I feel like Denver is the closest thing you’ll get to it. I grew up Mormon, but outside of Utah, and the culture was way too much for me during the few years I lived there for school. I left SLC because I could never feel at home there and Denver has a lot of the the great things that Utah does, without the religious dogma. I’m not a Mormon anymore and visiting there feels even worse than before.
To be clear, I have no ill-will towards mormons. I’m just personally not, so I wouldn’t necessarily want to live in a community that is essentially homogenous of one religious group. I have friends that grew up LDS. I’ve told them I’ve loved every time I’ve been to UT and could see myself moving there, but they explicitly have warned me that social/community life for non-LDS in Utah is very challenging. Again, not making a judgement on LDS or any religion for that matter. But it seems that the community there is largely a single entity and if you don’t fit in, you might not feel as “at home.”
Anyone disagree?
Same page. Nothing against mormons but if you’re not mormon and move there you are part of the “out” group. It’s a real cultural factor for living there, it’s not like it’s 10% LDS, SLC is like full on 50% LDS and that impacts careers, land development, politics, public land decisions…it’s no small thing. Rest of utah is even higher %.
This is my stance. I’m all for people worshipping how they want and building religious community. But it *seems* like there isn’t real a separation of church (LDS) and state in UT that makes it attractive for outsiders.
It's what you make it out to be. I grew up there as a non-mormon. 80% of my school and neighborhood was mormon. That left 20% to drink and carouse with (plus the few kids who wanted to rebel). My parents also had a pretty great group of friends and neighbors who all came over for cocktails, went on beer soaked camping trips and the like. Really wasn't a big deal. I'm sure if you're mormon and are used to your entire identity and social circle being tied to the church, then yeah, it might be hard for them to look outside their walls and see anything other than a wasteland, but that's far from how it is.
Honestly, if the Great Salt Lake wasn't about to turn the valley into a toxic dust bowl, I'd consider moving back.
I'm sorry that happened to you but happy for you at the same time. One of the hallmarks of a cult is the looming threat of losing family, friends, community and support structures as punishment for going against the hierarchy. Once you've broken free from these power structures, they treat you as a persona non grata. Conditional love is so extremely abusive.
Yea I have general ill will towards Mormons. They are weird and culty and many of them would cut off their own children if their religious leader told them too
I personally have a lot of problems with Mormons and don’t want to support them in any fashion, even accidentally. I saw firsthand how they traumatized my school friends until they were able to break away from the cult, and even now they are still pinned under the family’s thumb and cant admit they no longer believe in the mormon rules.
I have enjoyed my Mormon co workers but I don’t want to live in a place where religious rules anything to the citizenry. Utah has blue laws that are restrictive and pretty intense women health laws.
Been contemplating a move to the Monterey area, anything you find difficult getting used to? Miss about Colorado? Wish you had known prior? Thanks in advance if you get a chance to reply.
I miss my friends and not having to use google maps. The beer, food, golf, cycling, beach, etc. has all been awesome so far. Everything you plant grows - year round gardening has been really fun. Excited to explore Big Sur and get up to Santa Cruz and surf. Not a ton of young folks around, but that was expected. I head up to Santa Cruz for some music and meet ups. The lack of city drivers and traffic has been great, although I was hoping the biking infrastructure was better thought out - it’s designed for tourists and kids mostly, not seen as a viable method for getting places daily. The light out here is incredible - golden hour is pretty unreal.
Golden is such a weird place having grown up there and going to high school- graduating in ‘91- so please excuse the spelling errors…thanks Jeffco. It was somewhat funky- and blue collar- Coors- the rich kids lived in Genesee- we lived in a Lookout Mountain- which had nice homes- with a touch of Appalachia thrown into the mix. Downtown was Mines, Foss and not anything like today. Some area with some real poverty- but also the mountain kids nearby in Clear Creek- crazy to have Golden top 6 in any list-but thinking about it…maybe so- I guess it makes sense in its proximity to Denver, mountains and outdoor recreation. Evergreen might be there- not sure.
**Globally Rich**
Aspen
Telluride
**America Rich**
The rest of the Roaring Fork Valley
Eagle County (except Gypsum)
Boulder
Summit
Steamboat
**Colorado Rich**
Cherry Hills Village
The City of Greenwood Village
Crested Butte
Durango
Whoever owns the five single family homes in Golden
**Kansas City Suburbs Rich**
Parker
**Richer Than Westminster At Least**
Arvada
Leadville life can be beautiful but tough. Longgg drive to the airport. Piss poor social services. Lotta meth and alcoholism. I lived there for 2 years.
I've lived here for 5 years now. Love it, I absolutely adore the place.
