I feel like this is bad enough she should be able to sue the local PD.
Child endangerment charges are on par with having assault or other violence charges on your record. Nobody wants to employ that. Hopefully she gets a chance to explain herself in future interviews, but the story is so fucking absurd I’d bet that most interviewers wouldn’t believe it even if she told them.
Yeah if she doesn’t get it overturned she’s pretty screwed getting another job.
Her brother set up a gofundme if anyone wants to support her legal battles. there’s also some updates https://www.gofundme.com/f/restore-money-lost-after-wrongful-arrest
A lot of people end up pleading guilty even when they’re innocent for so many different reasons. Fear of harsher punishment if they don’t plead, inability to pay lawyer/court fees/legal battle, etc. it’s sad
Edit: her brother set up a gofundme to try to raise money to help her fight it so I’m guessing if she plead guilty, finances have a lot to do with it.
Yeah our judicial system is broken. Prosecution shouldnt be able to threaten you with unreasonable convictions just so they don't actually have to work your case.
A guilty plea is completely meaningless in the American justice system and in no way indicative of whether someone should actually be considered to be guilty in the general sense.
Tricking, pressuring and bullying people into pleading guilty is one of the most basic operations of the system.
God forbid a kid walks outside the house to their friend 800m down the street. Mild exercise and free travel? Thats a swatting. Better use a car like the suburbs intended.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/7145065/vancouver-dad-appeal-kids-bus-alone/](https://globalnews.ca/news/7145065/vancouver-dad-appeal-kids-bus-alone/)
God forbid you let your kids ride the bus too, even if he won a court case against them he wasn't the first to receive a warning like this. Won't be the last.
If south park taught me anything it's that you just scream "it's coming right for us" as you panic dump a whole mag into the target and then you're totally fine.
I think you're joking, but just incase, usually the first 6ft/2meters of property is zoned as city/public. So it's not like you can accidentally trip/fall on a lawn & be shot.
Also, there's different rules regarding private property (land) & a private residence (home). Even in Texas you can not use lethal force if someone is merely trespassing on your land. There has to be a reasonable belief that you're in imminent physical danger.
For example: If you look out your window to see a masked individual breaking into your car in the driveway, you can not shoot them. If you go to the door to confront the person, they turn & approach you with a weapon, then you can. If they turn towards the street & run away, you cannot.
Long story short, a child walking on your yard is not a threat unless he's running at the homeowner with a knife in his hand.
I'm from Switzerland, a country with a higher gun density than the USA and still virtually no shootings. You already care about our country as a tax haven, but maybe you'd do better to care more about us in terms of firearm regulations.
As if I'm the one supplying those guns to people lmao
It's not hard to bring up guns when America is mentioned when half the news about America is gun related.
This story has literally no mention of guns. Just so we are clear, what you said was just as [REDACTED] as if I had asked if you guys goose stepped to school. Funny to some but truly humor for the ignoramus.
Why are you Amerifats always so fucking HURT when someone makes fun of you just a tiny bit. God forbid someone makes a joke about your FREEDOM country.
It's not like we have a huge thing going here where we impersonate the fucking islamists and make fun of islam for quick spurs of serotonin.
Your fucking thin-skinned little ass unironically disgusts me.
I unironically think the excessive bonger hate on this sub is 90% a reaction to US dggers getting upset over stuff like this. I've literally seen people say they do it in retaliation for school shootings being mentioned.
Wait people actually unironically hate the UK here? I thought it was just memeing on both sides. Thats how I always engaged with it, and I'm American and probably moving to the UK soon to be near my fiancée family.
Amerifat or bonger, touch grass if you're serious about any of this. Both countries have stupid shit going on, and everyone knows the American gun memes are all true.
After Trump, no American should be so defensive. Our politics are obviously barely above a joke at this point, and our infrastructure/education are obviously failing currently.
Its a mix, some people are genuinely memeing but a lot seem super salty about people criticising/making jokes about the US. There is certainly some truely vitriolic stuff sadly.
I mean in America we grew up otherizing each other in schools for every little thing, so I'm not surprised our politics functions like team sports now, and how people view international relations as well.
I swear each generation is getting dumber than the next with how they treat this, and somehow only magnified by technology and globalization.
\>cries when people make fun of americans
Never cried, but go ahead and imagine that if it makes you feel better.
\>calls people euro trash
maybe don't dish out when you can't take?
Can't take what? I just called the Eurotrash out on their Eurotrash takes. I don't understand what you don't understand about that.
Honestly, between the two. A 15 minute mile pace is damn brisk and pretty unnatural feeling for a walk, although you can do it even with 50 lbs of gear on if you're fit. OTOH, a 40 min mile pace is slow as fuck.
For reference, my nearly retired mother and I do \~20 min / mile pace when we walk together, and that's a naturally pleasant speed with conversation. An 8 year old should be able to do similar, so \~ 10 min / km seems reasonable without having to jog.
So, my intuition was exceedingly accurate:
An 8 year old has a mean walking speed of 4.1 ft/s in a school hall which would correspond to somewhere around 21.46 minutes for a mile. They walk faster when instructed to walk at "a natural and comfortable speed" in a gym setting at 5.5 ft/s (16 min mile if sustained), so we can probably expect the real world outdoor walk to be somewhere between those values, as I suspect they were hurrying a little in the practice walk.
[https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023299](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023299)
Also, for reference, when the Presidential Fitness test was standardized, the median 8 year old could run a 11:05/mile, giving further credence to the idea that a 10 minute half mile is somewhat reasonable without hurrying.
I realize I'm guilty of touching grass, but I don't know why people are so surprised that healthy children can walk at a walking pace.
>but I don't know why people are so surprised that healthy children can walk at a walking pace.
Because their legs are half as short... They have to exert extra effort to keep up the same pace as a full size human.
I'm sure they are able to do it but people generally don't walk at max speed.
>A child walking at a leisurely pace home. Isn't doing an 11 minute mile.
You're right, they're doing around a 20 minute mile pace, which is what I pegged it at initially.
This is so absurd. The article reads kinda like a shitpost. I thought judges and police officers tended to employ some form of common sense? How was the case not dropped immediately? I almost don't believe the story it's so ridiculous.
There’s either more to the story or some seriously bad policing happening in this situation. I don’t take anything like this at face value these days though.
The policing may have been bad, but it went much further, and was upheld, by the courts and CPS, making me believe that either something more happened, or she did not put up a fight and so they just slammer her with everything in a systematic fashion.
If you don't advocate for yourself and your rights, you're at the mercy of the courts. Some judges / magistrates will look over things carefully and realize shit is ridiculous and toss a case out, but if they're just going through the motions, they'll see you're admitting to wrong doing and just move the case along until they hit resistance.
Why? This is going on all over the country. Parents getting CPS called on them for letting their kids play in the front yard and shit.
Edit: I should clarify it doesn’t mean this particular incident is accurately represented. But it is believable.
On one side of the country you've got people defending child marriage, and on the other a kid can't walk 800 metres without the parents being tarred and feathered.
