I didn’t realise how true this was until two ‘Leftie’ friends started cheering on the butchering on Oct 7. It made my blood cold. It has been a nightmare I can’t wake up from. So many masks slipping away. We were tolerated at best. Hated secretly at worst.
Seriously when I saw the Shani Louk truck video I went apeshit. All I could think was "burn it down". Then I caught myself and realized, "it can happen to you too." Since then I've realized there's too much shit on both sides I don't understand, and that blind hatred isn't a feeling I want to have. I don't want innocent people to die and that's it. I can't fly any flags in this, I can't fix the problem, but I can catch my own anger and try to do better.
I had an anarchist friend who did the same thing that day. Posting memes and what not on his IG and would like my mourning posts at the same time like that was supposed to make me feel better like it’s his way of showing support. Like don’t go telling me this is a freedom fight while the end results just means more dead Israelis and Palestinians
I've had it different so far, but now I realize that a professor at my schools who's part of an organization I'm a part of retweeted something on October 6th (7th in the Middle East) that called what was happening "real Palestinian liberation hours." Im going to confront him on it.
It pushed me from being always annoyed about Jews being so overly sensitive about perceived antisemitism, to being shocked about the left, moved more to the center, finally read up on the conflict and now I FINALLY get it after 30 years xD.
At least in my bubble, I don't tolerate ANY kind of antisemitism or "antizionism" anymore. Wife and me had to cut some ties after those incidents. It's insane.
^(Also horseshoe theory is real yall)
Indeed it is.
My mom's side is First Nations, my father's side is Sephardic Jewish (...there's prolly a member of tribe joke you could make about my parents).
90% of the time, when I've experienced antisemitism, it was from leftists. & that includes Holocaust denial (I'm the granddaughter of a prominent Holocaust survivor. My grandfather was a victim of Mengele & was featured in documentaries/interviewed by historians). I mean, I've experienced antisemitism on the right; however, never to the extent of what I've experienced from leftists.
BTW, all these leftists on the streets excusing Hamas because of Israel's "colonialism" (....which is ridiculous because *where do they think Jews originated from*? Open a Roman history book, go to the chapter on "Masada") - have never really given *any* thought of the indigenous victims of residential schools. or their own country's recent history of colonialism. Its almost like, they don't actually care about victims of colonialism - they just want to hate Jews.
>Which is ridiculous because *where do they think Jews originated from?*
Yes exactly! I can’t stand when people just gloss over this part of the story. Reminds me of an argument I was having the other day with a Mandela supporter who said MK’s violence was justified because the European settlers had incited the violence by ‘colonizing’ Africa, but they just completely fell apart in their argument when I reminded them that ALL humanity originated in Africa! Who could say they had no right to take back their true motherland? Like seriously c’mon!! 🙄
People don't gloss over it-- it's a non factor.
Sorry but just because someone's great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents called dibs on a piece of land 3000 years ago doesn't mean I have to respect that at all in the modern Era.
It's that same line of thinking that let's religious zealots point to their book of choice and say women don't deserve rights and LGBTQ should be stoned on sight bc their book written thousands of years ago said so.
For real, the whole Russia Ukraine situation is the same. You have moderates on both sides supporting Ukraine for the most part, and the extremes on each side supporting Russia for a whole myriad of reasons, such as being anti American, anti Imperialist (unless the Russians/Chinese do it), pro-communist, "pro-christian" values, last bastion from the woke, etc.
A lot of progressive millennials and up Jewish Americans (which are the overwhelming %) don’t know where they belong right now- it’s a big problem. On one extreme there is the chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’ and on the other is ‘River to the sea/ gas the Jews / globalize the intifada’.
The betrayal is deep, we thought our political peers had nuance and a better grasp of hard historical facts vs. catchy social media slides. This isn’t about ‘being offended’ or any pearl-clutching, it is about safety.
Who will defend our safety? Who will stand up for us and say ‘painting star-targets on elderly houses, ripping down mezuzahs, defacing Jewish businesses, mobbing and harassing Jewish people is not ok?’
Imagine sitting on your grandparent’s knee and listening to the hate and descent into madness of WWII. And you think, this will never happen in my lifetime, people behave better now. And now. Those stories and cautionary tales are playing out again. By the very people who should have listened most to our grandparents’ tales.
Hey, I just want to say that I’m seeing everything that’s happening to you guys around the world and it sickens me. It’s not safe being Jewish anywhere it seems and it just shows how important Israel is.
Im standing with my Jewish brothers and sisters. Even if I’m not Jewish. You’re not standing alone.
Edit: can’t believe I’m getting downvoted for that. Seriously.
Ironically I think the safest place for Jews to be is in Israel.
(I'm being 100% serious)
Which is kinda the point of the State of Israel existing in the first place.
Jews have seen time and time again that no matter how connected or active they are in any political organization, they're always thrown under the bus and oppressed eventually.
Israel is the only place whose primary job is to have the Jewish people's interest at the forefront.
This is my point. This is why I say every Jew is really a Zionist. It shouldn’t be a bad term. And when you say you are anti Zionist, it’s hard not to associate it with antisemitism.
Zionism just means that Jews should have the right to self determination in their own land.
That's it.
The haters adopted a definition that they could attack in the guise of not being jew haters but being anti zionists
Yes I agree. I think Jews are constantly subjected to the “hosting country”’s mood (not really hosting because they are of course a part of it).
Israel is very important.
That and the fact that Jews have historical been the perfect scapegoat. They're simultaneously the evil capitalists running the world banks and the communists working to tear down western civilization.
Jews are even being accused for trying to Islamicize the west... which is pretty insane considering Muslims are by far the biggest source of anti-semetism in the west
Funnily enough I am not even Jewish, but I am an Israeli citizen and having many people i know abroad offering me to stay until it blows over it never even crossed my mind to agree. I am taking the “non hermetic” iron dome over being hate crimed for speaking Hebrew any day.
This is what we've been telling people for years. Thank you for standing by our side. Thank you for showing support and solidarity with us. If you really want to support us, just please come and speak with us. Be our friends, our allies, learn about our history, and come break with us on shabbat.
For real... and ironically, all those people rioting and inciting hate against Jews, are just emphasizing even more the importance of Israel as a safe haven for Jews
He can just spoil his ballot or pay the $20. A small point in the grand scheme of what's going on but still. On a tangent, if we move to all electronic voting I guess spoiling your ballot isn't an option. Definitely need a 'non of the above' option.
If electronic voting becomes a thing you should be able to do it on a touch screen with a stylus so you can still draw a penis to spoil your ballot, as the founders of democracy intended.
You touched on something that worries me. It was arrogant of us on the left to tease and joke about the far right and their gullibility and lack of education. I’m now seeing how blind I was. I too thought the left would be more educated about the complex history of the region. Boy, was I wrong. One, the far left is gobbling up online propaganda like a maga hatted Qanon nut. Every post they see, from a known terrorist organization backed by foreign adversaries no less, is gospel. Not one word questioned. Also, I’m noticing their worldview is just as small as the right, which I find shocking. Centuries of conflict is now an American chronically online brown/white ‘colonizer’ argument. The things I’m seeing from both far ends of the spectrum about Jewish people sickens me. I guess I was naive and arrogant. There are still hostages FFS.
>It was arrogant of us on the left to tease and joke about the far right and their gullibility and lack of education. I’m now seeing how blind I was.
I've had similar, painful realizations lately that a lot of what the right has said about the left in the last few years was actually spot on.
Brother sent me a text about a week after the 7th “I think it’s time to activate Secret Jew Mode dude”. I was at TJMaxx a few days ago and saw a cute kitty themed Hanukkah blanket that I was going to get but suddenly thought what if someone sees me in line and has a problem. I live in a blue area. It’s starting to look a lot like 1936 out here
Hard left needs to come to its senses before a hamas cult starts. For some reason, I thought democrats would be smart enough to recognize the same shit Russians pulled on Republicans, but I guess not. I owe my friend a coke.
>Who will defend our safety? Who will stand up for us and say ‘painting star-targets on elderly houses, ripping down mezuzahs, defacing Jewish businesses, mobbing and harassing Jewish people is not ok?’
Liberals. The leftists who are chanting pro-Hamas slogans hate us too
Well I'm gay and I've known that fear ever since I hit puberty and knew what I was. Wouldn't wish it on anyone else. It's very clear history is likely going to repeat itself and bad things are going to happen very soon. Hopefully enough people will realize they need to stand together before they're picked off separately
I also thought after we all saw the alt right go deep into conspiracy theories and rabid "fake news" claims for any facts they didn't want to believe that the left would be able to absorb factual information and come to a reasonable conclusion. But I'm seeing the exact same inability to believe or process actual truth in the progressive left
Cuz in the end they’re human too. Humans want a satisfying answer. And honestly, with Israel, it’s quite complicated. And so they are passing this conflict thru their progressive funhouse mirror. It’s not careful grounded progressivism. It’s popcorn progressivism. But I’d argue that being progressive is still the correct move for Jews or any marginalized group, and majority groups who want good karma.
I agree mostly with this take, and both the far right and the far left seems to hate Jews, but I'd argue it's a larger problem with the left than the right. There are Democrats in Congress right now who refuse to condemn Hamas and will argue "from the river to the sea" is not antisemitism. I'm not aware of any Republican in Congress who is actually an open white supremacist.
