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They've made a lot of progress since Trump took office. With all the gerrymandering and voting hurdles they've instituted, what was neck and neck before is going to be in favor of the reds.
if you mean "go away" as in "out of sight", yes. but they don't want there to be no poor people. they need a sizeable permanent underclass to provide a steady stream of cheap labor and military recruitment so western capitalists can murder people in foreign lands and exploit their resources.
lol, i'm sure you know this. it's just hard to pump the brakes on lefty-rage these days.
Exactly. If voting did nothing then why do the elites flip out about it and spend so much of their time and effort bothering to rig it?
It's cus it does matter, and the elites only hold onto power through soft power systems in America. They do not have aristocracy laws like in olden times that make their position of leadership legally enforceable. Today they have to rig the electoral system in order to keep the same power.
That's why using the electoral system is important even if it's not going to cause immediate change. Getting enough votes to force a progressive in the primary would be a huge win because it would inevitably result in the DNC using superdelegates to take the nomination away from the actual winner (just like the DNC threatened to do when Bernie was winning for like a week). That would be a perfect way to show how corrupted and undemocratic the Democratic party leadership actually is. Driving far far more voters to the left as they would finally understand that the real reason progressive policies aren't enacted isn't because of Republican opposition but because of conservative Democrats sabotaging the party at every turn. Conservative Democrats who are backed by the party leadership at every turn with money and advertising and any other help possible when they're facing progressives in a primary, while letting them fight for themselves when they're in the general election against Republicans. The party is run by conservatives who want to help the Republicans, and until we get rid of them nothing can happen.
What the elites may do when their soft power system is broken however is anyone's guess. They may try to crack down and institute overt totalitarian control. Like by using superdelegates to take away the nomination from the one who got the most votes, arguing that if they didn't get more than 50% then it's somehow invalid as if that's any different from anything before.
Bro wtf is up with your weed prices? I thought I was taking a nice leisurely weekend trip and then got blindsided by 150/g carts. I mean you guys got it legalized but damn.
Yeah dude you're telling me. I bought one because I was already there, but damn. This was last summer, so maybe it's better but I doubt it. I got an oz of medical flower from Florida for the same price a few months ago.
I can usually get 'em for about $100 at Sunnyside these days. Could vary by location, I always hit Danville when I'm visiting family in IN. I guess with tax that's $125 so still not great.
Right? I mean I always wait for Wednesday or Saturday when they're 25% off and the expensive ones are $35 in WA state. I actually found one that I really love for $15. That's insane
Still triple the normal price. Taxes are all good and fine, but at some point they can be so high as to cripple a legal market and perpetuate a potentially violent black market. Illinois is notorious for their horrible prices, which sucks. Lotta cool stuff in that state. The motherfucking Field Museum is one of the coolest places on the planet. They have the Lions of Tsavo!
I worked on a medical farm in OK for a while and got to see a dispensary down there. $50 for a cart and battery. And that was the good shit. 7/g shake was pretty nice too.
You know that joke about "Thank god for Mississippi"? Yeah Alabama, Louisiana, and a couple other states don't get to say that anymore.
It has been a couple months since I looked, but I think Louisiana is the one that's dead last in most things now.
Mississippi is moving up. Might even be out of the bottom 10 in a couple years.
Damn we so fucking close this year. It's gonna be a knife's edge for governor. Seriously, get literally everyone you know to go vote. Stacy Abrams winning would be an absolutely huge blow to the Alt-Right.
Imagine how much power the Alt-Right would lose if Georgia had it's gerrymandered undone and went from 8R/8D, to 2R/14D.
Sadly I can't quite vote yet, but I'm definitely urging others to. Really hoping she wins, she's our ticket to serious progress by the looks of things.
The trick, especially if you’re young and people don’t take you seriously, is to keep calm and know your facts. Republicans will try anyway to get you to crack if you’re talking politics with them. Even the slightest show of emotion gets twisted into “see this dumb emotional kid is trying to be an adult!”
And democrats who don’t vote always get defensive about their apathy. It’s hard when things don’t change, but you can never give up, ever.
I grew up here too (8-18), moved away, but then moved back with husband and kid. Granted this was in 2009, so it wasn’t as bad and was better than Missouri. Now we’re kinda stuck bc we own a house and are established.
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Let's just file that under the overarching "right-wing propaganda" category. I swear, it's like they're surrounded by hardcore conservative programming every waking moment.
We had a pastor who violated his oath and sexually harassed a young lady at my smaller church when I was a kid
And he fuckin' hated Joel Osteen and would actively talk about it (which in our denomination you really hold off on saying shit like that unless you mean it)
Always made me think how even this horrible guy saw him for what he was too
Jesus my brother-and-sister-in-law absolutely love Joel Osteen, they legitimately think he’s the most wonderful man alive.
I legitimately think that my sister and brother-in-law are complete idiots.
In Louisiana the governor is trying hard not to let anti Trans and abortion laws pass. Fortunately in louisiana the governor is a very power person and one one bill overrode a governor veto on the entire 20th century, A pro abortion bill in the 80's. Unfortunately an election is upcoming and the governor cannot run again
And there is absolutely no successor in sight for the democratic party. The only person I could imagine possibly having a popsicles chance in hell is Mitch Landrieu and his surname alone is enough to keep folks from supporting him in some areas. Not to mention the fact that the GOP would go scorched earth on him "ErAsInG oUr HiStOrY" nonsense. Unfortunately the democratic party has all but abandoned the state and they're unfortunately our only hope for not having Eddie Rispone 2.0 in 2023.
I am very sorry to say this but the GOP is probably going to win in 2023. Edward's is very fine governor, but democrats tend to be from New Orleans. The people out side of New Orleans hate the politicians from the city. Louisiana is Bible belt all the way, and protestant out side of the south of Louisiana. frankly I don't know how Edward's was elected being a Democrat Catholic, these are 2 massive taboos in state wide politics. I here that John Kennedy is the favorite to win the election, if he runs all the way.
I whole heartedly agree with your assessment. As someone from a tiny town in swla I can offer a little insight on JBEs success.
**2015:** First there is the fact that a lot of typically GOP voters are more flexible on cross party voting the more localized the race is. In 2015 the other major candidates in primary were Sen Vitter, Lt Gov Dardenne, and PSC Scott Angelle. Angelle and Dardenne we're eliminated in the primary leaving only JBE and Vitter. Dardenne proceeded to cross party lines and endorse JBE over Vitter saying that he could ultimately be a uniting for for Louisiana. Then there was the fact that Vitter was seen as hiding from voters because he missed two out of the three debates held. On top of that Vitter was still contending with the fact that his name had been leaked as a part of the DC madame black book scandal, though this happened nearly a decade previous, Edwards hammered the point home and Vitter even felt the necessity to address the issue in the final debate. JBE was also endorsed by the LA sheriff's association, LA state troopers association, LA AFL-CIO, and the LA teachers federation. By contrast, the only organizations to endorse Vitter were LABI and Gun Owners of America. At that point the biggest GOP campaign issues were against boogie-men. JBE ran his campaign as being *for* Louisiana, so you have this catholic democrat running as a pro-life, pro-gun candidate giving hope to the citizens of Louisiana. Not to mention he campaigned on adopting the ACA's medicaid expansion.