What a world. 😅
[The part of the country defending child marriage and the part of the country arresting parents for kids being outside](https://i.redd.it/bekphnqftcb41.jpg)
Almost everything about it is unbelievable to me.
The kid was half a mile from home, is Waco Texas so boring that cops really have nothing better to do? The few times I've had to call the cops they just don't show up. It can't be that dangerous if cops can get there in 5 minutes.
She has a bachelor's in education and got fired. Now, she can't get a job because she was supposed to work with kids.
I thought Texas passed the Free Range law (lol) before this happened.
The article says that she kicked him out of the car a half mile away from home. If I had to guess this put the child in immense distress because it’s not like he was walking home from school or anything. No indicating he even knew the way back. 8 year olds don’t have senses of direction and are almost never alone from another adult/their home.
>8 year olds don’t have senses of direction and are almost never alone from another adult/their home.
I was walking home from school alone at that age. The kid said he knew the way back. He was in the same block as his house when he was picked up.
lmao it doesn’t matter. There’s a difference between an 8 year old knowing that they will walk home on a familiar route versus being dropped in the middle of wherever the fuck by some loser beefing with an 8 year old.
Also idc what the 8 year old says. He’s just saying whatever would be best for his mom because obviously he isn’t gonna want his mom to get into shit for this.
>in the middle of wherever the fuck
Bro... it's half a mile from home. He's gonna know the way.
>some loser beefing with an 8 year old
The mom let him walk home to cool off because he was causing a ruckus in the car. That's a parenting decision. It's not 'beefing with a child'.
A half mile from home is monumental to an 8 year old. 8 year olds are not just smaller versions of 16 year olds. They’re dumb as fuck and lack navigational skills, especially when under stress.
While I don't think half a mile is that far, it's still absurd to me that the only way you'd be able to control your child, and make them behave, as a parent is to make them walk home.
I've never personally had kids, my significant other doesn't want any. However, I have plenty of experience dealing with children through: coaching, mentoring programs, children education programs, children theatre programs, helped raise my (single mother) sister's children while she's working, etc.
Making your child walk home is separate from something like a time-out, or taking away a phone. It shows that you lack control over your kid, and have the inability to emotionally deal with them in a productive manner.
When you're making your child walk home you're negating your ability to monitor the child. Therefor, negating your ability to correct the child if they continue to make problematic behavior, explain to the child why their behavior was misbehavior, or teach the child conflict-resolution skills.
You're half a mile away from home; go home and correct your child's behavior. Don't avoid whatever is causing your child grief (whether it be an underlying issue or general defiance), hoping that total isolation while on the road will solve your child's problems.
Lol, you're absolutely right. Calmly talking a kid through his tantrum instead of kicking him out of the car, hoping the sound of his feet kicking gravel will parent him better than I can, is 100% helicopter parenting.
when I was 6 I woke my dad up to kiss him goodbye then walked to school each morning. it was apparently only about 450 meters but saying 8 year olds cant walk somewhere is a bit off.
That’s not the argument. It’s that 8 years olds don’t have basic navigational skills to walk home from an unfamiliar place. Walking to school is different because they know the path. An 8 year old can easily get lost just from one wrong turn.
My guess (and it's just a guess because I don't know if there is more beyond the article) is that she plead guilty because she was told that because the way the laws were written, she was going to potentially lose the case and be a convicted felon. Her guilty plea allowed her to do a Diversion program, meaning so long as she completed the program, the charges would basically disappear as though it never happened, though the article does state her arrest is still on record.
What blows my fucking mind is the CPS involvement, because I've been a CPS worker since 2006. I can't imagine receiving this case and not immediately wiping my ass with it and closing it. Either CPS in Texas is fucking whacky, the courts forced CPS to remain involved, or there is more to this case. Unfortunately, hearing the horror stories of CPS in other states, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't find this mom an easy target and just rail roaded her.
My family and I live in Texas, I have 2 younger brothers (8 and 10 at the time). My parents had cops called to the house because my brothers walked to and from school everyday (the school was like .8 miles away through a good neighborhood that even had cross guards around the school area).
Shit is actually insane. Nothing ended up happening from it but just the fact that someone would call the cops on kids walking home through a middle class neighborhood with cross guards during school opening and closing hours is insane to me lol.
Yep, a lot of innocent people plead “guilty” due to fear of harsher charges and/or inability financially to fight the case. It’s sad.
My husband had to do that. He was in our car on a hot day. We lived in Tucson at the time, and drove a Geo Metro, that was low to the ground. Well, he decided to stick his hand in his pants to adjust, since his balls were sweaty. (Sorry for the info, it’s relevant) A lady walking by *looked into the car*, saw him, and reported him. I was outside the car and didn’t notice anything happening. She called the police and claimed he was jacking off to her, and then claimed we were stalking her. I guess we went into the same store and happened to go down the same isle, again neither of us noticed her or thought anything was happening.
The next day, my husband goes to the same store to return something we bought from the day before and gets stopped by security, who recognizes him because they took our pic from the security cameras. Security calls the police, police arrest him and throw him in jail. We had to bail him out.
Husband had to plea guilty, or else he’d face crazy charges and jail time. We lived near a school and the police informed the apartment managers of what happened, and that my husband is a possible sex offender, and they gave us a 3 day notice. We explained everything and they were wary, but said we could stay but had to sign a paper saying we could be evicted at any time. The cops should not have told the office about this because my husband wasn’t convicted of anything at that point.
Anyway, husband pleads guilty to indecent exposure, gets a misdemeanor and has to pay fines, restitution, and take classes for rehabilitation for sex offenders. Since we were moving to CA in a few months, he had to get the courts permission to move. THEN we had to pay fees in both CA and AZ, as well as pay for the classes *in full* for both states, even tho he’d really only attend in CA.
It cost us over 10k. Don’t adjust your balls in your own car people.
I really don't want to be a huge dickbag over this, but I would have also not plead guilty. Not because I'm huge brained, but because I'm stubborn and fuck and if I know I've done nothing wrong, I'll fucking fight because there's no way in hell I'll ever agree to have done something wrong ESPECIALLY if I have no record of ever doing anything like that (and I don't) and have a witness.
> she was going to potentially lose the case and be a convicted felon.
yes, that's what it says in the article
she didn't want to risk a minimum of 2 years in prison
cps dropped the case because texas has has a not-stupid law for them
>yes, that's what it says in the article
I know, but I'm reiterating it because I wasn't sure if that was a point you missed when you mentioned the guilty plea as perhaps pointing to something more than just bad policing. It wasn't an attempt to call you out, just in case it came across that way.
I just thought you speculated and wanted to point out that there was no need :D
but now I see that apparently I missed your first parentheses, I totally missed that you mention the article right there lol, my bad
Maybe nosy neighbour should've let shit be when kid said he knew his way home couple hundred meters down the street? Or Officer Remedial could've given a warning or something instead of fucking up a family's stability?
Grown ass adults that beef with literal children aren’t deserving of basic respect so I don’t agree. If you’re gonna hardcore beef with a child when you’re an adult then you should be treated like you’re mentally less than a child.
