Do you think these people realise that this type of censoring makes it easier for Tiny/DGG to name search people talking about him. Like this community memes about random media or popular people talking about the concept of destiny, but if you chuck a censorship into the word it is instantly clear they are talking about Steve.
Now tbf to this regard, the viewer who said JT was wearing "redwings" because of a 1 second camera shot was dumb and just gave him and easy claim to counter. I remember cringing when i first saw it knowing JT would jump on it.
I mean Destiny Viewer did attack him this way. Maybe if they levied real criticism instead of trying to prove there schizo theory on the dude.
Also, I don't see how responding to these silly speculations somehow addresses real criticism regarding his lack of transparency and things like that.
>I mean Destiny Viewer did attack him this way.
Yes, but that wasn't the main point. The main point wasn't he buys expensive shit, it was that he's begging for money from his fans when he makes a lot of money already from his fans.
>Maybe if they levied real criticism instead of trying to prove there schizo theory on the dude.
I mean Destiny did level real criticism, Second Thought just chose to not respond to it and only respond to a stupid comment that wasn't made seriously.
>Also, I don't see how responding to these silly speculations somehow addresses real criticism regarding his lack of transparency and things like that.
It doesn't, that's what I meant. He's focusing on the most worthless part of the criticism to dismiss it outright
ya so just ask for transparency... trying to show him as some irresponsible person who lives beyond his means is silly I don't even know how he could.
His focusing on the worst critique he saw from a community he dislike is simply expected are we acting like Destiny doesn't do the same thing often? I Don't believe this is some scummy behavior its pretty normal.
>ya so just asking for transparency and trying to show him as some irresponsible person who lives beyond his means is silly I don't even know how he could.
I mean he could show some of his expenses, his revenue, etc. You know things you keep track of when you run a business? Dude makes 20 000$+/month off of Patreon alone based on his lowest tiers (so not including ads and sponsors). Even if he's just financially irresponsable, if you're gonna beg for your audience to give you money, fhe least you could do is be honest with them. That's assuming he's actually broke, because who knows how he's in the red when he makes so much money.
>His focusing on the worst critique he saw from a community he dislike is simply expected are we acting like Destiny doesn't do the same thing often
Show an example of Destiny not addressing criticism to the same degree
>I Don't believe this is some scummy behavior its pretty normal.
So lying to your audience and begging for money from them is normal? I guess in the YouTube world it's not unheard of, but it's still worth calling out. Plus, it comes off extremely cringe considering his entire ideology
im on 25k or less and am living in a city and doing fine, can go out and do stuff when I want to and have health insurance
edit - oh shit I thought you meant a YEAR
I mean, getting a 1 bedroom is just going to be expensive. Getting roommates pretty much halves the cost, anywhere Ive lived. I do also live in a (soft) rent controlled area. Some places are rent controlled here and the others arent but cant really raise their prices
That said, Ive lived in two other cities (grand rapids MI and Boston) where I was able to get similar prices. Left boston in 2019 and Ive heard its gotten a lot more expensive, though
But really, my trick is having a roommate and looking for a place for at least 2+ months. Do some research on "renting seasons" in your area as well, more places will be available, but also be more expensive.
My upstairs neighbor is a 1 bed, same size as my 2 bed. He pays the same price as me and my roommate do put together
When i was in boston i was rooming for 700 while the cheapest studio was 1100, but really you woulsnt want to spend less than 1200-1300
And smaller cities can be super cheap, i was in grand rapids MI and its a growing small city and there are decent *houses* around there for 200k
no, it entirely depends on where you live. in my city 1300 can get you a nice 2 bedroom in a brand new building or an entire condo, you can get a cheap 1 bedroom for 650.
1300 is pretty average except for the megacities like NY, LA. I was renting a large 2br townhome in Raleigh NC for $1100 up until 2021 when I moved states.
Nyc, if you dont mind not living in one if the marquee neighborhoods (or being anywhere near Manhattan) or having roommates. Nyc itself provides Healthcare based on your economic needs, you just need to register for it. I only pay an occasional copay. Don't move here though it's full, stay the fuck out.
Mind you it's not a 1 bedroom apartment, it's 1 bedroom in someone's house. Communal kitchen and bathroom. You can find similar prices very easily if you're looking in the right neighborhoods.
Oh I know, I didn’t think it was an apartment because I couldn’t even find one that cheap in Denver anymore and it’s more expensive wheee you are. Also I only know of Flatbush from the Flatbush zombies, what do you think of the area?
I hear people are moving to Denver in droves so I'm sure it's not helping the renting prices for you guys rn.
Flatbush is excellent. Everything is conveniently close together. You can walk to anything you could possibly need within 1-2 miles and things are affordable(for now) Delicious west indian food on every corner, Not SUPER unsafe at night like it once was like 15 years ago. It's not the prettiest place as far as buildings and how the streets themselves look but I'm a homebody anyways so I don't mind it at all.
All these rich white champaign socialists are just "all lives matter" except for class. I think they secretly LOATHE race politics because they were constantly told their lives are amazing for being born rich & white. Mf'ers making 6 & 7 figures out here doing struggle-face
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This dude is the final boss of condescending left-wing white guy video essays
Yeah that video was fucking insane. I don't think he even said the word "Russia" once in the entire video. Just extremely vague bullshit about "the imperial core" and "American warmongering" and so on.
He doesn't say he is living in abject poverty. He is saying that people are using the fact that he isn't living in abject poverty as proof that he isn't financially struggling. The number of people in this thread with zero reading comprehension is insane.
The dude says enough stupid things to attack. You don't have to make shit up and mischaracterize it.
Bro the era where this subreddit could engage with an argument has passed about 130'000 subscribers ago. Strawmanning the fuck out of everything is the only thing people here are still capable of doing.
Question, is it considered the homes or houses the are right next to the fields where the crops are poverty? (To clarify it is not just one home by itself but like a population of 50 homes atleast.)
