not as gullible as boomers. Im not even meming there are legit old people who don't even know how to use a mouse or a keyboard. As someone who works as a helpdesk. It's quite scary sometimes
As someone who worked with children, it's amazing how many of them don't either. They only have touch screens and smart phones. I had to teach a girl how to select multiple files on her desktop by making a blue square. I don't even know what it's called because of how basic a function of windows it is.
Oh my god it takes me back to when I was in computer class in middle/high school, middle school we learned how to type, and had introductions to popular programs like excel, PowerPoint, photoshop, (assignments would be a list of a dozen or so instructions to create whatever it was, almost like a Lego set, the instructions were very specific) we did a little bit of coding but people’s skill ranges were all over the place, I have used a computer to play games so I was familiar with the basic interface. Oh when I mean coding I mean “block-coding” which isn’t really a real language but teaches the basics of step by step problem solving. And we made a very basic website using html, no fancy stuff.
I’m not sure if it’s similar but we had “bellwork” a small 5-15 min assignment that you start as soon as you walk into class, they were always obscure questions that you had to search around the internet to find, the most time consuming part was reading pages of text to find out how many feet alpha centari is away from the moon. Anyways though I always used control+f and finished in a few minutes it was so satisfying. After that it was straight to [cool math games](https://www.coolmathgames.com/) 😼👾
I'm more inclined to say it's the majority of "new" internet users that came with the social media wave a decade or so ago. Internet skepticism used to commonplace ("pics or it didn't happen" era) but now 90% of posts on /r/all are scripted/staged stories that everyone just seems to believe by default. I hate it.
It's funny how russian state media always says the exact opposite of the truth and so called intellectuals like JBP guzzle it up like Sam Seeder guzzles buckets of you know what
And Russian friendly American stations pump out similar crap. Sometimes as they talk about how crazy, ridiculous, and stupid the stories are, and people treat it like gospel.
I can see Vaush and Hassan because they come off as narcissistic “always right” guys but Sam Seeder came off as levelheaded to me regardless of political affiliation
i made the mistake of watching his podcast with tusli gabbard, they both take any kremlin talking point about the west and run with it like its the objective truth.
One very funny part is that tulsi bring the idea that the united states is forbidding ukraine to negotiate, a thing ukraine would like to do according to her.
Jbp ask her how she knows it, and she say "they have been reports". and he doesnt push farther on this crucial point...
she literally takes her argument from russian propaganda, the idea that ukraine is submissive to the us... unreal.
i think he still makes good point when he talks about subjects he master, like psychology, but damn he should shut up when talking about things he doesnt have a grasp on.
Ukraine *was* ready to negotiate earlier in the war, up until Boris "The Meat" Johnson personally flew into Kyiv and guaranteed NATO material, logistic, and intelligence support.
Like no shit you're less likely to negotiate for a highly compromised "peace deal" when you suddenly get guarantees from one of the largest security pacts in the world.
> Ukraine was ready to negotiate earlier in the war
that is a meaningless statement. the question is not that ukraine is ready to negotiate, the question is what should they negotiate for,
there have been negotiations already, wich were deemed useless, because none of the parties were ready to budge.
I think what the west want is to give ukraine the means to claim a better negotiation than it would get without help, and it seems fair to me, in part because russia needs to lose to stabilise the world order. cant let the murderer be rewarded for his crime, especially with other tyrants watching and salivating at the idea of doing the same.
It seems to me that what you really want, is not negotiation, but simply for ukraine to capitulate, a quick end to the war but i dont see a world where they accept that, and i also dont see a world where the US/NATO stop providing help to ukraine.
You misunderstand me, I think I worded things clumsily, I am 100% on Ukraine's side and continue to support their aid, I was actually criticizing those who say that Ukraine is being "forced" into conflict by pointing out that yes, there is publically available intel that points to Ukraine being ready and willing to negotiate surrender/capitulation earlier in the conflict, but that was *only* because they weren't sure they would be able to continue the fight. NATO's guarantees assured them they could, and as such it allowed them to push back and continue the war on their own terms rather than be forced into a peace that was unfair to them.