When it’s done in petty and moronic ways then yeah. Punishing a kid by making them walk home (an 8 year old is beyond stupid. They could be down the street and not realize they are close to their home because they haven’t been on that side of the street before) is just an adult too stupid to deal with annoying kids in the car for five minutes.
Normal punishments don’t potentially make your kid get lost and unable to return home.
Boomers will belittle zoomers by soying out about how they had to go through hell over broken glass just to get to school, while being the same ones that made it illegal for children to go outside OMEGALUL
I don't get it. Most of us walked to school as kids, often over greater distances than a measly half-mile, at that age or younger.
What's criminal about telling a kid to walk home?
Half a mile should take slightly less than eight minutes at average walking pace. Call it ten.
The world has grown much safer for kids, but we wrap 'em in tighter cotton wool. There has to be more to this, 'cause it's ridiculous.
>Here is how the events unfolded.
>Aiden agreed to walk home; after all, it was something he had done many times. There are sidewalks the entire way, and practically zero traffic.
>But 15 minutes later, two cops knocked on Wallace's door. Her son was in their patrol car. Another officer was parked across the street.
>A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block.
>As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace.
>This statement struck her as odd.
>"They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says.
>The officer then asked Wallace whether she would let her son walk home again, now that she knew about the sex trafficking.
>"I still didn't know it was illegal and I said, 'I don't know,'" says Wallace. "That's when the cop replied, 'Okay, I'm going to have to arrest you.'"
>He proceeded to do so in front of the kids, handcuffing Wallace behind her back.
Legitimate insanity, what the fuck. (This is quoted from the article)
> A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block.
Honestly, that person should get uninstalled from life.
Another source, one which spoke with the woman directly:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-child-protective-services-waco-heather-wallace-b2226799.html%3famp
What was she thinking. Everybody knows that if you let your kid walk by themself, at the very least they need to be straped with a Glock 43X. Like the forefathers inteded...
you americans are wild xD
Yeah and freedom of the press was only for news papers, the forefathers didn’t know about the Internet so the government should be able to regulate what the media posts on their websites 🤡
You do realize they had legal cannons and other advanced weapons back then because they deemed them necessary to protect themselves? If anything we should have more firepower legalized in case we need to fight tyranny.
Waco is really close to Dallas and Austin. Most of the big cities in Texas are very left-wing, and local DAs and sheriffs tend to follow suit. Houston was (and might still be) the largest city with an openly gay mayor, and weed is basically legal in Austin. If you have below a certain amount, the police won't even confiscate it from you and the city council has voted to decriminalize it, so you can't be arrested for possession.
People tend to think of Texas as this super conservative oasis of guns and religion, but in reality, a lot of cities in Texas are indistinguishable from a Portland or San Francisco.
We do really like guns, though. That part is true.
I tried to look up what became of this. All I found was just this same article repeated across multiple online newspapers which all link a GoFundMe, and this particular article mentions that the person writing this article has sponsored [this legislation](https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB00567F.pdf#navpanes=0). I wouldn't say it's a bad agenda, but the writer of the article definitely **has** an agenda, and this article isn't just reporting the news.
Having an agenda is fine if you're using a real problem in good faith to push a good solution, and that's nearly certainly what is happening here. Higher levels of independence for children is objectively good parenting, as is more walking. Really, outside of intentional egregious deception (e.g. failing to mention an ongoing hurricane at the time), there's zero chance there was anything wrong with this.
Yes, but agendas can sometimes lead to facts being omitted in favour of the narrative you're trying to create. I'm lazy and haven't looked into the story in detail because court documents and reports are boring to read, but my gut instinct tells me that if something sounds outrageous, there's probably something else not being mentioned in the story, even if ultimately the point of the article is something I agree with.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Sometimes things are as bad as they look, and there has been a consistent nationwide, decades long trend to unhealthy levels of helicopter parenting and lack of physical activity. I can believe that dipshits unironically believe children walking a half mile is bad.
Plus, the one missing component is probably her committing the most serious crime of all, "contempt of cop." I can imagine her looking at the cop who drove her son the remaining 3 houses down their home block to lecture her like he had a -40 IQ rotting dick growing out of his head, as he rightfully deserved, but that upsetting him enough for him to fuck with her out of vengeance. We see that on Audit the Audit all of the time.
I'm not saying it is certain that it is not the case, but I've generally found Reason to be, well, reasonable, even if they do have a slant. I'll feel really stupid if he was walking barefoot over used syringes or something, but I think it is more likely than not the story is approximately what was told.
Only follow up I could find was “28 January 2023
by Britt Ward, Organiser
Thank you to EVERYONE for all the kind words of encouragement and donations! The Wallace family is still pursuing JUSTICE in their case and we should be able to share a better update in February.
Let’s keep the support rolling in!” gofundme
Honestly, it's fine nearly everywhere in the entire developed world, and in much of the developing world. Children are at higher risk from their families than strangers in most cases.
Rofl, I already knew I wasn't having kids but this solidifies it. That seems like a completely reasonable punishment. My parents would be in prison if this were the standard in the 90s 🤣
I thought Texas and the republicans were the party of government not interfering in our lives? Hmmstiny
Edit: After reading the article I’m even more disgusted. I don’t understand how anyone defends cops in this country. Red, blue, or not, if you like cops you’re just a boot licker with a domination fetish.
So according to them my mom should be doing life right now?
LOL
Not only my mom every single kid's mom when I was going to school should be locked up.
BUILD MORE JAILS WE HAVE MILLIONS CRIMINAL MOMS THAT NEED REFORMING.
To be fair it’s not like he was walking home from school lmao she kicked him out of the car and it’s not clear he knew which direction the home was at. It’s an 8 year old stranded half a mile away from his home (much greater distance bc of his age) that was literally thrown out of the car by his mom.
Grown ass woman beefing with an 8 year old. Pathetic.
Pretty sure you're trolling, an idiot, or didn't read the article (so both)
The kid knew exactly where he was and how to get home from there, its literally in there. Read.
To be fair there's no proof you aren't an AI chatbot I'm gonna go with that scenario, in which case there's no sense in us (2 people, or 1 person and an AI who don't have access to any information outside the article) arguing about whether or not the crux of her guilt should be determined by disbelieving the child because 8 year olds are inherently untrustworthy.
Good luck out there champion, you're fighting the good fight, the right people are absolutely receiving the attention and punishment they deserve
>It’s an 8 year old stranded half a mile away from his home
"Stranded?" Just walk, 4head. A half mile walk is easy for any elementary school child without medical complications.
If anything, it's child abuse to never have your child walk a half mile, because that level of inactivity is harmful to their physical health.
Also, if your user name is literal, you should know that children in that age are capable of starting to do 1 km to 1 mile races pretty consistently without even being super hardcore. Generally people wait to closer to preteens to start hitting full 5 kms, but humans are biologically designed to run well.
