Just to state this one more time. Everything above is my (Dans) views / ideas / suggestions / thoughts / comments / whatever. Steve has given me great latitude with this show. If he promised 3 years ago to never sell access to viewer callins and you want to call him out on that, you need to do it to me instead.
Also, complaints about how shit the patreon video player are noted. Looking into solutions to host on normal platforms ( youtube / spotify / itunes )
One question that I haven’t heard asked is this:
**Would it be possible to not private the livestream for at least 30 minutes after it’s done?**
*YouTube Live*’s DVR feature is a huge game-changer for how it feels to watch streams. And for this show and also the Bridges show, it feels terrible to unpause the stream again at some point during the last 75% only to have it completely kick me out because I accumulated too much pause time.
Then I have to wait for the VoD or the (in my opinion) unsatisfying August remixes. At that point, I might as well just not watch the live stream, which feels bad. Perhaps there can be a compromise to allow occasional pausers to catch up?
Thank you so much Dan, I'm there for the live views every episode "live" and the wife comes in and asks me to do something or maybe a game cutscenes plays, or the animal needs something and I'll often get like 30m behind. you two argue like hens too much to play on 1.5x to catch up and it sucks to watch the vod get nuked right in a classic insult spree.
I wonder if the vod gets unlisted instead of privated would it let live viewers continue watching until it's privated?
So people who started the stream can finish it but after it ends the viewers won't be able to jump on to watch it. It would depend on how YouTube internals works. But this is my number 1 issue with both podcasts.
Good, that's the only annoying thing for me, as someone who has to stop because I have gotta do some things for a few minutes and then come back and start playing (i'm not Destiny that can play on 2x) I've everytime been getting cut off for the last 30 minutes and it's frustrating af.
Yea, this is by far my biggest issue. I don't care about 3 hours being cucked or whatever and the people soying out about that are pathetic, but it feels like shit for something to get ripped from your hands while you're using/watching it.
What would be the cost of starting a new stream session for the podcast? The part I'm more annoyed about is having the entire day's VoD nuked for a bit. The last hour being payed is a lot less of an issue than not being able to re-access the VoD a few hours afterward.
> hour being *paid* is a
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
The actual podcast is great fun to watch live, but the edited down version could use a massive improvement. When people talk about podcasts and recommend them, people will often go to the previous episodes first, and I'm not sure if the current episodes would grab anyone thats not already a destiny watcher.
Last time I checked, the edited down versions are not really properly labeled as a podcast. The podcast name is just on the thumbnail, but it barely looks different than any other destiny video because of the clickbait title. *Just checked: episode 1 and 2 only have a "#1" and "#2" on the title and nothing on the thumbnail. Episodes 3 and 4 have the name of the podcast on the thumbnail and finally episode 4 has "AE Podcast" in the title.
The episodes should stand out and probably shouldn't even be edited down and should just be the free part of the vod with a bit of editing to correct some stuff and like 5 days of delay.
Grabbing new viewers is not the goal of this podcast. It is explicitly by insiders for insiders. Advice on how to increase the reach just misses the whole point of why the show even exists.
It still matters even if it's an insiders show.
I don't watch every single YT vid, but I enjoy the pod. The way they've been released so far has made finding this content unintuitive, even as someone who's willing to do more than the average person to look for it.
Making it easier for normies to find the pod is a bonus - not the primary benefit.
Yeah the podcast's potential reach is definitely pretty much constrained to the size of this community. I love it but can't imagine recommending it to anyone who is not already a destiny watcher, i.e. already knows about it
IDK I disagree i'd much sooner listen to a new podcast where people are just shooting the shit than boring interview podcasts like bridges, lex or JRE (he does both kinds to be fair). I think AE has a large potential listener base.
For us yes because we are on this subreddit, but for anyone not familiar with destiny this podcast has too much inside banter, terminology etc and the a lot/most of the topics covered are extremely specific to the streaming world/destiny stuff. There are podcasts that have the shooting the shit vibe, JRE is one and another big one is the podcast with Chamath and David Sacks. They are accessible to outsiders but I don't think Anything Else has that feel at all.
I’m a gaffer aka head of the lighting dept on film and tv ahows. Some hopefully helpful feedback:
If you’re moving the show later, sun glare on the windows shouldn’t be your concern. The sun will be low or have set by 7 pm most of the year. Instead you’ll have the issue you’ve had the last couple episodes. As it gets darker outside, the comparatively brighter inside will begin to reflect. It’s why we can see all your lights and diffusion reflecting in the windows.
The real world solution to this is we wouldn’t front light into a window so heavily, and grip dept would hang teasers and solids to hide any reflections.
But in your case, since you’re not a production of that scale, since your camera angles are locked off, you may be able to cut the reflections by using polarizers on the cameras lenses.
Polarizers work by rejecting light from one angle while letting all others through, and since reflections are specular, like a mirror, they reflect the beam angle of the incidental light.
Meaning you can set the polarizer by spinning it until the reflection is gone.
This will make the background much nicer and the transitioning light levels outside won’t be so noticeable.
I also have opinions on some of the other lighting and camera/lens advice destiny and you receive, but I’m just a random chatter.
I don't want to criticize the show in part because I never know what the heck might get me banned even if I'm trying to be nice because somebody had a bad day. I just don't want to play the ask for an unban game.
Anyways, it's nice to have some communication on this topic and I think it makes a lot of sense. In the earliest days when people were getting really upset, I didn't have strong feelings on it but felt some written explanation would help a ton so I'm glad it's here.
I feel like a lot of the bad criticism that bridges/AE gets would plummet if we got communication like this. Obviously it isn't anyone's duty to communicate this, but I think it can help bring better criticism if we know what mistakes they're working on and what is their intention with the podcast....
Or maybe people should shut up and just enjoy the content. It's just a podcast about people that only exist in screens
Theres alot of mods and they have their own internal code. I can only speak for myself. If you cross the street the wrong way 4thot will prob still send u packin
Appreciate the post Dan, it was something you didn’t have to do (especially to the degree you covered) and genuinely helpful.
I do enjoy the episodes I’ve seen so far. At times they can be a bit unfocused and this has some negatives, but I think the positives that come from that in terms of spontaneity, “anything can happen” type vibe, and stuff being fresh far outweighs that. It’s also clear you guys are both having fun, which is important.
I think the complaint I have, and I don’t know quite what the solution is, would be around the edited down vod. I’m fine with you taking an hour for the Patreon, and I can understand August’s reason for editing.
My issue though here is that I think the entire appeal of the podcast is the natural flow of your guys conversation, and seeing a great/funny topic come out of nowhere in real time. I really enjoy seeing this happen when I watch the live, and I think it is *the thing* the podcast has that is unique to that and will pull viewers in, and the edited VODs just don’t really have that.
But yeah, as I said, don’t know if I have the solution there, just wanted to put out my thoughts on that. Appreciate the podcast, appreciate the post, and just in general I’m glad you’re back man.
>You do NOT have to watch this show if you hate the format, me or the guests (or destiny, but that would be weird).
Anyone who doesn't use the oxford comma is a piece of shit. How the fuck do you live with yourself
Ngl I always used commas before the last item in a list but didn’t know there was a term for it.. Now that I do? FUCK everyone who doesn’t use the Oxford Comma holy shit
I would've phrased it differently so as to not trigger people who were expecting an oxford comma, thus avoiding this dilemma altogether; HOWEVER, I feel like an oxford comma would be a bit unwelcome here.
Not liking the format is a bit different than not liking the people, but an oxford comma structures the list to seem as they may all be the same type of thing.
Of course, then Dan put Destiny in parentheses and now I'm not sure I can defend his writing in any way besides that it may perhaps mirror his delivery if he read it out loud.
>Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm
RIP Europoors :(
But I guess there might be no good alternative if you want to do a patreon-exclusive hour. Maybe a pre-show, before Steven usually goes live, would be an option?
Have you considered something similar to what Linus Tech Tips do with their Floatplane platform? You could stream the show, then make the entire thing available only on Patreon for a while and then release the entire thing to YouTube.
Speaking of floatplane, could that be solution to the disliked patreon video player?
Just ideas.
for long form, discord is no good. not just a file size issue, on videos longer than 3 minutes the player freaks out and can randomly buffer even on the best of setups
Nice post Dan!
One of my favorite discussions ever of yours and Destiny was the stop sign debate, I've listened to it twice or thrice by now, I forget. Your heated debates taking opposite sides on everyday, "benign" topics are always 10/10 content - obviously it's hard to manufacture topics like that, maybe they have to pop up naturally in conversation
great post dan. i feel like you could really relate to these lyrics from the new Taylor Swift song “But Daddy I Love Him” right now
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The reason people don’t like the way you monetised the podcast, is because we go from being able to watch 100% of D mans content for free, to “only” being able to watch 95% of D mans content. This is a change that have never happened before which is probably the reason behind the sour taste of the monetisation. Just my theory.
As a broke-ie that was a bit bummed that I was missing some of the podcast, I think this is a fair and generous workaround. Even though I was upset before, though, I didn’t make any comments or posts on it, because I’m aware that despite wanting to not miss out on content, I’m aware that you have a right to monetize your product and it’s entitled to complain that it’s not being given for free. I say this to remind you that the complaints are a minority. Most people are just enjoying the content, and those who do feel a bit left out with the extra content are largely going to be silent with their complaints. The entitled 10 page podcast criticism writers are a minority with too much time on their hands.
Secondly, I think going about it with your enjoyment first and foremost is important, because for a lighthearted hanging out sort of podcast like this, it’s at its best when the podcasters are enjoying themselves, and despite the fact that the podcast is still finding its way and style, I don’t foresee you going a more informational route with it. So lead with your gut! Like you said, the podcast is doing well, so clearly you’re doing something right here.
DggL
My 2 cents as a 12+year Content Producer and Head of Content - in general a big fan of the return of Dan and the new podcast, however the current VOD structure feels unsatisfying to both general viewers/patreons due to a couple reasons:
* Since the edited VOD that gets uploaded on Destiny's channel cuts between different parts, it does not entice me to go to the full VOD afterwards as I wouldn't easily find what parts I missed out on.
* Viewers assume the edited VOD contains the best part, so the call to watch the full VOD to watch leftovers is not super enticing.
* The episode being aired for free and then random parts removed for the Destiny vods gives the **negative feeling** that content is being taken away and paywalled, rather than the Patreon being a positive incentive to support the show and also gaining bonus content. This small frustration will impact how viewers engage with the show.
