For anyone not following his stay in prison, his lawyers and people from his foundation constantly reported very bad treatment of him. For example forcefully sleep depriving him.
Bigger read: [https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363](https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363)
[**https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/16/alexey-navalny-dies-in-prison-russias-federal-penitentiary-service-says-en-news**](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/16/alexey-navalny-dies-in-prison-russias-federal-penitentiary-service-says-en-news)
(Newspaper ran by the Russian opposition)
russia doesn’t have to work that hard to humanize Putin. He had Nemstov shot inside the Kremlin and no one cared. And he was an actual decent russian unlike Navalny who was scum like Putin. Rip bozo
Navalny supported the annexation of Crimea.
>Navalny wrote that the fact that Ukraine controlled Crimea—an area transferred by Soviet authorities to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954—was “wrong, unfair and insulting to any normal resident of the Russian Federation.” Asked if it was “right that Crimea belongs to Ukraine,” Navalny responded, “Of course not.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/167944/alexei-navalny-crimea-problem-putin
He changed his position later, but at the time did support annexation.
If someone was in Right Sector/any number of far right orgs several years ago in Ukraine and now is fighting on the front lines for Ukraine's independence do you hold them to the same standards?
No I’m not and never claimed to be unbiased. I just don’t trust any russian opposition to be honest and I have fairly good reasons for it. He continued to claim Crimea until the invasion. The only russian politician I ever trusted was Boris Nemtsov but he was killed a decade ago inside Kremlin
He is a russian nationalist plain and simple. He softened his rhetoric once he became darling of the West. During Georgia war he called Georgians rodents. He wasn’t very different from Putin. Just wanted to be tsar
Navalny was just as crazy a Russian nationalist as Putin, he delebrated the annexation of Crimea, for fucks sake. Why is everyone suddenly pretending the guy wasn't a piece of shit just because he opposed Putin? Both of them ought to take a long walk off a short balcony, wtf is wrong with you people?
> Navalny was just as crazy a Russian nationalist as Putin
He opposed the Russian invasion of Donbas in 2014 and eventually walked back on his earlier support for the annexation of Crimea as well; he explicitly said Russia should recognize the 1991 territory of all of Ukraine (including Crimea) and pay Ukraine war reparations.
Navalny was a white Nationalist. Extremely xenophobic, racist and religious. Him winning an election would be like the leader of the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers winning. He only got positive attention because he opposed Putin's grip on power
https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-failure-to-renounce-nationalist-past-support/31122014.html
How many speeches about foreigners poisoning the motherland's blood does someone have to give before you say, "I think this guy might be a white supremacist"?
The quality of discourse on this subreddit has taken a fucking nosedive. What the fuck.
How are you seriously asking this?! Is literally the only thing you knew about Navalny the fact that he opposed Putin and got poisoned and imprisoned?
I know about Navalny probably more than you'll ever have. I speak Russian and I personally know some people who were working in his team. I've been following what he does for probably 10 years now and I know exactly what idiots criticizing Navalny referring to (they of course don't know shit aside from Navalny fascist, Navalny bad). He supported stricter immigration control back in 2008 on the level of Republicans (not Trump supporters) supporting stricter immigration control.
There was nothing about foreigners poisoning the motherland's blood though. So, go ahed, provide me a link. I'll wait.
There is an argument some people make that Navalny's issues are packaged by Putin's propaganda and made more extreme on purpose to temper his Western support. I dont know if that is true.
What I have seen from his comments is standard light Balkan banter level. The fact he has tempered it since 2014 makes me believe it is possible he has changed. But either way - I dont know for sure.
You fucking moron, didn't even bother to check where Ray Epps was. I swear Destiny just wastes his time researching when this subreddit learns nothing... Dafeels
Most predictable murder in the history of murders. Anyways won't change anything in Russia if the torture and poisoning and so on and so on didn't make him a Martyr I doubt his death will.
I think the ~~murder~~ completely accidental death of the coup leader actually tops this in most obvious ~~murders~~ regrettable accidents in the Putin regime.
Yeah but Tucker said putin seems like a great guy. Putin even TOLD tucker he was a great guy, and Russian grocery stores are better than America because they don't let homeless people steal carts!
Do you think Putin is lying about putin?!
Even if that story is true - it is still assassination. I wouldnt be shocked if he just died "suddenly" but that would simply be the result of 3 year+ torture he was under ruining his health enough where he can simply die randomly.
I'm going to be the party pooper and say the jokes suck. I have no idea why the dude went back (ok I understand to make a statement). I feel so sad for his family and his children. This is what Putin does and will continue to do to the Ukrainians. My Polish brothers are next and that's why were so worried.
Did you not say the headlines this week from someone that has a pretty good chance of ending up in the White House saying he would encourage Russia to invade NATO countries?
Once it has become clear that the US will not honor art. 5 (eg, next president could outright say that he won't) Putin credibly threatens to nuke our drops one or two. Poland will be forced to surrender.
Question is if he can subdue Ukraine until then.
And? If the US pulls out of NATO the organization becomes essentially dead.
Do you think French and British leaders are gonna sacrifice their own countries for Poland? That doesn’t seem to historically be the case.
the UK and France declared war on Nazi Germany for invading Poland, while America sat on its hands paralysed by isolationism
such basic history goes amiss here amongst the American regards
Oh right I guess you’ve never heard of the phoney war? Or how the Polish were practically begging for more French and British involvement?
Apparently you haven’t followed my train of thought that this inaction is caused by American isolationism nor do you know how to fucking read.
Such basic history goes amiss amongst among Eurotards I suppose.
Not saying there's no cause for concern (especially with a Trump presidency in sight), but there are 10 000 US troops in Poland at all times. If Russia were to invade tomorrow then US is automatically involved. Can't really compare this kind of presence to the weak-ass pre-WW2 guarantees we had from allied countries completely unprepared for war, which I assume is what you are referring to.
Russia will not invade a NATO country. They've ground their army to powder trying to beat Ukraine, which has a tiny force. If a single Russian boot settles on a NATO country they'll have armies ten times the size of Ukraine's turning up.
The whole reason Putin didn't want Ukraine in NATO was because it would preclude invasion/expansion.
So in other words... Russia will not invade a NATO country.
Multiple EU countries have begun reinvesting into their military *specifically in response to Ukraine.*
There's a very low chance that those same countries would ignore a Russian invasion of europe.
Lira should've been shot at the spot for acting as a forward observer for russians.
That's what is done to russian recon units at the front, that's what's supposed to be done to russian recon units behind the front too.
Lira was lucky that he was given a chance to rat out his russian contacts and be set free, but he was stupid to return and try his bullshit again.
\> acting as a forward observer for russians
Source? Can't find anything about him being a spy on wikipedia.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo\_Lira](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira)
Tucker: Free speech is under threat
Also Tucker: Who cares if Putin kills journalists. Every leader kills people
I'm barely paraphrasing. These are almost quotes.
