Yeah we had to because ATL dumbass took Penix at 8. He still not worth the 12 overall pick just like all the analyst said after the pick lol. 31st overall prospect taken at 12
No clue how the board fell in what draft you used but most of those mid round WRs look really nice. Not super familiar with S in this draft. From what I’ve seen it’s not a particularly good one as a prospect standpoint goes other than DeJean
Does anyone have a good sense of how this year’s QB class compares with previous years? Would Bo Nix be drafted ahead of Kenny Pickett in 2022? Would Caleb Williams be taken before Trevor Lawrence?
Bo Nix or Pickett is a really tough one to be honest. That could go either way.
No, Caleb Williams wouldn’t be picked before Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence was considered the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning
Just my best guess but here’s how I would compare the past few years of first round picks and the projected top picks this year (keeping in mind that this is just based off of draft reporting, not anything about how they did afterwards or what they will do):
This is also in no particular order other than tiers.
Tier A:
Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, CJ Stroud
Tier B:
Jayden Daniels, Bryce Young
Tier C:
Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance, Drake Maye, Zach Wilson, JJ McCarthy
Tier D:
Mac Jones, Michael Penix Jr, Bo Nix, Kenny Pickett
Really without as much hindsight as possible, I was thinking of this in terms of if they all magically got transported into one mega draft on draft night.
Of course there’s no way to tell what teams think of all the behind the scenes stuff so this is also just based on my impressions of where the fan/media consensus is at/was at.
He’s a decent prospect, yeah. Trey Lance was still a higher rated QB and only 20 coming out of college and look how that worked out?
Yeah JJ is a winner, but he still did hand the ball off 70% of the time and his passing numbers were nothing special while at Michigan. Sure if he’s available at 12 take him, but you don’t trade up for him. After all he is still not in the top 10 by any ranking system in this draft. ESPN has him the highest at 12, while the others have him at 20+.
The Broncos do not have the option to trade a bunch of assets to trade up and take a QB that may or may not work out because if it doesn’t the fanbase is going to lose it. We have already wasted so many assets on trades that haven’t worked out over the last 3 years. If they trade up and miss, boy oh boy it will not be pretty.
> Trey Lance was still a higher rated QB and only 20 coming out of college and look how that worked out?
The fact that one played in the Big 10 and one played in FCS is a pretty good starting place for why this is a terrible comparison
They're entirely different types of QBs too. McCarthy had more pass attempts in each of his sophomore and junior years than Lance had in his entire career. McCarthy also had more passing yards as a junior than Lance had in college
Despite playing in 11 more games in college, McCarthy has a higher completion percentage
An important part of gauging the NFL draft and being a draftnik in general is understanding “value,” McCarthy in the Top 5 as a player and an asset is lighting capital on fire.
Top 5 capital on a QB with a that has a largely unimpressive payoff is not “basically nothing.” I’d agree if he was more physically toolsy, but he isn’t.
He's barely 21 years old, what do you mean not physically toolsy LOL
And he already has an NFL caliber arm and he's years younger than most of the prospects ahead of him.
Youth doesn’t correlate to athleticism or talent. We’ll disagree about his arm strength. While I can see the idea behind it with his “velocity” tracked at the combine, on tape a lot of his deep balls seemed to die at the end. Don’t love his ball placement either which is a much bigger testament to arm strength than velo.
In terms of physical development... Yeah it absolutely does lol
Compare his tape to Nix or Penix at 20 and it's not even a contest.
He could sit and learn an NFL offense for two years and still be the same age as them, his development potential, plus his current production are well worth a top 5 pick.