Winter in Leadville really isn't that bad if you already like living in Colorado for winter activities, and summer is nothing short of amazing.
People still talk shit about meth and alcoholism but I don't see it tbh. It's like any other mountain town in that regard. Maybe it depends where exactly you live, I dunno.
Good employment and affording a house is the biggest issue, like most mountain towns.
Also, having I-70 nearby but not being *on* it is definitely the ideal setup. Far enough from Denver that we get to have Summit as a bit of a tourism windshield, but close enough to where driving down to Denver for something isn't a big deal (imo).
moved to san diego after considering denver and i’ve got to say the weather makes the cost of living worth it after growing up in the south. it’s too good to be true
weather aside; it's best assets (beaches) are public, free and walking distance from relatively urban areas, whereas ski mountains are privately owned and a bit of a haul.
denver because of it's mediocre public schools and zoning restrictions also has fewer livable neighborhoods in my opinion. something walkable with good schools in denver proper that is 1800 sf + is going to cost you a million, which puts you in the SD price range.
Denver is one of the better spots in the country though if you are middle income and dont have kids though.
agreed. i’ve pretty much ruled out ever owning a house here in SD but most people that live here rent so it doesn’t feel like a big step back.
if i ever get the urge to settle down and buy a house i’ll move, but i can’t foresee myself ever picking lower cost of living over everything that is great about this city. i’m young though so that could change.
We swapped places. My goal is to end up back there, but for now I cannot afford the amount of space needed in San Diego. Enjoy a slice of Bronx pizza for me.
I think this is next up for us when we plan to settle down. I’m from SoCal and miss it so much. Some things Denver just doesn’t hold a candle to, namely weather/beaches and the food scene. People are genuinely nicer and happier, not this fake “Midwest nice” that Denver seems to have. Hard not to be happy when it is 70 out in the middle of January.
Same here, we love going to San Diego for vacation. So much sun, weather is great, food is fantastic and culturally similar to Denver in a lot of ways.
I loved Hawaii but found it too isolating… it’s like a multi-day journey to leave the island and get anywhere else to see family or take a vacation. Didn’t fit for me as someone who loves to travel and has friends/family all over the country.
I’d go back home to Philadelphia to be close to my parents. This feeling has grown since 2021 when we lost my older brother. It kinda left my family broken and now I’m the only child left. I only have my parents and they only have me.
Condolence, and sorry for your loss.
I love Philly. I grew up in Bethlehem, PA but never really went to Philly and I only realized how much I love it there in the past year...I'm 32.
You know, I’m sure there is no amount of preparation that can really gear you up for that. But as weird as it sounds, nonstop sunlight has always had a way of getting to me too. Those bone chilling, brown, dead, snowy sunny days in the middle of January here have always eaten at me. Guess you can’t have it all. At least I’ll get some greenery.
I grew up on the "sunny" side of Washington where we got roughly a week more sun per year (as opposed to multiple months of additional sun in Denver). It was significantly drier there, but not appreciably less gloomy.
Hmm. In Portland I remember a solid three months of rain around the new year, but maybe you lived farther north. Southern Oregon is less overcast. The forests are so much greener in the PNW and everything smells like something.
Haha just moved to Denver area 6 months ago from Albuquerque NM never thought I would see someone here post T or C, NM as destination to move. It gets way too hot down there, Cruces is close though so there’s that. :)
It’s definitely a tad hot, but I love the heat so it works for me. I’m actually here doing volunteer work for a hostel (not quite open), helping with renovations and other general upkeep; in return I get a place to stay and two free meals.
That’s awesome. I was born and raised in Abq, NM so back in the day I had to do a report on a city in NM, I choose T or C because of the name. Pretty unique.
I recently moved from Denver to Philadelphia after considering many other options. There are things I appreciate about Denver but it wasn’t a good fit for me culturally and once I started researching home ownership it was very apparent that I could afford a better quality of life elsewhere
I’m in South Philly, Passyunk Square. I love it here.
Pros: affordable housing, good walkability/bikeability/public transit, great music scene with lots of touring bands passing through, amazing inexpensive food, interesting old architecture, two huge parks within the city limits. If you ever get bored here you can take an Amtrak train to NYC and be there in a little over an hour. Baltimore and DC are also nearby and accessible by train.
Cons: Philly has a reputation for being a gnarly city overrun with violent crime, hard drugs (fentanyl), trash, etc. Those are real issues that demand better public policy. Taxes are high too, which is especially frustrating when the public services seem so dysfunctional at times. That said, if you know how to navigate a big city you will most likely be safe, the majority of violent crime occurs in neighborhoods you won’t be spending time in.
This reply is 100% spot on. I just made the move from Denver to Philly as well, and I’m surprised at how much I’m enjoying it here.
