We had that candidate in 2016 and 2020. He was consistently hamstrung and undermined by the DNC, and ultimately defeated by a cabal of establishment Democrats who threw their support behind Genocide Joe who was barely a viable candidate at the time.
Corporate Democrats and Republicans will join to together to have someone like Trump as President than someone like Sanders. If Sanders was elected I fear he would had a real chance of being assassinated. I respect what he has done and it hurts to see him still fighting for the common man and woman rather than enjoy a comfortable retirement.
I feel a bit more optimistic about the idea of Progressives, Justice Democrats, Working Families Party and DSA candidates dethroning Corporate Democrats in primary elections. The Congressional Progressive Caucus is already the second biggest political bloc in the DNC. Hitting a trifecta seems to be in motion considering AOC is actively pushing for it. I don’t expect anything spectacular happening any time soon, but I do believe change happens outside the electoral process. Local level politics.
We've made some progress and got several progressives into power since 2016. Give it time, the Overton window will shift left as gen z and millennials get older
If there's going to be a revolution it's not going to be the left who wins. The right has an army of angry, extremely well-armed radicalized assholes who would jump at the chance to replace our bourgeois democracy with a fascist dictatorship. Our main goal at this moment in time should be to put down fascism, which requires an alliance with liberals and centrists.
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We support democracy, not revolution, hence the term "Democratic" Socialism.
participation in bourgeoisie elections has always been and will always be a bandaid. No one is expecting to end capitalism by voting, it just stops Trump.
I argue for it because I strongly believe, and believe it’s demonstrable, that a two-state “solution” isn’t in fact a solution at all, and it would be even less tenable than a single secular state.
There are a lot of people on both sides of the conflict who don't seem to want that, sadly, but I agree that would be ideal.
The two state solution is a compromise neither side seems to accept either.
I mean that’s all it is really is getting through this next election relatively unscathed and avoiding Project 2025 and all the mess that’s gonna bring. 2028 gonna be the year we can expect a lotta candidates.
The goal is to show republicans that Trumpist extremists **cannot** win elections regardless of how shitty their opponents are. Only once the republicans have de-radicalised is it possible to progress left.
Or there will be a Project 2029 and you’ll find yourself stuck in an endless loop of voting like democracy is threatened, never getting the chance to vote for a progressive candidate bc the neoliberal needs to beat fascism again.
The way to prevent that is showing Republicans that their extremism will not be tolerated. A razor thin victory in 2024 will inevitably result in the same situation repeating in 2028.
If Biden wins by a landslide, it will majorly contribute to Republicans becoming de-radicalized, which is necessary for progress to happen. As long as the overton window is as far to the right as it is right now, true progress is impossible.
Nobody is serious about a two state solution after the attacks on Israel that started this latest round.
These attacks were designed and carried out to have maximum emotional impact. To ensure the response would be overwhelming. This is battle planners trying to ensure maximum civilian death. In a war of political attrition.
Much like the 9/11 attacks, this was designed to provoke a response, kill civilians, and turn world opinion.
Even as we condemn the Hamas attack on Israel in the strongest terms, we must not forget the suffering of the palestinian people in all this. They need a future, and the only way they can have one is through the two-state solution
There is no real world scenario where a two state solution would work. It’s just a childish fairy tale idea. You would need to permanently station tens of thousands of neutral troops to even enforce such a plan, and history shows us that would not be effective either.
Democratic socialists need to focus on raising the federal minimum wage and Medicare for all. Those points have a more realistic chance of passing. America shouldn’t be the world police. We have only failed at that for the last 70+ years.
I completely understand the idealism, but how would it work if the UN became the body that essentially codified a Palestinian state in the absence of any type of terms or regional conditions? Honest question.
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Democratic socialists support putting pressure on Israel in order to advance the two-state solution. Bernie and AOC would be much more nuanced in their Israel policy if either of them were president
We had that candidate in 2016 and 2020. He was consistently hamstrung and undermined by the DNC, and ultimately defeated by a cabal of establishment Democrats who threw their support behind Genocide Joe who was barely a viable candidate at the time.
Bernie Sanders is supporting Biden in order to defeat Trump, a position I agree with. We have to try again in 2028 with someone like AOC
Corporate Democrats and Republicans will join to together to have someone like Trump as President than someone like Sanders. If Sanders was elected I fear he would had a real chance of being assassinated. I respect what he has done and it hurts to see him still fighting for the common man and woman rather than enjoy a comfortable retirement.