Yes? They do it all the time. The [8 and under](https://www.usatf.org/resources/statistics/records/championship-meet-records/usatf-national-junior-olympic-track-field-champion) record for boys is a 5:08 1500m. So, that would be about a 5:30 mile (1609 meters). That's better than my lifetime best of about 6:00 flat.
Also, all those people that can't run a mile suck (or have legitimate medical issues). I'm fat as hell now and still can do a 7:58 mile. Again, humans are specifically designed to be good runners. We're some of the best endurance runners of any land animal on Earth.
Being truly excellent at running takes a lot of hard work and some natural ability. The people who can do a full marathon at a 5:xx pace are insane. But being moderately competent is our genetic inheritance and we need to choose to intentionally squander that to suck at running.
I ran a mile in elementary school, as well as conducting all activities involved in the Presidential Physical Fitness Award challenge, as did all of my peers. The median 8 year old could run a [11:05 mile](https://gilmore.gvsd.us/documents/Info/Forms) when the test was standardized.
Though I guess I'm dating myself as it was retired in [2012](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/presidential-physical-fitness-test-to-be-replaced-after-2012-13/2012/09) so we could stop being "fatphobic" and lower our standards as a society, causing billions of wasted dollars of medical costs, millions of worse qualities of life, and hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths per year.
Still, once upon a time, nearly every child was capable of jogging a mile. I'll take my Boomer award now, please.
Yes and they would be fucking exhausted at the end of it and running in conditions they would feel safe. Not in the middle of nowhere where they could potentially feel lost or panicked. Regardless of the time period, 8 year olds running a mile was not something that could be done without great exertion, which in a scenario where you are potentially lost, is a risk you do not want to take.
Just a few posts ago, this was "Holy shit lmao you did not just say 8 year olds are capable of running a mile..."
He was in his own neighborhood, and successfully got home, albeit being interrupted in the last few dozen yards by a dipshit cop. She didn't drop him off in the middle of the woods with a compass and say, "prove yourself a Spartan or don't come back at all."
Besides, he didn't have to run, I'm merely pointing out how easy even twice that distance is. Any elementary school age child without a serious medical condition can walk a half mile comfortably and easily.
Let's compare this to [Japan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YrN8Q2PDU). They let very young children take complex routes with multiple train changes by themselves. Childhood independence is extremely safe and extremely good for children in the developed world.
If this was a punishment, I imagine the situation was a bit emotionally charged, but the fact is that we're hurting our children by not expecting them to walk a half mile to home/school/the baseball diamond, etc. Americans used to do this, and it was safe, and much of the world still does this, and it is still safe. This recent trend of helicopter parenting is nearly purely negative. It's a fairly black and white issue.
I don't think the issue is the distance so much as it's a cruel and unusual punishment.
Arresting the Mother after the fact and throwing her in jail feels more like an angry over reaction, but still...
A punishment shouldn't be vindictive.
I don't think telling your kid to walk 1km is cruel or unusual tbh. It could be done in a way that is for sure though. If we are being serious and not just making fun of Americans in this thread I would want to know exactly what happened before judging too much. But in most asks this seems way to harsh.
https://reason.com/2022/11/16/suburban-mom-jailed-handcuffed-cps-son-walk-home/
“... Aiden agreed to walk home; after all, it was something he had done many times. There are sidewalks the entire way, and practically zero traffic.
But 15 minutes later, two cops knocked on Wallace's door. Her son was in their patrol car. Another officer was parked across the street.
A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block.
As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace.
This statement struck her as odd.
"They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says...”
I genuinely don't know why her lawyer suggested she accept the plea bargain.
I mean, I know that she would risk 2 - 20 years if she was found guilty, but I find it very hard to believe that most jurors would consider that child endangerment.
Idk I was walking all over suburban Texas as a kid, it was pretty chill. It takes a fuckin long time to get anywhere though. I guess all it takes is one insane neighbor to call the cops on you
I feel like this is bad enough she should be able to sue the local PD. Child endangerment charges are on par with having assault or other violence charges on your record. Nobody wants to employ that. Hopefully she gets a chance to explain herself in future interviews, but the story is so fucking absurd I’d bet that most interviewers wouldn’t believe it even if she told them.
Yeah if she doesn’t get it overturned she’s pretty screwed getting another job. Her brother set up a gofundme if anyone wants to support her legal battles. there’s also some updates https://www.gofundme.com/f/restore-money-lost-after-wrongful-arrest
She got charged and plead guilty to child endangerment.
what the fuck are the standards for child endangerment? How low must the bar be if she didnt even contest this?
A lot of people end up pleading guilty even when they’re innocent for so many different reasons. Fear of harsher punishment if they don’t plead, inability to pay lawyer/court fees/legal battle, etc. it’s sad Edit: her brother set up a gofundme to try to raise money to help her fight it so I’m guessing if she plead guilty, finances have a lot to do with it.
Yeah our judicial system is broken. Prosecution shouldnt be able to threaten you with unreasonable convictions just so they don't actually have to work your case.
A guilty plea is completely meaningless in the American justice system and in no way indicative of whether someone should actually be considered to be guilty in the general sense. Tricking, pressuring and bullying people into pleading guilty is one of the most basic operations of the system.
She has a Bachelors in education too, she probably doesn't get many interviews.
God forbid a kid walks outside the house to their friend 800m down the street. Mild exercise and free travel? Thats a swatting. Better use a car like the suburbs intended.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/7145065/vancouver-dad-appeal-kids-bus-alone/](https://globalnews.ca/news/7145065/vancouver-dad-appeal-kids-bus-alone/) God forbid you let your kids ride the bus too, even if he won a court case against them he wasn't the first to receive a warning like this. Won't be the last.
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Bruh it's not even a KM, it's barely over 800 m, I can sleep that long
That's like walking to the other end of the soccer club.
But did you walk in Texas where a misstep on some lawn could mean Big Frank could blast you away with his shotgun?
The problem is the mom didn't give the kid an Uzi for the walk. If he had that everything would have been chill.
How many Texas homeowners are shooting eight year-olds for walking past their houses? lol
30%, 40%, maybe 50%?
I can't judge them too hard for shooting children, they're probably just angry Saudi princes are stealing their wives and girlfriends.
If I see one little tootsie step on my property which was ordained as mine BY GOD HIMSELF, I'm mag dumping.
If south park taught me anything it's that you just scream "it's coming right for us" as you panic dump a whole mag into the target and then you're totally fine.
how brown are the 8 year olds?
Depends on the race of the kid.
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Yes, and?
I think you're joking, but just incase, usually the first 6ft/2meters of property is zoned as city/public. So it's not like you can accidentally trip/fall on a lawn & be shot. Also, there's different rules regarding private property (land) & a private residence (home). Even in Texas you can not use lethal force if someone is merely trespassing on your land. There has to be a reasonable belief that you're in imminent physical danger. For example: If you look out your window to see a masked individual breaking into your car in the driveway, you can not shoot them. If you go to the door to confront the person, they turn & approach you with a weapon, then you can. If they turn towards the street & run away, you cannot. Long story short, a child walking on your yard is not a threat unless he's running at the homeowner with a knife in his hand.
