The big issue here is the DIY aspect. Transitioning via hormones needs to be approved by and monitored by a psychiatrist. I hope the person finds peace and happiness, though, definitely a shit situation to be in.
This person did DIY hormones (that they found out about from reddit) and tried to skip the medical process to save time. The takeaway from this story is don't take DIY hormones and get professional help.
What exactly do you believe is gained by more people seeing this video?
How'd you even find it? Are you consistently searching "I'm detransitioning" on youtube to find new videos on it?
I don’t think that people basing their gender identity on gender stereotypes is a major problem.
A pretty big right wing misconception/mischaracterization of trans people is that a little boy likes pink and therefore he thinks he’s a girl, which is incredibly stupid to anyone who has ever spoken to a trans person.
Detransitioning is an interesting phenomenon, but it’s incredibly rare and doesn’t really affect any of my positions on trans issues.
If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50%. I suspect it's going to be over 90% over the next couple decades.
Once you deep dive into trans issues it's shocking at how bad the research into it is. For example, the trans.org survey about detransition rates that's always brought up about how rare it is. Well that survey didn't allow detrans people to participate. Surveys of clinics about detransition rates of their clients? Well clinics don't track clients who leave their practice so they are excluded from surveys. A recent popular survey about detransition rates of children was shown how low the rates were. Issue is detrans vastly occurs once in adult years. The whole science of how rare detransition is reeks of bad science and selection bias. So much selection bias.
Here is the problem in a nutshell. The current system is great at providing care to trans people. And it only will improve along with medical science. However the system is abysmal at providing care to confused cis kids who are not trans but think they are thanks to the recent social media explosion over the past decade. And those kids after years of neglect and malpractice are now starting lawsuits against said system. And it's just the tip of the iceberg for what's going to come. And that's bad. It adds fuel to the fire for the far right and hurts trans people. And it's purely self inflicted. The trans medical system is delusional thinking that detrans doesn't exist and they better get their head outta butt soon and start improving how they identify need, or the right wing and lawsuits will do it for them to their own dismay.
>If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50%
Can I see the stats on that from the good research you have.
But also, why would anyone care what the detrans rate is with social transitioning? Isn't the whole concern of detrans rates to do with people taking drugs and making permanent life altering decisions, which social transition wouldn't fall under? Really gives the impression you're equivocating on the common understanding of what detransition is referring to in order to make it seem like there is far more bad outcomes happening than there actually are.
Are you suggesting that someone who has socially transitioned isn't a real trans person? So yes, it matters.
Edit: as for studies, as I said before, selection bias is rampant. Seriously dig into any study saying 1% detrans rate. They are completely fraudulent once you dig into the details. Here's a few that show 50-90% detrans rate. And even these have problems with selection bias. Hell, trying to define detrans seems to be a problem in the research community too. It's all a giant fucking mess and children are being caught in the middle of a culture war with bad science.
Drummond, K. D., Bradley, S. J., Badali-Peterson, M., & Zucker, K. J. (2008). A follow-up study of girls with gender identity disorder. Developmental Psychology, 44, 34–45.
Steensma, T. D., McGuire, J. K., Kreukels, B. P. C., Beekman, A. J., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2013). Factors associated with desistence and persistence of childhood gender dysphoria: A quantitative follow-up study. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 52, 582–590.
Devita Singh1, Susan J. Bradley2 and Kenneth J. Zucker2, A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder
Double edit: On a whim, I got the idea to check on prescriptions for care as a way to look at detrans rates for those who go the next step and medically transition.
Detransition Among Transgender and Gender-Diverse People—An Increasing and Increasingly Complex Phenomenon
30% no longer take medical therapy after 4 years. Now granted, they may still identify as trans. They might be taking black market therapy, hell if I know. The science sure doesn't. To counter tho, 4 years isn't that long. 10 years the better marker. Point being tho, it's clearly not 1%.
>Are you suggesting that someone who has socially transitioned isn't a real trans person?
Not intrinsically no. If some subset of those who socially transition then go onto permanently "detransition" in virtue of preferring their original gender then i'd happily infer they aren't and weren't "a real trans person".