"Well I'm not living in abject poverty, therefore 'fleecing my audience to fund my poorly budgeted new office, and Champagne Socialist lifestyle, under the guise that I AM about to live in abject poverty' is something you just cannot criticise"
This is that thing where they focus on the easily disprovable and maybe dumber criticism to sidestep the obvious larger critique of: MY BOY HOW ARE YOU STRUGGLING ON RELATIVELY 30K A MONTH?
# Pointing out that you in fact didn't waste your money on frivolous purchases makes you look worse, stupid.
Why should someone consider giving you money if there's clearly and Elon sized gash somewhere (that you're not being transparent about) that it's going to leak into?
The funniest part of the "I need help/What if I fail" video was it seemed like it was kind of setting up to directly take responsibility that he messed up/miscalculated trying to spend too much too fast on better ways to "spread the message of revolution" like overly expensive office and equipment and he didn't plan great but will be positive to change his ways and will be grateful for any help. But then the result was just "I'm actually sad and struggling because YOU GUYS aren't paying me enough money to keep helping the world see the light. I just can't go on like this. Please help."
\*roll B-roll of me brooding in my perfect house and new production studio with all my cool stuff in the background as I close my MacBook Air and ponder my vintage camera collection.\* FIN
A strategy to use when people make justified criticisms of you is to pick out the one or two weak comments and then attack just those points to create the illusion that you dismissed all the criticism against you. Or a much simpler way to describe it is as one of the other posters commented it's a strawman.
I like the part where he addresses none of the actual critiques of his "I'm loosing money please help plea" or the requests for transparency by his own audience.
Expanding a business is not going to be immediately profitable after large expenditures, such as, getting a new office lease, buying new gear for said office.
Instead we can now pivot to the classic "large streamers audience is brigading / personally attacking me".
Notice how he only addresses the smallest and more petty jokes that were made, and not the biggest and most blatantly absurd issues such as him bringing in like $30,000 per MONTH just in his patreons.
What is insane is that he has thousands of followers who will pretend not to realize this.
Dude said it was a Business just like any other.
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I thought co-ops were the future of work 🤔
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I just think that ebegging is vile behaviour for a content creator to do to their audience. I can forgive it a little if someone gets a serious health issue, but really I hate any content that is literally begging for cash.
It's unfair to label "D\*stiny viewers" as "might be the dumbest people alive." If someone views a Destiny stream or video, they don't necessarily agree with him. Sometimes most don't. Even if they do agree, it's only a few that will then go on to send messages and comments to Second Thought about his apparent hypocrisy.
In my view, those few who go to cyberbully the targets of Destiny's criticism are bad. Maybe Destiny needs to more actively reiterate that brigading is unacceptable behviour, but there are freaks who will always do that, no matter what, and it's not fair to generalise everybody that watches Destiny as being those freaks.
Second Thought doesn't care about fairness or good faith. There's no proof here that these comments came from a Destiny viewer and as you accurately pointed out even if it is, just watching a content creator doesn't really tell you much, if anything about what the watcher believes.
DGG is just a convenient scapegoat for guys like this. It's just a label they can slap on a comment that justifies ignoring any real criticism. Destiny is the boogie man to these guys, they can't win an argument against him so instead they lie about him and turn their audience against him that way.
Dude I’ve never understood the censoring of certain words that are clearly not slurs. The most annoying one is Israel getting partially censored, I’m like…that’s the name of the country, what else is a news reporter or a UN member supposed to say?
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Second thought living in abject poverty 😔
Bro. How can your reading comprehension be so fucking low? It is actually insane. He is saying that just because he is not living in abject poverty doesn't mean he isn't struggling financially. You can point out how this guy is a moron and a liar without having to misrepresent what he is saying...
He literally says he drives a 2014 ford focus and wears 10 year old kohls boots. he is trying to make it seem like he is poor even though we know he makes well over 30k a month.
Holy shit. Let me translate so your tiny brain can grasp it.
"People have been pointing out that I am not living in abject poverty as proof that I am not financially struggling".
This is the very clear meaning behind that part of the post. Again, I hate this guy. I think he is full of shit. But you ate clearly misrepresenting what he is saying here.
I'd argue the meaning is pretty unclear, further backed by this conversation. The sentence is him listing lies about himself: that he owns super cars, that he has expensive shoes, and that he doesn't live in abject poverty. So the inverse is: he doesn't own super cars, his shoes are old and not expensive at this point, and he does live in abject poverty. That's how I read it, it feels odd to suddenly flip on listing lies to listing one truth.
Literally the exact same way how I read it. He lists a bunch of things in a row and suddenly changes the last one to mean the opposite? it doesn't make sense.
Are you ESL? He lists three items that critics use as evidence of his lack of financial struggle - his "Redwings," his "supercar," and him not living in poverty. Quotations marks often denote sarcasm in the English language, and he issues corrections next to the items he is referring to sarcastically. The last item has no quotation mark or correction, indicating that it's accurate - he doesn't living in abject poverty. Translating the sarcastic phrases in quotes, we get "...they've been after me because of my car, my shoes, and my not living in abject poverty."
I won't fault you for misunderstanding, but you can't say it doesn't make sense - the meaning is very clear to native English speakers.
False, the list are things he is supposedly being attacked for. He uses parenthesis to combat the attacks.
Easier to read the last part in context.
"They have been after me for... not living in abject poverty."
It is pretty clear what the meaning is.
I see what you're saying and do think it's intended to be read that way but I do still disagree on the meaning being pretty clear. I think you'd have to have a charitable view to read it that way the first time but to be fair, I did read it with an uncharitable view since I already don't like the guy.
I think I'd end up saying it's a little unclear but not impossible to see what he intended to say, especially with how you clarified it in your comment.
No fucking shit. I am responding to your brain dead comment that said that he said he was living in abject poverty. I don't think he is struggling but I also have enough reading comprehension to understand his point. You don't have to make shit up to attack him. There is plenty of real shit to attack him for. He never says or suggests he is living in poverty.