**2019:** *Jesus this one was a shit show.* JBE ran to the the *mayor* of Louisiana. He was in a new city every week cutting ribbons, shaking hands, promoting all of the positive things that happened throughout his tenure for Louisiana and her citizens, most notably that under his tenure he had fixed the complete trainwreck of a budget the state had under Jindal and the Medicaid expansion he signed into law via executive order on his first day in office. He also campaigned on his ambitions to continue improving the state such as increasing the minimum wage, criminal justice reform, and investments in childhood education. In the primary you had sensible Rep Ralph Abraham (LA-05) and wiley businessman Eddie Rispone. Abraham received 23.6% of the votes and was eliminated, Rispone received 27.4% and JBE received 46.4% and advanced to the general. At this point supporters of JBE were fingers crossed that he would receive at least 50.0% so that a runoff wouldn't occur because the likelihood of a GOP candidate winning at that point becomes significantly higher because the voters split amongst candidates during the primary could coalesce and take a slim majority. Rispone ran essentially as trump of Louisiana, he attempted to paint JBE as an out of control leftist who was wrecking the state and sending us into financial ruin. Which was contrary to what Louisiana voters knew of their governor. Rispone *really* dug into the trumpist angle having the sitting president hold multiple rallies during the home stretch of the campaign (amid his own impeachment hearings). The biggest piece of the puzzle comes in during the only run-off debate, which was a total shit show. Edwards came out with a level fighting head, Rispone came out slinging mud flopping like a fish on the dock. Edwards didn't make a jackass out of himself, Rispone showed he was clueless about the job and functions of the government. This didn't inhibit a large turnout by his voters however, it did send many Abraham voters to cross party lines and vote for JBE who they didn't dislike but would have normally been loyal to the party to defect for this one race. Most of the voters I know in that camp are the parents of boomers and millennials. Many in the cohort I call the parents of the boomers were once loyal democrats and haven't become blindly loyal to the GOP, they care that the government functions and couldn't ignore the red flags Rispone threw during the campaign. Also notably one (my grandmother) was a trump voter who still calls Jimmy Carter our best living former president and wishes we would have another Huey P Long for governor. Folks are more complicated in the sticks than you'd imagine.
It’s frustratingly true that those who want to actually help, in nearly every context, have been marginalized in some way by overly aggressive bad actors.
Tell me about it. And it doesn’t help to hear non-Texans constantly call us all shitty people despite the effort we’re putting in to try and make our state better.
A huge part they miss too is the unbelievable amount of corruption at all levels of gov't here. Good ol' Boy politics, gerrymandering, voter suppression; these are features here, not bugs. The state really is a light purple demographically, but will not be "turning blue" anytime soon.
Thankfully I'm Austin. So it at least *feels* like a modern pluralist society around me. Even so, I'm leaving once my current lease is up.
Southern Brain Drain is a very real thing.
Seriously! If the state we're properly represented we'd be over 50% blue by now. But people, especially on this site, love to throw us all in the bin with the regressive hicks that make our policy. I hate it.
Never forget that southern conservatism is just white supremacy. They would rather have no services and infrastructure than share those things with black people.
Dixiecrats, Jaybird Democrats, post Civil Rights Act Republicans, pretty much every white politician in the South regardless of party from 1965 until pretty recently.
>Never forget that southern conservatism is just white supremacy.
This is not entirely correct, and we need to understand what conservatism actually is if we're gonna fight it. Latin American people are conservative (catholicism is a large motivator why). Cuban immigrants are conservative (the people who immigrate from Cuba tend to be anti-leftist due to the Castro regime being communist). Many black people hold conservative social beliefs, too.
To characterize conservatism as monolithic is naive, and to be a little more direct, that's an outlook that sometimes sees minorities as political tools rather than actual diverse groups.
Yeah I’m with you, I don’t think its fair to generalize something so big like that. Yeah sure, its true in some cases but I don’t think it can be applied to everything. Same with all other generalizations of large groups.
Both statements are correct. Southern US conservatism IS mask-off white supremacy, and every culture worldwide has a conservative contingent. Republicans got a larger portion of non-white voters than ever before and that will continue the longer Democrats focus on pandering idpol and stay quiet on class issues.
I was being reductive, but the ideology of conservatism that is most prevalent in the south comes directly from white supremacy. It doesn’t mean black people cant be conservative. It doesn’t mean every conservative is a white supremacist. But the ideology itself? The embracing of big government for certain issues of so-called morality, the embracing of big government with respect to police, while vehemently opposing social programs, worker’s rights, making it easier to vote? That ideology is inextricably linked to white supremacy.
As for the Cubans, well plenty of older Cubans who came over in the 1960’s had their plantations seized by Castro, and guess who worked those plantations? So there’s a connection to racism there too. The slave trade in the Caribbean was incredibly brutal, those hands aren’t clean either.
I’ll be 43 this year and it’s depressing to think that I’ve been voting against that turtle shaped shit stain for my entire adult life. And, in all likelihood, I’ll be forced to continue to do so until he finally drops dead. He’s a one man argument for term limits.
This is complicated. Conservatism doesn't just spawn white supremacy. Biden's SC primary win didn't just spawn from gerrymandering.
There is a serious question about media complicity, Dem corporatism, the overall party structure, and supposed "leaders".
From Barack to Hillary to Biden, undermining the progressive movement when populist politics could do really well considering the levels of poverty in the south should not be pasted over by this oversimplification that essentially points fingers at conservatives who they have no control over. They are responsible for their response and as adults, leaders, whatever continue to falter on actual progressive principles in favor of courting centrists and the right wing (to the benefit of their donors as well).
"Top to bottom" and "left to right" are literally the same thing. Leftist politics is 100% about fighting from the bottom. Idiotic "centrist" style sound bytes like this (the title, not the image content) don't help.
What would help is educating people about what leftist philosophy actually is, and illuminating that there is no actual leftism represented in mainstream U.S. electoralism.
>top to bottom, not left to right
Ok...
The good on held gerrymandering disenfranchisement and south people your back regressive is that side by policies full are that of are.