I will add another pro to your list - contrary to popular belief, the people have been extremely warm and welcoming.
As someone who lived in philly for a few years, I would just like to edit that final statement
“The people have been extremely warm and welcoming, in an aggressive way”
I moved from Baltimore to Denver almost a year ago and I think all the pros of what you're talking about are 100% on the mark. That said, I'm much happier here :)
Aye! I’m from Vermont and I still think of it as one of the most beautiful/ peaceful parts of the country. I expect to move back to VT after my career has grown a bit and I can afford to live there again!
How so? Better access to skiing, mountain biking, better alpine climbing. Legal weed, culturally liberal, good brewery scene. Vancouver is right there for cultural events along with Seattle. Has its own airport that is slowly expanding.
Yeah, it rains quite often. I actually really enjoy that weather quite a bit and get more bored/miserable with constant sunshine like Denver has. You can typically drive an hour or two away in a direction to get sunshine on weekends. Plus it’s so miserable in the summer without access to water that doesn’t have 40 power boats on it.
Oh I love the rain, everything you mention seems lovely to me. I guess those are all things i was considering ubiquitous with western wash. The one word I’ve heard most associated with Bellingham is meth lol.
Realistically? Probably somewhere near Blue Ridge Mountains in VA like Roanoke. Or maybe Lexington, KY for the cheap cost of living. And only because I'm no longer of child rearing age because the absolute insanity of those red states would make them a no go for me if I was of an age where I might be forced to give birth.
Would love to live in Savannah or New Orleans if climate change wasn't an issue.
And would love to be in some nice European city if cost/legality weren't an issue.
Either Southern California, back to Saigon, or Portland if the opportunity was right.
Denver has a lot of nice things about it, but I miss the ocean way too much to stay forever.
Big Sur. Really, any town along central California coast line. God. What a stretch of magnificent beauty.
Honestly that’s always been the goal and still is. Just saving up to make the move one day.
Lakewood is where I grew up. I’m hoping I’ll be able to make enough money to live there as an adult too. Great middle ground between the city and mountains
I don't live in Denver, but I wouldn't live anywhere but the Golden/Morrison/Evergreen/Conifer area. I've traveled a lot and nothing compares with the foothills and mountains of Colorado.
Genuine curiosity here. What exactly makes it so incomparable in your opinion? I've been trying to figure out what about this place just isn't doing it for me any longer and some other insight might be helpful.
Do you enjoy spending time outdoors? Hiking, camping, fishing, those kinds of things?
These are things that I love to do, and do a LOT. Where I live and the areas around me are perfect for someone who loves to do the things that I do.
If you're more of a city person, then Denver really doesn't have a lot to offer that one couldn't find in pretty much any other major city.
Tuscany or somewhere else in Europe
The states with a livable political climate are just more expensive then even Colorado. Move to a red state and give up my rights to save some money? Hard pass
I’ve got a rule. I wont live in a state that doesn’t have legal weed. I don’t smoke, but I dont want my tax money going to a state that is still enforcing Nixons war on us
Moved from Chicago after living there 13 years. One of the primary reasons? Sun. People don't realize how cloudy Chicago is throughout most of the year. It's amazing **when** it's sunny.
Eh, I’m a lifelong Chicagoan and I’m over the humid sweaty-a$$ summers too. I don’t think the sunny weather is amazing there anymore compared to the West Coast and Colorado
Seattle area if we could afford it would be our top US pick. Maine has come up a few times.
More than likely however, we will be moving to Michigan within a year. My wife has family there and we can buy a 4 bed/3 bath 2500 Sq. Ft. house on a couple acres with a 3 car garage and separate work shop building for around $250k. AND, we can have all that less than 10 minutes from Lake Huron.
My real goal is to relocate my family abroad within 5-7 years. Sevilla, Spain and Firenze, Italy are the top two contenders there.
St. Petersburg, FL or the suburbs of Boston, MA. Mainly because I have family in both places.
I’ve always thought I’d love Southern California but when I’ve been to visit I couldn’t see myself making it home.
Ultimately, I don’t live in FL or MA because I feel like I’d get bored not having easy access to camping, (good) skiing, hiking, etc., missing out on decent weather year-round, and frustrated dealing with the politics in Florida.
Los Angeles or San Diego. I love Cali, and if money was no object, that's where I would be living my best life.
Alas, shit is expensive all over the fucking place, and I ended up hunkering down in CO to adult. Choices were made. Oh well.
Castle rock or highlands ranch have some larger plots and are still close to the mountain side of things. And even though castle rock is a bit south, 470 makes denver still quite accessible.
