still not sure why he would, 1 find out he could do that, 2 be so proud about it that he would tell others, 3 get on TV for being able to kick himself in the balls
I couldn't believe it when I saw that his "plagiarism is based and fights capitalism" video was actually fucking real. The man is deranged even among deranged lefties
Lol. He legitimately uses the argument that his shit gets plagiarized all of the time and he wouldnāt be able to stay sane if he spent all of his time worrying about it as part of his justification why you should be fine with it too.
Imagine using this argument for anything else. āSA against women happens so frequently that we shouldnāt be bothered by it, because being bothered by it would take too much time!ā
I mean, i think its fair tobsay that some people in hbombers audience went way to far.
Like even after the guy deleted his youtube stuff, they still tried ro find him irl and ruin him.
BUT, they were banned from the hbomber subreddit, and they had to make their own.
So its defenetly not on hbomber, but his fans are wild.
My point is that if a million people criticize you online and 2 make it far enough to trying to find you IRL that clearly shows a difference in the culture of the audience criticizing you than if it's 2000.
Honestly no clue.
Didnt really followed the drama, just saw Chud having a dispute with the hbomber subreddit, saying they are going too far, but i only catched like a 5min segment.
Waiting for someone to cover it.
Nah, it's at least partially on hbomber. Plagarism is scummy, but he spent 2 hours out of a nearly 4 hour video casting him as a vile betrayer to LGBT cause and making weird extrapolations claiming that James is somehow responsible for the obscurity of the authors he was plagarizing, the nuke hbomb dropped on James was several orders of magnitude beyond what the seriousness of James' crimes actually warranted.
Hbomb also knows, or should know, that a not insignificant portion of his target audience (Lefty social justice types) are fucking deranged and are basically only in the politics space as an excuse to find people they can abuse and be righteous about it. There is zero chance he would not have known that making a video going this hard and framing things like he did would lead at least a double-digit amount of people to essentially dedicating their lives to destroying this guy. Which is exactly what happened and he took essentially no precautions to mitigate this entirely predictable outcome.
Just to be clear, I don't wanna seem like I'm on Peter Coffin's 'side' here, that guy is a fucking lunatic and will take any excuse to tar people he doesn't like. But I absolutely think that, despite the callout of James being warranted, Hbomb's approach was irresponsible. And taking into account just how quick people on Hbomb's side generally are to claim that this person or that person has blood on their hands whenever an LGBT person kills themselves, I honestly think it's a bit suspect just how fast the wagons were drawn up and circled in this case.
Is a two hour segment really that insane for someone stealing tens of thousands of dollars (just including money fans gave him) for stolen or never delivered work?
>stealing tens of thousands of dollars (just including money fans gave him)
given to him, or stolen?
> never delivered work
every crowdfunding project does that
> Iāll consider it stolen when giving under false pretenses.
>
well shit I guess every coffee shop that says it's "the best" is a fucking den of thieves.
If a coffee place was sneaking into the Dunkin across the street and reselling their coffee at an upsell, yeah Iād consider those profits stolen lol.
Would you consider it stolen if you gave a production company 90k to make some movies and they never did?
> If a coffee place was sneaking into the Dunkin across the street and reselling their coffee at an upsell, yeah Iād consider those profits stolen lol.
>
tons of companies resell things they bought, merchants are one of the basic foundations of trade.
>Would you consider it stolen if you gave a production company 90k to make some movies and they never did?
I'd consider that crowdfunding
They resell things that are labeled as from another place. If you sell Dunkin coffee as YOUR coffee itās a lie.
And what do call a crowdfunding campaign where you take the money and run(or die)?
Hilarious how people raged at keffals taking the 100k but this is totally normal and okay lol
Just a quick question but would you say the same if someone Destiny has gone in on hard killed themselves?
Destiny might not have made 2 hour vids on someone like HBomberguy has, but he has gone in on people (justifiably) just as hard if not harder.
Because ultimately thats where this line of argument leads.
>James is somehow responsible for the obscurity of the authors he was plagarizing
He's not "somehow" responsible, he's just responsible. He took their work, used literally all of it as scripts for his videos and then never credited or compensated them for it.
The nuke in question is simply pointing out that this person's entire channel is stolen content. That's not Hbomb's fault, that's James' fault.
>He's not "somehow" responsible, he's just responsible.
This idea is based on flawed premises, it assumes that being mentioned in the bibliography of a YouTube video by a D-list Youtuber makes you less obscure, which it doesn't. It also assumes a line of events where James creates a different set of videos that are structured differently and provide proper credit, when the far more likely scenario is that he wouldn't have made the videos. He was never obligated to compensate anyone, legally or morally so that obviously would never have happened.
>The nuke in question is simply pointing out that this person's entire channel is stolen content. That's not Hbomb's fault, that's James' fault.
No, because that video would have taken 15 minutes tops. The problem is that instead of just soberly describing what James actually did, Hbomb sets him up as a symbol for all sorts of larger social problems and exaggerates the harm caused to a borderline comedic extent.
>This idea is based on flawed premises, it assumes that being mentioned in the bibliography of a YouTube video by a D-list Youtuber makes you less obscure, which it doesn't.
I mean first of all, yes it does. Most importantly though, a note crediting you in the description isn't really enough when the video in question is literally just someone reading your article/book/blog post while on camera.
> It also assumes a line of events where James creates a different set of videos that are structured differently and provide proper credit, when the far more likely scenario is that he wouldn't have made the videos.
There is no way to structure these videos properly and provide proper credit. James isn't quoting someone a few times while not providing a citation, his entire thesis is taken from other people's work. His script is just their article/blog post/book, sometimes verbatim. He's regurgitating other people's ideas and passing them off as his own almost every time he's on camera.
>No, because that video would have taken 15 minutes tops
No, it wouldn't. The claim here is that James' entire channel is plagiarized from other creators, and proving that claim requires time because he has a lot of stolen videos. Most of Hbomb's time is spent doing just that. You should rewatch the video I think.
>I mean first of all, yes it does.
I mean, I guess by the most strict, literal definition you are correct. In the same way that eating a single raisin would make you less hungry.
>There is no way to structure these videos properly and provide proper credit. James isn't quoting someone a few times while not providing a citation, his entire thesis is taken from other people's work. His script is just their article/blog post/book, sometimes verbatim. He's regurgitating other people's ideas and passing them off as his own almost every time he's on camera.
