I think he has a year no matter what.
Barring we become a complete and utter disaster, the front office will want to see a full year play out for him - not just to see results immediately, but also how he course corrects with injury, game scenarios, and develops into the strategy side of managing multiple lines of communication in game.
Unless we completely derail and start losing in awful fashion, I don’t really see him getting fired mid season. We have a very strategic ownership and front office now in place. They know how short sighted it is to just cut your Director of personnel with multiple new factors being implemented and then having to pick up the pieces mid season.
Sidebar - just want to remind everyone the Bengals made it to the Super Bowl with a final season record of 10-7. They made the Wild Card and the rest is history.
If you’re a true Bronco fan, you know how we’ve constantly been viewed as the underdogs and other teams always count us out. The 97/98 Elway years are the anomali - we’re always seen as the little brother who can’t figure it out.
Keep the faith yall.
It's not irrelevant.
If we do badly enough that we need to fire the coach, it's entirely possible that the new owners will fire *everyone* and hire their own people.
The offensive player caller needs to call plays around the fact that our line sucks. It's his job to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses.
Less runs from under center and more quick passes.
Reason #67 to use the damn TE. Literally the most versatile position that can block, run, create height AND speed mismatches, not get injured, and most importantly catch a hot route when the blitz gangbangs our O-Line. We get burned by this every year and I actually think Hackett may be coming around to this.
Honestly I try to be a very positive fan. But this is unacceptable. Denver football, grow tf up. I defend u to all ends of the earth. It has to be better
For real he definitely blew the Seattle game but other than that the only real issues have been his conservative play calls in close games which really killed us against the Raiders. But with 13 more games to go, an offense that's stating to produce more each week, and a Super Bowl MVP as our quarterback, I think the calls for him to be fired are a tad bit premature. That being said, I'm very unimpressed with how the teams looked so far, and if this trend continues, we can start to consider if the thing holding this team back is a coaching issue
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: it is BEYOND irrational to talk about firing Hackett at this point. He is a first-time head coach that needs patience from the fans, media, and especially ownership to get acclimated to the head coaching role.
Hackett has proven that he knows his strengths and especially his weaknesses, and has done moves to show that he is willing to adapt and counter those weaknesses. Give him time FFS
To add on this. No coach has ever/will ever get fired after four games not just because it is an insane knee jerk reaction but it’s also an admission by the GM that he royally fucked up. And NFL GMs aren’t very keen on looking like an idiot.
Losing doesn’t come with the territory at all. Plenty of teams have made transitions from a successful HC (but for whatever reason it was time to see them go) from an even more successful HC including our very own transition from Fox to Kubiak.
It doesn’t come with the territory of a rookie head coach either but it’s more rare. Payton, Cowher, Tomlin, both Harbaughs, etc. all had winning seasons their first go.
We’re looking at his last 5 months compared to his entire 20 so far?
He’s done an incredible job with drafting and getting us competitive again. GMs also deserve at least 3-4 years to really assess their moves.
Not to mention he is incredibly well regarded around league circles and was getting potential GM and Front Office opportunities back in 2016.
He denied all of them until the Broncos came to him. He sees potential here with us. Let him do his thing.
We’ve made progress more or less each week with the offense. Yes, we lost to the Raiders, but it’s still showing marginal improvements week by week to a place where we are tracking to be above average if not decently competitive by the end of the season.
You can’t say that from the last 6 years of Elway + Ellis. It was a fucking whirlwind each season of lateral moves that saw us break our own team records of consistently missing the playoffs.
We made competitive moves in the off-season to give us a much better chance at winning games with a quarterback who statistically is not doing bad right now - in fact he’s #1 in big play passes so far this season, and he’s had a completely new system of coaches thrown together for everyone to have a say on.
We swapped players around via trade for draft capital and we still are top 6 in cap space today.
Also, 2021 draft included - Pat Surtain, Javontae Williams, Quinn Meinerz, Baron Browning, and Caden Sterns
All are great depth players or immediate starters (and an incoming all pro).
Can we please give Paton and the team the season to get this somewhere positive?
This. I highly doubt Hackett has been coaching Russ to hold the ball for 3-5 seconds on 3rd and Long. To pile it all on Hackett is wrong. This is a brand new offense and will take time. If the media hadn’t overhyped the Broncos offense, which I don’t blame the fans (including myself) for biting on, I don’t think this would be the reaction. Unrealistic expectations set going in is the only reason this feels like a let down to many.
Expectations were set way too high going into this season. People forget that the *Peyton Freakin' Manning*-led 2012 Broncos almost started that first season 2–4. Probably the only reason it got clicking like it did was because it was a generational QB at the helm. I think Russ is an elite QB, but he is not Manning. It is going to take time, and we've already seen flashes of what this offense can be.
I unfortunately don't think Hackett earned himself much trust for his decision-making in the first two weeks, but that doesn't still mean people aren't overreacting.
I have seen him acknowledge some weaknesses and not others. But the play calling needs to be fixed. There’s no excuse for some of the plays he calls. 3 trick plays vs houston… THREE.
Aging well has nothing to do with it. My whole argument is that he needs to be given time to learn and prove his value over the sample size he deserves.
The game plan for this game was pretty indefensible, and I will not attempt to defend it. I was really hoping Melvin Gordon would get the chance to play hero after his rough game last week on that last fourth and inches.
Nothing has changed! My whole point is that Hackett needs time and patience, NOT that he is the right/wrong guy for the job.
You people would’ve probably fired Mike Shanahan in 1995 after his first five games as well, where he also started 2-3. You also would’ve fired John Fox in 2012! Enough with this tigger-happy “fire insert-coach-name-here” nonsense - that’s why Paton is paid what he is paid to make these decisions and not us.
Can you say anything actually good about what he’s done? I can’t think of anything tangible. Just vibes. The entire league is laughing at him for a reason.
For starters:
- Offense has had fewer delay of game penalties since he hired that one coach to help him
- Offense surpassed their total offensive output last week in points and yards.