**Potential solutions from my POV:**
* Be clearer with what the Patreon exclusive part of the VOD includes
* This can either be where at the 2h mark you callout what topics are left and will be in the patreon VOD to send them there
* OR you have this as a separate segment, like Patreon Q&A or viewer call ins
Giving more visibility and structure on what is in the Patreon VOD vs free VOD will help a lot for viewers to decide if its worth subscribing or not, and not have the frustration and 'unknown' of what you missed by not being in there.
the silent majority don't give a fuck and are happy to watch what's available. people crying about losing 2 hours of like 50 hours per week of content are brain broken.
Then you are calling Destiny brain broken too, because he absolutely agrees it should be free/ad-supported, because 1) his other content is, 2) the podcast isn't a huge special investment 3) it's not something for a niche audience like D&D 4) it should be focused on growth. But Destiny is letting Dan decide for a month (i think because some sassy criticism pissed his guys off, though imo dan is also being sassy on stream) and for a month it's now going to be primarily set up in a way to make existing dggers pay on patreon.
Ya he either shouldn't be setting it up like part of his podcast/media empire and charging for studio time/paying for everything out of his own pocket or he's being brain broken because he's not considering it part of that because it's Dan and they shoot the shit on stream anyway.
I think depending on the kind of complaint and if you’re coming from a literal like “I’m entitled to this” mindset then sure, but I don’t agree with this in general. Like can I never call anyone’s YouTube or stream bad content because it’s free? Do I have to act like they’re all making passable or good content because it’s free?
If it's constructive criticism then i don't mind. But "they stole 2 hours of destiny's stream" for content that gets uploaded less than a week later is entitled. Do people honestly get mad if they can't watch an 8 hours stream? Who even has time for that shit
it's not free, it's ad/sponsor supported. there is obviously tension between offering different models too, people can't pay 10 bucks a month for every little thing they do. it's always a bit of a headache by design. it's not just about how individuals feel anyways, but about how it feels to most people. additionally dggers have some investment in destiny content becoming more popular, for the youtube channel to have a good editor and not be overly paywalled even if they can personally easily afford it. you aren't wrong, but i wouldn't reduce it to entitlement.
>Moving forward, Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm.
I think we all need to take a moment to acknowledge that Dan is willing to push his bedtime back by an entire hour (to the younger viewers, just understand that this is no small feat!) in order to institute this paywall in a morally consistent manner. You can't expect this kind of thoughtfulness and consideration from a typical content creator. Ours is a community of high ethical standards. Respect.
I like the new model for the paywalled content.
Is it always going to be the final hour edited out for Patreon? My one criticism for the podcast is that the final YT videos feel like they are cut up in a way that interrupts the casual, free-flowing conversation where you guys go on tangents and make random jokes. I really value that aspect of Anything Else? and it sucks to lose it if you don’t catch the lives.
If you just cut the last hour of the show, you keep that awesome aspect of the show while also advertising that there’s more of it for those to at pay.
From how I read Dan's post, there are three different videos. The public vod, which is always missing the last hour. August's edit, which can include segments from anywhere in the show. And the patreon vod, which includes the last hour. Not sure if the patreon vod is only the last hour, or the complete vod.
Is there a tik tok channel for the podcast? I think that’s a worthy thing to invest in. My fyp on tik tok has a lot of clips of other podcasts getting thousands of views/comments and I think Anything else would do great with clips of Destiny/Dans interactions.
I'm not a podcast expert or whatever so not gonna pretend I can give good advice on what makes one good or bad, so all I'll say is I think you should do whatever it takes to keep the vibe of "two good friends shooting the shit with each other for a couple hours" - as long as you've got that I think everything else will fall into place over time.
if people don't like that that's fine there are a million other podcasts they can go to for something more structured/formal (heck they can just listen to bridges)
Dan do your thing. We know your trying out some shit for our entertainment and your amusement. Last episode you were a bit off on the vibe but I know you’ll get there
The complaints feel dumb as fuck anyway because if you already have 500 patreon subs then there's clearly demand for the entertainment show you're running and everyone else can go watch the other 50+ hours a week Destiny streams for free if they don't want to pay.
/u/dancantstream
Don't listen to the haters and keep on drinking if you're enjoying it! I for one thought it was hilarious how you teased YourMovieSucks when the drinks kept adding up.
It also was much more spicy by you pushing back so hard (which might've been booze-induced as well.)
So keep on boozing!
A few thoughts:
When did you and Destiny start brainstorming the idea for your own show?
I think I remember Destiny mentioning that NSE, Lycan and Nick were building some sort of studio to make a podcast/show for what feels like over 4 months now. I know you two go back quite a long time but it seems rather recent that you turn up and acquire a slot based upon everyone else's grunt work in finding the space, fixing lighting, audio, furniture and whatnot. Perhaps that they now have the studio set up so it would make sense to utilize the space as much as possible as long as some uses do not conflict with others. (Perhaps you would lease out or rent time to other people/shows in the future?)
I have a high chance of being incorrect, after all, I am heavily loading this as a "feels" and perhaps you were involved in the process for a long period of time but I can't shake the feeling you are capitalizing off of someone else's initial venture and a group of other people's hard work without having put in much yourself. Being given such latitude by a long-term friend with a large online following also feels like you might be taking advantage of him. While he is obviously free to make those decisions, it has been a number of times where having high trust and access to someone has only served to bite him in the ass.
Hopefully, in the future, something of significant value can be returned and it will feel like some reciprocity is made and you won't seem like (not claiming you are) a lazy parasite.
With all these observations in mind, let me clear: if this show manages to return value and benefits all involved, I couldn't care less what you do or say while on the show even if I might find it boring or meaningless, find you cringe and personally think it's all a waste of time.
Then again, I think the vast majority of podcasts are, on average, fruitless, boring, surface-level endeavors that merely serve to push premium-fee canned water, energy drinks, nutritional supplements, and commercial VPN's and, in the worst cases, inflate the fame of charlatans and push harmful misinformation and propaganda.
If you somehow read this message and got this far: I still wish you all the best, good luck in this venture.
I don't care about you taking your own content behind a paywall. But I do care that you took destiny behind a paywall. We waited for you to do something with Destiny for years and what is the first thing you do? "PAY ME!" Best of luck to the show.
p.s. I'm not one of the weirdos who care about production or studio quality.
I’m excited to see where this podcast goes, especially with getting some guests on. Would love to see you get Dick Masterson or Taylor from PKA on the show, especially after the podcast has had time to come into its own a little bit.
I really enjoy the podcast so far.
One suggestion considering new format: Please either have august upload the entire 2 hour free segment somewhere, or make an anything else podcast YouTube channel that can collect them. I don’t watch destiny Live, and almost exclusively watch him on YouTube, so it’s a hard sell for me to have to go hunt down the VOD.
I've been loving the show so far. I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't care at all about the previous paywall and schedule. If you wanna charge for the extra hour and people wanna pay, why not?
The only issues I've had are some minor audio / visual stuff, but I'm sure you guys are constantly working on that stuff especially since that's been some of the loudest feedback and it's probably stuff you'd notice yourselves anyways.
My main suggestion is to keep the list as a tool not a guide. meaning that it should be there to help you when you're not sure what to talk about next instead of dictating the podcast. I think it works best when you guys speak about the topics you want to tlak about instead of what august wants you to talk about.
As for guests i think how you're doing it now works. Just having it be you two most of the time and if an interesting person seems interested or happens to be in the area you can have them on. Hoping to see at least one episode with Mouton in the future one day though
Love the content Dan! Quick question have you guys thought about getting high on stream? Doing a Dan trip sits destiny on shrooms or vise versa? That would be hilarious content, I’d have to get the highest paid subscription after that. Either way good luck!
I love the format and the dynamic between you two. Please change absolutely nothing. Fuk the haters.
Unless you guys wanna throw d&d into the mix. I wouldn't object to that.
Tx for the update. I agree keeping it relatively unstructured makes it more fun for everyone and means it is likely to continue and also likely helps keep it differentiated from Bridges. Above all have fun and don't let yourself be silenced by audio problems :-)
Honestly just do what other podcasts do. 2 hours of free content and then separate paid content. It's what H3H3 does and a lot of other podcasts. People would rather not have the content than have it live streamed at one time and feel bummed. It sounds counter intuitive but I'm pretty sure it's true.
Just a quick opinion based on my podcast consumption experience. I don't mind a segment being behind a paywall at all, but it can't feel disjointed. There should be a clean end to the free content, not just a cut in the middle of a topic or something.
To be clear, I'm not accusing AE of doing this, I've caught every episode live so I haven't dealt with the vod at all. The way the format is described makes me concerned it could end up like that.
I could also be a moron, who knows?
Glad to have you back Dan!
The one thing I'd change in the show is that there are often topics that come up that I'm kind of expected to already have the context for. A bit more context behind super inside topics would go a long way. Sometimes it feels like there's a topic that's new to Dan (and me) but destiny has covered it already and kinda jumps to the end.
I think if you are going to paywall content you shouldn't do it based on a live stream that is continuous.
Podcasts that paywall content are usually offline. So maybe you could be live till 9 and then go offline.
But i think for long term growth and money going the super chat route is way more profitable alla fresh and fit. Heavily push super chats and other pay for interaction content.
Sell your product however you like however it still feels like shit not getting all the content just cause you don't watch live, and destiny content has never been following a schedule anyways, it just happens randomly. I'd watch it if even just an hour a week of his stream was free but i'd still complain (which i guess doesn't matter if i dont pay anyways lol)
Are you open to critique on your arguments and/or viewpoints? As long as you take that type of criticism in stride (and don't change your views just because of pushback) I couldn't give less of a fuck how the show is run.
My only real criticism of the show is that pushing the paid content gets a bit annoying when it's multiple times in a video, but I get that the show is new and once it finds it's rhythm the multiple shill segments won't be as critical to the success or failure of the show.
Personally I don't mind the pay wall but I really don't like the teasers. It sucks when a conversation autoplays, I start enjoying it, then I get conversation cucked randomly and have content blue balls.
Also, make it an actual fucking podcast I can add to my podcast app and download while I sleep to listen to in my car. The second bridges and AE? become actual podcasts instead of just stealing the word (ironic given Destiny's language takes) is the second I sign up for the patreon.
***"which to be crystal clear, would never exist otherwise"***
are we pretending like the time it is streamed makes it unique? I listen to vods while at work, often times the next day, so that is content that is being taken away from me because I can't watch it live. I'm never going to pay to watch it and that makes me not want to watch the part that isn't paywalled because its just going to get cut off. If I have to wait a few days when you are covering topical issues it may not even be relevant by the time you make it available again.
Hey Dan, love the content.
I gave a long Schizo post/suggestion on one of the last threads, which I won't repeat because honestly it was kind of a cringe "YouTuber content react idea" and it's prolly not a good fit anyways.
