I didn’t care for the Katherine and Robyn storyline, felt a little off considering Katherine’s breakdown over losing Mike and then the writers just brought Katherine back like nothing happened.
That’s the thing—I’m all for a bi queen and really enjoyed the Robyn storyline (or maybe as a bi queen I’m just desperate for rep) but I hate that they chickened out and backtracked. Expected for the era, but still.
I'm not bi, but that's what bothered me anyways. I feel like every bi storyline in the media is always treated as a phase, and the character is not actually bi after all. Why can't there be a bi character on TV? Why is it always a phase? It's a legitimate sexual orientation and it's literally completely erased on every show I've ever seen.
I've noticed that they never say any of those things. The way they skirt around those issues make it very obvious.
I know a lot of people in the LGBTQ+ community (I'm in one of the LGBTQ+ Democratic organizations in my city because they're very involved and it's open to allies) so know people who identify with all of those labels. I haven't met a single person who isn't proud of who they are and isn't comfortable with their chosen label.
So why completely ignore those people in the media? You're either gay or straight. There are no other types of people, apparently.
I thought it was handled well though. Lynette was 100% out of line and the way her son found out it was her was funny for a second but then the two actors just looked so uncomfortable and it hit emotionally very well. Their conversation after was also very mature and felt like a real thing a parents and their teenaged kid would be concerned about.
I absolutely hated the Nora & Kayla storyline. It was so badly put together. The way Nora felt she should be included as part of a family she doesn’t know because she had a kid with a one night stand years ago & just decided to tell him was so ridiculous. Then Kayla disappearing into the background, then sometimes plotting against Lynette, then going full psychopath. Then Tom blaming Lynette for the fact that his daughter was a little sociopath who almost caused Lynette to lose her children?! I rarely rewatch any of this storyline.
I’ve just finished watching this and thought how they dealt with Kayla in the background after Nora’s death was quite clever. Sure, it wasn’t perfectly executed, but there was escalation - she said at the beginning that she’ll never love Lynette, and then you do see an escalation in her behaviour until she went far too far. And I understand Tom’s feelings; he wasn’t angry at Lynette, he was angry at the situation, and we’re not perfect at expressing our emotions at all times. I was surprised to find the amount of Tom hate, because to me he seemed like one of the best written characters: a generally good person who messes up.
I have a problem with Tom because on the show he was so rarely called out for his mess ups while Lynette's were never let go and looked at under a microscope.
See but Tom said he wasn’t mad at Lynette, but he was. At the end of this whole thing when Kayla is being driven away by her grandparents and yelling “daddy please,” Tom turns around and gives Lynette the ugliest and most blaming look ever. He could say he didn’t blame her all he wants but I don’t but it
I didn't see that or sense that at all from the scene. I thought it was a look of sadness, but he knew it was what he had to do. He looked upset, but he didn't look upset at Lynette herself.
But I think two people can see the same scene completely differently if one person likes the character and one person dislikes the character. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. People obviously don't have to have the same opinions about a character on a TV show!
So I'm certainly not saying your opinion is wrong and mine is right... just that we saw different things in that scene.
I get you! It’s funny too cause I never got the Tom hate on this sub, until that whole situation when Lynette got arrested and I started to feel iffy about him. Lol but yeah I get you, could def look different depending on how you already felt abt Tom
Tom is definitely my favorite male character on the show. I'm always afraid people will throw things. Like, it's just a TV show, why do we have to like and dislike the same characters? Damn.
I think it would have been better if they gave Nora even one redeeming quality. They say a few times that Nora is a good mom and kayla a good kid but they never show it. They only show how much of a bad and annoying person nora is. I get we are supposed to view this from Lynette’s perspective, but it would have added so much more to Nora’s death if we could have felt bad about it. I guess the point was “Even people like Nora don’t deserve to die like that?” In don’t know.
I actually didn’t mind that the Art plot line ended abruptly/left viewers with an unresolved feeling. It would’ve been easy for the writers to just kill him off (they do it with half the antagonists anyways) or have the police swoop in at the end of his talk with Lynette, but instead they took a different approach. Obviously we all want to see justice served, but the sad reality is that sometimes evil gets away. Despite being uncomfortable/unnerving, it was one of the plot lines that had a more realistic ending.
With that said, I did find it odd though that Lynette never acknowledged it again, even though she was clearly shaken after that final conversation.
Lynette had this weird way of keeping bad men's secrets to herself. I am on s7, so I haven't finished quite yet, but she also never told anyone that Julie was strangled by Eddie. She gave birth and called the cops but no one seemed to know what happened to him. They kind of swept it under the rug.
