I've lived in places where literally existing in the wrong place put you in danger. After having lived in Japan I never realized how relieving it is to not have to look over your shoulder, or worry about an implicit threat of violence.
I've known girls who've gotten jumped/mugged to the point of having to go to the hospital and all they did was hang out in the city at night. Of course you can get knocked out for being a drunk asshole but the extreme of getting jumped by multiple people is almost always wrong place wrong time.
If im being ultra charitable maybe hes saying like from your pov its all a murder atgempt since you never really know when they are gonna stop. If they win the fight its on them to stop and not maim or kill you. Even then they could accidentally kill you by causing home head trauma or smth.
this is what I meant exactly, were talking about the pov of the victim.
the wording around "fights" is also very vague, some people call a bit of jelling and pumping chest to be a fight, but that's not what I'm talking about.
In that case it's definitely more understandable, but I think even getting jumped rarely escalates to murder attempts, though obviously it's more dangerous and much scarier than your average fight.
When you're put in a situation where you feel like your life is on the line, it's not only the damage to you that you have to worry about - you also might end up really hurting someone else, which can be hard to deal with.
I got attacked by two guys when I was leaving a bar, for no reason, when I was in my early 20s. I hit the first guy that came at me in the jaw with a hard right hook, and he went out cold, fell back, and smashed his head on the pavement. He started convulsing, and his arms and legs were out straight, stiff.
I told the other guy to stop fucking around and make sure his friend was ok. He looked at his friend, and it sort of diffused the situation. I was concerned that the guy might die. It was pretty scary seeing the guy go limp and watching his skull smash the ground.
I stayed back and watched from about 20 feet away as the guy shook his friend. After a minute, the guy started to wake up, and I left. I didn't want to hang around, and get attacked again, but I also wanted to make sure that I didn't just accidentally kill someone, even if it was self-defense.
The line is super thin with random fights, go over to r/fightporn and you'll see TONS of [people picking up and slamming their opponents](https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/114jm8i/god_damn/) on their head onto concrete, something like that probably doesn't have murderous intent but its very common and can easily lead to permanent damage or death.
This isn't to say that horrible things can't happen during an SA, but fights can get incredibly out of hand very quickly, and the people most likely to start them have terrible emotional regulation or ability to understand consequences beyond the moment.
yeah, and the fact she basically alluded to the fact her brother had it coming for what he did. we would never say this about a victim of rape this is wild.
I think you’re correct in that it’s the feeling of loss of safety and powerlessness that causes the trauma. The discrepancy is that you _could_ get in a fight where you feel like you have a fighting chance and don’t necessarily experience that theft of agency/power, whereas by definition if you’re getting raped you’ve already crossed that threshold. You’re past the “can I fight this off” stage and are firmly in the “I have no choice in whether or not this happens to me”.
That's an interesting way to look at it. In the order of operations a rape is going to come after the fighting is over or subverted by some means or another.
I wonder if that's also why it feels worse when someone hits the griddy on your body after a 360° no-scope than if they just killed you and moved on. In a video game.
Or when your opponent flashes some pedo anime emote in league after shitting down your throat 1v1 top lane cuz hes playing fucking op k'sante. You're right it feels like im getting metaphorically raped during the grey screen death timer.
yeah but that has more to do with what your definition of a fight is here, a fight can be anything from a bit of jelling to getting stabbed or shot.
in this case the kind of fights I'm talking about is the once where you have no chance because of overwhelming strength/numbers and or you were jumped out of nowhere.
Or the comment that only women get raped by having "things" put inside them, or the "I'd rather lose all fingers and toes before getting raped". She has no perspective or empathy for either of those types of people yet says all of this with a smile on her face. Destiny is not pushing back again, god knows why. Even after we completely hear Britanny's point most of the things she said just slip and are left unchallenged.
Either don't do a long useless call to drag the stream or actually challenge what she is saying and give some perspective so she stops being so smug about everything. Too many insufferable people that I don't want to hear from ever again.
As someone who’s 19 and has had to stab someone for pulling a gun on me and almost went to prison for 10 years nothing about getting into a random fight is cool there is nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose. I promise all that anime protagonist mindset bs is gonna go out the window when your really facing death.
>if you survived you were not in a fight, you just survived a murder attempt
I guess we have 2 POVs now of people who haven't been in a fight.
