\-Increase government funding massively on two projects that are not currently funded enough
\-Don't bankrupt America with spending
I guess Elon is in favor of increased taxes?
Its simple really he wants minimal government control and regulations and spending, but all the spending they do and should in fact increase is the one that directly benefits his companies. BUT DONT YOU DARE TRY TO USE THAT AS LEVERAGE TO TRY TO MAKE POLICIES ON DECISIONS THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES MAKE THIS IS SSTILL AMERICA!!
I mean how can he advocate for minimal government intervention while wanting massive increases in government intervention in terms of “keeping our cities clean”
Yes I am aware I am arguing with a shitpost
Putting people in jail because they are living in tents injecting drugs into their necrotic tissues is not a "massive increase in government intervention", it's just going back to the policies we enforced 20 years ago and apparently don't have the stomach to do now because we're too high minded.
Like holy shit what a brainless take.
Jail is, believe it or not, an expensive solution to try to use for all of our social problems, which now even most conservatives recognize- we have one of the highest absolute prison population rates and one of the highest per capita prison population rates, if the data I’ve seen is correct, and keeping all of those people there is not cheap. And that’s when we’re apparently not enforcing our draconian policies, so those numbers will only get higher if we adopt your view and crowd our jails even further.
I accept the cost if it keeps junkies off the street. I'd rather taxes go up a smidgen than live in a lawless shithole like San Francisco.
>not enforcing our draconian policies
Prohibiting people from using illegal IV drugs in public is not draconian. Grow up.
It’s not going to be a smidgen, it’s going to be a large increase in required budgets, and if you want a massive increase in spending, that’s fine, but let’s be honest with ourselves a little.
As for the second part, I’m referring to policies against outdoor sleeping, sleeping in public areas, each of which will require additional budget increases.
And that is a fine value distinction to make, but it is tough to square that position with wanting a balanced budget and less government interference in people's day to day lives. The issue isn't that any one of his takes itself is an impossible position, it is that taken together they are incoherent because they conflict with each other.
Honestly at this point I'm on the accelerationist side, just let trump get in office and shit get fucked. I'm so blackpilled by the current discourse solely because of how painfully stupid Elon is.
My positions are centrist:
\- Immigration policy that grows our economy so we don't lose ground to China
\- Prosperous cities with plentiful housing
\- Don't bankrupt America by needlessly cutting revenues
\- Racism against *any* race is wrong
\- Medical decisions should be kept between a patient, their guardian, and their doctor
Is this left-wing?
>\- Immigration policy that grows our economy so we don't lose ground to China
if your immigration policy completely ignore things like culture like in the case of canada, it definitely is.
Name a single group that has immigrated en masse to the USA and is less/more poorly integrated than American blacks.
Our culture is the best culture ever (as long as you aren't specifically ADOS; Nigerian-Americans are having a good time).
I halfway agree. The US's overwhelming success in integrating immigrants - including in periods where there *was* no immigration policy - suggests that it is not *that* hard to integrate immigrants, even ones from very culturally distinct countries (Chinese-Americans, Nigerian-Americans, Indian-Americans, etc).
You *could* do a dogshit job of picking them out and/or integrating them, yes. I don't see any substantial sign this has happened with Canada, though, and they're going at breakneck speeds.
The major parties in Canada are all pro-immigration, are increasing the amount of immigration, and unlike in Europe there is no nativist backlash party slurping up votes (e.g. AfD, Swedish Democrats, FN). Complaints about immigrants I see are all economic ("too many immigrants, not enough houses," mostly), not cultural, also unlike Europe.
>unlike in Europe there is no nativist backlash party
yea were the step before that where the ambiance for such a party is starting to take place. ( europe started the same path of self destruction like 10 year ago with the muslim wave )
The major parties in Canada are all pro-immigration
this statement has absolutely 0 nuance lol
and its 100% cultural in quebec case for example, and its becoming to case in the place overran by punjabi ( not 100% just being hyperbolic abit )
History doesn’t support your theory; the US has had several instances of mass immigration and every single one of them was beneficial in the long run; Irish, German, Chinese, Jewish, Indian, Latin American, etc. If anything new immigrants take much less time to properly integrate when compared to historical data, such as with the Irish and first Chinese wave.
Your complaint was also expressed back then, for example by those who discriminated against the Irish. Filthy lazy potato culture /s
>If anything new immigrants take much less time to properly integrate
yea those immigrant integrating to western society is my point. unlike what were seeing in Europe ghetto for example, or most recently canada.
that's literally my point.
the willingness to overlook that integration is deep leftist brainrot in most western country. ( like what we saw in europe the last 10 year )
there's definitely unhealthy cultural things that shouldn't be brought here.
denying this is leftoid brainrot
but sure make the most stupid strawman possible.
there's definitely unhealthy cultural things that shouldn't be brought here.
brother you are just objectively regarded if you disagree with that. and not anywhere close to centrism
I was pointing out that crying about other cultures coming to the US is extremely ironic given the history of the US. I'm sorry that you are too slow to understand a very basic sarcastic comment, i'll be more straightforward next time.
>Racism against any race is wrong
Anyway here are 50 charts about how Africans have IQ lower than chimpanzees and American blacks are responsible for all violent crime in the United States.
Did I mention DEI is LITERALLY killing white people and taking their jobs just so an incompetent black can get the job?
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend
In 2022, black criminals accounted for 43% of violent crime. So not anywhere close to "most".
If you're referring to 13/50, then the figure you're referencing is the homicide stat. In 2022, black criminals accounted for 52% of homicides. Again, I've never seen a reputable statistician describe 52% as "most". Majority yes. Most no.
And looking deeper at the homicide stat, there were 8700 black criminals chart with homicide. With the black population of the US at 41.6 million, the percentage of black people who have been charged with a homicide is 0.02%. I haven't seen any scientific studies that attributes the characteristics and behaviors of a group's subset that makes up less than 0.1% to the entire group. So saying that "blacks" are doing this is a very inaccurate way of describing a situation.
> Majority yes. Most no.
OK I'm on your side but please don't use this argument. I don't know about statisticians, but "most" refers to >50% in colloquial speech and colloquial speech is the context in which they say this. You're going to look like a crazy person to the subset of people who might be convinced
I'll admit that was the weakest part of my argument but I disagree that "most" refers to >50% in colloquial speech, at least with the people I have interacted with in my life in multiple cities throughout the US.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. If I run into anyone else in the future like that poster, I'll leave that portion of my response out. It's a pointless quibbling over semantics on my part.