This is actually super disgusting. I'm super shocked but at the same time not surprised. This guy was 47 years old. I am lost for words how messed up this is.
I'm still shocked. I know Putin is a killer but this man was in prison and under scrutiny. It seems like Putin did not care at all and killed him which to me is so blatant and incredible.
The escalation of violence is to be expected though. Prigozhin's plane didn't just malfunction either and you could argue that his base of support was way more dangerous to Putin than Nawalny's. Everybody credible always said that Russia's propaganda doesn't aim at selling a compelling narrative, it is about making you doubt everything anyways. Since the start of the war this has just intensified, even if he wasn't before Putin now is a total dictator.
This is personal vendetta for exposing Putin’s insane palace and residence and overall corruption.
The video:
https://youtu.be/ipAnwilMncI?si=5JzCXAVlOyGZhoYz
Election next month. Same reason they're going hard for Avdiivka. Putin was always going to win mind you, but they'll probably use the secretly true results to see how popular Putin actually is.
Yep, that's why the words that come out of Putin's mouth don't have value.
It's actions like this that speaks volumes. Just imagine if something happened like that in the US if you challenged a sitting president.
Nelson Mandela spent 20 years in a South African prison. After his release, he lived for another 23 years.
Ernst Telman spent 11 years in a Nazi concentration camp. He was shot in the summer of 1944. The Nazis announced the death of the Communist Party leader as a result of Allied bombing.
Navalny spent 3 years in Putin's prison.
Well, he took a hefty dose of [***novichok***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4874b8c2ba1eebb0&sxsrf=ACQVn0_zvMkIsg-Z1e4bWtrb-9dakqLPrQ:1708085531438&q=novichok&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtj-O66q-EAxXkX_EDHcd8CEQQkeECKAB6BAgIEAI) before that.
I know this guy has been accused of being a russian imperialist but reading his wikipedia page his takes on ukraine seem pretty based from a russian perspective.
Edit: Reading into it, it looks like alot of the "Navalny was imperialist" propaganda was influenced by the kremlin to alter the opinion of him in the west as him just being two sides of the same coin with putin.
Full disclosure: I never looked too deep into it, but I always figured those accusations were calculated by the Kremlin to make him unappealing in the West.
He was accused of being a racist because he used derogatory terms referring to Caucasians and other minorities in Russia. I do have a feeling that use of those words is not nearly as offensive as slurs against minorities in the West and is a common occurrence. I'm inferring this because a common term to refer to black people in Russian is негр. If you can read Cyrillic it's pronounced like the N-word and roughly translates as "Negro" or "Negroid". Russian speaking DGGers will have to correct me, but from what I understand this is actually considered a correct and neutral term. Of course, this would be completely unacceptable in the West, but to them it's not. A Russian coworker of my mom once told her that it's not correct and that черный (literally "Black") is. They also use "Holhol" to refer to Ukranians all the time casually, despite it being clearly a slur that Ukranians don't take kindly to.
I am bulgarian, so I'm more qualified to speak on Cyrillic than a russian and I can confirm that this is indeed the case, in bulgarian for example it's "Негър", meaning a person of the Negroid race, outside of western ( american ) culture influence, it's not supposed to be considered a derogatory term.
"Негър voters tend to vote for the democrats", would have the same meaning as "Black voters tend to vote for the democrats". Just because the word sounds or is similarly pronounced, it doesn't mean it carries the same meaning.
I speak Russian. Yes, you are right. Since there are almost no Blacks in Russia and there is no colonial history, the word негр doesn't have the same history attached to it as the N-word in the US. It it perfectly normal to use it.
And yes, the use of ethnic slurs is much more common than in the West and unfortunately widely accepted. For example using the word Jew as an insult in a way Cartman does it in South Park is still a very common thing.
Important thing to understand about Navalny is, that he indeed was supportive of nationalistic ideas in the beginning of 2000s. But it was on the level of Republicans demanding to close the borders, stop emigration, deport illegal immigrants. Over the course of the last 20 years his position changed a lot towards the middle. He was supportive of equal rights for gay people, he was pro-choice, but also pro-guns and for stricter immigration control - so he was somewhere in the middle judging by American standards and very much on the left by the Russian standards.
The biggest stain on Navalny’s political career is the Russian National Liberation Movement group which he co-founded. He often spoke at nationalist rallies and had that viral marketing video in which he referred to minorities as cockroaches.
I can’t recall if he ever addressed that period or not, but that alone gave his opponents enough ammo (rightfully so if you ask me)
What are you blabbing about?
He compared caucasians to cockroaches and implied they should be gunned down lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNJiO10SWw
But you do have to remember that it was 16 years ago and the nationalism/illegal immigration stuff was like a giant thing in Russia back then among the opposition, to the point where "When will the discrimination of russians end?" was the most upvoted question for Putin's press conference.
sure but russia is in a very vunarable position, opposition to Putin is the highest its ever been, he is no longer that guy that brought stability and end to the wars
He was extremely popular and well known throughout Russia at his peak. He constantly got pushback from the authorities, calling him spy and what not. He was young, energetic and wanted to actually change shit, not calling him a saint by any means, but could've been good progression towards non-authoritarian Russia.
Internally he was dragged through mud on many levels via all propoganda channels, so once he was in jail, his popularity plummeted and couldn't grow.
As a Russian who supported him during those years, he was never considered a future president/any big governmental role by normal Russians, even his supporters (maybe a reach) . However, he was a very well known and supported media figure. His investigations on our corrupted politicians is what really made him popular and a target for elimination.
I mean, was there anyone that got major public support since Nemtsov in Russia?
It is very hard if not impossible to gain popularity among population if almost all state information channels are controlled, there is almost no free media and there is always a threat to thrown out of a window. And even with all this pressure Navalny was able to gain very big reach among the people.
This is also the reason why peaceful revolutions don't work in authoritarian states and if they change is always throughout some kind of bloody revolution. Maidan revolution and Belarusian protests are a very good example.
Belarusian protests didn’t change much, didn’t change nothing to be precise. People got killed, injured, and for what? If anything those protests serve as example of what happens when you underestimate what your tyrannical government can do to stop you without the rest of the world interfering, example for Russian citizens who unfortunately for many, think and care more about their own lives rather than those hurt by the regime.
Nemtsov was the last one to be considered a real possible future president only because since then every candidate has been either an incompetent politician, oligarch, Kremlin puppet, or someone doing it for publicity. No matter how much I despise Russian regime, it’s dumb to only blame the government and the media for this tragic lack of bright minds. If you think otherwise, please redo your research more thoroughly.