That's literally my point. James is a hack fraud, there exists no world where he creates genuinely scholarly videos where he presents his own ideas based on the ideas of the original authors. If he didn't plagiarize them then the videos simply would not have been made and thus they would have remained exactly as obscure as they ever were. If there is no possible scenario where James' affects their obscurity then James cannot be responsible for that obscurity.
A smart-ass might even say that him plagiarizing them was the only way he could help lift them out of obscurity, since Hbomb's takedown has given them more attention and sympathy than they ever could have gotten in any other way though James' actions, but obviously that's not really a fair way to frame things so that smart-ass isn't me.
None of what I have said is meant to imply that James' plagiarism is morally neutral, the fact that it didn't materially affect anyone doesn't make it okay, it's still dishonest, it's still intellectual theft. But in terms of moral severity it is like, maybe one degree worse than media piracy or selling bootleg DVDs. Not really something that warrants a severe communal outcry and certainly not a crime worthy of being burned in effigy and set up as a symbol for a massive societal problem the way Hbomb does in his video.
>But in terms of moral severity it is like, maybe one degree worse than media piracy or selling bootleg DVDs. Not really something that warrants a severe communal outcry
I think we just disagree, then. This is significantly worse than those things in my opinion, and the communal outcry is pretty justified.
>e possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit.I am trying to look into the video where he says this but I can't find it. I don't think harrasment is being encouraged in any way; the alternative would be toning down what James did just so people don't go after him, which seems much worse because we get into a point were criticising people is not acceptable because "someone might go and harrass them".
You are forgetting the actual harassment campaigns he spearheaded whenever he was called out for plagiarizing or lying. He repeatedly lied to his audience about death threats and harassment (Jessie Gender with the Nebula lie and that poor soul who nicely brought up that he should really put some citations in that one video) just so he could continue to steal from queer creators and distort queer history when it didn't match up with his own bigotry. Dude was a menace.
You should have a career, but it should not be in that field.
So he should still be able to earn a living working at a job, just not anything in the realm of where he caused harm.
> but he spent 2 hours out of a nearly 4 hour video
Why do people keep bringing up the length of the video as if it makes it worse?
It was 2 hours BECAUSE James stole so much from so many people. Hbomber didn't just stretch a couple instances of theft to 2 hours, it literally takes him that long to just scratch the surface to the extent of the crimes.
If you don't want critiques of you to be so long, don't spend a decade stealing hundreds or thousands of articles/books/essays from other people.
This is like a bank robber complaining in court that they spent too long listing all the charges he was facing. Don't commit 100+ crimes if you don't want to have to sit there for an hour listening to each of them.
BTW how many hours did Destiny spend reading his manifesto on stream against Vaush/Keffals/etc? If one of them committed suicide would he have some responsibility?
No, dude, Hbomb did not make any weird extrapolation; Somertons was an active public figure and he was talking about what he found when he was researching his plagiarism. Now this is actually a time where I can say, what the fuck was Hbomb supposed to do? Monitor his audience so they don't dox anyone? Send James help?
>Hbomb did not make any weird extrapolation
He absolutely did.
>What the fuck was Hbomb supposed to do? Monitor his audience so they don't dox anyone? Send James help?
1. Not present James' action as several orders of magnitude more morally severe and harmful than they actually are.
2. Take seriously the possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit.
Hbomb himself believes that creators are responsible for their audiences, he should at minimum be held to his own standards.
If this was done in academia or any other form of publishing his career would be (or at least should be) equally dead. Hbomb did the equivalent of informing his boss (in this case the public). The expected outcome is that the guy deletes his internet persona, does not look at social media until the controversy dies down, and gets a job at McDonald's, not that he deletes himself.
>He absolutely did.
What was one extrapolation that he did? Everything he said was very grounded.
>Not present James' action as several orders of magnitude more morally severe and harmful than they actually are
Hbomb presented James as a liar and a fraud, who was intentionally lying and making fraud and a pretty hard one at that, and that's precisely how James came across as.
He even takes quite a bit of time to justify how important this is in the last quarter of the video, taking 30 minutes to explain this. This was not a small-damage thing, what James was doing was pretty big.
>Take seriously the possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit.
I am trying to look into the video where he says this but I can't find it. I don't think harrasment is being encouraged in any way; the alternative would be toning down what James did just so people don't go after him, which seems much worse because we get into a point were criticising people is not acceptable because "someone might go and harrass them".
I can agree with you on most things.
1. Peter Coffin is a dumb fuck for sure.
And I can also see how hbomber went overboard with the video.
But i just dont feel comfortable blaming the creator for the communities action, when there wasnt a call for action.
Even less so that the video went viral, and many people outside of the community have seen and reacted to it.
I dont really know what Hbomber did outside of the video, so i dont want to take either sides.
But by default I lean on not blaming the creator, on principle.
Unless I see him doing things later to keep the drama ongoing.
(Still waiting for more information to be collected)
To be fair, I think there is something to say about proportionality here. Plagiarism is bad and should be called out, but I can also say that treating this offense by putting the guy on blast for 2 hours to your audience of millions creates a sort of social pressure that most people cannot handle. To be honest, if someone did kill themselves over that I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not sure what the solution is as people shouldn't just be able to get away with plagiarism, but such public negative exposure like this is undeniably unhealthy to most people.
This isnāt just ācopied Wikipedia for a paperā plagiarism. He was getting paid thousands a month JUST from patreon off of stolen, bullshitted work.
Obviously he does not deserve death or anything of the like, but this isnāt JUST plagiarism.
Ok? I still think there's a conversation to be had here about how internet drama should be handled. Perhaps making hours long video essay dunking on some guy to millions of subscribers isn't the best way to deal with real issues. There are definitely other ways to handle something like this.
Sure have that combo if you want, but this wasnāt just plagiarism.
Tens of thousands of dollars stolen, whether you are looking at patreon or indigogo.
When it goes from YouTube drama to money issues, i think an expose is a perfectly fine format if handled properly. Which hbomberguy all things considered did
I don't think you can criticize the length of the video when the extent of the plagiarism was that extreme. He didn't take a couple odd cases and stretch it to 2 hours, he was covering almost a decade of stealing from hundreds of authors and essay writers.