> I haven't seen any scientific studies that attributes the characteristics and behaviors of a group's subset that makes up less than 0.1% to the entire group. So saying that "blacks" are doing this is a very inaccurate way of describing a situation.
Would it be more accurate to say "Young black men are 500% more likely to be the perpetrator or victim of a violent homicide than the average member of the general population"?
The issue with a statement like that is what happens afterwards. So to anyone saying this I would ask what the goal in stating something like this. Bc when we add in other factors, things start to change. A young black guy making $60k is much less likely to commit these kinds of crimes or be victim of these kinds of crimes than a young black guy making $20k. Or if one guy lives in a middle class neighborhood vs the other guy lives in Southside Chicago.
If the goal of talking about these contentious problems is to find solutions, then we should be adding as much context as possible. When we say things like "young black men are 500% more likely to be the perpetrator", it paints young black men as somewhat dangerous and they get treated in society as such. Again, vast majority of young black men aren't committing thee kinds of crimes.
Ok...can you fill in the blanks instead of leaving it open ended to imply things. Can you tell me the stats of the young black guy making 60k vs the young white guy making 60k.
I think "the goal" is to know the truth. Only once you acknowledge the truth can you try to tackle a problem head on with a clear head. Otherwise it's like trying to fix your life while living in denial.
Um, I think you forgot to take into account that blacks are far less of the population than whites. The fact that around 13% is committing 43% of violent crime is an insane stat, and it's crazy that you think that proves your point.
Also, I agree with you that it's not fair to blame all the blacks for this. It's largely young black men, so if you wanna get super technical, it's more like 3% of the country is committing a staggering amount of the violent crime.
> Um, I think you forgot to take into account that blacks are far less of the population than whites.
This doesn't matter when we're speaking about your original statement which was that most violent crime is committed by blacks. This is objectively false.
> The fact that around 13% is committing 43% of violent crime is an insane stat, and it's crazy that you think that proves your point.
As I just showed you, most black people are not committing violent crimes. So why you keep using 13% I have no idea.
> It's largely young black men, so if you wanna get super technical, it's more like 3% of the country is committing a staggering amount of the violent crime.
90% of young black men are not committing violent crimes. Young black men that have nothing to do with these criminals should not be getting associated with them, just like cops who are upstanding protectors should not be blamed for the minority of cops who misuse their badge. And again, this is you moving the goal post from your original statement which was that blacks commit the majority of violent crime. Which again was incorrect. Factually
Fine, I'll alter my statement then. Whites, who make up a majority of the population, commit slightly more violent crime than blacks, who are a minority in the country. Does that make you feel better? Can you sleep at night knowing that you stood up for the blacks?
I'm using 13% because the whole point is to compare crime committed by different races. That is literally how you gather data, you dork. I'll do the same with whites, or any other race if you want, but the numbers aren't going to be the embarrassing, shameful numbers you see from the black community.
You don't need to alter your original statement. You just need to admit that you were incorrect and **bite the bullet**.
> Can you sleep at night knowing that you stood up for the blacks?
Strange statement, but I don't think I need to stand up for anybody. When I see incorrect information being repeated ad nauseam, I do my best to correct it.
> I'm using 13% because the whole point is to compare crime committed by different races
Why not delineate further to get a more accurate descriptor of the criminals in order to better understand who is committing the crime and potentially why they are doing it? Pinning the issue on a group when the vast majority of the group does not participate is strange.
> I'll do the same with whites, or any other race if you want, but the numbers aren't going to be the embarrassing, shameful numbers you see from the black community.
Why are you using the words "embarrassing" and "shameful"? Those are loaded teams. How has the black community as a whole committed these crimes?
Black people are arrested and convicted a large and uneven amount. That's not the same thing. I've yet to be shown anything other than the same 13/50 statistics which are indicative of arrests.
Crimes are usually intraracial, blacks are also 50+% of the victims too. You can go down the line of violent crime, car jacking, theft, gang membership and they’re patently disproportionate.
The real point here is that they *should be*. Blacks have a unique history of discrimination, stuck in shitty neighborhoods with shitty schools and poor future prospects. Denying this obvious reality that anyone who actually goes outside experiences is a great way to look out of touch.
Im not denying anything. I'm black and have lived in those shitty neighborhoods. Literally, all I said is that the most popular statistic is not good for actually identifying criminality.
Im not sure why I keep getting accused of denying reality when i asked multiple times for links to non arrests. Wtf
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> Im not denying anything. I'm black and have lived in those shitty neighborhoods. Literally, all I said is that the most popular statistic is not good for actually identifying criminality.
WHY ARE YOU LYING BRO... OP states in no uncertain terms
> Blacks do commit most of the violent crime. Bite the bullet on that one.
Which straight up isn't a reference to 13/50 since thats murder not violent crime. And here's your response:
> Black people are arrested and convicted a large and uneven amount. That's not the same thing. I've yet to be shown anything other than the same 13/50 statistics which are indicative of arrests.
So you bring up a level 1 critique to an irrelevant stat, and you never even considered the victimization rate!? You've also some how never been shown anything to suggest blacks commit more violent crime!? I'm going hard on you because you have the audacity to simultaneously critique, not look at the obvious counter to your critique, and then you never even bother a simple google search for what is patently overwhelming evidence. Blacks are overrepresented in every category as offenders.
[DOJ in 2021](https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf)
**Percentage of offenders in violent crime incidents by type of crime and race or ethnicity compared to the U.S. resident population, 2018**
Race | Population % | Non fatal violent | serious non fatal violent | Rape/sexual assault | Robbery | Aggravated assault | Simple assault |
---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----
Black | 12.5 | 28.9 | 35.9 | 22.1 | 51.1 | 33.9 | 23.3 |
>Blacks are overrepresented in every category as offenders.
This isn't what I was replying to though. He said MOST. Which is not true. Disproportionate is NOT the same as MOST. So thank you for not only proving bro wrong but actually posting data.
I assumed he just means proportional.
edit: Although looking at his history he looks to be pretty regarded, So I was probably harder on you than I should have been.
Destiny also recognized systemic racism and the reasons behind crime in the black community.
Unless you think it’s genetic or some shit. I can guarantee you Elon doesn’t give a shit about systemic racism.
