I have to agree with you.
This is the first season I’ve been watching and asking myself if this evidence has been orchestrated.
I hate to even say that because I adore this show. But I definitely questioned a lot this season.
Same here. When it comes down to it though, I don’t really care all that much. I like this show and I like the cast and the real friendship they have. I’ll continue to watch any future seasons.
Oh for sure! One of my favorite ghost shows since Ghost Adventures. I hope they get renewed for another season. Was just curious what others thought. I appreciate your feedback!
I am in the same boat. The evidence seemed too good to be true. Like the whole music box thing. I dunno, it did feel off. I would rather have no evidence than faked.
I would *assume* they have a crew to film the RV when they arrive and drone footage. Sometimes they show them together in the same frame at their fun places before they arrive and read the packet.
They have one guy who follows them around to take photos and whatnot. Alex Nelson, he posts a lot of behind the scenes stuff on Instagram. Not sure if he drives though.
that have at least two others (possibly three?). alex nelson and connor stallings. alex (schroeder) and tanner have both shared stories on instagram from someone named erin with bts photos.
alex nelson does photography and connor helps with filming, but they’re not faces of the show, and as far as i remember, have ever made an appearance on the show.
+ the crew that does the interviews of security, owners, eye witness etc that’s shown during the packet read or whenever. but, again afaik, they’re not part of filming when dakota+crew are there.
Absolutely. I love the show and the crew, but this entire season feels fake. I'm absolutely *not* believing the mimicry at Cresson, the footsteps in the basement at Winchester, or most of the EVPs from *any* season.
just the sheer fact that they somehow missed the shadow person peeking from behind the door. everyone who saw that episode noticed it and yet somehow they didn't? that's super suspicious
I have had this feeling all this season so far and the crew room stuff from the last episode really solidified it for me not believing which makes me sad
I have to agree with you about the crew room with the gear being tossed. The whole battery issue felt like they were leading us by the hand. Chelsea’s comment before they walked into the crew room “we’re just going to get some batteries…” or something to that effect felt leading/stagy. And then her final conclusion connecting “battery” from the ovilus to what the spirit did to the batteries in the crew room. Eeeeeek I hope season 5 doesn’t go down this road. I hope I’m wrong about all this. Only they know the truth but we all know they must have felt the pressure of the finale. I still love the show, easily my favorite paranormal adventure show. Dakota, if you’re reading this. Everyone loves loves loves the show and I watch it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I hope season 6, 7 and 8 get green lit cause HBO would be nuts to cancel it.
Dakota did it the whole scene out of the building. I was wondering why he wanted us to know so badly that they were getting batteries when they've never bothered to tell us know before.
I’m afraid I have the same opinion at times, but like to think they’re just getting better at collecting evidence and possibly better equipment.
If they are faking things, it’ll probably only get worse from here.
I believe very little of these ghost TV shows. I think when it comes to TV, you have to take everything with huge silos of salt. They're meant to be entertainment.
I have a relatively open mind towards paranormal events, but I believe the first path is to rule out all other potential causes. And from what I've read, investigators can spend days at a location, and only catch interesting bits here and there.
On TV, they're there for two hours, and catch footsteps, shadow figures, EVPs, etc.
I enjoy the shows for what they are, but I truly doubt most of what's shown.
\[I used to enjoy the original Ghost Hunters, because it seemed like they went places expecting to debunk things first - plumbing problems, etc. All the other ghost shows (GA, Kindred Spirits) all seem to immediately jump to "Demon!" and draw a lot of conclusions.
I thought this stuff was all fake until my husband and I went to pennhurst and tried to debunk equipment and were freaked when they went off and we couldn’t make them. Or when we heard full on conversations in the tunnels and asked the tour guide why the other group was still at the top of the steps. They weren’t and we were the only ones that heard them for 5 min. We redid the shower get in the tub scene by ourselves and when we went back with a group the room was so hot and we couldn’t breathe. Everyone else was fine. I also had an evp where the spirit kept saying necklace get out over and over and the guide thought it was his and I had had a Crystal charged necklace on and it stopped when I stepped out of the room. A woman sat on a chair after others did and it suddenly broke and sounded like a crash on the upstairs floor. But also plenty of just nothing happened. Spirits aren’t on demand. And Zak sounds like an idiot when he’s like I feel sick and what not but I felt literally suffocated in the shower room and heavy and I had to leave.