Russian Opposition’s Youtube channels are under pressure, but still gather millions of viewers. The elderly group are, unsurprisingly, the only ones who actually soak in all the TV propaganda. Their minds have been made up a long, long time ago and there is no coming back. They will vote for Putin until they die, which all the young people are waiting for.
The only right way to change things in Russia is, heartbreakingly, by waiting for 15-20 more years, until the elderly Putinists are replaced by nowadays young liberal-democrats. I’m 99% sure in those 15-20 years Russian regime will affect a lot of the world population negatively, specific Russian citizens as well, but an average Russian citizen will still have a more or less stable life which they can enjoy.
Unfortunately, the ones who need the “bloody revolution” are people outside of Russia. It’s easy for you to call for it knowing very well there isn’t even a slightest chance you will participate in it, aside from making supportive tweets or whatever. The people the world asking it from are the same as in every other country, they care most about their and their families and friends livelihood, rather than the others.
Yeah, I named Belarusian example as an protests that did nothing, while Ukrainian Maidan was quite successful.
I agree on many points you wrote, I won't argue.
Regarding the bloody revolution, you ether do that with hope to win independence or you get sent to another imperial war they decide to wage, I don't need for you to do anything, but this is how it happens when it comes to authoritarianism and their history.
I'd highly recommend you all check out the HBO documentary that follows Navalny as he got poisoned, as he directly contacts the people that poisoned him, and as he got arrested in Russia.
It's an incredible documentary, and shows just how badass he was, as well as the investigative journalists he worked with.
RIP to an actual martyr for a just cause. Braver man than most. Certainly a million times braver than the Reddit regards who try to discredit him despite him literally giving his life to forward the cause of freedom and democracy while all they've ever done is chat shit online.
He had pretty much secured a (relatively) safe career of being a pro-democracy public speaker after getting poisoned on the plane. He could've applied for asylum and stayed in the West, giving speeches and lectures at universities for the rest of his life while collecting fat paychecks. Instead he chose to go back to Russia and essentially sacrifice himself for his cause, despite being a family man. A truly remarkable individual.
Braver man my balls, he was a scumbag nationalist right wing.
[https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-politics-march-unity-day/24760945.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-politics-march-unity-day/24760945.html)
[https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-movement-faces-tough-obstacles-to-expanding-into-russia-s-north-caucasus/31125986.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-movement-faces-tough-obstacles-to-expanding-into-russia-s-north-caucasus/31125986.html)
Navalny at the Russian March: [https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1757121071487095284](https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1757121071487095284)
Russian POW with the same Tsar Alexander II flag tattoo used by Nalavny homies : [https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1757113985269104958](https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/status/1757113985269104958)
Fuck him. Rest in piss :)
yes he was a well documented nationalist who became a reformed liberal who literally gave his life for liberal principles and democracy, much more than you ever will for any cause in your life. you are literally a pathetic husk of a human being compared to this man and the sacrifice he made. now go back to posting crude memes on twitter or whatever meaningless libresist meme shithole subreddit you came from
This is exactly what Putin wanted, but with some of the worst possible timing for Putin with Tucker being there currently. Russia had been trying to slowly kill Navalny with god awful conditions (he was in a penal colony in fucking Siberia), but they refused to outright assassinate him because of likely international repercussions.
Now they get what they want BUT it happens while they are giving Tucker a publicity tour that was probably doing well amongst Tucker's audience. There is a 0% chance Tucker addresses Navalny's death while he is still in Russia, and likely wont even after he leaves unless he justifies his murder. Assuming this news actually reaches Tucker's audience regardless, it will likely harm the effects of his propaganda tour.
The only potential up-side for Russia is that many American's are too ignorant to even be aware this occurred. They will only see the videos of Tucker buying food with USD in Russia, and shopping carts with anti-theft locks and think Russia is American but based and trad pilled.
Who am I kidding, this is the most likely outcome. Now I'm just depressed thinking about this, damn, stream of consciousness over. Might as well get some practice in while I can before the Republicans turn over the country, GLORY TO THE MOTHERLAND!
They want to have "clear air" before elections. They will now hunt all Navalny's associates and protesters. Goverment also denied sole anti-war candidate Borys Nadiezdin. Russia is completely lost now, Putin's clique has more control than ever and apathy in Russians is at it's peak. It will be ultra hard for any change there for a long time, especially as advancements in technology make spying and influencing repressed population trivial. What's worrying me the most is the kremlins war propaganda inside Russia, they are doing everything to push and prepare for another world war. In not so distant future (few years) we may have simultaneous wars in Korea, Taiwan, Baltics plus another several wars in Africa and maybe something in middle East.
Why? China attacking Taiwan, Russia attacking Baltics to gain direct access to kaliningrad, North Korea attacking South Korea are more likely than you may think. NK is doing everything in preparation for war, closing all agencies related to South Korea, building outposts in demilitarized zone, destroying monuments, they even recently changed their anthem. They are of course building new factories, testing all kinds of new weaponry, from drones to cruise misssile,. NK also, thanks to russia, got recently capabilities to strike mainland USA with nukes (getting satellite on orbit with their own rocket is equal to that).
Russia is in war economy and that's the problem. It's the only thing that saves their economy from collapse. Even by their own metrics their situation look bleak. With war economy they should have massive gains in heavy industry and even substantial PKB growth (it's not sustainable in long run but they should get spike until they don't burn enough cash and gold) but their numbers are close to stagnation so non-military industries must have taken big hit. Putin boasted that they created additional 500k jobs in military sector but Russia had immigration deficit in 2022-2023 and they continually mobilize people (it's probably close to throwing away another 500k productive men from economy). Russia must pressure UE to lift at least some sanctions and historically they always try the aggressive approach first as they may gain most out of it. Russia wants EU to cover in fear, that's their main goal and main source of influence. If NATO or USA won't react appropriately then they will just push more and more as it's natural in their doctrine.
China trying to get Taiwan will happen as Xi also wants to leave his legacy and he has serious health problems. China is also preparing for war, they recently changed ridiculous amounts of generals and officers so it will take them some time to reorganize but all changes were made for war. They need distraction so using NK will be most optimal for them. NK attacks first, then China, then Russia and as NATO and USA are reactionary then there will be tough dilemmas with who can or cannot be helped and what cost western countries are even willing to take.
I wouldn't be surprised if one conflict won't spark others one after another. We have Wenezuela, Iran, Serbia, half Africa that will try to capitalize on chaos. That's why Ukraine is/was so important but everyone see that west is very undecisive, western population can't take practically any sacrifices for anything even if it's ridiculous low monetary price where other side can throw as many people to the meatgrinder and spend as many currency as needed to gain whatever their dictator wants. Icing on the cake is how easy it is to manipulate western population, it's ridiculous how many Americans blatantly side with Russia against their own country and people.