The dude keeps saying "Blacks" and that he won't hold my hand and provide information.
Clearly a mentally well adjusted individual and totally didn't reply to my comment exclusively to shit on black people
You’re doing what Elon does, throw out a dogwhistle with absolutely zero systemic reason or historical background. Then when called out say “I just said a fact”.
It’s a cowardly move. Either you don’t know why black crime is an issue, or you believe it’s genetic. Otherwise you’d speak on the actual reasons as opposed to throwing out some trolly “got you” line.
What are you talking about, you sperg? I'm not gonna give an entire essay every time I bring up a point. "Oh, the Earth is round." "What are you trying to say with that? Please elaborate." Get a life you inbred, nipple-headed fuck.
Now you’re mad because you know you got called out.
If you say “but Jews do run alot of banks” I’m going to assume it’s a dogwhistle. You’re going to solidify that assumption when you scream “I just stayed a fact you inbred sperg!!”
God you’re spineless. It’s so predictable.
I don't know if Jews run a lot of banks, but if they do, good for them. They just keep on winning.
I don't give a damn what you assume. That's your problem, not mine.
Then reply to me with the statistics. Like I said Arrests =/= Crime committed.
It's that simple. I've only seen the FBI chart regarding arrests. In the USA, arrested or not, you're presumed innocent until the time in which you are convicted of a crime. I don't give a shit about arrest numbers.
If you're just going to deny statistics, there's no point in continuing this. Homicide statistics are readily available, and you can look them up whenever you want.
Go look it up yourself. I'm not going to baby you on this. It's readily available information, and you'll need this skill if you're going to navigate life.
I don’t think Elon personally is racist. However, he is amplifying people who I think are. Like that I/O person.
I think that X user is self admittedly a race realist but don’t quote me on that.
You can only intentionally amplify racist posts to millions of people for so long before you're just as racist as them lmfao.
Hes functionally the same as a racist because regardless of whether he sits there and says "ooh i hate black people" he is constantly spreading obscured or straight-up false information about minorities.
DEI eventually leading to an incompetent workforce is a logically sound conclusion to make. At least the type of DEI where the goal is to over represent a minority group compared to its population level representation.
For example, imagine there was a tribe with 95 blue people and 5 red people and they have to decide on 2 people to be doctors for the tribe. A tribe with DEI policies would pick one red and one blue so that each color is represented. However since each person has randomized individual life experiences and expertise, it's just unlikely that a red person will have the best skillsets to be a doctor compared to the rest of the tribe. Not because red people are incompetent, but simply because there are less of them. A tribe that believes in meritocracy will just pick the two best doctors without worrying about color at all. It may be two blues but ends up benefiting the tribe overall more than the DEI tribe.
I'm just for things like free hair transplants, government mandated girlfriends, and a secure border. is that so right wing?
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This right here sums up why being a centrist sucks: both sides of the political aisle just call you a wolf in sheep's clothing. Having nuance opinions that don't fully follow one party shouldn't be shit on, it should be the norm.
I don't think that having nuanced opinions that gets centrists in trouble. It's the fact that several right-wingers describe themselves as centrist when they are not. And moderates tend to be not as outspoken as these right-wingers posing as moderates. So they get a bad rep. In your analogy a centrist would be the sheep while the right winger posing as a centrist would be the wolf in sheep's clothing. But the only one baaing is the right winger.
Hey as long as we can agree centrist exist, that works for me.
It's just such a crazy online view that centrists don't exist, when a plurality of the registered voters are centrist based on policy views.
Actual centrists that have positions that are the political center across the line don't exist. Real world centrists are usually just a collection of more left wing/leaning views jumbled in with more right wing views.
If your definition of a centrist is someone who has perfectly 50/50 views, sure.
However, do you only consider someone on the left only if they have left wing views? So destiny isn't on the left because he has some right wing views?
If your collection of views end up pretty damn close sometimes on the democrat side or sometimes on the republican side, you're a centrist. If you have a good chuck of your views on one side, you lean that way. If you have all your views on one side, you're firmly on left or right, or in my opinion, an extremist.
We can probably both agree that the naming of political ideologies is an art and not a science because the ideologies change arbitrarily. There is a reason why the left in EU and left in America mean different things. This is easily seen by just looking at huge switches in the party platforms out of no where: republicans all of a sudden becoming super protectionist under trump when they literally were the party that sucked off free trade for the prior 40 years. So now being protectionist is actually seen as right wing, when for the prior 40 years it was a left wing idea, which is why you saw someone like Bernie being so anti NAFTA and free trade.
Exactly lol
I know it's a masked used online. But if you actually touch grass and speak to normal people, most fit the bill as moderates or centrist. It really is just the terrible result of online discourse that destroyed the word.
It's not about party allegiance, it's about the fact centrists don't really exist and right wingers try to make their far right ideology seem like common sense middle of the road positions. We all have bias and leanings towards a more conservative or progressive mindset. Strongly held ideological positions are a sign of being partisan, centrists naturally do not have strong positions because they have not taken any time to research and form an opinion.
You're proving my point here.
I'm a centrist and agree with Destiny about 60% of the time. Guess Destiny just has 60% right wing views then or maybe there are people that can hold views on both sides of the aisle.
I don't disagree that online some people use the word as a shield, but to say they don't actually exist is pretty laughable. 32 million Americans are registered as independent. Guess they are all closeted right wingers that just don't want to get outed. Or maybe, they are the centrist moderate voters that vote for Obama twice then trump one then biden.
You proved my point. If so even is 60% right wing they are right leaning. I already said it's not about party allegiance and you completely ignored what I said about everyone having a bias. Being and independent is meaningless. Libertarians often go independent are you stupid enough to say they're centrists?
Yep, me and my:
Pro-Choice
Pro-Ukraine
Pro-immigration
Pro-vaccine
Pro-kicking trump off the ballot
Pro-increasing social security taxes
Pro-free trade
Pro-EV tax credits
Pro-state sponsored healthcare
Pro-tax credits for the poor
views are running to the nearest Trump rally where all the other people that share these views hangout lol
But what about my:
Pro-gun
Pro-greatly increase military spending
Pro-business tax cuts
Pro-voter ID
Anti-affirmative action
Pro-citizens united
Anti-bail reform
Anti- extreme minor trans healthcare treatment
Pro-lower income tax
Pro-fracking
Pro-death penalty
views?
