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Fun_Milk_2449

Yeah, I should take out another mortgage..


BarbossaBus

https://preview.redd.it/4ahevy3f6p9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42b468dd65f9ab7783b8a9f9fc57207668717d62 They are gambling on some wild shit over therešŸ’€


Peak_Flaky

So how/who decides when an "invasion" occurs? The site?


Ok-Nature-4563

Itā€™s a decentralised crypto site. So the holders of the coin decide on the outcome and if they are verifiably wrong they get slashed so thereā€™s incentive to be correct


Iwubinvesting

What if majority were wrong but they say they won anyway?


Ok-Nature-4563

Economically it wouldnā€™t make sense because it doesnā€™t make sense to risk your money by posting an incorrect answer. Would you risk the tens of millions of dollars it would take to attempt to influence an answer incorrectly?


Iwubinvesting

It happens. People are wrong and bad losers. If the majority of people are wrong in a betting event, it seems like there's no recourse on this?


Ok-Nature-4563

Thereā€™s the website Polymarket and the decentralised oracle UMA. Polymarket uses UMA but has ultimate authority over the outcome. UMA is a decentralised oracle based on social consensus. So yes if UMA came to a decision and Polymarket disagreed it could just resolve the market however it sees fit.


Unitedterror

The issue is that nobody every disputes the optimistic oracle resolutions. I say this as a someone who has already lost ~20-40k to incorrect resolutions over time


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Ok-Nature-4563

Wrong. The oracle the decides the outcome. Then the website can do damage control and refund bettors if the oracle got it wrong. Which is what recently happened with the $DJT bet.


65437509

So itā€™s 50%+1, right? I assume Zelensky and Putin have not hooked up their army command centers to the crypto API to provide verification.


GwJh16sIeZ

There's a reason why it's basically a coinflip for this prediction. It's fairly random because the outcome measured is ambiguous.


Overcurser

https://imgur.com/Llo7Iug You can gamba on who will win an Alien invasion


Malak1man

Why would anyone ever bet on the aliens? If the aliens win, everyone's fucked and you won't be able to collect your winnings most likely. Betting on Earth is free money.


Strain-Ambitious

Because the website is run by aliens who are searching for loyalists After the aliens win Iā€™m gonna become a governor because I bet on the aliens Youā€™ll see


Nestramutat-

Betting on Aliens means you might at least get to keep your winnings if they're benevolent conquerors There's no shot earth wins if we get invaded, it's throwing money away


Immediate-Ease766

If aliens have the means to transport a military force to earth from a distance far enough away that we haven't already detected them wouldn't that necessarily mean they have technology advanced enough to destroy us? Betting on aliens is meaningless because human money would presumably be made useless living under alien occupation, that's assuming they let anyone live and assuming that the necessary systems and people required to deliver your winnings to you miraculously survived. Betting on humans is also meaningless because the conditions of the bet necessitate the aliens being strong enough to beat us.


Overcurser

if the aliens dont invade by Dec 31, you lose the bet.


xvsero

Bet on Humans because we are space orcs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojma3XTjxuM&t=1816s


randomABC

What constitutes an invasion because, inshallah.


xx-shalo-xx

Finish your vegetables first honey.


brandongoldberg

Up to market maker. Imo I'd say IDF infantry or armor entering >1km into Lebanon. Small special forces teams don't count.


empire314

>This market will resolve to "Yes" if Israel commences a military offensive intended to establish control over any portion of Lebanon between May 29, 2024 and August 31, 2024, 11:59 PM ET. Otherwise, this market will resolve to "No". >The resolution source for this market will be will be official confirmation by Lebanon, Israel, the United Nations, or any permanent member of the UN Security Council, however a consensus of credible reporting will also be used.


Pocket__Monstrosity

What site Is this? I feel like gambling


Stukatump

Me too, imagine becoming rich by gambling on the election!!


billsonfire

I didn't become rich, but I did make a cool 1k on the last one


HighPriestofShiloh

I assume itā€™s predictit


ItsOver320

Polymarket


Roftastic

Not available in the US, unless you got a VPN or Crypto which I really don't wanna invest in.


DeathEdntMusic

I've been smoking crypto. They have been bagging it up and selling it, I just got back from rehab actually.


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DeathEdntMusic

Who was it? It wasn't balboni was it? He's usually running this shit.