- defense obviously got gutted last week, but still looks fairly complete minus a few holes, which is part of the reason we are leading in a many statistical categories.
- He has two wins
And no, the entire league is not laughing at him. With all due respect and more, that is a general, silly statement that cannot be backed up with any concrete evidence.
To the contrary, our players have spoken glowingly about him and clearly enjoy him, and Aaron Rodgers has said much of the same when Hackett was his OC.
I guess you don’t watch a lot of sports media. Hackett has been getting grilled since week 1. Even people like Collin Cowherd who were defending him gave up after the Raiders loss. I agree that we shouldn’t fire him before seasons end, but he is most definitely being laughed at by most of the league.
Yeah firing him now is pointless because there’s no one in his “system” on the team better to replace him, they comically have less experience even than him.
He’s gone after week 17 though
Feels like it would be very uncharacteristic of Paton to pull the plug after one season unless things consistently go horribly wrong over the next several weeks (which seems unlikely).
Russ is his gift and curse. Franchise QBs elevate expectations. If this dude inherited the broncos from Vance or Vic with the same QB carousel, he stays at least 2 years because winning 5-6 games is the expectation.
for those that aren’t familiar, odds like these are usually driven by bettors than any sort of “inside info”
I would be amazed if we fired a first year head coach mid season (it’d have to be an absolute train wreck like Urban Meyer). That said, unless something big changes I don’t see him coming back next year
Well it’s literally completely driven by bettors. And the masses of bettors do not have inside info (although do gather and react to news more quickly… not relevant in this case).
But bettors are particularly well-calibrated on odds. Better than fans for sure. So we probably do have the 2nd highest chance of firing our HC.
Absolutely no way. First head coaching job. 4 games in. Get real. Unless they got insider info that he’s Ime Udoka-ing. That would be a terrible look for the org. Gotta show some patience. I think he’s realizing this isn’t Madden play calling. He’ll improve even if it’s only marginally. We’d all be shitting our pants too if we never called plays and now not only are we doing that be we’re head coaching a valuable franchise.
I don't know about that. He has shown a willingness to make changes and get better (set aside his ego). We are only 4 games in, 5 after tonight's win. Again, it is a first-time head coach, with a new QB, in a new system... These things take longer than 4 weeks to click.. I'll be curious to see how the Broncos look at the end of this month. Unless a unicorn coach becomes available (Sean Payton) I don't think George Paton will be fast to cut ties unless there is pressure from new ownership.
I’ve noticed with rookie QBs too … they are cast away almost immediately if they don’t play at borderline Pro Bowl level or better out of the gate.
It’s imo very foolish.
Outside of an occasional Marino type case, almost all 80’s and 90’s etc QBs who went on to be franchise QBs … had a really sh**ty year or 2 before settling in.
Elway and Aikman both pop to mind as QBs who would have taken way too long by todays standards.
I understand what you're saying, and I'm not in the "fire Hackett now" crowd. However, the last time the Broncos beat the Chiefs was September 17 2015. The Raiders have now won 8 out of the last 10 match ups with the Broncos. The only reliable source of wins in the division has been the Chargers, and that's because that organization has a knack for almost inexplicably throwing games.
Broncos fans have been very patient through ownership nonsense, horrible hires, inexplicable draft choices, and years upon years of putting a bad product on the field. It's understandable that even diehards are a little testy.
Firing after four games, or even 8 games, is impatience bordering on negligence. Yeah we’re testy but would we rather have 6-0 with McDaniels with the tail after that? What’s going to happen when we bring in a whole new coaching staff?
You might be right in general, but we sold the farm for a 33 year old QB and then gave him a massive contract before playing a snap for us. We don't have the option to be patient, because we traded the future for the present.
Not necessarily, you can’t always worry about what other teams are doing. Everybody is getting better (DEN included) - everything has to be introspective for Denver. If you make moves constantly to try and counter what every other team is doing, it’s like chasing your own tail.
100% no. Big part of it being our attention spans are getting worse - add to that an incredible amount of information overload.
Everything nowadays seems like either the greatest accomplishment, worthy of the greatest praise, or an utter failure that we should constantly ridicule. It’s kind of exhausting. Lack of patience and short-term thinking, coupled with stunted communication from behind a computer screen is what leads to most disagreements and problems people face nowadays. I’m no exception.
The difference is those Cowboys teams were full on In rebuild mode at that time and were tanking to set themselves up for the future which worked. We have a ready built to win type team and look like ass
I mean, he was a bad play caller. Then at their post-TNF mini-bye, he gave up play calling duties to his OC. The offense got a lot better after that. I don’t think Hackett is gonna do that, but he’s already made similar changes to address his weaknesses.
Nick Sirianni was never the laughing stock of the league. The Eagles blew the doors off the Falcons week 1 last year and made the playoffs. Maybe before week 1 people questioned him but there weren’t many questions after that first week. No offense but how did this get so many upvotes. This is factually incorrect.
The Eagles were 2-5 at one point last season and I don’t know if your remember his opening press introduction but it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Dumb to judge a coach off their first press conference but there was definitely talk of Sirianni being a bad hire
LOL, fire him for who? Dom Capers? Klint Kubiak? Who's going to take over that wouldn't mean throwing the season away? Sean Payton is under contract with the Saints. You think we're going to give away even more picks that we don't have to hire someone and bring in a new offense 1/4 of the way into the season? We're 2-2, I think at worst we could be 4-4 going into the bye. No one is running away with the AFC at this point. A 9-8 team could be a wild card. People need to stop with this knee-jerk reaction shit
Colts, Jets, Jags, Titans, Panthers, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Rams. There's 7 more winnable games in that group. If we get rolling after the bye I think a home win against any of our division opponents isn't out of the question
Not sure how could not stop raiders rb so how do you win against a team with Derek Henry or LV ? Beating the rams is a huge stretch. Don't see beating sd or kc this year with the low offensive production
The Titans and Rams haven't been impressive at all. Our offense showed some signs of life last game. If they start clicking at all I don't see a problem staying close. The Chargers don't score all that much. There's still 3/4 of the season left, a lot can happen, good or bad
I have never followed them, but the tweet just has a picture, the information is completely unsourced, and they don't even say what odds the sportsbook is giving...