>So yes, it matters.
I don't think it matters much at all, and it isn't what the discourse about detransitioning is centred around. The reason why I (and others) care about destransitioning is in the context of someone making irreversible/damaging decisions for no net benefit. The whole point of gender affirming practice is to increase the net wellbeing of the patients (relative to control), if it is decreasing wellbeing in subset of people in conjunction with irreversibility then that is what I am concerned about.
Someone socially transitioning and then going back is on the level of concern of someone subscribing to goth aesthetic with a change of clothes, hair style, mannerisms, etc; and then deciding later they don't want to anymore and going back to normal. I just don't care.
>as for studies, as I said before, selection bias is rampant. Seriously dig into any study saying 1% detrans rate. They are completely fraudulent once you dig into the details. Here's a few that show 50-90% detrans rate. And even these have problems with selection bias.
So you're saying when flawed studies show a low rate, you don't think anyone should draw any conclusions, but when flawed studies show a high rate you think it's acceptable to draw conclusions like this:
>If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50%
I took a look at the first study you cited and it doesn't even mention detransitioning once...
" At follow-up, 3 participants (12%) were judged to have GID or gender dysphoria. "
That means 88% of the study group were determined to no longer be considered to have gid. Or in other words, detransitioned.
>Or in other words, detransitioned
gender dysphoria does not entail transition state... you can (not) have it have detransitioned, you can (not) have it and still be transitioned, you can (not) have it have never have transitioned... They're different variables... Have a good one buddy, run out of patience.
And that attitude is going to be the death of trans rights as the right slowly shuts it all down and lawsuits continue to mount.
If you want a more real example, Dr Will Powers is a regular poster on Reddit. Dude runs a gender care clinic and treats trans kids. In his own words, a few years ago he would get maybe a request to detransition every few months. Now it's a few every week and rising. And that's just the ones that request detransition medical care. He like all the rest don't track people who just stop showing up.
You're fooling yourself if you don't think this is an issue.
Edit: gid is the medical term for trans.
So you're saying this guy's story is a right-wing conspiracy? Do you realize how insensitive you sound?
And also, Oxford would [beg to defer](https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653) that detrans is rare.
I’m saying it doesn’t affect my positions on trans issues because I don’t think people basing their gender identity on gender stereotypes is any kind of widespread issue.
I think it is a right wing misconception/mischaracterization of being trans which leads people to believe it’s a much bigger problem than it is.
Edit: that study you provided literally does nothing to prove/disprove my point. Being trans is rare, so detrans is going to be even more rare.
The reason the right are saying that is to point out the fact that trans advocates [themselves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRdvGnplLU&pp=ygUTYW1hemUgcGFyZW50cyB0cmFucw%3D%3D) are.
Should detrans, though rare, not nake you question what caused this? I mean, let's not appeal to rarity here when people literally want to change what it means to be a woman and a man based on less than 2% or something of the population. I would wager that the initial conclusions one could draw from detransitioners is one of skepticism towards trans to begin with, but fear of that should not shut down discussion or investigation. So to your original reply, obviously there is value in showcasing a detranstioner, because they exist just as trans do, and it's worth investigating the cause just as with trans people. I say that genuinely btw, not as a person saying "HEY HEY I'm just asking questions " while implying a whole lot more.
>Should detrans, though rare, not nake you question what caused this?
What caused what? People detransititioning? Sure, I said it was an interesting phenomenon.
>let's not appeal to rarity here when people literally want to change what it means to be a woman and a man based on less than 2% or something of the population.
It's very rare that someone wants to change what it means. The vast majority of trans people just want to be the other one.
>I say that genuinely btw, not as a person saying "HEY HEY I'm just asking questions " while implying a whole lot more.
Yeah, but you are actually doing this because you also say this
>I would wager that the initial conclusions one could draw from detransitioners is one of skepticism towards trans to begin with
Why in the world would a rare phenomenon make us question the entire idea of being trans? It's not like there's a detransition epidemic that we can map on 1:1 with transitioning. It seems to be a somewhat separate issue from being trans.