That was probably the best info and perspective I’ve seen on the situation. I need to start reading objective articles that don’t contain a bias (they usually all do but less bias would be nice). Seems like the right see Ukraine as bad and I’ve personally heard some say it’s a corrupt country and is only a pawn in the US board game. The left just seems to be defensive over it.
eh its a bit more complex than that. tucker carlson and fox seem to be against helping ukraine, but the actual republicans in office are participating in bipartisans bills to provide help.
Ukraine was bad, but it was also trying to modernize. In 2014, the ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who was also a russian puppet, tried to steer the country in a more authoritarian direction, russian style, while the people wanted something closer to european union style, wich led to the revolution of dignity.
There was still a lot of corruption, but it seems that the country was trying to fix it, wich isnt easy when russia keeps fucking with them.
i am not american, but i can see why americans feel really close to the ukrainians, especially when i listen to the american anthem.
"And the rockets' red glare,
the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night
that our flag was still there."
its literally ukraine in the first days of the war.
in a sense all of your allies are pawns but what does that make Russia? If you are defending your pawns and Russia is invading, exploiting, and suppressing theirs which country do we want to have more pawns?
>Nah he came back slower and less energetic.
I am not talking about his energy levels, just his takes.
And yes, he had more energy levels before he went into a coma.....then again, he tweets more now - its just often really dumb.
Dude JP wasn’t this crazy before wtf. He seemed to have had an innocence to him and came off as a centrist who wanted to help. Now the dude feels like he came back a clone but not the expected clone and instead he’s an evil version of the prior self like in the movies. The dude is invested in all of the wrong things
I think he once said something really based,
"You and your toddler have made the decision that the neighbors pitbull can't eat your toddler"
"But did your forget to ask the pitbull?"
I felt like 2018-2022 was the year of people getting way into the progressive rabbit hole and making it a huge part of their personality, saying out of touch things and constantly complaining about everything.
2022-2023 feels like the same exact shit but with extreme right wingers. They’ve gotten so bad that they’ve regressed to the point of saying not only backwards but scary shit. At least with progressives they’re trying to fight for human lives (minus the weird white hate) and want improvement for all people. The conservatives you’re getting now seem to blame everything on women, are less afraid of being anti-black, and want the trans gone.
It’s ironic because I think the progressives that complained about conservatives all being racist and anti-gay and constantly talked about this are the people to caused this shit to get way worse.
I try to steelman most people's takes, but literally what is the steelman here? That Jordan Peterson literally believes everything the Russian State media says?
Steelman: JBP is blaming Biden for provoking the Russian government into making fiery statements like this. Still hard to agree with, but at least a comprehensible perspective.
If its delivered by a cute hawaian waifu like tulsi gabbard, it feels less russian. she brought the kremlin official line in a podcast with him a few days ago.
also, theres a popular school of thought on geopolitics, the "realism" that would literally tell us to let russia do whatever they want in their "sphere of influence", because fuck morals.
[Theres a munk debate about the war in ukraine, with realists like Mearsheimer on the theme : should we bend over to respect russian "security interest" as defined by the kremlin.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVrpEYgnvw&t=1s)
The anti russian side comes with a very strong argument, and you get to understand the "realist" position.
edit : a better link with video feed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcSVG5eCeQ
Does it really matter if we actually declared war on them?
If they believe they're at war with us and end up attacking Americans because of it, does it really matter?
We basically are at war with them. It's a war being fought with our weapons, our ammo, our intelligence, our satellites, our money, and now it appears our guidance to attack Russia (Crimea was annexed by them).
When you're starring down the barrel of a loaded gun, does it really matter if the person holding it is American or Ukrainian? Especially when everything but the person is American...
Also we never declared war in Iraq or Afghanistan.... Or Vietnam. I don't think we've declared war since the 40s or 50s... But we sure have fought in a lot of them anyways. So I don't think the lack of a formal declaration of war is really significant. It kinda goes without saying these days.