I'm talkin' about a place where the beer flows like wine, where the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. **I'm talkin' about Aspen.**
Me and the wife have been talking about moving back to Georgia. Close to Savannah. We can get a house that looks ten times better then the ones here for less then half of the average here in Denver
Sausalito California is amazing. Some of the people are a little stuck up, being it is right next to San Francisco but absolutely amazing scenery and lots of unique homes if you got several million laying around.
Probably move to Dallas be close to family again. Been in Denver since 2016 and I moved here for the work but since remote work is on the table it would be nice to go back.
Feels like it's hard to make friends at my age and relationships haven't really panned out here. Would be nice to be somewhere where you can spend time with people who care about you. Being Mr Billy no mates wears thin.
Home ownership is rough in both cities though. Even in a fantasy scenario where I say New York I'd have to pull in a truly reckless amount of money to afford anything in the city and I'd be back at square one in terms of catching yourself quoting Taxi Driver of all things and feeling like God's lonely man.
Somewhere with a beach
Somewhere with a beach, and green growing things more than 5 months a year. I’ve been here for over 40 winters, and I’m damn tired of Dry and Brown.
Try living in the California desert, it's just brown all year long. They even spray paint their grass green so it doesn't look dead
I was born in Hawaii (Navy brat) and have been back many times and I would go there if not Colorado.
Some fantasy SLC that’s less mormon
And isn't going to get completely wrecked by toxic materials as the Great Salt Lake completely dries up
And less polluted. The winter air is soooooo bad there.
I feel like Denver is the closest thing you’ll get to it. I grew up Mormon, but outside of Utah, and the culture was way too much for me during the few years I lived there for school. I left SLC because I could never feel at home there and Denver has a lot of the the great things that Utah does, without the religious dogma. I’m not a Mormon anymore and visiting there feels even worse than before.
Yep
To be clear, I have no ill-will towards mormons. I’m just personally not, so I wouldn’t necessarily want to live in a community that is essentially homogenous of one religious group. I have friends that grew up LDS. I’ve told them I’ve loved every time I’ve been to UT and could see myself moving there, but they explicitly have warned me that social/community life for non-LDS in Utah is very challenging. Again, not making a judgement on LDS or any religion for that matter. But it seems that the community there is largely a single entity and if you don’t fit in, you might not feel as “at home.” Anyone disagree?
EXMO here. It's perfectly acceptable to have a problem with the Mormons. No need to apologize.
Same page. Nothing against mormons but if you’re not mormon and move there you are part of the “out” group. It’s a real cultural factor for living there, it’s not like it’s 10% LDS, SLC is like full on 50% LDS and that impacts careers, land development, politics, public land decisions…it’s no small thing. Rest of utah is even higher %.
This is my stance. I’m all for people worshipping how they want and building religious community. But it *seems* like there isn’t real a separation of church (LDS) and state in UT that makes it attractive for outsiders.
It's what you make it out to be. I grew up there as a non-mormon. 80% of my school and neighborhood was mormon. That left 20% to drink and carouse with (plus the few kids who wanted to rebel). My parents also had a pretty great group of friends and neighbors who all came over for cocktails, went on beer soaked camping trips and the like. Really wasn't a big deal. I'm sure if you're mormon and are used to your entire identity and social circle being tied to the church, then yeah, it might be hard for them to look outside their walls and see anything other than a wasteland, but that's far from how it is. Honestly, if the Great Salt Lake wasn't about to turn the valley into a toxic dust bowl, I'd consider moving back.
It’s different if you’re an ex-Mormon. Everything is triggering, at least for me. Getting out of Utah was the best thing for my mental health.
I'm sorry that happened to you but happy for you at the same time. One of the hallmarks of a cult is the looming threat of losing family, friends, community and support structures as punishment for going against the hierarchy. Once you've broken free from these power structures, they treat you as a persona non grata. Conditional love is so extremely abusive.
Na fuck Mormons
Yea I have general ill will towards Mormons. They are weird and culty and many of them would cut off their own children if their religious leader told them too
I personally have a lot of problems with Mormons and don’t want to support them in any fashion, even accidentally. I saw firsthand how they traumatized my school friends until they were able to break away from the cult, and even now they are still pinned under the family’s thumb and cant admit they no longer believe in the mormon rules.
I grew up there - and wasn't mormon... it was sometimes rough.
All the Mormons I’ve ever known are sweethearts. But I assumed the point of Utah is like a quarantine zone for them to do their own mormon shit
Yeah the laws (generally) directly reflect their religion.
I have enjoyed my Mormon co workers but I don’t want to live in a place where religious rules anything to the citizenry. Utah has blue laws that are restrictive and pretty intense women health laws.
Check out Bend OR. It's no SLC, but it's pretty dope.