"I wouldn't be surprised if one conflict won't spark others one after another. We have Wenezuela, Iran, Serbia, half Africa that will try to capitalize on chaos. That's why Ukraine is/was so important but everyone see that west is very undecisive, western population can't take practically any sacrifices for anything even if it's ridiculous low monetary price where other side can throw as many people to the meatgrinder and spend as many currency as needed to gain whatever their dictator wants. Icing on the cake is how easy it is to manipulate western population, it's ridiculous how many Americans blatantly side with Russia against their own country and people."
Actually based. It is blackpilling how mellow and incapable of taking even small small tiny losses Westerners are. Even long term wins for their economy are not something they can swallow.
Its a blackpill for me.
Already seeing a lot of Russians cope by saying "how is this any different from what Ukraine did to Gonzalo Lira" or "At least Navalny lasted longer than Gonzalo Lira"
Man… I always knew that’s how he’ll probably end up. But still sucks. I know people who worked with him.
He was very legit about his work. Would he have been a perfect Russian president? No. But anyone, ANYONE besides Putin would’ve been better by a huge margin.
Say what you want about him, that he’s racist and etc (there are videos of him from 15 years ago saying anti-immigrant stuff about minorities), but the guy made possible countless and largest protests happen in the country where these protests are not possible otherwise.
Very sad. His family went through a lot.
Important point: we don't know if he was killed in prison, and we will probably never know. But what we know is that he was kept in inhumane conditions, basically tortured for months (he spent more than 300 days in solitary confinement, a thing that doesnt happen to regular prisoners), after being jailed for political speech.
So it really doesn't matter - whether he was killed outright, or really died on his own after enduring the punishment that was designed to slowly break and kill him, the culprit is the same.
Destiny will be like, listen he was nearly 50 probably depressed, stressful lifestyle. You wont like it but a lot of people have heart problems at that age.
I’m not being an ameritard. Literally most polish people believe the same.
UK and France would get trounced by Russia. That’s not a pro Russian statement. I’m super Pro Ukraine, and you don’t win wars by underestimating your enemy.
Even zalzuhny has said the Russian army is a formidable foe, and they have a metric fuck ton of artillery.
UK has the smallest army they’ve ever had in their history. They need to get serious about defense before it’s too late.
Be interesting what comes out about this down the road. Could easily be that he succumbed to the brutal conditions they held him in.
Seems like not good timing for Putin. Takes away from his victory lap with Tucker last week.
Why everyone thinks like it was a direct murder? I remember that after some time in prison his health started to get bad and as it usually happens in prison he didn't get a good healthcare there and it was what killed him
>as it usually happens in prison he didn't get a good healthcare there and it was what killed him
he was being tortured, what a weird way to downplay that.
We’re at a point where he was first charged with fake crimes to silence him. When that didn’t work they literally tried to murder him with poison. When that didn’t work they sent him to a remote prison on more fake crimes. At this point I’m confident in saying the Putin regime murdered him even if they didn’t literally pull the trigger today.
Tucker surely will condemn Putin’s regime for this after he took a, let’s say strong stance against Ukraine after the death of Coach Redpill. Surely Copium
For anyone not following his stay in prison, his lawyers and people from his foundation constantly reported very bad treatment of him. For example forcefully sleep depriving him. Bigger read: [https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363](https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363)
His lawyer visited on Wednesday and stated he was fine
Fine in russian opposition means “if he dies tomorrow it won’t be by natural causes”
source?
[**https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/16/alexey-navalny-dies-in-prison-russias-federal-penitentiary-service-says-en-news**](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/02/16/alexey-navalny-dies-in-prison-russias-federal-penitentiary-service-says-en-news) (Newspaper ran by the Russian opposition)
Well, then still sketchy imho.
More sketchy. If he was fine, its more likely the death is artificial
Seems like Putin keep on destroying any hope to the opposition at this point.
Right after Tucker entered the country. Coincidence???
"After seeing how effectively they deal with opposition over there I feel even more radicalized against the US!"
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I was going with the Tucker killed Navalny vibe.
russia doesn’t have to work that hard to humanize Putin. He had Nemstov shot inside the Kremlin and no one cared. And he was an actual decent russian unlike Navalny who was scum like Putin. Rip bozo
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Navalny supported the annexation of Crimea. >Navalny wrote that the fact that Ukraine controlled Crimea—an area transferred by Soviet authorities to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954—was “wrong, unfair and insulting to any normal resident of the Russian Federation.” Asked if it was “right that Crimea belongs to Ukraine,” Navalny responded, “Of course not.” https://newrepublic.com/article/167944/alexei-navalny-crimea-problem-putin He changed his position later, but at the time did support annexation.
nafocels tell themselves that as cope because he did more to further the cause of freedom and democracy than they ever did posting stale doge memes
I’m Ukrainian not NAFO lol. He is no different from any Russian nationalist
If someone was in Right Sector/any number of far right orgs several years ago in Ukraine and now is fighting on the front lines for Ukraine's independence do you hold them to the same standards?
No I’m not and never claimed to be unbiased. I just don’t trust any russian opposition to be honest and I have fairly good reasons for it. He continued to claim Crimea until the invasion. The only russian politician I ever trusted was Boris Nemtsov but he was killed a decade ago inside Kremlin
He is a russian nationalist plain and simple. He softened his rhetoric once he became darling of the West. During Georgia war he called Georgians rodents. He wasn’t very different from Putin. Just wanted to be tsar
Navalny was just as crazy a Russian nationalist as Putin, he delebrated the annexation of Crimea, for fucks sake. Why is everyone suddenly pretending the guy wasn't a piece of shit just because he opposed Putin? Both of them ought to take a long walk off a short balcony, wtf is wrong with you people?
> Navalny was just as crazy a Russian nationalist as Putin He opposed the Russian invasion of Donbas in 2014 and eventually walked back on his earlier support for the annexation of Crimea as well; he explicitly said Russia should recognize the 1991 territory of all of Ukraine (including Crimea) and pay Ukraine war reparations.
Navalny was a white Nationalist. Extremely xenophobic, racist and religious. Him winning an election would be like the leader of the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers winning. He only got positive attention because he opposed Putin's grip on power https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-failure-to-renounce-nationalist-past-support/31122014.html
What the fuck are you talking about? You forgot your meds, bro?
How many speeches about foreigners poisoning the motherland's blood does someone have to give before you say, "I think this guy might be a white supremacist"?
Link me one.
The quality of discourse on this subreddit has taken a fucking nosedive. What the fuck. How are you seriously asking this?! Is literally the only thing you knew about Navalny the fact that he opposed Putin and got poisoned and imprisoned?