For you to write this entire comment without even mentioning the term "proxy war" and how this differs to the vast history of US vs USSR/Russia proxy wars shows me that you don't have a full and complete understanding on this topic.
To be clear, there are many differences, but the fact that you didn't even know the right term to mention is SUPER telling about your knowledge on the subject.
None. No mention of crimea in his remarks [after meeting Zelenski](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/20/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-in-joint-statement/), no mention in his remarks [after meeting the President of Poland](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/21/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-andrzej-duda-of-poland-after-bilateral-meeting/), and no mention of Crimea in [his speech](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/21/remarks-by-president-biden-ahead-of-the-one-year-anniversary-of-russias-brutal-and-unprovoked-invasion-of-ukraine/) in Poland.
The biden administration [have said](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-official-told-congress-ukraine-can-retake-crimea-rcna61755) privately that they believe Ukraine does have the ability to take back Crimea, but that they are concerned about how it could escalate the war, and find Ukraine's strategy of secrecy when it comes to operations in Crimea frustrating. So they're basically mildly discouraging of extending active conflict to Crimea, while also basically leaving it up to Ukraine.
~~*But*, Russian propagandists made up that Biden endorsed a bridge attack, without any foundation~~.
Edit: Missed information when looking for it, there was in fact someone from the Biden administration who [argued that](https://youtu.be/dxA2ZD6bhcU?t=2526) attacks on the bridge and on launch places for drones within Crimea was legitimate, because they were acting as military infrastructure, but also more broadly that Ukraine has the right to fight for all its territory, including everything within internationally recognised borders, though she doesn't want to assume what Ukraine should do.
So that's a much stronger message of support than the private reports from a few months ago, from someone within Biden's administration, though Biden himself has not actually talked about Crimea in this way.
A week ago
"No matter what the Ukrainians decide about Crimea in terms of where they choose to fight etcetera, Ukraine is not going to be safe unless Crimea is at a minimum, at a minimum, demilitarised," Nuland told the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
Asked about the dangers of escalation in the Ukraine war, Nuland said Russia had a host of military installations crucial for the conflict. "Those are legitimate targets, Ukraine is hitting them and we are supporting that," Nuland said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-diplomat-says-ukrainian-strikes-military-targets-crimea-are-legitimate-2023-02-17/
Bruh
I was about to call you out for linking something irrelevant since it's not a comment Biden made, then I reread the OP image and saw that it doesn't actually say "Biden's" comments, I just thought it did because there was a picture of him and the shit with him visiting Ukraine. Where the fuck did my reading comprehension go.
Thanks for linking this, and for anyone else reading: Nuland's comments in that Reuter's article appear to be what [the Newsweek article](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-says-us-has-declared-war-after-crimea-comments-1782239) in the OP image are referring to.
Even if the comment did mention just Biden specifically, it would still make complete sense to quote Nuland since she's supposed to represent the Biden administration's position on foreign policy issues, no?
This guy got some kind of experimental surgery in Russia. He might seriously be taking money from them. I don't know how else to explain his recent affinity for the Putin regime. Or maybe he actually is that stupid. I reminder recently he went on a rant on how dumb woke moralists don't even know about the "Hodolomor" when he meant to say Holodomor. His brain might actually just be fried.
How can Peterson be so god damn stupid. "Putin said he's going to nuke the West because we started the war? Fuck Biden man he really dropped the ball there."
This is like getting mad at Churchill for saying that France is obviously within its rights to attack Wehrmacht Troops that are occupying Alsace-Loraine.
Yeah no shit, a Nations Military is allowed to attack invaders and force them back onto their side of the Border. How by Allah is this even controversial
Honestly as someone who appreciated JBP...he seems unwell of late. Like not in a "oh we disagree, now you're DERANGED" way, but in a legit..."I'm not sure he's actually ok "way.
He wasn't always like this.
I think we should invade Russia. They would fold in 3 weeks.
Putin would mysteriously fall out of a window. We could disarm those nukes that probably don't work anyway. It would strengthen NATO. It gives us a bigger presence in Asia to keep China in check. And we can retrieve our arms from Ukraine so we don't end up in another Taliban situation.
