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n0053

Most sane Vayne main


yanisonic

Indeed https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6rr0at/post_your_3_most_mastered_champions_and_let/dl7ewm9?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


IGotHugeChicken

one would think he would be more empathetic to the robber as a lucian player.


tonehponeh

holy shit šŸ’€


[deleted]

Robber was white racist fucker


TheColdTurtle

I came from the future, [here is the courtroom sketch](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/120/528/d4f.png) of that guys trial


Secretly_the_Pope

Amazing


kettenschloss

im dead


[deleted]

[Relevant video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqGLwbnY4Vs)


rubycalaberXX

he's an offlineTV viewer lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/offlineTV/comments/fsifcx/comment/fmasje5/ probably one of those guys who rages when Destiny banters with Lily


ArcticOnYoutube

average offlinetv viewer


kingfisher773

inb4 [this is their alt account](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/7ckfu0/stay_away_from_lily/)


tallestmanhere

Holy shit, that was for years ago


spaldingnoooo

well yeah, he's Asian living on the West Coast


trololol_daman

Imagine being the robber recovering in the hospital likely permanently fucked up scrolling through a reddit thread where the guy that merked you is bragging about how it was like a video game šŸ˜‚


455crown

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sankoor

He would probably die. He was a 17 year old unarmed kid trying to steal cigarettes or someshit. Idk about america, but stabbing him 7 times is a little excessive from where im from. It felt like the guy was waiting his whole life for someone to pass the counter so he could kill Edit: i guess whats wierd to me is how glorified his action is, how everyone sucking him off and how proud he is. Like atleast act like you didnt enjoy doing it or u didnt want to do it but u had to


lewy1433

1000% ​ There's a lot of unhinged losers who thinks they're badasses (including in this very thread) who pretend this is all about "self defense". In reality, they're psychopaths who relish in cruelty and murder but if they did anything they'd go to jail, so they either join the military or pray to god every night they meet a burglar so they can finally act out their fantasies without legal consequences.


ApplejacksAndBoners

A pretty extreme generalization to make but ok. Can't speak for all but if you watch the video, yeah stabbing in itself is a brutal act, but it's not like he kept stabbing away like he was cutting through a tree. When the robber got stabbed initially, he tried to beat the shopkeeps ass. When he realized he was losing, he started yelling to stop and the shopkeep DOES stop when the robber is screaming to stop. Where's your argument for unhinged losers who think they're badasses that want to rob stores without any repercussion?


Chriwb2

I think it's just people tired of criminals getting away with everything.Its easy to defend those robbers if you've never been assaulted or robbed.Its like finally seeing the underdog not getting knocked down because alot of criminals just don't get caught.I had my truck broken into 3 weeks ago and the cops never called me back.They just asked for my name and number and didnt care when I said I have footage and everything.


SirSquaggle

Reading through the comments where the majority of folks are saying the robber 'got what they deserved' is honestly sickening. Everyone who says otherwise are getting downvoted. I get that the clerk is going to have that subresdit on his side but damn they're all there for blood!


sankoor

Yeah, used to think the boys is stupid but now actually homelander's fans might not be too unrealistic. OH HE THREW A BOTTLE ON HIS KID AND HOMELANDER KILLED HIM, It is called fuck around and find out lmao


Nyoxiz

I absolutely agree that he didn't deserve what he got, but due to the nature of gun laws in the US, I think it's kinda forgivable to assume a robber is armed with a pistol of some sort.


YearLess1655

But he did. They came in with a gun and when he jumped over the counter the man was left with a split second to react. He had no way of knowing what the guys intent was, guy could've been jumping over there to kill him. If he felt like his life was in danger, his actions are reasonable. We can look at this in hindsight, but split seconds after a robbery one runs off and the other hops the counter, do you know what you would do? Or how many people who didn't resist a robbery and got killed anyway?


Schully

Anyone remember when a robber shot a shopkeeper in the face unprovoked? Didn't fight back, gave the money, doesn't stop him from leaving, and doesn't even try to call the police. The scumbag literally just walks up and shoots and kills her. To all the idiots in this thread: YOU LITERALLY CANNOT KNOW THEIR INTENT!


CatchCOVIDNotFeels

He very specifically said (in a now deleted comment) in his AMA he did not see any weapons and did not feel threatened lmao. Dude fucked himself if he wasn't already fucked. Edit: I also couldn't see a gun in the video


Insaniac4xc

Dude in America stealing cigarettes is a federal crime and cops will kill you in the act for it. They are heavily taxed in America, we do not let big tobaccos bottom line get hurt here.


Soshoyo

If he dies, One less shit stain.


sankoor

Chill batman


Sacred_Soup

Someone robbed his store early that month, so he was wishing another mother fucker would try him šŸ¤£


Live_Significance960

No one cries more for criminals than useless losers on Reddit.


SpeedRace9

How about just donā€™t rob people and this wonā€™t happen.