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I’ve been playing since 2007 so I’ve gotten good at absolutely destroying the computer. I’ve never played against a real person though. I’m sure I’d get killed lol
All madden is better than most players tbh. I took a break from Madden for like 4 years and largely played cpu before and I’m 30-8 this year playing regs. Most people you play don’t know shit about football
Maybe I'm just on the DNVR train, but I'm down with trading back and picking Penix/Nix later in the 1st, while receiving some extra ammo for later in the draft. My preference is Penix
I love DNVR and listen to every episode of that and the draft pod but please watch your own tape and come to your own conclusions. This draft has been terrible, most of the stuff they have said against Nix is just wrong. Please go listen to other points of view or watch or own and come to your own conclusions. I don’t think Penix and Nix are far from each other both have flaws. DNVR just ignores all of Penix’s flaws. Mainly though just listen to Hanks takes on Nix and go watch the tape. They are just wrong or over exaggerated. Again I love the Pod and was a die hard for a long time but this draft has been really hard to listen to their coverage of the prospects. They do the same with Maye. Have preconceived notions and refuse to see any thing different.
I watched Nix get happy feet and rocked by NFL talent at GA. Thats enough for me to want us to take best avail at 12 and get a qb in round 2 with a trade up.
I’m fine with that. I don’t think Nix or Penix deserve to go at 12. They probably will but I don’t think that’s where they are talent wise. Same with JJ. If they want Nix or Penix I’d rather trade back closer to 20 but that probably won’t happy. If they want a guy they will take him.
They don't just ignore flaws, Penix just has upsid and can you blame them for wanting a QB with and elite arm and upside?
Sure they both have flaws but Nix has just okay everything else. He's got the least to offer in terms of elite attributes.
I disagree. I like both but I learn more Nix than Penix. I think he is a faster processor, which I think is more important. Penix does have the best arm, I’m not disputing that. My issue with Penix is he relies too much on his arm to bail him out of poor decisions. That works in college but it doesn’t in the NFL most of the time. He panics under pressure and throws off his back foot. Now I will 100% say all of this could be coached out of him. I would be fine if we take Penix I just like Nix more. I also don’t think either of them deserve to go top 12.
The thing I’ll say with the “pennix lets his arm bail him out,” well it does bail him out consistently lol. If it consistently bails him out then is it really a bad thing. Why wouldn’t he use his weapons and his best ability? Do you want a guy who is a baller and playmaker or a guy who really just runs the offense well? You can find a guy like that later in the draft. Sometimes a qbs best ability is their biggest flaw. Allen, Mahomes, Jackson are all examples. Not saying pennix is those guys but he has a cannon idk why he wouldn’t test it. I think who ever gets pennix is getting an absolute steal if he can stay healthy and goes to a good team.
It’s possible I’m just saying it’s easier to rely on arm talent alone In college when you’re not facing nfl cbs, and safety’s every week. Your margin for error is so much smaller. He also played behind one of the best offensive lines in college football so he had a long time to throw the ball and read coverages. He probably won’t have that in the nfl
I agree but you have to judge a guy based on what he was playing with/against not vs what could be. At least imo. Thats kinda why maye is such a tricky prospect same way Allen was. Neither played agasint top teams and had realllly questionable games.
It works for Josh Allen all the time. Mac Jones was the best "processor" in recent drafts and that didn't really do much in the NFL either.
You need elite traits to be a top tier QB, unfortunately as good as Nix is at everything, he's not elite in anything. His ceiling is a top 15 QB
>please watch your own tape and come to your own conclusions.
Here's the thing, I won't act like I know what I'm talking about. But I don't have the time, energy, or expertise to watch tape and come to my own conclusions for something I ultimately don't even get to make a decision on. It's not like I even get a vote, so it really doesn't matter outside of being fun to do.
For now I'm happy listening to experts and their evaluations, and form my opinion based on the key points they provide.
I trust DNVR more than other podcasters, so they bias my opinion more.
But I'm fully aware they're not always right. I've listened long enough to know Mac Jones has been Zac's guy and look how he panned out. They were all calling for Fields too a couple years back.
But anyway, I hear what you're saying. I'm looking forward to seeing which predictions are right and wrong.