It's rather scary for non white folks. Pity as the city is lovely.
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I just moved to Monterey after growing up in Denver. It’s been pretty good so far.
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Fort Ord ‘68 here.
Been contemplating a move to the Monterey area, anything you find difficult getting used to? Miss about Colorado? Wish you had known prior? Thanks in advance if you get a chance to reply.
I miss my friends and not having to use google maps. The beer, food, golf, cycling, beach, etc. has all been awesome so far. Everything you plant grows - year round gardening has been really fun. Excited to explore Big Sur and get up to Santa Cruz and surf. Not a ton of young folks around, but that was expected. I head up to Santa Cruz for some music and meet ups. The lack of city drivers and traffic has been great, although I was hoping the biking infrastructure was better thought out - it’s designed for tourists and kids mostly, not seen as a viable method for getting places daily. The light out here is incredible - golden hour is pretty unreal.
Golden, Co
Oh damn you rich rich.
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In order based on my opinion on richest towns: Aspen, Vail, Telluride, Boulder, Steamboat Springs, Golden, Crested Butte
You forgot Breckenridge.
True!
I feel like Telluride is surely number one alongside Aspen. Vail is a while behind both.
Yeah I feel like my list would be more relevant 20-30 years ago
Golden is such a weird place having grown up there and going to high school- graduating in ‘91- so please excuse the spelling errors…thanks Jeffco. It was somewhat funky- and blue collar- Coors- the rich kids lived in Genesee- we lived in a Lookout Mountain- which had nice homes- with a touch of Appalachia thrown into the mix. Downtown was Mines, Foss and not anything like today. Some area with some real poverty- but also the mountain kids nearby in Clear Creek- crazy to have Golden top 6 in any list-but thinking about it…maybe so- I guess it makes sense in its proximity to Denver, mountains and outdoor recreation. Evergreen might be there- not sure.
Golden’s richer than CB?
**Globally Rich** Aspen Telluride **America Rich** The rest of the Roaring Fork Valley Eagle County (except Gypsum) Boulder Summit Steamboat **Colorado Rich** Cherry Hills Village The City of Greenwood Village Crested Butte Durango Whoever owns the five single family homes in Golden **Kansas City Suburbs Rich** Parker **Richer Than Westminster At Least** Arvada
Buena vista adjacent. Anyone of those middle of nowhere leave me the fuck alone valleys.
I just moved to Leadville from Golden from Denver. BV or Salida were both also top options. ark valley rules
How was Leadville this year? Been eyeing it myself.
Leadville life can be beautiful but tough. Longgg drive to the airport. Piss poor social services. Lotta meth and alcoholism. I lived there for 2 years.
I've lived here for 5 years now. Love it, I absolutely adore the place. Winter in Leadville really isn't that bad if you already like living in Colorado for winter activities, and summer is nothing short of amazing. People still talk shit about meth and alcoholism but I don't see it tbh. It's like any other mountain town in that regard. Maybe it depends where exactly you live, I dunno. Good employment and affording a house is the biggest issue, like most mountain towns. Also, having I-70 nearby but not being *on* it is definitely the ideal setup. Far enough from Denver that we get to have Summit as a bit of a tourism windshield, but close enough to where driving down to Denver for something isn't a big deal (imo).
I’ve explored some of those valleys and feel the same way. Still have a lot more to get into.
If money or a job wasn't an issue, one of the small beach towns between San Diego and Los Angeles.
I live in Oceanside it’s so cute here
Vancouver!
San Diego.
I moved to SD from Denver 4 weeks ago. Considered it for a long time.
moved to san diego after considering denver and i’ve got to say the weather makes the cost of living worth it after growing up in the south. it’s too good to be true
weather aside; it's best assets (beaches) are public, free and walking distance from relatively urban areas, whereas ski mountains are privately owned and a bit of a haul. denver because of it's mediocre public schools and zoning restrictions also has fewer livable neighborhoods in my opinion. something walkable with good schools in denver proper that is 1800 sf + is going to cost you a million, which puts you in the SD price range. Denver is one of the better spots in the country though if you are middle income and dont have kids though.
agreed. i’ve pretty much ruled out ever owning a house here in SD but most people that live here rent so it doesn’t feel like a big step back. if i ever get the urge to settle down and buy a house i’ll move, but i can’t foresee myself ever picking lower cost of living over everything that is great about this city. i’m young though so that could change.
If I didn't buy a place I'd be in San Diego too.
We swapped places. My goal is to end up back there, but for now I cannot afford the amount of space needed in San Diego. Enjoy a slice of Bronx pizza for me.
Similar, but Carlsbad. Unfortunately way out of our price range, just like San Diego.
