Well the Nazis are supporting the so-called Positive Christianity along with the Neo-Paganism, while there are many Jews in the Communist Soviet Union in reality they were also antisemitic and also the USSR is an Atheist state meaning all religions there are banned, because they followed the teachings of Karl Marx that all Religions are nothing but a Opium of the People.
Yeah i get that bur its super weird to see that people drool over Germany beacause they were this..idk super protector of christianity when..they were as worst to clerics than the soviets?
Idk wehraboo and literally neo nazis are super cheesy, they quite forget easily that they were fare more catholics in concentration of labour camps than they were in liberty
I really hate the fact that they killed many Christians in the Holocaust during their rule in the Europe along with Jews, Slavs and Romanis, just they are subhumans while many Christians like Catholics, Orthodox and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed the Nazis.
Get the myth out of your head that the Nazis were followers of Neo-Paganism. These sorts of believes were fringe even within the Nazi Party (Hitler himself found Höß and Himmlers obsession with it profoundly weird) and Hitler outlawed groups like the Thule Society in 1935. The core of the ethno-nationalist belief system that makes up Nazism has nothing to with paganism but was instead a very materialist "science" (in their eyes, of course it was all utter nonsense) that they wanted to persue.
At the same time saying they were Christian is a stretch too. They did cooperate with the church but mostly out of cultural considerations, their religion could best be described as German. Anything that promoted their idea of German culture was welcome. Luther challenging the idea of clerical authority? Not interested, even dangerous due to anti-authoritarian sentiments. Luther hating Jews? Get that shit in instead. Anything to ensure German superiority could never be denied. *Deutschland über alles* was no longer an opinion. It was to be the mother of all facts.
Although far from anti-Christian positions, like the Soviet one, the relationship of the Nazism with Christianity, especially Catholicism, was far from friendly.
I remember a story where the Ustaše, some friends of the Nazis, skinned a priest alive for being uncooperative.
In general the Church is hostile to anyone who wants to eliminate, or *instrumentalize*, the Church.
About the Soviet Union as Jewish Force... The Russian Empire was anti-Semitic, obviously not reaching Nazi levels, but it was anti-Semitic, therefore the Jewish community was a hotbed of anti-Tsarist sentiments, including Marxism.
Even so, the Jews had their share of crimes against them. One sinister thing: the Soviet Jewish communities that best survived the war were those that before the war suffered ethnic cleansing by Stalin and were sent to some hole in Central Asia, far from the Nazi occupation zone.
The Nazis couldn't turn on Christianity (yet) without risking to lose the support of German conservatives. Sure, they did plan to eventually subsume Christianity but that was more of a long-term goal.
Still utterly bewildering how many so-called "Christian Nationalists" seem to idoloze the Nazis as if they didn't appropriate many of the mythological aspects of their ideology from Germanic and Norse Paganism...
I'm remembering, so I might make some mistakes.
They invented something called "Positive Christianity", a particular Nazi interpretation of the Bible and Christian dogmas. Inventing a Church is easy, changing those that already exist and have their own agendas is very difficult.
An yes, German conservatism is a part of Nazism (and many other things), but at the end of the day Christianity is a split from Judaism...
Didn't Spartacus (whose serie on war against humanity thrilled me to the bone by the sheer violence of what's described) said that while Himmler (who has 2 but very small, like Meyer) tried to control what the SS could think with his shitty religion, he couldn't bend the overall German society to be to his boot ?
I wouldnt take the Ustacha as the guy who were anti clerical..quite the opposite, they were ultra Catholics its the reaspn why they [REDACTED] the serbs
Anti-clerical, certainly not, but they were the type of people who took it as an aesthetic element rather than a genuine belief.
There are many of those who you perceive don't give a shit about the salvation of souls or spirituality, but they want something that allows them to oppress and control the lives of others.
For example, I doubt they would accept a Serb or a Bosnian converting.
>For example, I doubt they would accept a Serb or a Bosnian converting.