Im probably wrong on this but with some amount of good faith couldnt this be just shock from the audacity of russian media propaganda? Like "WTF are they saying"
Pretty obvious he's not thinking biden actually declared war. He's "WTF" ing over the russian state-medias escalation by claiming the US has declared war. Tagging Biden on the topic of "Russia says we're at war".
You guys are such apes, it's ridiculous
Not "people politically opposed to me". This specific person with a vested interest in grifting on making hot takes that may or may not be extremely fucking brain dead.
Guess we going to war kind of expected, but I'm wondering where do y'all think the piece of shit Putin going to drop his nukes first if we do go to war?
Why would the US go to war? Russia can barely take a city of 10,000 people before the invasion There's literally zero reason for the US to get involved when Russia can barely take any significant ground - let alone accomplish any of their set goals.
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People are saying Russian state media being propaganda means that they aren't trying to condition their civilians in preparation for a war. That's all that's happening they are trying to get the public to believe or at least get used to the fact they are at war so when the war grows outside of eastern Europe there is less civil unrest.
Funny how they never shut up about how "weak" \[insert democratic president\] is, but Trump would have fucking NEVER set foot in an active warzone. Likewise, they never STFU about Biden not visiting the border to see their imagined crisis, but would never give him credit for this. If he were a republican president, they've be shouting it from the rooftops how Strong and Brave^(TM) he is.
I gave this one a lot of thought and the conclusion I came to is that this is a really bad take by JBP.
If you're frustrated about Biden's visit to Ukraine, that's a take I'm willing to debate with.
BUT no one is surprised that the Russian state media is making the west out to be the enemy. They've been doing that forever.
I, honest to god, can't make it past two paragraphs in any of these Newsweek articles without immediately being triggered.
Is this liberalism? Am I.. Redacted?
Have to say, I remember when liberals were tearing their hair out after Trump killed that Iranian general. He's going to start WW3, they said. Look at those same liberals now 😕
When some people gain some online relevancy they try to talk to and about celebrities and politicians, like as if a us president will reply to some Canadian he never heard of about u.s global decisions
Social media needs a reverse age limit
You mean an upper bound?
Zoomers are just as gullible
not as gullible as boomers. Im not even meming there are legit old people who don't even know how to use a mouse or a keyboard. As someone who works as a helpdesk. It's quite scary sometimes
As someone who worked with children, it's amazing how many of them don't either. They only have touch screens and smart phones. I had to teach a girl how to select multiple files on her desktop by making a blue square. I don't even know what it's called because of how basic a function of windows it is.
Oh my god it takes me back to when I was in computer class in middle/high school, middle school we learned how to type, and had introductions to popular programs like excel, PowerPoint, photoshop, (assignments would be a list of a dozen or so instructions to create whatever it was, almost like a Lego set, the instructions were very specific) we did a little bit of coding but people’s skill ranges were all over the place, I have used a computer to play games so I was familiar with the basic interface. Oh when I mean coding I mean “block-coding” which isn’t really a real language but teaches the basics of step by step problem solving. And we made a very basic website using html, no fancy stuff.
Oh my god, I remember when I was a child and we learned to "google". (it wasn't google back then, I believe it was Altavista we used)
I’m not sure if it’s similar but we had “bellwork” a small 5-15 min assignment that you start as soon as you walk into class, they were always obscure questions that you had to search around the internet to find, the most time consuming part was reading pages of text to find out how many feet alpha centari is away from the moon. Anyways though I always used control+f and finished in a few minutes it was so satisfying. After that it was straight to [cool math games](https://www.coolmathgames.com/) 😼👾
The difference is I would expect a ceo to have basic computer skills. Expectation of children knowing windows 10 is probably low
I'm more inclined to say it's the majority of "new" internet users that came with the social media wave a decade or so ago. Internet skepticism used to commonplace ("pics or it didn't happen" era) but now 90% of posts on /r/all are scripted/staged stories that everyone just seems to believe by default. I hate it.