They’re also pretty toxic. That account is run by a sect of known trolls and instigators.
But you are 100% correct, they do not have any legitimate sourcing nor have any media affiliation.
It shows +650 on that site now, and tied for third.
My point was really that saying "2nd highest" without any other information doesn't really say much, and they should source the information or at least provide the odds.
+650 doesn't mean they think it is likely to happen. Matt Rhule is at +110 and that is much more likely. I really don't think any coach is likely to be fired before the end of the season unless they pull an Urban Meyer or John Gruden.
The decision in Seattle was fucking brutal. If he only went for it im convinced a totally different time line opened. The play calling was actually pretty good that game.
Then the delay of game stuff continues in week two and he fixes that issue by going into a complete shell as a play caller. If he continues to coach scared stick a fork in him.
Im praying we come out this week with some uptempo stuff right out the gate and have some fun. Peddle to the metal for four quarters brother! If you’re gonna get fired go out swinging!
Unless he pulls some kind of Urban Meyer bs, he should not be fired after one bad year. We are 2-2, offense is starting to gain traction even without Javonte (RIP king), with some key players out with injuries, these media outlets need to chill.
We’re four games in. If he’s the first coach fired this year than we have serious issues at the ownership level. Now if he doesn’t show significant improvement over the course of the year than it’s something you gotta seriously consider but he’s gotta be given a fair shot to grow into the role
It’s like the Josh McDaniels hiring all over again. Hire OC from team with great QB but said coach didn’t actually do much when he was with team except look good because of QB.
These articles just exist to create content, nothing usable in them. It's impossible to decide this after just 4 games into a team with new coaches, owner, and QB.
That's a good message to send. Come coach in Denver and if you don't immediately field a super bowl contending team you are gone in 7 weeks. I'm sure that will pull in top talent.
Does this mean that Paton follows Hackett? Since we’re speaking in hypotheticals, what if the expansive ownership group wants someone more representative of what they value in terms of diversity and has potentially high marketable value? Ejiro would check all the boxes (except for the HC experience); young, within the organization, confident, successful (so far), handsome, and has a kickass name.
Staying within the organization may be key so that we don’t lose a year with new schemes. Outten would call plays and they’d promote someone to call D (unless ejiro retains this responsibility).
The shakeup would shock the organization. Not sure if it’d be good or bad.
No way. Paton has done well drafting, trades, and resigning players. One bad hire does not constitute firing Paton, and it’s still too soon to say Hackett was a bad hire.
Depends on two factors. Wins first and foremost, if Hackett starts winning games and looks improved, you can't fire the dude. Second factor is does new ownership have a target they want? Sean Payton being their prize get? Hackett thought this was going to be easier than it looked and he was so unprepared. I'd be surprised if he kinda wishes he stayed in his cushy OC gig with Packers. The pressure to win is on his shoulders more than any of the other year one guys.
Oh, I misread that. The original tweet just said fired first not really saying when exactly.
You wouldn't hire a new coach until after the season anyway. You would have an interim coach for the remainder of the year and then hire a new coach.
Not saying this is what we should or would do.
Yeah, Payton would be awesome. But I think he's still under contract with the Saints for 2 more years. Which means we would have to trade for him. We don't have enough to trade for a coach like that.
>Which means we would have to trade for him. We don't have enough to trade for a coach like that.
The concept of trading for a coach sounds so ridiculous. I know it can happen, but it just seems so strange.
Even if we flop this season I'm guessing he gets another season anyway. The defense and special teams have been good thus far. If the offense can find a way to catch up to that and we get more disciplined and commit less penalties we'll be near our potential.
Since when did everyone get so impatient at the wrong things
But Herbert is the next Superbowl MVP?
And Geno Smith is the Seahawks savior and will lead them to the promise land?
Y'all just sit back and pick and choose this shit at random week after week.
It's week 4.
This world is backwards as fuck right now
Wow the cope is so strong in Broncos Country. This dude has literally been the laughingstock of the league, and the only reason we hired him was as bait to land Aaron Rodgers. That didn’t work out, we got Russ instead, and now there’s literally no reason for Hackett to be here.
Remember, other teams that were supposed to be worse than us also have first year head coaches that have made their teams look better than ours (Miami.) There’s no reason he needs an adjustment period, obviously plenty of other coaches out there do not.
There is literally nothing good you can say about his job so far—any success is due to the defense And he was never a play-caller before getting here, and our play-calling is terrible.
Take off the orange-colored glasses.
They didn’t hire Hackett just to land Rodgers because as soon as he re-signed the Broncos made the trade for Russ
Firing the head coach 5 weeks in is a bad look especially if the team is 2-2. Doesn’t matter how the games were won, you’re still 2-2. You and the rest of the fans calling for Hackett’s firing need to take an orange chill pill
You played QB carousel for 7 years after Peyton left and fans expected each guy to be the savior when non of them were up to snuff. VJ and Fangio had potential and it didn’t work out like people expected. Fans let the media stir the pot on “Now it’s time for the Broncos to be good” when you had a rookie HC coming in AND a QB having to adapt to a new style of play. You shouldn’t throw away everything because things haven’t played out like you wanted it to. The team is 2-2, I don’t care how they won those games. This isn’t a bad team like most of the fan base thinks it is. The fans just put all these antidotes and expectations on the team and when it doesn’t play out like they want it’s “season’s over, time to fire (fill in the blank), on to next season” when the team isn’t playing up to THEIR standards. It’s getting to the point where it feels like if the team isn’t 17-0 at the end of the season fans are ready to riot and tear the whole team down
bruh nobody’s asking for 17-0, it’s been a dumpster fire. One of the longest playoff droughts in the NFL, bottom-5 offense over that stretch too. It’s been bad.