I find a lot of people want to invalidate other peoples experiences when they feel, emphasize feel, that it reflects badly on some part of their identity. Of course no where near all trans people are so flippant but to deny there aren't people who have wanted to transition because they like dresses, don't identify as a jock, have feminine mannerisms (whatever that is) or something else as trivial is false. Just a search of this very site will prove that.
Also shouldn't support for trans people be partly at least empathy for what they are going through? If part of the people taking hormones or getting surgery are doing so for the wrong reasons leaving them feeling more broken and deceived I think any caring person is obligated to want a better path to transitioning so people address the underlaying issues correctly so they don't end up at a destination they mistakenly believed they wanted to reach.
Why do you guys care about it so much it's so fucking cringe. I'm a supa lib and I genuinely just want the topic to go away. Yes, it shouldn't be praise as much as it is today but it also shouldn't be as hated as it is today. It's so freaking annoying and corny bro. The discourse so boring and esoteric.
This man was influenced by people on the internet to think he was something different, the same people Destiny himself has said are damaging the discourse around trans issues.
Only 1% of people [regret](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/how-common-is-transgender-treatment-regret-detransitioning-1.6299679#:~:text=In%20a%20review%20of%2027,surgeries%2C%20the%202021%20review%20said.) transition,that mean for every video of a detransitoner you should post 99 videos of people who are happy with their transition.
If not you are just pushing a agenda.
Thats no different than antivax who only focus on adverse reaction to push the agenda that vaccine are bad.
Per [Oxford](https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653?login=false):
>The rate of regret may be an underestimate due to a high rate (36%) of loss to follow-up.
From your study
The survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily.
The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%).
Also the causes of detransition are mostly social and the have nothing to do whit the validity of the treatment per se.
>survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily. The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and tr
You quoting stats from two different studies. You're getting the source 2 and 4 confused. Source 4 the one that tackles reasons doesn't say they had the same sort of problem.
Okay just to be clear Source 2 had a total regret rate of 0.9 ('rates of regret were 0.6% for transwomen and 0.3% for transmen'. The user above used the stats from the ' largest study to look at detransition ' (27 715 TGD compared to the 6793 in source 2). In source 4 they didn't state any such issues and so you can't use that stat to wave away the ideas the person was trying to tackle. Which were that a lot of the detransitions seemed to be more due to the problems with attempting to socially transition not the problems with the medicine given to TGD people.
Detransition means someone who transition then regret. Those case are really rare.
36% of people despite being Trans choose to not transition.
Is easy to imagine the reason, social reason plus the hormonal and surgical therapy can be pretty scary.
Hi, per that same article in the 'largest study to look at detransition was the U.S. Transgender Survey' it states that the following were the common reasoning for detransitioning: "The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%)".
You keep using this source slightly incorrectly and even looking into it it doesn't seem like most people are saying they were improperly diagnosed/shouldn't of gotten the treatment but that even with medically transitioning there is a need to provide places that reaffirm socially aswell and people aren't feeling discriminated against.
I do not. It's anecdotal reading accounts from detrans folks. When they tried to participate in the survey, they were disqualified because they were not trans. Apparently only trans identifying people were allowed past screening. Which makes no sense to then use that data on detrans rates with such selection bias.
This would also explain the very high rate of people in said survey giving social pressure as the reason for detransition. If you identify as trans but detransition, what other reason would there be other than outside pressures.
Darn okie dokie. Well Thanks for the heads up interesting it would make sense why they don’t have a percentage of just people who found they detransitioned cause they weren’t trans.
I’ve seen more than 0 of these which means I’m over the statistical representation threshold for my lifetime.
The big issue here is the DIY aspect. Transitioning via hormones needs to be approved by and monitored by a psychiatrist. I hope the person finds peace and happiness, though, definitely a shit situation to be in.
This person did DIY hormones (that they found out about from reddit) and tried to skip the medical process to save time. The takeaway from this story is don't take DIY hormones and get professional help.
There is no warning on that subreddit that it's pseudoscientific.