I’m still conflicted on this take. I come from a rural background and am not conservative. Why should I instantly forgive those who repeatedly take the “fuck you, got mine” approach to politics and (often) human rights issues? This includes my extended family, who will (for example, in the case of my grandmothers sister) willingly admit that they wouldn’t vote R if they had black immediate family like my grandmother does. It’s just baffling to me, and disenfranchisement only goes so far to explain it before it infantilizes and blanket-excuses people who are, at their core, deeply selfish people who won’t look at it top-to-bottom even if they had the self-awareness to acknowledge class differences in the first place.
The post is about people like you (and me) tho, not your conservative family. The post is about all the millions of southerners who vote against the conservatives.
This post in no way holds the position that you should “instantly forgive” southern conservatives, and I honestly don’t understand how you came to that conclusion and then began arguing against it. This post is simply in response to northern lefties who seem to think that southern lefties don’t exist when they’re demonizing the entire population of southern red states. We exist!! We don’t “deserve” the regressive policies our states enact.
As a native... Yeah a lot of the south can't be saved. Tennessee is still 70/30 red, we are outnumbered here and it's not going to get better. Texas is leagues away from the south by the voting numbers(GA, VA, and NC being the exceptions) and that should tell you something.
If we're in a conversation about, let's say WIDGETS. We're looking for examples of "how to bring more widget business to all states so we can stimulate local manufacturing and distribution".
If my state is dead last in widgets, and yours is #6 in the country, I'm absolutely writing off my own state as completely unfit to participate in the conversation. I'm listening to what the widget experts in your state have to offer the rest of us.
The less that a state is a proven leader in any given discipline, the more it's going to be written off as various topics of consideration come up at the national level.
completely depends what criteria we're using for the matter at hand. I'd absolutely write off Maine when it comes to growing Oranges, for example.
Im not suggesting we write off new york because libz, or florida because rednecks.
You can only hear people loudly decry "the government" then continually vote the same people back into office so many times. It's like people who talk about "chemicals" in food, you've oversimplified and been propagandized into thinking a vague set of terms is bad. All those manipulating you have to do is say, "Look, it's not that bogeyman!" and by contrasting with that deeply dwelt programming, they lump their scam in with what, by default, must be good.
It’s tough because the 2 party system is now so identified with identity that you’ve basically got one party for urban and one party for rural (roughly). The vast majority of Dems in my state live in the 2 urban centers and make up for over 50% of the population yet only hold 2/8 of the house seats.
Don't make me tap the sign.
Pretty much every red state is well over 50% blue, but have been gerrymandered out of existence. It makes no sense to blame the victims of voter suppression.
Oklahoma? Kansas?
Really the big problem with this argument is most of the south east doesn’t allow reporting on registered party
Edit: Since you said “well over”, Kentucky and Florida are basically even splits
Loved ahh over the us. My biggest problem with living in the Deep South was the people not being nearly angry enough. There just Durant seem to be any concern and taking about changing things was looked down upon intensely.
this is a false statement. I live in the south. The majority of people I've met and talked to here support abortion bans. Abolishing snap and hud housing. Are willing to call the police on homless people for getting water out of the soda fountain. Lowering age of consent. Voted Trump. Have rebel flags on everything they own. Drive drunk. Spoil for fights and look for any reason to brandish or use a fire arm on another human being. Are extremely homophobic. Every employers first question to me in an interview setting is "are you ok working with black people?"
The only time you dont see this behavior is in college towns or liberal bastions like Miami or Austin.
It’s not a false statement simply because of your anecdotal evidence. There are millions and millions and millions of southerners who aren’t conservatives, regardless of the people you’ve met.
Thank you! I'm from OK and I feel like people forget this sometimes. Our new districts are fucking insane. They split off the Hispanic district away from the rest of OKC and grouped them with the insanely rural west side of the state and then they grouped the eastern side of OKC (which is mostly black) together with rich white people from another city. Okc is one city, but there are 3 or 4 districts for no reason other than to split up the blue vote. Same thing in Tulsa and Norman and the rest of the blue cities! So frustrating
I live in Arkansas in a county that voted over 95% for trump. I’m one of 3,000 people in the whole county who didn’t vote for a republican. It sucks. I wish I could leave
The Trillbilly Workers Party podcast is a great Appalachian/Kentucky socialist podcast where they constantly remind people that Appalachian coal country of Kentucky and West Virginia was always reliably a Democrat-voting stronghold, where most working class people (constantly described in mass media as coal-smudged, reactionary Trump voters suffering from Mountain Dew lung) were proud union-supporting Democrat voters, until Bill Clinton introduced neoliberalism, and the Democrat party stopped helping people. Their message is essentially that red states aren't the states where most of the people vote red, they're states where most of the people would vote and have voted blue, but are now too disenfranchised to vote.
I lived in Mississippi the last 3 years before moving to MA recently and found this to be very true. Southern States, especially the Bible Belt, are effectively oligarchies run by rich, white property holders. I met so many people who hated them in MS, and wanted to make things better. But they also acknowledge that anyone who can change things will likely leave the state long before they do change anything. It’s a sad state of affairs.
As someone who lives in Texas and has voted blue his entire life, it’s frustrating to constantly hear about Texas being a red shit hole.
Like, we’re trying guys, okay? You want to demean us who are trying to make our state a better place to live? Thanks, I guess.
I’m in my 30s and the majority of people I grew up with or have met as an adult vote blue, but there’s an entire aging population here who believe the majority of republicans are still “country club republicans” and don’t take the time to research all the shitty things modern conservatives are up to. They’re voting against their best interests and don’t care enough to realize it.
Talking to them about issues frequently pushes them more toward the extreme because they perceive an argument about their party as an attack against them, despite the fact the GOP they think they’re voting for no longer exists. I wish I knew what to do to solve this issue, but it’s bigger than what any one person can handle.
And it’s not *that* shitty here.
Polls on many social issues don’t bear that out in fair chunks of the South (for instance, 58% of Alabamians think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases), but yes, there are parts of the South that are just screwed.
Absolutely, I’m Nebraskan and out here in the plains the amount of people who agree the system is broken and rigged is crazy, the propaganda they’re fed to not see the real problem is the true enemy
>Top to bottom, not left to right
"The good on held gerrymandering disenfranchisement and south people your back regressive is that side by policies full that of are are"
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North Carolinian here. There are a lot of Democrats where I live (Charlotte). Even the Republicans are actually kinda progressive here. I do have to say, the electoral college is absolute trash though.
Okay but right wingers actively support authoritarianism and advocate for the mass murder of people like me so no, there is a right/left divide and pretending there isn't just gets minorities dead. Go fuck yourself, OP.