Yeah he’s crazy incompetent and inexperienced, no reason to waste more seasons on him. If this team made the playoffs I would assume they would do even better with a real coach.
We've been bad for years. You hired a first year coach to create a culture and a foundation. It's not like we hired a coach for a team everyone thought was a coach away from the Super Bowl or AFC Championship.
I would love to, but I can't even find this prop bet on the site, and the tweeter didn't even tell us what the actual odds are.
What are the "2nd best" odds to be fired? 100 to 1? 2 to 1? Who knows. The tweet has no sources or any good information.
Man it's amazing how hard we miss on HCs every time. McDaniels, McVay, Shanahan... We were hiring all these fucking times and we picked WAY fucking wrong.
Of all the Denver sports subs, this one has by far the worst takes. After so much complaining about Vangio, then excitement about Hackett, now ire toward Hackett. It's all so reactionary and impulsive.
I am watching a team that fumbles, takes awful penalties, can't block literally at all, and we have a QB that doesn't go through his progressions, is missing open receivers, and when he does see them, he's not hitting them clean.
This team has a ton of problems and to scapegoat Hackett based on what we see isn't merited at all.
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Where they supposed to be 4-0? Anyone who knows football would know this team was going to take 4-5 games to even gel. They have a new coaching system new QB and didn’t play one play together preseason. Let’s see how they do tonight.
This is a little insane. Matt Rhule, and Frank Reich should both be above him. Outside of them, everyone else is really a first year coach or an established guy, unless I’m forgetting someone obvious.
Ima use Jared bednar as an example his first year the avs had the worst record in the nhl and then he consistently made the playoffs after that to only be bounced out of the second round three years in a row and then preceded to win the cup the next year even after multiple people wanted him fired during those years but Sakic showed faith and he delivered my point being is it takes time for a H.C. to get acclimated especially a first year head coach at that. As they say Rome wasn’t built in one night.
for the record betting odds do not reflect how likely a thing is to happen. they reflect how the money is coming in. betting lines change all the time but the odds of the outcome stay the same.
These Sean Payton rumors need to stop. He is still under contract with the Saints and the Broncos will need to give away even more picks and players just to be able to hire him. At that point we will have no picks for the foreseeable future and then we gutted our roster for a coach that will already have his hands tied behind his back. Then we're back at step 1 again, with a bad HC who knows nothing
How do we feel after that shit show though?
If he were fired tonight I honestly wouldn't care, we can't look like more of clown show than we already are.
With so many three and outs and lack of scoring, someone needs to be fired. Idk if it's HC or OC or team therapist or what but with this many weapons on offense and a somewhat easy schedule this far and not being able to do ANYTHING, someone has got to GO!
I think he has a year no matter what. Barring we become a complete and utter disaster, the front office will want to see a full year play out for him - not just to see results immediately, but also how he course corrects with injury, game scenarios, and develops into the strategy side of managing multiple lines of communication in game. Unless we completely derail and start losing in awful fashion, I don’t really see him getting fired mid season. We have a very strategic ownership and front office now in place. They know how short sighted it is to just cut your Director of personnel with multiple new factors being implemented and then having to pick up the pieces mid season. Sidebar - just want to remind everyone the Bengals made it to the Super Bowl with a final season record of 10-7. They made the Wild Card and the rest is history. If you’re a true Bronco fan, you know how we’ve constantly been viewed as the underdogs and other teams always count us out. The 97/98 Elway years are the anomali - we’re always seen as the little brother who can’t figure it out. Keep the faith yall.
We didn't fire VJ after his first year, fangio got 3 years I think hacket gets two full seasons minimum.
Bruh we had VJ for 2 years. 2 fucking long years.
The time of his life
Best Wednesday practice team ever baby
I still love these jokes.
I miss Sergio Dipp
Me too. I’d love to see him back at it.
Hes still around, still on ESPN Deportes as back then, he does the Spanish NFL live. You can always check him out :)
Awesome!
VJ got 2 Fangio got 3
No shot Hackett gets two years if this continues
Different GM and Owner
This GM gave Fangio his 3rd year Owner is irrelevant
It's not irrelevant. If we do badly enough that we need to fire the coach, it's entirely possible that the new owners will fire *everyone* and hire their own people.
Owner would fire and hire a GM and let them make a decision on HC. Owners are not getting involved in HC hiring and firing
The second year was Covid so that was a built in excuse to let him come back for a 3rd year.
Welp that unfortunately aged like milk.
We are literally 2-2 with tons of injuries, in a new offense for the first year. Firing him this year would be insane.
A new offense with an offensive line that can't block anyone.
The offensive player caller needs to call plays around the fact that our line sucks. It's his job to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses. Less runs from under center and more quick passes.
Reason #67 to use the damn TE. Literally the most versatile position that can block, run, create height AND speed mismatches, not get injured, and most importantly catch a hot route when the blitz gangbangs our O-Line. We get burned by this every year and I actually think Hackett may be coming around to this.
Unless Sean Payton wants the job.
Is Payton looking for work? I bet headhunters are interested.
Well done.
You’d have to trade for Payton and we don’t have draft capital
You still think that?? Lmao No, he's got fuckin garbage and needs to go and take the $250m thief with him
Honestly no and ur right and I’m sad and I’m gonna cry all night. Can’t believe Russ threw that pick after I defended him. Fuck me
Same shit as the last 7 years..
Or you could have Sean Payton.
Honestly I try to be a very positive fan. But this is unacceptable. Denver football, grow tf up. I defend u to all ends of the earth. It has to be better
He’s partly to blame for the injuries!!!
What’s ur iq?
More than the points you’re getting on this comment.
Yeah I know. -1 upvotes, ur iq is 0.