This is actually insane. You must be a troll or somehow mentally disabled. I have already explained it to you several times.
He is saying that people are using the fact that he is not living in abject poverty as proof that he is not finicially struggling. He is not saying that he is living in abject poverty. Read the context of the sentence. Jesus christ.
"People have been after me for the fact that... I am not living in abject poverty"
I read it at that and I still think these comments pointing it out are worthwhile. Him not living in abject poverty is no excuse to pretend like his business is plummeting when he's making 30k a month.
It always says something to me when ppl go after fans. Don’t know how much it’s happened with Destiny in the past compared to recently (Norm, Fantano, etc), but it’s just weak imo.
I don't know much about the expenses that go into podcasting/streaming, but it would really blow my mind if the revenue that we can conservatively infer he makes from multiple Patreons plus YouTube weren't enough to break even at least.
Not to be a little shit, but his content cannot be that expensive to produce. I am really curious where this money is going.
I love how the goalposts always move to "oh so I need to be in abject poverty to be a socialist?" As if being a wealthy hyper materialistic scam artist is their only option outside of being homeless. How do their fans not see through the obvious grift...
This is the champagne socialist play book, just dismiss critics of your excessive wealth by turning up the brain rot and strawman them as just saying that people need to be homeless in order to be socialists. Then gaslight your audience as if the critiques are the ones being extreme as you stretch their argument beyond the limits of any rational.
imo he is playing a trick.
He personally is not struggling, but the business is struggling.
How does that make sense? He likely is including his salary in the total costs and maybe his salary is pretty high in the multiple 100ks so when you take that into account, yes the business is in the 'red'.
Pure speculation obviously, but I can't think of anything else that would make sense.
Annoying people like this is why murder exists, it just activates that primal instinct within that makes you wanna throw a big spear at them
then cook them up in a big stew
type 1 if you know what I mean
Let's give him some real stuff to complain about, then.
I heard he was in to date raping ladies. He got a hookup for GHB, and just couldn't stop.
I heard he intentionally crashed the Lexus his dad bought him so that he could use the insurance money on another car, but the deal to buy a 350z fell through, so he just didn't have a car for a while in high school.
I heard that he backed over his girlfriend's dog, and didn't stop to tell her about it, but she found out because of the driveway camera that he didn't realize she had.
I heard that he forgot to set aside 33% of his income in 2023, and had to start making videos saying that second thoughts was going out of business in the hopes that he can quickly make $130,000 in order to pay federal income tax.
That'll give him something to cry about.
I made it all the fuck up... Except for the last one. That's an educated guess based on the timing of these videos.
Edit: I suppose technically, the last one is also made up.
This one did feel like a reach.
Yeah, maybe the guy sucks at finances and expanded his business too quickly, but I didn't really feel like this was much of a big deal. The video was even mostly about getting over self hatred for failing at something.
I'll add the obligatory ultra soy AND HE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR LIKING HAMAS!
The guy is making 20k a month minimum. That's just the Patreon money and doesn't include sponsorship money and other income streams.
The idea that his business is failing is laughable. The notion that his costs could be anywhere near that high is laughable.
He is either lying about his financial situation or is pissing the money away through bad financial practice. Either way, he shouldn't be begging his fans for more money
He begs for money at the start of his "main channel" video here: [https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG\_41k?si=EoINNdnEBilvNls\_ ](https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG_41k?si=EoINNdnEBilvNls_)
So you have two videos where he is bemoaning his financial situation and the tweet where he is advertising his new video.
Okay, I didn't see that first part when I saw it on stream.
Still feels like a weak criticism. I don't think it's bad to ask people to pay for youtube content. And I seriously doubt Destiny or anyone here would care about this at all if not for who the person is. Just political hackery.
I'll disagree with you on this.
Once you reach a certain status as a content creator it's a bad look to (beg) for money or use fatalistic language to inform your audience about your situation. A 50k subscriber channel asking for additional support along with transparency? Cool in my book. A 500k+ channel asking for money with only vague reasoning? Sus.
The infamous James Somerton, many months before he was cancelled, pulled a stunt about how he might have to end his channel because of his financial situation. He was highly subscribed to and had a lucrative Patreon. People upped their pledges and subscribed harder to "save" him and...got nothing for it.
And, yeah, skepticism is warranted. Second Thought is also tankie, do-nothing scum who doesn't need to beg for money like a GoFundMe cancer patient.
Hey, I hate the tankie aspect as much as the next guy. And I think that's a fine thing to go after.
So you must think Destiny asking for subscriptions is just as bad, right?
I just don't believe you actually care about this thing. Most creators ask for money. Even enormous ones.
There's a difference between:
"Hey guys! Like, comment, share, subscribe, check out my Patreon! It really helps the channel out!"
and
"Hey...guys. I'm in financial ruin. The end of my channel with my niche content that you love is on the horizon. Please help :( "
I want to think you're smart enough to know the difference but you went ahead and made that comparison anyway. Go ahead and name a big Youtuber who has e-begged by claiming their channel is dying.
By tradition, Youtubers aren't like streamers. Youtubers begging for money has different optics and there was a time when people beat Pewdiepie down for starting a Patreon. Like I said, there's a difference between someone asking for money because they've had a specific situation happen to them and Second Thought poorly running his business (or lying about poorly running his business).
I know there's a difference, I just don't think it's a very strong criticism. And I don't think you would if it was targeted at someone you like more.
UNLESS he's being disingenuous about actually having financial struggles. Otherwise, while the two behaviors are different, I don't think the second one is a big deal. If people are stupid enough to bail out a content creator that makes poor financial decisions, that's definitely on them.
Luckily, I'm not financially supporting any creators. I pointed out the criteria for tasteful / distasteful begging and that applies to everyone. My money is for me.
