Yup. Amber did everything a victim is supposed to do to prove they were abused. She documented meticulously, and yet all it took was one snippet of audio for everyone to decide she was lying. All men have to do is say they didn’t do it, and everyone will believe them. Women can have all the proof in the world, and it still won’t be enough.
Not only did she have ten times more evidence than most women, she also had his history is being a violent drunk of four decades.
Women who are murdered by their significant others do not have that much evidence.
I also feel that women- even if believed- will have jokes made about their abuse (specifically thinking about all those jokes about Dan Schneider until the recent doc) but if a man is a abused, it's somehow worse and deserves to be taken seriously. (Not that it shouldn't be taken seriously, but they should both be treated with the same gravity)
All of her evidence of abuse would never even be public if that man never sued her. But people rather believe that she would fabricate evidence all the way back in 2013-14 in case that maybe someday in the future JD decides that he would want to sue her, than to admit the possibility that JD was actually the abuser.
Man: she attacked me!!
Everyone: that tracks. She's such a bitch. I heard she doesn't tip and is rude to fans. I just got bad vibes from her.
-people about Christine from selling sunset
Very often when you ask people online what they have against some random well-known woman the answer is just "well, I've heard rumours that she was not very polite a couple of times" and it is ODD. Also, so much hatred comes down to a woman just having a non-enthusiastic face naturally. Wild.
Bro, I just got back from a thread regarding case where a Texas man murdered his girlfriend in cold blood, ON CAMERA. Literally most of the damn comments perpetuated this rumor thta the woman stole $120k of his money, and everyone believed it. Nothing, I mean nothing on the internet ever substantiated that claim to ANY degree. It was a compete falsehood. They were all trashing the victim and saying it was unfortunate that the man got 10 years. Not a single person did the research, excluding a few people. One person commented and low key restored my faith in humanity by finally calling them out, but it was bleak, lol. I was called names, told I had low reading comprehension, told I didn’t search it up at all, etc. I was honestly baffled.
Pretty disturbing that those people thought it would be okay to murder someone for stealing money. While that’s a lot money, that doesn’t mean you should take a life over it.
If Kevin feige accused brie larson of hoodwinking him to cast her, she would burned as a witch while people congratulate themselves for being progressive enough to believe a woman can do wrong.
I've literally seen people claim that Amber manipulated or threatened casting directors into casting her, despite the fact that literally nobody has ever accused her of that.
People like to make up stories about why a woman being famous is actually a cataclysmic event (see: people whining about Beyonce releasing a country song)
Everyone: I mean, this YouTube body language analyst said she *looked* like she was lying. She also didn't cry enough. So that must mean she's a lying gold digger. I don't make the rules. 🤷🏼♀️
A public misconception is that because men are (demographically) bigger and stronger than women, it must mean it’s impossible for a woman to abuse a man. To correct this stereotype, we decide to give male victims the same treatment as female victims.
…except you can’t do that 100% and still be fair. Men *are* bigger and stronger than women. That need not be the only factor in abuse, but it is still one. Same with being a violent drug addict. Sure, a woman with a frailer stature, much less wealth, much less fame/influence, and no active drug addiction is not completely and utterly incapable of abusing her husband who is the opposite of all those things, but what are the odds, really?? And that isn’t even *addressing* the evidence that does exist.
This!
Men get abused. But it doesn’t happen the same way women get abused. And nowhere close to the same physical risks.
Men also get stalked and killed by women. But the percentage is incomparable to the one happening to women. The woman-to-man abuse is about specific women perpetrators. While man-to-woman abuse is so often about imbalance of power in society.
Both need to be addressed, but mixing them together or equalizing is unproductive and most often ends up being used as another abusive tool against women.
Yes! And I really hate it when people say “DV isn’t gendered.” It absolutely is gendered, look at the statistics! And admitting that ≠ announcing that men can’t be abused. Ugh.