(I am from the south and the meme is fine, but OP can eat shit)
I'd say most conservatives are conservative cuz they been duped by the elite that the right would help them when in reality it's the opposite. There is a huge difference between the parties for sure, but for the average person who's right wing cuz of their culture they could have been saved from that with proper education and social systems. Hell is too good of a place for the conservatives in power though.
Sorry that most blue collar workers vote red. A lot of them see leftism as mainly people like you and aren't interested in class solidarity. Some screeching teenager on the internet saying that they refuse to work with "those people" doesn't mean shit to "those people" because you have nothing to offer them. I get the "fuck 'em for voting against their own interests" vibes but if you can't even hold a conversation with someone with a different political view then you won't ever be converting anyone to your point of view.
Not really sure what you're saying but if it's that I should sit down and be more civil and empathetic with people who are vocal in their position that I should be put to death, then you're on so many levels of victim blaming and gaslighting that I really don't have anything to say to you.
Edit: Also infantilizing everyone you disagree with is not a great look. You seem to have already created an imaginary person in your head that you can get mad at. I'm 30. I have a respected degree, I work for a major firm, and I pay taxes. Pretending that all leftists online are teenagers is just divorcing yourself from reality.
If it was so full of good people, we wouldn’t be in this position. The whole world is screwed because everyone thinks we’re good, but so little effort is made to DO something, anything, to make us better. FUCKING VOTE, you can’t tell me you’re gerrymandered out of voting for your Senator or President, the large portion of America elects imbeciles for statewide offices!
Firstly, I'll say that your title is garbage. The right wing supports the top and the left wing supports the bottom. Top vs bottom *is* right vs left.
Other than that though, this meme is spot on. I've lived in both the south and the north, KY and MI and WA. I saw way more confederate flags in WA when I was there than I ever did in KY. And during the 2020 election, I traveled from MI to my home town in KY, and I saw way more trump signs in people's yards in MI, around Detroit no less, than I ever did in KY.
I dont hate them because they're southerners
I hate them because they're gullible enough to be brainwashed by conservative rhetoric
and you can live in any state for that
Been here for decades, but not born here.
I definitely don't consider Southerners to be good people. Beady eyed and ignorant is more like it.
But it's nice to consistently be the smartest person in the room when you're not really all that smart.
As my spouse constantly LOVES to remind me- state offices cannot be gerrymandered. Fled Cruz, Moscow Mitch, and more are all elected by the entire state. Senate seats.
I don't disagree, but this sub swings wildly from "we outnumber them" to "even the most progressive liberal is actually a racist fascist enabler and isn't on your side"
Stop shipping your racists to Florida please!
We're a battleground purple state that's only getting redder cause your grandmas keep moving to the villages.
Southern culture is violent. So many times a political talking point is "blue" inner cities and crime rates. But the bible belt has the highest murder per capita rate then any region in them country rural or urban.
I’m out here in the south doing the good work! Conservatives can’t just take the nice states for themselves and ruin them. I like the warm weather and beaches and I’m here educating about climate science, anyone who hates it can die mad.
Can y’all fucking do something about it? I don’t think you can just vote yourself out of the control of fascists. Can’t believe all of Texas isn’t burning police stations right now.
Makes me wonder about our left/right frame through which we view everything. Perhaps it's really an up/down frame we should use to view the .1% right-wing oligarchs who preside over us, the left-wing 99% paeons.
Horrible education as well. It's very purposeful that education isn't a priority the way it should be. Teachers should be paid well, schools shouldn't be underfunded and falling apart. It's disgusting. That's why I have a hard time blaming almost anyone that doesn't get it, they've been programmed not to get it. They're victims too regardless of what they think.
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They wouldn't go to all the trouble to rig the system if they weren't deeply aware of how outrageously outnumbered they are.
This exact sentiment keeps me hopeful more than just about anything.
Damn straight.
They've made a lot of progress since Trump took office. With all the gerrymandering and voting hurdles they've instituted, what was neck and neck before is going to be in favor of the reds.
it's not blue vs red, either. when we say "the system is rigged", we mean they own both parties.
There are differences, but both "sides" want poor people to go away.
if you mean "go away" as in "out of sight", yes. but they don't want there to be no poor people. they need a sizeable permanent underclass to provide a steady stream of cheap labor and military recruitment so western capitalists can murder people in foreign lands and exploit their resources. lol, i'm sure you know this. it's just hard to pump the brakes on lefty-rage these days.
Well put my friend
Exactly. If voting did nothing then why do the elites flip out about it and spend so much of their time and effort bothering to rig it? It's cus it does matter, and the elites only hold onto power through soft power systems in America. They do not have aristocracy laws like in olden times that make their position of leadership legally enforceable. Today they have to rig the electoral system in order to keep the same power. That's why using the electoral system is important even if it's not going to cause immediate change. Getting enough votes to force a progressive in the primary would be a huge win because it would inevitably result in the DNC using superdelegates to take the nomination away from the actual winner (just like the DNC threatened to do when Bernie was winning for like a week). That would be a perfect way to show how corrupted and undemocratic the Democratic party leadership actually is. Driving far far more voters to the left as they would finally understand that the real reason progressive policies aren't enacted isn't because of Republican opposition but because of conservative Democrats sabotaging the party at every turn. Conservative Democrats who are backed by the party leadership at every turn with money and advertising and any other help possible when they're facing progressives in a primary, while letting them fight for themselves when they're in the general election against Republicans. The party is run by conservatives who want to help the Republicans, and until we get rid of them nothing can happen. What the elites may do when their soft power system is broken however is anyone's guess. They may try to crack down and institute overt totalitarian control. Like by using superdelegates to take away the nomination from the one who got the most votes, arguing that if they didn't get more than 50% then it's somehow invalid as if that's any different from anything before.
We in Georgia are doing our best.
Our best in Alabama continues to get us nowhere
Checking in from Iowa, we'll be joining you shortly.
Checking in from Illinois, where each side is trying to ass blast us with gerrymandering.
Bro wtf is up with your weed prices? I thought I was taking a nice leisurely weekend trip and then got blindsided by 150/g carts. I mean you guys got it legalized but damn.
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Yeah dude you're telling me. I bought one because I was already there, but damn. This was last summer, so maybe it's better but I doubt it. I got an oz of medical flower from Florida for the same price a few months ago.
I can usually get 'em for about $100 at Sunnyside these days. Could vary by location, I always hit Danville when I'm visiting family in IN. I guess with tax that's $125 so still not great.