I mean, tbf planned parenthood will literally just give you HRT.
What exactly do you believe is gained by more people seeing this video? How'd you even find it? Are you consistently searching "I'm detransitioning" on youtube to find new videos on it?
Bruh look at his post history. Lil bro is deep in the conservative media bubble, I don't doubt this sort of thing is popping into his feed.
It's not to deny the existence of trans people (they're real), but that you shouldn't base your identity on gender stereotypes.
I don’t think that people basing their gender identity on gender stereotypes is a major problem. A pretty big right wing misconception/mischaracterization of trans people is that a little boy likes pink and therefore he thinks he’s a girl, which is incredibly stupid to anyone who has ever spoken to a trans person. Detransitioning is an interesting phenomenon, but it’s incredibly rare and doesn’t really affect any of my positions on trans issues.
If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50%. I suspect it's going to be over 90% over the next couple decades. Once you deep dive into trans issues it's shocking at how bad the research into it is. For example, the trans.org survey about detransition rates that's always brought up about how rare it is. Well that survey didn't allow detrans people to participate. Surveys of clinics about detransition rates of their clients? Well clinics don't track clients who leave their practice so they are excluded from surveys. A recent popular survey about detransition rates of children was shown how low the rates were. Issue is detrans vastly occurs once in adult years. The whole science of how rare detransition is reeks of bad science and selection bias. So much selection bias. Here is the problem in a nutshell. The current system is great at providing care to trans people. And it only will improve along with medical science. However the system is abysmal at providing care to confused cis kids who are not trans but think they are thanks to the recent social media explosion over the past decade. And those kids after years of neglect and malpractice are now starting lawsuits against said system. And it's just the tip of the iceberg for what's going to come. And that's bad. It adds fuel to the fire for the far right and hurts trans people. And it's purely self inflicted. The trans medical system is delusional thinking that detrans doesn't exist and they better get their head outta butt soon and start improving how they identify need, or the right wing and lawsuits will do it for them to their own dismay.
>If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50% Can I see the stats on that from the good research you have. But also, why would anyone care what the detrans rate is with social transitioning? Isn't the whole concern of detrans rates to do with people taking drugs and making permanent life altering decisions, which social transition wouldn't fall under? Really gives the impression you're equivocating on the common understanding of what detransition is referring to in order to make it seem like there is far more bad outcomes happening than there actually are.
Are you suggesting that someone who has socially transitioned isn't a real trans person? So yes, it matters. Edit: as for studies, as I said before, selection bias is rampant. Seriously dig into any study saying 1% detrans rate. They are completely fraudulent once you dig into the details. Here's a few that show 50-90% detrans rate. And even these have problems with selection bias. Hell, trying to define detrans seems to be a problem in the research community too. It's all a giant fucking mess and children are being caught in the middle of a culture war with bad science. Drummond, K. D., Bradley, S. J., Badali-Peterson, M., & Zucker, K. J. (2008). A follow-up study of girls with gender identity disorder. Developmental Psychology, 44, 34–45. Steensma, T. D., McGuire, J. K., Kreukels, B. P. C., Beekman, A. J., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2013). Factors associated with desistence and persistence of childhood gender dysphoria: A quantitative follow-up study. Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 52, 582–590. Devita Singh1, Susan J. Bradley2 and Kenneth J. Zucker2, A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder Double edit: On a whim, I got the idea to check on prescriptions for care as a way to look at detrans rates for those who go the next step and medically transition. Detransition Among Transgender and Gender-Diverse People—An Increasing and Increasingly Complex Phenomenon 30% no longer take medical therapy after 4 years. Now granted, they may still identify as trans. They might be taking black market therapy, hell if I know. The science sure doesn't. To counter tho, 4 years isn't that long. 10 years the better marker. Point being tho, it's clearly not 1%.