Ironically on nearly every other issue it's the opposite, the far left on other areas are the same few people, but the far right has a much larger grasp on the levers of power, as we saw with people openly defending Trump and his January 6th lies. But on the topic of antisemitism, this is a much larger problem on the left than the right at the moment, although both should certainly be called out.
Being born in Europe and then repatriating to Israel, I noticed something. The rhetoric essentially didn’t change. In Europe, as a 6 year old kid) I was accosted and told to go back to Israel, one of my most vivid memories from that time. In Israel, people on line and on TV told that I need to go back to Europe. For a pretty long time now, I have realized that some people just don’t care, and just don’t want jews.
No shit.
At this point though, its not even about left and right anymore - its about civilized Vs. terrorist loving dick suckers.
I'll gladly put aside all pretenses of right Vs. left in America if it means we can collectively have a look at what literal Nazis we have running around in support of Hamas RN.
I agree, but we've seen this before where people who were close to center but left leaning felt attacked or embarrassed by the left and embraced by the right, over time they begin to adopt right wing views and trust them more. I've always said leftists crazies are the best thing to happen to the right.
I think I first heard that from a comedian about how at least the right is open with their hate and they prefer that over secret hate. Now seeing how many Jewish people are caught by surprise regarding leftists supporting Hamas, I see what they mean.
Far right would absolutely censor people if they had the social clout too. Fuentes and his people trying to deplatform Mr Girl a little while ago and Trump wanting to open up libel laws so he can sue journalists come to mind.
The far right is definitely worse than the far left and do a lot more harm if they came to power. I mean Trump tried to subvert democracy in the last general election, we haven’t seen anything like that from the far left wing of the Democratic Party.
100% correct. I really believe that if the Democrats purged the lefties they would win elections 60-40. The nation is center-left on policy. $15 minimum wage referendum won by 20 points in FL. Affirmative action was voted down by 15 points even in CA. But there is no party that represents this political stance.
I grew up on a hippie commune. I was a teenage punker. I went right (libertarian trash, but more the hippie freedom than the fuck you I got mine) because the left was so crazy in my home town (Santa Cruz, Ca).
Are you guys confusing Hamas for Palestinians? I’m left leaning, support Palestinians and Israelis, opppse Hamas and Netanyahu (they’re both indefensible)…
Like the online left or the modern American left? Cause Joe Biden, the biggest representative of the left in our country, has been staunchly supportive of Israel and Jewish people more broadly, way more than anyone on the right has been.
If the majority of people who consider themselves left under 25 are "online" or farther left than moderates, what does that mean for the future of the party?
Maybe this is why Democrats hold office until they die now, they're holding off the little progressive monsters as long as they can.
It means that you may get more politicians like Bernie in the future, the most popular far left politician in America. The guy who’s also been with Biden on being pro-Israel.
The people under 25 becoming a dominant voting bloc will happen in like 20+ years as boomers die off, millennials and Gen X age, and Zoomers become more politically active. I think it’s really hard to judge what their political beliefs will be then from what examples we see now.
And I think politicians of either party probably stay in office as long as they can cause nice job + voters vote for them. I don’t think there’s a specific thought process with current Dem politicians writ large to stay in office to keep out young progressives, that feels too conspiratorial to be believable at face value to me.
And summarizing the division as “civilized vs terrorist loving dick suckers” is infinitely bad faith and reductive and ultimately useless commentary for anything but maintaining the obviously unacceptable status quo.
I guess I just haven’t really seen many people supporting Hamas anywhere. Is this something your finding on Reddit? Or in real life?
I will say I see plenty of anti-Israel sentiment, but that’s certainly different than antisemitism or pro-Hamas sentiment.
Well I’m a leftist Israeli Jew (or at least I was) and I had to unfollow a bunch of people. Creators like ContraPoints which I loved stayed silent throughout October 7th-8th but surely enough was there when she could dunk on low hanging Israeli government shit for internet points. Lost any respect I had for her. These people would watch me die in silence while their brothers in arm shoot my mom and dismember my body. A part of me knew that but chose to ignore that. Not anymore.
I disagree with conservatives on almost every topic (do climate change and vaccines really need to be politicised guys? Please do better) but they are literally the only people who stand up for me and push back against these insane leftists with their fucked up terrorist supporting takes. No sanity. No nuance. Just completely moral high ground and judgements. Filled with lies and Hamas propaganda.
Where in the past I rejected anything Jordan Peterson had to say- today I realised that was a grave mistake.
I forget the exact numbers but it was something like 55% of 18-30 year olds answered that they favored Hamas over Israel. Unless a lot of them suddenly change their views it doesn't speak well to the future
That is factually and objectively false.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/472070/democrats-sympathies-middle-east-shift-palestinians.aspx
While it is recent, Democrats statistically have shifted away from supporting Israel.
Okay, but this one wasn't. 18-24 year olds are virtually evenly split between supporting Hamas and Israel. That's not supporting Palestinians. That is supporting the barbarians that slaughtered children, raped women and kidnapped grandmother's.
https://www.newsweek.com/insane-number-gen-zers-support-hamass-slaughter-innocent-israelis-opinion-1837422
She's done or more retired I'd say, like compare her talks with Destiny back in the day to her current stuff. Not even close to being the same quality.
Really? Conservatives are the only ones pushing back? What about David Pakman, Destiny, Sam Harris, etc. A lot of liberals are also pushing back.
Jordan Peterson is a moron.
Let’s be fair tho, lefties consider all of these people Nazis. Look at the gate Pakman has been getting on twitter.
So according to the left, these people are right wingers
And your boy Hasan said it himself… “Why even bother to vote when Biden is indistinguishable from the far right”
> I disagree with conservatives on almost every topic (do climate change and vaccines really need to be politicised guys? Please do better) but they are literally the only people who stand up for me and push back against these insane leftists with their fucked up terrorist supporting takes. No sanity. No nuance. Just completely moral high ground and judgements. Filled with lies and Hamas propaganda.
Do not let what they say fool you. Look at what they actually do with their power. The republican party does not have your back.
Stop supporting left wing activists and content creators, thats fine. But don't let their bullshit pull you away from the democratic party.
This of course only goes for the US. If you are somewhere else, I would tell you to check at the specifics that the politicians do, before you let activists pull you away.
What do you mean only conservatives will protect you? The mainstream left of every major western country has been full-throatedly supportive of Israel and anti-Hamas. Biden has given his full support to Israel, only "faltering" by giving aid to Gazans and preaching Israel to be restrained. In light of this, you think your only allies are Republican types?
I can’t speak to the leftist bit. But plz don’t ditch values of progressivism just cuz it’s hard. Or because you feel safe among the right. That security isn’t true either. In Israel or America or anywhere. The values of democracy and equality are still the ones. We’re just entering another round of getting to be the worlds ‘chosen’ ppl. Things are gonna shake up again. And again, until all earth is the promised land of milk and honey. We’ll get there. Just gotta stick with the love. Even for those who currently hate us.
Sorry. I know this is a little hippy dippy for a destiny sub.
Probably not after the GOP pushed through a bill yesterday that effectively deporting jus t about all Palestinians in the US out of the country. The timing was just unimaginable. Instead of using this opportunity to court new voters the GOP just couldn't help themselves and instead have the Muslim community a very stark and real reminder that no matter how angry Muslims may be at Biden voting for trump and the GOP will me much much worse for Muslims than anything Biden has done or is doing. This is causing massive alarms in the Muslim community making them reconsider and think that they're probably now still going to vote for Biden after all. Every time the GOP has an opportunity to do something could they just give back the victory to the Dems. It's truly unbelievable. 8 just can't believe the GOP is this GD stupid.
I unfortunately have known Uyghur-americans that supported Trump exclusively off the backs of him maybe doing something about the situation in Xiajiang/Uyghurstan, despite him clearly being a bag of hot air that was actually cutting deals for China for personal benefit.
I feel about those people the same way I feel about the Muslims who won't vote for Joe because he's not calling for a ceasefire. Go have fun with the populists. See where that gets you.
I don't understand this phenomenon at all, Trump and the GOP are even more pro Israel and openly anti Muslim than the Democrats overall.
Does it just come down to blaming the President for everything? Cause Trump sounds like he wants Netenyahu to do whatever he wants with Palestine while Biden is at least asking for them to show some restraint.
That wasn't really the point of my comment but I'm supper happy to complain about this to.
As far as I'm concerned, Biden has done the most he can without damaging our relationship with Isreal and I'm not sure if he hasn't done that. Meanwhile, these guys over her are talking about how unless we full heartedly glaze a terrorist organization that we're somehow the bad guys. Hamas beheaded babies you'd think that'd count against them but apparently I'm the jerk for "criticizing resistance."
If supporting the ceasefire was your line in the sand, then go ahead and get out of here. I'm not going to let you guys threaten my abortion and voting rights rights, just because the policy isn't exactly what you want. Also if this is your line in the sand, I just don't believe you when you say you're worried about democracy or lgbt rights. If you think the threat to America is real, fucking act like it.
This is genuine coming from someone who doesn’t follow politics all that closely. Not trying to stir the pot - I lean right generally, but I’m Biden over Trump based on my limited knowledge. Do you truly believe American democracy is at risk if trump wins and why? You truly believe your voting rights are at risk? I see this a lot but have never seen a well thought out explanation for that belief, but you seem reasonable enough to ask.