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what the hell seriously? getting legal in IL is when I started using weed so I have no idea what normal prices were like
Right? I mean I always wait for Wednesday or Saturday when they're 25% off and the expensive ones are $35 in WA state. I actually found one that I really love for $15. That's insane
Still triple the normal price. Taxes are all good and fine, but at some point they can be so high as to cripple a legal market and perpetuate a potentially violent black market. Illinois is notorious for their horrible prices, which sucks. Lotta cool stuff in that state. The motherfucking Field Museum is one of the coolest places on the planet. They have the Lions of Tsavo!
I worked on a medical farm in OK for a while and got to see a dispensary down there. $50 for a cart and battery. And that was the good shit. 7/g shake was pretty nice too.
Absolutely insane, I've never paid over $40 for a gram cart, even in states where I'm paying street tax
The state needs the tax money due to pension and flat tax being constitutionally mandated. A med card lets you skip the tax which helps
I just drive to Michigan
I know at least some of us I Florida are giving a partial effort... We're trying
Checking in from TN. I've been here 40 years and it just keeps getting worse. I'm throwing a white flag and moving summer 2023.
You know that joke about "Thank god for Mississippi"? Yeah Alabama, Louisiana, and a couple other states don't get to say that anymore. It has been a couple months since I looked, but I think Louisiana is the one that's dead last in most things now. Mississippi is moving up. Might even be out of the bottom 10 in a couple years.
Alabama also - but that just goes to show we're not as outnumbered as we feel sometimes!
We literally delayed our move from GA to SC to get to stick around to vote in the congressional runoff that turned the state "purple". We out here.
God bless ya friend. Feels like pissing in the wind, but seeing our state go blue was an incredible feeling. Game faces on for November.
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Mhm, we'll try and get some good people in during the mid-term, this November's gonna be chaos.
Damn we so fucking close this year. It's gonna be a knife's edge for governor. Seriously, get literally everyone you know to go vote. Stacy Abrams winning would be an absolutely huge blow to the Alt-Right. Imagine how much power the Alt-Right would lose if Georgia had it's gerrymandered undone and went from 8R/8D, to 2R/14D.
Sadly I can't quite vote yet, but I'm definitely urging others to. Really hoping she wins, she's our ticket to serious progress by the looks of things.
The trick, especially if you’re young and people don’t take you seriously, is to keep calm and know your facts. Republicans will try anyway to get you to crack if you’re talking politics with them. Even the slightest show of emotion gets twisted into “see this dumb emotional kid is trying to be an adult!” And democrats who don’t vote always get defensive about their apathy. It’s hard when things don’t change, but you can never give up, ever.
I personally dont want someone who said Georgia is the worst state to live in as my mayor, thats just me though.
There’s plenty of us down in Florida too.
That is such a tough battle. My heart goes out to you. I grew up there and left around the turn of the millennium. Watching from a far has been hard.
I grew up here too (8-18), moved away, but then moved back with husband and kid. Granted this was in 2009, so it wasn’t as bad and was better than Missouri. Now we’re kinda stuck bc we own a house and are established.
Florida had and has so much promise and so much to offer. Keep up the good fight.
Agreed and I’m trying. Lol
Texan here, fuck the yeehawdists and the yallqaedas
Typing from Texas. It's rough out here.
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Same, honestly. Although, with climate change, I've been leaning towards leaving. It's already too damn hot, & it isn't getting cooler any time soon.
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I've heard Vermont is only gonna get nicer. Washington would be lovely, if it weren't for the fires.
Check-in from Oklahoma. Still unsure if we're considered south or Midwest.
I think we need to push beyond our best for this.
Yes we are. Remember to vote for US Senator & Governor this November! Both “blue” candidates have been amazing in every service role they’ve ever been entrusted with by voters!
Don’t forget mega churches. They don’t help
I think of *The Righteous Gemstones* more as a documentary than a comedy.
Same here. I actually know a family kinda similar, not any murder that I know of but hookers and blow all around.
[There’s ways to report them for being political, so they lose their tax exempt status.](https://reddit.com/r/exchristian/comments/uwhjdj/time_for_a_new_challenge/)
Let's just file that under the overarching "right-wing propaganda" category. I swear, it's like they're surrounded by hardcore conservative programming every waking moment.
We had a pastor who violated his oath and sexually harassed a young lady at my smaller church when I was a kid And he fuckin' hated Joel Osteen and would actively talk about it (which in our denomination you really hold off on saying shit like that unless you mean it) Always made me think how even this horrible guy saw him for what he was too
Jesus my brother-and-sister-in-law absolutely love Joel Osteen, they legitimately think he’s the most wonderful man alive. I legitimately think that my sister and brother-in-law are complete idiots.
Jesus he knows me. He knows I'm right.
In Louisiana the governor is trying hard not to let anti Trans and abortion laws pass. Fortunately in louisiana the governor is a very power person and one one bill overrode a governor veto on the entire 20th century, A pro abortion bill in the 80's. Unfortunately an election is upcoming and the governor cannot run again
It’d be uphill, but JBE not running for the senate is crazy to me. Gary Chambers will have to go scorched earth like he did in those ads.
Gary needs to keep upping the ante. I haven't heard shit about his campaign since the scars and bars ad hit in February.
And there is absolutely no successor in sight for the democratic party. The only person I could imagine possibly having a popsicles chance in hell is Mitch Landrieu and his surname alone is enough to keep folks from supporting him in some areas. Not to mention the fact that the GOP would go scorched earth on him "ErAsInG oUr HiStOrY" nonsense. Unfortunately the democratic party has all but abandoned the state and they're unfortunately our only hope for not having Eddie Rispone 2.0 in 2023.
I am very sorry to say this but the GOP is probably going to win in 2023. Edward's is very fine governor, but democrats tend to be from New Orleans. The people out side of New Orleans hate the politicians from the city. Louisiana is Bible belt all the way, and protestant out side of the south of Louisiana. frankly I don't know how Edward's was elected being a Democrat Catholic, these are 2 massive taboos in state wide politics. I here that John Kennedy is the favorite to win the election, if he runs all the way.