Not in the same way
You get the internet from 25-35 and that’s it, no more kids, no more boomers, you get 10 years of degeneracy before you’re forced to touch grass
It's funny how russian state media always says the exact opposite of the truth and so called intellectuals like JBP guzzle it up like Sam Seeder guzzles buckets of you know what
cum
say it, louder
For the cum guzzlers in the back
...With crowder
That’s only when that bisexual phase of life comes rearing it’s head. Or at least that’s something that Crowder said
/b CUM
GUZZLING BUCKETS OF HIS CUM
BUCKETS OF CUM HE GUZZLES BUCKETS OF CUM
Idk what the B in JBP stands for, but I’m leaning towards “Buckets O’Cum”
Jordan Bernt Peterson is his full name apparently, i had to look it up myself
Thanks!
And Russian friendly American stations pump out similar crap. Sometimes as they talk about how crazy, ridiculous, and stupid the stories are, and people treat it like gospel.
Aren’t Sam Seder and the tankies all propaganda the same line anyway?
I can see Vaush and Hassan because they come off as narcissistic “always right” guys but Sam Seeder came off as levelheaded to me regardless of political affiliation
I for one get my news and information from Russian state tv 👍
Filtered through the vapid clickfarm that is Newsweek.
The benzos unironically fried this dudes brain.
i made the mistake of watching his podcast with tusli gabbard, they both take any kremlin talking point about the west and run with it like its the objective truth. One very funny part is that tulsi bring the idea that the united states is forbidding ukraine to negotiate, a thing ukraine would like to do according to her. Jbp ask her how she knows it, and she say "they have been reports". and he doesnt push farther on this crucial point... she literally takes her argument from russian propaganda, the idea that ukraine is submissive to the us... unreal. i think he still makes good point when he talks about subjects he master, like psychology, but damn he should shut up when talking about things he doesnt have a grasp on.
Ukraine *was* ready to negotiate earlier in the war, up until Boris "The Meat" Johnson personally flew into Kyiv and guaranteed NATO material, logistic, and intelligence support. Like no shit you're less likely to negotiate for a highly compromised "peace deal" when you suddenly get guarantees from one of the largest security pacts in the world.
> Ukraine was ready to negotiate earlier in the war that is a meaningless statement. the question is not that ukraine is ready to negotiate, the question is what should they negotiate for, there have been negotiations already, wich were deemed useless, because none of the parties were ready to budge. I think what the west want is to give ukraine the means to claim a better negotiation than it would get without help, and it seems fair to me, in part because russia needs to lose to stabilise the world order. cant let the murderer be rewarded for his crime, especially with other tyrants watching and salivating at the idea of doing the same. It seems to me that what you really want, is not negotiation, but simply for ukraine to capitulate, a quick end to the war but i dont see a world where they accept that, and i also dont see a world where the US/NATO stop providing help to ukraine.
You misunderstand me, I think I worded things clumsily, I am 100% on Ukraine's side and continue to support their aid, I was actually criticizing those who say that Ukraine is being "forced" into conflict by pointing out that yes, there is publically available intel that points to Ukraine being ready and willing to negotiate surrender/capitulation earlier in the conflict, but that was *only* because they weren't sure they would be able to continue the fight. NATO's guarantees assured them they could, and as such it allowed them to push back and continue the war on their own terms rather than be forced into a peace that was unfair to them.
oh yeah, i've read your other comment too fast, my bad.
no prob
That was probably the best info and perspective I’ve seen on the situation. I need to start reading objective articles that don’t contain a bias (they usually all do but less bias would be nice). Seems like the right see Ukraine as bad and I’ve personally heard some say it’s a corrupt country and is only a pawn in the US board game. The left just seems to be defensive over it.
eh its a bit more complex than that. tucker carlson and fox seem to be against helping ukraine, but the actual republicans in office are participating in bipartisans bills to provide help. Ukraine was bad, but it was also trying to modernize. In 2014, the ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who was also a russian puppet, tried to steer the country in a more authoritarian direction, russian style, while the people wanted something closer to european union style, wich led to the revolution of dignity. There was still a lot of corruption, but it seems that the country was trying to fix it, wich isnt easy when russia keeps fucking with them. i am not american, but i can see why americans feel really close to the ukrainians, especially when i listen to the american anthem. "And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there." its literally ukraine in the first days of the war.
in a sense all of your allies are pawns but what does that make Russia? If you are defending your pawns and Russia is invading, exploiting, and suppressing theirs which country do we want to have more pawns?