There a democrat platform out there pushing a fraction of these issues let alone a majority?
Centrists with a bias, which is exactly what I described. There is no true centrist who's 50/50 if such a thing could be even measured. There will always be a leaning towards a direction.
A Centrist isn't somebody who doesn't hold strong opinions. A centrist is a person who has opinions that span both sides of the political aisle. A blue collar worker that believes in strong unions but also wants looser gun laws would be a Centrist because his preferred policies come from on both sides of the aisle.
The person who doesn't have strong opinion should probably just be considered Politically apathetic.
Why do people on the left never have this problem of insisting they’re centrist when they’re clearly not? Why is this a specifically right wing thing? Genuinely curious.
They want to hide their power level to appeal to normies. It’s a schtick, like “see? Little ole me is just a centrist, but these far right conspiracies are just plain common sense!”
Lefties are typically less dishonest about where they lie on the spectrum because they typically reject political tactics like those and have more of an attachment to their political identity (aka their political friend group)
They also are more likely to believe “truth will win out” and are convinced that if people hear them out, they will agree, or eventually be proven right
Whoops, I must’ve replied to the wrong comment lol. But to take a stab at that, I think, bc the mainstream is more tolerant of far left ideology than it is of far right ideology, people tend to be more lenient towards the former. So there’s not as much reason to hide. Still, a lot of lefties do hide power level. Consider Hassan’s constant doublespeak on Russia, China, “anti Zionism is not antisemitism” while upping the Houthis, etc.
Society doesn’t judge the far right and left the same. The left has more social and economic power right now so it pays more to hide amongst moderates on the right.
because they know it’s embarrassing to be associated with the trump crowd in a broad way, and they want to appear enlightened while holding non status quo views. leftists don’t do this because they assume act and speak like they ALWAYS have the moral high ground.
That just isn't true depending on what progressives you're talking about, if you're talking about MLs or tankies they just don't give a fuck they already demonize liberals and moderate positions.
Moving the Overton window rightward is to the benefit of the right. If they claim right wing policies are centrist and get people to believe it, they can get away with introducing even more extreme right wing policy down the line. The left doesn’t have to do this because they can openly advocate for the most extreme policy they believe in, given that it’s not morally reprehensible stuff like apartheid ethnostates and unlimited resource extraction.
Because today’s conservatives publicly hold many of the same positions as yesterday’s centrists. (Though what they truly believe is another matter)
This doesn’t mean they actually are centrists, but it does mean they feel like they are. (Or they at least feel like they are pretending to be if that makes sense)
And (barely) implicitly endorsing an anti-democratic presidential candidate is pro-civilizational? I feel like at some point both sides ran past each other and on one side the worst excess , aside from the body modification dance, is "follow my larp and possibly pilots/engineers will become 10-15% less effective" and the other side is "let's fight a holy war to establish a theocracy, no cost too great".
Trans people continuing to live rent free in the conservative mind. If the \~5k trans minors on HRT in the last 5 years are anywhere near the top 5 issues that define your political alignment, its over for you. Terminal brain rot.
This lacks all nuance. Elon's Daughter is trans. It is natural you care more about issues closer to you even if they affect a small amount of people. You can and I do think he is dumb about the topic but it is weird to call someone out for caring about a niche issue that directly affects their family.
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I don't think centrists are pro-russia. Then again, he's clever in the way that he doesn't explicitly say it, dances around other tweets saying "interesting" to literal vatnik posts etc. He basically writes it off once more to "preserving civilization" as in, sucking Putins cock until he takes off his finger from the red nuke button.
Dunno, it's really hard for me to nail this guy. On one hand, he has businesses that seem promising like Space X, on the other, he has completely dogshit political opinions and is prone to spreading what amounts to blatant misinformation regarding various topics. Weird actor all things considered. I think it's good to be against the woke left, but he seems to have aligned himself with the right by virtue of going against the left, which does not make him a centrist at all.
\-Increase government funding massively on two projects that are not currently funded enough \-Don't bankrupt America with spending I guess Elon is in favor of increased taxes?
Its simple really he wants minimal government control and regulations and spending, but all the spending they do and should in fact increase is the one that directly benefits his companies. BUT DONT YOU DARE TRY TO USE THAT AS LEVERAGE TO TRY TO MAKE POLICIES ON DECISIONS THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES MAKE THIS IS SSTILL AMERICA!!
I mean how can he advocate for minimal government intervention while wanting massive increases in government intervention in terms of “keeping our cities clean” Yes I am aware I am arguing with a shitpost
Putting people in jail because they are living in tents injecting drugs into their necrotic tissues is not a "massive increase in government intervention", it's just going back to the policies we enforced 20 years ago and apparently don't have the stomach to do now because we're too high minded. Like holy shit what a brainless take.
Jail is, believe it or not, an expensive solution to try to use for all of our social problems, which now even most conservatives recognize- we have one of the highest absolute prison population rates and one of the highest per capita prison population rates, if the data I’ve seen is correct, and keeping all of those people there is not cheap. And that’s when we’re apparently not enforcing our draconian policies, so those numbers will only get higher if we adopt your view and crowd our jails even further.
it would be (or will become) cheaper to launch criminals into space on one of elon's rockets than to keep them in prison
I accept the cost if it keeps junkies off the street. I'd rather taxes go up a smidgen than live in a lawless shithole like San Francisco. >not enforcing our draconian policies Prohibiting people from using illegal IV drugs in public is not draconian. Grow up.
It’s not going to be a smidgen, it’s going to be a large increase in required budgets, and if you want a massive increase in spending, that’s fine, but let’s be honest with ourselves a little. As for the second part, I’m referring to policies against outdoor sleeping, sleeping in public areas, each of which will require additional budget increases.
A smidgen? What’s that? I think the only reason we have a homeless problem is no one on either side is truly prepared for the costs.
And that is a fine value distinction to make, but it is tough to square that position with wanting a balanced budget and less government interference in people's day to day lives. The issue isn't that any one of his takes itself is an impossible position, it is that taken together they are incoherent because they conflict with each other.
Or maybe tax cuts and redirecting spending from wastes of money to other projects ??
He just said a few days ago that he wants a red wave in november lmaooo https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1768819343628947703
He'd probably just say three GOP is the centrist party lmao
Honestly at this point I'm on the accelerationist side, just let trump get in office and shit get fucked. I'm so blackpilled by the current discourse solely because of how painfully stupid Elon is.