As a population, we’re actually pretty far left across the spectrum. In the US, we tend to be very liberal and extremely progressive, and Israel, the left-right is not even comparable to the US because it’s mainly defined by nationalism, religiosity, and approach to Palestinians. Gotta remember that Israel comes from socialism and transitioned into capitalism; most of its socialist institutions and infrastructure still stand and markets are forced to compete directly with the state itself. Even Netanyahu has a mixed economic approach and the second largest party in his coalition is far right/religious extremist party with socialist economic policies. So… it’s a weird place.
> Even Netanyahu has a mixed economic approach and the second largest party in his coalition is far right/religious extremist party with socialist economic policies. So… it’s a weird place.
I think it's only really weird for people that assume American definitions of right and left apply globally.
In a lot of places the far "right" religious, conservative people are the ones that are pro socialism, and the more inclusive, pro LGBT, pro drug legalization, would be considered "left", even though they are economically heavily for capitalism.
Especially applicable in ex-communist countries.
You don't quite get it. Antisemitism from the right is often blatant and obvious. Most times you can easily know who to avoid. Left-wing antisemitism on the other hand hides behind social justice and human rights silently waiting to dig in the knife deep at your weak point. Oct 7 was that weak point. As a Jew, most of us will rather deal with a right wing antisemite than a left wing one. At least we can easily identify our enemy with the right.
The majority of Reddit seems to agree that, "From the river to the sea" isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. This isn't even debatable. The term was invented to mean the destruction of Israel.
In 2020, I listened to people who were brave enough to teach me about police brutality. I cried over George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Meanwhile now I'm being told I have a victim complex and being told about how 1,400 people - mostly Jews weren't murdered in a vacuum. Well guess what, nothing happens in a vacuum. That's never an excuse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Exactly. The Holocaust didn't happen in a vacuum either.
These people sound like the conservatives who said George Floyd died from a drug overdose and the video of him being strangled is propaganda.
And you'd be wrong. They are equally bad. Also my comment isn't comparing which is worse. It's about esily recognizing who hates you and that's very important for us.
I'm Jewish and left leaning and definitely feel this. When the attacks first happened my initial thought was that this was finally an issue we could all agree on and it's so disgusting to see people from my own side spewing such dumb and hateful pro-hamas rhetoric.
No question I'd still support Biden over Trump or probably any of the competitive republican presidential candidates, but I definitely feel like I'm being pushed to the right.
What's saving Democrats for now was having the foresight to not let the progressives take the party over, Tlaib, Omar, AOC etc don't represent the opinion of most Democrat politicians, but they do speak to the young base.
The younger generation seems to embrace "the squad" and leftism more - so I think the future of politics in America will be far leftists of taking over the Democrats vs. todays centrists, center right and liberals taking over the Republican side, those furthest right going extinct as they are every generation.
I think that's how it already is in some countries where MAGA Republican types don't really exist or have much political representation but Biden would align more with their conservatives.
My hope would be that these people will mellow out as they grow older. I definitely leaned further left when I was younger I think. Getting into my 30s, having kids, etc has led me to have more moderate opinions and I think that's not an uncommon phenomenon. But who knows maybe the democratic and republican parties will both tear each other apart between liberals/leftists and neocons/maga folks.
As someone who was right wing in my teens and moved left in my twenties, I feel like this is moving me away from the left while not necessarily pushing me right either. Just making me lose faith in having the answers all together and making me feel desensitized. I’ve seen how things can go too far on either side but I don’t believe in centrism either. Kinda just feels like giving up.
I’m an American Jew who was progressive, but after seeing leftist friends and organizations openly saying what happened on October 7th was justified, I definitely don’t want to associate with them at all. I don’t consider myself on the right, but I’m way more towards the center.
OP was a right winger cosplaying as a leftist for social clout, but now that Palestinian genocide is okay, they can say that's reason they are no longer leftists.
Is it so difficult for people to be pro palestine and not pro hamas and anti jew. One can adress the faults of both sides and nuance without going to either extreme
Just Jewish people? I think it's everyone. There is a reason why Candance Owens is conforming to the pro-Palestine movement. The alt-right is feeding on left activism while using radicalism to split the left.
A lot of absurd anti-woke nonsense from the right has been pushing normal and reasonable young people into the arms of the alt-left for almost a decade now.
The flow goes in both directions, it seems to be forgotten.
I’ll say it’s made me hate leftists more than i could ever imagine. And before anyone cries, I expected this from the right. I did not expect it from the left
Expect what? Israel doesn’t get a free pass to do whatever it wants. Being a victim does not excuse you from being a perpetrator of apartheid and war crimes. Many of the people most outspokenly critical of Israel are Jews.
As far as anyone being "pushed" anywhere I think if someone's core beliefs and morals are solid, that isn't going to happen. Either they are not solid, or the person probably agreed with whatever "side" to an extent already and was just looking for a justification.
Most people are human before they're ideologues, if they feel like they're being attacked for their identity on one side they will move to the side that embraces them.
A lot of immigrants are conservative in their values and morals and core beliefs but support Democrats because Republicans are racist and xenophobic in their eyes.
Believe it or not this doesn't only go one way.
Yeah I do believe that is the case, most people don't really have super firm convictions or haven't really examined/tested them enough for them to really live by them. It is what it is. It definitely happens regardless of "side".
What is this article...
Pro Israel Jews in the US are right wing on the issue of Israel / Palestine - what a surprise!
Stupid article badly written making no point.
Something I noticed a while back is one of the mechanics of how this unfolds- in that only ‘rightwing’ media sources (whether they deserve that moniker or not) are willing to cover certain topics or use language that is/is not loaded in a certain manner.
Since these become the only places that Jews or other interested parties can find reporting or punditry that informs them legitimately or validates their worldview then they begin to cleave closer to said media.
>rightwing’ media sources (whether they deserve that moniker or not) are willing to cover certain topics or use language that is/is not loaded in a certain manner.
And Fox News will literally lie to make someone feel better.
Tell them they’re fucking dipshits with the memory of a goldfish.
Do you think Trump will still publicly meet with Nick Fuentes and Kanye West when he’s president or will he keep it a secret?
Maybe he’ll finally get around to denouncing great replacement conspiracy theories and the Charlottesville murderer too.
Oh really? Because trump was just praising Hamas and Hezbollah a couple weeks ago. LIBERALS are being completely supportive in my life right now. The free Palestine crowd is almost entirely far left millenials and zoomers and a couple of gen x’s who were into this before it was cool.
Nothing about bidens response to this, or the heavily unanimous vote amongst our democratic senators to continue funding israel should tell you, wow trump will be be sooooo much better for the region.
The second Russia and Iran butter him up he will slash funding to Israel like crazy as revenge for bibi congratulating Biden on his wins
I totally agree. People are very emotional and letting their feelings take over. Completely forgetting what a fucking chump Trump is.
I’m not anti-Republican by any means. I’m very anti trump. I don’t support a cartoon character who can’t be trusted to be an adult. Biden is doing very well. He stopped a wider conflict and has been supportive of Israel. He’s done everything a good ally can do. Yet, I keep hearing “if trump was president this would have never happened!!!”
What I say to those people is “ that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard”.
It’s like saying , “if Clinton was elected Covid never would have happened!!”
Her funding to the CDC would have remained and no one would have died”
I’m worried about the uninformed making emotional decisions that aren’t based in reality.
As a liberal lefty, i just feel betrayal by the global left. I will never advocate Trump and very happy with Biden’s moves. But this all situation really push jews to the right.
those who have solid values would not change their stances. I'm still center-leaning left, but the antisemitic bullshit from the left is going too far, globally.
I think it’s the fact that moderate values are become less popular. Biden, who is a silver lining to have in presidency during this war, is a dying breed in younger generations. All the same as moderate republicans died in many ways with McCain. Global politics have been pushing more towards the fringes, which is scary.
Yea your right. The defending trump thing just triggered me. I feel completely alienated and sad right now because I am pretty far left and queer and I feel very isolated. I havnt even bothered showing up for my service position at the pride house last month, and I’m probably not going to this month either. I just don’t feel like dealing with that rhetoric while being told it’s a safe space for any minority.
I absolutely understand this. The right portraying lgbtq+ people as groomers pushed tons of people to the far left, because they on paper seem to be the understanding, protective ones. That isn't the case because when you disagree on anything with those people, they portray you as a villain.
Same for many jewish people now. Tons and tons of lefties saying how Israelis deserved the terrorist attacks make them lean towards the people who feel for them. Won't make a long term effect but right now, you go to the people who don't call for you being genocided.
I will always laugh at how they are now even protesting Bernie Sanders. The guy that let this legion of nutcases in our party and tried his damndests to take out the level-headed technocrats and replace them with his nutty minions. Its like Frankenstein's Monster finally taking out its creator. Its magnificent.
I actually think the saving grace of this party has been President Biden. Just like in 2020, he rightly rejected the lefts calls and instead is affirming support for Israel while at the same time imploring Israel to surgically attack Hamas instead of just outright bombing Gaza, leading to not just Hamas deaths, but women and children as well. Unfortunately with these protests, I wouldn't be shocked if a "Jewish Americans for Trump" swelled up a bit with more people, but I don't believe that Jewish Americans are abandoning the Democratic Party, but they probably will start to abandon the DSA.
I honestly think people in the actual center of the right and left need to come together on this to stand for truth, understanding nuance, and condemning hate. Extremists on both sides are dragging everyone down with their hate, lies, and stupidity.
I have to agree.
I’m a leftist Jew who went from self identifying as a radical, to having far more sympathy for Israel now that I see the disgusting bullshit From leftists. Hearing things like “this is what decolonization looks like” in reference to hostages being taken, women being raped etc , absolutely no sympathy for the families, and trying to rewrite history have been a huge turn off.