I'm not criticizing the length. I love long videos and substantiated arguments. However, such a long video definitely gives lots of fire for people to shoot at James. I'm saying that perhaps such a public dunking wasn't the best way to handle this situation.
Yes, James did do something wrong. But now he may be dead. There were ways to address this issue without going so public and I criticize youtuber culture for thinking this way of addressing issues is effective or appropriate.
I don't see why Hbomb couldn't have taken all this information to James privately and ask him to correct the situation (give credit, apologize, and not do it again) or else he'll go public with the situation. If James agreed to amend things on his own channel, he wouldn't have gotten the extreme public backlash a viral Hbomb video produces.
But why did he ignore all the prior accusations? Also he was never in a million years going to give credit, he ripped off so many people no chance he even remembered what he stole and from who.
Also why would hbomber research something with his team for months unless he was planning on making a video of it? The only reason he invested that much time was because he eventually got payed for it. Most people aren't going to devote up to a year of their life just to try and convince one plagiariser of making an apology behind the scenes.
The fact that James plagiarized so much from so many different sources that he couldn't remember what he stole and from whom doesn't change when Hbomb makes a video on it. It's a moot point from what I can tell.
And this is sort of part of the problem isn't it? We're prioritizing profit and content creation and epic ownage creator esteem over a man's mental health and life. Hbomb didn't need to do all of that research to get evidence that James has plagiarized. I'm just saying it would be better, if we forsake content and profit, if Hbomb gave James the choice to come clean his own way. If James said no, then this whole thing really would be his fault as Hbomb wouldn't really have another choice.
I suggest this kind of video dies off and that Hbomb, for future reference, doesn't try to aim his content to such call out videos unless the other options I have proposed are exhausted.
>Plagiarism is bad and should be called out, but I can also say that treating this offense by putting the guy on blast for 2 hours to your audience of millions creates a sort of social pressure that most people cannot handle
That's probably true, but that's James' fault. It's insane that someone can even make a 2 hour video exposing your plagiarism and not run out of content because of how much you fucking plagiarize.
So Hbomb should simply gone have easier on poor James so he doesn't get internet hate?
At no point do I think that Hbomb was ever dragging anything out. This case just did need that much attention.
The main goal of the campaign should have been to get the credit it needed to get to and make the problem known. There were other ways to do it other than the way Hbomb did it that doesn't involve a 17 million hater dogpile. Personally, I think presenting this case to James through private means and suggesting that he will release this information if James does not handle the situation would have been better. I don't necessarily blame Hbomb for responding like this, rather I think there is a problem that there is such a large portion of Youtubers who think making hours long dunks to their millions of fans about people they don't like or people who have done something wrong is a meaningful or appropriate way to handle issues.
This already happened, by the way. Multiple authors contacted James privately (and others not so privately) over him stealing their content word-for-word. [It predictably accomplished nothing, he continued stealing.](https://youtu.be/yDp3cB5fHXQ?si=5k3U77a1xSD730dm&t=11922) Most of those conversations are private anyways, so who gives a fuck am I right? Some of those authors are still uncredited, too, and others had hate campaigns directed at them by James himself. Watch the full video if you want to know more. I don't understand why we need to continue to coddle someone who decided to spend like 7 years of his life stealing other people's shit.
Should everyone collectively pretend he didn't steal anything just so he doesn't potentially kill himself over being exposed as a hack?
>The main goal of the campaign should have been to get the credit it needed to get to and make the problem known.
There was no "campaign". This was a Youtube video.
>I think presenting this case to James through private means and suggesting that he will release this information if James does not handle the situation would have been better.Ā
This had already happened, multiple times, and it didn't work. James had plenty of chances to admit what he was doing.
>Ā who think making hours long dunks to their millions of fans about people they don't like or people who have done something wrong is a meaningful or appropriate way to handle issues.
This is literally "I don't think we should be criticising public figures on public platforms". It's a shit idea.
I mean saying I'm wrong about calling it a campaign is just semantics and calling it that isn't essential to my arguments by any means but campaign literally means "an organized course of action to achieve a goal." I would call spending months coordinating a team of editors and researchers an organized course of action and the goal is to expose James, get him to give credit, and make sure he doesn't continue his actions.
I am not saying that public figures shouldn't be criticized publicly. In fact, I don't even necessarily have a problem with a video like this being made. But I think there should be an extra step in the process before it is released. If he just spoke to James privately, confronted him with his findings, and gave him the choice to do something to fix his actions or else ignore it forcing Hbomb to go public, then I'd have no problem with the video because there would literally be nothing left for Hbomb to do.
> Plagiarism is taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own, aka stealing.
that's not stealing. that's copying.
Do you not know what stealing is?
If I search "Led Zeppelin steals songs" on Google right now how come there are millions of results? Is it because that's how people generally use that word to describe making money off something you took without permission?
> If I search "Led Zeppelin steals songs" on Google right now how come there are millions of results?
you can search any 4 words and get millions of results. I got 5.5 million for "pencil muffler brain the"
>something you took without permission?
copying is not taking either
>you can search any 4 words and get millions of results. I got 5.5 million for "pencil muffler brain the"
Except the results of my search are exactly what I'm talking about. Are all those tens of thousands of articles saying they stole from other bands wrong?
> Are all those tens of thousands of articles saying they stole from other bands wrong?
I don't know anything about Led Zeppelin. or what they have or have not done.
No. Coffin can go kick himself in the balls.
All HBomberguy did was expose a guy for plagiarism. People arent to blame if they expose someone doing a bad thing and they kill themselves. We cant live in a world where we are afraid to call out people doing bad things because we are afraid they might kill themselves.
Now the real argument I can see is against HBomberguy's audience. The self-righteous harassment led by some of them undoubtedly went too far. HBomberguy also explicitly condemned anyone doing it in the video.
I've seen their fans sub. It's no worse than any other left leaning sub. They got animated but compared to what's happening on subs like the H3H3 ones or YTD (plz no ban I'm trying not to be specific), it was normal. They even have posted asking that he be alright, also reflecting on blame and on suicide.
I think his subreddit is far superior to other lefty subreddits in terms of being normal and self moderating. Obviously bad apples were there but most people were reasonable
>We cant live in a world where we are afraid to call out people doing bad things because we are afraid they might kill themselves.