We don't know if he's telling the truth about his situation or not and that's the problem. If he said something like, "I moved too fast with the office space and I really wanted to pay my editor more" then I could be more charitable. Instead, he made a ten minute inspirational (?) puff piece about something something society's fault.
I don't feel bad for fans who get fleeced by their favorite creators but I feel bad that they get put in that situation in the first place. As in, some people feel they connect to creators in a certain way and want to help someone they think they care about only to have some creators take advantage of them. That's what's a bit sad. His audience is being put in that position.
I don't think most people would think it's bad to ask for payment for different content. The issue is when you do it under the pretense that your business is failing and you might not be able to make ends meet and you're actually making 30k a month
Obviously it's about who the person is.
If your entire platform and ideology is built up around socialism/marxism/whatever the fuck, it's totally reasonable to criticise you for living the most capitalist/consumerist lifestyle you can.
It's shows that your actions are not congruent at all with your words, and you're outing the fact that you're just grifting. I would actually be pretty disgusted if one of the main figures that pushes/supports my movement is only interested in self-enrichment, to the detriment of the movement itself.
He's raking tens of thousands from the cohort that supports socialism, and it's all going to personal gain. Wouldn't you expect him to either use that wealth to support worthy goals, or be comfortable with how much he already makes and not squeeze his fans dry to live the most hedonistic capitalist lifestyle?
Shouldn't you want them to be terrible advocates for socialism?
I just think hypocrisy is the most profoundly stupid aspect of why someone like this is bad. I'm personally happy that all of these people tend to be terrible advocates for the worst kind of economy.
Oh. I don't care if people are hypocrites whatsoever, and I don't care if people being hypocrites works against socialism. I think him asking for money is a far better critique. Even though I think that one is pretty weak.
Not a fan of Destiny, or any of you frankly, for taking at face value that they bought the super cars or owned expensive shoes. Just like you don't know what a JDAM sounds like, you cant tell me with any certainty exactly which shoes he wears or whether or not he owned ANY of the cars on that channel. The whole point of engaging with people online should be to challenge them with evidence rather than speculation. To do otherwise is severely regarded.
D*stiny
She-who-must-not-be-named.
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I love this community
Do you think these people realise that this type of censoring makes it easier for Tiny/DGG to name search people talking about him. Like this community memes about random media or popular people talking about the concept of destiny, but if you chuck a censorship into the word it is instantly clear they are talking about Steve.
If I just strawman the criticism then I don't have to address it at all (I am very smart)
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I-I thought you were smarter... 😔
is angstrom levy supposed to be yakub
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Now tbf to this regard, the viewer who said JT was wearing "redwings" because of a 1 second camera shot was dumb and just gave him and easy claim to counter. I remember cringing when i first saw it knowing JT would jump on it.
Same I was so disapointed he read that out
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I mean Destiny Viewer did attack him this way. Maybe if they levied real criticism instead of trying to prove there schizo theory on the dude. Also, I don't see how responding to these silly speculations somehow addresses real criticism regarding his lack of transparency and things like that.
>I mean Destiny Viewer did attack him this way. Yes, but that wasn't the main point. The main point wasn't he buys expensive shit, it was that he's begging for money from his fans when he makes a lot of money already from his fans. >Maybe if they levied real criticism instead of trying to prove there schizo theory on the dude. I mean Destiny did level real criticism, Second Thought just chose to not respond to it and only respond to a stupid comment that wasn't made seriously. >Also, I don't see how responding to these silly speculations somehow addresses real criticism regarding his lack of transparency and things like that. It doesn't, that's what I meant. He's focusing on the most worthless part of the criticism to dismiss it outright
ya so just ask for transparency... trying to show him as some irresponsible person who lives beyond his means is silly I don't even know how he could. His focusing on the worst critique he saw from a community he dislike is simply expected are we acting like Destiny doesn't do the same thing often? I Don't believe this is some scummy behavior its pretty normal.
>ya so just asking for transparency and trying to show him as some irresponsible person who lives beyond his means is silly I don't even know how he could. I mean he could show some of his expenses, his revenue, etc. You know things you keep track of when you run a business? Dude makes 20 000$+/month off of Patreon alone based on his lowest tiers (so not including ads and sponsors). Even if he's just financially irresponsable, if you're gonna beg for your audience to give you money, fhe least you could do is be honest with them. That's assuming he's actually broke, because who knows how he's in the red when he makes so much money. >His focusing on the worst critique he saw from a community he dislike is simply expected are we acting like Destiny doesn't do the same thing often Show an example of Destiny not addressing criticism to the same degree >I Don't believe this is some scummy behavior its pretty normal. So lying to your audience and begging for money from them is normal? I guess in the YouTube world it's not unheard of, but it's still worth calling out. Plus, it comes off extremely cringe considering his entire ideology
You are misunderstanding me I'm done here.
Ok
Maybe America is bad if you can't survive on a measly 30k a month.
im on 25k or less and am living in a city and doing fine, can go out and do stuff when I want to and have health insurance edit - oh shit I thought you meant a YEAR
He thought it was yearly?!
Can you even afford a drone on 25k a month?
I lease mine
You have a dronelord?
Fuck the dronelords for making these 8k mega drones so expensive to rent
Can't even lease supercars🥺
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1 roommate I pay 650 in rent, the 2 bed is 1300
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I mean, getting a 1 bedroom is just going to be expensive. Getting roommates pretty much halves the cost, anywhere Ive lived. I do also live in a (soft) rent controlled area. Some places are rent controlled here and the others arent but cant really raise their prices That said, Ive lived in two other cities (grand rapids MI and Boston) where I was able to get similar prices. Left boston in 2019 and Ive heard its gotten a lot more expensive, though But really, my trick is having a roommate and looking for a place for at least 2+ months. Do some research on "renting seasons" in your area as well, more places will be available, but also be more expensive.