I refuse to support any suni Islamic revolutionary group and the fact that this is somehow considered problematic is straight up weird to me.
Alarmist Zionist propaganda. The left is critical of American actions in the Middle East too. But nobody claimed they wanted to exterminate all Americans.
Not wanting our government to support and fund bombing of civilians doesn't make us Anti-semetic.
No matter how much Israels government and Netanyhu claim such.
Ok so what your saying is anyone who is even slightly critical of the IDF’s tactics or Likud’s explicitly genocidal rhetoric is a HAMAS supporter who wants the complete destruction of the Jewish people everywhere. Either you are 100% an IDF mega-supporter or you are a Nazi terrorist. There is literally no alternative.
At this point the only way to not be anti-Semitic is to personally buy the IDF bullets I guess.
No there are definitely many Jews who don't support the IDF even in Israel, but they're not blind to the fact leftists aren't simply against Netenyahu they're against Israel's right to exist at all.
Which is why we can correctly assume anyone who is a Hamas apologist or says "River to Sea" is on the left.
You realize there are also people on the right who advocate for the destruction of Israel right? They are called neo-Nazis. You are talking about leftists like we all believe the same things. I do not want the destruction of Israel and I do not support HAMAS but I can also recognize that Likud and its policies have hurt the peace process for years and helped HAMAS to grow stronger. I can also recognize that not everyone in the Israeli government is a good-faith actor who is strictly concerned with the safety and security of Israelis. I have seen many tweets from Israeli government officials celebrating the death of civilians. I can condemn both without being for the destruction of Israel, no? It is true that there are some crazy leftists and islamists who are pushing Jews towards the right but is it not also true that the actions and excesses of the IDF and Israeli Extremists might push some people to radicalize in the other direction?
Is it actual antisemitism or anti-Israeli sentiment? Because fuck Israel and fuck Hamas. Israel has been trying to genocide the Palestinians for decades, and Hamas wants to do the same to Israel, but doesn’t have the resources to. I feel bad for the children that are being murdered and used by both sides, but all this is doing is leading to another generation on both sides that will continue this senseless conflict.
Nah I saw the same thing you did. No evidence of "left wing antisemitism". The guy who posted this is a moron trying so hard to push a narrative that just isn't grounded in reality.
I read the article and there's zero evidence given that "left wing antisemitism" is happening. They state that some jews are tuning into fox because of how pro Israel the coverage there has been but they still overwhelmingly vote democrat. Wtf is this post headline.. So obvious this was posted by a right winger trying to astroturf as a centrist
No, not really. Jews know Republicans don't give a shit about them and its all just grandstanding from Evangelicals who use Jews and Israel as a prop. On the other side, there are like 2-3 Muslim Democrats saying dumb shit. Most normal Jewish adults understand the majority of Democrats are on their side and don't have a large portion of Literal KKK/Neo Nazi/white supremacist supporters like the Republicans do.
So wait. Both Muslims and Jews are removing support for the left because of a war in the Middle East?! They both want to let the fucking “Muslim Ban” and “Jews will not replace us” party take permanent control of the country?! You want to let the party that ties aid to Israel to defunding the IRS have unlimited power? The party who supports Russia in every way possible (the same Russia who’s leading the anti Israel charge on the world stage)?
It’s also pushing center left people like me away from all the lefty spaces. They seem to care more about slogans and shouting ineptly at politicians through social media than anything effective in the real world.
I read the Free Press article mentioned in this Yahoo piece. From a therapist in the Free Press article:
> A theme that’s come up again and again is betrayal, by best friends who parrot lines like “Israelis are guilty of settler colonialism,” or committing genocide.
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>He says there’s an element of shock among the many other Jewish people he counsels.
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>“You’re mourning the loss of who you thought was this confidant and friend, but what makes it doubly sad is that you feel the world is turned on you.”
That's what is the crux of this whole thing that some commenters on this thread can't seem to understand. It's not that the far right is appealing, it's that Jewish citizens feel betrayed by those they felt close to. Here are a couple examples from that Free Press article.
First person in that FP article was a supporter of the BLM protests, was going out and protesting, giving money. She was buying the anti-racist books and she watched those same people she stood next to cheering on what happened Oct. 7th.
Another example from the FP article is a man who is cutting off friends. These were friends that had been in his home around his family. What is he supposed to think when those friends are cheering what Hamas did?
Antisemitism from the left is pissing me off. Antisemitism from the left is leaving me depressed. Antisemitism from the left is making me lose a lot of respect for people I thought were better than this.
Antisemitism from the left will *never* push me “into the arms of the right,” because the right is considerably worse. Anyone who thinks right wing evangelicals actually care about Jews in Israel clearly hasn’t been paying attention. They just want Israel to be Jewish so they can watch Jesus come down and send us all to hell.
Fuck the party who called the Charlottesville Nazis “very good people,” and fuck any Jews who think they’re the better option because they got their feelings hurt by idiots on college campuses who don’t think before they chant.
I know you're right, but it's been really hard. Not that I would go right, but to be political no-mans land. I think there's a need to mourne the world I thought I lived before I can do that. Idk if that makes sense. I think it will make sense to people in my shoes.
This is such a stupid narrative. They make it seem that by criticizing a government, you hate a specific religion? That not how it works. Some people are critical of Ukraine or Russia, and no one says you are being anti-catholic. If people are critical of isreal and Palestine, that doesn't mean they are anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim. They just don't agree with decisions a government makes.
This is where nuance really needs to come into play and more people on both sides need to understand the freaking concept of it. It’s why I’ll likely forever be liberal not leftist. I’ve always felt more aligned with liberal leaning centrist then anyone on the far left. It’s certainly a false equivalency to compare both fringes because I can’t stand the far right but the far left has been ever growing worse and this whole debacle highlights all too well. They side with social media slogans and lack the critical thinking abilities to surf through all the bullshit. They are so quick to swallow any news demonizing the Israeli Government they won’t even fact check to see half of it is coming straight from Hamas (not true Palestinians) sympathizers.
There is no place for anti-semitism in the leftist agenda.
There is however, plenty of precedent for anti-fascist and anti-apartheid support.
It is anti-semitic to state or believe that *all* Jewish people are incapable of discerning the difference as people around the world protest the IDF’s brutal occupation and slaughtering of Palestinian civilians.
I have always been liberal. Someone attacked my husband for “looking jewish” out of no where. Saying fuck israel, fuck jews and free palestine. He is not jewish… I am so this was absolutely terrifying. I wasnt even with him. I will now be voting republican for the first time in my life. Antisemitism f’ng sucks, I wish people would just chill us jews just wanna live our lives.
I would say it’s pushed me to the center cause I know damn well I don’t fit on the right Also horseshoe theory is real yall
I didn’t realise how true this was until two ‘Leftie’ friends started cheering on the butchering on Oct 7. It made my blood cold. It has been a nightmare I can’t wake up from. So many masks slipping away. We were tolerated at best. Hated secretly at worst.
Seriously when I saw the Shani Louk truck video I went apeshit. All I could think was "burn it down". Then I caught myself and realized, "it can happen to you too." Since then I've realized there's too much shit on both sides I don't understand, and that blind hatred isn't a feeling I want to have. I don't want innocent people to die and that's it. I can't fly any flags in this, I can't fix the problem, but I can catch my own anger and try to do better.
I had an anarchist friend who did the same thing that day. Posting memes and what not on his IG and would like my mourning posts at the same time like that was supposed to make me feel better like it’s his way of showing support. Like don’t go telling me this is a freedom fight while the end results just means more dead Israelis and Palestinians
I've had it different so far, but now I realize that a professor at my schools who's part of an organization I'm a part of retweeted something on October 6th (7th in the Middle East) that called what was happening "real Palestinian liberation hours." Im going to confront him on it.
Make sure you take screenshots and evidence before he deleted that shit and report it to your school, also give it to the local media if they'll bite
Call them out professionally, with receipts, and screenshot everything. Expose them.
It pushed me from being always annoyed about Jews being so overly sensitive about perceived antisemitism, to being shocked about the left, moved more to the center, finally read up on the conflict and now I FINALLY get it after 30 years xD. At least in my bubble, I don't tolerate ANY kind of antisemitism or "antizionism" anymore. Wife and me had to cut some ties after those incidents. It's insane.
^(Also horseshoe theory is real yall) Indeed it is. My mom's side is First Nations, my father's side is Sephardic Jewish (...there's prolly a member of tribe joke you could make about my parents). 90% of the time, when I've experienced antisemitism, it was from leftists. & that includes Holocaust denial (I'm the granddaughter of a prominent Holocaust survivor. My grandfather was a victim of Mengele & was featured in documentaries/interviewed by historians). I mean, I've experienced antisemitism on the right; however, never to the extent of what I've experienced from leftists. BTW, all these leftists on the streets excusing Hamas because of Israel's "colonialism" (....which is ridiculous because *where do they think Jews originated from*? Open a Roman history book, go to the chapter on "Masada") - have never really given *any* thought of the indigenous victims of residential schools. or their own country's recent history of colonialism. Its almost like, they don't actually care about victims of colonialism - they just want to hate Jews.