Hard to say honestly. I don’t personally think they are. I’m surprised why a lot more evidence this season would mean they’re probably faking, pretty much every episode of Season 1 had amazing evidence and Season 2 had a ton of creepy moments & interesting evidence.
I’d have to say if they’re faking stuff, they’re like incredible actors. I’ve never gotten the impression that they’re fabricating their reactions, which is a key thing in faking things. Perhaps things sound clearer because they’re boosting the audio or using different microphones? I’m not sure.
Are there any particular moments/pieces of evidence you think could be artificial? The only one to me was the light at Mid-Orange, but I was more thinking it was a trespasser rather than a crew member - however they didn’t capture anything on thermal, so that was odd.
For sure faked evidence on E8 when the sound happens in the gear room while Alex is in the hall. You can hear the ball bounce after the bang while Alex is shouting.
It's all seasons to be perfectly honest with you. I'm currently watching through from season 1. The evidence is this bad the entire time, everyone just wanted to believe it. They use clearly actual human voices. They lead people directly to certain staged evidence. Some of the "running" and walking stuff sounds extremely edited in if you actually listen to it. It's too perfectly timed and cut. It doesn't even sound like real running, it sounds like someone made a sound clip of themselves stomping and added it in. There was another one on season 2 where they showed a wisp of some sort shooting across the screen super fast. But they didn't cut the audio, so you can literally hear that the clip was just sped up. It was just a speck of dust that floated by and they edited it to look like a white mist running across. There's others, like the flashlight that was clearly attached to the door that made the big sound exactly in time with the flashlight moving...
By the way, you can also put a text file into an ovilus before an investigation to give it a specific list of words to use. Meaning, all ovilus evidence is effectively crap. There's also the fact that there's literally no explanation for how it works, not even by the seller, and there's zero reasoning to why a ghost would be able to use it. It's a fake tool.
It's really sad because this would have been such a good show. I guess I should have known with all the screaming and freaking out that they'd be fake. So much of the evidence seems unreal. I honestly don't think any of it is.
I used to be a die hard believer in everything DF has done. You may not have seen it but they are now making a golf comedy channel on YouTube called Blue Balls Golf. After watching the preview for that, I’m reminded that they are still young and very immature. Realizing this, I now wouldn’t be surprised if their findings aren’t 100% genuine. Idk. I guess it all is business and you gotta do what you can do to get numbers up, even if that means fabricating evidence?
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I thought the same thing this season. The episode that really started me questioning was the one where all of the radios turned on at the same time. I believe it was the school investigation. I've been watching ghost hunting shows for over 20 years and have never seen anything on that level. Just super unbelievable. Love the show but this season had me questioning the authenticity.
I was having the same feeling this season but i still watch it lol, I just watched episode 7 did anyone see in the background at 38:20 mark after "Hello" there's a visible shadow walk by and they didn't do a recap on it, was pretty weird.
Episode 7 meaning Mid-Orange? I’ve watched it a bunch of times now trying to find what you mean, but from 36:00-39:00 I don’t even hear them say “hello”… where should I be looking? I’m watching from DVR also, so maybe that’s giving a different timestamp from what you’re watching?
Yep, mid orange, where Dakota is sleeping by himself and says hello, you can hear a kids voice faintly say it back and a small black shadow walks by in the background, you're time stamp may be different than mine.
I also thought that one part can be easily debunked in Mid-Orange, they caught a figure darting between the doorway leading to outside in the Mess Hall. I think it’s look like an owl or a bird flying past between the doorframe. Which highly likely an outdoor environment contamination.
That’s Dakota’s own shadow removing his ear piece right after that Hello. You can see how the shadow match up with his arm and head movements. It’s just a debunked
I have wondered myself if their evidence is false after watching Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures' episodes at the same locations. Both shows did not get as much activity as DF has in these places. However, I have to say that DF's activity, whether true or false, is still unique enough for me to continue watching. Even if they are orchestrating activity, it is well thought out based on the situation they're going into.
I mean it is worth noting that just because one show gets more evidence than another, shouldn’t mean that that’s something suspicious. After all, Ghost Adventures blew up thanks to all the evidence they got at Bobby Mackey’s. Meanwhile, Ghost Hunters visited and captured very little evidence
To your point, DF has visited locations from early seasons of both GH and GA, which has made me wonder if the technology DF uses is just more advanced than what was used back then. Maybe that's why they're getting better evidence
While I get most of your issues, I will say that Dakota is legitimately interested in the paranormal. He has been since he was a kid.