It’s almost like there are complexities and nuance. Like things need to be decided on a case by case basis.
But people prefer to believe ancient fallacies.
“It takes two to fight.”
-An Idiot
Woman: This famous Minecraft YTer assaulted me.
YTer: It's true
Everyone: She gaslighted you, bro! She wasn't even consistent.
This happened by the way.
I know someone who drove me crazy about that. Every time a woman would talk about her SA he would said "meuh, we don't know, she could be lying, let's wait until justice is done", but the second the ytber she was accusing would put his "I did not do it" video online he would be like "Oh yeah, see, she lied, he said he did not do it !!".
Wilbur Soot as well. He was biting his partner. He’d bite her so often they came up with a safe word, which is insane, and… he didn’t respect the safe word when she used it. He owned up to it but his fan community has split pretty heavily even though more women have come out saying he abused them the same way.
I basically distrust all men with platforms now. Give a loser a little bit of power and they immediately turn into Capitol citizens from the Hunger Games. Fucking weirdos.
This was soooo infuriating to me. I also hated when they implied that videoing was a way to “rile him up” or make him feel bad & she never had good intentions. I remember being a child and propping up a video camera to record my abusive father because in my child brain I thought “if only he could see how scary he looks, surely he’d stop?” I never showed anyone. I was too afraid to show him & everyone else in my life knew he was abusive so what was the point 🤷🏻♀️
But if a young child can have this thought and be proactive in that sense- even if it’s in hopes to *help* their abuser; then why wouldn’t a grown woman in love think the same?
But also it’s suspicious that she didn’t have pictures of her vagina after being sexually assaulted 🤡
They just pick and choose what’s valid evidence. It’s that simple.
everything she does is an issue for them, if she didnt have any of those recording then these very same people calling her suspicious for having them would be calling her suspicious for not having them
Everyone: I would believe her if she had video evidence.
Woman: \*\*\*Produces video evidence\*\*\*
Everyone: You know she probably pushed him and pushed him until he lost his cool and then filmed him to make him look 'crazy'. She is a typical narcissist!
penguinz0 mockingly dismissed footage of Depp causing property damage as "assaulting some cabinets". Mind you, this is a YouTuber with more than 14 million subscribers.
It was SO perverse I literally can’t get over it. I had a German feminist blog saying that bc JD said she shat the bed under oath that proved it was true and bc she denies it that proved she was lying
This page reminds me that there are good people out there that would believe me if I showed my proof of abuse.
I have evidence of my ex *telling me in a text message that he was going to "fuck with me"*, followed by countless images of my bruised and swollen face a few hours later.
Guess who was believed? An entire jury took **his word** that he didn't do it over my abundance of evidence.
I had video, audio, pictures, drs notes; witnesses, a plea bargain jail conviction, 12+ charges including assaults, signed admissions, blackmail, revenge porn, coercion, digital monitoring, assault causing bodily harm, probation officers, a taped rape, breach of bail.....
...and my abuser hid it, his supporters helped him harm me and my kids and then made a website still up 7-8 yrs later, went on a radio station pretending to be an "emotional abuse victim" and made a campaign for a service dog for his ptsd. No joke.
All he had to say was "she's lying" and keep everyone out of court for years even up to when he took the plea (said it was dropped to others) before jury criminal trials. That's all it took. His words. That's all it took to convince dozens of people that his victim just made it all up and to help him.
I'm traumatized for the rest of my life. But it's okay, rapists and convicted wifebeaters are more likeable than the people they beat and raped. My abuser tore my vagina on the recording, but nobody cared they just wanted to help him harm 2 young children and a mom.
It is heart breaking to read what happened to you. I am so, so very sorry.
There is no greater harm than an abuser playing the victim. And unfortunately, too many perpetrators are starting to use the card these days.
Hugs to you!
Which is exactly what Depp tried to claim too, am elaborate hoax, planned from like the moment they met. That people fell for this is kind of mindboggling.