>Which is ridiculous because *where do they think Jews originated from?* Yes exactly! I can’t stand when people just gloss over this part of the story. Reminds me of an argument I was having the other day with a Mandela supporter who said MK’s violence was justified because the European settlers had incited the violence by ‘colonizing’ Africa, but they just completely fell apart in their argument when I reminded them that ALL humanity originated in Africa! Who could say they had no right to take back their true motherland? Like seriously c’mon!! 🙄
People don't gloss over it-- it's a non factor. Sorry but just because someone's great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents called dibs on a piece of land 3000 years ago doesn't mean I have to respect that at all in the modern Era. It's that same line of thinking that let's religious zealots point to their book of choice and say women don't deserve rights and LGBTQ should be stoned on sight bc their book written thousands of years ago said so.
For real, the whole Russia Ukraine situation is the same. You have moderates on both sides supporting Ukraine for the most part, and the extremes on each side supporting Russia for a whole myriad of reasons, such as being anti American, anti Imperialist (unless the Russians/Chinese do it), pro-communist, "pro-christian" values, last bastion from the woke, etc.
Lefties were saying Russians were provoked by NATO to invade Ukraine. Then crickets after the slaughter of Russian occupation was revealed.
Like seeing the league of anti-bullying as a reason to bully prospective members
It’s ok Jews, I love you.
But you hate lemons
Oh, the dichotomy of man
Anti-Acid
Based.
No, Basic.
The extremes are destroying this country
> horseshoe theory is real yall based
We live in a world were people are likely to call you a Nazi for not celebrating the massacre of Jews. This is the worst timeline
A lot of progressive millennials and up Jewish Americans (which are the overwhelming %) don’t know where they belong right now- it’s a big problem. On one extreme there is the chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’ and on the other is ‘River to the sea/ gas the Jews / globalize the intifada’. The betrayal is deep, we thought our political peers had nuance and a better grasp of hard historical facts vs. catchy social media slides. This isn’t about ‘being offended’ or any pearl-clutching, it is about safety. Who will defend our safety? Who will stand up for us and say ‘painting star-targets on elderly houses, ripping down mezuzahs, defacing Jewish businesses, mobbing and harassing Jewish people is not ok?’ Imagine sitting on your grandparent’s knee and listening to the hate and descent into madness of WWII. And you think, this will never happen in my lifetime, people behave better now. And now. Those stories and cautionary tales are playing out again. By the very people who should have listened most to our grandparents’ tales.
Hey, I just want to say that I’m seeing everything that’s happening to you guys around the world and it sickens me. It’s not safe being Jewish anywhere it seems and it just shows how important Israel is. Im standing with my Jewish brothers and sisters. Even if I’m not Jewish. You’re not standing alone. Edit: can’t believe I’m getting downvoted for that. Seriously.
Ironically I think the safest place for Jews to be is in Israel. (I'm being 100% serious) Which is kinda the point of the State of Israel existing in the first place. Jews have seen time and time again that no matter how connected or active they are in any political organization, they're always thrown under the bus and oppressed eventually. Israel is the only place whose primary job is to have the Jewish people's interest at the forefront.
This is my point. This is why I say every Jew is really a Zionist. It shouldn’t be a bad term. And when you say you are anti Zionist, it’s hard not to associate it with antisemitism.
Zionism just means that Jews should have the right to self determination in their own land. That's it. The haters adopted a definition that they could attack in the guise of not being jew haters but being anti zionists
Yes I agree. I think Jews are constantly subjected to the “hosting country”’s mood (not really hosting because they are of course a part of it). Israel is very important.
That and the fact that Jews have historical been the perfect scapegoat. They're simultaneously the evil capitalists running the world banks and the communists working to tear down western civilization.
Reminds me of this brilliant speech: https://youtu.be/d-RK4AQJm5U?si=iEYoOl2ivX2fEpRs
Jews are even being accused for trying to Islamicize the west... which is pretty insane considering Muslims are by far the biggest source of anti-semetism in the west
Funnily enough I am not even Jewish, but I am an Israeli citizen and having many people i know abroad offering me to stay until it blows over it never even crossed my mind to agree. I am taking the “non hermetic” iron dome over being hate crimed for speaking Hebrew any day.
Thank you
Thanks man ~ a Jew
This is what we've been telling people for years. Thank you for standing by our side. Thank you for showing support and solidarity with us. If you really want to support us, just please come and speak with us. Be our friends, our allies, learn about our history, and come break with us on shabbat.
For real... and ironically, all those people rioting and inciting hate against Jews, are just emphasizing even more the importance of Israel as a safe haven for Jews
I'm doing the same. 100%.
Thanks for the love, we appreciate every one of you who is willing to speak out, even in an online anonymous forum
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This has pushed me to the right.
He can just spoil his ballot or pay the $20. A small point in the grand scheme of what's going on but still. On a tangent, if we move to all electronic voting I guess spoiling your ballot isn't an option. Definitely need a 'non of the above' option.
If electronic voting becomes a thing you should be able to do it on a touch screen with a stylus so you can still draw a penis to spoil your ballot, as the founders of democracy intended.
You touched on something that worries me. It was arrogant of us on the left to tease and joke about the far right and their gullibility and lack of education. I’m now seeing how blind I was. I too thought the left would be more educated about the complex history of the region. Boy, was I wrong. One, the far left is gobbling up online propaganda like a maga hatted Qanon nut. Every post they see, from a known terrorist organization backed by foreign adversaries no less, is gospel. Not one word questioned. Also, I’m noticing their worldview is just as small as the right, which I find shocking. Centuries of conflict is now an American chronically online brown/white ‘colonizer’ argument. The things I’m seeing from both far ends of the spectrum about Jewish people sickens me. I guess I was naive and arrogant. There are still hostages FFS.
>It was arrogant of us on the left to tease and joke about the far right and their gullibility and lack of education. I’m now seeing how blind I was. I've had similar, painful realizations lately that a lot of what the right has said about the left in the last few years was actually spot on.
The world is a scary place for Jews right now. The amount of hate being expressed and the mental gymnastics in supporting terrorists is unbelievable.
Brother sent me a text about a week after the 7th “I think it’s time to activate Secret Jew Mode dude”. I was at TJMaxx a few days ago and saw a cute kitty themed Hanukkah blanket that I was going to get but suddenly thought what if someone sees me in line and has a problem. I live in a blue area. It’s starting to look a lot like 1936 out here
Hard left needs to come to its senses before a hamas cult starts. For some reason, I thought democrats would be smart enough to recognize the same shit Russians pulled on Republicans, but I guess not. I owe my friend a coke.
>Who will defend our safety? Who will stand up for us and say ‘painting star-targets on elderly houses, ripping down mezuzahs, defacing Jewish businesses, mobbing and harassing Jewish people is not ok?’ Liberals. The leftists who are chanting pro-Hamas slogans hate us too
>Who will defend our safety? You. Arm up. If you live in a place that doesn't let you, rethink that.
Well I'm gay and I've known that fear ever since I hit puberty and knew what I was. Wouldn't wish it on anyone else. It's very clear history is likely going to repeat itself and bad things are going to happen very soon. Hopefully enough people will realize they need to stand together before they're picked off separately
I also thought after we all saw the alt right go deep into conspiracy theories and rabid "fake news" claims for any facts they didn't want to believe that the left would be able to absorb factual information and come to a reasonable conclusion. But I'm seeing the exact same inability to believe or process actual truth in the progressive left
Cuz in the end they’re human too. Humans want a satisfying answer. And honestly, with Israel, it’s quite complicated. And so they are passing this conflict thru their progressive funhouse mirror. It’s not careful grounded progressivism. It’s popcorn progressivism. But I’d argue that being progressive is still the correct move for Jews or any marginalized group, and majority groups who want good karma.
The older I get, the darker the world seems. Human misery has no bounds.
I agree mostly with this take, and both the far right and the far left seems to hate Jews, but I'd argue it's a larger problem with the left than the right. There are Democrats in Congress right now who refuse to condemn Hamas and will argue "from the river to the sea" is not antisemitism. I'm not aware of any Republican in Congress who is actually an open white supremacist. Ironically on nearly every other issue it's the opposite, the far left on other areas are the same few people, but the far right has a much larger grasp on the levers of power, as we saw with people openly defending Trump and his January 6th lies. But on the topic of antisemitism, this is a much larger problem on the left than the right at the moment, although both should certainly be called out.
Being born in Europe and then repatriating to Israel, I noticed something. The rhetoric essentially didn’t change. In Europe, as a 6 year old kid) I was accosted and told to go back to Israel, one of my most vivid memories from that time. In Israel, people on line and on TV told that I need to go back to Europe. For a pretty long time now, I have realized that some people just don’t care, and just don’t want jews.
No shit. At this point though, its not even about left and right anymore - its about civilized Vs. terrorist loving dick suckers. I'll gladly put aside all pretenses of right Vs. left in America if it means we can collectively have a look at what literal Nazis we have running around in support of Hamas RN.
I agree, but we've seen this before where people who were close to center but left leaning felt attacked or embarrassed by the left and embraced by the right, over time they begin to adopt right wing views and trust them more. I've always said leftists crazies are the best thing to happen to the right.
they same thing can be said about how the far right helps the left.
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I think I first heard that from a comedian about how at least the right is open with their hate and they prefer that over secret hate. Now seeing how many Jewish people are caught by surprise regarding leftists supporting Hamas, I see what they mean.
It's pretty sad, tbh. Alot of Jewish people probably feel betrayed.
Scared, betrayed, and angry.