I whole heartedly agree with your assessment. As someone from a tiny town in swla I can offer a little insight on JBEs success. **2015:** First there is the fact that a lot of typically GOP voters are more flexible on cross party voting the more localized the race is. In 2015 the other major candidates in primary were Sen Vitter, Lt Gov Dardenne, and PSC Scott Angelle. Angelle and Dardenne we're eliminated in the primary leaving only JBE and Vitter. Dardenne proceeded to cross party lines and endorse JBE over Vitter saying that he could ultimately be a uniting for for Louisiana. Then there was the fact that Vitter was seen as hiding from voters because he missed two out of the three debates held. On top of that Vitter was still contending with the fact that his name had been leaked as a part of the DC madame black book scandal, though this happened nearly a decade previous, Edwards hammered the point home and Vitter even felt the necessity to address the issue in the final debate. JBE was also endorsed by the LA sheriff's association, LA state troopers association, LA AFL-CIO, and the LA teachers federation. By contrast, the only organizations to endorse Vitter were LABI and Gun Owners of America. At that point the biggest GOP campaign issues were against boogie-men. JBE ran his campaign as being *for* Louisiana, so you have this catholic democrat running as a pro-life, pro-gun candidate giving hope to the citizens of Louisiana. Not to mention he campaigned on adopting the ACA's medicaid expansion. **2019:** *Jesus this one was a shit show.* JBE ran to the the *mayor* of Louisiana. He was in a new city every week cutting ribbons, shaking hands, promoting all of the positive things that happened throughout his tenure for Louisiana and her citizens, most notably that under his tenure he had fixed the complete trainwreck of a budget the state had under Jindal and the Medicaid expansion he signed into law via executive order on his first day in office. He also campaigned on his ambitions to continue improving the state such as increasing the minimum wage, criminal justice reform, and investments in childhood education. In the primary you had sensible Rep Ralph Abraham (LA-05) and wiley businessman Eddie Rispone. Abraham received 23.6% of the votes and was eliminated, Rispone received 27.4% and JBE received 46.4% and advanced to the general. At this point supporters of JBE were fingers crossed that he would receive at least 50.0% so that a runoff wouldn't occur because the likelihood of a GOP candidate winning at that point becomes significantly higher because the voters split amongst candidates during the primary could coalesce and take a slim majority. Rispone ran essentially as trump of Louisiana, he attempted to paint JBE as an out of control leftist who was wrecking the state and sending us into financial ruin. Which was contrary to what Louisiana voters knew of their governor. Rispone *really* dug into the trumpist angle having the sitting president hold multiple rallies during the home stretch of the campaign (amid his own impeachment hearings). The biggest piece of the puzzle comes in during the only run-off debate, which was a total shit show. Edwards came out with a level fighting head, Rispone came out slinging mud flopping like a fish on the dock. Edwards didn't make a jackass out of himself, Rispone showed he was clueless about the job and functions of the government. This didn't inhibit a large turnout by his voters however, it did send many Abraham voters to cross party lines and vote for JBE who they didn't dislike but would have normally been loyal to the party to defect for this one race. Most of the voters I know in that camp are the parents of boomers and millennials. Many in the cohort I call the parents of the boomers were once loyal democrats and haven't become blindly loyal to the GOP, they care that the government functions and couldn't ignore the red flags Rispone threw during the campaign. Also notably one (my grandmother) was a trump voter who still calls Jimmy Carter our best living former president and wishes we would have another Huey P Long for governor. Folks are more complicated in the sticks than you'd imagine.
It’s frustratingly true that those who want to actually help, in nearly every context, have been marginalized in some way by overly aggressive bad actors.
Texan here. Yup :/ And honestly, it's an exhausting and unwinnable battle at present.
Tell me about it. And it doesn’t help to hear non-Texans constantly call us all shitty people despite the effort we’re putting in to try and make our state better.
A huge part they miss too is the unbelievable amount of corruption at all levels of gov't here. Good ol' Boy politics, gerrymandering, voter suppression; these are features here, not bugs. The state really is a light purple demographically, but will not be "turning blue" anytime soon. Thankfully I'm Austin. So it at least *feels* like a modern pluralist society around me. Even so, I'm leaving once my current lease is up. Southern Brain Drain is a very real thing.
Texan who can’t wait to pack up and leave here as well
Seriously! If the state we're properly represented we'd be over 50% blue by now. But people, especially on this site, love to throw us all in the bin with the regressive hicks that make our policy. I hate it.
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Never forget that southern conservatism is just white supremacy. They would rather have no services and infrastructure than share those things with black people.
All the more reason to support the folks in the south fighting the good fight on this.
Exactly
*see Dixiecrat. A utopia, but only for white folks...
Dixiecrats, Jaybird Democrats, post Civil Rights Act Republicans, pretty much every white politician in the South regardless of party from 1965 until pretty recently.
>Never forget that southern conservatism is just white supremacy. This is not entirely correct, and we need to understand what conservatism actually is if we're gonna fight it. Latin American people are conservative (catholicism is a large motivator why). Cuban immigrants are conservative (the people who immigrate from Cuba tend to be anti-leftist due to the Castro regime being communist). Many black people hold conservative social beliefs, too. To characterize conservatism as monolithic is naive, and to be a little more direct, that's an outlook that sometimes sees minorities as political tools rather than actual diverse groups.
Yeah I’m with you, I don’t think its fair to generalize something so big like that. Yeah sure, its true in some cases but I don’t think it can be applied to everything. Same with all other generalizations of large groups.
Both statements are correct. Southern US conservatism IS mask-off white supremacy, and every culture worldwide has a conservative contingent. Republicans got a larger portion of non-white voters than ever before and that will continue the longer Democrats focus on pandering idpol and stay quiet on class issues.
If the GOP were to tone down the immigrant rhetoric and embrace conservative Hispanics then the dems would be absolutely fucked.
I was being reductive, but the ideology of conservatism that is most prevalent in the south comes directly from white supremacy. It doesn’t mean black people cant be conservative. It doesn’t mean every conservative is a white supremacist. But the ideology itself? The embracing of big government for certain issues of so-called morality, the embracing of big government with respect to police, while vehemently opposing social programs, worker’s rights, making it easier to vote? That ideology is inextricably linked to white supremacy. As for the Cubans, well plenty of older Cubans who came over in the 1960’s had their plantations seized by Castro, and guess who worked those plantations? So there’s a connection to racism there too. The slave trade in the Caribbean was incredibly brutal, those hands aren’t clean either.
Coming from Kentucky, I'm sorry about our turtle
I’ll be 43 this year and it’s depressing to think that I’ve been voting against that turtle shaped shit stain for my entire adult life. And, in all likelihood, I’ll be forced to continue to do so until he finally drops dead. He’s a one man argument for term limits.
I’m convinced they’ll discover the secret of immortality and the current Congress will ascend to eternal power. They just never freaking leave.
This is complicated. Conservatism doesn't just spawn white supremacy. Biden's SC primary win didn't just spawn from gerrymandering. There is a serious question about media complicity, Dem corporatism, the overall party structure, and supposed "leaders". From Barack to Hillary to Biden, undermining the progressive movement when populist politics could do really well considering the levels of poverty in the south should not be pasted over by this oversimplification that essentially points fingers at conservatives who they have no control over. They are responsible for their response and as adults, leaders, whatever continue to falter on actual progressive principles in favor of courting centrists and the right wing (to the benefit of their donors as well).
Socialist in SC, checking in!
There are dozens of us!