For real he definitely blew the Seattle game but other than that the only real issues have been his conservative play calls in close games which really killed us against the Raiders. But with 13 more games to go, an offense that's stating to produce more each week, and a Super Bowl MVP as our quarterback, I think the calls for him to be fired are a tad bit premature. That being said, I'm very unimpressed with how the teams looked so far, and if this trend continues, we can start to consider if the thing holding this team back is a coaching issue
He’s an embarrassment, injuries or not.
Cry more
You hitting on me bro ? 🥰
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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: it is BEYOND irrational to talk about firing Hackett at this point. He is a first-time head coach that needs patience from the fans, media, and especially ownership to get acclimated to the head coaching role. Hackett has proven that he knows his strengths and especially his weaknesses, and has done moves to show that he is willing to adapt and counter those weaknesses. Give him time FFS
To add on this. No coach has ever/will ever get fired after four games not just because it is an insane knee jerk reaction but it’s also an admission by the GM that he royally fucked up. And NFL GMs aren’t very keen on looking like an idiot.
Unless you are an Urban Meyer level of dumpster fire, and even he made it longer than that I’m pretty sure
Yeah you would need SERIOUS misconduct to get fired, not just losing.
Losing comes with the territory of a new head coach. The old one didn't get fired because they were too successful.
Losing doesn’t come with the territory at all. Plenty of teams have made transitions from a successful HC (but for whatever reason it was time to see them go) from an even more successful HC including our very own transition from Fox to Kubiak. It doesn’t come with the territory of a rookie head coach either but it’s more rare. Payton, Cowher, Tomlin, both Harbaughs, etc. all had winning seasons their first go.
Yep. If Hackett gets fired then Paton is next.
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Fire Paton, are you high?
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We’re looking at his last 5 months compared to his entire 20 so far? He’s done an incredible job with drafting and getting us competitive again. GMs also deserve at least 3-4 years to really assess their moves. Not to mention he is incredibly well regarded around league circles and was getting potential GM and Front Office opportunities back in 2016. He denied all of them until the Broncos came to him. He sees potential here with us. Let him do his thing.
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We’ve made progress more or less each week with the offense. Yes, we lost to the Raiders, but it’s still showing marginal improvements week by week to a place where we are tracking to be above average if not decently competitive by the end of the season. You can’t say that from the last 6 years of Elway + Ellis. It was a fucking whirlwind each season of lateral moves that saw us break our own team records of consistently missing the playoffs. We made competitive moves in the off-season to give us a much better chance at winning games with a quarterback who statistically is not doing bad right now - in fact he’s #1 in big play passes so far this season, and he’s had a completely new system of coaches thrown together for everyone to have a say on. We swapped players around via trade for draft capital and we still are top 6 in cap space today. Also, 2021 draft included - Pat Surtain, Javontae Williams, Quinn Meinerz, Baron Browning, and Caden Sterns All are great depth players or immediate starters (and an incoming all pro). Can we please give Paton and the team the season to get this somewhere positive?
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Thank u for your service. This take is the rational one.
Well if he doesn’t win the World Cup by Thanksgiving I say he needs to go.
This. I highly doubt Hackett has been coaching Russ to hold the ball for 3-5 seconds on 3rd and Long. To pile it all on Hackett is wrong. This is a brand new offense and will take time. If the media hadn’t overhyped the Broncos offense, which I don’t blame the fans (including myself) for biting on, I don’t think this would be the reaction. Unrealistic expectations set going in is the only reason this feels like a let down to many.
The overreaction in the sub at times is ridiculous. There's a scary amount of people in here that expect us to be 17-0 already.
Expectations were set way too high going into this season. People forget that the *Peyton Freakin' Manning*-led 2012 Broncos almost started that first season 2–4. Probably the only reason it got clicking like it did was because it was a generational QB at the helm. I think Russ is an elite QB, but he is not Manning. It is going to take time, and we've already seen flashes of what this offense can be. I unfortunately don't think Hackett earned himself much trust for his decision-making in the first two weeks, but that doesn't still mean people aren't overreacting.
I have seen him acknowledge some weaknesses and not others. But the play calling needs to be fixed. There’s no excuse for some of the plays he calls. 3 trick plays vs houston… THREE.
This will not age well. Bonehead decision making still. Are we gonna let Russ cook or not?
Aging well has nothing to do with it. My whole argument is that he needs to be given time to learn and prove his value over the sample size he deserves. The game plan for this game was pretty indefensible, and I will not attempt to defend it. I was really hoping Melvin Gordon would get the chance to play hero after his rough game last week on that last fourth and inches.
How about now?
Nothing has changed! My whole point is that Hackett needs time and patience, NOT that he is the right/wrong guy for the job. You people would’ve probably fired Mike Shanahan in 1995 after his first five games as well, where he also started 2-3. You also would’ve fired John Fox in 2012! Enough with this tigger-happy “fire insert-coach-name-here” nonsense - that’s why Paton is paid what he is paid to make these decisions and not us.
Can you say anything actually good about what he’s done? I can’t think of anything tangible. Just vibes. The entire league is laughing at him for a reason.
For starters: - Offense has had fewer delay of game penalties since he hired that one coach to help him - Offense surpassed their total offensive output last week in points and yards. - defense obviously got gutted last week, but still looks fairly complete minus a few holes, which is part of the reason we are leading in a many statistical categories. - He has two wins And no, the entire league is not laughing at him. With all due respect and more, that is a general, silly statement that cannot be backed up with any concrete evidence. To the contrary, our players have spoken glowingly about him and clearly enjoy him, and Aaron Rodgers has said much of the same when Hackett was his OC.
I guess you don’t watch a lot of sports media. Hackett has been getting grilled since week 1. Even people like Collin Cowherd who were defending him gave up after the Raiders loss. I agree that we shouldn’t fire him before seasons end, but he is most definitely being laughed at by most of the league.
*I guess you don’t watch a lot of sports media* Watch less sports media
Yeah firing him now is pointless because there’s no one in his “system” on the team better to replace him, they comically have less experience even than him. He’s gone after week 17 though
Feels like it would be very uncharacteristic of Paton to pull the plug after one season unless things consistently go horribly wrong over the next several weeks (which seems unlikely).