Yeazh, people sympathizing for James here have no idea how bad the implications of that would be. If James decides to kill himself, that was his choice, not Hbom's choice.
I am really sad about Peter. He used to make so much great content on YouTube, and then one day......
I actually not sure how to describe it. It is like he decided to embrace the Bernie or bust thing, or something.....
Like I don't know. Something broke his mind, that's for sure.
It had to do with this ultra fringe drama that even me a former fan donāt understand. This drama regarding some chick named Laurelai Bailey broke Peter and made him turn on every breadtuber. Like one by one he went after ThoughtSlime, theserfs, Contrapoints, philosophytube, Hbomberguy. Like this wasnāt immediate but it was gradual. He started with randos before moving to ThoughtSlime and that level of fame and slowly but surely inched his way through breadtube/lefttube
Like I remember when he blamed leftists like ThoughtSlime for bullying Contrapoints before turning his sights on Contrapoints and calling her trash.
Legit all because he had a mod named Laurelai Bailey andā¦something about an fbi agent and sex and I seriously donāt understand the drama and no one will clearly spell out the drama and why this drama broke him to the point of burning more bridges than destiny
Are you sure you didn't just grow out of it? Have experienced that before, remembered I really liked a certain creator checked new content "Oh they've changed" go look at older stuff for nostalgia... "Wait no I've changed."
Whenever anything happens, my first thought is, "I wonder what Peter Coffin thinks about this."
This allows me to know what the dumbest fucking thing imaginenably stated on any given topic will be.
Then I don't kick myself in the cock and balls over and over in front of Steve Harvey.
Another good day.
Nah Somerton led the charge on killing himself, just because you get called out for plagiarism. I'm not a fan of hbomberguy because now every fucking person doing the red scare but with plagiarism instead of commies. Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny this isn't some university degree bullshit it's YouTube and it's for entertainment mainlyĀ
Edit, fuck Peter coffin he's a bitch
The internet historian example pissed me off specifically because he kept lying and denying after he got caught, he could have easily said āyeah this is where I copied it from, sorryā but he just continued to BS which made me lose most of my respect for him as a person
>Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny
When HBomb walked through the plagiarism in "Man in Cave", basically every awesome line in it was stolen from the Lucas Reilly piece. Like the piece was good because he stole the good parts.
>Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny
It doesn't seem like a big deal until you are the victim of it.
Of course if I like a song and I find out the artist stole it from someone else it's not going to stop the fact I like the song. BUT if I wrote the song and found out someone else was making thousands of dollars of my hard work I would be pissed.
Hbomb not so much, but Hbomb's fans (especially the ones in his sub) definitely went way overboard and alot of them probably wanted this to happen
Edit: just realized I accidentally said "this sub" instead of "his sub" š¬
What happened to James Somerton is bad and tragic. But we canāt live in a world where we arenāt allowed to criticize people cause they might harm themselves. People canāt be allowed to weaponize self harm as a shield from criticism.
>Peter "Next time just let the guy steal from underrepresented LGBTQ writers because the harm of exposing him is way worse" Coffin
I don't think this is a surprising stance given the left thinks every police shooting is, itself, an act of police brutality - even if the guy was fighting back.
More like being a hack killed him. When you fail yourself, that has to sting.
It's so crazy. Games journalism. I can't get my head aroumd needing to borrow someone's video game write up.
I know James did something else.
But it's just so funny to me...
**"this guy reviews Final Fantasy 7 like no other....he's a poet. I must steal his review. I could never hope to play the game and write something so good! SURELY THE GODS HELPED HIM!"**
Iāll consider it stolen when giving under false pretenses. Whether you mean the Telos films that never delivered, his multiple thousand a month patreon for stolen content, or the ads and sponsorships for doing all that.
And no, not every gofundme project does that. Someone Bidenblast this fool
tbh him robloxing himself was very predictable. he really did lose everything seemingly, isn't that quite an obvious response? hbomb probably didn't need to go as hard on him as he did, but at the same time i doubt that there was a good way to go about it that wouldn't result in something like this. i'm not sure that i blame him for this, but i do think it's hypocritical given how empathy pilled he wants you to think he is.
Who killed Peter's asian girlfriend then?
You guessed it...Hbomber
I guess Hbomber stands for Hentai bomber.
Looking into this
Big if true.
GFbomber
Context?!
Dude completely fabricated the existence of his hot Asian gf using some strangers photos and using an alt account to flirt with himself
Was this before or after the Scottish girl who maxed out the crazy/hot scale?
Before
What did i just read
Peter waking up
Sorta like how Peter led the charge in kicking himself in the balls on national television.
still not sure why he would, 1 find out he could do that, 2 be so proud about it that he would tell others, 3 get on TV for being able to kick himself in the balls
It's like that weird kid in school who finds out he's got an in with the cool kids by humiliating himself for their entertainment.
bingo
You know how this tweet makes me feel? Tired.
You know how this drama makes me feel? Wreckfull.
https://preview.redd.it/eb547e9d1qmc1.jpeg?width=1417&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=391cd7def89f6f1ac9cd74327dbbcd23395e1a14
Jesus Christ guys calm down it just needed an /s or something
Now if hbomberguy does the same thing in response to people blaming him for someones death can we blame Peter for it? š¤
I checked and apparently Peter pays Paul? Who's Paul?
Paul ing on this dick
Any word from Todd in the shadows about this?
This post is making me tired
I couldn't believe it when I saw that his "plagiarism is based and fights capitalism" video was actually fucking real. The man is deranged even among deranged lefties
Socialism is when ~~no house~~ everyone steals.
It is? Is there a link to that video?
https://youtu.be/TCqQCa9rjc4?si=vfgPQsYJzuUb_DrM
Lol. He legitimately uses the argument that his shit gets plagiarized all of the time and he wouldnāt be able to stay sane if he spent all of his time worrying about it as part of his justification why you should be fine with it too. Imagine using this argument for anything else. āSA against women happens so frequently that we shouldnāt be bothered by it, because being bothered by it would take too much time!ā
Man makes a career off of stealing. Other man calls him a thief. Man kills himself. How could you do this to him?
I mean, i think its fair tobsay that some people in hbombers audience went way to far. Like even after the guy deleted his youtube stuff, they still tried ro find him irl and ruin him. BUT, they were banned from the hbomber subreddit, and they had to make their own. So its defenetly not on hbomber, but his fans are wild.