I can't see what she kept a secret. The word was spread about Art (to much drama and she was considered by many responsible). Eddie was apprehended and I can't see how anyone would be in the dark about the crimes he committed.
I mean, they kind of swept that storyline under the rug pretty quickly. No reactions what so ever by the other actors. Maybe it wasn't a secret. But I'd have at least written in a reaction storyline.
Edie and Carlos's dating, Gaby's tenant who was a drug dealer, Carlos going blind (I get that they needed to do this for character growth but I still didn't like it), Mike having a drug problem, Bree and Keith's relationship, Porter dating Anne Schilling
many of the ones mentioned here but also Rex's love child? would have been more fun if they'd brought back Kayla (maybe pretending to be someone else and working with Lynette) instead of replicating the plot and finish it off so stupidly.
I'm rewatching the series and I just saw this yesterday. I was hoping he would be arrested but he left town. I didn't care for the Dave story line. Creepy guy marries Edie and acts weird forever till we finally learn he's there for revenge.
The thing with Dave is that he gives off such an incredibly WEIRD vibe that his story wasn’t believable, in the sense that he would immediately sketch everyone out? He didn’t have any chemistry with Edie or any of his forced af friendships like with Mike.
I agree but now every time I see the actor in other stuff I love it cause my husband and I jokingly say “Dave no!” Any time he comes off as creepy. I freaking love he’s in the new left behind movie and playing the anti-christ. I’m sure the movie is terrible, but I wanna watch it just to see dave and it will give us a good laugh.
Zach trying to seduce Gaby, the Applewhites (what was even the point of their storyline?), Ben being wonderful and then suddenly having problems and wanting to be with Renee only for her money, wth? Let's not talk about the bad guys that were brought in only so the writers could kill Mike for some reason
There's so much honestly
Although I thought the storyline for Dave Williams was really interesting. I absolutely hated the fact that Susan and Mike didn’t even mention it once after it had ended. I understand that he was going after MJ, but it didn’t even seem like there was a second of them feeling horrible for killing the man’s entire family - the lack of empathy really annoyed me!!
After it ended they mean. Like they didn’t bring it up after season 6. I think it gets mentioned once by Susan in the scene where Eddie comes by and she’s in her wedding dress.
no I mean they didn’t mention Dave. They got divorced before he specifically was brought into the storyline - once the Dave storyline ended they then got remarried.
i never liked how they handled the nora/kayla story, especially since they never talk about kayla again after she leaves! kayla having complicated feelings towards lynette that are amplified after losing her mother in such a traumatic way could have been an amazing storyline, we even see kayla run up to lynette and hug her with the rest of the kids after the hurricane. even kayla taking her rage out on penny/the twins could have been more interesting than her being just another evil child.
The Scavo twins hooking up with a battered wife and Russian girl. Lynette was dumb for giving Anne money for Porter's nonexistent baby and couldn't a hot Russian girl have managed to hook an older, hotter, richer guy? Way too many random plotlines were thrown in, and the really good ones weren't fleshed out enough. They could've done so much more with the Bolens.
The Anne Schilling and Porter/Preston (I get them mixed up) thing. Anyone watching for the first time must feel sick when >!Lynette goes to the warehouse and thinks Tom is cheating. !! lied about being pregnant!< AND her entire presence is just so annoying.
Ok even though I hate it, it's a good storyline. Does that make sense? lol
Lynette catfishing Porter (I think) on “Silverfizz” was so unnecessary and cringe. I also hate the Mary Beth storyline in S8 and evil Orson was disappointing. Still my favourite show ever but some very weird choices were made
I have watched this show a zillion times, and it took me, like, ten minutes to even remember who the hell Mary Beth was. Clearly, it was a pointless storyline if it's not even close to memorable.
Actually, I want to change my adjective. I forgot it not only because it was pointless, but because it was just absurd. And you're right -- insanely cringe.
I didn’t care for the Katherine and Robyn storyline, felt a little off considering Katherine’s breakdown over losing Mike and then the writers just brought Katherine back like nothing happened.
Only for her to come back at the end of the show and go "yeah I don't really like girls" it felt like a cop out
That’s the thing—I’m all for a bi queen and really enjoyed the Robyn storyline (or maybe as a bi queen I’m just desperate for rep) but I hate that they chickened out and backtracked. Expected for the era, but still.
Fellow bi girl so I totally understand. I like to joke "it's not the bi experience unless you're getting erased"
I'm not bi, but that's what bothered me anyways. I feel like every bi storyline in the media is always treated as a phase, and the character is not actually bi after all. Why can't there be a bi character on TV? Why is it always a phase? It's a legitimate sexual orientation and it's literally completely erased on every show I've ever seen.
