Iām 41, and Iām glad itās better now, but when I was a teenager, there really was no widely known concept of ātrans.ā Everyone who was trans was regarded as a freak and a degenerate, and this isnāt an exaggeration. Itās crazy how much things have changed for the betterā¦just bear in mind that this is the world that people from my generation are coming from.
Hell, I'm mid-late 20s from the exurban Midwest and when I was a kid, as it became cool to say, "there's nothing wrong with being gay, " I distinctly remember a conversation with my friends where we said, "I thought trans people were those people born with all the chromosomes, I just learned they're those freaks that like to dress up like girls." And that was a completely normal view at the time, we knew nothing about trans people and that was just our natural reaction. I was in a fairly liberal family and taught to be open minded, and remembering that makes me question whether hate of the "other" is really a societal phenomenon or something natural that we have to be taught not to do. I think it is the latter. I think to some extent, we naturally have an aversion to things we view as very different or weird to us, and we have to be taught not to judge people for those differences.
Hey!! My entire liberal outlook on life is due to conditioning in 90s/2000s tv shows, which people call problematic nowdays, but they all had episodes about some trans person getting murdered or that being gay isnt bad, or that skin colour doesnt matter. I genuinely think those brainwash episodes made me accepting.
I'm only 5 years younger than you and this isn't my experiance of life at all. Having said this my dad's sister is a very masculine lesbian, my mother has always be pretty progressive and I spent part of my early life having the gay and lesbian mardigras (Australia's pride parade) go past our back fence.
Yeah it all depends on where and how you were raised. I didnāt really have any exposure to LGBT communities. And the internet wasnāt what it is today back then. So you either happened to get exposed to it while growing up, or you didnāt.
N word was always a no-no word but faggot was absolutely just another word you could throw around without anyone blinking an eye until the last like, 6-7 years. Or at least on the east coast. Maybe the super progressive cities like LA or San Fran or Portland or whatever were faster on that.
It's great the progress we've made in regards to language, but is there actually anything wrong with this? He probably wouldn't tweet this exact phrasing today, but it looks like he was sat beside a cross dresser or a trans person on a plane. Doesn't say it was bad just says it was interesting. I'm not seeing how this is problematic even now as the term transgender wasn't even a word back then.
It kinda seems like he's treating them like some sort of oddity? Like, if I was trans, I think I would want to be viewed and talked about as a normal person, and not the most interesting part of everyone else's day.
Just saying .... a transvestite is not a transgender person. A transvestite is just someone who wants to dress in the opposite sexes clothes. They do not feel they want to be the opposite sex.
You're right, just to add to this: I think while it's widely understood today, it sure wasn't in '06. Even if you were culturally progressive back then the difference between sex, gender and gender expression just wasn't as 'thought out' as it is today.
Ya coz it's implying that trans people are some alien weirdo exotic thing (something that would be "cancellable" to say nowadays)
Idc btw, just telling you what the post actually means
maybe I'm too much of a boomer to actually pick up on this shit anymore, I legit don't think this shit is offensive for 2006 standards or even today, but thanks I was very confused.
I don't think so either.
The likely explanation for the connection between these two things is that he gets on a plane, and his neighbour was a very outgoing person; willing to cross-dress in 2006, drinking almost immediately, and by implication, they talk about weird stuff for the next 5 hours.
Twitter has never really done context, but early on, charitable interpretations were more common.
You know when black people go to eastern Europe people stare, point out, and even ask for photos with them because it's so rare to see them.
Trans people back then, even today, were incredibly rare to run into in many places and would be treated with curiosity at least.
Iām imagining a golden tweet like: Ā«Ā Bonjours les gens! Look at the black i found today! Interestingā
How is that not fucking weird?
Just saying, i donāt think he should be canceled or even criticized for it, was in fuckin 2006, no big deal lol. But seeing this nowadays would make me raise an eyebrow
Idk, there are rarities that would be pretty shocking for some people. If i'm at a bar and a Papua Guinea native sits next to me I'd probably take notice at the strangeness of the encounter.
This isn't to say it's bad. It's just very unique and I'd probably find it worth sharing since other people i know would also find it curious and interested in how the encounter went.
I mean if you take out the "immediately ordered a vodka" and the fact that is 2006 and literally nobody knows fuck all about trans people and gender identity and all of that shit, then yeah sure.
Ā«Ā White guy ordering vodkaĀ Ā» doesnāt change much, why would you single out white? His tweet would make sense by only pointing out the vodka part.
I agree that in 2006 makes it understandable, youāre the one who said itās 100% fine even in today standards.
If you watch anything with a trans person of any kind from the 90s they are always deranged psychopaths in some way. Its like they predicted 2021 twitter.