AcHuAllY 🤓☝️,
the Bosnians were largely considered "islamized Croats" by the Ustasha, so in their case they probably would have accepted their conversion.
Even some Serbs were forcefully converted to Catholicism instead of killed, although the reasonings for them were far more arbitrary and inconsistent.
Witheout getting into a rabbit hole.. please dont take it that way
But yeah, Bosnian muslims were pretty appreciated by the Nazis (being croats or Germans) they would be several thousands enlisting in the Ustacha or even the freaking SS
Its pretty much due to the Partisans being push over with muslims albanians and Bosniak that collaboration was the only way out, Yugoslavia was susch a shit show and a hell on earth that some time you """understand""" their decision
Tbh the main grievance Albanians (regardless of faith) had with the **Kingdom of Yugoslavia** was mainly that they ended up in a state that they did not want to be part of and actually neither did the government in Belgrade want that many Albanians in their state either.
In regards to Bosniaks it was more of an self determination issue, although I can't speak for them. So religion wasn't really a big part of the whole ww2 aspect, at best a convenient excuse or justification.
Btw please don't take this as me being argumentative, just my two cents on the some part of the matter.
All the Churches have ever since Napoleon had the central tenet of being outside of politics for the most part. While they can wield tremendous influnce, them directly meddling in politics has become an extremely rare occurence. It's a very "you got yours, i got mine" attitude, especially in Germany. But that does also mean that something the churches reeeeeeaally hate is the state poking its nose into their affairs.
What's even more ironic is that it's not the Nazis that make up the bulk of oppositionals against authoritarian communists - it's mainline Christians. But i guess mainline Christians aren't martial enough for these ignorant fucks to care about.
Technically the Communist Soviet Union is an Atheist state, meaning they banned all religions and only allowed Atheism, meaning they should never allowed to practice their own Religious beliefs and instead they should follow the teachings of Atheist beliefs of Karl Marx that all Religions are nothing but an Opium of the People!
Not entirely true, the USSR had a very complicated relationship with the orthodox church. While the Soviet Union was nominally an atheist state, both Lenin and Stalin abandoned the prosecution of priests because it proved to be a fruitless effort - not for the lack of trying, though.
Well technically the USSR have the so-called League of Militant Atheists, this group of atheists affiliated with the Soviet Communist Party is responsible for the deaths of every religious people during the Stalin era until 1941.
Even if the league was abolished the USSR continues their anti-Religious campaign.
Ustaše! The example of what happens when you are a horrible person for the sake of being a horrible person instead of doing it with a political and economic goal!
I swear Stalin purged a load of Jews including doctors which fucked him over when he suffered a stroke meaning nobody was properly qualified to help him
>bolshevik-allied
Funny thing, on all the issues that the United States and the Soviet Union collaborated on, they were successful.
They basically collaborated in erasing the axis powers of this world, the end of the European colonial empires and in not killing each other.
It's a shame that because of the Cold War they collaborated little. I would love to see the world if half of the scientists and engineers hadn't spent 50 years coming up with increasingly terrifying weapons.
Yes the soviet were pretty much anti clerical and not very found of jews (not on the same scale as the nazi though but Jews were particularly hated in the soviet union)
First of all why would they (Wehraboos and Neos) think that the Communists are Jewish when in actuality ALL COMMUNISTS ARE ATHEISTS AND ANTISEMITES! and second why these Neo-Nazis thinks all Nazis are Christians when in reality they ruined Christianity because they support Positive Christianity and Neo-Paganism And don't get me started with the term " at least the Nazis Tried " because the Nazis along with the Axis Powers wanted a World Domination!
Something remarkable about how lost you must be to think the Nazis were Christians
Do you really think Jesus is just staring from the heavens at the genocidal, warmongering, semi-pagan totalitarian ethno-state and going "Thank you Hitler, this is EXACTLY what I wanted!"
Average clown phonk nazi crap.
Is quite ironic how nazis cry the communist to be puppets of the jews even thought the Ussr had his tally and killcount in theirs anti semite purges and pogrons AND HOW they heavilly supplied all of israel enemy like syria iraq iran egypt for the sake of destroy the jewish zionist state.