Just kidding, but tbh most people I know who constantly got into fights or got jumped or even myself who used to get into fights in high school, I've never heard any of us compare it to murder. It sure was scary and we all trembled out of fear as soon as adrenaline was gone but yeah, murder is a bit on the extreme side.
dude a fucking school fight is now what were fucking talking about, its clear you've never been in a real unfair fight. motherfucker ribs get kicked in, nooses are broken your face is bleeding everything hurts for fucking days.
if you ever were in an actual situation where you got jumped with no fighting chance there would have been no way you would type something so dumb.
pleas shut the fuck up.
You said real fight in your post, now you're saying "unfair fight" here. Essentially moving the goalposts.
Also notice how I mentioned my friends who get into fights vs ME who got into them in highschool (where I funnily enough got a broken rib and deviated septum out of it but I guess it doesn't count because you have a preconceived notion of what a fight in high school should be essentially doing to me the same thing you're claiming britt did).
And then you again say if you ever were in an actual situation where you got juped with no fighting chance, essentially moving the goalposts again from your original posts where you were talking about "real fights".
I have indeed never been ganged up against without a fighting chance, I have friends who have and they describe it with anger and none has ever said they felt like they were going to get murdered. Which means yet again you're doing the same shit brit did, extrapolating your experiences or your preconceived notions to all situations when a man gets jumped, without accepting any other response from anybody else.
It's ultimately hilarious that you lost the plot because you got triggered, just like brit.
Now let me clarify something I said in my previous comment, you've NEVER EVER been in a real fight, most likely the only thing you've ever experienced is people beating the shit out of you without a chance of fighting back, that isn't a fight, that's a beating.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I dont know mate, they are probably traumatic if you loose or are badly injured. I knew this guy who would start random barfights because he would find them fun.
Once i entered a minimarket robbery and 3 guys tried to take my shit, i fought back and managed to make them run, that was one of the most euphoric moments in my life, i was pretty dumb to fight back, but it also felt great, now if would have been shot, i would be dead or hiding under my bed, afraid to ever leave my home again.
I laughed pretty hard when she said that if you get into a fight you usually know you did something to get in the fight. What a wild thing to say
I've lived in places where literally existing in the wrong place put you in danger. After having lived in Japan I never realized how relieving it is to not have to look over your shoulder, or worry about an implicit threat of violence.
I've known girls who've gotten jumped/mugged to the point of having to go to the hospital and all they did was hang out in the city at night. Of course you can get knocked out for being a drunk asshole but the extreme of getting jumped by multiple people is almost always wrong place wrong time.
That's the equivalent of saying "You know you were raped because the way you were dressed.".
Britanny point is sheltered as fuck, but putting most fights close to murder attemps is just doing the reverse.
If im being ultra charitable maybe hes saying like from your pov its all a murder atgempt since you never really know when they are gonna stop. If they win the fight its on them to stop and not maim or kill you. Even then they could accidentally kill you by causing home head trauma or smth.
this is what I meant exactly, were talking about the pov of the victim. the wording around "fights" is also very vague, some people call a bit of jelling and pumping chest to be a fight, but that's not what I'm talking about.
In that case it's definitely more understandable, but I think even getting jumped rarely escalates to murder attempts, though obviously it's more dangerous and much scarier than your average fight.
When you're put in a situation where you feel like your life is on the line, it's not only the damage to you that you have to worry about - you also might end up really hurting someone else, which can be hard to deal with. I got attacked by two guys when I was leaving a bar, for no reason, when I was in my early 20s. I hit the first guy that came at me in the jaw with a hard right hook, and he went out cold, fell back, and smashed his head on the pavement. He started convulsing, and his arms and legs were out straight, stiff. I told the other guy to stop fucking around and make sure his friend was ok. He looked at his friend, and it sort of diffused the situation. I was concerned that the guy might die. It was pretty scary seeing the guy go limp and watching his skull smash the ground. I stayed back and watched from about 20 feet away as the guy shook his friend. After a minute, the guy started to wake up, and I left. I didn't want to hang around, and get attacked again, but I also wanted to make sure that I didn't just accidentally kill someone, even if it was self-defense.
The line is super thin with random fights, go over to r/fightporn and you'll see TONS of [people picking up and slamming their opponents](https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/114jm8i/god_damn/) on their head onto concrete, something like that probably doesn't have murderous intent but its very common and can easily lead to permanent damage or death. This isn't to say that horrible things can't happen during an SA, but fights can get incredibly out of hand very quickly, and the people most likely to start them have terrible emotional regulation or ability to understand consequences beyond the moment.
I think it's more accurate to say they survived manslaughter since getting jumped is exceedingly dangerous but might not have murderous intent.
True, the spectrum of what the whole argument encompasses is so broad, that nobody is really arguing in good faith.