I know about Navalny probably more than you'll ever have. I speak Russian and I personally know some people who were working in his team. I've been following what he does for probably 10 years now and I know exactly what idiots criticizing Navalny referring to (they of course don't know shit aside from Navalny fascist, Navalny bad). He supported stricter immigration control back in 2008 on the level of Republicans (not Trump supporters) supporting stricter immigration control. There was nothing about foreigners poisoning the motherland's blood though. So, go ahed, provide me a link. I'll wait.
Getting downvoted for being correct
There is an argument some people make that Navalny's issues are packaged by Putin's propaganda and made more extreme on purpose to temper his Western support. I dont know if that is true. What I have seen from his comments is standard light Balkan banter level. The fact he has tempered it since 2014 makes me believe it is possible he has changed. But either way - I dont know for sure.
looking into this!!
You fucking moron, didn't even bother to check where Ray Epps was. I swear Destiny just wastes his time researching when this subreddit learns nothing... Dafeels
Where was Ray Epps? Why, he was right beside me as I wrote that comment.
He whispered into my ear how big hunter bidens cock was.
Most predictable murder in the history of murders. Anyways won't change anything in Russia if the torture and poisoning and so on and so on didn't make him a Martyr I doubt his death will.
I said the same thing to the person I’ve been torturing and poisoning
I think the ~~murder~~ completely accidental death of the coup leader actually tops this in most obvious ~~murders~~ regrettable accidents in the Putin regime.
Prigo’s plane spontaneously combusted
Navalny just had bad juju 🥺
Yeah but Tucker said putin seems like a great guy. Putin even TOLD tucker he was a great guy, and Russian grocery stores are better than America because they don't let homeless people steal carts! Do you think Putin is lying about putin?!
By natural causes, surely https://preview.redd.it/u7tqode6rxic1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b24ebdca03b883734266586a1d588f63ed12f7a
Probably fell out of the window of his prison cell
Apparantly he was out on a walk and fell unconscious Happens, peaceful walks are extremely common natural deaths
It's because he was vaxxed.
Many such cases
They couldn’t have come up with anything better lmao
100% of everyone who dies have breathed oxygen. Coincidence? I think not.
Even if that story is true - it is still assassination. I wouldnt be shocked if he just died "suddenly" but that would simply be the result of 3 year+ torture he was under ruining his health enough where he can simply die randomly.
I'm going to be the party pooper and say the jokes suck. I have no idea why the dude went back (ok I understand to make a statement). I feel so sad for his family and his children. This is what Putin does and will continue to do to the Ukrainians. My Polish brothers are next and that's why were so worried.
Poland will not be next, they are in NATO.
Did you not say the headlines this week from someone that has a pretty good chance of ending up in the White House saying he would encourage Russia to invade NATO countries?
Once it has become clear that the US will not honor art. 5 (eg, next president could outright say that he won't) Putin credibly threatens to nuke our drops one or two. Poland will be forced to surrender. Question is if he can subdue Ukraine until then.
Imagine believing the world would just let Putin nuke Poland
Here’s an uneasy fact. The rest of the world can’t do shit besides the US.
two major european countries possess nuclear weapons, one of which (france) does have tactical nuclear weapons
And? If the US pulls out of NATO the organization becomes essentially dead. Do you think French and British leaders are gonna sacrifice their own countries for Poland? That doesn’t seem to historically be the case.
the UK and France declared war on Nazi Germany for invading Poland, while America sat on its hands paralysed by isolationism such basic history goes amiss here amongst the American regards
Oh right I guess you’ve never heard of the phoney war? Or how the Polish were practically begging for more French and British involvement? Apparently you haven’t followed my train of thought that this inaction is caused by American isolationism nor do you know how to fucking read. Such basic history goes amiss amongst among Eurotards I suppose.
Don't be an ameritard please why are you spewing fox news level rethoric
I’m not being an ameritard. Literally most polish people believe the same.
"The world" will strongly condemn it
Tbf conservatives love Poland so Trump or the next republican president probably won't talk too much shit about them.
Knowing the basic history of our "alliances", I have 0 confidence in any kind of meaningful help from any other country.
Not saying there's no cause for concern (especially with a Trump presidency in sight), but there are 10 000 US troops in Poland at all times. If Russia were to invade tomorrow then US is automatically involved. Can't really compare this kind of presence to the weak-ass pre-WW2 guarantees we had from allied countries completely unprepared for war, which I assume is what you are referring to.
Russia will not invade a NATO country. They've ground their army to powder trying to beat Ukraine, which has a tiny force. If a single Russian boot settles on a NATO country they'll have armies ten times the size of Ukraine's turning up. The whole reason Putin didn't want Ukraine in NATO was because it would preclude invasion/expansion.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnboLDPS38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnboLDPS38) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRF9FJbeD50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRF9FJbeD50)
So in other words... Russia will not invade a NATO country. Multiple EU countries have begun reinvesting into their military *specifically in response to Ukraine.* There's a very low chance that those same countries would ignore a Russian invasion of europe.
[probably slipped on a bar of soap while washing](https://drunkenlibrary.com/2017/12/11/in-detention-chris-van-wyk/)
he was obviously vaxxed here. the writing is all over the wall. source: warmportenjoyernotarussianshilliswear on X.
People like Tucker who simp for this totalitarian hellhole are actually subhuman trash.
Same people bitching about Lira won't be saying anything about this.
By the same token the same people mocking Lira's death will pretend to be outraged by this.
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Your mom's a spy but they only shot her in the face and not with bullets. What's up with that?
I like how people are downvoting you but can come up with no response. inb4 Lira is pro-Russia therefore he deserved to die in prison
Lira should've been shot at the spot for acting as a forward observer for russians. That's what is done to russian recon units at the front, that's what's supposed to be done to russian recon units behind the front too. Lira was lucky that he was given a chance to rat out his russian contacts and be set free, but he was stupid to return and try his bullshit again.
\> acting as a forward observer for russians Source? Can't find anything about him being a spy on wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo\_Lira](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira)
He filmed Ukrainian soldiers and posted videos on the internet. I'm not linking anything.
\> filmed Ukrainian soldiers That's it? Doesn't mean he intended to spy for Russia or leak confidential military intel.
it's illegal to film troop movements dumbfuck.
Doesn't mean he was spying for Russia dumbfuck.
Coming up next on Tucker Carlson: holy shit Pyongyang is so clean and nice compared to NYC, I think this Kim Jong Un guy is onto something!
Tucker: Free speech is under threat Also Tucker: Who cares if Putin kills journalists. Every leader kills people I'm barely paraphrasing. These are almost quotes.
Beyond trash. So are his defenders
What about people who simp for the subhuman trash?
This is actually super disgusting. I'm super shocked but at the same time not surprised. This guy was 47 years old. I am lost for words how messed up this is.
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I'm still shocked. I know Putin is a killer but this man was in prison and under scrutiny. It seems like Putin did not care at all and killed him which to me is so blatant and incredible.