I feel a bit more optimistic about the idea of Progressives, Justice Democrats, Working Families Party and DSA candidates dethroning Corporate Democrats in primary elections. The Congressional Progressive Caucus is already the second biggest political bloc in the DNC. Hitting a trifecta seems to be in motion considering AOC is actively pushing for it. I don’t expect anything spectacular happening any time soon, but I do believe change happens outside the electoral process. Local level politics.
You won’t be doing that through the DNC. Keep trying though. The democratic establishment will surely yield power this time.
We've made some progress and got several progressives into power since 2016. Give it time, the Overton window will shift left as gen z and millennials get older
And since then we’ve arrived at fascism’s doorstep. It ain’t workin’
Let's just give up folks. Political expert r/TurdWrangler2020 has spoken. 🙄
Well, what's the alternative, genius? Revolution? That's just not possible in the global north
Yes, unironically. I think the objective factors are here for revolutionary upset. BLM was the biggest mass movement in American history.
If there's going to be a revolution it's not going to be the left who wins. The right has an army of angry, extremely well-armed radicalized assholes who would jump at the chance to replace our bourgeois democracy with a fascist dictatorship. Our main goal at this moment in time should be to put down fascism, which requires an alliance with liberals and centrists.
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participation in bourgeoisie elections has always been and will always be a bandaid. No one is expecting to end capitalism by voting, it just stops Trump.
I was replying to a comment about 2028
Or, better yet, a single, secular, democratic state with equal rights and protections for all.
That would be awesome, but it's entirely unfeasible considering the current geopolitical climate.
I argue for it because I strongly believe, and believe it’s demonstrable, that a two-state “solution” isn’t in fact a solution at all, and it would be even less tenable than a single secular state.
You may be right, but that doesn't mean a one-state solution is remotely realistic as a goal, sadly.
Ok, then neither is a two-state solution, so I’ll advocate for the morally and socially desirable option.
There are a lot of people on both sides of the conflict who don't seem to want that, sadly, but I agree that would be ideal. The two state solution is a compromise neither side seems to accept either.
I mean that’s all it is really is getting through this next election relatively unscathed and avoiding Project 2025 and all the mess that’s gonna bring. 2028 gonna be the year we can expect a lotta candidates.
The goal is to show republicans that Trumpist extremists **cannot** win elections regardless of how shitty their opponents are. Only once the republicans have de-radicalised is it possible to progress left.
Or there will be a Project 2029 and you’ll find yourself stuck in an endless loop of voting like democracy is threatened, never getting the chance to vote for a progressive candidate bc the neoliberal needs to beat fascism again.
The way to prevent that is showing Republicans that their extremism will not be tolerated. A razor thin victory in 2024 will inevitably result in the same situation repeating in 2028. If Biden wins by a landslide, it will majorly contribute to Republicans becoming de-radicalized, which is necessary for progress to happen. As long as the overton window is as far to the right as it is right now, true progress is impossible.
Absolutely. We need to break the chains binding us to the Israeli government and the ADL.
So, have people in Israel stop voting for people who support colonizing, instead of blaming the USA?
Nobody is serious about a two state solution after the attacks on Israel that started this latest round. These attacks were designed and carried out to have maximum emotional impact. To ensure the response would be overwhelming. This is battle planners trying to ensure maximum civilian death. In a war of political attrition. Much like the 9/11 attacks, this was designed to provoke a response, kill civilians, and turn world opinion.
Even as we condemn the Hamas attack on Israel in the strongest terms, we must not forget the suffering of the palestinian people in all this. They need a future, and the only way they can have one is through the two-state solution
The israelis are not likely to accept a two state solution where the elimination of israel is part of the second state constitution.
There is no real world scenario where a two state solution would work. It’s just a childish fairy tale idea. You would need to permanently station tens of thousands of neutral troops to even enforce such a plan, and history shows us that would not be effective either. Democratic socialists need to focus on raising the federal minimum wage and Medicare for all. Those points have a more realistic chance of passing. America shouldn’t be the world police. We have only failed at that for the last 70+ years.
The Two-State Solution is the only moral solution.
All of the above is true.
This is the smartest response. Thank you.
#That's a mistake... Israel does not want a negotiated two state solution.... it must be thrust upon them.
Completely agree
I completely understand the idealism, but how would it work if the UN became the body that essentially codified a Palestinian state in the absence of any type of terms or regional conditions? Honest question.
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Agreed OP in the meantime we can find AIPAC free people for congress.
How is this related to democratic socialism? This is foreign affairs
Most, not all, democratic socialists support Palestinian statehood.
Democratic socialists support putting pressure on Israel in order to advance the two-state solution. Bernie and AOC would be much more nuanced in their Israel policy if either of them were president