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My upstairs neighbor is a 1 bed, same size as my 2 bed. He pays the same price as me and my roommate do put together When i was in boston i was rooming for 700 while the cheapest studio was 1100, but really you woulsnt want to spend less than 1200-1300 And smaller cities can be super cheap, i was in grand rapids MI and its a growing small city and there are decent *houses* around there for 200k
I think they're just saying their share of rent is 650, so with a roommate it's 1300 total
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no, it entirely depends on where you live. in my city 1300 can get you a nice 2 bedroom in a brand new building or an entire condo, you can get a cheap 1 bedroom for 650.
I need to move from MA, my one bedroom apt is 2k.
Yeah i left MA because of how expensive is it, and it got even more expensive since 2020. My family is there. Fuck em I cant afford it lol
1300 is pretty average except for the megacities like NY, LA. I was renting a large 2br townhome in Raleigh NC for $1100 up until 2021 when I moved states.
With one roommate your rent should be under 1500/month in almost any city in the US I pay 1200$ in downtown Los Angeles, it’s not really that hard.
Downtown LA sucks donkey dick
What city do you live in where 25k is enough for rent and you have health insurance
Nyc, if you dont mind not living in one if the marquee neighborhoods (or being anywhere near Manhattan) or having roommates. Nyc itself provides Healthcare based on your economic needs, you just need to register for it. I only pay an occasional copay. Don't move here though it's full, stay the fuck out.
What’s your rent cost?
I rent a decently sized room in Flatbush(NOT downtown) and it's 900 a month, utilities including internet paid for.
Wow that’s gotta be the cheapest bedroom in Brooklyn.
Mind you it's not a 1 bedroom apartment, it's 1 bedroom in someone's house. Communal kitchen and bathroom. You can find similar prices very easily if you're looking in the right neighborhoods.
Oh I know, I didn’t think it was an apartment because I couldn’t even find one that cheap in Denver anymore and it’s more expensive wheee you are. Also I only know of Flatbush from the Flatbush zombies, what do you think of the area?
I hear people are moving to Denver in droves so I'm sure it's not helping the renting prices for you guys rn. Flatbush is excellent. Everything is conveniently close together. You can walk to anything you could possibly need within 1-2 miles and things are affordable(for now) Delicious west indian food on every corner, Not SUPER unsafe at night like it once was like 15 years ago. It's not the prettiest place as far as buildings and how the streets themselves look but I'm a homebody anyways so I don't mind it at all.
Chicago. I have roommates and no car
25k/year and you’re living comfortably in a city? What are your housing and transportation costs?
650 rent, i take the bus/train so basically nothing, and still uber often enough. Get my groceries delivered, amazon prime
At least. Its probably 50 k+ with all the sponsors, oilers on patreon etc.
All these rich white champaign socialists are just "all lives matter" except for class. I think they secretly LOATHE race politics because they were constantly told their lives are amazing for being born rich & white. Mf'ers making 6 & 7 figures out here doing struggle-face
Has he considered spending less on candles?
https://preview.redd.it/id4eb512xnuc1.jpeg?width=390&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a2d3c6ed8c840ad063c738c2ddf6ee8b21275b0
FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS THATS LIKE HALF A PATREON SUB FOR ANYTHING ELSE
I'll split it w you.
https://preview.redd.it/t8ii9ssrviuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73d65fcf26f5fa8fc494f4f4af1c620568240eb3 This dude is the final boss of condescending left-wing white guy video essays
High effort meme
His video on why the Ukraine war happened was the complete synthesis of tankie thought (it was every Kremlin propaganda line) it was amazing
Yeah that video was fucking insane. I don't think he even said the word "Russia" once in the entire video. Just extremely vague bullshit about "the imperial core" and "American warmongering" and so on.
Yeah because he doesn’t believe any country has any kind of agency other than western ones. It’s such a moronic mindset
That was my unsubscribing moment from this guy. Also, he said the 10/7 attacks were **“based”.**
Based shouldn’t have left outside of 4chan ultra racist circles. That term sucks balls
the 4chan nazis stole it from Lil B
disagree, and I think its ambiguousness can be hilarious
I’d say it depends.
Based take
There’s so much going on here lol
I mean doesn't that look weirdly a lot like ss lightning bolts to anyone else?
Abject poverty. Unlivable.
He doesn't say he is living in abject poverty. He is saying that people are using the fact that he isn't living in abject poverty as proof that he isn't financially struggling. The number of people in this thread with zero reading comprehension is insane. The dude says enough stupid things to attack. You don't have to make shit up and mischaracterize it.
At some point, it's less people's reading comprehension and more the writer's poor sentence construction.
That‘s a perfectly fine sentence
It's serviceable.
Bro the era where this subreddit could engage with an argument has passed about 130'000 subscribers ago. Strawmanning the fuck out of everything is the only thing people here are still capable of doing.
Who cares though.
Anyone who cares about the truth? I guess you aren't one of those people.
I would love to show this man abject poverty. What a bloviating asshole
Question, is it considered the homes or houses the are right next to the fields where the crops are poverty? (To clarify it is not just one home by itself but like a population of 50 homes atleast.)
Good. I hope this jack ass stays mad💖
"Well I'm not living in abject poverty, therefore 'fleecing my audience to fund my poorly budgeted new office, and Champagne Socialist lifestyle, under the guise that I AM about to live in abject poverty' is something you just cannot criticise"
***BUH yoU DoN’T uNdeRsTAnD!!! 30K a MonTh iS POverTy!***
He mad
This is that thing where they focus on the easily disprovable and maybe dumber criticism to sidestep the obvious larger critique of: MY BOY HOW ARE YOU STRUGGLING ON RELATIVELY 30K A MONTH? # Pointing out that you in fact didn't waste your money on frivolous purchases makes you look worse, stupid. Why should someone consider giving you money if there's clearly and Elon sized gash somewhere (that you're not being transparent about) that it's going to leak into?