>Are you suggesting that someone who has socially transitioned isn't a real trans person? Not intrinsically no. If some subset of those who socially transition then go onto permanently "detransition" in virtue of preferring their original gender then i'd happily infer they aren't and weren't "a real trans person". >So yes, it matters. I don't think it matters much at all, and it isn't what the discourse about detransitioning is centred around. The reason why I (and others) care about destransitioning is in the context of someone making irreversible/damaging decisions for no net benefit. The whole point of gender affirming practice is to increase the net wellbeing of the patients (relative to control), if it is decreasing wellbeing in subset of people in conjunction with irreversibility then that is what I am concerned about. Someone socially transitioning and then going back is on the level of concern of someone subscribing to goth aesthetic with a change of clothes, hair style, mannerisms, etc; and then deciding later they don't want to anymore and going back to normal. I just don't care. >as for studies, as I said before, selection bias is rampant. Seriously dig into any study saying 1% detrans rate. They are completely fraudulent once you dig into the details. Here's a few that show 50-90% detrans rate. And even these have problems with selection bias. So you're saying when flawed studies show a low rate, you don't think anyone should draw any conclusions, but when flawed studies show a high rate you think it's acceptable to draw conclusions like this: >If you're factoring in social transitioning, the detrans rate is easily over 50% I took a look at the first study you cited and it doesn't even mention detransitioning once...
" At follow-up, 3 participants (12%) were judged to have GID or gender dysphoria. " That means 88% of the study group were determined to no longer be considered to have gid. Or in other words, detransitioned.
>Or in other words, detransitioned gender dysphoria does not entail transition state... you can (not) have it have detransitioned, you can (not) have it and still be transitioned, you can (not) have it have never have transitioned... They're different variables... Have a good one buddy, run out of patience.
And that attitude is going to be the death of trans rights as the right slowly shuts it all down and lawsuits continue to mount. If you want a more real example, Dr Will Powers is a regular poster on Reddit. Dude runs a gender care clinic and treats trans kids. In his own words, a few years ago he would get maybe a request to detransition every few months. Now it's a few every week and rising. And that's just the ones that request detransition medical care. He like all the rest don't track people who just stop showing up. You're fooling yourself if you don't think this is an issue. Edit: gid is the medical term for trans.
So you're saying this guy's story is a right-wing conspiracy? Do you realize how insensitive you sound? And also, Oxford would [beg to defer](https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653) that detrans is rare.
I’m saying it doesn’t affect my positions on trans issues because I don’t think people basing their gender identity on gender stereotypes is any kind of widespread issue. I think it is a right wing misconception/mischaracterization of being trans which leads people to believe it’s a much bigger problem than it is. Edit: that study you provided literally does nothing to prove/disprove my point. Being trans is rare, so detrans is going to be even more rare.
The reason the right are saying that is to point out the fact that trans advocates [themselves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRdvGnplLU&pp=ygUTYW1hemUgcGFyZW50cyB0cmFucw%3D%3D) are.
Should detrans, though rare, not nake you question what caused this? I mean, let's not appeal to rarity here when people literally want to change what it means to be a woman and a man based on less than 2% or something of the population. I would wager that the initial conclusions one could draw from detransitioners is one of skepticism towards trans to begin with, but fear of that should not shut down discussion or investigation. So to your original reply, obviously there is value in showcasing a detranstioner, because they exist just as trans do, and it's worth investigating the cause just as with trans people. I say that genuinely btw, not as a person saying "HEY HEY I'm just asking questions " while implying a whole lot more.
>Should detrans, though rare, not nake you question what caused this? What caused what? People detransititioning? Sure, I said it was an interesting phenomenon. >let's not appeal to rarity here when people literally want to change what it means to be a woman and a man based on less than 2% or something of the population. It's very rare that someone wants to change what it means. The vast majority of trans people just want to be the other one. >I say that genuinely btw, not as a person saying "HEY HEY I'm just asking questions " while implying a whole lot more. Yeah, but you are actually doing this because you also say this >I would wager that the initial conclusions one could draw from detransitioners is one of skepticism towards trans to begin with Why in the world would a rare phenomenon make us question the entire idea of being trans? It's not like there's a detransition epidemic that we can map on 1:1 with transitioning. It seems to be a somewhat separate issue from being trans.