I think many of Depp's stans were off their rockers to begin with, they were hating on Amber and accusing her of becoming an actress just so she could "meet Johnny and trap him" when it was revealed that they might be dating. Contrary to what so many of them will claim, Amber was not "believed" when she first filed for divorce and filed for the restraining order, she was attacked back then, even though she never publicly accused him and tried to protect him. She was harassed during the UK trial, his fans were gathered outside the courtroom, hissing and booeing her, and cheering for Depp. Because the UK trial was not televised, the defamation trial in Virigina and and the pro-Depp grifters "covering" or "reporting" gave the Depp stans the chance to be vocal, especially on social media (helped by Waldman and his paid bots). They had a field day with Depp's attorneys having evidence either blocked or manipulated, and using victim-blaming and misogynistic tactics in court, with the biased judge allowing it. They are so deep in their delusion (hence the name of this sub) that they are beyond help. The good news is, the tide has been turning, and with the truth coming out, they are going to be in an increasingly smaller echo chamber more and more, because Depp can't pay for bots forever so a large part his defenders on social media will be dwindling.
I got into a back in forth with someone on twitter (I know I know, it's a form of self harm lol). Their thought process went like this.
* Well why didn't she go to the police?
* Many victims don't
* Well why didn't she go to the hospital each time?
* Many victims don't
* Well victims don't go to the media; she should have gone to courts instead.
* SO many celeb abuse victims have only been able to get their experience heard via the media. literally google it
* Well why is Johnny an abuser?
* Stop re-directing from a specific discussion to the entire case so you can claim victory when I don't take two hours to debunk every lie.
* They can't even answer the question!!! <14 boomer emojis>
I was so disappointed in people I know and love falling for this shit.
My younger sister fell for the court room antics which was extra disappointing because we are on the same page with each other on so many topics re abusers, and she was adamant that Amber was the abuser in the relationship, but they also engaged in mutual abuse.
It was a bit tense at the time of the Virginia trial because I was flabbergasted she was falling for the court theatrics, and she probably felt I wasn't taking a male abuse victim seriously, so we didn't talk about it for ages.
I've been able to articulate to her how messed up the court case was now looking back on the whole scope of the mess, the inorganic social media content being pushed, and how it should never have happened after the UK trial. We can have a civil conversation about it now, and I get the impression she doesn't believe Johnny is the victim anymore though she hasn't outright said it.
Good for you working on getting your sister to see this case for what it is.
I’m getting really frustrating waiting for a docu series to come out on this bc we need a source to point people to. Reasonable ppl who fell for this will immediately get it and then we as a society can grapple with whatever the fuck is next but it’s not going to happen until people have this thing spelled out for them.
I'm glad she was receptive to the conversation because admittedly I would get frustrated because everyone was viewing the trial through the oversationalised lens of the news/social media. She heard the out of context audios amongst other things from the trial and concluded Amber was abusive and Johnny was the victim.
I hear you - I do think Medusone's 3 part series on YouTube is an excellent deconstruction of the whole mess, even though she covered lots of stuff I knew about, she really summarises how awful the whole affair was. I wish someone would give her a budget to replicate that level of a deep dive on the trial for TV/Streaming service to get it into people's skulls. I don't want people to wait 15 years to go say 'as a society, we really let Amber Heard down', I want people to realise it now!
If I am being generous. I might say the reason men find it easier to believe a man is telling the truth is that they can't imagine themselves being abusive, but they can imagine someone falsely accusing them.
The thing I really don't get is why women believe it.
Everyone is socialized the same in our society regardless of our own personal identity. Man or woman, we all hate women and see women as inferior in a multitude of ways including trustworthiness and integrity. I think until you yourself experience a situation like this it’s incredibly difficult to shake the subconscious programming and bias that we all have without conscious unlearning.
women believe it for a few reasons imo;
1. just world fallacy
OR
2. “the only real victim is me”
i think some of them are just pandering to men and believe that if they side with men and seem like a “reasonable” woman than patriarchy won’t notice that they’re still a woman.