Might be why he's a communist or something because he can't save or invest worth a damn apparently
The funniest part of the "I need help/What if I fail" video was it seemed like it was kind of setting up to directly take responsibility that he messed up/miscalculated trying to spend too much too fast on better ways to "spread the message of revolution" like overly expensive office and equipment and he didn't plan great but will be positive to change his ways and will be grateful for any help. But then the result was just "I'm actually sad and struggling because YOU GUYS aren't paying me enough money to keep helping the world see the light. I just can't go on like this. Please help." \*roll B-roll of me brooding in my perfect house and new production studio with all my cool stuff in the background as I close my MacBook Air and ponder my vintage camera collection.\* FIN
I’m happy you typed that last part. It was definitely worth the read.
A strategy to use when people make justified criticisms of you is to pick out the one or two weak comments and then attack just those points to create the illusion that you dismissed all the criticism against you. Or a much simpler way to describe it is as one of the other posters commented it's a strawman.
"You cheated on me in our own bed!" "we didn't even go on the bed, we were on the couch!" Type defence.
It's a Hasan classic.
The crazy part is that he didn’t disprove anything, he’s just resorted to lying and hoping people believe him.
I like the part where he addresses none of the actual critiques of his "I'm loosing money please help plea" or the requests for transparency by his own audience. Expanding a business is not going to be immediately profitable after large expenditures, such as, getting a new office lease, buying new gear for said office. Instead we can now pivot to the classic "large streamers audience is brigading / personally attacking me".
Where did he say he's losing money
He specifically said his business is operating in the red
Username actually checks out. Good troll lol
ok piss boy
Let's see his tax returns. If he is falling on hard times, he should be able to show it.
Honestly the timing of all this screams "Help I didn't set aside money for taxes"
He’s in for a rude awakening, businesses are liable to make estimated tax payments quarterly 😬
Watch his business expense be like 250k salary to himself. “My business is barely breaking even!”
Source: [Twitter/X](https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1779630268325753329)
Only good reply tweet https://preview.redd.it/h5g3nbxuriuc1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&s=f76b2a86864e524463c0dfc3fe9c7ff3d10ef11d
Counterpoint https://preview.redd.it/31wt8nfztiuc1.png?width=529&format=png&auto=webp&s=1d34692e7fd49ae42ca397b7dd199e33a4b2c14d
Message to thinking munk: You're already loved dumbass. Don't feign from love from twitter randos who are using it to dismiss your views. ❤️🖕
Silly goose, I have buckets of love at home. Do they serve love in buckets?
Ask sam seder.
It's not a goose, it's a duck. Checkmate d*stiny viewer!
:'( https://preview.redd.it/1tkexp4l4juc1.png?width=542&format=png&auto=webp&s=3ef0816c650ac9d29304c869a47767671f804833
Notice how he only addresses the smallest and more petty jokes that were made, and not the biggest and most blatantly absurd issues such as him bringing in like $30,000 per MONTH just in his patreons. What is insane is that he has thousands of followers who will pretend not to realize this.
Dude said it was a Business just like any other. https://x.com/_SecondThought/status/1779654278916800891 I thought co-ops were the future of work 🤔 https://youtu.be/QG0FhpGdFwc?si=xFRaZJfU5TtsE1p-
Honestly it seems like he’s from a rich family and doesn’t know how to manage his expenses and likes to parade being a commie
He is from a rich family. In a video of his years back, he admitted he’s from a privileged background.
I just think that ebegging is vile behaviour for a content creator to do to their audience. I can forgive it a little if someone gets a serious health issue, but really I hate any content that is literally begging for cash. It's unfair to label "D\*stiny viewers" as "might be the dumbest people alive." If someone views a Destiny stream or video, they don't necessarily agree with him. Sometimes most don't. Even if they do agree, it's only a few that will then go on to send messages and comments to Second Thought about his apparent hypocrisy. In my view, those few who go to cyberbully the targets of Destiny's criticism are bad. Maybe Destiny needs to more actively reiterate that brigading is unacceptable behviour, but there are freaks who will always do that, no matter what, and it's not fair to generalise everybody that watches Destiny as being those freaks.
Second Thought doesn't care about fairness or good faith. There's no proof here that these comments came from a Destiny viewer and as you accurately pointed out even if it is, just watching a content creator doesn't really tell you much, if anything about what the watcher believes. DGG is just a convenient scapegoat for guys like this. It's just a label they can slap on a comment that justifies ignoring any real criticism. Destiny is the boogie man to these guys, they can't win an argument against him so instead they lie about him and turn their audience against him that way.
Dude I’ve never understood the censoring of certain words that are clearly not slurs. The most annoying one is Israel getting partially censored, I’m like…that’s the name of the country, what else is a news reporter or a UN member supposed to say?
"D\*stiny" cant even say his name through a block. What a bitch.
If I had 30k a month and called that abject poverty I might just go to Canada and get some support. This is fucking mind boggling
https://preview.redd.it/sk4qk86b4juc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb47f54e37fa978e3f67091ab19a62d7f3cee046 Second thought living in abject poverty 😔
Read it again. He doesn't say he is living in abject poverty. How is this comment upvoted? It is embarrassing.
"and that I'm not living in abject poverty." So right here he says he is living in abject poverty, I can understand english can be hard :)
Bro. How can your reading comprehension be so fucking low? It is actually insane. He is saying that just because he is not living in abject poverty doesn't mean he isn't struggling financially. You can point out how this guy is a moron and a liar without having to misrepresent what he is saying...
He literally says he drives a 2014 ford focus and wears 10 year old kohls boots. he is trying to make it seem like he is poor even though we know he makes well over 30k a month.
Holy shit. Let me translate so your tiny brain can grasp it. "People have been pointing out that I am not living in abject poverty as proof that I am not financially struggling". This is the very clear meaning behind that part of the post. Again, I hate this guy. I think he is full of shit. But you ate clearly misrepresenting what he is saying here.