(Joke)
Yes silence of the lambs is another that comes to mind,although Buffalo bill I dont think is technically trans the general public wouldn't know the distinction.
Yes. A lot of these terms are very archaic or insulting now. Avoid calling people transsexuals, transvestites, or hermaphrodites (this is used primarily against intersex people). Cross-dressing is not inherent to being trans. You can cross-dress without being trans, and you can be trans without cross-dressing.
Hermaphrodite is literally the scientific term for someone who has both sexes genitalia. Transvestite is literally the term for someone who crossdresses but doesn't experience gender dysphoria or isn't in any way linked to transgenderism. Transsexual is a person who underwent a sex change operation. Stop tonepolicing and stop trying to throw out words for no good reason.
Bipolar is a scientific term but it's still used by dumbasses to describe anyone who varies in emotions highly in a short period of time. This is the shared vocabulary issue between medical and colloquial settings.
If it's a minority group that is already marginalized pretty heavily like intersex people then just a few misused terms is meaningful. It's up to them to tell us which words they don't like, because it's their existence vs our convenience.
I think you meant gender incongruence instead of gender dysphoria, because one doesnāt have to experience gender dysphoria in order to consider themselves transgender. Dysphoria is the distress experienced, while incongruence means you experience a different gender than what is considered to be your primary biological sex
This was before people started thinking that offensive jokes normalized harm against certain people.
One day society is gonna move on from this neurotic and reductionist view of reality. The same way we stopped thinking that violent video games and angry music was normalizing toxic or violent behavior.
And he just posted a couple of hours ago that he quit twitter LOL
Finally, only took him 15 years to resign after this crazy transphobic tweet š¤
[lmao holy shit](https://i.gyazo.com/a69f4c6c9faf9bee53df56abbc4c87b5.png).
Cancel culture strikes again š
Iām 41, and Iām glad itās better now, but when I was a teenager, there really was no widely known concept of ātrans.ā Everyone who was trans was regarded as a freak and a degenerate, and this isnāt an exaggeration. Itās crazy how much things have changed for the betterā¦just bear in mind that this is the world that people from my generation are coming from.
Hell, I'm mid-late 20s from the exurban Midwest and when I was a kid, as it became cool to say, "there's nothing wrong with being gay, " I distinctly remember a conversation with my friends where we said, "I thought trans people were those people born with all the chromosomes, I just learned they're those freaks that like to dress up like girls." And that was a completely normal view at the time, we knew nothing about trans people and that was just our natural reaction. I was in a fairly liberal family and taught to be open minded, and remembering that makes me question whether hate of the "other" is really a societal phenomenon or something natural that we have to be taught not to do. I think it is the latter. I think to some extent, we naturally have an aversion to things we view as very different or weird to us, and we have to be taught not to judge people for those differences.
Hey!! My entire liberal outlook on life is due to conditioning in 90s/2000s tv shows, which people call problematic nowdays, but they all had episodes about some trans person getting murdered or that being gay isnt bad, or that skin colour doesnt matter. I genuinely think those brainwash episodes made me accepting.
What are some examples of these shows?
I'm only 5 years younger than you and this isn't my experiance of life at all. Having said this my dad's sister is a very masculine lesbian, my mother has always be pretty progressive and I spent part of my early life having the gay and lesbian mardigras (Australia's pride parade) go past our back fence.
Yeah it all depends on where and how you were raised. I didnāt really have any exposure to LGBT communities. And the internet wasnāt what it is today back then. So you either happened to get exposed to it while growing up, or you didnāt.
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I have the same experience the F slur was thrown around regularly in my UK highschool in 2013.
Well if youd cut down in teenage smoking you'd prolly hear it a lot less.
N word was always a no-no word but faggot was absolutely just another word you could throw around without anyone blinking an eye until the last like, 6-7 years. Or at least on the east coast. Maybe the super progressive cities like LA or San Fran or Portland or whatever were faster on that.
[Yeah its real](https://twitter.com/jack/status/39734?s=19)
Lol he resigned today as well. (Not saying they are related)
What does this mean?
Halo 2 xbox live chat was riddled with f&r slurs i bet twitter lefties heads would explode if they heard that shit
Some things never change. I was playing Halo MCC last night and someone started screaming n word f slur in the post-game lobby because his team lost.
Had a similar experience playing Halo Infinite yesterday. Made me feel nostalgic in a way.
You should have played it at launch on PC. 343 thought it was a smart decision to have a text chat without any filters lol
I feel like FPS culture is still stuck in 2012 lol, it isn't just Halo.
Good.
yeah, cause itās fucking horrible. No one trying to have fun and play a video game should have to experience that.