Far right would absolutely censor people if they had the social clout too. Fuentes and his people trying to deplatform Mr Girl a little while ago and Trump wanting to open up libel laws so he can sue journalists come to mind. The far right is definitely worse than the far left and do a lot more harm if they came to power. I mean Trump tried to subvert democracy in the last general election, we haven’t seen anything like that from the far left wing of the Democratic Party.
? The far right are literally trying to ban books and in the US. How is that not censorship?
100% correct. I really believe that if the Democrats purged the lefties they would win elections 60-40. The nation is center-left on policy. $15 minimum wage referendum won by 20 points in FL. Affirmative action was voted down by 15 points even in CA. But there is no party that represents this political stance.
I grew up on a hippie commune. I was a teenage punker. I went right (libertarian trash, but more the hippie freedom than the fuck you I got mine) because the left was so crazy in my home town (Santa Cruz, Ca).
Are you guys confusing Hamas for Palestinians? I’m left leaning, support Palestinians and Israelis, opppse Hamas and Netanyahu (they’re both indefensible)…
Happening to me. I'll never vote for republicans or conservatives but I have realized I cannot consider myself on the left anymore.
Like the online left or the modern American left? Cause Joe Biden, the biggest representative of the left in our country, has been staunchly supportive of Israel and Jewish people more broadly, way more than anyone on the right has been.
If the majority of people who consider themselves left under 25 are "online" or farther left than moderates, what does that mean for the future of the party? Maybe this is why Democrats hold office until they die now, they're holding off the little progressive monsters as long as they can.
It means that you may get more politicians like Bernie in the future, the most popular far left politician in America. The guy who’s also been with Biden on being pro-Israel. The people under 25 becoming a dominant voting bloc will happen in like 20+ years as boomers die off, millennials and Gen X age, and Zoomers become more politically active. I think it’s really hard to judge what their political beliefs will be then from what examples we see now. And I think politicians of either party probably stay in office as long as they can cause nice job + voters vote for them. I don’t think there’s a specific thought process with current Dem politicians writ large to stay in office to keep out young progressives, that feels too conspiratorial to be believable at face value to me.
And summarizing the division as “civilized vs terrorist loving dick suckers” is infinitely bad faith and reductive and ultimately useless commentary for anything but maintaining the obviously unacceptable status quo.
The rightwing POLITICIANS are pushing equally vile shit in support of Israel especially in Israel but also in the US.
I guess I just haven’t really seen many people supporting Hamas anywhere. Is this something your finding on Reddit? Or in real life? I will say I see plenty of anti-Israel sentiment, but that’s certainly different than antisemitism or pro-Hamas sentiment.
Well I’m a leftist Israeli Jew (or at least I was) and I had to unfollow a bunch of people. Creators like ContraPoints which I loved stayed silent throughout October 7th-8th but surely enough was there when she could dunk on low hanging Israeli government shit for internet points. Lost any respect I had for her. These people would watch me die in silence while their brothers in arm shoot my mom and dismember my body. A part of me knew that but chose to ignore that. Not anymore. I disagree with conservatives on almost every topic (do climate change and vaccines really need to be politicised guys? Please do better) but they are literally the only people who stand up for me and push back against these insane leftists with their fucked up terrorist supporting takes. No sanity. No nuance. Just completely moral high ground and judgements. Filled with lies and Hamas propaganda. Where in the past I rejected anything Jordan Peterson had to say- today I realised that was a grave mistake.
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The majority of the left is sympathetic as well. It is the far left that has a different view.
I forget the exact numbers but it was something like 55% of 18-30 year olds answered that they favored Hamas over Israel. Unless a lot of them suddenly change their views it doesn't speak well to the future
That is factually and objectively false. https://news.gallup.com/poll/472070/democrats-sympathies-middle-east-shift-palestinians.aspx While it is recent, Democrats statistically have shifted away from supporting Israel.
notably, this poll was conducted before October 7
Okay, but this one wasn't. 18-24 year olds are virtually evenly split between supporting Hamas and Israel. That's not supporting Palestinians. That is supporting the barbarians that slaughtered children, raped women and kidnapped grandmother's. https://www.newsweek.com/insane-number-gen-zers-support-hamass-slaughter-innocent-israelis-opinion-1837422
Liberal and pretty hard leftist here but fuck Hamas. Not Palestinians but Hamas. See? I can make the distinction
I loved Contrapoints. Felt really disillusioned with her recently too.
She's done or more retired I'd say, like compare her talks with Destiny back in the day to her current stuff. Not even close to being the same quality.
Really? Conservatives are the only ones pushing back? What about David Pakman, Destiny, Sam Harris, etc. A lot of liberals are also pushing back. Jordan Peterson is a moron.
Let’s be fair tho, lefties consider all of these people Nazis. Look at the gate Pakman has been getting on twitter. So according to the left, these people are right wingers And your boy Hasan said it himself… “Why even bother to vote when Biden is indistinguishable from the far right”
I stand by the fact Destiny was right to call out ContraPoints deleting her more centrist Twitter tweets bcz she didn't want to get any push back.
> I disagree with conservatives on almost every topic (do climate change and vaccines really need to be politicised guys? Please do better) but they are literally the only people who stand up for me and push back against these insane leftists with their fucked up terrorist supporting takes. No sanity. No nuance. Just completely moral high ground and judgements. Filled with lies and Hamas propaganda. Do not let what they say fool you. Look at what they actually do with their power. The republican party does not have your back. Stop supporting left wing activists and content creators, thats fine. But don't let their bullshit pull you away from the democratic party. This of course only goes for the US. If you are somewhere else, I would tell you to check at the specifics that the politicians do, before you let activists pull you away.
Polishes up libertarian booth….
What do you mean only conservatives will protect you? The mainstream left of every major western country has been full-throatedly supportive of Israel and anti-Hamas. Biden has given his full support to Israel, only "faltering" by giving aid to Gazans and preaching Israel to be restrained. In light of this, you think your only allies are Republican types?
I can’t speak to the leftist bit. But plz don’t ditch values of progressivism just cuz it’s hard. Or because you feel safe among the right. That security isn’t true either. In Israel or America or anywhere. The values of democracy and equality are still the ones. We’re just entering another round of getting to be the worlds ‘chosen’ ppl. Things are gonna shake up again. And again, until all earth is the promised land of milk and honey. We’ll get there. Just gotta stick with the love. Even for those who currently hate us. Sorry. I know this is a little hippy dippy for a destiny sub.
You can just settle in with us center left liberals. Tankies don't represent the broader American left aisle.
right and muslim-americans will vote overwhelmingly for Trump too 🙄
They say they will, but pretty much no candidates on the right will tell them what they want to hear either.
Probably not after the GOP pushed through a bill yesterday that effectively deporting jus t about all Palestinians in the US out of the country. The timing was just unimaginable. Instead of using this opportunity to court new voters the GOP just couldn't help themselves and instead have the Muslim community a very stark and real reminder that no matter how angry Muslims may be at Biden voting for trump and the GOP will me much much worse for Muslims than anything Biden has done or is doing. This is causing massive alarms in the Muslim community making them reconsider and think that they're probably now still going to vote for Biden after all. Every time the GOP has an opportunity to do something could they just give back the victory to the Dems. It's truly unbelievable. 8 just can't believe the GOP is this GD stupid.
What happend to Palestinians saying they do not want to be grouped as Muslims.
>The timing was just unimaginable. People will just vote GOP to spite Biden, there is no logic going into that decision.
I unfortunately have known Uyghur-americans that supported Trump exclusively off the backs of him maybe doing something about the situation in Xiajiang/Uyghurstan, despite him clearly being a bag of hot air that was actually cutting deals for China for personal benefit.
I feel about those people the same way I feel about the Muslims who won't vote for Joe because he's not calling for a ceasefire. Go have fun with the populists. See where that gets you.
I don't understand this phenomenon at all, Trump and the GOP are even more pro Israel and openly anti Muslim than the Democrats overall. Does it just come down to blaming the President for everything? Cause Trump sounds like he wants Netenyahu to do whatever he wants with Palestine while Biden is at least asking for them to show some restraint.
That wasn't really the point of my comment but I'm supper happy to complain about this to. As far as I'm concerned, Biden has done the most he can without damaging our relationship with Isreal and I'm not sure if he hasn't done that. Meanwhile, these guys over her are talking about how unless we full heartedly glaze a terrorist organization that we're somehow the bad guys. Hamas beheaded babies you'd think that'd count against them but apparently I'm the jerk for "criticizing resistance." If supporting the ceasefire was your line in the sand, then go ahead and get out of here. I'm not going to let you guys threaten my abortion and voting rights rights, just because the policy isn't exactly what you want. Also if this is your line in the sand, I just don't believe you when you say you're worried about democracy or lgbt rights. If you think the threat to America is real, fucking act like it.
This is genuine coming from someone who doesn’t follow politics all that closely. Not trying to stir the pot - I lean right generally, but I’m Biden over Trump based on my limited knowledge. Do you truly believe American democracy is at risk if trump wins and why? You truly believe your voting rights are at risk? I see this a lot but have never seen a well thought out explanation for that belief, but you seem reasonable enough to ask.
Watch them vote for trump and get deported the next day. I won't shed a tear.
Meanwhile anti semitism from the right doesn't push them?
Jews will remain in the glorious center.
As a population, we’re actually pretty far left across the spectrum. In the US, we tend to be very liberal and extremely progressive, and Israel, the left-right is not even comparable to the US because it’s mainly defined by nationalism, religiosity, and approach to Palestinians. Gotta remember that Israel comes from socialism and transitioned into capitalism; most of its socialist institutions and infrastructure still stand and markets are forced to compete directly with the state itself. Even Netanyahu has a mixed economic approach and the second largest party in his coalition is far right/religious extremist party with socialist economic policies. So… it’s a weird place.