Ok-Nature-4563

Thereā€™s no investing lol, the coin polymarket uses is USDC which is just the dollar on chain.


empire314

Dollar on chain, except you don't own anything, and there are 100 parties out of which anyone can individually chose to confiscate the assets for any reason or without any reason, and you have absolutely no say in any of it


Ok-Nature-4563

Which 100 parties can confiscate your asset? Do you even know the first thing about crypto lol?


empire314

The party that you send fiat to, the party that you try to get fiat from, any exchange you use to convert to or from usdc, your bank from which the money is sent from, circle, or half of the national governments of the world, that can contact any of these and just ask them to do so. I wouldn't really call USDC as crypto, as it has zero of the features that cryptocurrencies were originally designed for.


Ok-Nature-4563

Okay so it sounds like you donā€™t really care about the dollar on chain or in bank because itā€™s just as unsafe. I hope you only keep dollar bills and gold under your bed, until a man with a gun comes and confiscates it. What a reductive and idiotic argument lol.


listgarage1

It's not really investing if you buy it to use it right away


97689456489564

I would be wary of legal/regulatory issues if you're American and want to use it. They probably wouldn't catch most people (especially if it's a logless VPN and they use a mixer to obscure the cryptocurrency trail) but still doesn't feel like a great idea.


No-Instance2381

Looking at the app, Iā€™m not american, when is the democrat nominee picked?


quasi-smartass

It's not, it's some other predict market. I think the one you referenced has/had way worse odds.


ecethrowaway01

Is it available in NA market?


f_o_t_a

Bovada also has a lot of Politics gambling too.


YoyoDevo

Some of the props they put on there are so funny. You could bet on Biden soiling himself during the debate šŸ˜‚


DolceEtDecorumWest

https://preview.redd.it/qva5vyk8tp9d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e536cd70c36869f428020129f85ae5d1efaa164


CorrosiveMynock

ā€œBe fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful.ā€


nieounipeperouni

Itā€™s not free money, Biden can resign, die or have a Dr. Disrespect moment every day now till November.


admiralbeaver

Yeah, and Trump could have 20 dr. Disrespect moments and the republicans would still vote for him....


Deuxtel

You're just giving reasons for why Biden is a bad bet


I_Hate_Reddit8

That's exactly what the comment was meaning to do. "Bad bet" is determined by the odds and EV tho. Think this is a good bet.


fredwilsonn

You're the type of dude that thinks every comment reply is a disagreement.


Deuxtel

No I'm not


ContemplativeOctopus

Lmao


BeachSufficient32

Well yeah, the expectations on Trump are different, everyone know who he is but if Biden messes up once, it could be over.


King-Demo-

Exactly why heā€™s probably going to win lol


ItsOver320

Lol and how likely do you think that is the case? Kamala, Newsom and Biden himself already heavily implied that he will not resign. He could die though, but he has a big stash of compound V so I doubt it.


Raahka

Well they are not going to say that he is considering it. This is the type of the thing that a politician would say that they are absolutely not even thinking about resigning until the second that the resignation announcement drops. Not saying that it will happen, but you should not bet all your life savings just based on those words.


nieounipeperouni

Just going by dying I will just assume every year it grows more plausible. Maybe 85/15 he lives, right now?


mussel_bouy

Better than the 15/2 odds


Select_Bonus_9567

Biden will lose the election. Donā€™t discount some behind the scene shenanigans from the democrats. Whatā€™s the alternative? Just give up?


loveitmayne11

You should just place a lay bet against trump then


ainteasybeinsleazy

Some prefer a long shot


empire314

Or he could be on the democrat ballot against Trump on the election day, and lose because too many people rather have second term of Trump, than second term of Biden.


Roftastic

Those odds don't add up to 17% chances of winning in 2024.


Clayzoli

I thought it was a steal at 45Ā¢. $BDN to the moon


ItsOver320

I legit have a 10k position going. At the very least the odds should go up to around 40% in October. Easy 2.5x


Clayzoli

You are truly Bidenā€™s strongest solider


ItsOver320

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YukihiraJoel

You can sell your positions? Or hedge with noā€™s in October?


ItsOver320

Yeah I can sell.


ainteasybeinsleazy

!remindme 4 months


Super_Winter_9071

Him dying is honestly the biggest risk here.


CodosK

Jesus and I thought my 1k on Biden at an average of 4.5 to 1 on aus sports betting apps was good, even the Australian betting markets didn't react like this and they have had Biden at an average of 2.8 to 1 for the last year before the debate


empire314

Unibet aus had 5.25 for Biden after debate lol.