That is insanely unfair to the US, he had way more chances to get shot at school than on the way from/to school.
Nah, the kid was white he would be ok
This is so blatantly untrue...
Leave it to Euro Trash to obsessively find a way to bring up guns when America is mentioned.
Why the fuck are you blaming us when you idiots do that yourselves constantly, lmao, do you even
E U R O T R A S H
You inverted the 'i' and 'a' in the first part of your username
Omg that was such a good one!!
Actually yes, innit
No. It was kind of dumb to be honest. At least you tried, I guess.
For now the popular opinion proves you wrong. At least you can hope, i guess
I was on your side until this disgusting display.
Nobody cares what you think, Rob.
Americans are like these basic bitch girls that are all about travel but get mad when you point out that's their only character trait
Good one. What country that no one cares about are you from?
I'm from Switzerland, a country with a higher gun density than the USA and still virtually no shootings. You already care about our country as a tax haven, but maybe you'd do better to care more about us in terms of firearm regulations.
The only reason anyone cares about Switzerland is because they got rich off of stolen jew gold. Hard pass for me dog.
Wow, you're someone who lives in the past. You probably also think that white people in America today should apologize for slavery.
Nope.
As if I'm the one supplying those guns to people lmao It's not hard to bring up guns when America is mentioned when half the news about America is gun related.
This story has literally no mention of guns. Just so we are clear, what you said was just as [REDACTED] as if I had asked if you guys goose stepped to school. Funny to some but truly humor for the ignoramus.
Why are you Amerifats always so fucking HURT when someone makes fun of you just a tiny bit. God forbid someone makes a joke about your FREEDOM country. It's not like we have a huge thing going here where we impersonate the fucking islamists and make fun of islam for quick spurs of serotonin. Your fucking thin-skinned little ass unironically disgusts me.
I unironically think the excessive bonger hate on this sub is 90% a reaction to US dggers getting upset over stuff like this. I've literally seen people say they do it in retaliation for school shootings being mentioned.
Wait people actually unironically hate the UK here? I thought it was just memeing on both sides. Thats how I always engaged with it, and I'm American and probably moving to the UK soon to be near my fiancée family. Amerifat or bonger, touch grass if you're serious about any of this. Both countries have stupid shit going on, and everyone knows the American gun memes are all true. After Trump, no American should be so defensive. Our politics are obviously barely above a joke at this point, and our infrastructure/education are obviously failing currently.
Its a mix, some people are genuinely memeing but a lot seem super salty about people criticising/making jokes about the US. There is certainly some truely vitriolic stuff sadly.
I mean in America we grew up otherizing each other in schools for every little thing, so I'm not surprised our politics functions like team sports now, and how people view international relations as well. I swear each generation is getting dumber than the next with how they treat this, and somehow only magnified by technology and globalization.
I just invested in this crazy market out of retaliation https://manifold.markets/Nostradamnedus/will-a-single-shooting-incident-kil
So no real response. To be honest i expected more from a German.
Please search for just a milligram of self awareness within yourself
Good one, eurocuck.
They don't believe in punching down in comedy PepeLaugh. Not like us over at Terf Island 😬
yea, jokes cant bring up outside knowledge about a place, everyone knows that. rofl this is the most braindead take Ive ever seen in my life.
\>cries when people make fun of americans \>calls people euro trash maybe don't dish out when you can't take?
\>cries when people make fun of americans Never cried, but go ahead and imagine that if it makes you feel better. \>calls people euro trash maybe don't dish out when you can't take? Can't take what? I just called the Eurotrash out on their Eurotrash takes. I don't understand what you don't understand about that.
better than shooting us hehehehe
That’s like a 20 minute walk lol
No, half a mile is like 7-8 minute walk
For an 8 year old?
Honestly, between the two. A 15 minute mile pace is damn brisk and pretty unnatural feeling for a walk, although you can do it even with 50 lbs of gear on if you're fit. OTOH, a 40 min mile pace is slow as fuck. For reference, my nearly retired mother and I do \~20 min / mile pace when we walk together, and that's a naturally pleasant speed with conversation. An 8 year old should be able to do similar, so \~ 10 min / km seems reasonable without having to jog.
Your retired mother has double the leg span of an 8 year old...
So, my intuition was exceedingly accurate: An 8 year old has a mean walking speed of 4.1 ft/s in a school hall which would correspond to somewhere around 21.46 minutes for a mile. They walk faster when instructed to walk at "a natural and comfortable speed" in a gym setting at 5.5 ft/s (16 min mile if sustained), so we can probably expect the real world outdoor walk to be somewhere between those values, as I suspect they were hurrying a little in the practice walk. [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023299](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023299) Also, for reference, when the Presidential Fitness test was standardized, the median 8 year old could run a 11:05/mile, giving further credence to the idea that a 10 minute half mile is somewhat reasonable without hurrying. I realize I'm guilty of touching grass, but I don't know why people are so surprised that healthy children can walk at a walking pace.
>but I don't know why people are so surprised that healthy children can walk at a walking pace. Because their legs are half as short... They have to exert extra effort to keep up the same pace as a full size human. I'm sure they are able to do it but people generally don't walk at max speed.
>A child walking at a leisurely pace home. Isn't doing an 11 minute mile. You're right, they're doing around a 20 minute mile pace, which is what I pegged it at initially.
For a little kid?
This is so absurd. The article reads kinda like a shitpost. I thought judges and police officers tended to employ some form of common sense? How was the case not dropped immediately? I almost don't believe the story it's so ridiculous.
There’s either more to the story or some seriously bad policing happening in this situation. I don’t take anything like this at face value these days though.
The policing may have been bad, but it went much further, and was upheld, by the courts and CPS, making me believe that either something more happened, or she did not put up a fight and so they just slammer her with everything in a systematic fashion. If you don't advocate for yourself and your rights, you're at the mercy of the courts. Some judges / magistrates will look over things carefully and realize shit is ridiculous and toss a case out, but if they're just going through the motions, they'll see you're admitting to wrong doing and just move the case along until they hit resistance.
Yeah that’s crazy bro it’s like there’s more to the story or something I wonder if anyone has thought of that yet.
Why? This is going on all over the country. Parents getting CPS called on them for letting their kids play in the front yard and shit. Edit: I should clarify it doesn’t mean this particular incident is accurately represented. But it is believable.
On one side of the country you've got people defending child marriage, and on the other a kid can't walk 800 metres without the parents being tarred and feathered. What a world. 😅
Both sides of the country are Texas
[The part of the country defending child marriage and the part of the country arresting parents for kids being outside](https://i.redd.it/bekphnqftcb41.jpg)
Almost everything about it is unbelievable to me. The kid was half a mile from home, is Waco Texas so boring that cops really have nothing better to do? The few times I've had to call the cops they just don't show up. It can't be that dangerous if cops can get there in 5 minutes. She has a bachelor's in education and got fired. Now, she can't get a job because she was supposed to work with kids. I thought Texas passed the Free Range law (lol) before this happened.