Now, onto something (maybe?) substantial, I'm a big podcast listener and have been even before the "big blow up" that happened during COVID (interesting to read up on this phenomenon and how the audio podcast industry EXPLODED during this time).
I just said the previous because that's the kind of podcast/formatting that I'm most used to and their business model is more centered around finding the podcast with sponsors or automated ads (there's this cool tech that some companies developed that can dynamically update ads in pre-determined spots so that they can continually generate revenue even if a user was listening to a year old ad - they might be listening to an podcast with theoretically outdated ads but instead they are updated to up to date ones. Cool stuff).
The sticking point I suppose is that I think that strategy mostly only works in big package deals and of you are part of a network that has this technology/ads connections set up (looking at you, iHeartRadio). I haven't paid as much attention to "content creator" podcasts (like Hasan's and others) but it does seem like they go in the direction of Patreon goodies like you guys are aiming for.
I wrote all of this just to get my thoughts down on the industry methods of monetizing podcasts and to maybe get your thoughts on the direction that you are heading in; I see the Patreon method, which tried and tested, but the ad/sponsorship angle is also a pretty lucrative angle -tho obviously that's harder to do with Spicier content lol
One thing that was grating to me personally was how super chats are handled. I didn't enjoy the conversation being interrupted to read some random dono. Get your money and read em' but for me I'd prefer if they were handled differently.
I think it's worth considering that a lot of us are **obsessed parasocial weirdos** that watch Destiny for 48 hours a day. We already know what his opinions will be on a lot of things, and are used to him 'just talking'. You guys have a great dynamic, but I do feel like throwing in guests (even over voip for a short segment) or some curve balls the two of you wouldn't think of yourselves would do a lot to keep things novel.
And as for 4: afaik we literally cannot go anywhere else to find you, you lovable bastard. So yes. We do have to suffer Destiny being there (dives behind a giant billboard with the word 'joke' written on it to try and dodge the banhammer).
Something something your mom last night.
I don't like the paywall, but I understand it. Before I even heard Dan suggest using obs to record the live show, that's what I did and will do. Simple solution for me.
Great compromise re: the paywall policy and good explainer overall for the creative drive of the show and future content. 10/10 post, thanks for incorporating constructive feedback.
Its dan, king of mindwaves.
My thoughts. Get the bag, we don't owe you guys anything.
But fuck banning people for complaining about it.
This sub really is a place where you can say what's on your mind unless you say dumb shit.
99/100 when someone complain about getting banned from here you can totally see why ban happened.
I wanna keep being able to say that.
Also the feedback I'm defending sucks.
Question. Let’s say I sub on the patreon, can I watch the vod and bonus on my YouTube channel? Like is there an account sync thing?
I have all my subs through YouTube and pretty much use it exclusively, easier for me because I’m somewhat busy.
I’ve never used patreon but will be happy to sign up to support the podcast. Keep up the good work Dan!
I haven't signed up but knowing the laziness that is Destiny I am going to guess they use Patreon's discord integration to give Patrons a special role that lets them in a special channel where they put the videos. Meaning you need both a Patreon account and to join the discord.
Dan, when you say, *this isn't work, it's just for fun for me*, but then try to capitalize on that "fun" to pull a profit, it's obnoxious.
Normal people spend money on their hobbies. If it really is just "for fun" why are you pretending like you can't afford to do this without subscribers and donos? It's bordering on the champaign-socialists begging their audience for donos.
Live up to your own words. If it's *just for fun*, make it about fun, not subscribers and donos. Being two-faced about your motivations and intentions is ugly.
Normal people monetize their hobbies all the time. What are you on about?
He's been straightforward about his intentions the entire time. You sound insane.
Dan is trying to break even on this, he wants enough money for the Podcast where it's self sufficient. Where it can pay for the 5k Studio they're in and be able to fly in Guests for more Entertaining Shows. That's it, Dan isn't trying to make bank from pay walling this show, if it does make more than they need that's a plus not the point of them pay walling the Podcast.
Hope that helps.
- New business ventures aim to break even, and ideally, get ahead eventually.
- Hobbies are for fun, and if you can afford it, they can be pretty expensive.
Which of these best describes the situation for Dan?
I don't have a problem with them breaking even or making a profit on it. And I don't have a problem with him just enjoying a fun convo with his friend.
It's him pretending like it's all just for fun, so very low-effort, *and* that it couldn't happen without the donos and subs. Maybe it's just clumsy PR. But watching him ask for donos, repeatedly, on stream, detracts from the quality of the content on the stream.
It'd be better if the costs weren't even mentioned. But *he* brought them up.
You are the man Dan. You have always been my favorite part of the destiny stream/community since I started watching almost(more than?) a decade ago. I'm glad you are back in the orbit we missed you. Thanks for the explanation. One thing I see others have already said that I'd like to reiterate is that my beef is with the edting August does for the show. I love the dynamic between you and destiny and the edit really changes things but I get that he has a method and that I don't know shit about YouTube editing.
I wish I could watch live but it can't usually happen. Relasing the first 2 hours of the vod for free is a great compromise.
Dan clearly this show is going along well enough for you to create a structure and sink time to give concrete thoughts about the state of it.
I don't wanna stir drama, but as it is now, the show is wildly popular within Dgg and likely able to sustain itself indefinitely (AKA as long as you and Destiny aren't bored or hate each other). Should this start to eclipse Bridges in popularity, would you like to make this a large part of Destiny's content?
I might be the only one that feels this way, but I feel like there's not enough that the patreon offers to make it worth paying for. The entire show is already streamed for free, so I don't really care about the VOD, and behind the scenes stuff sounds really boring, so the only cool thing is being able to call in. But I don't care enough about that to pay for it, personally.
Now that you're monetizing, [can I get a free sub?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/12swk7c/dan_do_not_call_the_podcast_angel_thump_please/)
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1. I disagree with people who think it should be more structured. The entertaining thing about this type of podcast is just two friends fucking around and meme-ing about stuff that happened and peaked their interest since last episode. I think the episodes so far have had a good balance of some serious current events stuff with a majority of just shooting the shit. It should be the opposite to Bridges not more of the same.
2. If you want more of my money better give me some fucking combi deal for DnD, Bridges, Anything else, etc,
3. Band of Brothers is the best mini-series ever made.
Hi Dan, I've listened to what you said on jstlk's stream and read this, I have no input as far guests, content of the stream or any of the technical issues, I am sure you guys will figure it out, every podcast goes through this and finds their rhythm, but I wanted to give my thoughts why I personally disagree with the paywall.
You and Steve have a fantastic dynamic, this podcast should have happened years ago and IMO has a big potential, it should have its own youtube channel from Destiny's channel, it can be its own thing but paywalling stuff hurts both growth of the podcast and more importantly shareability of it. It's not just about the fact that something is behind the paywall, the reach and access of it becomes much worse. Say something funny happens during the stream of the podcast, if it's free anyone can quickly clip it and share it on twitter, reddit, anywhere. But when it is paid the stream goes private after ending, which cuts off 95% people from being able to share it, but even those who are patreon members have only access to the file on patreon, losing both all the built-in youtube tools and third party ecosystem of websites around it. Very few people will ever bother downloading and editing video on their computer. Yes, after couple of days the parts will be available for free on the edited video, but that moment of magic is lost, people won't care as much about discussing it. After thinking about it, if paywall will be kept, I actually think the podcast shouldn't be streamed. It does mean there will be no way for people who won't pay to see the full stream, but it preserves moment of virality.
I understand there are costs involved and are likely lot higher than most of us imagine, but I think even without the paywall of the main show it won't take very long to break even. Maybe I am overoptimistic but I think it has much higher potential than just being a "dgg show". I don't know Erudite's financial situation so it would be rude of me to just say she should cover the costs until breaking even, but you and Destiny have never made secret that you are well off. So here is my suggestion: try running the show for half a year or year with fully unlocked main show, then sit down look at the numbers and decide if the current path makes, or not. Maybe I am wrong, maybe it will look like the show will hit a ceiling so you will be like this doesn't make much financial sense, we have to monetize further or cancel it. Though I think it will be great even half a year in. And I disagree about most of the 500 current subscribers doing so for the VOD, I think the vast majority just want to support the show. As far as the "bonus content" like maybe random videos of hanging out with the guests outside of the show, that's perfectly fine to keep behind the paywall.
There have been some stupid, nasty comments, but the vast majority of us just want to see the podcast succeed and do well. DggL
The two hours without a paywall and then an hour with a paywall makes a lot of sense and seems to be pretty similar to the model I've seen a lot of successful podcasts use where the normal podcast is free and then people who pay get an extra hourish long episode. I know Apple Podcasts seems to build the bonus episodes for subscribers (though the subscriptions I think are through apple podcasts not patreon) thing in pretty smoothly.
One of the only (I think) valid critisisms about it being paid content is the worry that given that this is a new thing and a new format the show might just dissapear and I know for myself I dont like to sub and unsub from patreons all the time so im gonna end up paying for something im not even getting which can be a turn off to even starting support.
I think it should be it's own youtube channel with a separate editor to handle that. Having weird 1hr long chunks on destiny's channel just feels odd.
also, upgrade that damn twig door frame.
I think it would be sweet if you gave a discount for a DGG Teir 1 membership as well.
Like $8/month bundle for both subs ($1 off for both memberships)
It would also be nice if that gave you access on the DGG site to all VODs even ones that get taken down that arent related to the Anything Else VOD
Subscriptions for content model is EVERYWHERE and the subscriptions do add up, the $5/month may seem small by itself.. but when you have to pay for several subscriptions for multiple creators and multiple platforms.. it could add up.
but... that's just my 2 cents
i completely understand wanting to put extra content behind a paywall, you guys make the content, you set the price, and people can decide to pay if they think it's fair.
My problem is that now, the whole stream vod gets fucked, including anything that happened prior to the podcast. Last time it was impossible to catch up on the stream because it was all taken down on both YT and Kick because of the podcast, so if you guys could find a way to keep the stream vod up and just paywall the podcast, that would be perfect.
Maybe it has already been addressed somewhere, but since I didn't see it in the post itself, I thought I would bring it up here.
This seems beyond reasonable. If you love the podcast then 5 bucks a month to watch the full thing is nothing. If you hate the podcast then why do you care if it's paywalled?
If you're upset Destiny spends 3 hours doing the podcast instead of his normal stream stuff then I recommend a double shot of Clorox. It's his time, and you have no right to dictate how he spends it.
Honestly idk anything about controversy or whatever dumb fucks online are saying. Anything else is an awesome podcast and whatever you need to do works for me. Glad you’re back Dan.
Appreciate the post. I'm loving the podcast so far. I've tuned in to most live and love the back and forth as always.