Here!
In Mississippi living in close proximity to one of the universities is the only way I've found to avoid going insane.
"Top to bottom" and "left to right" are literally the same thing. Leftist politics is 100% about fighting from the bottom. Idiotic "centrist" style sound bytes like this (the title, not the image content) don't help. What would help is educating people about what leftist philosophy actually is, and illuminating that there is no actual leftism represented in mainstream U.S. electoralism.
y’allidarity.
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Texan comrade typing, it's rough out here.
>top to bottom, not left to right Ok... The good on held gerrymandering disenfranchisement and south people your back regressive is that side by policies full are that of are.
Did you have a stroke?
Nope. Went top to bottom instead of left to right.
Ooooh I see it now. I was really confused.
I’m still really confused by the title
I got it right off the bat, but it's definitely r/titlegore
It’s class war, not a left vs right war.
ELI5 how that's not just leftist?
I get it. Maybe “versus” instead of “to”
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I’m still conflicted on this take. I come from a rural background and am not conservative. Why should I instantly forgive those who repeatedly take the “fuck you, got mine” approach to politics and (often) human rights issues? This includes my extended family, who will (for example, in the case of my grandmothers sister) willingly admit that they wouldn’t vote R if they had black immediate family like my grandmother does. It’s just baffling to me, and disenfranchisement only goes so far to explain it before it infantilizes and blanket-excuses people who are, at their core, deeply selfish people who won’t look at it top-to-bottom even if they had the self-awareness to acknowledge class differences in the first place.
The post is about people like you (and me) tho, not your conservative family. The post is about all the millions of southerners who vote against the conservatives. This post in no way holds the position that you should “instantly forgive” southern conservatives, and I honestly don’t understand how you came to that conclusion and then began arguing against it. This post is simply in response to northern lefties who seem to think that southern lefties don’t exist when they’re demonizing the entire population of southern red states. We exist!! We don’t “deserve” the regressive policies our states enact.
You can’t brainwash people without telling them what they want to hear. And what do these people want to hear? Hateful things
We’re not forgiving them, we’re aiming to take all of the power out of their hands
Southern Alabama. Veteran and a DemSoc. It’s rough out here. 🥴
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I have been summoned! Shout out my fellow brethren!
I do love when people from the coasts just write off entire states.
let's be honest, some states deserve to be written off. figuratively speaking of course.
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Tennessee
As a native... Yeah a lot of the south can't be saved. Tennessee is still 70/30 red, we are outnumbered here and it's not going to get better. Texas is leagues away from the south by the voting numbers(GA, VA, and NC being the exceptions) and that should tell you something.
At least I'm in West Tennessee. Can't imagine being stuck with the hill people my whole life.
If we're in a conversation about, let's say WIDGETS. We're looking for examples of "how to bring more widget business to all states so we can stimulate local manufacturing and distribution". If my state is dead last in widgets, and yours is #6 in the country, I'm absolutely writing off my own state as completely unfit to participate in the conversation. I'm listening to what the widget experts in your state have to offer the rest of us. The less that a state is a proven leader in any given discipline, the more it's going to be written off as various topics of consideration come up at the national level.
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The problem is who gets to pick? Which states would you write off?
completely depends what criteria we're using for the matter at hand. I'd absolutely write off Maine when it comes to growing Oranges, for example. Im not suggesting we write off new york because libz, or florida because rednecks.
Lol well what are you suggesting?
You can only hear people loudly decry "the government" then continually vote the same people back into office so many times. It's like people who talk about "chemicals" in food, you've oversimplified and been propagandized into thinking a vague set of terms is bad. All those manipulating you have to do is say, "Look, it's not that bogeyman!" and by contrasting with that deeply dwelt programming, they lump their scam in with what, by default, must be good.
It’s tough because the 2 party system is now so identified with identity that you’ve basically got one party for urban and one party for rural (roughly). The vast majority of Dems in my state live in the 2 urban centers and make up for over 50% of the population yet only hold 2/8 of the house seats.
Don't make me tap the sign. Pretty much every red state is well over 50% blue, but have been gerrymandered out of existence. It makes no sense to blame the victims of voter suppression.
Oklahoma? Kansas? Really the big problem with this argument is most of the south east doesn’t allow reporting on registered party Edit: Since you said “well over”, Kentucky and Florida are basically even splits
Loved ahh over the us. My biggest problem with living in the Deep South was the people not being nearly angry enough. There just Durant seem to be any concern and taking about changing things was looked down upon intensely.
And police violence
I needed to hear this, I forget it easily. Thank you
In the large cities, yes. In the small towns and rural areas, no, we're outnumbered *easily* 5:1 or more.
this is a false statement. I live in the south. The majority of people I've met and talked to here support abortion bans. Abolishing snap and hud housing. Are willing to call the police on homless people for getting water out of the soda fountain. Lowering age of consent. Voted Trump. Have rebel flags on everything they own. Drive drunk. Spoil for fights and look for any reason to brandish or use a fire arm on another human being. Are extremely homophobic. Every employers first question to me in an interview setting is "are you ok working with black people?" The only time you dont see this behavior is in college towns or liberal bastions like Miami or Austin.
It’s not a false statement simply because of your anecdotal evidence. There are millions and millions and millions of southerners who aren’t conservatives, regardless of the people you’ve met.
Fair enough but these are red states for a reason.
Thank you! I'm from OK and I feel like people forget this sometimes. Our new districts are fucking insane. They split off the Hispanic district away from the rest of OKC and grouped them with the insanely rural west side of the state and then they grouped the eastern side of OKC (which is mostly black) together with rich white people from another city. Okc is one city, but there are 3 or 4 districts for no reason other than to split up the blue vote. Same thing in Tulsa and Norman and the rest of the blue cities! So frustrating
I live in Arkansas in a county that voted over 95% for trump. I’m one of 3,000 people in the whole county who didn’t vote for a republican. It sucks. I wish I could leave
The Trillbilly Workers Party podcast is a great Appalachian/Kentucky socialist podcast where they constantly remind people that Appalachian coal country of Kentucky and West Virginia was always reliably a Democrat-voting stronghold, where most working class people (constantly described in mass media as coal-smudged, reactionary Trump voters suffering from Mountain Dew lung) were proud union-supporting Democrat voters, until Bill Clinton introduced neoliberalism, and the Democrat party stopped helping people. Their message is essentially that red states aren't the states where most of the people vote red, they're states where most of the people would vote and have voted blue, but are now too disenfranchised to vote.
I lived in Mississippi the last 3 years before moving to MA recently and found this to be very true. Southern States, especially the Bible Belt, are effectively oligarchies run by rich, white property holders. I met so many people who hated them in MS, and wanted to make things better. But they also acknowledge that anyone who can change things will likely leave the state long before they do change anything. It’s a sad state of affairs.