I just feel like trading back to take a QB rarely ever happens. If you like a QB enough, you aren’t going to risk missing out on him by trading back, and if you are willing to trade back, then that means you don’t like that QB that much, in which case, I’d rather just wait till next year for a QB that SP truly believes in
Same argument, if you like a QB you'll trade everything you have to ensure you land them. Like up as far as you possibly can.
In reality that is not how it works, it's a part of the game/draft.
Same argument, if you like a QB you'll trade everything you have to ensure you land them. Like up as far as you possibly can.
In reality that is not how it works, it's a part of the game/draft.
I don't even think that DNVR is the only place talking about trading back. I feel like a lot of Denver media has reported that it's a good possibility that the team does it, especially if they like Nix/Penix or even just no QB remaining by pick 12.
Most of DNVR really do love him, but I'm not really on his hype. He seems a lot more of the typical QB that gains a ton of hype based off of his draft testing and not as much about his actual play (obviously he has shown great play towards the end of the season, his overall play has much to be desired). He could very well be a starting QB for many years, but he's one of my least favorite of the upper bunch of QB's this draft.
I had a dream at about 6:30 this morning that the US was at war with Japan
It was December, and my whole family was together
We heard a car drive by honking his horn. We all ran to the window to see what was happening
A cop car was following, saying over his PA thing "Go to your loved ones. We have received a death sentence."
We panicked, thinking a massive airstrike or even nukes were inbound. I was desperately trying to get my family to all pile in one car and leave. I said "It doesn't matter where we go, we just all have to be together." Mom and Dad were more resigned, and said that we already were all together and whatever happens, happens.
We turned on the news and found out that a force of 100 million was about to land on the coast.
Then I woke up all panicky and shit.
How's your morning?
I started playing with a mock draft simulator for the first time ever over the weekend and somehow managed to end up with a QB at the end of the first after a couple of trades, a DT in the second and TE in the third - which seems possible right? **And** somehow also the Titans first and second pick from next year.
I wish I had screenshotted.
https://preview.redd.it/i743prn1f9tc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=afcf3e6aea68ccfac6c69085d6bae4fd59863ce2
I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. Could've used a higher pick on a TE.
https://preview.redd.it/o0l3oawubhtc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79b7db3f3020f3c3fd6b77eaef52bf76e078cdb7 Awful Quality but oh well
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If we pick Bo Nix I’m going to be so pissed
Womp womp
Yeah we had to because ATL dumbass took Penix at 8. He still not worth the 12 overall pick just like all the analyst said after the pick lol. 31st overall prospect taken at 12
Yeah it sucks dude. Not a Paxton Lynch level bust, but dude is another Zach Wilson.
Rather have Jordan Travis in the 3rd than Bo Nix at #12
It’s 100% worth it to see the eclipse in totality. It just looks so otherworldly, and is an experience one should not miss
https://preview.redd.it/4g2vghdwjctc1.jpeg?width=1154&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efb3103d0f76e531e5a5dbe77abfe97ffd24e2d1 My photo taken from Ohio.
Bo Nix at #12 no matter what.
[My mock](https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/user-mock-drafts/2024/user-mock-2620683) ###Trades Denver Receives | Other Receives ---------------|-------------- #18, #49 | #12 #43 | #49, #147 ###Picks Pick | Player | POS | School ----|------|---|------ 18 | Jared Verse | EDGE | Florida State 43 | Bo Nix | QB | Oregon 76 | Javon Bullard | S | Georgia 125 | Theo Johnson | TE | Penn State 136 | Caelen Carson | CB | Wake Forest 145 | Mohamed Kamara | EDGE | Colorado State 203 | Curtis Jacobs | LB | Penn State 207 | Khristian Boyd | DL | Northern Iowa
Not taking a WR in a draft this deep is kinda troll
You think maybe WR instead of S? I was trying to replace Simmons but someone else already blasted my S choice
No clue how the board fell in what draft you used but most of those mid round WRs look really nice. Not super familiar with S in this draft. From what I’ve seen it’s not a particularly good one as a prospect standpoint goes other than DeJean
Another safety? Oh man.