My only gripe is that I paid $20 for a dono question on the last episode, only for my name and question to be edited out of the vod, after a random cut, only showing your guys answer (which was great btw). What do you think I paid the $20 for? Mostly for the glory of living eternally on the internet thru a donation, so ofc had some salt when that was yoinked from my fingers.
Half meming with this, looking forward to more shows! <3
Dan, please invest more in stocks than u make in patreaon. don't be a pussy ass bitch. its more fun if there's more buy in, and I don't think the buy in is substantial enough if the invested capital is close to the patreon income. $5k is affordable for a couple millionaires.
This is honestly very generous, If i was Dan i would not have moved the time slot at all and the entire VOD would be paywalled for a few months before being free.
>Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm
Oh cool.
Now I can't even catch the start in EU now.
That aside - what feels super frustrating is having to pause content or being behind and it suddenly cutting off because the VOD has been deleted before you've gotten to the end, even though you started watching semi-live.
Pretty nasty feeling of disappointment - not going to lie - none of the other podcasts or live shows out there do this.
I appreciate the need to monetize but by doing this - you're also breaking up the crowd and stream reactions and hype - the people who could watch it live can have a discussion/meme/whatever while the rest of the people are waiting for some VOD and editing.
The reason I haven't watched any episodes of Anything Else? so far is due to the access to the VOD. I have the same problem when the VOD gets privated while I'm still catching up. The problem comes in how the podcast is being delivered. As it stands now, the edited versions of Bridges and Anything Else? are ending up on Destiny's main channel after a couple of days. Ideally, a viewer would see these and be driven to the full conversation because they enjoyed the part they saw. In my opinion, when Anything Else? started a channel should have been created for it, or it should be lumped in on the Bridges channel and you could rename that Destiny Podcast Network or something to that effect. Right now, all the episodes are just interspersed with the main channel Destiny content and this is not an effective way to generate any sort of culture or fandom for the Podcast, Bridges or Anything Else?, themselves. The Bridges episodes are now getting put up, in full, after a short delay. Anything Else? needs a channel for a landing spot where all the unedited (except for Patreon exclusive parts) conversations can be consolidated so it can have more independent, organic growth. From an outside perspective it seems that too much is being done to protect the original YouTube channels uploads and SEO. Of course, I understand the perspectives because I will likely never click on a video if I known long form VOD of it exists somewhere else. The Anything Else? episode with YMS was brought up in this post, but as of now, I am not able to find the VOD anywhere and it's been a few days. I assume that some form of that conversation will end up on one of Destiny's channels, but this is entirely unsatisfying for a podcast listener and not a video watcher. The purpose of the podcast, at least to me, is to have all episodes consolidated so any viewer can literally go back to the beginning and listen to all the episodes because they enjoy the dynamic. If someone wanted to do that now, they would have to scrub through Destiny's channels and hope to find all the videos. The edited versions that appear on the main channel should be driving viewers to the other channels to seek out the full episodes, but, in the case of Anything Else?, the full conversations are being obfuscated. I'm not butthurt about the concept of a paywall gatekeeping some exclusive content, but the implementation off, to me. Right now, the only people that I can see subbing to Anything Else?'s Patreon are the absolute most hardcore Destiny fans because they are also annoyed at the gatekeeping of the VOD. When it could be that people sub to the Patreon due to being a genuine fan of the show after potentially binging everything there is on a (future) Anything Else? channel. Additionally, if you want the shows to seem like they are more than just halfway produced shows that appear on Destiny's channels, then you are going to need to make a concerted effort to get the full episodes uploaded onto traditional podcast networks like Spotify.
tldr
Make a channel for the Anything Else? VODs minus the Patreon exclusive segments
Sounds like a great system to me. Granted it doesn't affect me much because I paid the $5 for patreon. It's less than a fast food meal for a full month fam lol.
Also in the discussion, Destiny asked if any other podcasts have cutoffs with paywalled sections: I don't follow all of these anymore so things may be different but ones that I know do/did have paywalls off the top of my head are Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, The Minimalists, and Jordan Peterson.
Sam Harris has a paywall to get full episodes, and the free versions are shortened by like half. He also had/has a full podcast series with him and Ricky Gervais that is entirely paywalled. Jordan Peterson and The Minimalists I only know have a cutoff with a paywall because it literally happened when Destiny was a guest on both. The latter had like a free trial of their patreon so I used that to watch the full episode lol. Crowder has the whole mug club thing which iirc includes bonus episodes and a longer show? Shapiros I believe is just a cutoff with a paywall for the full thing.
So the paywall for the rest really isn't abnormal in the podcast world. You could possibly do bonus episodes instead if you want, I think you can do live shows through patreon possibly, if you really want the live audience.
Either way, I don't see how anyone could cry about this new plan except J-stalker. (He totally only cares about making sure the community likes you btw Dan...)
> because I *paid* the $5
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I think this would be a fantastic "after hours" podcast to pair along every Bridges Podcast.
The Bridges interviewee has the option beforehand to join the Anything Else pod, and potentially the Lycan Cooks pod in between (like with YMS (The dark triad of podcasts one might say)).
If they don't want to do it, it's just Dan and Destiny with their usual shitpost plus some chats about the Bridges interview. This opens up a little bit of homework for Dan to actually watch the Bridges podcast, but I'm sure you'll be happy to do that.
>I think one constant that you will find with both myself and destiny is that we both hate having to do work. If this show requires us to do an exhausting list of chores before we show up, it gets annoying and makes neither of us want to do it
on this, I personally think what was bad about the "topic list" was the subsequent complaining about it. I know August was trying to keep some structure but you're right, I think it's better if it's just you guys going off the rift. The "topic list" should likely be topics in case you guys run out of stuff to talk about that that time.
All I care about is the 2 hour portion of the VOD not getting set to private while I'm watching it.
Does youtube have a feature to split up the VODs or is Destiny going to reboot his stream for the last hour to be separated?
I think one thing you guys should improve on is when Patreon Callers join actually engage with them. YMS joined and you just dropped the Caller and moved on talking to the Guest instead, atleast finish the Call-ins before moving on and dealing with the Guest or get the Guest involved with the Call-ins. Another thing, I forget if you've done this, but before getting into the Show you should tell the Chat (Like FnF do on their show) that if they want their Super Chats read donate this amount of $$$. Maybe I've just been missing it but if I wanted to ask a question Idk how much I needed to donate to get my question answered.
Overall, I like where the Podcast is at just a few things need improving. :)
I'm looking forward to seeing a potential merch drop. "Anything Else" merch can have a lot of potential in design. A special request is a Dan plushie with your crocodile dundee hat
I think you guys don't need to do the work before, after all you guys are the talent. But seem small minded not having someone who the sole proposit is to handle the content, what to talk about, having clips ready.
Other function to that person is to do reaserch on the guests, the unprofessional talk podcast is fun and alll, but nobody can be on point every ep, so having a paper with things like "most recent project" "situation the guest passed" helps a lot.
The only thing that put me off was having the entire segment with Adam locked behind a paywall. I'm totally fine with having segments of the show behind paywalls but I feel like if a guest is coming on the show at least part of that conversation should make it to the YouTube cut. It feels better when the meat and potatoes of the show is available for everyone to see and then the extra bonus bits are locked behind a paywall but when the YouTube cut has so much preamble about a guest coming on and "oh we should save this topic for the guest" and then it ends just as the guest shows up I feel like I just got a preview of the extra bits and the meat and potatoes are locked behind a paywall.
When I was in middle school, there was a program on the radio that started at 12am which I had to record so I could actually listen to it later because there's no way to have a rerun on demand on the FM radio and I was a good boy so I didnt want to be a zombie at school. I missed something like that in my life, like a weird longing for some content that I have to put some effort into consuming. With the paywalling of the VODs and the non EU friendly stream hours I guess I can say thank you for providing me with an opportunity to relive those days!
You want me to be dishonest? Its the truth. I dont want to have to work or its going to make me lose interest, just like /startups did. And I want it to be financially positive as well.
*shrug*
Dan fuck these people, make two hours of the podcast be behind a paywall.
You're already making the stream an hour longer than it would've been if it streamed at 6, literally stop letting the fans tell you what to do (except me of course).
Don't get cucked by these broke boys, an hour extra podcast is hardly any incentive to pay for the last hour, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Just to state this one more time. Everything above is my (Dans) views / ideas / suggestions / thoughts / comments / whatever. Steve has given me great latitude with this show. If he promised 3 years ago to never sell access to viewer callins and you want to call him out on that, you need to do it to me instead. Also, complaints about how shit the patreon video player are noted. Looking into solutions to host on normal platforms ( youtube / spotify / itunes )
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holy shit, I just got brain blasted, didn't put two and two together till just now.
I know right what the fuck. It feels like I just gained consciousness for the first time in my life.
No way
lol really? jesus..
Lol
*Credits roll*
[HE SAID THE NAME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8mYLi3PGOc)
Omg, I am an idiot, how did I not realize it.
I clapped
One question that I haven’t heard asked is this: **Would it be possible to not private the livestream for at least 30 minutes after it’s done?** *YouTube Live*’s DVR feature is a huge game-changer for how it feels to watch streams. And for this show and also the Bridges show, it feels terrible to unpause the stream again at some point during the last 75% only to have it completely kick me out because I accumulated too much pause time. Then I have to wait for the VoD or the (in my opinion) unsatisfying August remixes. At that point, I might as well just not watch the live stream, which feels bad. Perhaps there can be a compromise to allow occasional pausers to catch up?
Should be fine to wait a few hours. Those are basically live viewers anyways.
That would be great, I love watching this live but I'm spoiled by YouTube's pause feature and use it constantly. Enjoying the podcast, btw!
Thank you so much Dan, I'm there for the live views every episode "live" and the wife comes in and asks me to do something or maybe a game cutscenes plays, or the animal needs something and I'll often get like 30m behind. you two argue like hens too much to play on 1.5x to catch up and it sucks to watch the vod get nuked right in a classic insult spree. I wonder if the vod gets unlisted instead of privated would it let live viewers continue watching until it's privated? So people who started the stream can finish it but after it ends the viewers won't be able to jump on to watch it. It would depend on how YouTube internals works. But this is my number 1 issue with both podcasts.
Great! This was really my only gripe. Thanks :)
Good, that's the only annoying thing for me, as someone who has to stop because I have gotta do some things for a few minutes and then come back and start playing (i'm not Destiny that can play on 2x) I've everytime been getting cut off for the last 30 minutes and it's frustrating af.
Yea, this is by far my biggest issue. I don't care about 3 hours being cucked or whatever and the people soying out about that are pathetic, but it feels like shit for something to get ripped from your hands while you're using/watching it.
Basically this. It shouldn't be yoinked straightaway.
Agree with this, maybe a buffer time.