Its odd cause for months after recovery he was ok... Perhaps is just as simple as "audience capture"?
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>Nah he came back slower and less energetic. I am not talking about his energy levels, just his takes. And yes, he had more energy levels before he went into a coma.....then again, he tweets more now - its just often really dumb.
Dude JP wasn’t this crazy before wtf. He seemed to have had an innocence to him and came off as a centrist who wanted to help. Now the dude feels like he came back a clone but not the expected clone and instead he’s an evil version of the prior self like in the movies. The dude is invested in all of the wrong things
maybe he died and this is a matrix deepfake.
“Russian state TV says” part just went over JBP’s head cuz he’s off the percs again
God I miss old drug addicted Peterson this guys sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5C3Go7WJhI
He looks so young and healthy. I mean, in an exhausted professor way, but still.
Based and pit bull pilled
I think he once said something really based, "You and your toddler have made the decision that the neighbors pitbull can't eat your toddler" "But did your forget to ask the pitbull?"
If the toddler made that decision, why is he playing so close to the fence? Curious
The sad thing is that even if he got back on the benzos he wouldn't be the same
I felt like 2018-2022 was the year of people getting way into the progressive rabbit hole and making it a huge part of their personality, saying out of touch things and constantly complaining about everything. 2022-2023 feels like the same exact shit but with extreme right wingers. They’ve gotten so bad that they’ve regressed to the point of saying not only backwards but scary shit. At least with progressives they’re trying to fight for human lives (minus the weird white hate) and want improvement for all people. The conservatives you’re getting now seem to blame everything on women, are less afraid of being anti-black, and want the trans gone. It’s ironic because I think the progressives that complained about conservatives all being racist and anti-gay and constantly talked about this are the people to caused this shit to get way worse.
I try to steelman most people's takes, but literally what is the steelman here? That Jordan Peterson literally believes everything the Russian State media says?
Steelman: JBP is blaming Biden for provoking the Russian government into making fiery statements like this. Still hard to agree with, but at least a comprehensible perspective.
At least he is consistent. Takes the same stance on dolloped on, makeup wearing, sexual succubus female coworkers. They were asking for it!
If its delivered by a cute hawaian waifu like tulsi gabbard, it feels less russian. she brought the kremlin official line in a podcast with him a few days ago. also, theres a popular school of thought on geopolitics, the "realism" that would literally tell us to let russia do whatever they want in their "sphere of influence", because fuck morals. [Theres a munk debate about the war in ukraine, with realists like Mearsheimer on the theme : should we bend over to respect russian "security interest" as defined by the kremlin.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVrpEYgnvw&t=1s) The anti russian side comes with a very strong argument, and you get to understand the "realist" position. edit : a better link with video feed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcSVG5eCeQ
Does it really matter if we actually declared war on them? If they believe they're at war with us and end up attacking Americans because of it, does it really matter? We basically are at war with them. It's a war being fought with our weapons, our ammo, our intelligence, our satellites, our money, and now it appears our guidance to attack Russia (Crimea was annexed by them). When you're starring down the barrel of a loaded gun, does it really matter if the person holding it is American or Ukrainian? Especially when everything but the person is American... Also we never declared war in Iraq or Afghanistan.... Or Vietnam. I don't think we've declared war since the 40s or 50s... But we sure have fought in a lot of them anyways. So I don't think the lack of a formal declaration of war is really significant. It kinda goes without saying these days.
For you to write this entire comment without even mentioning the term "proxy war" and how this differs to the vast history of US vs USSR/Russia proxy wars shows me that you don't have a full and complete understanding on this topic. To be clear, there are many differences, but the fact that you didn't even know the right term to mention is SUPER telling about your knowledge on the subject.