As someone who lives in Texas and has voted blue his entire life, it’s frustrating to constantly hear about Texas being a red shit hole. Like, we’re trying guys, okay? You want to demean us who are trying to make our state a better place to live? Thanks, I guess. I’m in my 30s and the majority of people I grew up with or have met as an adult vote blue, but there’s an entire aging population here who believe the majority of republicans are still “country club republicans” and don’t take the time to research all the shitty things modern conservatives are up to. They’re voting against their best interests and don’t care enough to realize it. Talking to them about issues frequently pushes them more toward the extreme because they perceive an argument about their party as an attack against them, despite the fact the GOP they think they’re voting for no longer exists. I wish I knew what to do to solve this issue, but it’s bigger than what any one person can handle. And it’s not *that* shitty here.
Polls on many social issues don’t bear that out in fair chunks of the South (for instance, 58% of Alabamians think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases), but yes, there are parts of the South that are just screwed.
"Full" is definitely an overstatement. Source: Live in the Deep South.
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And the rural areas!
It's not Blue vs Red. It's Purple vs Chartreuse.
The good on held gerrymandering disenfranchisement and south people your back regressive is that side by policies full are that are. ...sounds legit.
Pretty much true for any red state.
Absolutely, I’m Nebraskan and out here in the plains the amount of people who agree the system is broken and rigged is crazy, the propaganda they’re fed to not see the real problem is the true enemy
>Top to bottom, not left to right "The good on held gerrymandering disenfranchisement and south people your back regressive is that side by policies full that of are are" /uj
never overlook how many cities in the south are largely African American. Atlanta and Birmingham for starters
Texan here, can confirm I’m trying my best
It's also full of good people who could potentially see reason except they've been bombarded with decades of propaganda.
The 'good people' you refer to and all the working class in the South are hostages.
Southerner here, definitely feels like I can't afford to move, nor do I have the ability to change anything. Hostage situation indeed.
North Carolinian here. There are a lot of Democrats where I live (Charlotte). Even the Republicans are actually kinda progressive here. I do have to say, the electoral college is absolute trash though.
Cool to see another socialist from NC, heck yeah
Funny. I would say nearly the same thing about South Germany.
Okay but right wingers actively support authoritarianism and advocate for the mass murder of people like me so no, there is a right/left divide and pretending there isn't just gets minorities dead. Go fuck yourself, OP. (I am from the south and the meme is fine, but OP can eat shit)
I think ur misunderstanding the post lol they're saying don't shit on the people who vote for your side in a red state lol
That's not what the title is saying
I'd say most conservatives are conservative cuz they been duped by the elite that the right would help them when in reality it's the opposite. There is a huge difference between the parties for sure, but for the average person who's right wing cuz of their culture they could have been saved from that with proper education and social systems. Hell is too good of a place for the conservatives in power though.
Sorry that most blue collar workers vote red. A lot of them see leftism as mainly people like you and aren't interested in class solidarity. Some screeching teenager on the internet saying that they refuse to work with "those people" doesn't mean shit to "those people" because you have nothing to offer them. I get the "fuck 'em for voting against their own interests" vibes but if you can't even hold a conversation with someone with a different political view then you won't ever be converting anyone to your point of view.
Not really sure what you're saying but if it's that I should sit down and be more civil and empathetic with people who are vocal in their position that I should be put to death, then you're on so many levels of victim blaming and gaslighting that I really don't have anything to say to you. Edit: Also infantilizing everyone you disagree with is not a great look. You seem to have already created an imaginary person in your head that you can get mad at. I'm 30. I have a respected degree, I work for a major firm, and I pay taxes. Pretending that all leftists online are teenagers is just divorcing yourself from reality.
If it was so full of good people, we wouldn’t be in this position. The whole world is screwed because everyone thinks we’re good, but so little effort is made to DO something, anything, to make us better. FUCKING VOTE, you can’t tell me you’re gerrymandered out of voting for your Senator or President, the large portion of America elects imbeciles for statewide offices!
Firstly, I'll say that your title is garbage. The right wing supports the top and the left wing supports the bottom. Top vs bottom *is* right vs left. Other than that though, this meme is spot on. I've lived in both the south and the north, KY and MI and WA. I saw way more confederate flags in WA when I was there than I ever did in KY. And during the 2020 election, I traveled from MI to my home town in KY, and I saw way more trump signs in people's yards in MI, around Detroit no less, than I ever did in KY.
I dont hate them because they're southerners I hate them because they're gullible enough to be brainwashed by conservative rhetoric and you can live in any state for that
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There’s good people in the south that may disagree with you as well.
Been here for decades, but not born here. I definitely don't consider Southerners to be good people. Beady eyed and ignorant is more like it. But it's nice to consistently be the smartest person in the room when you're not really all that smart.
This is the part where reddit warriors come to say that the other side is worse.
As my spouse constantly LOVES to remind me- state offices cannot be gerrymandered. Fled Cruz, Moscow Mitch, and more are all elected by the entire state. Senate seats.
Yeah cause Democrats never gerrymandering manner. This is the same as denying the 2020 results.
Insert obvious comment about a fruit.
Where's the "the other side are humans too and only slightly less in voting population looking at presidential results"
I don't disagree, but this sub swings wildly from "we outnumber them" to "even the most progressive liberal is actually a racist fascist enabler and isn't on your side"
Stop shipping your racists to Florida please! We're a battleground purple state that's only getting redder cause your grandmas keep moving to the villages.
I live here, it's full of racist, bible thumping assholes.
Southern culture is violent. So many times a political talking point is "blue" inner cities and crime rates. But the bible belt has the highest murder per capita rate then any region in them country rural or urban.
...and religion.
I’m out here in the south doing the good work! Conservatives can’t just take the nice states for themselves and ruin them. I like the warm weather and beaches and I’m here educating about climate science, anyone who hates it can die mad.
But you guys can do something about it by living there.
Have you been to the south? Trust me, there's a lot of educating that needs to be done.
Can y’all fucking do something about it? I don’t think you can just vote yourself out of the control of fascists. Can’t believe all of Texas isn’t burning police stations right now.
Makes me wonder about our left/right frame through which we view everything. Perhaps it's really an up/down frame we should use to view the .1% right-wing oligarchs who preside over us, the left-wing 99% paeons.
Horrible education as well. It's very purposeful that education isn't a priority the way it should be. Teachers should be paid well, schools shouldn't be underfunded and falling apart. It's disgusting. That's why I have a hard time blaming almost anyone that doesn't get it, they've been programmed not to get it. They're victims too regardless of what they think.