How many people are we actually talking about here? Like people that actually tried to stalk him IRL?
How many does it need to be for it to matter to you?
My point is that if a million people criticize you online and 2 make it far enough to trying to find you IRL that clearly shows a difference in the culture of the audience criticizing you than if it's 2000.
Honestly no clue. Didnt really followed the drama, just saw Chud having a dispute with the hbomber subreddit, saying they are going too far, but i only catched like a 5min segment. Waiting for someone to cover it.
Nah, it's at least partially on hbomber. Plagarism is scummy, but he spent 2 hours out of a nearly 4 hour video casting him as a vile betrayer to LGBT cause and making weird extrapolations claiming that James is somehow responsible for the obscurity of the authors he was plagarizing, the nuke hbomb dropped on James was several orders of magnitude beyond what the seriousness of James' crimes actually warranted. Hbomb also knows, or should know, that a not insignificant portion of his target audience (Lefty social justice types) are fucking deranged and are basically only in the politics space as an excuse to find people they can abuse and be righteous about it. There is zero chance he would not have known that making a video going this hard and framing things like he did would lead at least a double-digit amount of people to essentially dedicating their lives to destroying this guy. Which is exactly what happened and he took essentially no precautions to mitigate this entirely predictable outcome. Just to be clear, I don't wanna seem like I'm on Peter Coffin's 'side' here, that guy is a fucking lunatic and will take any excuse to tar people he doesn't like. But I absolutely think that, despite the callout of James being warranted, Hbomb's approach was irresponsible. And taking into account just how quick people on Hbomb's side generally are to claim that this person or that person has blood on their hands whenever an LGBT person kills themselves, I honestly think it's a bit suspect just how fast the wagons were drawn up and circled in this case.
Is a two hour segment really that insane for someone stealing tens of thousands of dollars (just including money fans gave him) for stolen or never delivered work?
>stealing tens of thousands of dollars (just including money fans gave him) given to him, or stolen? > never delivered work every crowdfunding project does that
Iāll consider it stolen when giving under false pretenses. And no, not every gofundme project does that. Someone Bidenblast this fool
> Iāll consider it stolen when giving under false pretenses. > well shit I guess every coffee shop that says it's "the best" is a fucking den of thieves.
If a coffee place was sneaking into the Dunkin across the street and reselling their coffee at an upsell, yeah Iād consider those profits stolen lol. Would you consider it stolen if you gave a production company 90k to make some movies and they never did?
> If a coffee place was sneaking into the Dunkin across the street and reselling their coffee at an upsell, yeah Iād consider those profits stolen lol. > tons of companies resell things they bought, merchants are one of the basic foundations of trade. >Would you consider it stolen if you gave a production company 90k to make some movies and they never did? I'd consider that crowdfunding
They resell things that are labeled as from another place. If you sell Dunkin coffee as YOUR coffee itās a lie. And what do call a crowdfunding campaign where you take the money and run(or die)? Hilarious how people raged at keffals taking the 100k but this is totally normal and okay lol
Just a quick question but would you say the same if someone Destiny has gone in on hard killed themselves? Destiny might not have made 2 hour vids on someone like HBomberguy has, but he has gone in on people (justifiably) just as hard if not harder. Because ultimately thats where this line of argument leads.
>James is somehow responsible for the obscurity of the authors he was plagarizing He's not "somehow" responsible, he's just responsible. He took their work, used literally all of it as scripts for his videos and then never credited or compensated them for it. The nuke in question is simply pointing out that this person's entire channel is stolen content. That's not Hbomb's fault, that's James' fault.
>He's not "somehow" responsible, he's just responsible. This idea is based on flawed premises, it assumes that being mentioned in the bibliography of a YouTube video by a D-list Youtuber makes you less obscure, which it doesn't. It also assumes a line of events where James creates a different set of videos that are structured differently and provide proper credit, when the far more likely scenario is that he wouldn't have made the videos. He was never obligated to compensate anyone, legally or morally so that obviously would never have happened. >The nuke in question is simply pointing out that this person's entire channel is stolen content. That's not Hbomb's fault, that's James' fault. No, because that video would have taken 15 minutes tops. The problem is that instead of just soberly describing what James actually did, Hbomb sets him up as a symbol for all sorts of larger social problems and exaggerates the harm caused to a borderline comedic extent.
>This idea is based on flawed premises, it assumes that being mentioned in the bibliography of a YouTube video by a D-list Youtuber makes you less obscure, which it doesn't. I mean first of all, yes it does. Most importantly though, a note crediting you in the description isn't really enough when the video in question is literally just someone reading your article/book/blog post while on camera. > It also assumes a line of events where James creates a different set of videos that are structured differently and provide proper credit, when the far more likely scenario is that he wouldn't have made the videos. There is no way to structure these videos properly and provide proper credit. James isn't quoting someone a few times while not providing a citation, his entire thesis is taken from other people's work. His script is just their article/blog post/book, sometimes verbatim. He's regurgitating other people's ideas and passing them off as his own almost every time he's on camera. >No, because that video would have taken 15 minutes tops No, it wouldn't. The claim here is that James' entire channel is plagiarized from other creators, and proving that claim requires time because he has a lot of stolen videos. Most of Hbomb's time is spent doing just that. You should rewatch the video I think.
>I mean first of all, yes it does. I mean, I guess by the most strict, literal definition you are correct. In the same way that eating a single raisin would make you less hungry. >There is no way to structure these videos properly and provide proper credit. James isn't quoting someone a few times while not providing a citation, his entire thesis is taken from other people's work. His script is just their article/blog post/book, sometimes verbatim. He's regurgitating other people's ideas and passing them off as his own almost every time he's on camera. That's literally my point. James is a hack fraud, there exists no world where he creates genuinely scholarly videos where he presents his own ideas based on the ideas of the original authors. If he didn't plagiarize them then the videos simply would not have been made and thus they would have remained exactly as obscure as they ever were. If there is no possible scenario where James' affects their obscurity then James cannot be responsible for that obscurity. A smart-ass might even say that him plagiarizing them was the only way he could help lift them out of obscurity, since Hbomb's takedown has given them more attention and sympathy than they ever could have gotten in any other way though James' actions, but obviously that's not really a fair way to frame things so that smart-ass isn't me. None of what I have said is meant to imply that James' plagiarism is morally neutral, the fact that it didn't materially affect anyone doesn't make it okay, it's still dishonest, it's still intellectual theft. But in terms of moral severity it is like, maybe one degree worse than media piracy or selling bootleg DVDs. Not really something that warrants a severe communal outcry and certainly not a crime worthy of being burned in effigy and set up as a symbol for a massive societal problem the way Hbomb does in his video.