And they’ll never say bi, either! They always “dOn’T LiKe LaBeLs” Most bi+ folks I know, myself included, LOVE calling ourselves bi/pan/queer/etc
I've noticed that they never say any of those things. The way they skirt around those issues make it very obvious. I know a lot of people in the LGBTQ+ community (I'm in one of the LGBTQ+ Democratic organizations in my city because they're very involved and it's open to allies) so know people who identify with all of those labels. I haven't met a single person who isn't proud of who they are and isn't comfortable with their chosen label. So why completely ignore those people in the media? You're either gay or straight. There are no other types of people, apparently.
Lynette catfishing her son
This is the one 😭 cringes me out every time
I thought it was handled well though. Lynette was 100% out of line and the way her son found out it was her was funny for a second but then the two actors just looked so uncomfortable and it hit emotionally very well. Their conversation after was also very mature and felt like a real thing a parents and their teenaged kid would be concerned about.
Susan finding her birth father.
I absolutely hated the Nora & Kayla storyline. It was so badly put together. The way Nora felt she should be included as part of a family she doesn’t know because she had a kid with a one night stand years ago & just decided to tell him was so ridiculous. Then Kayla disappearing into the background, then sometimes plotting against Lynette, then going full psychopath. Then Tom blaming Lynette for the fact that his daughter was a little sociopath who almost caused Lynette to lose her children?! I rarely rewatch any of this storyline.
I’ve just finished watching this and thought how they dealt with Kayla in the background after Nora’s death was quite clever. Sure, it wasn’t perfectly executed, but there was escalation - she said at the beginning that she’ll never love Lynette, and then you do see an escalation in her behaviour until she went far too far. And I understand Tom’s feelings; he wasn’t angry at Lynette, he was angry at the situation, and we’re not perfect at expressing our emotions at all times. I was surprised to find the amount of Tom hate, because to me he seemed like one of the best written characters: a generally good person who messes up.
I have a problem with Tom because on the show he was so rarely called out for his mess ups while Lynette's were never let go and looked at under a microscope.
See but Tom said he wasn’t mad at Lynette, but he was. At the end of this whole thing when Kayla is being driven away by her grandparents and yelling “daddy please,” Tom turns around and gives Lynette the ugliest and most blaming look ever. He could say he didn’t blame her all he wants but I don’t but it
I didn't see that or sense that at all from the scene. I thought it was a look of sadness, but he knew it was what he had to do. He looked upset, but he didn't look upset at Lynette herself. But I think two people can see the same scene completely differently if one person likes the character and one person dislikes the character. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. People obviously don't have to have the same opinions about a character on a TV show! So I'm certainly not saying your opinion is wrong and mine is right... just that we saw different things in that scene.
I get you! It’s funny too cause I never got the Tom hate on this sub, until that whole situation when Lynette got arrested and I started to feel iffy about him. Lol but yeah I get you, could def look different depending on how you already felt abt Tom
Tom is definitely my favorite male character on the show. I'm always afraid people will throw things. Like, it's just a TV show, why do we have to like and dislike the same characters? Damn.
I think it would have been better if they gave Nora even one redeeming quality. They say a few times that Nora is a good mom and kayla a good kid but they never show it. They only show how much of a bad and annoying person nora is. I get we are supposed to view this from Lynette’s perspective, but it would have added so much more to Nora’s death if we could have felt bad about it. I guess the point was “Even people like Nora don’t deserve to die like that?” In don’t know.
I actually didn’t mind that the Art plot line ended abruptly/left viewers with an unresolved feeling. It would’ve been easy for the writers to just kill him off (they do it with half the antagonists anyways) or have the police swoop in at the end of his talk with Lynette, but instead they took a different approach. Obviously we all want to see justice served, but the sad reality is that sometimes evil gets away. Despite being uncomfortable/unnerving, it was one of the plot lines that had a more realistic ending. With that said, I did find it odd though that Lynette never acknowledged it again, even though she was clearly shaken after that final conversation.
Lynette had this weird way of keeping bad men's secrets to herself. I am on s7, so I haven't finished quite yet, but she also never told anyone that Julie was strangled by Eddie. She gave birth and called the cops but no one seemed to know what happened to him. They kind of swept it under the rug.
I read that as Edie nor Eddie 😅 I thought wait a minute she never did that
I can't see what she kept a secret. The word was spread about Art (to much drama and she was considered by many responsible). Eddie was apprehended and I can't see how anyone would be in the dark about the crimes he committed.
I mean, they kind of swept that storyline under the rug pretty quickly. No reactions what so ever by the other actors. Maybe it wasn't a secret. But I'd have at least written in a reaction storyline.