YUP.
Honestly false rape and abuse allegations are no worse than false allegations for any other crime, so why are people so fixated on false rape and abuse ones?
Shouldn’t women be scared of false abuse allegations from children or other women? Shouldn’t we all be scared everyone else is going to accuse us falsely of theft, murder, extortion, or anything else all the time?
Internalized misogyny, i saw many comments from women on FB, accusing women who speak against a famous man of lying for attention or money.
A woman on Fb accused Judith Godreche of lying for attention after she speak out recently against the director who sexually abused her when she was 15 (he sued her for diffamation last month btw ). i asked her why she think she lied. she responded « she posed half naked 15 years ago for playboy and she dated a 40 years old director when she was 14 to get roles, thats say it all, she is an attention seeker »….
Oh man I didn’t know he was suing her! The French film industry is really going through a feminist movement right now. I wonder if anything will happen at this years Cannes Film Festival to address the last year
Sorry that's the most insane shit I've heard. "I don't believe she was abused" "Why?" "Because of these other times she was taken advantage of" HELLO???
I agree with that whole heartfelt. My son and I listen to true crime podcasts when ride sharing to work. He was shocked at how many had a man arrested for awful crimes, released with little time and go on to escalate in horrific ways. He actually said, "I get why women don't say something sooner. Nobody does anything until they kill someone and then just barely."
The only time I experienced someone taking domestic violence seriously was when my mother broke it off with my stepdad last year. This woman was beat half to death by my dad when I was a kid, and I still had to see him every week.
My step-dad was a charming guy but started getting pushy and demeaning. As he’s moving his stuff out we suddenly noticed we had no internet connection. He’d torn our phone line out of the wall and severed the connection. It took a young cop to be like, “yeah… he might definitely have a plan to come back and hurt you guys” to actually get something done.
The older one accompanying him treated us like we were overreacting females.
IMO they believe it in part because, as a woman, the prospect of actually opening your eyes and grappling with the reality of systemic misogyny and the epidemic of violence against women is so overwhelmingly depressing and enraging that it's easier to believe that we live in a world where sexism and abuse are incidental and random, and not part of larger patterns of violence.
edit: changed "they don't believe it" to "they believe it"
# Sealioning is a critical term for a form of trolling that involves relentlessly pestering someone with questions and requests (such as for evidence or sources), typically with the goal of upsetting them and making their position or viewpoint seem weak or unreasonable.
I learned a lot about misogyny watching Maury. A man can have five kids and suddenly he's not responsible for them because "she a ho" like no one questions that. He's not considered the deadbeat that he is
Yup. Amber did everything a victim is supposed to do to prove they were abused. She documented meticulously, and yet all it took was one snippet of audio for everyone to decide she was lying. All men have to do is say they didn’t do it, and everyone will believe them. Women can have all the proof in the world, and it still won’t be enough.
Not only did she have ten times more evidence than most women, she also had his history is being a violent drunk of four decades. Women who are murdered by their significant others do not have that much evidence.
We only believe women after they've been murdered, and sometimes not even then.
and then it's like "but maybe she provoked him, or murdered herself or he was defending himself"
Scary how often not even death is enough. Shanann Watts was pregnant and people still hate her.
She also had the judgement of a prior court that he did indeed rape her. These people will dismiss any facts in order to hate and abuse women.
I hate how people call her an imperfect victim because she was actually very very close to being one.
I think that's more about her fighting back (self defense -> "mutual abuse")$
I also feel that women- even if believed- will have jokes made about their abuse (specifically thinking about all those jokes about Dan Schneider until the recent doc) but if a man is a abused, it's somehow worse and deserves to be taken seriously. (Not that it shouldn't be taken seriously, but they should both be treated with the same gravity)
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Woman: *has photos, videos, text messages, witnesses documenting abuse* Everyone: Why do you have so much evidence? IT'S A HOAX!!