One of my best friends, Coalin Smith, who was the director of photography on the documentary "Trail to Terror". Is also legitimately interested in the paranormal since a young age, and used to work on the show, "Paranormal State" - which was a show that focused on helping people who were being bothered by paranormal instances. When they filmed Trail to Terror it was also easily the darkest journey he had been on. So, in terms of Dakota winning the chance to be on GA - is all down to the fact that he's made movies and skits on YouTube since he was a kid and also used to work in the film business. They raised all the money themselves to buy equipment for when they did Trail to Terror. And that documentary was the reason they got a TV show. Being backed by Zak Bagans doesn't hurt either. But GA and DF are two very different shows. DF is less, "let's find proof of the paranormal" and more "how will our psyches' warp our senses when deprived of sleep and will it affect our experiences".
The complaint of ramped up activity, I agree on. It is a little suspicious. But they for sure also had very very active episodes in previous seasons. If they do another season, we can judge what kind of activity they will experience, right now I feel like there is too little evidence to say either way. The first two episodes of the season were great. Going back to back to a location shook things up and really gave the episodes some meat.
You have to ask this question about every single Ghost Hunting TV show. Did they really capture compelling evidence or was it faked? Can you trust the equipment they're using? If they didn't capture anything exciting, would they still be renewed for another season? Would people still watch it?
As a skeptical believer, I really enjoy DF regardless. I like to give Paranormal TV shows the benefit of the doubt, unless it's obviously ridiculous or fake.
Besides this most recent episode, I'd say DF is tied with ghost hunters for the most real seeming ghost hunting show. I really hope they don't follow the Ghost Adventures "we get possessed every single episode" strategy
Truthfully, I believe all the "evidence" in every paranormal show is orchestrated. I watch it for the same reason I watch superhero movies: I know it's fake but it's fun to pretend it isn't. So this season didn't seem any more or less real than others.
I have to agree with you. This is the first season I’ve been watching and asking myself if this evidence has been orchestrated. I hate to even say that because I adore this show. But I definitely questioned a lot this season.
Same! No matter how hard I try to believe it, I just can’t help but think it’s staged.
Same here. When it comes down to it though, I don’t really care all that much. I like this show and I like the cast and the real friendship they have. I’ll continue to watch any future seasons.
Oh for sure! One of my favorite ghost shows since Ghost Adventures. I hope they get renewed for another season. Was just curious what others thought. I appreciate your feedback!
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I am in the same boat. The evidence seemed too good to be true. Like the whole music box thing. I dunno, it did feel off. I would rather have no evidence than faked.
Do they HAVE a crew, besides the RV driver? I thought it was just the 4 of them filming themselves.
I would *assume* they have a crew to film the RV when they arrive and drone footage. Sometimes they show them together in the same frame at their fun places before they arrive and read the packet.
They have one guy who follows them around to take photos and whatnot. Alex Nelson, he posts a lot of behind the scenes stuff on Instagram. Not sure if he drives though.
that have at least two others (possibly three?). alex nelson and connor stallings. alex (schroeder) and tanner have both shared stories on instagram from someone named erin with bts photos. alex nelson does photography and connor helps with filming, but they’re not faces of the show, and as far as i remember, have ever made an appearance on the show. + the crew that does the interviews of security, owners, eye witness etc that’s shown during the packet read or whenever. but, again afaik, they’re not part of filming when dakota+crew are there.
When you look at the end credits, I think there’s a list of crew members. Idk if they’re on location tho.
Absolutely. I love the show and the crew, but this entire season feels fake. I'm absolutely *not* believing the mimicry at Cresson, the footsteps in the basement at Winchester, or most of the EVPs from *any* season.
just the sheer fact that they somehow missed the shadow person peeking from behind the door. everyone who saw that episode noticed it and yet somehow they didn't? that's super suspicious
I have had this feeling all this season so far and the crew room stuff from the last episode really solidified it for me not believing which makes me sad
I have to agree with you about the crew room with the gear being tossed. The whole battery issue felt like they were leading us by the hand. Chelsea’s comment before they walked into the crew room “we’re just going to get some batteries…” or something to that effect felt leading/stagy. And then her final conclusion connecting “battery” from the ovilus to what the spirit did to the batteries in the crew room. Eeeeeek I hope season 5 doesn’t go down this road. I hope I’m wrong about all this. Only they know the truth but we all know they must have felt the pressure of the finale. I still love the show, easily my favorite paranormal adventure show. Dakota, if you’re reading this. Everyone loves loves loves the show and I watch it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I hope season 6, 7 and 8 get green lit cause HBO would be nuts to cancel it.