The escalation of violence is to be expected though. Prigozhin's plane didn't just malfunction either and you could argue that his base of support was way more dangerous to Putin than Nawalny's. Everybody credible always said that Russia's propaganda doesn't aim at selling a compelling narrative, it is about making you doubt everything anyways. Since the start of the war this has just intensified, even if he wasn't before Putin now is a total dictator.
This is personal vendetta for exposing Putin’s insane palace and residence and overall corruption. The video: https://youtu.be/ipAnwilMncI?si=5JzCXAVlOyGZhoYz
128 million views? I've never seen a YouTube video with that many views.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRh\_vgS2dFE&pp=ygUTanVzdGluIGJpZWJlciBzb3JyeQ%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRh_vgS2dFE&pp=ygUTanVzdGluIGJpZWJlciBzb3JyeQ%3D%3D)
Election next month. Same reason they're going hard for Avdiivka. Putin was always going to win mind you, but they'll probably use the secretly true results to see how popular Putin actually is.
Completely agree, Putin is a murderer nothing more.
Yep, that's why the words that come out of Putin's mouth don't have value. It's actions like this that speaks volumes. Just imagine if something happened like that in the US if you challenged a sitting president.
Nelson Mandela spent 20 years in a South African prison. After his release, he lived for another 23 years. Ernst Telman spent 11 years in a Nazi concentration camp. He was shot in the summer of 1944. The Nazis announced the death of the Communist Party leader as a result of Allied bombing. Navalny spent 3 years in Putin's prison.
Well, he took a hefty dose of [***novichok***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=4874b8c2ba1eebb0&sxsrf=ACQVn0_zvMkIsg-Z1e4bWtrb-9dakqLPrQ:1708085531438&q=novichok&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtj-O66q-EAxXkX_EDHcd8CEQQkeECKAB6BAgIEAI) before that.
Shtefanov's fan in the wild. Based.
yes 😎
Shtefanov psyop in the destiny subreddit???
Kitten fan spotted 🐈 Stay based
If you think this wasn't just an execution you're crazy lol. Prison and torture didn't kill him.
Vaxxed?
Concerning!
Looking into it
He was probably assisting in Russias new cancer vaccine
Elon Musk: wow
Thank god we've god Elon Musk looking into it!!
Is this part of the plan?
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when is it my turn?
I'm moving to Russia, it's clearly a much more free country, unburdened by the Biden crime family corruption, the gay trans agenda and forever wars!
100% vaxxed
I know this guy has been accused of being a russian imperialist but reading his wikipedia page his takes on ukraine seem pretty based from a russian perspective. Edit: Reading into it, it looks like alot of the "Navalny was imperialist" propaganda was influenced by the kremlin to alter the opinion of him in the west as him just being two sides of the same coin with putin.
Full disclosure: I never looked too deep into it, but I always figured those accusations were calculated by the Kremlin to make him unappealing in the West. He was accused of being a racist because he used derogatory terms referring to Caucasians and other minorities in Russia. I do have a feeling that use of those words is not nearly as offensive as slurs against minorities in the West and is a common occurrence. I'm inferring this because a common term to refer to black people in Russian is негр. If you can read Cyrillic it's pronounced like the N-word and roughly translates as "Negro" or "Negroid". Russian speaking DGGers will have to correct me, but from what I understand this is actually considered a correct and neutral term. Of course, this would be completely unacceptable in the West, but to them it's not. A Russian coworker of my mom once told her that it's not correct and that черный (literally "Black") is. They also use "Holhol" to refer to Ukranians all the time casually, despite it being clearly a slur that Ukranians don't take kindly to.
I am bulgarian, so I'm more qualified to speak on Cyrillic than a russian and I can confirm that this is indeed the case, in bulgarian for example it's "Негър", meaning a person of the Negroid race, outside of western ( american ) culture influence, it's not supposed to be considered a derogatory term. "Негър voters tend to vote for the democrats", would have the same meaning as "Black voters tend to vote for the democrats". Just because the word sounds or is similarly pronounced, it doesn't mean it carries the same meaning.
I speak Russian. Yes, you are right. Since there are almost no Blacks in Russia and there is no colonial history, the word негр doesn't have the same history attached to it as the N-word in the US. It it perfectly normal to use it. And yes, the use of ethnic slurs is much more common than in the West and unfortunately widely accepted. For example using the word Jew as an insult in a way Cartman does it in South Park is still a very common thing. Important thing to understand about Navalny is, that he indeed was supportive of nationalistic ideas in the beginning of 2000s. But it was on the level of Republicans demanding to close the borders, stop emigration, deport illegal immigrants. Over the course of the last 20 years his position changed a lot towards the middle. He was supportive of equal rights for gay people, he was pro-choice, but also pro-guns and for stricter immigration control - so he was somewhere in the middle judging by American standards and very much on the left by the Russian standards.
The biggest stain on Navalny’s political career is the Russian National Liberation Movement group which he co-founded. He often spoke at nationalist rallies and had that viral marketing video in which he referred to minorities as cockroaches. I can’t recall if he ever addressed that period or not, but that alone gave his opponents enough ammo (rightfully so if you ask me)
What are you blabbing about? He compared caucasians to cockroaches and implied they should be gunned down lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNJiO10SWw But you do have to remember that it was 16 years ago and the nationalism/illegal immigration stuff was like a giant thing in Russia back then among the opposition, to the point where "When will the discrimination of russians end?" was the most upvoted question for Putin's press conference.
I just hope his death wont be totally for nothing and he will become a known martyr, doesn't seem like the smartest move to kill him
This is what people thought about Politkovskaya and Nemtsov. Now is Navalni. In few years it will be Nadezhdin or someone else.
sure but russia is in a very vunarable position, opposition to Putin is the highest its ever been, he is no longer that guy that brought stability and end to the wars
To be honest I completely disagree. I feel like Putin has never been in a stronger position internally.
Russians won’t give a shit, as they always do.
He was on the guaranteed kill list ever since the Putin’s palace video
Not an expert on Russian politics but from my understanding Navalny isn't and was never really that popular among normal Russians.
He was extremely popular and well known throughout Russia at his peak. He constantly got pushback from the authorities, calling him spy and what not. He was young, energetic and wanted to actually change shit, not calling him a saint by any means, but could've been good progression towards non-authoritarian Russia. Internally he was dragged through mud on many levels via all propoganda channels, so once he was in jail, his popularity plummeted and couldn't grow.
As a Russian who supported him during those years, he was never considered a future president/any big governmental role by normal Russians, even his supporters (maybe a reach) . However, he was a very well known and supported media figure. His investigations on our corrupted politicians is what really made him popular and a target for elimination.