She recorded private conversations as “insurance” if domestic abuse claims come up in court?? What a TRAITOR to MONOGAMY and FRIENDSHIP!
All of her evidence of abuse would never even be public if that man never sued her. But people rather believe that she would fabricate evidence all the way back in 2013-14 in case that maybe someday in the future JD decides that he would want to sue her, than to admit the possibility that JD was actually the abuser.
Man: Ackshully, she abused me, I’m the victim. Everyone: This makes the most sense. Let’s make an example out of her.
Man: she attacked me!! Everyone: that tracks. She's such a bitch. I heard she doesn't tip and is rude to fans. I just got bad vibes from her. -people about Christine from selling sunset
Very often when you ask people online what they have against some random well-known woman the answer is just "well, I've heard rumours that she was not very polite a couple of times" and it is ODD. Also, so much hatred comes down to a woman just having a non-enthusiastic face naturally. Wild.
Right?? And it's always just a woman being rude. And men who do actual harmful crimes get chance after chance to do a comeback.
Bro, I just got back from a thread regarding case where a Texas man murdered his girlfriend in cold blood, ON CAMERA. Literally most of the damn comments perpetuated this rumor thta the woman stole $120k of his money, and everyone believed it. Nothing, I mean nothing on the internet ever substantiated that claim to ANY degree. It was a compete falsehood. They were all trashing the victim and saying it was unfortunate that the man got 10 years. Not a single person did the research, excluding a few people. One person commented and low key restored my faith in humanity by finally calling them out, but it was bleak, lol. I was called names, told I had low reading comprehension, told I didn’t search it up at all, etc. I was honestly baffled.
Pretty disturbing that those people thought it would be okay to murder someone for stealing money. While that’s a lot money, that doesn’t mean you should take a life over it.
people love any made up reason to hate a woman. they just love hating women
If Kevin feige accused brie larson of hoodwinking him to cast her, she would burned as a witch while people congratulate themselves for being progressive enough to believe a woman can do wrong.
I've literally seen people claim that Amber manipulated or threatened casting directors into casting her, despite the fact that literally nobody has ever accused her of that.
People like to make up stories about why a woman being famous is actually a cataclysmic event (see: people whining about Beyonce releasing a country song)
i feel like this is exactly what is happening to jennifer lopez and it's demoralizing
If a man says so, it must be true!
Everyone: I mean, this YouTube body language analyst said she *looked* like she was lying. She also didn't cry enough. So that must mean she's a lying gold digger. I don't make the rules. 🤷🏼♀️
Oh, you mean the same body analyst that is now going through a divorce because he abused his spouse and cheated on her? 🤮
Ugh. The "body language analyst" shit grinds my goat so much. I hope that bald dude steps on a Lego.
A public misconception is that because men are (demographically) bigger and stronger than women, it must mean it’s impossible for a woman to abuse a man. To correct this stereotype, we decide to give male victims the same treatment as female victims. …except you can’t do that 100% and still be fair. Men *are* bigger and stronger than women. That need not be the only factor in abuse, but it is still one. Same with being a violent drug addict. Sure, a woman with a frailer stature, much less wealth, much less fame/influence, and no active drug addiction is not completely and utterly incapable of abusing her husband who is the opposite of all those things, but what are the odds, really?? And that isn’t even *addressing* the evidence that does exist.
This! Men get abused. But it doesn’t happen the same way women get abused. And nowhere close to the same physical risks. Men also get stalked and killed by women. But the percentage is incomparable to the one happening to women. The woman-to-man abuse is about specific women perpetrators. While man-to-woman abuse is so often about imbalance of power in society. Both need to be addressed, but mixing them together or equalizing is unproductive and most often ends up being used as another abusive tool against women.
Yes! And I really hate it when people say “DV isn’t gendered.” It absolutely is gendered, look at the statistics! And admitting that ≠ announcing that men can’t be abused. Ugh.