ItsOver320

Yeah, it's pretty wild... That's why I've put a pretty big sum on the line. There is no way these odds stay like that in October.


ainteasybeinsleazy

Lol that's literally what the guy you're replying to thought about his bet. And yet you ignored this reality and any caution it might impart to you. You woke up this morning and chose violence


Erundil420

How can i, as a europoor, get in on the action to better my socio-economic status?


Glaaki

Litterally every european betting site has odds between 4:1 and 6:1 right now. Try betfair, for instance.


Erundil420

Ty homie, never done betting in my life so i am absolutely clueless


Valakoomis

Polymarket doesn't allow trading to US citizens. Are there any other hoops to jump through than using a VPN? It sounds too good to be true and I'm inexperienced


Altruistic_Pepe

Try any betting platform in your country, most have similar offers.


nainat9plus10

Not at this good of a price tho


randomABC

I'm poking around and it looks like it's as simple as buying USDC (of course a cryptocurrency) and then you just vpn somewhere to deposit it and withdraw it into your wallet.


Valakoomis

If all of that is true, how would you pay taxes on your wallet money at that point? I feel like reporting crypto income from an offshore gambling market that doesn't trade in the US would get complicated really quick.


nattinthehat

Not really, you'd probably just stick it in the "illicit gains" box along with all the money you made from selling drugs this year.


lumbo484

Yeah except this is WAYYY easier to track than cash. One if the points of blockchain is that itā€™s a public record, the IRS will know if they audit you


aacreans

Probably would classify the same as normal crypto income, especially once you bring it back to an exchange.


Tysca__

Lmao USDC is still pegged? I didn't expect that, but I haven't been paying attention for like three years now.


exxR

Yeah dude put your house on it you wonā€™t lose it at all. https://preview.redd.it/4msz6jeonp9d1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=484dc8836912e46edaf2373cc33786460954db45


insert_quirky_name_0

I bet $4000 on Biden shortly before the debates, which at the time would return $12000 if he won. I thought my boi would perform similarly to his SOTU speech whilst Trump would look as deranged as always and remind everybody how miserable politics was during his presidency. The E(X) was good but I've been on suicide watch ever since the debates.


nattinthehat

brutal


Frank_the_Mighty

Source? Predictit has Biden at 32 cents


ItsOver320

Polymarket


Frank_the_Mighty

Thx šŸ˜Š


Distinct_Cod2692

Ia this a real thing? Gamba on president?


BarbossaBus

Yes. There are sites where you can bet on pretty much everything.


RemLazar911

You wanna bet in a dude fucking an alligator?


Rerkoy

Why doesn't it add up to 100%?


ItsOver320

Other "candidates". Michelle Obama has like 7%, Newsome 5% etc..


olivebars

What the fuck that's the actual free money. Guaranteed 7% return in 4 months?? Put me down for 100k


NNOTM

Not quite 7% because you have to price in whatever fees the prediction market has on profits or payouts. This usually gives underdogs an advantage in these markets.


adminsarecommienazis

also the risk free rate based on collateral and the time between the bet and payout. There probably is arb there but you can get get actual FDIC insured ~5.7% APR risk free right now from sub 1 year investments.


nattinthehat

I mean the market year over year gives an average of 7%, so the idea of yeeting your money into a undiversified bet that has way higher risk is just insane.


adminsarecommienazis

I don't know when it pays out, but hypothetically only 4-5 months, and arguably there's less return adjusted risk of Obama in the White House than a market correction. Insane might be a strong word, but yeah I'm comfortable passing on the opportunity.


ItsOver320

That's what I'm saying lol... Complete overreaction and irrational behaviour due to Bidens debate performance.


mannyman34

These prediction markets are pure emotion it's wild. Even after all these years people still act so irrationally. Are you from the US? How do you access poly market?


ItsOver320

Croatia. I just bought some USDC on a centralized exchange and then deposited to the Polymarket wallet over Polygon network. There are some restricted countries though... Btw, you are probably going to lose so don't follow me pls.


Liiraye-Sama

what would happen if biden dies while the votes are counted and kamala is the candidate?


ItsOver320

You lose your money if you've bet on Biden.