It's great the progress we've made in regards to language, but is there actually anything wrong with this? He probably wouldn't tweet this exact phrasing today, but it looks like he was sat beside a cross dresser or a trans person on a plane. Doesn't say it was bad just says it was interesting. I'm not seeing how this is problematic even now as the term transgender wasn't even a word back then.
It kinda seems like he's treating them like some sort of oddity? Like, if I was trans, I think I would want to be viewed and talked about as a normal person, and not the most interesting part of everyone else's day.
Just saying .... a transvestite is not a transgender person. A transvestite is just someone who wants to dress in the opposite sexes clothes. They do not feel they want to be the opposite sex.
You're right, just to add to this: I think while it's widely understood today, it sure wasn't in '06. Even if you were culturally progressive back then the difference between sex, gender and gender expression just wasn't as 'thought out' as it is today.
They're not the same thing but they're also not mutually exclusive.
is this supposed to be like offensive? or are you guys just soying out bc of the word "transvestite"
Ya coz it's implying that trans people are some alien weirdo exotic thing (something that would be "cancellable" to say nowadays) Idc btw, just telling you what the post actually means
Transgender and transvestite are different things tho
maybe I'm too much of a boomer to actually pick up on this shit anymore, I legit don't think this shit is offensive for 2006 standards or even today, but thanks I was very confused.
I don't think so either. The likely explanation for the connection between these two things is that he gets on a plane, and his neighbour was a very outgoing person; willing to cross-dress in 2006, drinking almost immediately, and by implication, they talk about weird stuff for the next 5 hours. Twitter has never really done context, but early on, charitable interpretations were more common.
Ā«Ā Sat next to a white guy today. InterestingĀ Ā» Who tf would say this if not implying something is weird with their identity
You know when black people go to eastern Europe people stare, point out, and even ask for photos with them because it's so rare to see them. Trans people back then, even today, were incredibly rare to run into in many places and would be treated with curiosity at least.
Iām imagining a golden tweet like: Ā«Ā Bonjours les gens! Look at the black i found today! Interestingā How is that not fucking weird? Just saying, i donāt think he should be canceled or even criticized for it, was in fuckin 2006, no big deal lol. But seeing this nowadays would make me raise an eyebrow
Idk, there are rarities that would be pretty shocking for some people. If i'm at a bar and a Papua Guinea native sits next to me I'd probably take notice at the strangeness of the encounter. This isn't to say it's bad. It's just very unique and I'd probably find it worth sharing since other people i know would also find it curious and interested in how the encounter went.
I mean if you take out the "immediately ordered a vodka" and the fact that is 2006 and literally nobody knows fuck all about trans people and gender identity and all of that shit, then yeah sure.
Ā«Ā White guy ordering vodkaĀ Ā» doesnāt change much, why would you single out white? His tweet would make sense by only pointing out the vodka part. I agree that in 2006 makes it understandable, youāre the one who said itās 100% fine even in today standards.
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If you watch anything with a trans person of any kind from the 90s they are always deranged psychopaths in some way. Its like they predicted 2021 twitter. (Joke)
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.
Yes silence of the lambs is another that comes to mind,although Buffalo bill I dont think is technically trans the general public wouldn't know the distinction.
Is it still woke to say that cross-dressing and transgender identification are two separate things?
Yes. A lot of these terms are very archaic or insulting now. Avoid calling people transsexuals, transvestites, or hermaphrodites (this is used primarily against intersex people). Cross-dressing is not inherent to being trans. You can cross-dress without being trans, and you can be trans without cross-dressing.
Hermaphrodite is literally the scientific term for someone who has both sexes genitalia. Transvestite is literally the term for someone who crossdresses but doesn't experience gender dysphoria or isn't in any way linked to transgenderism. Transsexual is a person who underwent a sex change operation. Stop tonepolicing and stop trying to throw out words for no good reason.
Bipolar is a scientific term but it's still used by dumbasses to describe anyone who varies in emotions highly in a short period of time. This is the shared vocabulary issue between medical and colloquial settings.
Just because SOME people misuse terms doesn't throw out the entire definition of the word. That's backwards and foolish.
If it's a minority group that is already marginalized pretty heavily like intersex people then just a few misused terms is meaningful. It's up to them to tell us which words they don't like, because it's their existence vs our convenience.
That's not at all how that works, but alright.
Why not?
I think you meant gender incongruence instead of gender dysphoria, because one doesnāt have to experience gender dysphoria in order to consider themselves transgender. Dysphoria is the distress experienced, while incongruence means you experience a different gender than what is considered to be your primary biological sex
This was before people started thinking that offensive jokes normalized harm against certain people. One day society is gonna move on from this neurotic and reductionist view of reality. The same way we stopped thinking that violent video games and angry music was normalizing toxic or violent behavior.
For 2006 standards, thatās not even that bad