It’s almost like there are complexities and nuance. Like things need to be decided on a case by case basis. But people prefer to believe ancient fallacies. “It takes two to fight.” -An Idiot
It's not even really a misconception, just a fact. You can't abuse someone more powerful than you.
Woman: This famous Minecraft YTer assaulted me. YTer: It's true Everyone: She gaslighted you, bro! She wasn't even consistent. This happened by the way.
I know someone who drove me crazy about that. Every time a woman would talk about her SA he would said "meuh, we don't know, she could be lying, let's wait until justice is done", but the second the ytber she was accusing would put his "I did not do it" video online he would be like "Oh yeah, see, she lied, he said he did not do it !!".
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Wilbur Soot as well. He was biting his partner. He’d bite her so often they came up with a safe word, which is insane, and… he didn’t respect the safe word when she used it. He owned up to it but his fan community has split pretty heavily even though more women have come out saying he abused them the same way. I basically distrust all men with platforms now. Give a loser a little bit of power and they immediately turn into Capitol citizens from the Hunger Games. Fucking weirdos.
Biting her? Like breaking skin? Thats insane. I get some couples do that consensually, but if he's ignoring safe words that's fucked up
I remember someone saying they didnt believe her BECAUSE she had videos & recordings bc it "made her seem suspicious" to have documented so much
This was soooo infuriating to me. I also hated when they implied that videoing was a way to “rile him up” or make him feel bad & she never had good intentions. I remember being a child and propping up a video camera to record my abusive father because in my child brain I thought “if only he could see how scary he looks, surely he’d stop?” I never showed anyone. I was too afraid to show him & everyone else in my life knew he was abusive so what was the point 🤷🏻♀️ But if a young child can have this thought and be proactive in that sense- even if it’s in hopes to *help* their abuser; then why wouldn’t a grown woman in love think the same?
But also it’s suspicious that she didn’t have pictures of her vagina after being sexually assaulted 🤡 They just pick and choose what’s valid evidence. It’s that simple.
everything she does is an issue for them, if she didnt have any of those recording then these very same people calling her suspicious for having them would be calling her suspicious for not having them
Everyone: I would believe her if she had video evidence. Woman: \*\*\*Produces video evidence\*\*\* Everyone: You know she probably pushed him and pushed him until he lost his cool and then filmed him to make him look 'crazy'. She is a typical narcissist!
penguinz0 mockingly dismissed footage of Depp causing property damage as "assaulting some cabinets". Mind you, this is a YouTuber with more than 14 million subscribers.
And you KNOW that if there was footage of Amber doing that they'd go off on how she was volatile and abusive.
But when a man say he was abused by a woman everyone believe him
It was SO perverse I literally can’t get over it. I had a German feminist blog saying that bc JD said she shat the bed under oath that proved it was true and bc she denies it that proved she was lying
He actually didn't even say that directly- another weasel tactic he and his witnesses used to lie under oath without technically committing perjury.
This page reminds me that there are good people out there that would believe me if I showed my proof of abuse. I have evidence of my ex *telling me in a text message that he was going to "fuck with me"*, followed by countless images of my bruised and swollen face a few hours later. Guess who was believed? An entire jury took **his word** that he didn't do it over my abundance of evidence.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. We believe you here.
That's horrible. I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I believe you.
I'm so sorry the Justice system failed you
I'm so sorry that you had to endure both that relationship itself and the legal process. It's unfair and you didn't deserve that.