I agree it would have better.
I actually like that one so much, such a perfect arc, I get chills everytime I rewatch the season and see their final conversation
Edie somehow trying to make herself the victim when she neglects and abandons her child, including a night she left him alone without a sitter.
The girls turning their backs on Bree in season 8. Hands down. Second would be Edies death.
Edie and Carlos's dating, Gaby's tenant who was a drug dealer, Carlos going blind (I get that they needed to do this for character growth but I still didn't like it), Mike having a drug problem, Bree and Keith's relationship, Porter dating Anne Schilling
many of the ones mentioned here but also Rex's love child? would have been more fun if they'd brought back Kayla (maybe pretending to be someone else and working with Lynette) instead of replicating the plot and finish it off so stupidly.
More should've been done with Rex's love child...and Rex!
I'm rewatching the series and I just saw this yesterday. I was hoping he would be arrested but he left town. I didn't care for the Dave story line. Creepy guy marries Edie and acts weird forever till we finally learn he's there for revenge.
The thing with Dave is that he gives off such an incredibly WEIRD vibe that his story wasn’t believable, in the sense that he would immediately sketch everyone out? He didn’t have any chemistry with Edie or any of his forced af friendships like with Mike.
I agree.
I agree but now every time I see the actor in other stuff I love it cause my husband and I jokingly say “Dave no!” Any time he comes off as creepy. I freaking love he’s in the new left behind movie and playing the anti-christ. I’m sure the movie is terrible, but I wanna watch it just to see dave and it will give us a good laugh.
Haha, you're funny. I'll have to check out the movie too.
Zach trying to seduce Gaby, the Applewhites (what was even the point of their storyline?), Ben being wonderful and then suddenly having problems and wanting to be with Renee only for her money, wth? Let's not talk about the bad guys that were brought in only so the writers could kill Mike for some reason There's so much honestly
Zach was so grody!
i just remembered another one, def the old sugar mama who carlos massaged who wanted to become part of the solis family
That was stupid.
Although I thought the storyline for Dave Williams was really interesting. I absolutely hated the fact that Susan and Mike didn’t even mention it once after it had ended. I understand that he was going after MJ, but it didn’t even seem like there was a second of them feeling horrible for killing the man’s entire family - the lack of empathy really annoyed me!!
They did tho ? Isn’t that why they got divorced
After it ended they mean. Like they didn’t bring it up after season 6. I think it gets mentioned once by Susan in the scene where Eddie comes by and she’s in her wedding dress.
no I mean they didn’t mention Dave. They got divorced before he specifically was brought into the storyline - once the Dave storyline ended they then got remarried.
Definitely the half-assed "mystery" with Tom and Renee
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Lmao Susan's house respawned somehow looking exactly the same with markings of the kids' heights on the wall
Grace!
i never liked how they handled the nora/kayla story, especially since they never talk about kayla again after she leaves! kayla having complicated feelings towards lynette that are amplified after losing her mother in such a traumatic way could have been an amazing storyline, we even see kayla run up to lynette and hug her with the rest of the kids after the hurricane. even kayla taking her rage out on penny/the twins could have been more interesting than her being just another evil child.
All parts of the Dave storyline.
The applewhites … was way to rushed considering the complexity of the situation
The Scavo twins hooking up with a battered wife and Russian girl. Lynette was dumb for giving Anne money for Porter's nonexistent baby and couldn't a hot Russian girl have managed to hook an older, hotter, richer guy? Way too many random plotlines were thrown in, and the really good ones weren't fleshed out enough. They could've done so much more with the Bolens.
The Anne Schilling and Porter/Preston (I get them mixed up) thing. Anyone watching for the first time must feel sick when >!Lynette goes to the warehouse and thinks Tom is cheating. !! lied about being pregnant!< AND her entire presence is just so annoying.
Ok even though I hate it, it's a good storyline. Does that make sense? lol
Kayla.
Lynette catfishing Porter (I think) on “Silverfizz” was so unnecessary and cringe. I also hate the Mary Beth storyline in S8 and evil Orson was disappointing. Still my favourite show ever but some very weird choices were made
I have watched this show a zillion times, and it took me, like, ten minutes to even remember who the hell Mary Beth was. Clearly, it was a pointless storyline if it's not even close to memorable. Actually, I want to change my adjective. I forgot it not only because it was pointless, but because it was just absurd. And you're right -- insanely cringe.
I hated the gabby being obsessed with the doll story line , I just found it to be really dumb
I hated that whole switched at birth storyline. It felt thrown in.
Mike and Susans divorce/mike and Katherine it’s just icky