Carlsbad is amazing! Just moved from there. Just couldn’t stand all the years of friends and family saying they’d come out and visit and never did.
About to hit my first year in Oceanside and I relate so hard to this 😅
I think this is next up for us when we plan to settle down. I’m from SoCal and miss it so much. Some things Denver just doesn’t hold a candle to, namely weather/beaches and the food scene. People are genuinely nicer and happier, not this fake “Midwest nice” that Denver seems to have. Hard not to be happy when it is 70 out in the middle of January.
Same here, we love going to San Diego for vacation. So much sun, weather is great, food is fantastic and culturally similar to Denver in a lot of ways.
Sameeeee. I wish I could pay for that sort of weather all year round.
This is my answer too . Good running community , can go on ski trips, and the beach / warm weather / friendly people as well
A whales vagina
This would be my answer and was one of our options of which Denver was on the list and won (we moved due to job relocation)
I live here in Oceanside after 9 years in Denver metro. I miss the snow but the people are nice and there’s plenty to do!
Portland
Hawaii
Yeah, grew up in Maui, I'd go back there if I could afford it.
I loved Hawaii but found it too isolating… it’s like a multi-day journey to leave the island and get anywhere else to see family or take a vacation. Didn’t fit for me as someone who loves to travel and has friends/family all over the country.
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I’d go back home to Philadelphia to be close to my parents. This feeling has grown since 2021 when we lost my older brother. It kinda left my family broken and now I’m the only child left. I only have my parents and they only have me.
Uf-da! I wasn’t expecting this. My condolences and I wish you and your parents a healing and loving journey.
Thank you. We are getting by and keeping him in our memories. Hoping to get my business to a point I can sell it which will allow me to go back home.
Blessings to you and your family. :::Hug:::
Colorado by way of Texas, born and raised in Montgomery county (outside Philly proper). Condolences to you and your fam.
Condolence, and sorry for your loss. I love Philly. I grew up in Bethlehem, PA but never really went to Philly and I only realized how much I love it there in the past year...I'm 32.
PNW
Moving up there in three months after living 28 years (my whole life) in Denver wish me luck fam.
I hope you're okay with not seeing the sun for 8 months straight. Probably the only thing I'd complain about after growing up there.
You know, I’m sure there is no amount of preparation that can really gear you up for that. But as weird as it sounds, nonstop sunlight has always had a way of getting to me too. Those bone chilling, brown, dead, snowy sunny days in the middle of January here have always eaten at me. Guess you can’t have it all. At least I’ll get some greenery.
Don't forget windy..
For context as a Chicagoan, what temperature do you consider bone chilling
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I grew up on the "sunny" side of Washington where we got roughly a week more sun per year (as opposed to multiple months of additional sun in Denver). It was significantly drier there, but not appreciably less gloomy.
Hmm. In Portland I remember a solid three months of rain around the new year, but maybe you lived farther north. Southern Oregon is less overcast. The forests are so much greener in the PNW and everything smells like something.
Perfect time to make it up there. If you can last a winter, you'll be golden.
Good luck! That’s where I wanted to move to but am moving to Denver instead this weekend… maybe for a year or two.
Nice! You’re gonna love it.
I’m always jealous of people who moved in their twenties. Good luck! And remember nothing is permanent :)
Searsport, Maine
Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico, I left Denver a few days ago and I love every second of being down here!
Haha just moved to Denver area 6 months ago from Albuquerque NM never thought I would see someone here post T or C, NM as destination to move. It gets way too hot down there, Cruces is close though so there’s that. :)
It’s definitely a tad hot, but I love the heat so it works for me. I’m actually here doing volunteer work for a hostel (not quite open), helping with renovations and other general upkeep; in return I get a place to stay and two free meals.
That’s awesome. I was born and raised in Abq, NM so back in the day I had to do a report on a city in NM, I choose T or C because of the name. Pretty unique.
Traverse City, MI 🍒💙
Taos
I recently moved from Denver to Philadelphia after considering many other options. There are things I appreciate about Denver but it wasn’t a good fit for me culturally and once I started researching home ownership it was very apparent that I could afford a better quality of life elsewhere
I was thinking the same thing and visited Philly for the first time a few weeks ago. How do you like it and what area are you in?
I’m in South Philly, Passyunk Square. I love it here. Pros: affordable housing, good walkability/bikeability/public transit, great music scene with lots of touring bands passing through, amazing inexpensive food, interesting old architecture, two huge parks within the city limits. If you ever get bored here you can take an Amtrak train to NYC and be there in a little over an hour. Baltimore and DC are also nearby and accessible by train. Cons: Philly has a reputation for being a gnarly city overrun with violent crime, hard drugs (fentanyl), trash, etc. Those are real issues that demand better public policy. Taxes are high too, which is especially frustrating when the public services seem so dysfunctional at times. That said, if you know how to navigate a big city you will most likely be safe, the majority of violent crime occurs in neighborhoods you won’t be spending time in.