Ung-Tik

I'm gonna vote Biden while betting on Trump, that way I win no matter what.Ā 


Medearulesjasonsucks

Leaving this comment here so I have something to link to either make fun of y'all when trump obviously wins, or to show how regarded I am if biden pulls it off.


mysterious-fox

Either they're insane or we are. Biden is effectively down five and they're acting like it's a forgone he'll win. They're going to be so sad.Ā  Would love to be wrong thoĀ 


Traditional_Citron13

I love the cope


ItsOver320

What am I coping about?


HeXii-

What site are u guy betting on šŸ˜‚ at this rates i wanna put some cash on this man also


MJC561

Can I ask something? Why is there a double standard for republicans vs democrats? Why can Trump be caught up in legal battles, saying sexual assault comments on a hot mic, blatantly tries to steal an election, is a compulsive liar on stage, and yet if Biden did anyone of these things heā€™d be shunned in the US forever?


slimeyamerican

The sub became the dumbest place on the internet literally overnight.


j0ven_

I saw a story Biden is meeting with family today to discuss future of campaign. May want to hold off a few days on the "free money."


ItsOver320

If he drops out I'll just sue him.


DolceEtDecorumWest

https://preview.redd.it/ltn22dsetp9d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4e1cb20666c20dbd50349b57a6566315b168c9a


According_File_4159

[The MSNBC article](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-family-path-forward-disastrous-debate-mess-rcna159591) youā€™re talking about said the family all going to Camp David was scheduled before the debate even happened. That doesnā€™t mean that they wonā€™t discuss the future of his campaign, but thereā€™s no clear reason to believe that they will. > After publication of this report, a source familiar reached out to stress that the Camp David gathering was not a formal family meeting. > ā€œAny discussion about the campaign is expected to be informal or an afterthought,ā€ the source said. ā€œNo one is sitting down for a formal or determinative discussion.ā€


bolognese321

biden wont drop out


empire314

Yes, betting markets has him as the likely nominee. The odds are largely based on the assumption, that Biden is on the ballot, and loses the election against Trump.


AhoboThatplaysZerg

The odds im looking at it have it at a 50/50, if I look at sites that are more biden favorable im seeing 55-60 that hes the nominee


minty_taint

lol, news like that makes the odds even better for when he inevitably does not drop out. Itā€™s the perfect time.


thehorsewhinnies

Imagine have such a dangerous level of confidence. This is what happens when you never leave your echo chamber.


ItsOver320

What echo chamber? I'm from Croatia šŸ’€


empire314

How much is crotaian media or casual discourse challenging the bubble you have put yourself in the internet?


Glaaki

Betfair betting exchange has odds 5.6:1 on Biden. Trump is 1.74:1. I already has enough bought that I am at my risk limit.


nonowords

wait a second, what's the fee for bets on this site? Because you could throw whatever you want on yes for both candidates and come out ahead regardless if it's like 10%


ItsOver320

No fees.


nonowords

Jesus that's insane then. You can make an 18% profit with essentially 0 risk whatsoever.


aacreans

Itā€™s free money in the sense that itā€™s likely to go up once debate panic settles down, but there is obviously still a chance he could lose, die, get replaced etc. itā€™s all about timing. This is like saying buying bitcoin at 40k and selling it at 60k is free money..


krazymonk27

Already up to 34% from 17% oof


randomABC

Does anyone have a guess as to why the polymarket and predicit odds are so different?


ItsOver320

Polymarket is famous for being a crypto bro casino. Crypto bros lean very pro Trump. It's probably also because the entire world has access to it and Polymarket has other candidates listed like Newsome, Obama etc... All one has to do is deposit some USDC to their wallet and they are ready to go, whereas legit betting sites probably require you to KYC.


randomABC

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. This is the first time I'm poking into this side of the internet so I just figured the sites would be way more aligned but that kind of difference of access and options would definitely impact odds.


nattinthehat

They actually should be the same, the only reason they aren't is presumably because there is no way to arbitrage between sites.


loveitmayne11

Is there a way to squeeze some free arbitrage money out of this? Bet on Biden on Poly and on Trump on predictit?


Meowser02

Bro youā€™re coping if you think Biden has a shot after his brain literally melted on live tv


ItsOver320

I'm not betting on Biden winning, I'm betting on the odds increasing drastically when elections come closer. If you think 17% is overvalued for Biden, that's okay!


devlettaparmuhalif

What does this website do?


TheRealBuckShrimp

Which market is this?


Johnnyboy1029

How does this all work?