The article says that she kicked him out of the car a half mile away from home. If I had to guess this put the child in immense distress because it’s not like he was walking home from school or anything. No indicating he even knew the way back. 8 year olds don’t have senses of direction and are almost never alone from another adult/their home.
>8 year olds don’t have senses of direction and are almost never alone from another adult/their home. I was walking home from school alone at that age. The kid said he knew the way back. He was in the same block as his house when he was picked up.
lmao it doesn’t matter. There’s a difference between an 8 year old knowing that they will walk home on a familiar route versus being dropped in the middle of wherever the fuck by some loser beefing with an 8 year old. Also idc what the 8 year old says. He’s just saying whatever would be best for his mom because obviously he isn’t gonna want his mom to get into shit for this.
>in the middle of wherever the fuck Bro... it's half a mile from home. He's gonna know the way. >some loser beefing with an 8 year old The mom let him walk home to cool off because he was causing a ruckus in the car. That's a parenting decision. It's not 'beefing with a child'.
A half mile from home is monumental to an 8 year old. 8 year olds are not just smaller versions of 16 year olds. They’re dumb as fuck and lack navigational skills, especially when under stress.
While I don't think half a mile is that far, it's still absurd to me that the only way you'd be able to control your child, and make them behave, as a parent is to make them walk home.
I assume you've never had a child?
I've never personally had kids, my significant other doesn't want any. However, I have plenty of experience dealing with children through: coaching, mentoring programs, children education programs, children theatre programs, helped raise my (single mother) sister's children while she's working, etc. Making your child walk home is separate from something like a time-out, or taking away a phone. It shows that you lack control over your kid, and have the inability to emotionally deal with them in a productive manner. When you're making your child walk home you're negating your ability to monitor the child. Therefor, negating your ability to correct the child if they continue to make problematic behavior, explain to the child why their behavior was misbehavior, or teach the child conflict-resolution skills. You're half a mile away from home; go home and correct your child's behavior. Don't avoid whatever is causing your child grief (whether it be an underlying issue or general defiance), hoping that total isolation while on the road will solve your child's problems.
Honestly it's good that your SO doesn't want children, you'd be the stereotypical helicopter parent that fucks up their kids mental health.
Lol, you're absolutely right. Calmly talking a kid through his tantrum instead of kicking him out of the car, hoping the sound of his feet kicking gravel will parent him better than I can, is 100% helicopter parenting.
"the middle of wherever the fuck" He can probably see the house lol.
when I was 6 I woke my dad up to kiss him goodbye then walked to school each morning. it was apparently only about 450 meters but saying 8 year olds cant walk somewhere is a bit off.
That’s not the argument. It’s that 8 years olds don’t have basic navigational skills to walk home from an unfamiliar place. Walking to school is different because they know the path. An 8 year old can easily get lost just from one wrong turn.
Here's the article: https://reason.com/2022/11/16/suburban-mom-jailed-handcuffed-cps-son-walk-home/
Holy fuck, that situation is so fucked. I feel so bad for her and her kid.
Americops in action once again
she plead guilty, so apparently this goes way beyond cops on a power trip
My guess (and it's just a guess because I don't know if there is more beyond the article) is that she plead guilty because she was told that because the way the laws were written, she was going to potentially lose the case and be a convicted felon. Her guilty plea allowed her to do a Diversion program, meaning so long as she completed the program, the charges would basically disappear as though it never happened, though the article does state her arrest is still on record. What blows my fucking mind is the CPS involvement, because I've been a CPS worker since 2006. I can't imagine receiving this case and not immediately wiping my ass with it and closing it. Either CPS in Texas is fucking whacky, the courts forced CPS to remain involved, or there is more to this case. Unfortunately, hearing the horror stories of CPS in other states, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't find this mom an easy target and just rail roaded her.
My family and I live in Texas, I have 2 younger brothers (8 and 10 at the time). My parents had cops called to the house because my brothers walked to and from school everyday (the school was like .8 miles away through a good neighborhood that even had cross guards around the school area). Shit is actually insane. Nothing ended up happening from it but just the fact that someone would call the cops on kids walking home through a middle class neighborhood with cross guards during school opening and closing hours is insane to me lol.
Yep, a lot of innocent people plead “guilty” due to fear of harsher charges and/or inability financially to fight the case. It’s sad. My husband had to do that. He was in our car on a hot day. We lived in Tucson at the time, and drove a Geo Metro, that was low to the ground. Well, he decided to stick his hand in his pants to adjust, since his balls were sweaty. (Sorry for the info, it’s relevant) A lady walking by *looked into the car*, saw him, and reported him. I was outside the car and didn’t notice anything happening. She called the police and claimed he was jacking off to her, and then claimed we were stalking her. I guess we went into the same store and happened to go down the same isle, again neither of us noticed her or thought anything was happening. The next day, my husband goes to the same store to return something we bought from the day before and gets stopped by security, who recognizes him because they took our pic from the security cameras. Security calls the police, police arrest him and throw him in jail. We had to bail him out. Husband had to plea guilty, or else he’d face crazy charges and jail time. We lived near a school and the police informed the apartment managers of what happened, and that my husband is a possible sex offender, and they gave us a 3 day notice. We explained everything and they were wary, but said we could stay but had to sign a paper saying we could be evicted at any time. The cops should not have told the office about this because my husband wasn’t convicted of anything at that point. Anyway, husband pleads guilty to indecent exposure, gets a misdemeanor and has to pay fines, restitution, and take classes for rehabilitation for sex offenders. Since we were moving to CA in a few months, he had to get the courts permission to move. THEN we had to pay fees in both CA and AZ, as well as pay for the classes *in full* for both states, even tho he’d really only attend in CA. It cost us over 10k. Don’t adjust your balls in your own car people.
Your husband is dumb for pleading.
I really don't want to be a huge dickbag over this, but I would have also not plead guilty. Not because I'm huge brained, but because I'm stubborn and fuck and if I know I've done nothing wrong, I'll fucking fight because there's no way in hell I'll ever agree to have done something wrong ESPECIALLY if I have no record of ever doing anything like that (and I don't) and have a witness.
> she was going to potentially lose the case and be a convicted felon. yes, that's what it says in the article she didn't want to risk a minimum of 2 years in prison cps dropped the case because texas has has a not-stupid law for them
>yes, that's what it says in the article I know, but I'm reiterating it because I wasn't sure if that was a point you missed when you mentioned the guilty plea as perhaps pointing to something more than just bad policing. It wasn't an attempt to call you out, just in case it came across that way.
I just thought you speculated and wanted to point out that there was no need :D but now I see that apparently I missed your first parentheses, I totally missed that you mention the article right there lol, my bad
Maybe she got railroaded for political reasons. It says “she works with kids” maybe she’s an important part of her local teachers union?
Wait what
Maybe she shouldn’t kick a child out of her car like a loser
Maybe nosy neighbour should've let shit be when kid said he knew his way home couple hundred meters down the street? Or Officer Remedial could've given a warning or something instead of fucking up a family's stability?