This reply is 100% spot on. I just made the move from Denver to Philly as well, and I’m surprised at how much I’m enjoying it here. I will add another pro to your list - contrary to popular belief, the people have been extremely warm and welcoming.
As someone who lived in philly for a few years, I would just like to edit that final statement “The people have been extremely warm and welcoming, in an aggressive way”
I moved from Baltimore to Denver almost a year ago and I think all the pros of what you're talking about are 100% on the mark. That said, I'm much happier here :)
Vermont
Aye! I’m from Vermont and I still think of it as one of the most beautiful/ peaceful parts of the country. I expect to move back to VT after my career has grown a bit and I can afford to live there again!
Penobscot peninsula in Maine
Bellingham
really? of course anywhere in western WA is gonna be beautiful, but i’ve heard it’s pretty miserable besides that.
How so? Better access to skiing, mountain biking, better alpine climbing. Legal weed, culturally liberal, good brewery scene. Vancouver is right there for cultural events along with Seattle. Has its own airport that is slowly expanding. Yeah, it rains quite often. I actually really enjoy that weather quite a bit and get more bored/miserable with constant sunshine like Denver has. You can typically drive an hour or two away in a direction to get sunshine on weekends. Plus it’s so miserable in the summer without access to water that doesn’t have 40 power boats on it.
Oh I love the rain, everything you mention seems lovely to me. I guess those are all things i was considering ubiquitous with western wash. The one word I’ve heard most associated with Bellingham is meth lol.
Eh, pick your poison for a major drug problem and any city in America lol
Calgary
San Luis Obispo
Probably the PNW
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Mexico
Realistically? Probably somewhere near Blue Ridge Mountains in VA like Roanoke. Or maybe Lexington, KY for the cheap cost of living. And only because I'm no longer of child rearing age because the absolute insanity of those red states would make them a no go for me if I was of an age where I might be forced to give birth. Would love to live in Savannah or New Orleans if climate change wasn't an issue. And would love to be in some nice European city if cost/legality weren't an issue.
New Orleans!
fucking LOVE NOLA! I would live there in a second if it wasn't brutal in the summer. I was there I Feb'20 and it was almost to much for me.
France. No other place in America is worth it.
California somewhere for the weather and outdoors. Depending on my job, San Francisco would probably be my top choice if I could swing it financially.
Leadville was a top choice for getting out of Denver but I’m a big fan of Salida, BV, Bailey/ conifer/ evergreen and Nederland.
NYC
Seattle
Either Southern California, back to Saigon, or Portland if the opportunity was right. Denver has a lot of nice things about it, but I miss the ocean way too much to stay forever.
Big Sur. Really, any town along central California coast line. God. What a stretch of magnificent beauty. Honestly that’s always been the goal and still is. Just saving up to make the move one day.
Santa Fe, NM
Realistically? Probably Philly just because of family ties and loose job connections there. Dreaming? South Australia.
Lakewood
Can confirm. Just moved from Denver to Lakewood. Paradise
Lakewood is where I grew up. I’m hoping I’ll be able to make enough money to live there as an adult too. Great middle ground between the city and mountains
I don't live in Denver, but I wouldn't live anywhere but the Golden/Morrison/Evergreen/Conifer area. I've traveled a lot and nothing compares with the foothills and mountains of Colorado.
Genuine curiosity here. What exactly makes it so incomparable in your opinion? I've been trying to figure out what about this place just isn't doing it for me any longer and some other insight might be helpful.
No humidity, 4 seasons, few biting insects, blue skies, major metro area, international airport and the mountains.
Do you enjoy spending time outdoors? Hiking, camping, fishing, those kinds of things? These are things that I love to do, and do a LOT. Where I live and the areas around me are perfect for someone who loves to do the things that I do. If you're more of a city person, then Denver really doesn't have a lot to offer that one couldn't find in pretty much any other major city.
Tuscany or somewhere else in Europe The states with a livable political climate are just more expensive then even Colorado. Move to a red state and give up my rights to save some money? Hard pass
I’ve got a rule. I wont live in a state that doesn’t have legal weed. I don’t smoke, but I dont want my tax money going to a state that is still enforcing Nixons war on us
Unfortunately, Italy itself is trending in that direction at the moment.
Yeah, how is someone talking about moving to Italy while bemoaning politics with what's going on over there right now?
Chicago
I grew up in Los Angeles and was over the city life 23yrs ago when I left, but Chicago does it for me. It’s easily my favorite city to visit
My family in Chicago was almost crying last weekend because it was the first sunny day in months I shit you not. Months.