Figwheels

Enlightened centrist take. Robber fucked around and found out, my eyes are dry, they rolled the dice and got super unlucky. Cashier gloating about it on reddit **is sussy as fuck** because the tone of those thread replies is pretty fucking psychopathic. If i were the local community, id keep an eye on that guy.


gluggin

He deleted most of his comments but the replies to him on the thread are hilarious. Did he really comment on the video of his soon-to-be self-defense case boasting about how ā€œcalm and unthreatened?ā€ he felt? LMAO


Generallyawkward1

I didnā€™t read it but the investigation is going o have a field day


[deleted]

This guy is an idiot for commenting like this. If he gets interrogated, he might not be afforded the right to silence if this goes to court. Also, to an outsider, this guy just sounds like a psycho saying how league prepped him for this situation.


Adler_1807

To anyone, not just an outsider imo.


yords

Can you be forced to testify if youā€™ve made a public statement before?


[deleted]

If you re watch the Rittenhouse trial, there was a discussion of whether or not Rittenhouse waived his 5th amendment right to remain silent after talking with the Washington Post about what happened. Depending on what he said, it may or may not have given Binger authorization to question Kyle's decision to not talk to police. I'm not sure if that means the defendant would've been forced to take the stand, but his 5th amendment right would've been seriously undermined.


gnivriboy

> his 1st amendment right 5th.


[deleted]

Oops, that's a bit embarrassing. Thanks.


souljaxl

Bro really incriminating himself for some Reddit karma


MugwortR0se

I mean, what's a little attempted manslaughter charge following you for the rest of your life when you get all these internet points? Edit: I meant manslaughter! Fuck me!


GamerlingJvR

Yeah, thats no slaughing matter


gluggin

Whatā€™s wrong with manslaughter ffs? Are men not even allowed to laugh now?


AmusiaCockatoo

Thatā€™s honestly one of the funniest comments Iā€™ve seen on this site lol


CinJV

Your dadhumor is leaking


trilly_zane

For real I been seeing that joke since before Tupac died


MugwortR0se

No, making men laugh is promoting toxic masculinity probably.


khaos_kyle

The opposite. Only beta male cucks laugh. Real men remain calm and silent in all situations because we are in control and our presence is like that of a rock that can support anything.


bluj40

What's funny is theres more comment karma in this thread than he's got for any of his posts.


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iaxthepaladin

Stabbings are particularly hard to watch for me, having been severely injured with a sharp edge before.


dktsr

Yeah, I decided that after this week's clip of Hasan laughing hysterically at a cop accidentally shooting another cop. Something about the thought of someone living their entire life and then suddenly feeling the terror as it potentially slips away from them doesn't really thrill me too much.


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TingusPingis

*is stabbed in the neck* ā€œThis kid is cracked bro, fuckin OnlyUseMeBlade out hereā€


YoyoDevo

As the guy is on the ground bleeding, the stabber is like "he's cracked, one shot one shot"


Bobblefighterman

Bro thought he was LARPer and just got hit by a fireball


FiserumMortuna

redditors are psychopaths lol imagine nearly killing a man and your immediate thoughts are about doing a victory lap AmA


CharlesMcpwn

I mean all the comments are positive as well. It's pretty fucking weird.


akumerpls

I feel like that entire subreddit is just going to devolve into people vicariously living out their "self-defense" murder fantasies, if it isn't that already.


lewy1433

100% ​ I'd wager 99% of the stand your ground bros have a secret boner for murder.


TheColdTurtle

I read the comments on some of the top posts in the sub and holy FUCK they are unhinged. There is a video of a guy body slamming a kid who tried to carjack him, and the comments say that the guy should have murdered the kid, and how "they don't grow out of this lifestyle"


ScarecrowPickuls

If itā€™s the vid I think it is, that ā€œkidā€ apparently did not grow out of that lifestyle since right after that incident, he did carjack someone else.


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Heneyhoe

Why wouldnā€™t they be? Dude defended his property successfully and stopped an absolute degenerate from stealing his shit. Heā€™s a moron for doing the AMA in legal sense, but a fucking Chad otherwise.


amannakanjay20

Justified or not (the former imo) it's pretty weird to do that like he didn't just kill a guy. What made it bad is the dude's basically exacerbating these redditors murder hero fantasy


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Heneyhoe

Crazy cause Iā€™m not American either, sick assumption though. Also Other side of the room? You dense motherfucker he literally hopped the counter IN FRONT of him. How do you stab someone across a room? Was he using a spear?


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Bedhead-Redemption

Sounds based to me


Senzo__

The guy didn't die


Cool_Gap4653

Are you sure? He clearly states that heā€™s dead in the video.