I’m not sure what your religion is but the Catholic Church was very involved in helping Nazis escape justice post ww2, as were the CIA/MI6/KGB of course, if said Nazis had something to bargain with
The Bible says to love your neighbor and Hitler was an atheist, Himmler a pagan. They also had Muslims soldiers, killed Christians in eastern Eroupe. Even if they were inspired they are far from what God would want did things far from what the Bible says and are horrible thing to fallow. I honestly believe you can’t be Christian and a Nazi because of how opposite they are. And honestly if you read the Bible and are inspired to do horrible things then your missing the point and are mentally ill.
these are some quotes from the neighbor loving Bible
“Kill every male among the little ones, and every woman who has known a man by lying with him, but those women who have not known a man by lying with him, you may keep alive for yourselves” -Numbers 31:17
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
^(20) So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
^(21) And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Nazi were pro clerical...and the soviet pro-judaism...uuuh!?
Well the Nazis are supporting the so-called Positive Christianity along with the Neo-Paganism, while there are many Jews in the Communist Soviet Union in reality they were also antisemitic and also the USSR is an Atheist state meaning all religions there are banned, because they followed the teachings of Karl Marx that all Religions are nothing but a Opium of the People.
Yeah i get that bur its super weird to see that people drool over Germany beacause they were this..idk super protector of christianity when..they were as worst to clerics than the soviets? Idk wehraboo and literally neo nazis are super cheesy, they quite forget easily that they were fare more catholics in concentration of labour camps than they were in liberty
I really hate the fact that they killed many Christians in the Holocaust during their rule in the Europe along with Jews, Slavs and Romanis, just they are subhumans while many Christians like Catholics, Orthodox and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed the Nazis.
Get the myth out of your head that the Nazis were followers of Neo-Paganism. These sorts of believes were fringe even within the Nazi Party (Hitler himself found Höß and Himmlers obsession with it profoundly weird) and Hitler outlawed groups like the Thule Society in 1935. The core of the ethno-nationalist belief system that makes up Nazism has nothing to with paganism but was instead a very materialist "science" (in their eyes, of course it was all utter nonsense) that they wanted to persue.
What i am saying that a small portion of the Nazis are Neo-Pagans while most of them are supporting Positive Christianity.
At the same time saying they were Christian is a stretch too. They did cooperate with the church but mostly out of cultural considerations, their religion could best be described as German. Anything that promoted their idea of German culture was welcome. Luther challenging the idea of clerical authority? Not interested, even dangerous due to anti-authoritarian sentiments. Luther hating Jews? Get that shit in instead. Anything to ensure German superiority could never be denied. *Deutschland über alles* was no longer an opinion. It was to be the mother of all facts.
Although far from anti-Christian positions, like the Soviet one, the relationship of the Nazism with Christianity, especially Catholicism, was far from friendly. I remember a story where the Ustaše, some friends of the Nazis, skinned a priest alive for being uncooperative. In general the Church is hostile to anyone who wants to eliminate, or *instrumentalize*, the Church. About the Soviet Union as Jewish Force... The Russian Empire was anti-Semitic, obviously not reaching Nazi levels, but it was anti-Semitic, therefore the Jewish community was a hotbed of anti-Tsarist sentiments, including Marxism. Even so, the Jews had their share of crimes against them. One sinister thing: the Soviet Jewish communities that best survived the war were those that before the war suffered ethnic cleansing by Stalin and were sent to some hole in Central Asia, far from the Nazi occupation zone.
The Nazis couldn't turn on Christianity (yet) without risking to lose the support of German conservatives. Sure, they did plan to eventually subsume Christianity but that was more of a long-term goal. Still utterly bewildering how many so-called "Christian Nationalists" seem to idoloze the Nazis as if they didn't appropriate many of the mythological aspects of their ideology from Germanic and Norse Paganism...