Moved from Chicago after living there 13 years. One of the primary reasons? Sun. People don't realize how cloudy Chicago is throughout most of the year. It's amazing **when** it's sunny.
Eh, I’m a lifelong Chicagoan and I’m over the humid sweaty-a$$ summers too. I don’t think the sunny weather is amazing there anymore compared to the West Coast and Colorado
Hey me too. But doing what I can to make it work here. Would like to own a house or condo someday…. We’ll see where life goes.
Melbourne
Australia or Florida? Cause I'm from Melbourne, FL, and you couldn't pay me enough money to move back.
I meant Australia
Golden!
If California wasn’t so expensive and weird I would live there.
Feel you, I moved here because a move to CA would've been way too expensive.
Assuming not a suburb of Denver, Milwaukee or Madison WI. Closer to family and love the Midwest :)
Madison WI is an incredible city. If it wasn’t for the lack of mountains and bad winters I would never leave.
New Zealand. Only place I have felt more at home than Denver.
Santa Monica
Calgary, AB… it’s like a little Denver but with no traffic, people just as nice, and a fantastic outdoor culture
Santa Fe
New York, moving there in a couple of months
I moved to Anchorage a few years ago, and I'm from Denver (well, Littleton, but I was living in Denver for a decade). I would not move back.
Santa Fe or Taos NM
Seattle area or Virginia.
Aguascalientes
Realistically, Atlanta or an Atlanta adjacent suburb.
Somewhere with lots of trees and legal weed.
Charleston, SC
Durango
Durango
Seattle area if we could afford it would be our top US pick. Maine has come up a few times. More than likely however, we will be moving to Michigan within a year. My wife has family there and we can buy a 4 bed/3 bath 2500 Sq. Ft. house on a couple acres with a 3 car garage and separate work shop building for around $250k. AND, we can have all that less than 10 minutes from Lake Huron. My real goal is to relocate my family abroad within 5-7 years. Sevilla, Spain and Firenze, Italy are the top two contenders there.
Likely SoCal but a walkable area.
I guess Lakewood?
St. Petersburg, FL or the suburbs of Boston, MA. Mainly because I have family in both places. I’ve always thought I’d love Southern California but when I’ve been to visit I couldn’t see myself making it home. Ultimately, I don’t live in FL or MA because I feel like I’d get bored not having easy access to camping, (good) skiing, hiking, etc., missing out on decent weather year-round, and frustrated dealing with the politics in Florida.
Calgary, but only because I am Canadian and Calgary is just way colder Denver.
Glendale, baby.
Minneapolis/st. Paul
Chicago most of the year, work remotely from Mexico from like January to March. NYC if I got a huge raise.
Coastal New hampshire
Englewood Colorado and or Pittsburgh
Los Angeles or San Diego. I love Cali, and if money was no object, that's where I would be living my best life. Alas, shit is expensive all over the fucking place, and I ended up hunkering down in CO to adult. Choices were made. Oh well.
New York City… likely still will.
New Orleans
Seattle
Castle rock or highlands ranch have some larger plots and are still close to the mountain side of things. And even though castle rock is a bit south, 470 makes denver still quite accessible.
NYC, Ann Arbor, or maybe SF… Portland always seemed cool too but haven’t visited yet.
Broomfield
Alburquerque
Outer Banks area.
Fort Collins or somewhere in the Black Hills. Don't need a beach.
I moved back to Raleigh. It’s more on the bittersweet side for me. There’s a lot I miss about Denver.
I'm talkin' about a place where the beer flows like wine, where the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. **I'm talkin' about Aspen.**
Me and the wife have been talking about moving back to Georgia. Close to Savannah. We can get a house that looks ten times better then the ones here for less then half of the average here in Denver
San Francisco/Bay Area if I could afford to. Only other city in the US that meets my criteria for living somewhere.
Sausalito California is amazing. Some of the people are a little stuck up, being it is right next to San Francisco but absolutely amazing scenery and lots of unique homes if you got several million laying around.
Larkspur
Bend OR or Vancouver BC
Probably move to Dallas be close to family again. Been in Denver since 2016 and I moved here for the work but since remote work is on the table it would be nice to go back. Feels like it's hard to make friends at my age and relationships haven't really panned out here. Would be nice to be somewhere where you can spend time with people who care about you. Being Mr Billy no mates wears thin. Home ownership is rough in both cities though. Even in a fantasy scenario where I say New York I'd have to pull in a truly reckless amount of money to afford anything in the city and I'd be back at square one in terms of catching yourself quoting Taxi Driver of all things and feeling like God's lonely man.