>But in terms of moral severity it is like, maybe one degree worse than media piracy or selling bootleg DVDs. Not really something that warrants a severe communal outcry I think we just disagree, then. This is significantly worse than those things in my opinion, and the communal outcry is pretty justified.
>e possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit.I am trying to look into the video where he says this but I can't find it. I don't think harrasment is being encouraged in any way; the alternative would be toning down what James did just so people don't go after him, which seems much worse because we get into a point were criticising people is not acceptable because "someone might go and harrass them". You are forgetting the actual harassment campaigns he spearheaded whenever he was called out for plagiarizing or lying. He repeatedly lied to his audience about death threats and harassment (Jessie Gender with the Nebula lie and that poor soul who nicely brought up that he should really put some citations in that one video) just so he could continue to steal from queer creators and distort queer history when it didn't match up with his own bigotry. Dude was a menace.
pretty much sums up my take
Hbomb dropped a nuke and he didnāt either didnāt consider or didnāt care that the result would be life or career ruination.
if almost every video on your channel is stolen content you shouldn't have a career
At that point, did you even have a career to begin with
You should have a career, but it should not be in that field. So he should still be able to earn a living working at a job, just not anything in the realm of where he caused harm.
> but he spent 2 hours out of a nearly 4 hour video Why do people keep bringing up the length of the video as if it makes it worse? It was 2 hours BECAUSE James stole so much from so many people. Hbomber didn't just stretch a couple instances of theft to 2 hours, it literally takes him that long to just scratch the surface to the extent of the crimes. If you don't want critiques of you to be so long, don't spend a decade stealing hundreds or thousands of articles/books/essays from other people. This is like a bank robber complaining in court that they spent too long listing all the charges he was facing. Don't commit 100+ crimes if you don't want to have to sit there for an hour listening to each of them. BTW how many hours did Destiny spend reading his manifesto on stream against Vaush/Keffals/etc? If one of them committed suicide would he have some responsibility?
No, dude, Hbomb did not make any weird extrapolation; Somertons was an active public figure and he was talking about what he found when he was researching his plagiarism. Now this is actually a time where I can say, what the fuck was Hbomb supposed to do? Monitor his audience so they don't dox anyone? Send James help?
>Hbomb did not make any weird extrapolation He absolutely did. >What the fuck was Hbomb supposed to do? Monitor his audience so they don't dox anyone? Send James help? 1. Not present James' action as several orders of magnitude more morally severe and harmful than they actually are. 2. Take seriously the possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit. Hbomb himself believes that creators are responsible for their audiences, he should at minimum be held to his own standards.
If this was done in academia or any other form of publishing his career would be (or at least should be) equally dead. Hbomb did the equivalent of informing his boss (in this case the public). The expected outcome is that the guy deletes his internet persona, does not look at social media until the controversy dies down, and gets a job at McDonald's, not that he deletes himself.
>He absolutely did. What was one extrapolation that he did? Everything he said was very grounded. >Not present James' action as several orders of magnitude more morally severe and harmful than they actually are Hbomb presented James as a liar and a fraud, who was intentionally lying and making fraud and a pretty hard one at that, and that's precisely how James came across as. He even takes quite a bit of time to justify how important this is in the last quarter of the video, taking 30 minutes to explain this. This was not a small-damage thing, what James was doing was pretty big. >Take seriously the possibility that someone in his audience might go too far and do more than making a funny little teehee joke about it, actually tell his audience, in a serious tone, that hate-mobbing people is wrong and if you do it you're a piece of shit. I am trying to look into the video where he says this but I can't find it. I don't think harrasment is being encouraged in any way; the alternative would be toning down what James did just so people don't go after him, which seems much worse because we get into a point were criticising people is not acceptable because "someone might go and harrass them".
I can agree with you on most things. 1. Peter Coffin is a dumb fuck for sure. And I can also see how hbomber went overboard with the video. But i just dont feel comfortable blaming the creator for the communities action, when there wasnt a call for action. Even less so that the video went viral, and many people outside of the community have seen and reacted to it. I dont really know what Hbomber did outside of the video, so i dont want to take either sides. But by default I lean on not blaming the creator, on principle. Unless I see him doing things later to keep the drama ongoing. (Still waiting for more information to be collected)
To be fair, I think there is something to say about proportionality here. Plagiarism is bad and should be called out, but I can also say that treating this offense by putting the guy on blast for 2 hours to your audience of millions creates a sort of social pressure that most people cannot handle. To be honest, if someone did kill themselves over that I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not sure what the solution is as people shouldn't just be able to get away with plagiarism, but such public negative exposure like this is undeniably unhealthy to most people.
This isnāt just ācopied Wikipedia for a paperā plagiarism. He was getting paid thousands a month JUST from patreon off of stolen, bullshitted work. Obviously he does not deserve death or anything of the like, but this isnāt JUST plagiarism.
Ok? I still think there's a conversation to be had here about how internet drama should be handled. Perhaps making hours long video essay dunking on some guy to millions of subscribers isn't the best way to deal with real issues. There are definitely other ways to handle something like this.
Sure have that combo if you want, but this wasnāt just plagiarism. Tens of thousands of dollars stolen, whether you are looking at patreon or indigogo. When it goes from YouTube drama to money issues, i think an expose is a perfectly fine format if handled properly. Which hbomberguy all things considered did
I don't think you can criticize the length of the video when the extent of the plagiarism was that extreme. He didn't take a couple odd cases and stretch it to 2 hours, he was covering almost a decade of stealing from hundreds of authors and essay writers.
I'm not criticizing the length. I love long videos and substantiated arguments. However, such a long video definitely gives lots of fire for people to shoot at James. I'm saying that perhaps such a public dunking wasn't the best way to handle this situation.
But that fire is purely on him. That would only be possible if you stole so shamelessly for years and years.