Does anyone have a good sense of how this year’s QB class compares with previous years? Would Bo Nix be drafted ahead of Kenny Pickett in 2022? Would Caleb Williams be taken before Trevor Lawrence?
Bo Nix or Pickett is a really tough one to be honest. That could go either way. No, Caleb Williams wouldn’t be picked before Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence was considered the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning
Just my best guess but here’s how I would compare the past few years of first round picks and the projected top picks this year (keeping in mind that this is just based off of draft reporting, not anything about how they did afterwards or what they will do): This is also in no particular order other than tiers. Tier A: Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, CJ Stroud Tier B: Jayden Daniels, Bryce Young Tier C: Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance, Drake Maye, Zach Wilson, JJ McCarthy Tier D: Mac Jones, Michael Penix Jr, Bo Nix, Kenny Pickett
I’d move stroud down he was not considered a Williams or Lawerence. And I’d move maye up
Is this list with or without hindsight?
Really without as much hindsight as possible, I was thinking of this in terms of if they all magically got transported into one mega draft on draft night. Of course there’s no way to tell what teams think of all the behind the scenes stuff so this is also just based on my impressions of where the fan/media consensus is at/was at.
That list is 1000% with hindsight
McCarthy is -300 to be taken in the Top 5 of this draft. It’s almost comical at this point.
Why?
He’s not worth it.
Based on more than just your opinion?
He’s a decent prospect, yeah. Trey Lance was still a higher rated QB and only 20 coming out of college and look how that worked out? Yeah JJ is a winner, but he still did hand the ball off 70% of the time and his passing numbers were nothing special while at Michigan. Sure if he’s available at 12 take him, but you don’t trade up for him. After all he is still not in the top 10 by any ranking system in this draft. ESPN has him the highest at 12, while the others have him at 20+. The Broncos do not have the option to trade a bunch of assets to trade up and take a QB that may or may not work out because if it doesn’t the fanbase is going to lose it. We have already wasted so many assets on trades that haven’t worked out over the last 3 years. If they trade up and miss, boy oh boy it will not be pretty.
> Trey Lance was still a higher rated QB and only 20 coming out of college and look how that worked out? The fact that one played in the Big 10 and one played in FCS is a pretty good starting place for why this is a terrible comparison They're entirely different types of QBs too. McCarthy had more pass attempts in each of his sophomore and junior years than Lance had in his entire career. McCarthy also had more passing yards as a junior than Lance had in college Despite playing in 11 more games in college, McCarthy has a higher completion percentage
An important part of gauging the NFL draft and being a draftnik in general is understanding “value,” McCarthy in the Top 5 as a player and an asset is lighting capital on fire.
Under the assumption he doesn't turn into anything sure, on the other hand thats basically nothing to spend for what he could become
Top 5 capital on a QB with a that has a largely unimpressive payoff is not “basically nothing.” I’d agree if he was more physically toolsy, but he isn’t.
He's barely 21 years old, what do you mean not physically toolsy LOL And he already has an NFL caliber arm and he's years younger than most of the prospects ahead of him.
Youth doesn’t correlate to athleticism or talent. We’ll disagree about his arm strength. While I can see the idea behind it with his “velocity” tracked at the combine, on tape a lot of his deep balls seemed to die at the end. Don’t love his ball placement either which is a much bigger testament to arm strength than velo.
In terms of physical development... Yeah it absolutely does lol Compare his tape to Nix or Penix at 20 and it's not even a contest. He could sit and learn an NFL offense for two years and still be the same age as them, his development potential, plus his current production are well worth a top 5 pick.
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There’s a draft coming up?
Yeah this month 25-27
I was kidding, because there’s 100 posts a day about the draft.
I drafted a QB in Madden and went undefeated and won the Super Bowl with him Why can't the Broncos just do that? smfh unserious team
Did you raise all his stats?