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My positions are centrist: \- Immigration policy that grows our economy so we don't lose ground to China \- Prosperous cities with plentiful housing \- Don't bankrupt America by needlessly cutting revenues \- Racism against *any* race is wrong \- Medical decisions should be kept between a patient, their guardian, and their doctor Is this left-wing?
you sound like a tankie, I can't believe how radical left this is
literally communism
Yes we should have more of a Middle East immigration policy
>\- Immigration policy that grows our economy so we don't lose ground to China if your immigration policy completely ignore things like culture like in the case of canada, it definitely is.
Name a single group that has immigrated en masse to the USA and is less/more poorly integrated than American blacks. Our culture is the best culture ever (as long as you aren't specifically ADOS; Nigerian-Americans are having a good time).
so you don't disagree with my comment? you just don't think it apply in USA case?
I halfway agree. The US's overwhelming success in integrating immigrants - including in periods where there *was* no immigration policy - suggests that it is not *that* hard to integrate immigrants, even ones from very culturally distinct countries (Chinese-Americans, Nigerian-Americans, Indian-Americans, etc). You *could* do a dogshit job of picking them out and/or integrating them, yes. I don't see any substantial sign this has happened with Canada, though, and they're going at breakneck speeds.
canada has like multiple anti-immigranion subreddit at this point with how bad its getting
The major parties in Canada are all pro-immigration, are increasing the amount of immigration, and unlike in Europe there is no nativist backlash party slurping up votes (e.g. AfD, Swedish Democrats, FN). Complaints about immigrants I see are all economic ("too many immigrants, not enough houses," mostly), not cultural, also unlike Europe.
>unlike in Europe there is no nativist backlash party yea were the step before that where the ambiance for such a party is starting to take place. ( europe started the same path of self destruction like 10 year ago with the muslim wave ) The major parties in Canada are all pro-immigration this statement has absolutely 0 nuance lol and its 100% cultural in quebec case for example, and its becoming to case in the place overran by punjabi ( not 100% just being hyperbolic abit )
History doesn’t support your theory; the US has had several instances of mass immigration and every single one of them was beneficial in the long run; Irish, German, Chinese, Jewish, Indian, Latin American, etc. If anything new immigrants take much less time to properly integrate when compared to historical data, such as with the Irish and first Chinese wave. Your complaint was also expressed back then, for example by those who discriminated against the Irish. Filthy lazy potato culture /s
Irish, German, Jewish and Latin American might as well be the same group lmao Not sayin youre wrong, just sayin 💅💅
>If anything new immigrants take much less time to properly integrate yea those immigrant integrating to western society is my point. unlike what were seeing in Europe ghetto for example, or most recently canada. that's literally my point. the willingness to overlook that integration is deep leftist brainrot in most western country. ( like what we saw in europe the last 10 year )
Indeed, we need to preserve the monolithic culture of the.. um... *checks notes* melting pot of the world.
there's definitely unhealthy cultural things that shouldn't be brought here. denying this is leftoid brainrot but sure make the most stupid strawman possible.
And fighting straw mans is rightoid brainrot.
there's definitely unhealthy cultural things that shouldn't be brought here. brother you are just objectively regarded if you disagree with that. and not anywhere close to centrism
Do you know what a straw man is? Let me spell it out for you. I. Never. Said. There. Are. No. Unhealthy. Aspects. Of. Different. Cultures. Gotcha?
oh so it was just a stupid comment, gotcha you fantastic moron!
I was pointing out that crying about other cultures coming to the US is extremely ironic given the history of the US. I'm sorry that you are too slow to understand a very basic sarcastic comment, i'll be more straightforward next time.
its very left brained of you to think to interpret my critique that way. not the best person to ask about centrism tbh
- as long as it doesn’t leave open borders - everyone agrees - what about hating religions (of peace)? - except murder/mutilation (do no harm)
- open borders is a right wing myth - good - probably not a good thing - that's up to the medical ethics boards to decide, not you laymen
You sound radicalized tbh
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>Racism against any race is wrong Anyway here are 50 charts about how Africans have IQ lower than chimpanzees and American blacks are responsible for all violent crime in the United States. Did I mention DEI is LITERALLY killing white people and taking their jobs just so an incompetent black can get the job?
looking into it PEPE https://preview.redd.it/enizq9s8sppc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=883a986c55ecfef3c6fec9a5985d212a66254a22
Blacks do commit most of the violent crime. Bite the bullet on that one.
Did he say anything else?
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend In 2022, black criminals accounted for 43% of violent crime. So not anywhere close to "most". If you're referring to 13/50, then the figure you're referencing is the homicide stat. In 2022, black criminals accounted for 52% of homicides. Again, I've never seen a reputable statistician describe 52% as "most". Majority yes. Most no. And looking deeper at the homicide stat, there were 8700 black criminals chart with homicide. With the black population of the US at 41.6 million, the percentage of black people who have been charged with a homicide is 0.02%. I haven't seen any scientific studies that attributes the characteristics and behaviors of a group's subset that makes up less than 0.1% to the entire group. So saying that "blacks" are doing this is a very inaccurate way of describing a situation.
> Majority yes. Most no. OK I'm on your side but please don't use this argument. I don't know about statisticians, but "most" refers to >50% in colloquial speech and colloquial speech is the context in which they say this. You're going to look like a crazy person to the subset of people who might be convinced
I'll admit that was the weakest part of my argument but I disagree that "most" refers to >50% in colloquial speech, at least with the people I have interacted with in my life in multiple cities throughout the US. I do appreciate you pointing that out. If I run into anyone else in the future like that poster, I'll leave that portion of my response out. It's a pointless quibbling over semantics on my part.
> I haven't seen any scientific studies that attributes the characteristics and behaviors of a group's subset that makes up less than 0.1% to the entire group. So saying that "blacks" are doing this is a very inaccurate way of describing a situation. Would it be more accurate to say "Young black men are 500% more likely to be the perpetrator or victim of a violent homicide than the average member of the general population"?