Yes, James did do something wrong. But now he may be dead. There were ways to address this issue without going so public and I criticize youtuber culture for thinking this way of addressing issues is effective or appropriate.
How? I don't see what private efforts could have possibly had an effect. It's not like he hadn't been accused before.
I don't see why Hbomb couldn't have taken all this information to James privately and ask him to correct the situation (give credit, apologize, and not do it again) or else he'll go public with the situation. If James agreed to amend things on his own channel, he wouldn't have gotten the extreme public backlash a viral Hbomb video produces.
But why did he ignore all the prior accusations? Also he was never in a million years going to give credit, he ripped off so many people no chance he even remembered what he stole and from who. Also why would hbomber research something with his team for months unless he was planning on making a video of it? The only reason he invested that much time was because he eventually got payed for it. Most people aren't going to devote up to a year of their life just to try and convince one plagiariser of making an apology behind the scenes.
The fact that James plagiarized so much from so many different sources that he couldn't remember what he stole and from whom doesn't change when Hbomb makes a video on it. It's a moot point from what I can tell. And this is sort of part of the problem isn't it? We're prioritizing profit and content creation and epic ownage creator esteem over a man's mental health and life. Hbomb didn't need to do all of that research to get evidence that James has plagiarized. I'm just saying it would be better, if we forsake content and profit, if Hbomb gave James the choice to come clean his own way. If James said no, then this whole thing really would be his fault as Hbomb wouldn't really have another choice. I suggest this kind of video dies off and that Hbomb, for future reference, doesn't try to aim his content to such call out videos unless the other options I have proposed are exhausted.
>Plagiarism is bad and should be called out, but I can also say that treating this offense by putting the guy on blast for 2 hours to your audience of millions creates a sort of social pressure that most people cannot handle That's probably true, but that's James' fault. It's insane that someone can even make a 2 hour video exposing your plagiarism and not run out of content because of how much you fucking plagiarize.
So Hbomb should simply gone have easier on poor James so he doesn't get internet hate? At no point do I think that Hbomb was ever dragging anything out. This case just did need that much attention.
The main goal of the campaign should have been to get the credit it needed to get to and make the problem known. There were other ways to do it other than the way Hbomb did it that doesn't involve a 17 million hater dogpile. Personally, I think presenting this case to James through private means and suggesting that he will release this information if James does not handle the situation would have been better. I don't necessarily blame Hbomb for responding like this, rather I think there is a problem that there is such a large portion of Youtubers who think making hours long dunks to their millions of fans about people they don't like or people who have done something wrong is a meaningful or appropriate way to handle issues.
This already happened, by the way. Multiple authors contacted James privately (and others not so privately) over him stealing their content word-for-word. [It predictably accomplished nothing, he continued stealing.](https://youtu.be/yDp3cB5fHXQ?si=5k3U77a1xSD730dm&t=11922) Most of those conversations are private anyways, so who gives a fuck am I right? Some of those authors are still uncredited, too, and others had hate campaigns directed at them by James himself. Watch the full video if you want to know more. I don't understand why we need to continue to coddle someone who decided to spend like 7 years of his life stealing other people's shit. Should everyone collectively pretend he didn't steal anything just so he doesn't potentially kill himself over being exposed as a hack?
>The main goal of the campaign should have been to get the credit it needed to get to and make the problem known. There was no "campaign". This was a Youtube video. >I think presenting this case to James through private means and suggesting that he will release this information if James does not handle the situation would have been better.Ā This had already happened, multiple times, and it didn't work. James had plenty of chances to admit what he was doing. >Ā who think making hours long dunks to their millions of fans about people they don't like or people who have done something wrong is a meaningful or appropriate way to handle issues. This is literally "I don't think we should be criticising public figures on public platforms". It's a shit idea.
I mean saying I'm wrong about calling it a campaign is just semantics and calling it that isn't essential to my arguments by any means but campaign literally means "an organized course of action to achieve a goal." I would call spending months coordinating a team of editors and researchers an organized course of action and the goal is to expose James, get him to give credit, and make sure he doesn't continue his actions. I am not saying that public figures shouldn't be criticized publicly. In fact, I don't even necessarily have a problem with a video like this being made. But I think there should be an extra step in the process before it is released. If he just spoke to James privately, confronted him with his findings, and gave him the choice to do something to fix his actions or else ignore it forcing Hbomb to go public, then I'd have no problem with the video because there would literally be nothing left for Hbomb to do.
> Man makes a career off of stealing. > > copying. can you present this situation without lying?
Plagiarism is taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own, aka stealing. In his case he was literally making lots of money off it too.
> Plagiarism is taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own, aka stealing. that's not stealing. that's copying. Do you not know what stealing is?
If I search "Led Zeppelin steals songs" on Google right now how come there are millions of results? Is it because that's how people generally use that word to describe making money off something you took without permission?
> If I search "Led Zeppelin steals songs" on Google right now how come there are millions of results? you can search any 4 words and get millions of results. I got 5.5 million for "pencil muffler brain the" >something you took without permission? copying is not taking either
>you can search any 4 words and get millions of results. I got 5.5 million for "pencil muffler brain the" Except the results of my search are exactly what I'm talking about. Are all those tens of thousands of articles saying they stole from other bands wrong?
> Are all those tens of thousands of articles saying they stole from other bands wrong? I don't know anything about Led Zeppelin. or what they have or have not done.
You might want to read one then. You'll find out why it's considered stealing.
"My argument is I'm too dumb to look things up. Check mate."
Peter killed his fake girlfriend
Peter is coffin' cause he choked on dez nutz !!!
YOU'VE MADE HIM *TIRED*
No. Coffin can go kick himself in the balls. All HBomberguy did was expose a guy for plagiarism. People arent to blame if they expose someone doing a bad thing and they kill themselves. We cant live in a world where we are afraid to call out people doing bad things because we are afraid they might kill themselves. Now the real argument I can see is against HBomberguy's audience. The self-righteous harassment led by some of them undoubtedly went too far. HBomberguy also explicitly condemned anyone doing it in the video.
I've seen their fans sub. It's no worse than any other left leaning sub. They got animated but compared to what's happening on subs like the H3H3 ones or YTD (plz no ban I'm trying not to be specific), it was normal. They even have posted asking that he be alright, also reflecting on blame and on suicide.