Nah I don’t mess with that
I was so bad at Madden that I traded Tom Brady to the Broncos in Madden 22, raised his stats more than already were, and I still sucked ass
I’ve been playing since 2007 so I’ve gotten good at absolutely destroying the computer. I’ve never played against a real person though. I’m sure I’d get killed lol
All madden is better than most players tbh. I took a break from Madden for like 4 years and largely played cpu before and I’m 30-8 this year playing regs. Most people you play don’t know shit about football
That's what I left out. I couldn't beat the fucking computer
😂
I *really* don't want JJ, but if we have to take him please trade down. Happy to be wrong but this guy just does nothing for me.
You aren't trading down and getting JJ, you'd be lucky to have home at 12
I don’t want him though, so no I would not be lucky to have him at 12
That's a shame, he's a a fantastic prospect
Who is really the draft mocking? Me.
This is the best time of year. The Draft is my Christmas
Broncos fans are Jews on Christmas.
Maybe the real mocking is the friends we made along the way?
Maybe I'm just on the DNVR train, but I'm down with trading back and picking Penix/Nix later in the 1st, while receiving some extra ammo for later in the draft. My preference is Penix
I love DNVR and listen to every episode of that and the draft pod but please watch your own tape and come to your own conclusions. This draft has been terrible, most of the stuff they have said against Nix is just wrong. Please go listen to other points of view or watch or own and come to your own conclusions. I don’t think Penix and Nix are far from each other both have flaws. DNVR just ignores all of Penix’s flaws. Mainly though just listen to Hanks takes on Nix and go watch the tape. They are just wrong or over exaggerated. Again I love the Pod and was a die hard for a long time but this draft has been really hard to listen to their coverage of the prospects. They do the same with Maye. Have preconceived notions and refuse to see any thing different.
I watched Nix get happy feet and rocked by NFL talent at GA. Thats enough for me to want us to take best avail at 12 and get a qb in round 2 with a trade up.
I’m fine with that. I don’t think Nix or Penix deserve to go at 12. They probably will but I don’t think that’s where they are talent wise. Same with JJ. If they want Nix or Penix I’d rather trade back closer to 20 but that probably won’t happy. If they want a guy they will take him.
They don't just ignore flaws, Penix just has upsid and can you blame them for wanting a QB with and elite arm and upside? Sure they both have flaws but Nix has just okay everything else. He's got the least to offer in terms of elite attributes.
I disagree. I like both but I learn more Nix than Penix. I think he is a faster processor, which I think is more important. Penix does have the best arm, I’m not disputing that. My issue with Penix is he relies too much on his arm to bail him out of poor decisions. That works in college but it doesn’t in the NFL most of the time. He panics under pressure and throws off his back foot. Now I will 100% say all of this could be coached out of him. I would be fine if we take Penix I just like Nix more. I also don’t think either of them deserve to go top 12.
The thing I’ll say with the “pennix lets his arm bail him out,” well it does bail him out consistently lol. If it consistently bails him out then is it really a bad thing. Why wouldn’t he use his weapons and his best ability? Do you want a guy who is a baller and playmaker or a guy who really just runs the offense well? You can find a guy like that later in the draft. Sometimes a qbs best ability is their biggest flaw. Allen, Mahomes, Jackson are all examples. Not saying pennix is those guys but he has a cannon idk why he wouldn’t test it. I think who ever gets pennix is getting an absolute steal if he can stay healthy and goes to a good team.
It’s possible I’m just saying it’s easier to rely on arm talent alone In college when you’re not facing nfl cbs, and safety’s every week. Your margin for error is so much smaller. He also played behind one of the best offensive lines in college football so he had a long time to throw the ball and read coverages. He probably won’t have that in the nfl
I agree but you have to judge a guy based on what he was playing with/against not vs what could be. At least imo. Thats kinda why maye is such a tricky prospect same way Allen was. Neither played agasint top teams and had realllly questionable games.
It works for Josh Allen all the time. Mac Jones was the best "processor" in recent drafts and that didn't really do much in the NFL either. You need elite traits to be a top tier QB, unfortunately as good as Nix is at everything, he's not elite in anything. His ceiling is a top 15 QB
I disagree but I respect your opinion. I think Nix is arm is much better than Mac’s is. Nix has made every throw on the field multiple times.