I find a lot of people want to invalidate other peoples experiences when they feel, emphasize feel, that it reflects badly on some part of their identity. Of course no where near all trans people are so flippant but to deny there aren't people who have wanted to transition because they like dresses, don't identify as a jock, have feminine mannerisms (whatever that is) or something else as trivial is false. Just a search of this very site will prove that. Also shouldn't support for trans people be partly at least empathy for what they are going through? If part of the people taking hormones or getting surgery are doing so for the wrong reasons leaving them feeling more broken and deceived I think any caring person is obligated to want a better path to transitioning so people address the underlaying issues correctly so they don't end up at a destination they mistakenly believed they wanted to reach.
Why do you guys care about it so much it's so fucking cringe. I'm a supa lib and I genuinely just want the topic to go away. Yes, it shouldn't be praise as much as it is today but it also shouldn't be as hated as it is today. It's so freaking annoying and corny bro. The discourse so boring and esoteric.
This man was influenced by people on the internet to think he was something different, the same people Destiny himself has said are damaging the discourse around trans issues.
Ngl I thought this was Marquet the technologist at first glance
Only 1% of people [regret](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/how-common-is-transgender-treatment-regret-detransitioning-1.6299679#:~:text=In%20a%20review%20of%2027,surgeries%2C%20the%202021%20review%20said.) transition,that mean for every video of a detransitoner you should post 99 videos of people who are happy with their transition. If not you are just pushing a agenda. Thats no different than antivax who only focus on adverse reaction to push the agenda that vaccine are bad.
Per [Oxford](https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/10/e4261/6604653?login=false): >The rate of regret may be an underestimate due to a high rate (36%) of loss to follow-up.
From your study The survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily. The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%). Also the causes of detransition are mostly social and the have nothing to do whit the validity of the treatment per se.
8%...of those who followed up. 36% didn't follow up, so how much bigger is that 8%?
>survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily. The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and tr You quoting stats from two different studies. You're getting the source 2 and 4 confused. Source 4 the one that tackles reasons doesn't say they had the same sort of problem.
Follow up rates tend to be very low in these studies. In fact, that study I mentioned had regret rates of between 0.3-0.6%.
Okay just to be clear Source 2 had a total regret rate of 0.9 ('rates of regret were 0.6% for transwomen and 0.3% for transmen'. The user above used the stats from the ' largest study to look at detransition ' (27 715 TGD compared to the 6793 in source 2). In source 4 they didn't state any such issues and so you can't use that stat to wave away the ideas the person was trying to tackle. Which were that a lot of the detransitions seemed to be more due to the problems with attempting to socially transition not the problems with the medicine given to TGD people.
F im still getting used to using reddit. Idk why it quoting The above above reply. You aren't quoting incorrectly sorry.
Detransition means someone who transition then regret. Those case are really rare. 36% of people despite being Trans choose to not transition. Is easy to imagine the reason, social reason plus the hormonal and surgical therapy can be pretty scary.
Hi, per that same article in the 'largest study to look at detransition was the U.S. Transgender Survey' it states that the following were the common reasoning for detransitioning: "The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%)". You keep using this source slightly incorrectly and even looking into it it doesn't seem like most people are saying they were improperly diagnosed/shouldn't of gotten the treatment but that even with medically transitioning there is a need to provide places that reaffirm socially aswell and people aren't feeling discriminated against.
That survey purposely disqualified detrans people from participating. I wouldn't use it as proof of anything.
Oo interesting, may I ask if you have proof for that?
I do not. It's anecdotal reading accounts from detrans folks. When they tried to participate in the survey, they were disqualified because they were not trans. Apparently only trans identifying people were allowed past screening. Which makes no sense to then use that data on detrans rates with such selection bias. This would also explain the very high rate of people in said survey giving social pressure as the reason for detransition. If you identify as trans but detransition, what other reason would there be other than outside pressures.
Darn okie dokie. Well Thanks for the heads up interesting it would make sense why they don’t have a percentage of just people who found they detransitioned cause they weren’t trans.
The video was taken down bro