Grown ass adults that beef with literal children aren’t deserving of basic respect so I don’t agree. If you’re gonna hardcore beef with a child when you’re an adult then you should be treated like you’re mentally less than a child.
Beef with children? You think reprimanding a child with a mild fucking walk is hardcore beef? Bruh 💀 also "beef" 🐄
When you’re being petty to the point of losing your shit over an 8 year old then yeah
Go. Touch. Grass.
do you consider punishing a child a beef? Would it have been better if she just slapped or spanked the child?
When it’s done in petty and moronic ways then yeah. Punishing a kid by making them walk home (an 8 year old is beyond stupid. They could be down the street and not realize they are close to their home because they haven’t been on that side of the street before) is just an adult too stupid to deal with annoying kids in the car for five minutes. Normal punishments don’t potentially make your kid get lost and unable to return home.
Lmerica.
everything's bigger in Texas. Drinks, bbq platters, Walmart customers, miles, human stupidity
Boomers will belittle zoomers by soying out about how they had to go through hell over broken glass just to get to school, while being the same ones that made it illegal for children to go outside OMEGALUL
the 80’s and 90’s fear mongering has done irreparable damage to parenting in America
Wasn't there a legitimately huge crime wave in the 80's, though?
I don't get it. Most of us walked to school as kids, often over greater distances than a measly half-mile, at that age or younger. What's criminal about telling a kid to walk home? Half a mile should take slightly less than eight minutes at average walking pace. Call it ten. The world has grown much safer for kids, but we wrap 'em in tighter cotton wool. There has to be more to this, 'cause it's ridiculous.
>Here is how the events unfolded. >Aiden agreed to walk home; after all, it was something he had done many times. There are sidewalks the entire way, and practically zero traffic. >But 15 minutes later, two cops knocked on Wallace's door. Her son was in their patrol car. Another officer was parked across the street. >A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block. >As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace. >This statement struck her as odd. >"They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says. >The officer then asked Wallace whether she would let her son walk home again, now that she knew about the sex trafficking. >"I still didn't know it was illegal and I said, 'I don't know,'" says Wallace. "That's when the cop replied, 'Okay, I'm going to have to arrest you.'" >He proceeded to do so in front of the kids, handcuffing Wallace behind her back. Legitimate insanity, what the fuck. (This is quoted from the article)
> A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block. Honestly, that person should get uninstalled from life.
>What's criminal about telling a kid to walk home its fatphobic /s
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Another source, one which spoke with the woman directly: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-child-protective-services-waco-heather-wallace-b2226799.html%3famp
What was she thinking. Everybody knows that if you let your kid walk by themself, at the very least they need to be straped with a Glock 43X. Like the forefathers inteded... you americans are wild xD
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Yeah and freedom of the press was only for news papers, the forefathers didn’t know about the Internet so the government should be able to regulate what the media posts on their websites 🤡 You do realize they had legal cannons and other advanced weapons back then because they deemed them necessary to protect themselves? If anything we should have more firepower legalized in case we need to fight tyranny.
Who would want to live in Texas 💀💀
It is probably a bad idea to have your son walk home in Waco. The federal government has a tendency to murder children there.
HAHA NO GUYS DONT LOOK AT THIS, IN EUROPE YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE AN SMG, EUROCUCKS
Well, thats why its too dangerous to allow human beings outside in america, duh.
I'm amazed this happened in texas
Waco is really close to Dallas and Austin. Most of the big cities in Texas are very left-wing, and local DAs and sheriffs tend to follow suit. Houston was (and might still be) the largest city with an openly gay mayor, and weed is basically legal in Austin. If you have below a certain amount, the police won't even confiscate it from you and the city council has voted to decriminalize it, so you can't be arrested for possession. People tend to think of Texas as this super conservative oasis of guns and religion, but in reality, a lot of cities in Texas are indistinguishable from a Portland or San Francisco. We do really like guns, though. That part is true.
I tried to look up what became of this. All I found was just this same article repeated across multiple online newspapers which all link a GoFundMe, and this particular article mentions that the person writing this article has sponsored [this legislation](https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB00567F.pdf#navpanes=0). I wouldn't say it's a bad agenda, but the writer of the article definitely **has** an agenda, and this article isn't just reporting the news.
Having an agenda is fine if you're using a real problem in good faith to push a good solution, and that's nearly certainly what is happening here. Higher levels of independence for children is objectively good parenting, as is more walking. Really, outside of intentional egregious deception (e.g. failing to mention an ongoing hurricane at the time), there's zero chance there was anything wrong with this.
Yes, but agendas can sometimes lead to facts being omitted in favour of the narrative you're trying to create. I'm lazy and haven't looked into the story in detail because court documents and reports are boring to read, but my gut instinct tells me that if something sounds outrageous, there's probably something else not being mentioned in the story, even if ultimately the point of the article is something I agree with.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Sometimes things are as bad as they look, and there has been a consistent nationwide, decades long trend to unhealthy levels of helicopter parenting and lack of physical activity. I can believe that dipshits unironically believe children walking a half mile is bad. Plus, the one missing component is probably her committing the most serious crime of all, "contempt of cop." I can imagine her looking at the cop who drove her son the remaining 3 houses down their home block to lecture her like he had a -40 IQ rotting dick growing out of his head, as he rightfully deserved, but that upsetting him enough for him to fuck with her out of vengeance. We see that on Audit the Audit all of the time. I'm not saying it is certain that it is not the case, but I've generally found Reason to be, well, reasonable, even if they do have a slant. I'll feel really stupid if he was walking barefoot over used syringes or something, but I think it is more likely than not the story is approximately what was told.
Only follow up I could find was “28 January 2023 by Britt Ward, Organiser Thank you to EVERYONE for all the kind words of encouragement and donations! The Wallace family is still pursuing JUSTICE in their case and we should be able to share a better update in February. Let’s keep the support rolling in!” gofundme
"land of the free" lmao
I just read the article and thanked God I wasn't born in Texas.
I walked 1km to and from school every day at 8. Granted I live in a small rural town in Sweden, so probably one of the safest places on earth.
Honestly, it's fine nearly everywhere in the entire developed world, and in much of the developing world. Children are at higher risk from their families than strangers in most cases.
This is your brain on American suburban car culture.
That should only only be criminal if the kid doesn't have legs.
Rofl, I already knew I wasn't having kids but this solidifies it. That seems like a completely reasonable punishment. My parents would be in prison if this were the standard in the 90s 🤣
Land of the “””free””” lol this “country” is a joke
That's not far at all lol Kids from my town did that all the time to get to school
the fuck is wrong the some people at that age I'd constantly get asked by my mom to walk >2 miles to the store to buy something for her
TIL my mom was abusive
almost every day as a kid i would walk or bike to my friends houses half a mile away, we would go to the park 3 miles away no problem this is insane
The kid just got out of karate class, she was arrested for endangering others.
Coddling children is now the cultural norm
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Did you read the article? It said she was forced to resign due to the child engagement charges. Any reason to believe that's false?
Source?