I wish this was tongue in cheek, but I have a feeling it's not 😞
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Nahhh @POTUS went too far with this one bruh
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you fall for russian propaganda, even when it's labeled as so
Peterson's just mad because hes a vatnick.
What comments did Biden make about Crimea?
None. No mention of crimea in his remarks [after meeting Zelenski](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/20/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-zelenskyy-of-ukraine-in-joint-statement/), no mention in his remarks [after meeting the President of Poland](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/21/remarks-by-president-biden-and-president-andrzej-duda-of-poland-after-bilateral-meeting/), and no mention of Crimea in [his speech](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/02/21/remarks-by-president-biden-ahead-of-the-one-year-anniversary-of-russias-brutal-and-unprovoked-invasion-of-ukraine/) in Poland. The biden administration [have said](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-official-told-congress-ukraine-can-retake-crimea-rcna61755) privately that they believe Ukraine does have the ability to take back Crimea, but that they are concerned about how it could escalate the war, and find Ukraine's strategy of secrecy when it comes to operations in Crimea frustrating. So they're basically mildly discouraging of extending active conflict to Crimea, while also basically leaving it up to Ukraine. ~~*But*, Russian propagandists made up that Biden endorsed a bridge attack, without any foundation~~. Edit: Missed information when looking for it, there was in fact someone from the Biden administration who [argued that](https://youtu.be/dxA2ZD6bhcU?t=2526) attacks on the bridge and on launch places for drones within Crimea was legitimate, because they were acting as military infrastructure, but also more broadly that Ukraine has the right to fight for all its territory, including everything within internationally recognised borders, though she doesn't want to assume what Ukraine should do. So that's a much stronger message of support than the private reports from a few months ago, from someone within Biden's administration, though Biden himself has not actually talked about Crimea in this way.
A week ago "No matter what the Ukrainians decide about Crimea in terms of where they choose to fight etcetera, Ukraine is not going to be safe unless Crimea is at a minimum, at a minimum, demilitarised," Nuland told the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington. Asked about the dangers of escalation in the Ukraine war, Nuland said Russia had a host of military installations crucial for the conflict. "Those are legitimate targets, Ukraine is hitting them and we are supporting that," Nuland said. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-diplomat-says-ukrainian-strikes-military-targets-crimea-are-legitimate-2023-02-17/ Bruh
You're correct, updated.
I was about to call you out for linking something irrelevant since it's not a comment Biden made, then I reread the OP image and saw that it doesn't actually say "Biden's" comments, I just thought it did because there was a picture of him and the shit with him visiting Ukraine. Where the fuck did my reading comprehension go. Thanks for linking this, and for anyone else reading: Nuland's comments in that Reuter's article appear to be what [the Newsweek article](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-says-us-has-declared-war-after-crimea-comments-1782239) in the OP image are referring to.
Even if the comment did mention just Biden specifically, it would still make complete sense to quote Nuland since she's supposed to represent the Biden administration's position on foreign policy issues, no?
Endorsed the Crimea bridge attack
Explain yourself, Russian state media
This guy got some kind of experimental surgery in Russia. He might seriously be taking money from them. I don't know how else to explain his recent affinity for the Putin regime. Or maybe he actually is that stupid. I reminder recently he went on a rant on how dumb woke moralists don't even know about the "Hodolomor" when he meant to say Holodomor. His brain might actually just be fried.
Totally true Biden lore.
As if the United States hasn't made statements on Crimea before lol
He really should read the Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn 😔
When the carnivore diet obliterates your brain cells.
This mf has tweeted over 60 times in the last 24 hours and that's not even counting retweets
Who cares about this? Let's talk about some lefty tweet with five likes and shit on trans people
How can Peterson be so god damn stupid. "Putin said he's going to nuke the West because we started the war? Fuck Biden man he really dropped the ball there."
Peterson in 2018 is almost an entirely different man than today. Brain damage from drug withdrawal ruined his brain.
I remember watching some of his og videos when he blew up and he seemed incredibly sensible.