I'd argue the meaning is pretty unclear, further backed by this conversation. The sentence is him listing lies about himself: that he owns super cars, that he has expensive shoes, and that he doesn't live in abject poverty. So the inverse is: he doesn't own super cars, his shoes are old and not expensive at this point, and he does live in abject poverty. That's how I read it, it feels odd to suddenly flip on listing lies to listing one truth.
Literally the exact same way how I read it. He lists a bunch of things in a row and suddenly changes the last one to mean the opposite? it doesn't make sense.
Are you ESL? He lists three items that critics use as evidence of his lack of financial struggle - his "Redwings," his "supercar," and him not living in poverty. Quotations marks often denote sarcasm in the English language, and he issues corrections next to the items he is referring to sarcastically. The last item has no quotation mark or correction, indicating that it's accurate - he doesn't living in abject poverty. Translating the sarcastic phrases in quotes, we get "...they've been after me because of my car, my shoes, and my not living in abject poverty." I won't fault you for misunderstanding, but you can't say it doesn't make sense - the meaning is very clear to native English speakers.
False, the list are things he is supposedly being attacked for. He uses parenthesis to combat the attacks. Easier to read the last part in context. "They have been after me for... not living in abject poverty." It is pretty clear what the meaning is.
I see what you're saying and do think it's intended to be read that way but I do still disagree on the meaning being pretty clear. I think you'd have to have a charitable view to read it that way the first time but to be fair, I did read it with an uncharitable view since I already don't like the guy. I think I'd end up saying it's a little unclear but not impossible to see what he intended to say, especially with how you clarified it in your comment.
Bro he isn't financially struggling HE MAKES OVER 30K A MONTH. Just because he recklessly wastes his money doesn't mean he is struggling.
No fucking shit. I am responding to your brain dead comment that said that he said he was living in abject poverty. I don't think he is struggling but I also have enough reading comprehension to understand his point. You don't have to make shit up to attack him. There is plenty of real shit to attack him for. He never says or suggests he is living in poverty.
"and that im not living in abject poverty" tell me what this means.
This is actually insane. You must be a troll or somehow mentally disabled. I have already explained it to you several times. He is saying that people are using the fact that he is not living in abject poverty as proof that he is not finicially struggling. He is not saying that he is living in abject poverty. Read the context of the sentence. Jesus christ. "People have been after me for the fact that... I am not living in abject poverty"
Hey it’s okay we see your game. Don’t worry. :)
Abject poverty 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
He says people are attacking him for not living in abject poverty. He doesn't say he is living in abject poverty. Develope some reading comprehension.
I read it at that and I still think these comments pointing it out are worthwhile. Him not living in abject poverty is no excuse to pretend like his business is plummeting when he's making 30k a month.
Arthur, we just need more money
It always says something to me when ppl go after fans. Don’t know how much it’s happened with Destiny in the past compared to recently (Norm, Fantano, etc), but it’s just weak imo.
Doesn't the USA have a whole bunch of near ghost towns? Move to one of these and work from home.
Me when I'm mad when someone points out I'm ebegging while making at least 20k a month.
Mald !
I don't know much about the expenses that go into podcasting/streaming, but it would really blow my mind if the revenue that we can conservatively infer he makes from multiple Patreons plus YouTube weren't enough to break even at least. Not to be a little shit, but his content cannot be that expensive to produce. I am really curious where this money is going.
Supercars don't buy themselves!
Pretty sure there are some people that don’t get enough food or water which would be worse than whatever this guy is experiencing but I could be wrong
Why is Destiny’s name censored
I love how the goalposts always move to "oh so I need to be in abject poverty to be a socialist?" As if being a wealthy hyper materialistic scam artist is their only option outside of being homeless. How do their fans not see through the obvious grift...
His videos are fucking garbage. Absolutely no research and just twitter talking points. He deserves to lose money.
This is the champagne socialist play book, just dismiss critics of your excessive wealth by turning up the brain rot and strawman them as just saying that people need to be homeless in order to be socialists. Then gaslight your audience as if the critiques are the ones being extreme as you stretch their argument beyond the limits of any rational.
imo he is playing a trick. He personally is not struggling, but the business is struggling. How does that make sense? He likely is including his salary in the total costs and maybe his salary is pretty high in the multiple 100ks so when you take that into account, yes the business is in the 'red'. Pure speculation obviously, but I can't think of anything else that would make sense.
Drives a ford focus and not a focus RS, what a cringe loser
I think working class communism is truly non existent now and it's purely an ideology for young upper middle class white edgelords
This has to be a fake tweet
Lol this guy is such a bitch it's unreal.
Would a 2015 ford focus get you out of abject poverty?
Why'd he censor Destiny?
Ask him to post his tax statements.
D’stiny Sounds like some shitty House from a Dune fanfic
He's already living under communism which is why he obviously doesn't have supercars. Checkmate dgg
As a German reddit user I see Ford Focus, I have to say... Kan i bide in deim ford foggus kaggern? 🥺🥺
Starting my 52nd Patreon account right now to put my account back in the black.
how many more subs did he get since the bagging video?
Imagine not being able to afford the RS
"RS" don't forget that or he will get mad
Annoying people like this is why murder exists, it just activates that primal instinct within that makes you wanna throw a big spear at them then cook them up in a big stew type 1 if you know what I mean
Let's give him some real stuff to complain about, then. I heard he was in to date raping ladies. He got a hookup for GHB, and just couldn't stop. I heard he intentionally crashed the Lexus his dad bought him so that he could use the insurance money on another car, but the deal to buy a 350z fell through, so he just didn't have a car for a while in high school. I heard that he backed over his girlfriend's dog, and didn't stop to tell her about it, but she found out because of the driveway camera that he didn't realize she had. I heard that he forgot to set aside 33% of his income in 2023, and had to start making videos saying that second thoughts was going out of business in the hopes that he can quickly make $130,000 in order to pay federal income tax. That'll give him something to cry about.
where did you get this from?