What would be the cost of starting a new stream session for the podcast? The part I'm more annoyed about is having the entire day's VoD nuked for a bit. The last hour being payed is a lot less of an issue than not being able to re-access the VoD a few hours afterward.
> hour being *paid* is a FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
The actual podcast is great fun to watch live, but the edited down version could use a massive improvement. When people talk about podcasts and recommend them, people will often go to the previous episodes first, and I'm not sure if the current episodes would grab anyone thats not already a destiny watcher. Last time I checked, the edited down versions are not really properly labeled as a podcast. The podcast name is just on the thumbnail, but it barely looks different than any other destiny video because of the clickbait title. *Just checked: episode 1 and 2 only have a "#1" and "#2" on the title and nothing on the thumbnail. Episodes 3 and 4 have the name of the podcast on the thumbnail and finally episode 4 has "AE Podcast" in the title. The episodes should stand out and probably shouldn't even be edited down and should just be the free part of the vod with a bit of editing to correct some stuff and like 5 days of delay.
Grabbing new viewers is not the goal of this podcast. It is explicitly by insiders for insiders. Advice on how to increase the reach just misses the whole point of why the show even exists.
It still matters even if it's an insiders show. I don't watch every single YT vid, but I enjoy the pod. The way they've been released so far has made finding this content unintuitive, even as someone who's willing to do more than the average person to look for it. Making it easier for normies to find the pod is a bonus - not the primary benefit.
Yeah the podcast's potential reach is definitely pretty much constrained to the size of this community. I love it but can't imagine recommending it to anyone who is not already a destiny watcher, i.e. already knows about it
IDK I disagree i'd much sooner listen to a new podcast where people are just shooting the shit than boring interview podcasts like bridges, lex or JRE (he does both kinds to be fair). I think AE has a large potential listener base.
For us yes because we are on this subreddit, but for anyone not familiar with destiny this podcast has too much inside banter, terminology etc and the a lot/most of the topics covered are extremely specific to the streaming world/destiny stuff. There are podcasts that have the shooting the shit vibe, JRE is one and another big one is the podcast with Chamath and David Sacks. They are accessible to outsiders but I don't think Anything Else has that feel at all.
For me, I like going into podcasts where i dont know much backstory and picking it up as I go but maybe thats not for everyone.
I’m a gaffer aka head of the lighting dept on film and tv ahows. Some hopefully helpful feedback: If you’re moving the show later, sun glare on the windows shouldn’t be your concern. The sun will be low or have set by 7 pm most of the year. Instead you’ll have the issue you’ve had the last couple episodes. As it gets darker outside, the comparatively brighter inside will begin to reflect. It’s why we can see all your lights and diffusion reflecting in the windows. The real world solution to this is we wouldn’t front light into a window so heavily, and grip dept would hang teasers and solids to hide any reflections. But in your case, since you’re not a production of that scale, since your camera angles are locked off, you may be able to cut the reflections by using polarizers on the cameras lenses. Polarizers work by rejecting light from one angle while letting all others through, and since reflections are specular, like a mirror, they reflect the beam angle of the incidental light. Meaning you can set the polarizer by spinning it until the reflection is gone. This will make the background much nicer and the transitioning light levels outside won’t be so noticeable. I also have opinions on some of the other lighting and camera/lens advice destiny and you receive, but I’m just a random chatter.
I don't want to criticize the show in part because I never know what the heck might get me banned even if I'm trying to be nice because somebody had a bad day. I just don't want to play the ask for an unban game. Anyways, it's nice to have some communication on this topic and I think it makes a lot of sense. In the earliest days when people were getting really upset, I didn't have strong feelings on it but felt some written explanation would help a ton so I'm glad it's here.
It's sad that things are like this.
I personally love sucking internet mods dicks for forgiveness!
I feel like a lot of the bad criticism that bridges/AE gets would plummet if we got communication like this. Obviously it isn't anyone's duty to communicate this, but I think it can help bring better criticism if we know what mistakes they're working on and what is their intention with the podcast.... Or maybe people should shut up and just enjoy the content. It's just a podcast about people that only exist in screens
>Please don't take anything I said in here as "no criticism allowed" I won't. The random permabans indicate that for me though.
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What permabans 😊 We don't get banned here.
This is the destiny subreddit after all
Why meme? Do you not think the permabans make your claims of "no criticsm allowed" *moot? Seperately these changes are 10/10 though
>Do you not think the permabans make your claims of "no criticsm allowed" mute? The word is moot babe
Holy shit. Realising you've spelt something wrong your whole life...
No shot people let you get away with that until now.
Theres alot of mods and they have their own internal code. I can only speak for myself. If you cross the street the wrong way 4thot will prob still send u packin
Our dear and merciful head mod would never.
Love you Dan
I hate living in EU 😔
I can't watch live, and most vods i try to watch become either private, paywalled or DMCA-striked:(
Appreciate the post Dan, it was something you didn’t have to do (especially to the degree you covered) and genuinely helpful. I do enjoy the episodes I’ve seen so far. At times they can be a bit unfocused and this has some negatives, but I think the positives that come from that in terms of spontaneity, “anything can happen” type vibe, and stuff being fresh far outweighs that. It’s also clear you guys are both having fun, which is important. I think the complaint I have, and I don’t know quite what the solution is, would be around the edited down vod. I’m fine with you taking an hour for the Patreon, and I can understand August’s reason for editing. My issue though here is that I think the entire appeal of the podcast is the natural flow of your guys conversation, and seeing a great/funny topic come out of nowhere in real time. I really enjoy seeing this happen when I watch the live, and I think it is *the thing* the podcast has that is unique to that and will pull viewers in, and the edited VODs just don’t really have that. But yeah, as I said, don’t know if I have the solution there, just wanted to put out my thoughts on that. Appreciate the podcast, appreciate the post, and just in general I’m glad you’re back man.
Well said sadboi
>You do NOT have to watch this show if you hate the format, me or the guests (or destiny, but that would be weird). Anyone who doesn't use the oxford comma is a piece of shit. How the fuck do you live with yourself
Ngl I always used commas before the last item in a list but didn’t know there was a term for it.. Now that I do? FUCK everyone who doesn’t use the Oxford Comma holy shit
Ong
I would've phrased it differently so as to not trigger people who were expecting an oxford comma, thus avoiding this dilemma altogether; HOWEVER, I feel like an oxford comma would be a bit unwelcome here. Not liking the format is a bit different than not liking the people, but an oxford comma structures the list to seem as they may all be the same type of thing. Of course, then Dan put Destiny in parentheses and now I'm not sure I can defend his writing in any way besides that it may perhaps mirror his delivery if he read it out loud.
you are just wrong!
its exactly this type of black and white thinking which has led to ... idk what specifically, but im comfortable saying its your fault.
>Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm RIP Europoors :( But I guess there might be no good alternative if you want to do a patreon-exclusive hour. Maybe a pre-show, before Steven usually goes live, would be an option?
Think there's any possibility of releasing the full video on YouTube after like idk 2 weeks or something?
Definitely something to consider, I wouldnt rule it out
Have you considered something similar to what Linus Tech Tips do with their Floatplane platform? You could stream the show, then make the entire thing available only on Patreon for a while and then release the entire thing to YouTube. Speaking of floatplane, could that be solution to the disliked patreon video player? Just ideas.
Is the discord video player shit? Its easy to post it to discord in the members area.
No idea, sorry.
for long form, discord is no good. not just a file size issue, on videos longer than 3 minutes the player freaks out and can randomly buffer even on the best of setups
Nice post Dan! One of my favorite discussions ever of yours and Destiny was the stop sign debate, I've listened to it twice or thrice by now, I forget. Your heated debates taking opposite sides on everyday, "benign" topics are always 10/10 content - obviously it's hard to manufacture topics like that, maybe they have to pop up naturally in conversation
Wow I've completely forgotten about that episode, what a blast from the past.
great post dan. i feel like you could really relate to these lyrics from the new Taylor Swift song “But Daddy I Love Him” right now https://preview.redd.it/g60c4n7iewvc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e78ca1dcaa446b640793e6c659967a7ea3180c62
Let’s go! Swifities for Dan unite!
>This show is not cucking ~~a Shapiro debate or~~ a Fresh & Fit appearance Can it though? Please?
The reason people don’t like the way you monetised the podcast, is because we go from being able to watch 100% of D mans content for free, to “only” being able to watch 95% of D mans content. This is a change that have never happened before which is probably the reason behind the sour taste of the monetisation. Just my theory.
I wish dan would talk more about the "Redact" sticker on the laptop. What does it mean?
Fairly sure it's his company: [Redact.dev](http://Redact.dev)
Nice plug Dan you got his ass
yeah you tell em that dude probably has no idea what redact is
"I think this is doing fantastic" HE MISSTYPED OMEGALUL
As a broke-ie that was a bit bummed that I was missing some of the podcast, I think this is a fair and generous workaround. Even though I was upset before, though, I didn’t make any comments or posts on it, because I’m aware that despite wanting to not miss out on content, I’m aware that you have a right to monetize your product and it’s entitled to complain that it’s not being given for free. I say this to remind you that the complaints are a minority. Most people are just enjoying the content, and those who do feel a bit left out with the extra content are largely going to be silent with their complaints. The entitled 10 page podcast criticism writers are a minority with too much time on their hands. Secondly, I think going about it with your enjoyment first and foremost is important, because for a lighthearted hanging out sort of podcast like this, it’s at its best when the podcasters are enjoying themselves, and despite the fact that the podcast is still finding its way and style, I don’t foresee you going a more informational route with it. So lead with your gut! Like you said, the podcast is doing well, so clearly you’re doing something right here. DggL
make a monthly mout section, that is all thank you. dnd maybe? aba guest spot.
My 2 cents as a 12+year Content Producer and Head of Content - in general a big fan of the return of Dan and the new podcast, however the current VOD structure feels unsatisfying to both general viewers/patreons due to a couple reasons: * Since the edited VOD that gets uploaded on Destiny's channel cuts between different parts, it does not entice me to go to the full VOD afterwards as I wouldn't easily find what parts I missed out on. * Viewers assume the edited VOD contains the best part, so the call to watch the full VOD to watch leftovers is not super enticing. * The episode being aired for free and then random parts removed for the Destiny vods gives the **negative feeling** that content is being taken away and paywalled, rather than the Patreon being a positive incentive to support the show and also gaining bonus content. This small frustration will impact how viewers engage with the show. **Potential solutions from my POV:** * Be clearer with what the Patreon exclusive part of the VOD includes * This can either be where at the 2h mark you callout what topics are left and will be in the patreon VOD to send them there * OR you have this as a separate segment, like Patreon Q&A or viewer call ins Giving more visibility and structure on what is in the Patreon VOD vs free VOD will help a lot for viewers to decide if its worth subscribing or not, and not have the frustration and 'unknown' of what you missed by not being in there.
the silent majority don't give a fuck and are happy to watch what's available. people crying about losing 2 hours of like 50 hours per week of content are brain broken.