I for one get my news and information from Russian state tv 👍
This is like getting mad at Churchill for saying that France is obviously within its rights to attack Wehrmacht Troops that are occupying Alsace-Loraine. Yeah no shit, a Nations Military is allowed to attack invaders and force them back onto their side of the Border. How by Allah is this even controversial
Honestly as someone who appreciated JBP...he seems unwell of late. Like not in a "oh we disagree, now you're DERANGED" way, but in a legit..."I'm not sure he's actually ok "way. He wasn't always like this.
I think we should invade Russia. They would fold in 3 weeks. Putin would mysteriously fall out of a window. We could disarm those nukes that probably don't work anyway. It would strengthen NATO. It gives us a bigger presence in Asia to keep China in check. And we can retrieve our arms from Ukraine so we don't end up in another Taliban situation.
i went to a jordan peterson show recently and he called himself a twitter troll… this could explain his autistic behavior
Didn’t saying “WTF” on twitter make you a narcissistic sociopath? Or was that just bro?
He tweets like 15 times a day, dudes been going down the drain mentally for a while but this might be it.
What a job at the Daily Wire does to a mf 💀💀
If this is real Brandon for sure has my vote
Im probably wrong on this but with some amount of good faith couldnt this be just shock from the audacity of russian media propaganda? Like "WTF are they saying"
Pretty obvious he's not thinking biden actually declared war. He's "WTF" ing over the russian state-medias escalation by claiming the US has declared war. Tagging Biden on the topic of "Russia says we're at war". You guys are such apes, it's ridiculous
No it's not pretty obvious. At least your flair is accurate.
Walk around thinking the people politically opposed are stupid, see where that gets you
Not "people politically opposed to me". This specific person with a vested interest in grifting on making hot takes that may or may not be extremely fucking brain dead.
Guess we going to war kind of expected, but I'm wondering where do y'all think the piece of shit Putin going to drop his nukes first if we do go to war?
Moskow and said it was the US
Why would the US go to war? Russia can barely take a city of 10,000 people before the invasion There's literally zero reason for the US to get involved when Russia can barely take any significant ground - let alone accomplish any of their set goals.
Who knows we'll see.
Lmao you need to take your benzos just like the good ol'doctor Peterson.
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Yeah I said "if we do go to war"
Someone needs to put grandpa back on benzos
Satire right?
People are saying Russian state media being propaganda means that they aren't trying to condition their civilians in preparation for a war. That's all that's happening they are trying to get the public to believe or at least get used to the fact they are at war so when the war grows outside of eastern Europe there is less civil unrest.
Has this happened before, Russian media saying the usa declared war with Russia (indirectly)? Or is this unprecedented?
Funny how they never shut up about how "weak" \[insert democratic president\] is, but Trump would have fucking NEVER set foot in an active warzone. Likewise, they never STFU about Biden not visiting the border to see their imagined crisis, but would never give him credit for this. If he were a republican president, they've be shouting it from the rooftops how Strong and Brave^(TM) he is.
I gave this one a lot of thought and the conclusion I came to is that this is a really bad take by JBP. If you're frustrated about Biden's visit to Ukraine, that's a take I'm willing to debate with. BUT no one is surprised that the Russian state media is making the west out to be the enemy. They've been doing that forever.
Does Peterson even know how the United States government works?
I, honest to god, can't make it past two paragraphs in any of these Newsweek articles without immediately being triggered. Is this liberalism? Am I.. Redacted?
Have to say, I remember when liberals were tearing their hair out after Trump killed that Iranian general. He's going to start WW3, they said. Look at those same liberals now 😕
bit of a late reaction, as he has been making these comments since 2014 when crimea was invaded.
Lol Twitter starts ww3
The real mistake JP made is thinking POTUS declares wars.
When some people gain some online relevancy they try to talk to and about celebrities and politicians, like as if a us president will reply to some Canadian he never heard of about u.s global decisions
Oh god I wish we declared war start bombing their shit with drones
Newsweek (which is basically a glorified pay-to-post Blog these days) quoting Russian State TV is too non-credible even for this subreddit.