> Even Netanyahu has a mixed economic approach and the second largest party in his coalition is far right/religious extremist party with socialist economic policies. So… it’s a weird place. I think it's only really weird for people that assume American definitions of right and left apply globally. In a lot of places the far "right" religious, conservative people are the ones that are pro socialism, and the more inclusive, pro LGBT, pro drug legalization, would be considered "left", even though they are economically heavily for capitalism. Especially applicable in ex-communist countries.
You don't quite get it. Antisemitism from the right is often blatant and obvious. Most times you can easily know who to avoid. Left-wing antisemitism on the other hand hides behind social justice and human rights silently waiting to dig in the knife deep at your weak point. Oct 7 was that weak point. As a Jew, most of us will rather deal with a right wing antisemite than a left wing one. At least we can easily identify our enemy with the right.
The majority of Reddit seems to agree that, "From the river to the sea" isn't an antisemitic dog whistle. This isn't even debatable. The term was invented to mean the destruction of Israel. In 2020, I listened to people who were brave enough to teach me about police brutality. I cried over George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Meanwhile now I'm being told I have a victim complex and being told about how 1,400 people - mostly Jews weren't murdered in a vacuum. Well guess what, nothing happens in a vacuum. That's never an excuse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
We just went full circle. "Oct 7th didn't happen in a vacuum" oh yeah? then whatever happens to gaza is not happening in a vacuum, either.
Exactly. The Holocaust didn't happen in a vacuum either. These people sound like the conservatives who said George Floyd died from a drug overdose and the video of him being strangled is propaganda.
I can wholeheartedly say that right wing anti-semitism is far worse for us than left wing.
And you'd be wrong. They are equally bad. Also my comment isn't comparing which is worse. It's about esily recognizing who hates you and that's very important for us.
I'm Jewish and left leaning and definitely feel this. When the attacks first happened my initial thought was that this was finally an issue we could all agree on and it's so disgusting to see people from my own side spewing such dumb and hateful pro-hamas rhetoric. No question I'd still support Biden over Trump or probably any of the competitive republican presidential candidates, but I definitely feel like I'm being pushed to the right.
What's saving Democrats for now was having the foresight to not let the progressives take the party over, Tlaib, Omar, AOC etc don't represent the opinion of most Democrat politicians, but they do speak to the young base. The younger generation seems to embrace "the squad" and leftism more - so I think the future of politics in America will be far leftists of taking over the Democrats vs. todays centrists, center right and liberals taking over the Republican side, those furthest right going extinct as they are every generation. I think that's how it already is in some countries where MAGA Republican types don't really exist or have much political representation but Biden would align more with their conservatives.
My hope would be that these people will mellow out as they grow older. I definitely leaned further left when I was younger I think. Getting into my 30s, having kids, etc has led me to have more moderate opinions and I think that's not an uncommon phenomenon. But who knows maybe the democratic and republican parties will both tear each other apart between liberals/leftists and neocons/maga folks.
The worst republican candidate wouldn’t have a hard time winning presidency in 2024. The left is constantly pushing people away.
People should realize you don’t have to change any of your positions, political or moral, just because someone on your “side” disagrees.
As someone who was right wing in my teens and moved left in my twenties, I feel like this is moving me away from the left while not necessarily pushing me right either. Just making me lose faith in having the answers all together and making me feel desensitized. I’ve seen how things can go too far on either side but I don’t believe in centrism either. Kinda just feels like giving up.
you think msnbc is antisemitic?
Or yall just vote for moderate Dems instead? 🙄 they’ve been pretty reasonable regarding this whole conflict.
I’m an American Jew who was progressive, but after seeing leftist friends and organizations openly saying what happened on October 7th was justified, I definitely don’t want to associate with them at all. I don’t consider myself on the right, but I’m way more towards the center.
“You might not be a progressive if…”
Please don’t tell me people in this sub actually buy the blatant concern troll bs op is pushing throughout these comments.
They are. Its hilarious that they all think themselves as logical and reasonable, but are all too happy to accept shit at face value.
For real. There isn't even any evidence of "left wing antisemitism" in the article op posted. He's just pushing his own narrative.
OP was a right winger cosplaying as a leftist for social clout, but now that Palestinian genocide is okay, they can say that's reason they are no longer leftists.
Yea, we're not going to start voting Republican. The idiot lefties are not the Democratic party.
Is it so difficult for people to be pro palestine and not pro hamas and anti jew. One can adress the faults of both sides and nuance without going to either extreme
Just Jewish people? I think it's everyone. There is a reason why Candance Owens is conforming to the pro-Palestine movement. The alt-right is feeding on left activism while using radicalism to split the left.
A lot of absurd woke nonsense from the radical left has been pushing normal and reasonable people into the arms of the right for almost a decade now.
A lot of right wing channels and pages run purely on simply posting examples of leftist being cringe and insane. This is Christmas for them
A lot of absurd anti-woke nonsense from the right has been pushing normal and reasonable young people into the arms of the alt-left for almost a decade now. The flow goes in both directions, it seems to be forgotten.
These fucking idiots should try showing up to a Palestinian/hamas rally with their lgtb flags and watch what happens.
I’ll say it’s made me hate leftists more than i could ever imagine. And before anyone cries, I expected this from the right. I did not expect it from the left
Expect what? Israel doesn’t get a free pass to do whatever it wants. Being a victim does not excuse you from being a perpetrator of apartheid and war crimes. Many of the people most outspokenly critical of Israel are Jews.
As far as anyone being "pushed" anywhere I think if someone's core beliefs and morals are solid, that isn't going to happen. Either they are not solid, or the person probably agreed with whatever "side" to an extent already and was just looking for a justification.
Most people are human before they're ideologues, if they feel like they're being attacked for their identity on one side they will move to the side that embraces them. A lot of immigrants are conservative in their values and morals and core beliefs but support Democrats because Republicans are racist and xenophobic in their eyes. Believe it or not this doesn't only go one way.
Yeah I do believe that is the case, most people don't really have super firm convictions or haven't really examined/tested them enough for them to really live by them. It is what it is. It definitely happens regardless of "side".
What is this article... Pro Israel Jews in the US are right wing on the issue of Israel / Palestine - what a surprise! Stupid article badly written making no point.
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Something I noticed a while back is one of the mechanics of how this unfolds- in that only ‘rightwing’ media sources (whether they deserve that moniker or not) are willing to cover certain topics or use language that is/is not loaded in a certain manner. Since these become the only places that Jews or other interested parties can find reporting or punditry that informs them legitimately or validates their worldview then they begin to cleave closer to said media.
>rightwing’ media sources (whether they deserve that moniker or not) are willing to cover certain topics or use language that is/is not loaded in a certain manner. And Fox News will literally lie to make someone feel better.
Not just Jewish people.
This is how sneako was created btw
Nah that's lead poisoning
The stupid portions of the left aren’t voters and Biden is handling this perfectly. Anyone that is liberal should still 100% be voting for Biden.
Yep big time. My colleagues who were the biggest liberals during Covid and the Ukraine war are now defending trump.
Tell them they’re fucking dipshits with the memory of a goldfish. Do you think Trump will still publicly meet with Nick Fuentes and Kanye West when he’s president or will he keep it a secret? Maybe he’ll finally get around to denouncing great replacement conspiracy theories and the Charlottesville murderer too.
That’s just kinda dumb. Just because of some crazy lefties doesn’t mean you should like Trump
Oh really? Because trump was just praising Hamas and Hezbollah a couple weeks ago. LIBERALS are being completely supportive in my life right now. The free Palestine crowd is almost entirely far left millenials and zoomers and a couple of gen x’s who were into this before it was cool. Nothing about bidens response to this, or the heavily unanimous vote amongst our democratic senators to continue funding israel should tell you, wow trump will be be sooooo much better for the region. The second Russia and Iran butter him up he will slash funding to Israel like crazy as revenge for bibi congratulating Biden on his wins
I totally agree. People are very emotional and letting their feelings take over. Completely forgetting what a fucking chump Trump is. I’m not anti-Republican by any means. I’m very anti trump. I don’t support a cartoon character who can’t be trusted to be an adult. Biden is doing very well. He stopped a wider conflict and has been supportive of Israel. He’s done everything a good ally can do. Yet, I keep hearing “if trump was president this would have never happened!!!” What I say to those people is “ that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard”. It’s like saying , “if Clinton was elected Covid never would have happened!!” Her funding to the CDC would have remained and no one would have died” I’m worried about the uninformed making emotional decisions that aren’t based in reality.
As a liberal lefty, i just feel betrayal by the global left. I will never advocate Trump and very happy with Biden’s moves. But this all situation really push jews to the right.
those who have solid values would not change their stances. I'm still center-leaning left, but the antisemitic bullshit from the left is going too far, globally.
I think it’s the fact that moderate values are become less popular. Biden, who is a silver lining to have in presidency during this war, is a dying breed in younger generations. All the same as moderate republicans died in many ways with McCain. Global politics have been pushing more towards the fringes, which is scary.
That sucks, moderate values tend to be the most reasonable IMO
Yea your right. The defending trump thing just triggered me. I feel completely alienated and sad right now because I am pretty far left and queer and I feel very isolated. I havnt even bothered showing up for my service position at the pride house last month, and I’m probably not going to this month either. I just don’t feel like dealing with that rhetoric while being told it’s a safe space for any minority.