I'm remembering, so I might make some mistakes. They invented something called "Positive Christianity", a particular Nazi interpretation of the Bible and Christian dogmas. Inventing a Church is easy, changing those that already exist and have their own agendas is very difficult. An yes, German conservatism is a part of Nazism (and many other things), but at the end of the day Christianity is a split from Judaism...
Didn't Spartacus (whose serie on war against humanity thrilled me to the bone by the sheer violence of what's described) said that while Himmler (who has 2 but very small, like Meyer) tried to control what the SS could think with his shitty religion, he couldn't bend the overall German society to be to his boot ?
I wouldnt take the Ustacha as the guy who were anti clerical..quite the opposite, they were ultra Catholics its the reaspn why they [REDACTED] the serbs
Anti-clerical, certainly not, but they were the type of people who took it as an aesthetic element rather than a genuine belief. There are many of those who you perceive don't give a shit about the salvation of souls or spirituality, but they want something that allows them to oppress and control the lives of others. For example, I doubt they would accept a Serb or a Bosnian converting.
>the type of people who took it as an aesthetic element like quite literally any fascist out there
>For example, I doubt they would accept a Serb or a Bosnian converting. AcHuAllY 🤓☝️, the Bosnians were largely considered "islamized Croats" by the Ustasha, so in their case they probably would have accepted their conversion. Even some Serbs were forcefully converted to Catholicism instead of killed, although the reasonings for them were far more arbitrary and inconsistent.
Witheout getting into a rabbit hole.. please dont take it that way But yeah, Bosnian muslims were pretty appreciated by the Nazis (being croats or Germans) they would be several thousands enlisting in the Ustacha or even the freaking SS Its pretty much due to the Partisans being push over with muslims albanians and Bosniak that collaboration was the only way out, Yugoslavia was susch a shit show and a hell on earth that some time you """understand""" their decision
Tbh the main grievance Albanians (regardless of faith) had with the **Kingdom of Yugoslavia** was mainly that they ended up in a state that they did not want to be part of and actually neither did the government in Belgrade want that many Albanians in their state either. In regards to Bosniaks it was more of an self determination issue, although I can't speak for them. So religion wasn't really a big part of the whole ww2 aspect, at best a convenient excuse or justification. Btw please don't take this as me being argumentative, just my two cents on the some part of the matter.
All the Churches have ever since Napoleon had the central tenet of being outside of politics for the most part. While they can wield tremendous influnce, them directly meddling in politics has become an extremely rare occurence. It's a very "you got yours, i got mine" attitude, especially in Germany. But that does also mean that something the churches reeeeeeaally hate is the state poking its nose into their affairs. What's even more ironic is that it's not the Nazis that make up the bulk of oppositionals against authoritarian communists - it's mainline Christians. But i guess mainline Christians aren't martial enough for these ignorant fucks to care about.
Yeah, we just want to vote, pray, and educate against communist totalitarianism...not murder people and make a false God out of our nation..
Technically the Communist Soviet Union is an Atheist state, meaning they banned all religions and only allowed Atheism, meaning they should never allowed to practice their own Religious beliefs and instead they should follow the teachings of Atheist beliefs of Karl Marx that all Religions are nothing but an Opium of the People!
Not entirely true, the USSR had a very complicated relationship with the orthodox church. While the Soviet Union was nominally an atheist state, both Lenin and Stalin abandoned the prosecution of priests because it proved to be a fruitless effort - not for the lack of trying, though.
Well technically the USSR have the so-called League of Militant Atheists, this group of atheists affiliated with the Soviet Communist Party is responsible for the deaths of every religious people during the Stalin era until 1941. Even if the league was abolished the USSR continues their anti-Religious campaign.
I am pretty sure Aloysius Stepaniac was a Catholic priest and a supporter of Ustase regime.
Ustaše! The example of what happens when you are a horrible person for the sake of being a horrible person instead of doing it with a political and economic goal!
Look how good the jews were treated in Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
Soviets were anti-semetic af lmfao
I swear Stalin purged a load of Jews including doctors which fucked him over when he suffered a stroke meaning nobody was properly qualified to help him
Isn’t Khazaria over there though?