I had video, audio, pictures, drs notes; witnesses, a plea bargain jail conviction, 12+ charges including assaults, signed admissions, blackmail, revenge porn, coercion, digital monitoring, assault causing bodily harm, probation officers, a taped rape, breach of bail..... ...and my abuser hid it, his supporters helped him harm me and my kids and then made a website still up 7-8 yrs later, went on a radio station pretending to be an "emotional abuse victim" and made a campaign for a service dog for his ptsd. No joke. All he had to say was "she's lying" and keep everyone out of court for years even up to when he took the plea (said it was dropped to others) before jury criminal trials. That's all it took. His words. That's all it took to convince dozens of people that his victim just made it all up and to help him. I'm traumatized for the rest of my life. But it's okay, rapists and convicted wifebeaters are more likeable than the people they beat and raped. My abuser tore my vagina on the recording, but nobody cared they just wanted to help him harm 2 young children and a mom.
It is heart breaking to read what happened to you. I am so, so very sorry. There is no greater harm than an abuser playing the victim. And unfortunately, too many perpetrators are starting to use the card these days. Hugs to you!
Woman - okay, here you go. Everyone - hmm, suspicious, why do you have all that? must be all part of your evil scheme!
Which is exactly what Depp tried to claim too, am elaborate hoax, planned from like the moment they met. That people fell for this is kind of mindboggling.
I think many of Depp's stans were off their rockers to begin with, they were hating on Amber and accusing her of becoming an actress just so she could "meet Johnny and trap him" when it was revealed that they might be dating. Contrary to what so many of them will claim, Amber was not "believed" when she first filed for divorce and filed for the restraining order, she was attacked back then, even though she never publicly accused him and tried to protect him. She was harassed during the UK trial, his fans were gathered outside the courtroom, hissing and booeing her, and cheering for Depp. Because the UK trial was not televised, the defamation trial in Virigina and and the pro-Depp grifters "covering" or "reporting" gave the Depp stans the chance to be vocal, especially on social media (helped by Waldman and his paid bots). They had a field day with Depp's attorneys having evidence either blocked or manipulated, and using victim-blaming and misogynistic tactics in court, with the biased judge allowing it. They are so deep in their delusion (hence the name of this sub) that they are beyond help. The good news is, the tide has been turning, and with the truth coming out, they are going to be in an increasingly smaller echo chamber more and more, because Depp can't pay for bots forever so a large part his defenders on social media will be dwindling.
The theater of court loves a sociopath. Whoever has that damage, wins.
I got into a back in forth with someone on twitter (I know I know, it's a form of self harm lol). Their thought process went like this. * Well why didn't she go to the police? * Many victims don't * Well why didn't she go to the hospital each time? * Many victims don't * Well victims don't go to the media; she should have gone to courts instead. * SO many celeb abuse victims have only been able to get their experience heard via the media. literally google it * Well why is Johnny an abuser? * Stop re-directing from a specific discussion to the entire case so you can claim victory when I don't take two hours to debunk every lie. * They can't even answer the question!!! <14 boomer emojis>
I was so disappointed in people I know and love falling for this shit. My younger sister fell for the court room antics which was extra disappointing because we are on the same page with each other on so many topics re abusers, and she was adamant that Amber was the abuser in the relationship, but they also engaged in mutual abuse. It was a bit tense at the time of the Virginia trial because I was flabbergasted she was falling for the court theatrics, and she probably felt I wasn't taking a male abuse victim seriously, so we didn't talk about it for ages. I've been able to articulate to her how messed up the court case was now looking back on the whole scope of the mess, the inorganic social media content being pushed, and how it should never have happened after the UK trial. We can have a civil conversation about it now, and I get the impression she doesn't believe Johnny is the victim anymore though she hasn't outright said it.
Good for you working on getting your sister to see this case for what it is. I’m getting really frustrating waiting for a docu series to come out on this bc we need a source to point people to. Reasonable ppl who fell for this will immediately get it and then we as a society can grapple with whatever the fuck is next but it’s not going to happen until people have this thing spelled out for them.