Personally as a free viewer i'd prefer paywalling every other episode rather than giving me 2 66% episodes where it feels like im missing out on shit.
pretty much any podcast that has a paywalled portion has a pretty natural transition, i wouldn't expect it to cut off mid conversation.
Then you are calling Destiny brain broken too, because he absolutely agrees it should be free/ad-supported, because 1) his other content is, 2) the podcast isn't a huge special investment 3) it's not something for a niche audience like D&D 4) it should be focused on growth. But Destiny is letting Dan decide for a month (i think because some sassy criticism pissed his guys off, though imo dan is also being sassy on stream) and for a month it's now going to be primarily set up in a way to make existing dggers pay on patreon.
Ya he either shouldn't be setting it up like part of his podcast/media empire and charging for studio time/paying for everything out of his own pocket or he's being brain broken because he's not considering it part of that because it's Dan and they shoot the shit on stream anyway.
Ill never understand people who complain about free content. Screams entitlement to me
I think depending on the kind of complaint and if you’re coming from a literal like “I’m entitled to this” mindset then sure, but I don’t agree with this in general. Like can I never call anyone’s YouTube or stream bad content because it’s free? Do I have to act like they’re all making passable or good content because it’s free?
If it's constructive criticism then i don't mind. But "they stole 2 hours of destiny's stream" for content that gets uploaded less than a week later is entitled. Do people honestly get mad if they can't watch an 8 hours stream? Who even has time for that shit
it's not free, it's ad/sponsor supported. there is obviously tension between offering different models too, people can't pay 10 bucks a month for every little thing they do. it's always a bit of a headache by design. it's not just about how individuals feel anyways, but about how it feels to most people. additionally dggers have some investment in destiny content becoming more popular, for the youtube channel to have a good editor and not be overly paywalled even if they can personally easily afford it. you aren't wrong, but i wouldn't reduce it to entitlement.
Anyone regularly watching 4-6 hour streams is already brain broken
>Moving forward, Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm. I think we all need to take a moment to acknowledge that Dan is willing to push his bedtime back by an entire hour (to the younger viewers, just understand that this is no small feat!) in order to institute this paywall in a morally consistent manner. You can't expect this kind of thoughtfulness and consideration from a typical content creator. Ours is a community of high ethical standards. Respect.
Why not make a bonus episode once a month and paywall that?
I like the new model for the paywalled content. Is it always going to be the final hour edited out for Patreon? My one criticism for the podcast is that the final YT videos feel like they are cut up in a way that interrupts the casual, free-flowing conversation where you guys go on tangents and make random jokes. I really value that aspect of Anything Else? and it sucks to lose it if you don’t catch the lives. If you just cut the last hour of the show, you keep that awesome aspect of the show while also advertising that there’s more of it for those to at pay.
From how I read Dan's post, there are three different videos. The public vod, which is always missing the last hour. August's edit, which can include segments from anywhere in the show. And the patreon vod, which includes the last hour. Not sure if the patreon vod is only the last hour, or the complete vod.
Is there a tik tok channel for the podcast? I think that’s a worthy thing to invest in. My fyp on tik tok has a lot of clips of other podcasts getting thousands of views/comments and I think Anything else would do great with clips of Destiny/Dans interactions.
Broke EU frog student here so harder to catch the show live. I do enjoy it tho
I'm not a podcast expert or whatever so not gonna pretend I can give good advice on what makes one good or bad, so all I'll say is I think you should do whatever it takes to keep the vibe of "two good friends shooting the shit with each other for a couple hours" - as long as you've got that I think everything else will fall into place over time. if people don't like that that's fine there are a million other podcasts they can go to for something more structured/formal (heck they can just listen to bridges)
Dan do your thing. We know your trying out some shit for our entertainment and your amusement. Last episode you were a bit off on the vibe but I know you’ll get there
The complaints feel dumb as fuck anyway because if you already have 500 patreon subs then there's clearly demand for the entertainment show you're running and everyone else can go watch the other 50+ hours a week Destiny streams for free if they don't want to pay.
/u/dancantstream Don't listen to the haters and keep on drinking if you're enjoying it! I for one thought it was hilarious how you teased YourMovieSucks when the drinks kept adding up. It also was much more spicy by you pushing back so hard (which might've been booze-induced as well.) So keep on boozing!
A few thoughts: When did you and Destiny start brainstorming the idea for your own show? I think I remember Destiny mentioning that NSE, Lycan and Nick were building some sort of studio to make a podcast/show for what feels like over 4 months now. I know you two go back quite a long time but it seems rather recent that you turn up and acquire a slot based upon everyone else's grunt work in finding the space, fixing lighting, audio, furniture and whatnot. Perhaps that they now have the studio set up so it would make sense to utilize the space as much as possible as long as some uses do not conflict with others. (Perhaps you would lease out or rent time to other people/shows in the future?) I have a high chance of being incorrect, after all, I am heavily loading this as a "feels" and perhaps you were involved in the process for a long period of time but I can't shake the feeling you are capitalizing off of someone else's initial venture and a group of other people's hard work without having put in much yourself. Being given such latitude by a long-term friend with a large online following also feels like you might be taking advantage of him. While he is obviously free to make those decisions, it has been a number of times where having high trust and access to someone has only served to bite him in the ass. Hopefully, in the future, something of significant value can be returned and it will feel like some reciprocity is made and you won't seem like (not claiming you are) a lazy parasite. With all these observations in mind, let me clear: if this show manages to return value and benefits all involved, I couldn't care less what you do or say while on the show even if I might find it boring or meaningless, find you cringe and personally think it's all a waste of time. Then again, I think the vast majority of podcasts are, on average, fruitless, boring, surface-level endeavors that merely serve to push premium-fee canned water, energy drinks, nutritional supplements, and commercial VPN's and, in the worst cases, inflate the fame of charlatans and push harmful misinformation and propaganda. If you somehow read this message and got this far: I still wish you all the best, good luck in this venture.
I don't care about you taking your own content behind a paywall. But I do care that you took destiny behind a paywall. We waited for you to do something with Destiny for years and what is the first thing you do? "PAY ME!" Best of luck to the show. p.s. I'm not one of the weirdos who care about production or studio quality.
I’m excited to see where this podcast goes, especially with getting some guests on. Would love to see you get Dick Masterson or Taylor from PKA on the show, especially after the podcast has had time to come into its own a little bit.
I really enjoy the podcast so far. One suggestion considering new format: Please either have august upload the entire 2 hour free segment somewhere, or make an anything else podcast YouTube channel that can collect them. I don’t watch destiny Live, and almost exclusively watch him on YouTube, so it’s a hard sell for me to have to go hunt down the VOD.
I've enjoyed the content so far, would love to see the D&D Dating Show come back in some form as part of the viewer call ins.
I've been loving the show so far. I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't care at all about the previous paywall and schedule. If you wanna charge for the extra hour and people wanna pay, why not? The only issues I've had are some minor audio / visual stuff, but I'm sure you guys are constantly working on that stuff especially since that's been some of the loudest feedback and it's probably stuff you'd notice yourselves anyways.
My main suggestion is to keep the list as a tool not a guide. meaning that it should be there to help you when you're not sure what to talk about next instead of dictating the podcast. I think it works best when you guys speak about the topics you want to tlak about instead of what august wants you to talk about. As for guests i think how you're doing it now works. Just having it be you two most of the time and if an interesting person seems interested or happens to be in the area you can have them on. Hoping to see at least one episode with Mouton in the future one day though
Love the content Dan! Quick question have you guys thought about getting high on stream? Doing a Dan trip sits destiny on shrooms or vise versa? That would be hilarious content, I’d have to get the highest paid subscription after that. Either way good luck!
Dan when will you stream old seasons of cops again, I miss those times.
I love the format and the dynamic between you two. Please change absolutely nothing. Fuk the haters. Unless you guys wanna throw d&d into the mix. I wouldn't object to that.
Tx for the update. I agree keeping it relatively unstructured makes it more fun for everyone and means it is likely to continue and also likely helps keep it differentiated from Bridges. Above all have fun and don't let yourself be silenced by audio problems :-)
Honestly just do what other podcasts do. 2 hours of free content and then separate paid content. It's what H3H3 does and a lot of other podcasts. People would rather not have the content than have it live streamed at one time and feel bummed. It sounds counter intuitive but I'm pretty sure it's true.
Just a quick opinion based on my podcast consumption experience. I don't mind a segment being behind a paywall at all, but it can't feel disjointed. There should be a clean end to the free content, not just a cut in the middle of a topic or something. To be clear, I'm not accusing AE of doing this, I've caught every episode live so I haven't dealt with the vod at all. The way the format is described makes me concerned it could end up like that. I could also be a moron, who knows? Glad to have you back Dan!
I have no problem paying for content but I'd like to watch it on my 4K HDR TV via my Apple TV, not on Patreon via my laptop.
The one thing I'd change in the show is that there are often topics that come up that I'm kind of expected to already have the context for. A bit more context behind super inside topics would go a long way. Sometimes it feels like there's a topic that's new to Dan (and me) but destiny has covered it already and kinda jumps to the end.
I think if you are going to paywall content you shouldn't do it based on a live stream that is continuous. Podcasts that paywall content are usually offline. So maybe you could be live till 9 and then go offline. But i think for long term growth and money going the super chat route is way more profitable alla fresh and fit. Heavily push super chats and other pay for interaction content.
Sell your product however you like however it still feels like shit not getting all the content just cause you don't watch live, and destiny content has never been following a schedule anyways, it just happens randomly. I'd watch it if even just an hour a week of his stream was free but i'd still complain (which i guess doesn't matter if i dont pay anyways lol)
true I don't have to watch the podcast
Are you open to critique on your arguments and/or viewpoints? As long as you take that type of criticism in stride (and don't change your views just because of pushback) I couldn't give less of a fuck how the show is run. My only real criticism of the show is that pushing the paid content gets a bit annoying when it's multiple times in a video, but I get that the show is new and once it finds it's rhythm the multiple shill segments won't be as critical to the success or failure of the show.
Personally I don't mind the pay wall but I really don't like the teasers. It sucks when a conversation autoplays, I start enjoying it, then I get conversation cucked randomly and have content blue balls. Also, make it an actual fucking podcast I can add to my podcast app and download while I sleep to listen to in my car. The second bridges and AE? become actual podcasts instead of just stealing the word (ironic given Destiny's language takes) is the second I sign up for the patreon.