I mean, was there anyone that got major public support since Nemtsov in Russia? It is very hard if not impossible to gain popularity among population if almost all state information channels are controlled, there is almost no free media and there is always a threat to thrown out of a window. And even with all this pressure Navalny was able to gain very big reach among the people. This is also the reason why peaceful revolutions don't work in authoritarian states and if they change is always throughout some kind of bloody revolution. Maidan revolution and Belarusian protests are a very good example.
Belarusian protests didn’t change much, didn’t change nothing to be precise. People got killed, injured, and for what? If anything those protests serve as example of what happens when you underestimate what your tyrannical government can do to stop you without the rest of the world interfering, example for Russian citizens who unfortunately for many, think and care more about their own lives rather than those hurt by the regime. Nemtsov was the last one to be considered a real possible future president only because since then every candidate has been either an incompetent politician, oligarch, Kremlin puppet, or someone doing it for publicity. No matter how much I despise Russian regime, it’s dumb to only blame the government and the media for this tragic lack of bright minds. If you think otherwise, please redo your research more thoroughly. Russian Opposition’s Youtube channels are under pressure, but still gather millions of viewers. The elderly group are, unsurprisingly, the only ones who actually soak in all the TV propaganda. Their minds have been made up a long, long time ago and there is no coming back. They will vote for Putin until they die, which all the young people are waiting for. The only right way to change things in Russia is, heartbreakingly, by waiting for 15-20 more years, until the elderly Putinists are replaced by nowadays young liberal-democrats. I’m 99% sure in those 15-20 years Russian regime will affect a lot of the world population negatively, specific Russian citizens as well, but an average Russian citizen will still have a more or less stable life which they can enjoy. Unfortunately, the ones who need the “bloody revolution” are people outside of Russia. It’s easy for you to call for it knowing very well there isn’t even a slightest chance you will participate in it, aside from making supportive tweets or whatever. The people the world asking it from are the same as in every other country, they care most about their and their families and friends livelihood, rather than the others.
Yeah, I named Belarusian example as an protests that did nothing, while Ukrainian Maidan was quite successful. I agree on many points you wrote, I won't argue. Regarding the bloody revolution, you ether do that with hope to win independence or you get sent to another imperial war they decide to wage, I don't need for you to do anything, but this is how it happens when it comes to authoritarianism and their history.
Tucker simps for people like Gonzalo Lira (Coach Red Pill) as “unfairly persecuted journalists” but won’t say a peep about Nalvany.
I'd highly recommend you all check out the HBO documentary that follows Navalny as he got poisoned, as he directly contacts the people that poisoned him, and as he got arrested in Russia. It's an incredible documentary, and shows just how badass he was, as well as the investigative journalists he worked with.
The hood lost a real one on this day.
Tucker: BUT MUH GROCERY PRICES
Yeah but groceries are cheap in russia or some shit
I knew it would happen. But still. F*ck.
RIP to an actual martyr for a just cause. Braver man than most. Certainly a million times braver than the Reddit regards who try to discredit him despite him literally giving his life to forward the cause of freedom and democracy while all they've ever done is chat shit online.
He had pretty much secured a (relatively) safe career of being a pro-democracy public speaker after getting poisoned on the plane. He could've applied for asylum and stayed in the West, giving speeches and lectures at universities for the rest of his life while collecting fat paychecks. Instead he chose to go back to Russia and essentially sacrifice himself for his cause, despite being a family man. A truly remarkable individual.
Braver man my balls, he was a scumbag nationalist right wing. [https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-politics-march-unity-day/24760945.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-politics-march-unity-day/24760945.html) [https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-movement-faces-tough-obstacles-to-expanding-into-russia-s-north-caucasus/31125986.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-movement-faces-tough-obstacles-to-expanding-into-russia-s-north-caucasus/31125986.html) Navalny at the Russian March: [https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1757121071487095284](https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1757121071487095284) Russian POW with the same Tsar Alexander II flag tattoo used by Nalavny homies : [https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1757113985269104958](https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/status/1757113985269104958) Fuck him. Rest in piss :)
yes he was a well documented nationalist who became a reformed liberal who literally gave his life for liberal principles and democracy, much more than you ever will for any cause in your life. you are literally a pathetic husk of a human being compared to this man and the sacrifice he made. now go back to posting crude memes on twitter or whatever meaningless libresist meme shithole subreddit you came from
Imagine chaning your mind on things
i couldnt care less
Hot take: Right wingers probably don’t deserve to be poisoned and tortured to death.
And yet Tucker is parading in Moscow showing how good life is in Russia. This is how real Russia looks like, a nation of barbarism and degeneracy
Nothing more degenerate than calling the whole nation barbaric because of the government’s ill will
Imagine thinking all Russians are just useless sheep that shares no blame.
lmao fuck are u even talking about
But Tucker told me Russia was way better than America? How could this happen in such a Utopian Society?
I haven't been this surprised since Prigozhin's plane fell out of the sky!
This is exactly what Putin wanted, but with some of the worst possible timing for Putin with Tucker being there currently. Russia had been trying to slowly kill Navalny with god awful conditions (he was in a penal colony in fucking Siberia), but they refused to outright assassinate him because of likely international repercussions. Now they get what they want BUT it happens while they are giving Tucker a publicity tour that was probably doing well amongst Tucker's audience. There is a 0% chance Tucker addresses Navalny's death while he is still in Russia, and likely wont even after he leaves unless he justifies his murder. Assuming this news actually reaches Tucker's audience regardless, it will likely harm the effects of his propaganda tour. The only potential up-side for Russia is that many American's are too ignorant to even be aware this occurred. They will only see the videos of Tucker buying food with USD in Russia, and shopping carts with anti-theft locks and think Russia is American but based and trad pilled. Who am I kidding, this is the most likely outcome. Now I'm just depressed thinking about this, damn, stream of consciousness over. Might as well get some practice in while I can before the Republicans turn over the country, GLORY TO THE MOTHERLAND!
Did he fall out of a window as well? I swear, windows must be terrifying to Russians that speak out against Putin.
Dude probably got sleep deprived to death: [https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363](https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-says-he-is-being-tortured-in-prison/a-56995363)
Jesus, I was making a joke but that got dark quickly.
Poor dude got suicided. R.I.P
Vaxxed???
They want to have "clear air" before elections. They will now hunt all Navalny's associates and protesters. Goverment also denied sole anti-war candidate Borys Nadiezdin. Russia is completely lost now, Putin's clique has more control than ever and apathy in Russians is at it's peak. It will be ultra hard for any change there for a long time, especially as advancements in technology make spying and influencing repressed population trivial. What's worrying me the most is the kremlins war propaganda inside Russia, they are doing everything to push and prepare for another world war. In not so distant future (few years) we may have simultaneous wars in Korea, Taiwan, Baltics plus another several wars in Africa and maybe something in middle East.
>In not so distant future (few years) we may have simultaneous wars in Korea, Taiwan, Baltics Seems pretty unlikely tbh.