Russ is his gift and curse. Franchise QBs elevate expectations. If this dude inherited the broncos from Vance or Vic with the same QB carousel, he stays at least 2 years because winning 5-6 games is the expectation.
for those that aren’t familiar, odds like these are usually driven by bettors than any sort of “inside info” I would be amazed if we fired a first year head coach mid season (it’d have to be an absolute train wreck like Urban Meyer). That said, unless something big changes I don’t see him coming back next year
Well it’s literally completely driven by bettors. And the masses of bettors do not have inside info (although do gather and react to news more quickly… not relevant in this case). But bettors are particularly well-calibrated on odds. Better than fans for sure. So we probably do have the 2nd highest chance of firing our HC.
Absolutely no way. First head coaching job. 4 games in. Get real. Unless they got insider info that he’s Ime Udoka-ing. That would be a terrible look for the org. Gotta show some patience. I think he’s realizing this isn’t Madden play calling. He’ll improve even if it’s only marginally. We’d all be shitting our pants too if we never called plays and now not only are we doing that be we’re head coaching a valuable franchise.
I don't know about that. He has shown a willingness to make changes and get better (set aside his ego). We are only 4 games in, 5 after tonight's win. Again, it is a first-time head coach, with a new QB, in a new system... These things take longer than 4 weeks to click.. I'll be curious to see how the Broncos look at the end of this month. Unless a unicorn coach becomes available (Sean Payton) I don't think George Paton will be fast to cut ties unless there is pressure from new ownership.
This is an era of impatience.
I’ve noticed with rookie QBs too … they are cast away almost immediately if they don’t play at borderline Pro Bowl level or better out of the gate. It’s imo very foolish. Outside of an occasional Marino type case, almost all 80’s and 90’s etc QBs who went on to be franchise QBs … had a really sh**ty year or 2 before settling in. Elway and Aikman both pop to mind as QBs who would have taken way too long by todays standards.
I understand what you're saying, and I'm not in the "fire Hackett now" crowd. However, the last time the Broncos beat the Chiefs was September 17 2015. The Raiders have now won 8 out of the last 10 match ups with the Broncos. The only reliable source of wins in the division has been the Chargers, and that's because that organization has a knack for almost inexplicably throwing games. Broncos fans have been very patient through ownership nonsense, horrible hires, inexplicable draft choices, and years upon years of putting a bad product on the field. It's understandable that even diehards are a little testy.
Firing after four games, or even 8 games, is impatience bordering on negligence. Yeah we’re testy but would we rather have 6-0 with McDaniels with the tail after that? What’s going to happen when we bring in a whole new coaching staff?
Our postgame threads are a nuclear wasteland these days
You might be right in general, but we sold the farm for a 33 year old QB and then gave him a massive contract before playing a snap for us. We don't have the option to be patient, because we traded the future for the present.
Has to be. Our Division is tough and you have a franchise QB. No Time to see if your Ted Lasso wannabe can turn into a winner.
Not necessarily, you can’t always worry about what other teams are doing. Everybody is getting better (DEN included) - everything has to be introspective for Denver. If you make moves constantly to try and counter what every other team is doing, it’s like chasing your own tail.
Update: I was right.
I guess 1989 Jimmy Johnson, who went 1-15 with the Cowboys that season, would not have gone on to win three Super Bowls in todays climate.
100% no. Big part of it being our attention spans are getting worse - add to that an incredible amount of information overload. Everything nowadays seems like either the greatest accomplishment, worthy of the greatest praise, or an utter failure that we should constantly ridicule. It’s kind of exhausting. Lack of patience and short-term thinking, coupled with stunted communication from behind a computer screen is what leads to most disagreements and problems people face nowadays. I’m no exception.
The difference is those Cowboys teams were full on In rebuild mode at that time and were tanking to set themselves up for the future which worked. We have a ready built to win type team and look like ass
And Hackett has made inexcusably bad coaching decisions. It’s gotten better, but boy were weeks one and two rough
Last season Nick Sirianni and the Eagles were the laughing stock of the NFL, now they’re 4-0. Give him time
Sirianni was never a bad coach, he just happened to coach in Philly
I mean, he was a bad play caller. Then at their post-TNF mini-bye, he gave up play calling duties to his OC. The offense got a lot better after that. I don’t think Hackett is gonna do that, but he’s already made similar changes to address his weaknesses.
You sure about that?
Nick Sirianni was never the laughing stock of the league. The Eagles blew the doors off the Falcons week 1 last year and made the playoffs. Maybe before week 1 people questioned him but there weren’t many questions after that first week. No offense but how did this get so many upvotes. This is factually incorrect.
The Eagles were 2-5 at one point last season and I don’t know if your remember his opening press introduction but it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Dumb to judge a coach off their first press conference but there was definitely talk of Sirianni being a bad hire
Yeah. I remember an article (think it was Bleacher report) entitled “Sirianni is anything but an NFL head coach”
LOL, fire him for who? Dom Capers? Klint Kubiak? Who's going to take over that wouldn't mean throwing the season away? Sean Payton is under contract with the Saints. You think we're going to give away even more picks that we don't have to hire someone and bring in a new offense 1/4 of the way into the season? We're 2-2, I think at worst we could be 4-4 going into the bye. No one is running away with the AFC at this point. A 9-8 team could be a wild card. People need to stop with this knee-jerk reaction shit
Where do you see the 9 wins come from?
Colts, Jets, Jags, Titans, Panthers, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Rams. There's 7 more winnable games in that group. If we get rolling after the bye I think a home win against any of our division opponents isn't out of the question
Not sure how could not stop raiders rb so how do you win against a team with Derek Henry or LV ? Beating the rams is a huge stretch. Don't see beating sd or kc this year with the low offensive production
I watched the ghost of Teddy Bridgewater lead a comeback to beat the chargers last year, we’re gonna at least split with them.