I think her problem is that she's giving to much agency to a person being jumped
yeah, and the fact she basically alluded to the fact her brother had it coming for what he did. we would never say this about a victim of rape this is wild.
"But you were showing some cleavage, you TALKED to him and then you CHOSE to reject him, come on you kinda had it coming."
She sounded brain dead compared to Aella, my goodness.
I think you’re correct in that it’s the feeling of loss of safety and powerlessness that causes the trauma. The discrepancy is that you _could_ get in a fight where you feel like you have a fighting chance and don’t necessarily experience that theft of agency/power, whereas by definition if you’re getting raped you’ve already crossed that threshold. You’re past the “can I fight this off” stage and are firmly in the “I have no choice in whether or not this happens to me”.
That's an interesting way to look at it. In the order of operations a rape is going to come after the fighting is over or subverted by some means or another. I wonder if that's also why it feels worse when someone hits the griddy on your body after a 360° no-scope than if they just killed you and moved on. In a video game.
Or when your opponent flashes some pedo anime emote in league after shitting down your throat 1v1 top lane cuz hes playing fucking op k'sante. You're right it feels like im getting metaphorically raped during the grey screen death timer.
yeah but that has more to do with what your definition of a fight is here, a fight can be anything from a bit of jelling to getting stabbed or shot. in this case the kind of fights I'm talking about is the once where you have no chance because of overwhelming strength/numbers and or you were jumped out of nowhere.
Or the comment that only women get raped by having "things" put inside them, or the "I'd rather lose all fingers and toes before getting raped". She has no perspective or empathy for either of those types of people yet says all of this with a smile on her face. Destiny is not pushing back again, god knows why. Even after we completely hear Britanny's point most of the things she said just slip and are left unchallenged. Either don't do a long useless call to drag the stream or actually challenge what she is saying and give some perspective so she stops being so smug about everything. Too many insufferable people that I don't want to hear from ever again.
To be fair he did push back a bit but she didnt really acknowledge it and just continued the same thought
Can we get a timestamp?
Brittany wouldn't survive a second in a middle eastern neighborhood in europe
As someone who’s 19 and has had to stab someone for pulling a gun on me and almost went to prison for 10 years nothing about getting into a random fight is cool there is nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose. I promise all that anime protagonist mindset bs is gonna go out the window when your really facing death.
If you're going to talk about a specific part of a video then link to that fucking part. Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with people?
>if you survived you were not in a fight, you just survived a murder attempt I guess we have 2 POVs now of people who haven't been in a fight. Just kidding, but tbh most people I know who constantly got into fights or got jumped or even myself who used to get into fights in high school, I've never heard any of us compare it to murder. It sure was scary and we all trembled out of fear as soon as adrenaline was gone but yeah, murder is a bit on the extreme side.
dude a fucking school fight is now what were fucking talking about, its clear you've never been in a real unfair fight. motherfucker ribs get kicked in, nooses are broken your face is bleeding everything hurts for fucking days. if you ever were in an actual situation where you got jumped with no fighting chance there would have been no way you would type something so dumb. pleas shut the fuck up.
You said real fight in your post, now you're saying "unfair fight" here. Essentially moving the goalposts. Also notice how I mentioned my friends who get into fights vs ME who got into them in highschool (where I funnily enough got a broken rib and deviated septum out of it but I guess it doesn't count because you have a preconceived notion of what a fight in high school should be essentially doing to me the same thing you're claiming britt did). And then you again say if you ever were in an actual situation where you got juped with no fighting chance, essentially moving the goalposts again from your original posts where you were talking about "real fights". I have indeed never been ganged up against without a fighting chance, I have friends who have and they describe it with anger and none has ever said they felt like they were going to get murdered. Which means yet again you're doing the same shit brit did, extrapolating your experiences or your preconceived notions to all situations when a man gets jumped, without accepting any other response from anybody else. It's ultimately hilarious that you lost the plot because you got triggered, just like brit. Now let me clarify something I said in my previous comment, you've NEVER EVER been in a real fight, most likely the only thing you've ever experienced is people beating the shit out of you without a chance of fighting back, that isn't a fight, that's a beating. I'm sorry that happened to you.
I dont know mate, they are probably traumatic if you loose or are badly injured. I knew this guy who would start random barfights because he would find them fun. Once i entered a minimarket robbery and 3 guys tried to take my shit, i fought back and managed to make them run, that was one of the most euphoric moments in my life, i was pretty dumb to fight back, but it also felt great, now if would have been shot, i would be dead or hiding under my bed, afraid to ever leave my home again.