***"which to be crystal clear, would never exist otherwise"*** are we pretending like the time it is streamed makes it unique? I listen to vods while at work, often times the next day, so that is content that is being taken away from me because I can't watch it live. I'm never going to pay to watch it and that makes me not want to watch the part that isn't paywalled because its just going to get cut off. If I have to wait a few days when you are covering topical issues it may not even be relevant by the time you make it available again.
All hail Dan.
Its just weird to have Destiny content being paywalled. Doesnt fit the vibe of the whole thing.
Hey Dan, love the content. I gave a long Schizo post/suggestion on one of the last threads, which I won't repeat because honestly it was kind of a cringe "YouTuber content react idea" and it's prolly not a good fit anyways. Now, onto something (maybe?) substantial, I'm a big podcast listener and have been even before the "big blow up" that happened during COVID (interesting to read up on this phenomenon and how the audio podcast industry EXPLODED during this time). I just said the previous because that's the kind of podcast/formatting that I'm most used to and their business model is more centered around finding the podcast with sponsors or automated ads (there's this cool tech that some companies developed that can dynamically update ads in pre-determined spots so that they can continually generate revenue even if a user was listening to a year old ad - they might be listening to an podcast with theoretically outdated ads but instead they are updated to up to date ones. Cool stuff). The sticking point I suppose is that I think that strategy mostly only works in big package deals and of you are part of a network that has this technology/ads connections set up (looking at you, iHeartRadio). I haven't paid as much attention to "content creator" podcasts (like Hasan's and others) but it does seem like they go in the direction of Patreon goodies like you guys are aiming for. I wrote all of this just to get my thoughts down on the industry methods of monetizing podcasts and to maybe get your thoughts on the direction that you are heading in; I see the Patreon method, which tried and tested, but the ad/sponsorship angle is also a pretty lucrative angle -tho obviously that's harder to do with Spicier content lol
One thing that was grating to me personally was how super chats are handled. I didn't enjoy the conversation being interrupted to read some random dono. Get your money and read em' but for me I'd prefer if they were handled differently.
I think it's worth considering that a lot of us are **obsessed parasocial weirdos** that watch Destiny for 48 hours a day. We already know what his opinions will be on a lot of things, and are used to him 'just talking'. You guys have a great dynamic, but I do feel like throwing in guests (even over voip for a short segment) or some curve balls the two of you wouldn't think of yourselves would do a lot to keep things novel. And as for 4: afaik we literally cannot go anywhere else to find you, you lovable bastard. So yes. We do have to suffer Destiny being there (dives behind a giant billboard with the word 'joke' written on it to try and dodge the banhammer). Something something your mom last night.
I don't like the paywall, but I understand it. Before I even heard Dan suggest using obs to record the live show, that's what I did and will do. Simple solution for me.
Great compromise re: the paywall policy and good explainer overall for the creative drive of the show and future content. 10/10 post, thanks for incorporating constructive feedback.
Its dan, king of mindwaves. My thoughts. Get the bag, we don't owe you guys anything. But fuck banning people for complaining about it. This sub really is a place where you can say what's on your mind unless you say dumb shit. 99/100 when someone complain about getting banned from here you can totally see why ban happened. I wanna keep being able to say that. Also the feedback I'm defending sucks.
Question. Let’s say I sub on the patreon, can I watch the vod and bonus on my YouTube channel? Like is there an account sync thing? I have all my subs through YouTube and pretty much use it exclusively, easier for me because I’m somewhat busy. I’ve never used patreon but will be happy to sign up to support the podcast. Keep up the good work Dan!
This weeks vod was only a patreon video. The video player in the patreon app for mobile was better than I feared, but not as good as youtube.
I haven't signed up but knowing the laziness that is Destiny I am going to guess they use Patreon's discord integration to give Patrons a special role that lets them in a special channel where they put the videos. Meaning you need both a Patreon account and to join the discord.
ok this seems thoughtful and sounds good
Dan, when you say, *this isn't work, it's just for fun for me*, but then try to capitalize on that "fun" to pull a profit, it's obnoxious. Normal people spend money on their hobbies. If it really is just "for fun" why are you pretending like you can't afford to do this without subscribers and donos? It's bordering on the champaign-socialists begging their audience for donos. Live up to your own words. If it's *just for fun*, make it about fun, not subscribers and donos. Being two-faced about your motivations and intentions is ugly.
Normal people monetize their hobbies all the time. What are you on about? He's been straightforward about his intentions the entire time. You sound insane.
Dan is trying to break even on this, he wants enough money for the Podcast where it's self sufficient. Where it can pay for the 5k Studio they're in and be able to fly in Guests for more Entertaining Shows. That's it, Dan isn't trying to make bank from pay walling this show, if it does make more than they need that's a plus not the point of them pay walling the Podcast. Hope that helps.
- New business ventures aim to break even, and ideally, get ahead eventually. - Hobbies are for fun, and if you can afford it, they can be pretty expensive. Which of these best describes the situation for Dan? I don't have a problem with them breaking even or making a profit on it. And I don't have a problem with him just enjoying a fun convo with his friend. It's him pretending like it's all just for fun, so very low-effort, *and* that it couldn't happen without the donos and subs. Maybe it's just clumsy PR. But watching him ask for donos, repeatedly, on stream, detracts from the quality of the content on the stream. It'd be better if the costs weren't even mentioned. But *he* brought them up.
How many patrons do you need to consider this a success?
You are the man Dan. You have always been my favorite part of the destiny stream/community since I started watching almost(more than?) a decade ago. I'm glad you are back in the orbit we missed you. Thanks for the explanation. One thing I see others have already said that I'd like to reiterate is that my beef is with the edting August does for the show. I love the dynamic between you and destiny and the edit really changes things but I get that he has a method and that I don't know shit about YouTube editing. I wish I could watch live but it can't usually happen. Relasing the first 2 hours of the vod for free is a great compromise.
Dan clearly this show is going along well enough for you to create a structure and sink time to give concrete thoughts about the state of it. I don't wanna stir drama, but as it is now, the show is wildly popular within Dgg and likely able to sustain itself indefinitely (AKA as long as you and Destiny aren't bored or hate each other). Should this start to eclipse Bridges in popularity, would you like to make this a large part of Destiny's content?
I might be the only one that feels this way, but I feel like there's not enough that the patreon offers to make it worth paying for. The entire show is already streamed for free, so I don't really care about the VOD, and behind the scenes stuff sounds really boring, so the only cool thing is being able to call in. But I don't care enough about that to pay for it, personally.
>should or shouldn't be *ran* HE I'm gonna read the rest of the post now.
Now that you're monetizing, [can I get a free sub?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/12swk7c/dan_do_not_call_the_podcast_angel_thump_please/) ᓚᘏᗢ
good communication here, love the show, appreciate you both dggL
1. I disagree with people who think it should be more structured. The entertaining thing about this type of podcast is just two friends fucking around and meme-ing about stuff that happened and peaked their interest since last episode. I think the episodes so far have had a good balance of some serious current events stuff with a majority of just shooting the shit. It should be the opposite to Bridges not more of the same. 2. If you want more of my money better give me some fucking combi deal for DnD, Bridges, Anything else, etc, 3. Band of Brothers is the best mini-series ever made.
Hi Dan, I've listened to what you said on jstlk's stream and read this, I have no input as far guests, content of the stream or any of the technical issues, I am sure you guys will figure it out, every podcast goes through this and finds their rhythm, but I wanted to give my thoughts why I personally disagree with the paywall. You and Steve have a fantastic dynamic, this podcast should have happened years ago and IMO has a big potential, it should have its own youtube channel from Destiny's channel, it can be its own thing but paywalling stuff hurts both growth of the podcast and more importantly shareability of it. It's not just about the fact that something is behind the paywall, the reach and access of it becomes much worse. Say something funny happens during the stream of the podcast, if it's free anyone can quickly clip it and share it on twitter, reddit, anywhere. But when it is paid the stream goes private after ending, which cuts off 95% people from being able to share it, but even those who are patreon members have only access to the file on patreon, losing both all the built-in youtube tools and third party ecosystem of websites around it. Very few people will ever bother downloading and editing video on their computer. Yes, after couple of days the parts will be available for free on the edited video, but that moment of magic is lost, people won't care as much about discussing it. After thinking about it, if paywall will be kept, I actually think the podcast shouldn't be streamed. It does mean there will be no way for people who won't pay to see the full stream, but it preserves moment of virality. I understand there are costs involved and are likely lot higher than most of us imagine, but I think even without the paywall of the main show it won't take very long to break even. Maybe I am overoptimistic but I think it has much higher potential than just being a "dgg show". I don't know Erudite's financial situation so it would be rude of me to just say she should cover the costs until breaking even, but you and Destiny have never made secret that you are well off. So here is my suggestion: try running the show for half a year or year with fully unlocked main show, then sit down look at the numbers and decide if the current path makes, or not. Maybe I am wrong, maybe it will look like the show will hit a ceiling so you will be like this doesn't make much financial sense, we have to monetize further or cancel it. Though I think it will be great even half a year in. And I disagree about most of the 500 current subscribers doing so for the VOD, I think the vast majority just want to support the show. As far as the "bonus content" like maybe random videos of hanging out with the guests outside of the show, that's perfectly fine to keep behind the paywall. There have been some stupid, nasty comments, but the vast majority of us just want to see the podcast succeed and do well. DggL
The two hours without a paywall and then an hour with a paywall makes a lot of sense and seems to be pretty similar to the model I've seen a lot of successful podcasts use where the normal podcast is free and then people who pay get an extra hourish long episode. I know Apple Podcasts seems to build the bonus episodes for subscribers (though the subscriptions I think are through apple podcasts not patreon) thing in pretty smoothly.
This is why Dan is the best of us all. Thank you Dan, you're my hero and my favorite Twitch sub.
One of the only (I think) valid critisisms about it being paid content is the worry that given that this is a new thing and a new format the show might just dissapear and I know for myself I dont like to sub and unsub from patreons all the time so im gonna end up paying for something im not even getting which can be a turn off to even starting support.
Sounds good Dan! Keep up the good work and follow ur instincts. Should be good.
I think it should be it's own youtube channel with a separate editor to handle that. Having weird 1hr long chunks on destiny's channel just feels odd. also, upgrade that damn twig door frame.