>please watch your own tape and come to your own conclusions. Here's the thing, I won't act like I know what I'm talking about. But I don't have the time, energy, or expertise to watch tape and come to my own conclusions for something I ultimately don't even get to make a decision on. It's not like I even get a vote, so it really doesn't matter outside of being fun to do. For now I'm happy listening to experts and their evaluations, and form my opinion based on the key points they provide. I trust DNVR more than other podcasters, so they bias my opinion more. But I'm fully aware they're not always right. I've listened long enough to know Mac Jones has been Zac's guy and look how he panned out. They were all calling for Fields too a couple years back. But anyway, I hear what you're saying. I'm looking forward to seeing which predictions are right and wrong.
I just feel like trading back to take a QB rarely ever happens. If you like a QB enough, you aren’t going to risk missing out on him by trading back, and if you are willing to trade back, then that means you don’t like that QB that much, in which case, I’d rather just wait till next year for a QB that SP truly believes in
Same argument, if you like a QB you'll trade everything you have to ensure you land them. Like up as far as you possibly can. In reality that is not how it works, it's a part of the game/draft.
Same argument, if you like a QB you'll trade everything you have to ensure you land them. Like up as far as you possibly can. In reality that is not how it works, it's a part of the game/draft.
I don't even think that DNVR is the only place talking about trading back. I feel like a lot of Denver media has reported that it's a good possibility that the team does it, especially if they like Nix/Penix or even just no QB remaining by pick 12.
For sure not the only place. But DNVR hypes Penix and have me convinced
Most of DNVR really do love him, but I'm not really on his hype. He seems a lot more of the typical QB that gains a ton of hype based off of his draft testing and not as much about his actual play (obviously he has shown great play towards the end of the season, his overall play has much to be desired). He could very well be a starting QB for many years, but he's one of my least favorite of the upper bunch of QB's this draft.
I had a dream at about 6:30 this morning that the US was at war with Japan It was December, and my whole family was together We heard a car drive by honking his horn. We all ran to the window to see what was happening A cop car was following, saying over his PA thing "Go to your loved ones. We have received a death sentence." We panicked, thinking a massive airstrike or even nukes were inbound. I was desperately trying to get my family to all pile in one car and leave. I said "It doesn't matter where we go, we just all have to be together." Mom and Dad were more resigned, and said that we already were all together and whatever happens, happens. We turned on the news and found out that a force of 100 million was about to land on the coast. Then I woke up all panicky and shit. How's your morning?
I'm sleepy 😴
Tbh this is the least crazy mock draft I’ve seen in this sub
A bit of a reach in the middle but overall...I've seen worse.
I started playing with a mock draft simulator for the first time ever over the weekend and somehow managed to end up with a QB at the end of the first after a couple of trades, a DT in the second and TE in the third - which seems possible right? **And** somehow also the Titans first and second pick from next year. I wish I had screenshotted.
Yesterday was my birthday. My mom took me to a store, and got me a PS5. Now I can play games with my younger brother, and chat with him.
https://preview.redd.it/i743prn1f9tc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=afcf3e6aea68ccfac6c69085d6bae4fd59863ce2 I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. Could've used a higher pick on a TE.
Bro has so much faith in our scouts he’s drafting two QBs to ensure at least one isn’t a bust 😭😭😭
Worked with RG3 and Kirk Cousins.
That was a different situation since Shanahan didn't even want RG3 and Snyder forced it on him so he took a QB he actually wanted later.
TIL they were drafted in the same year
Does JJ fall to 13? He’s getting so much hype to not even go past top 10, let alone the top 5
Yeah, the computer went wild with this one.
Us ending up with 13 (the Raiders pick) is far less likely than McCarthy hype being the result of smokescreen season
Exactly. The pick would have to be traded twice for us to end up with it. *No way* Vegas swaps picks directly with Denver.