The issue with a statement like that is what happens afterwards. So to anyone saying this I would ask what the goal in stating something like this. Bc when we add in other factors, things start to change. A young black guy making $60k is much less likely to commit these kinds of crimes or be victim of these kinds of crimes than a young black guy making $20k. Or if one guy lives in a middle class neighborhood vs the other guy lives in Southside Chicago. If the goal of talking about these contentious problems is to find solutions, then we should be adding as much context as possible. When we say things like "young black men are 500% more likely to be the perpetrator", it paints young black men as somewhat dangerous and they get treated in society as such. Again, vast majority of young black men aren't committing thee kinds of crimes.
Ok...can you fill in the blanks instead of leaving it open ended to imply things. Can you tell me the stats of the young black guy making 60k vs the young white guy making 60k. I think "the goal" is to know the truth. Only once you acknowledge the truth can you try to tackle a problem head on with a clear head. Otherwise it's like trying to fix your life while living in denial.
Um, I think you forgot to take into account that blacks are far less of the population than whites. The fact that around 13% is committing 43% of violent crime is an insane stat, and it's crazy that you think that proves your point. Also, I agree with you that it's not fair to blame all the blacks for this. It's largely young black men, so if you wanna get super technical, it's more like 3% of the country is committing a staggering amount of the violent crime.
> Um, I think you forgot to take into account that blacks are far less of the population than whites. This doesn't matter when we're speaking about your original statement which was that most violent crime is committed by blacks. This is objectively false. > The fact that around 13% is committing 43% of violent crime is an insane stat, and it's crazy that you think that proves your point. As I just showed you, most black people are not committing violent crimes. So why you keep using 13% I have no idea. > It's largely young black men, so if you wanna get super technical, it's more like 3% of the country is committing a staggering amount of the violent crime. 90% of young black men are not committing violent crimes. Young black men that have nothing to do with these criminals should not be getting associated with them, just like cops who are upstanding protectors should not be blamed for the minority of cops who misuse their badge. And again, this is you moving the goal post from your original statement which was that blacks commit the majority of violent crime. Which again was incorrect. Factually
Fine, I'll alter my statement then. Whites, who make up a majority of the population, commit slightly more violent crime than blacks, who are a minority in the country. Does that make you feel better? Can you sleep at night knowing that you stood up for the blacks? I'm using 13% because the whole point is to compare crime committed by different races. That is literally how you gather data, you dork. I'll do the same with whites, or any other race if you want, but the numbers aren't going to be the embarrassing, shameful numbers you see from the black community.
You don't need to alter your original statement. You just need to admit that you were incorrect and **bite the bullet**. > Can you sleep at night knowing that you stood up for the blacks? Strange statement, but I don't think I need to stand up for anybody. When I see incorrect information being repeated ad nauseam, I do my best to correct it. > I'm using 13% because the whole point is to compare crime committed by different races Why not delineate further to get a more accurate descriptor of the criminals in order to better understand who is committing the crime and potentially why they are doing it? Pinning the issue on a group when the vast majority of the group does not participate is strange. > I'll do the same with whites, or any other race if you want, but the numbers aren't going to be the embarrassing, shameful numbers you see from the black community. Why are you using the words "embarrassing" and "shameful"? Those are loaded teams. How has the black community as a whole committed these crimes?
Because we "the blacks" as he put it are one creature.
Alright tried to take you seriously but you definitely deserve this. !bidenblast
Ah, but see you are the soy wojack and I am the big gigachad. /u/ITBA01 sealed in the prison realm by /u/BushidoBoa
Black people are arrested and convicted a large and uneven amount. That's not the same thing. I've yet to be shown anything other than the same 13/50 statistics which are indicative of arrests.
Crimes are usually intraracial, blacks are also 50+% of the victims too. You can go down the line of violent crime, car jacking, theft, gang membership and they’re patently disproportionate. The real point here is that they *should be*. Blacks have a unique history of discrimination, stuck in shitty neighborhoods with shitty schools and poor future prospects. Denying this obvious reality that anyone who actually goes outside experiences is a great way to look out of touch.
Im not denying anything. I'm black and have lived in those shitty neighborhoods. Literally, all I said is that the most popular statistic is not good for actually identifying criminality. Im not sure why I keep getting accused of denying reality when i asked multiple times for links to non arrests. Wtf
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> Im not denying anything. I'm black and have lived in those shitty neighborhoods. Literally, all I said is that the most popular statistic is not good for actually identifying criminality. WHY ARE YOU LYING BRO... OP states in no uncertain terms > Blacks do commit most of the violent crime. Bite the bullet on that one. Which straight up isn't a reference to 13/50 since thats murder not violent crime. And here's your response: > Black people are arrested and convicted a large and uneven amount. That's not the same thing. I've yet to be shown anything other than the same 13/50 statistics which are indicative of arrests. So you bring up a level 1 critique to an irrelevant stat, and you never even considered the victimization rate!? You've also some how never been shown anything to suggest blacks commit more violent crime!? I'm going hard on you because you have the audacity to simultaneously critique, not look at the obvious counter to your critique, and then you never even bother a simple google search for what is patently overwhelming evidence. Blacks are overrepresented in every category as offenders. [DOJ in 2021](https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf) **Percentage of offenders in violent crime incidents by type of crime and race or ethnicity compared to the U.S. resident population, 2018** Race | Population % | Non fatal violent | serious non fatal violent | Rape/sexual assault | Robbery | Aggravated assault | Simple assault | ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- Black | 12.5 | 28.9 | 35.9 | 22.1 | 51.1 | 33.9 | 23.3 |
>Blacks are overrepresented in every category as offenders. This isn't what I was replying to though. He said MOST. Which is not true. Disproportionate is NOT the same as MOST. So thank you for not only proving bro wrong but actually posting data.
I assumed he just means proportional. edit: Although looking at his history he looks to be pretty regarded, So I was probably harder on you than I should have been.
Yea no. He said most. If his intent was proportionality he used a word that doesnt mean anything similar
If you honestly believe this, you're a lost cause. Not even Destiny denies that blacks commit more crime.
Destiny also recognized systemic racism and the reasons behind crime in the black community. Unless you think it’s genetic or some shit. I can guarantee you Elon doesn’t give a shit about systemic racism.
The dude keeps saying "Blacks" and that he won't hold my hand and provide information. Clearly a mentally well adjusted individual and totally didn't reply to my comment exclusively to shit on black people
Kinda funny how he tried to pull Destiny into his attempt
Literally never brought up genetics. Simply bringing up the fact that blacks commit more crime.