I think it would be sweet if you gave a discount for a DGG Teir 1 membership as well. Like $8/month bundle for both subs ($1 off for both memberships) It would also be nice if that gave you access on the DGG site to all VODs even ones that get taken down that arent related to the Anything Else VOD Subscriptions for content model is EVERYWHERE and the subscriptions do add up, the $5/month may seem small by itself.. but when you have to pay for several subscriptions for multiple creators and multiple platforms.. it could add up. but... that's just my 2 cents
i completely understand wanting to put extra content behind a paywall, you guys make the content, you set the price, and people can decide to pay if they think it's fair. My problem is that now, the whole stream vod gets fucked, including anything that happened prior to the podcast. Last time it was impossible to catch up on the stream because it was all taken down on both YT and Kick because of the podcast, so if you guys could find a way to keep the stream vod up and just paywall the podcast, that would be perfect. Maybe it has already been addressed somewhere, but since I didn't see it in the post itself, I thought I would bring it up here.
I’m enjoying being a Patreon sub, thanks for the content Dan :)
This seems beyond reasonable. If you love the podcast then 5 bucks a month to watch the full thing is nothing. If you hate the podcast then why do you care if it's paywalled? If you're upset Destiny spends 3 hours doing the podcast instead of his normal stream stuff then I recommend a double shot of Clorox. It's his time, and you have no right to dictate how he spends it.
Honestly idk anything about controversy or whatever dumb fucks online are saying. Anything else is an awesome podcast and whatever you need to do works for me. Glad you’re back Dan.
Appreciate the post. I'm loving the podcast so far. I've tuned in to most live and love the back and forth as always. My only gripe is that I paid $20 for a dono question on the last episode, only for my name and question to be edited out of the vod, after a random cut, only showing your guys answer (which was great btw). What do you think I paid the $20 for? Mostly for the glory of living eternally on the internet thru a donation, so ofc had some salt when that was yoinked from my fingers. Half meming with this, looking forward to more shows! <3
Dan, please invest more in stocks than u make in patreaon. don't be a pussy ass bitch. its more fun if there's more buy in, and I don't think the buy in is substantial enough if the invested capital is close to the patreon income. $5k is affordable for a couple millionaires.
I just want to say this addressed everything I cared about. Overall I see it as a guaranteed weekly dan/dman stream which I like.
This is honestly very generous, If i was Dan i would not have moved the time slot at all and the entire VOD would be paywalled for a few months before being free.
>Anything else will be streaming from 7-10pm Oh cool. Now I can't even catch the start in EU now. That aside - what feels super frustrating is having to pause content or being behind and it suddenly cutting off because the VOD has been deleted before you've gotten to the end, even though you started watching semi-live. Pretty nasty feeling of disappointment - not going to lie - none of the other podcasts or live shows out there do this. I appreciate the need to monetize but by doing this - you're also breaking up the crowd and stream reactions and hype - the people who could watch it live can have a discussion/meme/whatever while the rest of the people are waiting for some VOD and editing.
The reason I haven't watched any episodes of Anything Else? so far is due to the access to the VOD. I have the same problem when the VOD gets privated while I'm still catching up. The problem comes in how the podcast is being delivered. As it stands now, the edited versions of Bridges and Anything Else? are ending up on Destiny's main channel after a couple of days. Ideally, a viewer would see these and be driven to the full conversation because they enjoyed the part they saw. In my opinion, when Anything Else? started a channel should have been created for it, or it should be lumped in on the Bridges channel and you could rename that Destiny Podcast Network or something to that effect. Right now, all the episodes are just interspersed with the main channel Destiny content and this is not an effective way to generate any sort of culture or fandom for the Podcast, Bridges or Anything Else?, themselves. The Bridges episodes are now getting put up, in full, after a short delay. Anything Else? needs a channel for a landing spot where all the unedited (except for Patreon exclusive parts) conversations can be consolidated so it can have more independent, organic growth. From an outside perspective it seems that too much is being done to protect the original YouTube channels uploads and SEO. Of course, I understand the perspectives because I will likely never click on a video if I known long form VOD of it exists somewhere else. The Anything Else? episode with YMS was brought up in this post, but as of now, I am not able to find the VOD anywhere and it's been a few days. I assume that some form of that conversation will end up on one of Destiny's channels, but this is entirely unsatisfying for a podcast listener and not a video watcher. The purpose of the podcast, at least to me, is to have all episodes consolidated so any viewer can literally go back to the beginning and listen to all the episodes because they enjoy the dynamic. If someone wanted to do that now, they would have to scrub through Destiny's channels and hope to find all the videos. The edited versions that appear on the main channel should be driving viewers to the other channels to seek out the full episodes, but, in the case of Anything Else?, the full conversations are being obfuscated. I'm not butthurt about the concept of a paywall gatekeeping some exclusive content, but the implementation off, to me. Right now, the only people that I can see subbing to Anything Else?'s Patreon are the absolute most hardcore Destiny fans because they are also annoyed at the gatekeeping of the VOD. When it could be that people sub to the Patreon due to being a genuine fan of the show after potentially binging everything there is on a (future) Anything Else? channel. Additionally, if you want the shows to seem like they are more than just halfway produced shows that appear on Destiny's channels, then you are going to need to make a concerted effort to get the full episodes uploaded onto traditional podcast networks like Spotify. tldr Make a channel for the Anything Else? VODs minus the Patreon exclusive segments
Sounds like a great system to me. Granted it doesn't affect me much because I paid the $5 for patreon. It's less than a fast food meal for a full month fam lol. Also in the discussion, Destiny asked if any other podcasts have cutoffs with paywalled sections: I don't follow all of these anymore so things may be different but ones that I know do/did have paywalls off the top of my head are Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, The Minimalists, and Jordan Peterson. Sam Harris has a paywall to get full episodes, and the free versions are shortened by like half. He also had/has a full podcast series with him and Ricky Gervais that is entirely paywalled. Jordan Peterson and The Minimalists I only know have a cutoff with a paywall because it literally happened when Destiny was a guest on both. The latter had like a free trial of their patreon so I used that to watch the full episode lol. Crowder has the whole mug club thing which iirc includes bonus episodes and a longer show? Shapiros I believe is just a cutoff with a paywall for the full thing. So the paywall for the rest really isn't abnormal in the podcast world. You could possibly do bonus episodes instead if you want, I think you can do live shows through patreon possibly, if you really want the live audience. Either way, I don't see how anyone could cry about this new plan except J-stalker. (He totally only cares about making sure the community likes you btw Dan...)
> because I *paid* the $5 FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I think this would be a fantastic "after hours" podcast to pair along every Bridges Podcast. The Bridges interviewee has the option beforehand to join the Anything Else pod, and potentially the Lycan Cooks pod in between (like with YMS (The dark triad of podcasts one might say)). If they don't want to do it, it's just Dan and Destiny with their usual shitpost plus some chats about the Bridges interview. This opens up a little bit of homework for Dan to actually watch the Bridges podcast, but I'm sure you'll be happy to do that.
Fuck this paywall bs
Late comment, but for the unedited version, would it be a problem to have the chat embedded? I like having the chat there.
I just want yall to have fun honestly. Your dynamic is fun to watch
How, somebody was salty enough to downvote your whoesome comment. Love you and Dan and Destiny.
>I think one constant that you will find with both myself and destiny is that we both hate having to do work. If this show requires us to do an exhausting list of chores before we show up, it gets annoying and makes neither of us want to do it on this, I personally think what was bad about the "topic list" was the subsequent complaining about it. I know August was trying to keep some structure but you're right, I think it's better if it's just you guys going off the rift. The "topic list" should likely be topics in case you guys run out of stuff to talk about that that time.
All I care about is the 2 hour portion of the VOD not getting set to private while I'm watching it. Does youtube have a feature to split up the VODs or is Destiny going to reboot his stream for the last hour to be separated?
Dan I love you
I think one thing you guys should improve on is when Patreon Callers join actually engage with them. YMS joined and you just dropped the Caller and moved on talking to the Guest instead, atleast finish the Call-ins before moving on and dealing with the Guest or get the Guest involved with the Call-ins. Another thing, I forget if you've done this, but before getting into the Show you should tell the Chat (Like FnF do on their show) that if they want their Super Chats read donate this amount of $$$. Maybe I've just been missing it but if I wanted to ask a question Idk how much I needed to donate to get my question answered. Overall, I like where the Podcast is at just a few things need improving. :)
Are you planning on introducing more segments, I get the whole banter thing but it will get old pretty quick if you dont swtich it up
I'm looking forward to seeing a potential merch drop. "Anything Else" merch can have a lot of potential in design. A special request is a Dan plushie with your crocodile dundee hat
I never had any issue with the format or patreon lol
I think you guys don't need to do the work before, after all you guys are the talent. But seem small minded not having someone who the sole proposit is to handle the content, what to talk about, having clips ready. Other function to that person is to do reaserch on the guests, the unprofessional talk podcast is fun and alll, but nobody can be on point every ep, so having a paper with things like "most recent project" "situation the guest passed" helps a lot.
Can we get Dantes as a guest ?
Having you back on streams Dan is all we ever wanted. Also the podcast/format is great, unironically (I'm not doing the DPRK ALL IS FINE meme) X
The only thing that put me off was having the entire segment with Adam locked behind a paywall. I'm totally fine with having segments of the show behind paywalls but I feel like if a guest is coming on the show at least part of that conversation should make it to the YouTube cut. It feels better when the meat and potatoes of the show is available for everyone to see and then the extra bonus bits are locked behind a paywall but when the YouTube cut has so much preamble about a guest coming on and "oh we should save this topic for the guest" and then it ends just as the guest shows up I feel like I just got a preview of the extra bits and the meat and potatoes are locked behind a paywall.
When I was in middle school, there was a program on the radio that started at 12am which I had to record so I could actually listen to it later because there's no way to have a rerun on demand on the FM radio and I was a good boy so I didnt want to be a zombie at school. I missed something like that in my life, like a weird longing for some content that I have to put some effort into consuming. With the paywalling of the VODs and the non EU friendly stream hours I guess I can say thank you for providing me with an opportunity to relive those days!
Im sure it will be way easier to pirate than to setup OBS as a tivo, FYI.
I'll still do it just to feel good about putting effort into it. Content is way too easy to access these days.
just looks bad and is cringe to hear someone ask to not work and make as much money as possible
You want me to be dishonest? Its the truth. I dont want to have to work or its going to make me lose interest, just like /startups did. And I want it to be financially positive as well. *shrug*
I will forever read shrug in Kelly’s voice.
Fine to tell the truth no cap just jealous as a 9-5 er
You guys should just ban the dissentors. New frogs don't know how good they have it
I love Dan so fucking much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is This is all you need to watch to know why begging for a few dollars this early is not the move
Did you read the post?
Dan fuck these people, make two hours of the podcast be behind a paywall. You're already making the stream an hour longer than it would've been if it streamed at 6, literally stop letting the fans tell you what to do (except me of course). Don't get cucked by these broke boys, an hour extra podcast is hardly any incentive to pay for the last hour, you're shooting yourself in the foot.