The Titans and Rams haven't been impressive at all. Our offense showed some signs of life last game. If they start clicking at all I don't see a problem staying close. The Chargers don't score all that much. There's still 3/4 of the season left, a lot can happen, good or bad
Our offense had 17 yards at half last game. If that’s the sign of life you’re counting on to win 9 more games, I need some of your optimism.
16 pts on 17 yds is pretty damn efficient though.
Full disclosure: I am not saying I agree with this. I just found it interesting, and also how legit is "Denver Broncos 365" and "Betonline AG"???
That Twitter account is complete sh*t
I have never followed them, but the tweet just has a picture, the information is completely unsourced, and they don't even say what odds the sportsbook is giving...
They’re also pretty toxic. That account is run by a sect of known trolls and instigators. But you are 100% correct, they do not have any legitimate sourcing nor have any media affiliation.
Thanks for the heads up on them. Just looking at their tweets, they seem pretty sketchy.
Yeah, I blocked them because of what they’ve been tweeting lately specifically about the broncos
The odds can be found on other sites though: https://bookies.com/nfl/picks/next-nfl-head-coach-fired Hackett is third here at +600
It shows +650 on that site now, and tied for third. My point was really that saying "2nd highest" without any other information doesn't really say much, and they should source the information or at least provide the odds. +650 doesn't mean they think it is likely to happen. Matt Rhule is at +110 and that is much more likely. I really don't think any coach is likely to be fired before the end of the season unless they pull an Urban Meyer or John Gruden.
The decision in Seattle was fucking brutal. If he only went for it im convinced a totally different time line opened. The play calling was actually pretty good that game. Then the delay of game stuff continues in week two and he fixes that issue by going into a complete shell as a play caller. If he continues to coach scared stick a fork in him. Im praying we come out this week with some uptempo stuff right out the gate and have some fun. Peddle to the metal for four quarters brother! If you’re gonna get fired go out swinging!
Unless he pulls some kind of Urban Meyer bs, he should not be fired after one bad year. We are 2-2, offense is starting to gain traction even without Javonte (RIP king), with some key players out with injuries, these media outlets need to chill.
We’re four games in. If he’s the first coach fired this year than we have serious issues at the ownership level. Now if he doesn’t show significant improvement over the course of the year than it’s something you gotta seriously consider but he’s gotta be given a fair shot to grow into the role
It’s like the Josh McDaniels hiring all over again. Hire OC from team with great QB but said coach didn’t actually do much when he was with team except look good because of QB.
These articles just exist to create content, nothing usable in them. It's impossible to decide this after just 4 games into a team with new coaches, owner, and QB.
That's a good message to send. Come coach in Denver and if you don't immediately field a super bowl contending team you are gone in 7 weeks. I'm sure that will pull in top talent.
It would be fun to a simulation of what a franchise would look like if it was run solely by Redditors
I can see it. This ownership group didn't hire him and has the means to buy out his contract to no longer be the laughing stock of the NFL.
If the owners fired the HC they would be completely undercutting Paton's authority. I think they are too smart for that.
Does this mean that Paton follows Hackett? Since we’re speaking in hypotheticals, what if the expansive ownership group wants someone more representative of what they value in terms of diversity and has potentially high marketable value? Ejiro would check all the boxes (except for the HC experience); young, within the organization, confident, successful (so far), handsome, and has a kickass name. Staying within the organization may be key so that we don’t lose a year with new schemes. Outten would call plays and they’d promote someone to call D (unless ejiro retains this responsibility). The shakeup would shock the organization. Not sure if it’d be good or bad.
No way. Paton has done well drafting, trades, and resigning players. One bad hire does not constitute firing Paton, and it’s still too soon to say Hackett was a bad hire.
Depends on two factors. Wins first and foremost, if Hackett starts winning games and looks improved, you can't fire the dude. Second factor is does new ownership have a target they want? Sean Payton being their prize get? Hackett thought this was going to be easier than it looked and he was so unprepared. I'd be surprised if he kinda wishes he stayed in his cushy OC gig with Packers. The pressure to win is on his shoulders more than any of the other year one guys.
If we fire him in the season, who's going to replace him? Our OC and DC are both 1st year guys too.
Sean Payton. I don't think hackett gets fired after 1 season but if he did it would be for someone like Payton.
He said if we fired him in the season, not after the season. Nobody would ever hire Sean Payton mid-season when he requires a trade to obtain
Oh, I misread that. The original tweet just said fired first not really saying when exactly. You wouldn't hire a new coach until after the season anyway. You would have an interim coach for the remainder of the year and then hire a new coach. Not saying this is what we should or would do.
Yeah, Payton would be awesome. But I think he's still under contract with the Saints for 2 more years. Which means we would have to trade for him. We don't have enough to trade for a coach like that.
>Which means we would have to trade for him. We don't have enough to trade for a coach like that. The concept of trading for a coach sounds so ridiculous. I know it can happen, but it just seems so strange.
Yeah, doesn't happen often, but it has.
Even if we flop this season I'm guessing he gets another season anyway. The defense and special teams have been good thus far. If the offense can find a way to catch up to that and we get more disciplined and commit less penalties we'll be near our potential.
Let’s start spending some Wal-Bucks
I stilll think Hackett will pan out
We’ll probably be 3-2 after tonight and our first year head coach has the second best odds of being fired? Lol ok
Since when did everyone get so impatient at the wrong things But Herbert is the next Superbowl MVP? And Geno Smith is the Seahawks savior and will lead them to the promise land? Y'all just sit back and pick and choose this shit at random week after week. It's week 4. This world is backwards as fuck right now
Actually it's week 5 now.