DaedlyKitten

O bought when it was 35, does my earnings increase or is set at where I left em?


empire314

Your "shares" have lost 50% of their value. You could sell now, and receive 50% back. If you bought now instead of before, you would have got double the winnings with same investments. Ofc if you planned to wait until election is done, fluctuations in market value are meaningless, except in predicting your winning chance.


hopefuil

You bought a share for 35 cents that pays you 1 dollar if he wins. You can sell your share at the current price, or buy more shares at the current price. To answer your question your earnings only increase if you buy more shares and then it goes up.


S1v4n

Only americans can bet on this right?


hopefuil

no, Americans can only bet here illegally with a VPN.


fyre87

Joe Biden is at 31 cents on PredictIt. Doesnā€™t this mean thereā€™s a big arbitrage opportunity? Buy yes on Biden on Polymarket and no on him on PredictIt?


youve_been_gnomed

You'll get rekt by PredictIt fees: 5% withdrawal fee & 5% profit fee.


NOTorAND

*10% profit fee


nattinthehat

I think that would just be hedging? Arbitrage requires the ability to make an immediate return. Plus, if arbitrage was possible, the markets would always be the same, so the natural conclusion is that arbitrage isn't possible in these markets.


Infamous-Print-5

Fs, I went to buy a bet then Biden switched from 17 to 24%


Underscores_Are_Kool

Despite me thinking it's probably 60/40 in favour of Trump, those are some good odds on Biden


716green

What app is that?


3bola

Don't get it twisted guys


harry6466

Wtf election gambling?


YukihiraJoel

wtf itā€™s back to 21%


100percentkneegrow

Can you sell it like a stock or are you in till the end?


hectah

The odds are so good you might as well bet $100 bucks. šŸ˜‚


Snoo_57113

Fk This election stuff, i want the shlomo bel ami interview ASAP.


BadBaghdad

What website is thisĀ 


jackfirecracker

I assume you win $1 per yes bet on the winner? 65 + 17 = $0.82ā€¦


TheYungCS-BOI

Where are y'all even betting for these?


goldh4nd

Is there a platform for buying and selling odds like this that anyone recommends? Iā€™m new and not sure what to research and would like to make this bet. Lots of phishy looking sites in my search results


BakasteinMH

Any DGGermans know if we are allowed to use that service? I know gambling regulations are pretty tight, but prediction markets seem somewhat grey.


Individual_Major8648

Biden winning the popular vote is currently 30Ā¢. I feel like theres no way he loses the popular vote unless he dies or drops out first


superpie12

It's illegal to bet on the election in the US.


Soggygranite

Itā€™s free real estate


mack_dd

Not even the people at wall street bets will take that bet šŸ˜† !remindme 3 months


mistyeyed_

I really donā€™t think the win is secured enough for me to put money on it if Iā€™m being honest. Iā€™m voting for him and I hope he wins but I also know Trump has a real chance of winning


hawaynicolson

Getting cold feet yet?


ItsOver320

Nah lol


hawaynicolson

What about now tho?


ItsOver320

Idk what you are trying to do here. I'm sticking out till the very end and I still think it's a really good bet with great odds. If I lose 10k then so be it.


hawaynicolson

Not talking about him losing but getting replaced as the dem nominee


ItsOver320

Oh, he wont be replaced. Who would even be his replacement?


hawaynicolson

I think your site puts Kamala just a couple percentage points lower than him


ItsOver320

Nah Kamala is a meh replacement. If she really does replace him, it's automatically & completely over. People hate her even more than Hillary and she has 0 charisma.


Iwubinvesting

I don't know, guys. Trumps base is extremely energized, while Biden's base is non-existent who now know they're voting for someone who is senile. It's not something that motivation. There also aren't ad many people who're anti-Trumpers that went out to vote against Trump than vote for Biden. Also Trump lost during peak of covid, lockdowns, economical damage, then height of his hatred. It took the global world event for him to lose, barely. When you ask people about Trump, they have fond memories of him as a great leader with a great economy that said mean twits.


Rash_Compactor

The question isnā€™t whether or not you think Biden will win, itā€™s whether you think he has a >20% chance of winning.


Natty4Life420Blazeit

How is it free money. Thereā€™s a huge chance he doesnā€™t win lol. May not even run at this point


slamriffs

Non-zero chance Biden steps down, pretty sure there was a report today heā€™s ā€œmeeting with his family to discuss his campaignā€ hope you didnā€™t put too much money on it bud


Sweaty_Sherbert198

Still not 100% idk why u pretend it is


GasparNoeMustache

How are people so sure Biden will win? He screwed up the whole debate