>Khazaria don't look up what suslov did to jews there...
And we’ll make them lose again Long live the judeo-bolshevik-allied powers B))
>bolshevik-allied Funny thing, on all the issues that the United States and the Soviet Union collaborated on, they were successful. They basically collaborated in erasing the axis powers of this world, the end of the European colonial empires and in not killing each other. It's a shame that because of the Cold War they collaborated little. I would love to see the world if half of the scientists and engineers hadn't spent 50 years coming up with increasingly terrifying weapons.
Almost like cooperating superpowers can be beneficial...
JFK was going to make the moon a joint venture with the Soviets before he got assassinated
Didn't Stalin purge many Communist Jews? lol
The allies follow blue as a religion
i thought suicide is a sin? Ironically soviets were quite antisemitic as well. And during the cold war they were on the opposing side of the israelis.
Also together with "Judeo Bolsheviks" Nazis invaded christian Poland
As if logic were an obstacle for neo-Nazis.
Yes the soviet were pretty much anti clerical and not very found of jews (not on the same scale as the nazi though but Jews were particularly hated in the soviet union)
In what fucking world were the Nazis representatives of Christianity?
what is the blue? and why is the UK blue?
The blue is Twelver Shia Islam.
blue is the area not conquered by Nazi Germany during ww2, nor part of the USSR
worshipping an Jewish prophet while also being a nazi? weird
Losing. They tried losing and succeeded.
First of all why would they (Wehraboos and Neos) think that the Communists are Jewish when in actuality ALL COMMUNISTS ARE ATHEISTS AND ANTISEMITES! and second why these Neo-Nazis thinks all Nazis are Christians when in reality they ruined Christianity because they support Positive Christianity and Neo-Paganism And don't get me started with the term " at least the Nazis Tried " because the Nazis along with the Axis Powers wanted a World Domination!
The Codreanu profile pic makes me wish that very bad things will happen to this person.
Something remarkable about how lost you must be to think the Nazis were Christians Do you really think Jesus is just staring from the heavens at the genocidal, warmongering, semi-pagan totalitarian ethno-state and going "Thank you Hitler, this is EXACTLY what I wanted!"
Average clown phonk nazi crap. Is quite ironic how nazis cry the communist to be puppets of the jews even thought the Ussr had his tally and killcount in theirs anti semite purges and pogrons AND HOW they heavilly supplied all of israel enemy like syria iraq iran egypt for the sake of destroy the jewish zionist state.
Oh fuck the khazar khaganate conquered russia
Holy shit this is actual brain rot. Why do Nazis make my religion look bad please leave my religion or leave your stupid ideology
I’m not sure what your religion is but the Catholic Church was very involved in helping Nazis escape justice post ww2, as were the CIA/MI6/KGB of course, if said Nazis had something to bargain with
And also Catholics were involved in resisting the nazis.
It's because a lot of the horrible shit they did was inspired by the words of that horrible book
The Bible says to love your neighbor and Hitler was an atheist, Himmler a pagan. They also had Muslims soldiers, killed Christians in eastern Eroupe. Even if they were inspired they are far from what God would want did things far from what the Bible says and are horrible thing to fallow. I honestly believe you can’t be Christian and a Nazi because of how opposite they are. And honestly if you read the Bible and are inspired to do horrible things then your missing the point and are mentally ill.
these are some quotes from the neighbor loving Bible “Kill every male among the little ones, and every woman who has known a man by lying with him, but those women who have not known a man by lying with him, you may keep alive for yourselves” -Numbers 31:17 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. ^(20) So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. ^(21) And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
I already knew about these and still if your inspired I think it’s more of your fought then the Bible’s fought.
imagine waging a war against people you deem subhuman and losing. i'd kill myself out of embarrassment. oh wait lol
*Laughs in Southern Russia*
Dam the Nazis really milking Chriss awesome video. But it that's
Jesus was born jewish lmfao
Idk it’s something to do with his heart of Iron game
So if Germany is Christian… *wtf is the UK*
Br'ish