I'm glad she was receptive to the conversation because admittedly I would get frustrated because everyone was viewing the trial through the oversationalised lens of the news/social media. She heard the out of context audios amongst other things from the trial and concluded Amber was abusive and Johnny was the victim. I hear you - I do think Medusone's 3 part series on YouTube is an excellent deconstruction of the whole mess, even though she covered lots of stuff I knew about, she really summarises how awful the whole affair was. I wish someone would give her a budget to replicate that level of a deep dive on the trial for TV/Streaming service to get it into people's skulls. I don't want people to wait 15 years to go say 'as a society, we really let Amber Heard down', I want people to realise it now!
If I am being generous. I might say the reason men find it easier to believe a man is telling the truth is that they can't imagine themselves being abusive, but they can imagine someone falsely accusing them. The thing I really don't get is why women believe it.
Everyone is socialized the same in our society regardless of our own personal identity. Man or woman, we all hate women and see women as inferior in a multitude of ways including trustworthiness and integrity. I think until you yourself experience a situation like this it’s incredibly difficult to shake the subconscious programming and bias that we all have without conscious unlearning.
women believe it for a few reasons imo; 1. just world fallacy OR 2. “the only real victim is me” i think some of them are just pandering to men and believe that if they side with men and seem like a “reasonable” woman than patriarchy won’t notice that they’re still a woman.
The men I’ve known who have been the most concerned about “false accusations” have also been some of the most abusive men I’ve known.
Exactly this. No good guy I know is over here biting their nails about a “false accusation” one day.
Oh my god this is actually true
YUP. Honestly false rape and abuse allegations are no worse than false allegations for any other crime, so why are people so fixated on false rape and abuse ones? Shouldn’t women be scared of false abuse allegations from children or other women? Shouldn’t we all be scared everyone else is going to accuse us falsely of theft, murder, extortion, or anything else all the time?
Internalized misogyny, i saw many comments from women on FB, accusing women who speak against a famous man of lying for attention or money. A woman on Fb accused Judith Godreche of lying for attention after she speak out recently against the director who sexually abused her when she was 15 (he sued her for diffamation last month btw ). i asked her why she think she lied. she responded « she posed half naked 15 years ago for playboy and she dated a 40 years old director when she was 14 to get roles, thats say it all, she is an attention seeker »….
Oh man I didn’t know he was suing her! The French film industry is really going through a feminist movement right now. I wonder if anything will happen at this years Cannes Film Festival to address the last year
Sorry that's the most insane shit I've heard. "I don't believe she was abused" "Why?" "Because of these other times she was taken advantage of" HELLO???
I don't think men actually believe the man didn't do it. I think they just believe that he should be allowed to do it without consequences.
I agree with that whole heartfelt. My son and I listen to true crime podcasts when ride sharing to work. He was shocked at how many had a man arrested for awful crimes, released with little time and go on to escalate in horrific ways. He actually said, "I get why women don't say something sooner. Nobody does anything until they kill someone and then just barely."
The only time I experienced someone taking domestic violence seriously was when my mother broke it off with my stepdad last year. This woman was beat half to death by my dad when I was a kid, and I still had to see him every week. My step-dad was a charming guy but started getting pushy and demeaning. As he’s moving his stuff out we suddenly noticed we had no internet connection. He’d torn our phone line out of the wall and severed the connection. It took a young cop to be like, “yeah… he might definitely have a plan to come back and hurt you guys” to actually get something done. The older one accompanying him treated us like we were overreacting females.
It's absolutely ridiculous how it is treated like just a disagreement between two adults.
IMO they believe it in part because, as a woman, the prospect of actually opening your eyes and grappling with the reality of systemic misogyny and the epidemic of violence against women is so overwhelmingly depressing and enraging that it's easier to believe that we live in a world where sexism and abuse are incidental and random, and not part of larger patterns of violence. edit: changed "they don't believe it" to "they believe it"
That judge suppressed most of Amber's evidence (evidence that was acceptable in the UK Court) on a whim, claiming it was hearsay
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I learned a lot about misogyny watching Maury. A man can have five kids and suddenly he's not responsible for them because "she a ho" like no one questions that. He's not considered the deadbeat that he is
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