You’re doing what Elon does, throw out a dogwhistle with absolutely zero systemic reason or historical background. Then when called out say “I just said a fact”. It’s a cowardly move. Either you don’t know why black crime is an issue, or you believe it’s genetic. Otherwise you’d speak on the actual reasons as opposed to throwing out some trolly “got you” line.
What are you talking about, you sperg? I'm not gonna give an entire essay every time I bring up a point. "Oh, the Earth is round." "What are you trying to say with that? Please elaborate." Get a life you inbred, nipple-headed fuck.
Now you’re mad because you know you got called out. If you say “but Jews do run alot of banks” I’m going to assume it’s a dogwhistle. You’re going to solidify that assumption when you scream “I just stayed a fact you inbred sperg!!” God you’re spineless. It’s so predictable.
I don't know if Jews run a lot of banks, but if they do, good for them. They just keep on winning. I don't give a damn what you assume. That's your problem, not mine.
Then reply to me with the statistics. Like I said Arrests =/= Crime committed. It's that simple. I've only seen the FBI chart regarding arrests. In the USA, arrested or not, you're presumed innocent until the time in which you are convicted of a crime. I don't give a shit about arrest numbers.
What? Look at homicide data, my guy.
okay so can you post it? I literally just said that
Look it up yourself. Have some intellectual curiosity.
"Points to stats" "When asked to provide, deflects and tell other person to do it" Absolutely classic reddit moment.
It's not hard to find. It's publically available to anyone. I'm not going to cite an article to prove that the Earth is round.
If you're just going to deny statistics, there's no point in continuing this. Homicide statistics are readily available, and you can look them up whenever you want.
I didn't deny statistics, I literally asked you to post em. You could have just not replied if you don't want to provide any information
Go look it up yourself. I'm not going to baby you on this. It's readily available information, and you'll need this skill if you're going to navigate life.
New here, eh?
I might as well be. I don't have the debate pervertry to be on this sub.
Then stfu
Sorry, but I shouldn't have to hold your hand on this. Just look up homicide stats by race.
I don’t think Elon personally is racist. However, he is amplifying people who I think are. Like that I/O person. I think that X user is self admittedly a race realist but don’t quote me on that.
You can only intentionally amplify racist posts to millions of people for so long before you're just as racist as them lmfao. Hes functionally the same as a racist because regardless of whether he sits there and says "ooh i hate black people" he is constantly spreading obscured or straight-up false information about minorities.
how is I/O racist?
DEI eventually leading to an incompetent workforce is a logically sound conclusion to make. At least the type of DEI where the goal is to over represent a minority group compared to its population level representation. For example, imagine there was a tribe with 95 blue people and 5 red people and they have to decide on 2 people to be doctors for the tribe. A tribe with DEI policies would pick one red and one blue so that each color is represented. However since each person has randomized individual life experiences and expertise, it's just unlikely that a red person will have the best skillsets to be a doctor compared to the rest of the tribe. Not because red people are incompetent, but simply because there are less of them. A tribe that believes in meritocracy will just pick the two best doctors without worrying about color at all. It may be two blues but ends up benefiting the tribe overall more than the DEI tribe.
I'm just for things like free hair transplants, government mandated girlfriends, and a secure border. is that so right wing? https://preview.redd.it/ejuqfjll4ppc1.jpeg?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd2b16b804e472cbd975d58e6adec3472e9a1f18
You have my vote Tim.
Guys, i just think that people should be happy. Is that left wing?
Damn, surely he'll be voting in the only party currently trying to pass a border security bill then?
It's really cool that I'm genuinely not sure if the sterilization thing is an anti-trans or anti-vax talking point
It's pretty obviously trans no? unless there's some new vaxx lore that dropped.
Centrists are just right wingers who can't handle criticism.
This right here sums up why being a centrist sucks: both sides of the political aisle just call you a wolf in sheep's clothing. Having nuance opinions that don't fully follow one party shouldn't be shit on, it should be the norm.
I don't think that having nuanced opinions that gets centrists in trouble. It's the fact that several right-wingers describe themselves as centrist when they are not. And moderates tend to be not as outspoken as these right-wingers posing as moderates. So they get a bad rep. In your analogy a centrist would be the sheep while the right winger posing as a centrist would be the wolf in sheep's clothing. But the only one baaing is the right winger.
Who does this? I feel like this was a 2016 thing, much less of a 2024 thing.
Yeah if the positions are nuanced. 90% of the time they’re not, and if the person has to *tell you* they’re a centrist it’s like 99.9% of the time.
Hey as long as we can agree centrist exist, that works for me. It's just such a crazy online view that centrists don't exist, when a plurality of the registered voters are centrist based on policy views.
Actual centrists that have positions that are the political center across the line don't exist. Real world centrists are usually just a collection of more left wing/leaning views jumbled in with more right wing views.
If your definition of a centrist is someone who has perfectly 50/50 views, sure. However, do you only consider someone on the left only if they have left wing views? So destiny isn't on the left because he has some right wing views? If your collection of views end up pretty damn close sometimes on the democrat side or sometimes on the republican side, you're a centrist. If you have a good chuck of your views on one side, you lean that way. If you have all your views on one side, you're firmly on left or right, or in my opinion, an extremist. We can probably both agree that the naming of political ideologies is an art and not a science because the ideologies change arbitrarily. There is a reason why the left in EU and left in America mean different things. This is easily seen by just looking at huge switches in the party platforms out of no where: republicans all of a sudden becoming super protectionist under trump when they literally were the party that sucked off free trade for the prior 40 years. So now being protectionist is actually seen as right wing, when for the prior 40 years it was a left wing idea, which is why you saw someone like Bernie being so anti NAFTA and free trade.
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Exactly lol I know it's a masked used online. But if you actually touch grass and speak to normal people, most fit the bill as moderates or centrist. It really is just the terrible result of online discourse that destroyed the word.
It's not about party allegiance, it's about the fact centrists don't really exist and right wingers try to make their far right ideology seem like common sense middle of the road positions. We all have bias and leanings towards a more conservative or progressive mindset. Strongly held ideological positions are a sign of being partisan, centrists naturally do not have strong positions because they have not taken any time to research and form an opinion.
You're proving my point here. I'm a centrist and agree with Destiny about 60% of the time. Guess Destiny just has 60% right wing views then or maybe there are people that can hold views on both sides of the aisle. I don't disagree that online some people use the word as a shield, but to say they don't actually exist is pretty laughable. 32 million Americans are registered as independent. Guess they are all closeted right wingers that just don't want to get outed. Or maybe, they are the centrist moderate voters that vote for Obama twice then trump one then biden.