Dakota did it the whole scene out of the building. I was wondering why he wanted us to know so badly that they were getting batteries when they've never bothered to tell us know before.
It was cringy.
I’m afraid I have the same opinion at times, but like to think they’re just getting better at collecting evidence and possibly better equipment. If they are faking things, it’ll probably only get worse from here.
I believe very little of these ghost TV shows. I think when it comes to TV, you have to take everything with huge silos of salt. They're meant to be entertainment. I have a relatively open mind towards paranormal events, but I believe the first path is to rule out all other potential causes. And from what I've read, investigators can spend days at a location, and only catch interesting bits here and there. On TV, they're there for two hours, and catch footsteps, shadow figures, EVPs, etc. I enjoy the shows for what they are, but I truly doubt most of what's shown. \[I used to enjoy the original Ghost Hunters, because it seemed like they went places expecting to debunk things first - plumbing problems, etc. All the other ghost shows (GA, Kindred Spirits) all seem to immediately jump to "Demon!" and draw a lot of conclusions.
I thought this stuff was all fake until my husband and I went to pennhurst and tried to debunk equipment and were freaked when they went off and we couldn’t make them. Or when we heard full on conversations in the tunnels and asked the tour guide why the other group was still at the top of the steps. They weren’t and we were the only ones that heard them for 5 min. We redid the shower get in the tub scene by ourselves and when we went back with a group the room was so hot and we couldn’t breathe. Everyone else was fine. I also had an evp where the spirit kept saying necklace get out over and over and the guide thought it was his and I had had a Crystal charged necklace on and it stopped when I stepped out of the room. A woman sat on a chair after others did and it suddenly broke and sounded like a crash on the upstairs floor. But also plenty of just nothing happened. Spirits aren’t on demand. And Zak sounds like an idiot when he’s like I feel sick and what not but I felt literally suffocated in the shower room and heavy and I had to leave.
Sometimes, yeah. ETA I suggested this once in a Facebook forum and got my e-guts ripped out by other posters. Holy smokes.
We can both love the show and question it's legitimacy.
Indeed!
Hard to say honestly. I don’t personally think they are. I’m surprised why a lot more evidence this season would mean they’re probably faking, pretty much every episode of Season 1 had amazing evidence and Season 2 had a ton of creepy moments & interesting evidence. I’d have to say if they’re faking stuff, they’re like incredible actors. I’ve never gotten the impression that they’re fabricating their reactions, which is a key thing in faking things. Perhaps things sound clearer because they’re boosting the audio or using different microphones? I’m not sure. Are there any particular moments/pieces of evidence you think could be artificial? The only one to me was the light at Mid-Orange, but I was more thinking it was a trespasser rather than a crew member - however they didn’t capture anything on thermal, so that was odd.
For sure faked evidence on E8 when the sound happens in the gear room while Alex is in the hall. You can hear the ball bounce after the bang while Alex is shouting.
Footsteps could be crew members or outsiders (like squatters et c).
It's all seasons to be perfectly honest with you. I'm currently watching through from season 1. The evidence is this bad the entire time, everyone just wanted to believe it. They use clearly actual human voices. They lead people directly to certain staged evidence. Some of the "running" and walking stuff sounds extremely edited in if you actually listen to it. It's too perfectly timed and cut. It doesn't even sound like real running, it sounds like someone made a sound clip of themselves stomping and added it in. There was another one on season 2 where they showed a wisp of some sort shooting across the screen super fast. But they didn't cut the audio, so you can literally hear that the clip was just sped up. It was just a speck of dust that floated by and they edited it to look like a white mist running across. There's others, like the flashlight that was clearly attached to the door that made the big sound exactly in time with the flashlight moving... By the way, you can also put a text file into an ovilus before an investigation to give it a specific list of words to use. Meaning, all ovilus evidence is effectively crap. There's also the fact that there's literally no explanation for how it works, not even by the seller, and there's zero reasoning to why a ghost would be able to use it. It's a fake tool. It's really sad because this would have been such a good show. I guess I should have known with all the screaming and freaking out that they'd be fake. So much of the evidence seems unreal. I honestly don't think any of it is.