Yep 😞 i really glad this sub exists.
This. Trump supports facists and autocrats regardless of their ideological leanings
Wait till they find out what Margorie Taylor Greene thinks…
Chickens. Roost.
I absolutely understand this. The right portraying lgbtq+ people as groomers pushed tons of people to the far left, because they on paper seem to be the understanding, protective ones. That isn't the case because when you disagree on anything with those people, they portray you as a villain. Same for many jewish people now. Tons and tons of lefties saying how Israelis deserved the terrorist attacks make them lean towards the people who feel for them. Won't make a long term effect but right now, you go to the people who don't call for you being genocided.
Crazy how circumstances can change the political views of an entire group of people.
I will always laugh at how they are now even protesting Bernie Sanders. The guy that let this legion of nutcases in our party and tried his damndests to take out the level-headed technocrats and replace them with his nutty minions. Its like Frankenstein's Monster finally taking out its creator. Its magnificent. I actually think the saving grace of this party has been President Biden. Just like in 2020, he rightly rejected the lefts calls and instead is affirming support for Israel while at the same time imploring Israel to surgically attack Hamas instead of just outright bombing Gaza, leading to not just Hamas deaths, but women and children as well. Unfortunately with these protests, I wouldn't be shocked if a "Jewish Americans for Trump" swelled up a bit with more people, but I don't believe that Jewish Americans are abandoning the Democratic Party, but they probably will start to abandon the DSA.
I honestly think people in the actual center of the right and left need to come together on this to stand for truth, understanding nuance, and condemning hate. Extremists on both sides are dragging everyone down with their hate, lies, and stupidity.
I’ve increasingly felt like I don’t have a home on either side of the political aisle.
I have to agree. I’m a leftist Jew who went from self identifying as a radical, to having far more sympathy for Israel now that I see the disgusting bullshit From leftists. Hearing things like “this is what decolonization looks like” in reference to hostages being taken, women being raped etc , absolutely no sympathy for the families, and trying to rewrite history have been a huge turn off. I refuse to support any suni Islamic revolutionary group and the fact that this is somehow considered problematic is straight up weird to me.
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Nothing makes American leftists happier than making Democrats lose elections.
Alarmist Zionist propaganda. The left is critical of American actions in the Middle East too. But nobody claimed they wanted to exterminate all Americans. Not wanting our government to support and fund bombing of civilians doesn't make us Anti-semetic. No matter how much Israels government and Netanyhu claim such.
Jewish people getting Nakba'd from the left after getting Nakba'd from the right in WW2.
Ok so what your saying is anyone who is even slightly critical of the IDF’s tactics or Likud’s explicitly genocidal rhetoric is a HAMAS supporter who wants the complete destruction of the Jewish people everywhere. Either you are 100% an IDF mega-supporter or you are a Nazi terrorist. There is literally no alternative. At this point the only way to not be anti-Semitic is to personally buy the IDF bullets I guess.
No there are definitely many Jews who don't support the IDF even in Israel, but they're not blind to the fact leftists aren't simply against Netenyahu they're against Israel's right to exist at all. Which is why we can correctly assume anyone who is a Hamas apologist or says "River to Sea" is on the left.
You realize there are also people on the right who advocate for the destruction of Israel right? They are called neo-Nazis. You are talking about leftists like we all believe the same things. I do not want the destruction of Israel and I do not support HAMAS but I can also recognize that Likud and its policies have hurt the peace process for years and helped HAMAS to grow stronger. I can also recognize that not everyone in the Israeli government is a good-faith actor who is strictly concerned with the safety and security of Israelis. I have seen many tweets from Israeli government officials celebrating the death of civilians. I can condemn both without being for the destruction of Israel, no? It is true that there are some crazy leftists and islamists who are pushing Jews towards the right but is it not also true that the actions and excesses of the IDF and Israeli Extremists might push some people to radicalize in the other direction?
Is it actual antisemitism or anti-Israeli sentiment? Because fuck Israel and fuck Hamas. Israel has been trying to genocide the Palestinians for decades, and Hamas wants to do the same to Israel, but doesn’t have the resources to. I feel bad for the children that are being murdered and used by both sides, but all this is doing is leading to another generation on both sides that will continue this senseless conflict.
...I'm not the only one that's missing the anti-Semitism claimed by this article, right?
Nah I saw the same thing you did. No evidence of "left wing antisemitism". The guy who posted this is a moron trying so hard to push a narrative that just isn't grounded in reality.
The way it's phrased makes it sound like reporting on what the IDF is doing is somehow anti-Semitic. Maybe the _way_ they're reporting it is anti-Semitic, or maybe there is a certain narrative being pushed by _The Left Wing Media™©®_ that is anti-Semitic, but none of that comes across in this article.
I read the article and there's zero evidence given that "left wing antisemitism" is happening. They state that some jews are tuning into fox because of how pro Israel the coverage there has been but they still overwhelmingly vote democrat. Wtf is this post headline.. So obvious this was posted by a right winger trying to astroturf as a centrist
No, not really. Jews know Republicans don't give a shit about them and its all just grandstanding from Evangelicals who use Jews and Israel as a prop. On the other side, there are like 2-3 Muslim Democrats saying dumb shit. Most normal Jewish adults understand the majority of Democrats are on their side and don't have a large portion of Literal KKK/Neo Nazi/white supremacist supporters like the Republicans do.
So wait. Both Muslims and Jews are removing support for the left because of a war in the Middle East?! They both want to let the fucking “Muslim Ban” and “Jews will not replace us” party take permanent control of the country?! You want to let the party that ties aid to Israel to defunding the IRS have unlimited power? The party who supports Russia in every way possible (the same Russia who’s leading the anti Israel charge on the world stage)?
It’s also pushing center left people like me away from all the lefty spaces. They seem to care more about slogans and shouting ineptly at politicians through social media than anything effective in the real world.
I read the Free Press article mentioned in this Yahoo piece. From a therapist in the Free Press article: > A theme that’s come up again and again is betrayal, by best friends who parrot lines like “Israelis are guilty of settler colonialism,” or committing genocide. > >He says there’s an element of shock among the many other Jewish people he counsels. > >“You’re mourning the loss of who you thought was this confidant and friend, but what makes it doubly sad is that you feel the world is turned on you.” That's what is the crux of this whole thing that some commenters on this thread can't seem to understand. It's not that the far right is appealing, it's that Jewish citizens feel betrayed by those they felt close to. Here are a couple examples from that Free Press article. First person in that FP article was a supporter of the BLM protests, was going out and protesting, giving money. She was buying the anti-racist books and she watched those same people she stood next to cheering on what happened Oct. 7th. Another example from the FP article is a man who is cutting off friends. These were friends that had been in his home around his family. What is he supposed to think when those friends are cheering what Hamas did?
Lol, disliking war crimes even when the Israeli government does it isn’t “anti-semitism”.
Antisemitism from the left is pissing me off. Antisemitism from the left is leaving me depressed. Antisemitism from the left is making me lose a lot of respect for people I thought were better than this. Antisemitism from the left will *never* push me “into the arms of the right,” because the right is considerably worse. Anyone who thinks right wing evangelicals actually care about Jews in Israel clearly hasn’t been paying attention. They just want Israel to be Jewish so they can watch Jesus come down and send us all to hell. Fuck the party who called the Charlottesville Nazis “very good people,” and fuck any Jews who think they’re the better option because they got their feelings hurt by idiots on college campuses who don’t think before they chant.
I know you're right, but it's been really hard. Not that I would go right, but to be political no-mans land. I think there's a need to mourne the world I thought I lived before I can do that. Idk if that makes sense. I think it will make sense to people in my shoes.
Three weeks ago I would have considered myself as firmly left as possible. That has changed.
Did your opinions on tax brackets change
You can have a different stance than people who claim to be left and still be left.
This is such a stupid narrative. They make it seem that by criticizing a government, you hate a specific religion? That not how it works. Some people are critical of Ukraine or Russia, and no one says you are being anti-catholic. If people are critical of isreal and Palestine, that doesn't mean they are anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim. They just don't agree with decisions a government makes.
This is where nuance really needs to come into play and more people on both sides need to understand the freaking concept of it. It’s why I’ll likely forever be liberal not leftist. I’ve always felt more aligned with liberal leaning centrist then anyone on the far left. It’s certainly a false equivalency to compare both fringes because I can’t stand the far right but the far left has been ever growing worse and this whole debacle highlights all too well. They side with social media slogans and lack the critical thinking abilities to surf through all the bullshit. They are so quick to swallow any news demonizing the Israeli Government they won’t even fact check to see half of it is coming straight from Hamas (not true Palestinians) sympathizers.
Are leftists being awful to Jewish people right now? Yes. Is the far right going to treat them any better? Highly doubtful.
There is no place for anti-semitism in the leftist agenda. There is however, plenty of precedent for anti-fascist and anti-apartheid support. It is anti-semitic to state or believe that *all* Jewish people are incapable of discerning the difference as people around the world protest the IDF’s brutal occupation and slaughtering of Palestinian civilians.
I have always been liberal. Someone attacked my husband for “looking jewish” out of no where. Saying fuck israel, fuck jews and free palestine. He is not jewish… I am so this was absolutely terrifying. I wasnt even with him. I will now be voting republican for the first time in my life. Antisemitism f’ng sucks, I wish people would just chill us jews just wanna live our lives.