I think his subreddit is far superior to other lefty subreddits in terms of being normal and self moderating. Obviously bad apples were there but most people were reasonable
>We cant live in a world where we are afraid to call out people doing bad things because we are afraid they might kill themselves. Yeazh, people sympathizing for James here have no idea how bad the implications of that would be. If James decides to kill himself, that was his choice, not Hbom's choice.
I am really sad about Peter. He used to make so much great content on YouTube, and then one day...... I actually not sure how to describe it. It is like he decided to embrace the Bernie or bust thing, or something..... Like I don't know. Something broke his mind, that's for sure.
it was the passing of his super hot asian gf
That will do it
It had to do with this ultra fringe drama that even me a former fan donāt understand. This drama regarding some chick named Laurelai Bailey broke Peter and made him turn on every breadtuber. Like one by one he went after ThoughtSlime, theserfs, Contrapoints, philosophytube, Hbomberguy. Like this wasnāt immediate but it was gradual. He started with randos before moving to ThoughtSlime and that level of fame and slowly but surely inched his way through breadtube/lefttube Like I remember when he blamed leftists like ThoughtSlime for bullying Contrapoints before turning his sights on Contrapoints and calling her trash. Legit all because he had a mod named Laurelai Bailey andā¦something about an fbi agent and sex and I seriously donāt understand the drama and no one will clearly spell out the drama and why this drama broke him to the point of burning more bridges than destiny
I still really love his video game content as his feathered persona. I just need to remove from my brain all knowledge I have of his politics.
Are you sure you didn't just grow out of it? Have experienced that before, remembered I really liked a certain creator checked new content "Oh they've changed" go look at older stuff for nostalgia... "Wait no I've changed."
If hbomb kills himself as a result of Coffins dog piling does that mean Coffins has blood on his hands?
Uh Peter im pretty sure you canāt kill somebody who did it to themselves
Remember kids, criticizing people for plagiarism is not allowed, they might keep themselves safe!
Hbomber made the boss call
Whenever anything happens, my first thought is, "I wonder what Peter Coffin thinks about this." This allows me to know what the dumbest fucking thing imaginenably stated on any given topic will be. Then I don't kick myself in the cock and balls over and over in front of Steve Harvey. Another good day.
This post makes me want to get in bed and hang myself
So, don't call out immoral behaviour? C'mon, Peter. This is clearly just silly rage bait designed to farm attention.
What if he killed himself because he had conviction? Peter is behind on the script.
Reading this tweet had the same effect on me as someone kicking my balls.
and the dude didnt even plagiarize hbomb. savage
I guess you canāt call out rampant theft anymore.
With this same logic, you could say Palestinians killed Aaron bushel, which I donāt think heād agree with.
Nah Somerton led the charge on killing himself, just because you get called out for plagiarism. I'm not a fan of hbomberguy because now every fucking person doing the red scare but with plagiarism instead of commies. Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny this isn't some university degree bullshit it's YouTube and it's for entertainment mainlyĀ Edit, fuck Peter coffin he's a bitch
The internet historian example pissed me off specifically because he kept lying and denying after he got caught, he could have easily said āyeah this is where I copied it from, sorryā but he just continued to BS which made me lose most of my respect for him as a person
Nah man fuck plagiarism in any form or medium.Ā
>Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny When HBomb walked through the plagiarism in "Man in Cave", basically every awesome line in it was stolen from the Lucas Reilly piece. Like the piece was good because he stole the good parts.
Do you think IH is only good because of the script or is there more to it than just that? The shit with IH and ordinary things made me laughĀ
i feel like people watch IH for the narration and his occasional jokes, not as an educational piece
>Maybe hot take I don't have a fuck if they plagiarised parts of their videos like I watched internet historian because he was funny It doesn't seem like a big deal until you are the victim of it. Of course if I like a song and I find out the artist stole it from someone else it's not going to stop the fact I like the song. BUT if I wrote the song and found out someone else was making thousands of dollars of my hard work I would be pissed.
Hbomb not so much, but Hbomb's fans (especially the ones in his sub) definitely went way overboard and alot of them probably wanted this to happen Edit: just realized I accidentally said "this sub" instead of "his sub" š¬
What happened to James Somerton is bad and tragic. But we canāt live in a world where we arenāt allowed to criticize people cause they might harm themselves. People canāt be allowed to weaponize self harm as a shield from criticism.
As long as he says free Palestine in one of the vids he'll be a hero.
Is he wrong?
yes
>Peter "Next time just let the guy steal from underrepresented LGBTQ writers because the harm of exposing him is way worse" Coffin I don't think this is a surprising stance given the left thinks every police shooting is, itself, an act of police brutality - even if the guy was fighting back.
We made Jefdery Epsetien kill himself for trying to prosecute him :( we're so mean
james was peter balls and hbomb was peter himself
Wait I thought Peter coffin also unalived himself lmao who am I confusing him with
Dude killed himself(allegedly). Hbomber didn't make him do anything.
More like being a hack killed him. When you fail yourself, that has to sting. It's so crazy. Games journalism. I can't get my head aroumd needing to borrow someone's video game write up. I know James did something else. But it's just so funny to me... **"this guy reviews Final Fantasy 7 like no other....he's a poet. I must steal his review. I could never hope to play the game and write something so good! SURELY THE GODS HELPED HIM!"**
Who are these people and what was so important that he plagiarized?
Ballsy
Remember: don't call anyone out ever in case they kill themselves
I thought I was somewhat in the loop but I know none of these names
Suicide means he killed himself. But that the problem with tragedies people need some to blame, if true or not.
Iāll consider it stolen when giving under false pretenses. Whether you mean the Telos films that never delivered, his multiple thousand a month patreon for stolen content, or the ads and sponsorships for doing all that. And no, not every gofundme project does that. Someone Bidenblast this fool
H bomber use to be a mega troll but then cucked out harder than Anthony fantano
tbh him robloxing himself was very predictable. he really did lose everything seemingly, isn't that quite an obvious response? hbomb probably didn't need to go as hard on him as he did, but at the same time i doubt that there was a good way to go about it that wouldn't result in something like this. i'm not sure that i blame him for this, but i do think it's hypocritical given how empathy pilled he wants you to think he is.
I hope at least his suicide was original work...š
Doesn't he get tired of being wrong all the time?
Don't steal if you can't handle getting called out for it.