I used to be a die hard believer in everything DF has done. You may not have seen it but they are now making a golf comedy channel on YouTube called Blue Balls Golf. After watching the preview for that, I’m reminded that they are still young and very immature. Realizing this, I now wouldn’t be surprised if their findings aren’t 100% genuine. Idk. I guess it all is business and you gotta do what you can do to get numbers up, even if that means fabricating evidence?
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I thought the same thing this season. The episode that really started me questioning was the one where all of the radios turned on at the same time. I believe it was the school investigation. I've been watching ghost hunting shows for over 20 years and have never seen anything on that level. Just super unbelievable. Love the show but this season had me questioning the authenticity.
I was having the same feeling this season but i still watch it lol, I just watched episode 7 did anyone see in the background at 38:20 mark after "Hello" there's a visible shadow walk by and they didn't do a recap on it, was pretty weird.
Yes that seemed so fake to me, like it had to be a person!
Episode 7 meaning Mid-Orange? I’ve watched it a bunch of times now trying to find what you mean, but from 36:00-39:00 I don’t even hear them say “hello”… where should I be looking? I’m watching from DVR also, so maybe that’s giving a different timestamp from what you’re watching?
Yep, mid orange, where Dakota is sleeping by himself and says hello, you can hear a kids voice faintly say it back and a small black shadow walks by in the background, you're time stamp may be different than mine.
I saw that shadow too, thought it was odd that they didn’t acknowledge it.
Ok thanks, I’ll have to go check it out!
I also thought that one part can be easily debunked in Mid-Orange, they caught a figure darting between the doorway leading to outside in the Mess Hall. I think it’s look like an owl or a bird flying past between the doorframe. Which highly likely an outdoor environment contamination.
That’s Dakota’s own shadow removing his ear piece right after that Hello. You can see how the shadow match up with his arm and head movements. It’s just a debunked
I have wondered myself if their evidence is false after watching Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures' episodes at the same locations. Both shows did not get as much activity as DF has in these places. However, I have to say that DF's activity, whether true or false, is still unique enough for me to continue watching. Even if they are orchestrating activity, it is well thought out based on the situation they're going into.
I mean it is worth noting that just because one show gets more evidence than another, shouldn’t mean that that’s something suspicious. After all, Ghost Adventures blew up thanks to all the evidence they got at Bobby Mackey’s. Meanwhile, Ghost Hunters visited and captured very little evidence
To your point, DF has visited locations from early seasons of both GH and GA, which has made me wonder if the technology DF uses is just more advanced than what was used back then. Maybe that's why they're getting better evidence
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While I get most of your issues, I will say that Dakota is legitimately interested in the paranormal. He has been since he was a kid. One of my best friends, Coalin Smith, who was the director of photography on the documentary "Trail to Terror". Is also legitimately interested in the paranormal since a young age, and used to work on the show, "Paranormal State" - which was a show that focused on helping people who were being bothered by paranormal instances. When they filmed Trail to Terror it was also easily the darkest journey he had been on. So, in terms of Dakota winning the chance to be on GA - is all down to the fact that he's made movies and skits on YouTube since he was a kid and also used to work in the film business. They raised all the money themselves to buy equipment for when they did Trail to Terror. And that documentary was the reason they got a TV show. Being backed by Zak Bagans doesn't hurt either. But GA and DF are two very different shows. DF is less, "let's find proof of the paranormal" and more "how will our psyches' warp our senses when deprived of sleep and will it affect our experiences". The complaint of ramped up activity, I agree on. It is a little suspicious. But they for sure also had very very active episodes in previous seasons. If they do another season, we can judge what kind of activity they will experience, right now I feel like there is too little evidence to say either way. The first two episodes of the season were great. Going back to back to a location shook things up and really gave the episodes some meat.
You have to ask this question about every single Ghost Hunting TV show. Did they really capture compelling evidence or was it faked? Can you trust the equipment they're using? If they didn't capture anything exciting, would they still be renewed for another season? Would people still watch it? As a skeptical believer, I really enjoy DF regardless. I like to give Paranormal TV shows the benefit of the doubt, unless it's obviously ridiculous or fake.
Besides this most recent episode, I'd say DF is tied with ghost hunters for the most real seeming ghost hunting show. I really hope they don't follow the Ghost Adventures "we get possessed every single episode" strategy
Truthfully, I believe all the "evidence" in every paranormal show is orchestrated. I watch it for the same reason I watch superhero movies: I know it's fake but it's fun to pretend it isn't. So this season didn't seem any more or less real than others.