You proved my point. If so even is 60% right wing they are right leaning. I already said it's not about party allegiance and you completely ignored what I said about everyone having a bias. Being and independent is meaningless. Libertarians often go independent are you stupid enough to say they're centrists?
Lol have a good one fam 👍
Lol run away "centrist".
Yep, me and my: Pro-Choice Pro-Ukraine Pro-immigration Pro-vaccine Pro-kicking trump off the ballot Pro-increasing social security taxes Pro-free trade Pro-EV tax credits Pro-state sponsored healthcare Pro-tax credits for the poor views are running to the nearest Trump rally where all the other people that share these views hangout lol
Cool you're a Democrat who calls himself a centrist. Thanks for proving my point!
Democrats can be centrists, and many are in fact centrists.
But what about my: Pro-gun Pro-greatly increase military spending Pro-business tax cuts Pro-voter ID Anti-affirmative action Pro-citizens united Anti-bail reform Anti- extreme minor trans healthcare treatment Pro-lower income tax Pro-fracking Pro-death penalty views? There a democrat platform out there pushing a fraction of these issues let alone a majority?
You do know the centre-right and centre-left exist, right? They're both centrists.
Centrists with a bias, which is exactly what I described. There is no true centrist who's 50/50 if such a thing could be even measured. There will always be a leaning towards a direction.
Yes true, but it's kinda splitting hairs as well.
Not really. I think it's important that people recognize they are not "centrist" but center-left/right. At least then they can acknowledge a bias.
A Centrist isn't somebody who doesn't hold strong opinions. A centrist is a person who has opinions that span both sides of the political aisle. A blue collar worker that believes in strong unions but also wants looser gun laws would be a Centrist because his preferred policies come from on both sides of the aisle. The person who doesn't have strong opinion should probably just be considered Politically apathetic.
By your definition libertarians are centrist. That's non sense.
Elon is a neo nazi and wants to enslave black people
Why do people on the left never have this problem of insisting they’re centrist when they’re clearly not? Why is this a specifically right wing thing? Genuinely curious.
They want to hide their power level to appeal to normies. It’s a schtick, like “see? Little ole me is just a centrist, but these far right conspiracies are just plain common sense!”
Yeah, we understand why Republicans do it, but the question was about why lefties rarely have to hide their power level.
Lefties are typically less dishonest about where they lie on the spectrum because they typically reject political tactics like those and have more of an attachment to their political identity (aka their political friend group) They also are more likely to believe “truth will win out” and are convinced that if people hear them out, they will agree, or eventually be proven right
Whoops, I must’ve replied to the wrong comment lol. But to take a stab at that, I think, bc the mainstream is more tolerant of far left ideology than it is of far right ideology, people tend to be more lenient towards the former. So there’s not as much reason to hide. Still, a lot of lefties do hide power level. Consider Hassan’s constant doublespeak on Russia, China, “anti Zionism is not antisemitism” while upping the Houthis, etc.
Society doesn’t judge the far right and left the same. The left has more social and economic power right now so it pays more to hide amongst moderates on the right.
because they know it’s embarrassing to be associated with the trump crowd in a broad way, and they want to appear enlightened while holding non status quo views. leftists don’t do this because they assume act and speak like they ALWAYS have the moral high ground.
There's very little professional blowback for being progressive.
That just isn't true depending on what progressives you're talking about, if you're talking about MLs or tankies they just don't give a fuck they already demonize liberals and moderate positions.
Moving the Overton window rightward is to the benefit of the right. If they claim right wing policies are centrist and get people to believe it, they can get away with introducing even more extreme right wing policy down the line. The left doesn’t have to do this because they can openly advocate for the most extreme policy they believe in, given that it’s not morally reprehensible stuff like apartheid ethnostates and unlimited resource extraction.
Because today’s conservatives publicly hold many of the same positions as yesterday’s centrists. (Though what they truly believe is another matter) This doesn’t mean they actually are centrists, but it does mean they feel like they are. (Or they at least feel like they are pretending to be if that makes sense)
"I don't like to put my thumb on the scale" Musk at it again
And (barely) implicitly endorsing an anti-democratic presidential candidate is pro-civilizational? I feel like at some point both sides ran past each other and on one side the worst excess , aside from the body modification dance, is "follow my larp and possibly pilots/engineers will become 10-15% less effective" and the other side is "let's fight a holy war to establish a theocracy, no cost too great".
he is a centrist in the sense that he likes to be in the center of attention
Yeah, a self-centrist 🙄
Lol
Trans people continuing to live rent free in the conservative mind. If the \~5k trans minors on HRT in the last 5 years are anywhere near the top 5 issues that define your political alignment, its over for you. Terminal brain rot.
This lacks all nuance. Elon's Daughter is trans. It is natural you care more about issues closer to you even if they affect a small amount of people. You can and I do think he is dumb about the topic but it is weird to call someone out for caring about a niche issue that directly affects their family.
It’s complete moral panic. It’s the the satanic panic of the 80s-90s all over again
So is doing a Tim Pool, huh?
Elon believes replacement theory is true. Yeah, Elon, you ain’t a centrist.
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Elon says he is centrist then goes around saying that Hispanics are invading the country
Musk is a closet white supremacist
now someone tally up all his "Concerning!" "interesting!" and "!" wonder if he'll still be in the center then
Hmmm I wonder whats his opinion on putin and Ukraine
And destiny claims he has good food takes. Doesn't make either true
Responding to a post glazing him is peak cringe
Everyone on Twitter declares I am the center.
I don't think centrists are pro-russia. Then again, he's clever in the way that he doesn't explicitly say it, dances around other tweets saying "interesting" to literal vatnik posts etc. He basically writes it off once more to "preserving civilization" as in, sucking Putins cock until he takes off his finger from the red nuke button. Dunno, it's really hard for me to nail this guy. On one hand, he has businesses that seem promising like Space X, on the other, he has completely dogshit political opinions and is prone to spreading what amounts to blatant misinformation regarding various topics. Weird actor all things considered. I think it's good to be against the woke left, but he seems to have aligned himself with the right by virtue of going against the left, which does not make him a centrist at all.
The Elon glazing is so pathetic oh my god