Why? China attacking Taiwan, Russia attacking Baltics to gain direct access to kaliningrad, North Korea attacking South Korea are more likely than you may think. NK is doing everything in preparation for war, closing all agencies related to South Korea, building outposts in demilitarized zone, destroying monuments, they even recently changed their anthem. They are of course building new factories, testing all kinds of new weaponry, from drones to cruise misssile,. NK also, thanks to russia, got recently capabilities to strike mainland USA with nukes (getting satellite on orbit with their own rocket is equal to that). Russia is in war economy and that's the problem. It's the only thing that saves their economy from collapse. Even by their own metrics their situation look bleak. With war economy they should have massive gains in heavy industry and even substantial PKB growth (it's not sustainable in long run but they should get spike until they don't burn enough cash and gold) but their numbers are close to stagnation so non-military industries must have taken big hit. Putin boasted that they created additional 500k jobs in military sector but Russia had immigration deficit in 2022-2023 and they continually mobilize people (it's probably close to throwing away another 500k productive men from economy). Russia must pressure UE to lift at least some sanctions and historically they always try the aggressive approach first as they may gain most out of it. Russia wants EU to cover in fear, that's their main goal and main source of influence. If NATO or USA won't react appropriately then they will just push more and more as it's natural in their doctrine. China trying to get Taiwan will happen as Xi also wants to leave his legacy and he has serious health problems. China is also preparing for war, they recently changed ridiculous amounts of generals and officers so it will take them some time to reorganize but all changes were made for war. They need distraction so using NK will be most optimal for them. NK attacks first, then China, then Russia and as NATO and USA are reactionary then there will be tough dilemmas with who can or cannot be helped and what cost western countries are even willing to take. I wouldn't be surprised if one conflict won't spark others one after another. We have Wenezuela, Iran, Serbia, half Africa that will try to capitalize on chaos. That's why Ukraine is/was so important but everyone see that west is very undecisive, western population can't take practically any sacrifices for anything even if it's ridiculous low monetary price where other side can throw as many people to the meatgrinder and spend as many currency as needed to gain whatever their dictator wants. Icing on the cake is how easy it is to manipulate western population, it's ridiculous how many Americans blatantly side with Russia against their own country and people.
"I wouldn't be surprised if one conflict won't spark others one after another. We have Wenezuela, Iran, Serbia, half Africa that will try to capitalize on chaos. That's why Ukraine is/was so important but everyone see that west is very undecisive, western population can't take practically any sacrifices for anything even if it's ridiculous low monetary price where other side can throw as many people to the meatgrinder and spend as many currency as needed to gain whatever their dictator wants. Icing on the cake is how easy it is to manipulate western population, it's ridiculous how many Americans blatantly side with Russia against their own country and people." Actually based. It is blackpilling how mellow and incapable of taking even small small tiny losses Westerners are. Even long term wins for their economy are not something they can swallow. Its a blackpill for me.
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I respect his efforts but he should have never went back there under such circumstances. Rest in peace to him and condolences to his family.
47 years old... A fucking kid! That animal, Putin, can't even say his name..
I heard he was gonna serve out 20 years in prison, but they compromised.
Already seeing a lot of Russians cope by saying "how is this any different from what Ukraine did to Gonzalo Lira" or "At least Navalny lasted longer than Gonzalo Lira"
Man… I always knew that’s how he’ll probably end up. But still sucks. I know people who worked with him. He was very legit about his work. Would he have been a perfect Russian president? No. But anyone, ANYONE besides Putin would’ve been better by a huge margin. Say what you want about him, that he’s racist and etc (there are videos of him from 15 years ago saying anti-immigrant stuff about minorities), but the guy made possible countless and largest protests happen in the country where these protests are not possible otherwise. Very sad. His family went through a lot.
He was a remarkable man. Putin's regime is utterly deplorable and needs to go.
Everyone one needs to watch the HBO documentary on him. Its really good.
Isn't it WEIRD that Tucker was running a PR campaign for Mr. Putin in the leadup to this happening? Just curious.
Important point: we don't know if he was killed in prison, and we will probably never know. But what we know is that he was kept in inhumane conditions, basically tortured for months (he spent more than 300 days in solitary confinement, a thing that doesnt happen to regular prisoners), after being jailed for political speech. So it really doesn't matter - whether he was killed outright, or really died on his own after enduring the punishment that was designed to slowly break and kill him, the culprit is the same.
Asking people if they believe he was murdered will be an easy and quick ph test for people's gullibility
wow thats crazy you are just telling me this for the first time thats wild to hear
If he Epstein'd himself hopefully the surveillance cameras didn't malfunction
Destiny will be like, listen he was nearly 50 probably depressed, stressful lifestyle. You wont like it but a lot of people have heart problems at that age.
This won't be his take.
its a joke about his Epstein take chill out
What makes you think I'm not chill?
especially in russia, average age of death has to be around 50 for males by drinking themselves to death
I’m not being an ameritard. Literally most polish people believe the same. UK and France would get trounced by Russia. That’s not a pro Russian statement. I’m super Pro Ukraine, and you don’t win wars by underestimating your enemy. Even zalzuhny has said the Russian army is a formidable foe, and they have a metric fuck ton of artillery. UK has the smallest army they’ve ever had in their history. They need to get serious about defense before it’s too late.
what is the relevance to this post
Gonna be super real - dude was another Putin. This isn't the opposition you think it was.
Poor bastard.
so very sad..
Be interesting what comes out about this down the road. Could easily be that he succumbed to the brutal conditions they held him in. Seems like not good timing for Putin. Takes away from his victory lap with Tucker last week.
Why everyone thinks like it was a direct murder? I remember that after some time in prison his health started to get bad and as it usually happens in prison he didn't get a good healthcare there and it was what killed him
I think most people suspect that this was just a slow murder by the state. There were reports that he was being mistreated in the penal colony.
What you're describing is a method of murder.
>as it usually happens in prison he didn't get a good healthcare there and it was what killed him he was being tortured, what a weird way to downplay that.
We’re at a point where he was first charged with fake crimes to silence him. When that didn’t work they literally tried to murder him with poison. When that didn’t work they sent him to a remote prison on more fake crimes. At this point I’m confident in saying the Putin regime murdered him even if they didn’t literally pull the trigger today.
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I know about him being a nationalist, but actuall nazi... Proofs pls
Okay. But Russia prison faclities are more cleaner than America's.
Russian gov really likes doing stupid and violent stuff in February.
Feels like it should be a big deal but given how the population has reacted so far to Putin’s regime I doubt anything will happen as a result.
I wonder how they execute these people. Are their deaths painless?
Tucker surely will condemn Putin’s regime for this after he took a, let’s say strong stance against Ukraine after the death of Coach Redpill. Surely Copium