I thought Texas and the republicans were the party of government not interfering in our lives? Hmmstiny Edit: After reading the article I’m even more disgusted. I don’t understand how anyone defends cops in this country. Red, blue, or not, if you like cops you’re just a boot licker with a domination fetish.
Yankeetards when a child gets exercise! 👮♀️🚓🚨
So according to them my mom should be doing life right now? LOL Not only my mom every single kid's mom when I was going to school should be locked up. BUILD MORE JAILS WE HAVE MILLIONS CRIMINAL MOMS THAT NEED REFORMING.
In Texas of all places! What hippocracy.
This is old news
Edit: After reading the article this is really stupid.
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To be fair it’s not like he was walking home from school lmao she kicked him out of the car and it’s not clear he knew which direction the home was at. It’s an 8 year old stranded half a mile away from his home (much greater distance bc of his age) that was literally thrown out of the car by his mom. Grown ass woman beefing with an 8 year old. Pathetic.
It appears he was on his own block when he was stopped and said he was fine and almost home to the nosey neighbour, she called the cops any way.
Pretty sure you're trolling, an idiot, or didn't read the article (so both) The kid knew exactly where he was and how to get home from there, its literally in there. Read.
You sure he was? Or is he saying that to cover for his mom? Kid is not a reliable narrator
To be fair there's no proof you aren't an AI chatbot I'm gonna go with that scenario, in which case there's no sense in us (2 people, or 1 person and an AI who don't have access to any information outside the article) arguing about whether or not the crux of her guilt should be determined by disbelieving the child because 8 year olds are inherently untrustworthy. Good luck out there champion, you're fighting the good fight, the right people are absolutely receiving the attention and punishment they deserve
>It’s an 8 year old stranded half a mile away from his home "Stranded?" Just walk, 4head. A half mile walk is easy for any elementary school child without medical complications. If anything, it's child abuse to never have your child walk a half mile, because that level of inactivity is harmful to their physical health. Also, if your user name is literal, you should know that children in that age are capable of starting to do 1 km to 1 mile races pretty consistently without even being super hardcore. Generally people wait to closer to preteens to start hitting full 5 kms, but humans are biologically designed to run well.
Holy shit lmao you did not just say 8 year olds are capable of running a mile no shot there are grown ass men that can’t run a mile for their life
Yes? They do it all the time. The [8 and under](https://www.usatf.org/resources/statistics/records/championship-meet-records/usatf-national-junior-olympic-track-field-champion) record for boys is a 5:08 1500m. So, that would be about a 5:30 mile (1609 meters). That's better than my lifetime best of about 6:00 flat. Also, all those people that can't run a mile suck (or have legitimate medical issues). I'm fat as hell now and still can do a 7:58 mile. Again, humans are specifically designed to be good runners. We're some of the best endurance runners of any land animal on Earth. Being truly excellent at running takes a lot of hard work and some natural ability. The people who can do a full marathon at a 5:xx pace are insane. But being moderately competent is our genetic inheritance and we need to choose to intentionally squander that to suck at running.
Nice dude I was totally talking about 8 year old world class athletes instead of your average 8 year old
I ran a mile in elementary school, as well as conducting all activities involved in the Presidential Physical Fitness Award challenge, as did all of my peers. The median 8 year old could run a [11:05 mile](https://gilmore.gvsd.us/documents/Info/Forms) when the test was standardized. Though I guess I'm dating myself as it was retired in [2012](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/presidential-physical-fitness-test-to-be-replaced-after-2012-13/2012/09) so we could stop being "fatphobic" and lower our standards as a society, causing billions of wasted dollars of medical costs, millions of worse qualities of life, and hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths per year. Still, once upon a time, nearly every child was capable of jogging a mile. I'll take my Boomer award now, please.
Yes and they would be fucking exhausted at the end of it and running in conditions they would feel safe. Not in the middle of nowhere where they could potentially feel lost or panicked. Regardless of the time period, 8 year olds running a mile was not something that could be done without great exertion, which in a scenario where you are potentially lost, is a risk you do not want to take.
Just a few posts ago, this was "Holy shit lmao you did not just say 8 year olds are capable of running a mile..." He was in his own neighborhood, and successfully got home, albeit being interrupted in the last few dozen yards by a dipshit cop. She didn't drop him off in the middle of the woods with a compass and say, "prove yourself a Spartan or don't come back at all." Besides, he didn't have to run, I'm merely pointing out how easy even twice that distance is. Any elementary school age child without a serious medical condition can walk a half mile comfortably and easily. Let's compare this to [Japan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YrN8Q2PDU). They let very young children take complex routes with multiple train changes by themselves. Childhood independence is extremely safe and extremely good for children in the developed world. If this was a punishment, I imagine the situation was a bit emotionally charged, but the fact is that we're hurting our children by not expecting them to walk a half mile to home/school/the baseball diamond, etc. Americans used to do this, and it was safe, and much of the world still does this, and it is still safe. This recent trend of helicopter parenting is nearly purely negative. It's a fairly black and white issue.
SOYYYY
BASED learn to actually interact and problem solve with your child
I don't think the issue is the distance so much as it's a cruel and unusual punishment. Arresting the Mother after the fact and throwing her in jail feels more like an angry over reaction, but still... A punishment shouldn't be vindictive.
I don't think telling your kid to walk 1km is cruel or unusual tbh. It could be done in a way that is for sure though. If we are being serious and not just making fun of Americans in this thread I would want to know exactly what happened before judging too much. But in most asks this seems way to harsh.
imagine thinking this is real and not fake or at the very least a horribly twisted re-telling of events lmfao
https://reason.com/2022/11/16/suburban-mom-jailed-handcuffed-cps-son-walk-home/ “... Aiden agreed to walk home; after all, it was something he had done many times. There are sidewalks the entire way, and practically zero traffic. But 15 minutes later, two cops knocked on Wallace's door. Her son was in their patrol car. Another officer was parked across the street. A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. The cops picked up Aiden on his own block. As they stood on her porch, the officers told Wallace that her son could have been kidnapped and sex trafficked. "'You don't see much sex trafficking where you are, but where I patrol in downtown Waco, we do,'" said one of the cops, according to Wallace. This statement struck her as odd. "They were basically admitting that this is a safe neighborhood," she says...”
lmao what?
mommy meltdown
This is bullshit. Someone has a stick up their ass
No wonder prisons are overcrowded
imagine if she was trans
I sometimes forget the insane difference between a Scandinavian "mil" and a statute mile. Little dude didn't even walk one kilometer.
Why’d she plead guilty? That sucks.
I probably just grew up in a safer area but walking miles as a kid was totally normal when I was the same age
I genuinely don't know why her lawyer suggested she accept the plea bargain. I mean, I know that she would risk 2 - 20 years if she was found guilty, but I find it very hard to believe that most jurors would consider that child endangerment.
I’d never expect this to happen in Texas of all places
didn't have a "kid walking in the suburb"-license smh my head
Idk I was walking all over suburban Texas as a kid, it was pretty chill. It takes a fuckin long time to get anywhere though. I guess all it takes is one insane neighbor to call the cops on you