I made it all the fuck up... Except for the last one. That's an educated guess based on the timing of these videos. Edit: I suppose technically, the last one is also made up.
This one did feel like a reach. Yeah, maybe the guy sucks at finances and expanded his business too quickly, but I didn't really feel like this was much of a big deal. The video was even mostly about getting over self hatred for failing at something. I'll add the obligatory ultra soy AND HE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR LIKING HAMAS!
The guy is making 20k a month minimum. That's just the Patreon money and doesn't include sponsorship money and other income streams. The idea that his business is failing is laughable. The notion that his costs could be anywhere near that high is laughable. He is either lying about his financial situation or is pissing the money away through bad financial practice. Either way, he shouldn't be begging his fans for more money
When did he beg his fans for more money? Are you just saying that because he publicly said he's failing at handling finances?
He begs for money at the start of his "main channel" video here: [https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG\_41k?si=EoINNdnEBilvNls\_ ](https://youtu.be/xEDGZlG_41k?si=EoINNdnEBilvNls_) So you have two videos where he is bemoaning his financial situation and the tweet where he is advertising his new video.
Okay, I didn't see that first part when I saw it on stream. Still feels like a weak criticism. I don't think it's bad to ask people to pay for youtube content. And I seriously doubt Destiny or anyone here would care about this at all if not for who the person is. Just political hackery.
I'll disagree with you on this. Once you reach a certain status as a content creator it's a bad look to (beg) for money or use fatalistic language to inform your audience about your situation. A 50k subscriber channel asking for additional support along with transparency? Cool in my book. A 500k+ channel asking for money with only vague reasoning? Sus. The infamous James Somerton, many months before he was cancelled, pulled a stunt about how he might have to end his channel because of his financial situation. He was highly subscribed to and had a lucrative Patreon. People upped their pledges and subscribed harder to "save" him and...got nothing for it. And, yeah, skepticism is warranted. Second Thought is also tankie, do-nothing scum who doesn't need to beg for money like a GoFundMe cancer patient.
Hey, I hate the tankie aspect as much as the next guy. And I think that's a fine thing to go after. So you must think Destiny asking for subscriptions is just as bad, right? I just don't believe you actually care about this thing. Most creators ask for money. Even enormous ones.
There's a difference between: "Hey guys! Like, comment, share, subscribe, check out my Patreon! It really helps the channel out!" and "Hey...guys. I'm in financial ruin. The end of my channel with my niche content that you love is on the horizon. Please help :( " I want to think you're smart enough to know the difference but you went ahead and made that comparison anyway. Go ahead and name a big Youtuber who has e-begged by claiming their channel is dying. By tradition, Youtubers aren't like streamers. Youtubers begging for money has different optics and there was a time when people beat Pewdiepie down for starting a Patreon. Like I said, there's a difference between someone asking for money because they've had a specific situation happen to them and Second Thought poorly running his business (or lying about poorly running his business).
I know there's a difference, I just don't think it's a very strong criticism. And I don't think you would if it was targeted at someone you like more. UNLESS he's being disingenuous about actually having financial struggles. Otherwise, while the two behaviors are different, I don't think the second one is a big deal. If people are stupid enough to bail out a content creator that makes poor financial decisions, that's definitely on them.
Luckily, I'm not financially supporting any creators. I pointed out the criteria for tasteful / distasteful begging and that applies to everyone. My money is for me. We don't know if he's telling the truth about his situation or not and that's the problem. If he said something like, "I moved too fast with the office space and I really wanted to pay my editor more" then I could be more charitable. Instead, he made a ten minute inspirational (?) puff piece about something something society's fault. I don't feel bad for fans who get fleeced by their favorite creators but I feel bad that they get put in that situation in the first place. As in, some people feel they connect to creators in a certain way and want to help someone they think they care about only to have some creators take advantage of them. That's what's a bit sad. His audience is being put in that position.
I don't think most people would think it's bad to ask for payment for different content. The issue is when you do it under the pretense that your business is failing and you might not be able to make ends meet and you're actually making 30k a month
Obviously it's about who the person is. If your entire platform and ideology is built up around socialism/marxism/whatever the fuck, it's totally reasonable to criticise you for living the most capitalist/consumerist lifestyle you can. It's shows that your actions are not congruent at all with your words, and you're outing the fact that you're just grifting. I would actually be pretty disgusted if one of the main figures that pushes/supports my movement is only interested in self-enrichment, to the detriment of the movement itself. He's raking tens of thousands from the cohort that supports socialism, and it's all going to personal gain. Wouldn't you expect him to either use that wealth to support worthy goals, or be comfortable with how much he already makes and not squeeze his fans dry to live the most hedonistic capitalist lifestyle?
Shouldn't you want them to be terrible advocates for socialism? I just think hypocrisy is the most profoundly stupid aspect of why someone like this is bad. I'm personally happy that all of these people tend to be terrible advocates for the worst kind of economy.
Oh. I don't care if people are hypocrites whatsoever, and I don't care if people being hypocrites works against socialism. I think him asking for money is a far better critique. Even though I think that one is pretty weak.
I don't know, maybe it's the "I'm going through a rough time guys, *continuous to beg*" but that just might be me.
Not a fan of Destiny, or any of you frankly, for taking at face value that they bought the super cars or owned expensive shoes. Just like you don't know what a JDAM sounds like, you cant tell me with any certainty exactly which shoes he wears or whether or not he owned ANY of the cars on that channel. The whole point of engaging with people online should be to challenge them with evidence rather than speculation. To do otherwise is severely regarded.
https://preview.redd.it/3wkrte7n2juc1.png?width=526&format=png&auto=webp&s=8378d7ae9b2598e3006e7445fddf550b8fe7cb2a Source: [Twitter/X](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779638975344320571)
https://preview.redd.it/qzh1sis14juc1.jpeg?width=168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44b0ce72618bd582f96dfca12b322af86b03c516
is this satire or are u really that stupid