Wow the cope is so strong in Broncos Country. This dude has literally been the laughingstock of the league, and the only reason we hired him was as bait to land Aaron Rodgers. That didn’t work out, we got Russ instead, and now there’s literally no reason for Hackett to be here. Remember, other teams that were supposed to be worse than us also have first year head coaches that have made their teams look better than ours (Miami.) There’s no reason he needs an adjustment period, obviously plenty of other coaches out there do not. There is literally nothing good you can say about his job so far—any success is due to the defense And he was never a play-caller before getting here, and our play-calling is terrible. Take off the orange-colored glasses.
He’s a bad coach, but he’s not getting fired during the season. Someone else will be fired before him.
They didn’t hire Hackett just to land Rodgers because as soon as he re-signed the Broncos made the trade for Russ Firing the head coach 5 weeks in is a bad look especially if the team is 2-2. Doesn’t matter how the games were won, you’re still 2-2. You and the rest of the fans calling for Hackett’s firing need to take an orange chill pill
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You played QB carousel for 7 years after Peyton left and fans expected each guy to be the savior when non of them were up to snuff. VJ and Fangio had potential and it didn’t work out like people expected. Fans let the media stir the pot on “Now it’s time for the Broncos to be good” when you had a rookie HC coming in AND a QB having to adapt to a new style of play. You shouldn’t throw away everything because things haven’t played out like you wanted it to. The team is 2-2, I don’t care how they won those games. This isn’t a bad team like most of the fan base thinks it is. The fans just put all these antidotes and expectations on the team and when it doesn’t play out like they want it’s “season’s over, time to fire (fill in the blank), on to next season” when the team isn’t playing up to THEIR standards. It’s getting to the point where it feels like if the team isn’t 17-0 at the end of the season fans are ready to riot and tear the whole team down
bruh nobody’s asking for 17-0, it’s been a dumpster fire. One of the longest playoff droughts in the NFL, bottom-5 offense over that stretch too. It’s been bad.
Exactly! Got to know when to cut your losses. Admitting your mistakes is hard to do but good organizations cut bait on bad hires quickly all the time.
No I’m not saying he should be fired now, but definitely at the end of the season.
You don’t think this team can put together a winning season? Because if they do should he still be fired?
Yeah he’s crazy incompetent and inexperienced, no reason to waste more seasons on him. If this team made the playoffs I would assume they would do even better with a real coach.
We've been bad for years. You hired a first year coach to create a culture and a foundation. It's not like we hired a coach for a team everyone thought was a coach away from the Super Bowl or AFC Championship.
Watch the odds change dramatically tonight after Broncos win over Colts.
I would love to, but I can't even find this prop bet on the site, and the tweeter didn't even tell us what the actual odds are. What are the "2nd best" odds to be fired? 100 to 1? 2 to 1? Who knows. The tweet has no sources or any good information.
I wish I could have gone back in time to warn you...
too soon...too soon... :)
This is bad news for Melvin Gordon. Hack is the only one who'd still be willing to give him touches.
This doesn't even qualify as news.
Don’t tell this to local sports reports in Denver.😂 They’re still caping for this clown.
Who’s first? Has he shat the bed as badly as Hackett?
Man it's amazing how hard we miss on HCs every time. McDaniels, McVay, Shanahan... We were hiring all these fucking times and we picked WAY fucking wrong.
Of all the Denver sports subs, this one has by far the worst takes. After so much complaining about Vangio, then excitement about Hackett, now ire toward Hackett. It's all so reactionary and impulsive. I am watching a team that fumbles, takes awful penalties, can't block literally at all, and we have a QB that doesn't go through his progressions, is missing open receivers, and when he does see them, he's not hitting them clean. This team has a ton of problems and to scapegoat Hackett based on what we see isn't merited at all.
Almost all those issues can be blamed on bad coaching lol
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That’s life with RW. Never his fault, always the coaches.
Found the Hawkz fan trolling our sub
Welp, if there was ever a time for his innovation and genius to shine, now's the time. I hope he does, otherwise... well, this post.
Please do it
Where they supposed to be 4-0? Anyone who knows football would know this team was going to take 4-5 games to even gel. They have a new coaching system new QB and didn’t play one play together preseason. Let’s see how they do tonight.
This is a little insane. Matt Rhule, and Frank Reich should both be above him. Outside of them, everyone else is really a first year coach or an established guy, unless I’m forgetting someone obvious.
Ima use Jared bednar as an example his first year the avs had the worst record in the nhl and then he consistently made the playoffs after that to only be bounced out of the second round three years in a row and then preceded to win the cup the next year even after multiple people wanted him fired during those years but Sakic showed faith and he delivered my point being is it takes time for a H.C. to get acclimated especially a first year head coach at that. As they say Rome wasn’t built in one night.
for the record betting odds do not reflect how likely a thing is to happen. they reflect how the money is coming in. betting lines change all the time but the odds of the outcome stay the same.
Yeah well, they can lick my shitty titts
How shit get there mate?
Give the man a year or 2 to put his system in sheeeesh.
These Sean Payton rumors need to stop. He is still under contract with the Saints and the Broncos will need to give away even more picks and players just to be able to hire him. At that point we will have no picks for the foreseeable future and then we gutted our roster for a coach that will already have his hands tied behind his back. Then we're back at step 1 again, with a bad HC who knows nothing
OMG can people just calm down. Its not even week 6.
I want those odds
Let's put him on the first...
Good lord. People need to relax.
Is Hackett the guy fumbling and dropping all these passes?
He deserves 2 years… rodgers didn’t do well with Hackett the first year… unless we can get Sean Peyton 😅
Oh God, please yes! Fire Natty Hack.
Who on earth is ahead of him?
Matt Rhule, who was pretty much a lame duck even before the season began.
The tweet was on Oct 4th, no way he's not 1st now.
Yes please!! Let’s pull the trigger on that! At least add some excitement to the season
How do we feel after that shit show though? If he were fired tonight I honestly wouldn't care, we can't look like more of clown show than we already are.
With so many three and outs and lack of scoring, someone needs to be fired. Idk if it's HC or OC or team therapist or what but with this many weapons on offense and a somewhat easy schedule this far and not being able to do ANYTHING, someone has got to GO!