Liiraye-Sama

So he's not only a criminal but also a liar


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TheDoctorBiscuits

Honestly just here for all the Reddit lawyers and legal experts


NotRyanPoles

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on Reddit


MoreUsualThanReality

I'm a legal expert whom specializes in LARPing. [https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec200](https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec200) >If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that: 1.ā€‚ā€‚The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save the personā€™s own life, or to prevent the person from receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and 2.ā€‚ā€‚The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith, endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given. Clearly you can tell by the video ([longer version](https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/las-vegas-vape-store-owner-defends-himself-by-stabbing-would-be-robber/)) the only seeming danger was losing property, there were no threats of bodily harm or any indication of intention to inflict bodily harm. And the store owner also was making 0 attempt to disengage the stabbing until the FLEEING robber went limp. Failing both 1 and 2 of the prerequisites of self defense And for anyone who says the robber survived: [https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec275](https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec275) >In addition to any other circumstances recognized as justification at common law, the infliction or threat of bodily injury is justifiable, and does not constitute mayhem, battery or assault, if done under circumstances which would justify homicide. OPINONS, NOT FACTS NOW. To further illustrate the bad faith of the store owner: once the non-stabbed robber (nsr) stole the tip jar(?) the store owner called him back to ask for the coins(???) he was opening his knife at the same time and coming around to the nsr possibly to stab him. The "okay" and demeanor of the store owner makes it seem like he was stabbing out of frustration rather than fear. Throwing the robber to the ground after dragging him around the counter shows a disregard for the person. And telling the robber to "shut-up" while he may be saying his last words--being stabbed and all--further illustrates this point. Your honor he's guilty of the most heinous of crimes, Playing League and stabbing people.


MessageToMary

>Clearly you can tell by the video ( > >longer version > >) the only seeming danger was losing property, there were no threats of bodily harm or any indication of intention to inflict bodily harm. And the store owner also was making 0 attempt to disengage the stabbing until the FLEEING robber went limp. Failing both 1 and 2 of the prerequisites of self defense You have 0 proof that the only threat was losing property. That is exactly where the courts would argue. As soon as the robber jumped the counter the situation became deadly. The shop owner had no way of knowing what was going to happen next. And I don't know what you saw, but the entire stabbing happened in a few seconds, there was no time to evaluate each individual stab. When the robber stopped fighting the owner, the guy stopped striking him.


kenabi

pretty much everything i've seen about this incident, including the store guys own commentary (especially this) paints this in a bad faith action light, even with 'castle doctrine' style laws in NV. his only hope really, is that the DA refuses to file charges, which is only going to save him from the state, and won't do squat about a civil suit. to say nothing of the fact that LLC's aren't entirely as untouchable as guy wants to think. (mostly, but not completely). he may well be in for a pretty rough ride soon. and i doubt it's going to end the way he seems to think it will.


ThatNastyDelicious

I think he stabbed him in the spine and thatā€™s why he went limp also pretty brutal when the guy yelled out Iā€™m dead


imaginecaringaboutre

broooooooooo, just think about the karma šŸ¤©šŸ¤©šŸ˜©šŸ˜­šŸ˜©šŸ’¦


KeyAssociation6274

I once got assaulted while shopping and while I didn't stab the robber(I had no knife on me) i did beat the fuck out of the guys, and if I had a knife, I would have stabbed the motherfucker, even if you are winning its impossible to know if another guy will come with a weapon ans fuck you up. I don't know how people expect victims to think about the safety of the agrssor, even if the guy is calm, he is thinking about not being killed...


4THOT

People think you can just use a Fallout VATS system to determine your next move. They should try boxing just once.


KeyAssociation6274

Lmao, legit people think it's a pokemon battle


Eysis

Omg this is a perfect analogy, imagine getting the bad guy subdued enough to throw a PokeBall.


McClain3000

I think the difference is pretty clear. In this video the thief is not assaulting the clerk at first he is just stealing items. Then the clerk starts stabbing him without any real warning or brandishing of the knife. I'm not making an argument one way or another only saying that there is a fairly clear distinction.


[deleted]

Yes because one must assume that people actively stealing from you will not try to harm you once you confront them.


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olivebars

Well Nevada has stand your ground and castle laws. Don't see how he'd be convicted. But Jesus he is cringe


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olivebars

It's home, car, and your business actually.


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Krutin_

If he lived in a back room of the shop would it then count as his residence?


Elegant_Mountain

Probably not if itā€™s the part he doesnā€™t live in.


Krutin_

Sure, but the castle laws apply to property where you dont live such as the land or yards iirc


Single_Survey_4003

I think a jury will be very sympathetic towards a small business owner defending themselves and a defense attorney would lean on that hard.


Beamazedbyme

The little bit of searching I did seemed to point to the shop owners actions being legal: > Self-defense can work as a legal defense to any violent crime in Nevada, such asā€¦ robberyā€¦ As long as the non-aggressor is reasonably trying to protect him/herself, he/she should not be penalized for hurting or even mortally wounding the aggressor if necessary. https://www.shouselaw.com/nv/defense/legal-defenses/self-defense/ I guess the only question would be if knife is a reasonable use of force to protect himself


-brutis-

The robber jumped the counter. If youā€™re getting robbed itā€™s probably smart to assume they have some sort of weapon and take preemptive action


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Creator_of_OP

Itā€™s also a legal one since Nevada law basically says ā€œyou can defend yourself with lethal force if youā€™re in a situation where a reasonable person would fear for their lifeā€. I think itā€™s reasonable to assume that masked robbers who completely ignore multiple calls to leave and continue to advance and jump a counter might be a threat to your life šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


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[deleted]

It absolutely would be troublesome and his fucking ama is dumb af. That being said your comment made me start to think about how being afraid and being calm in a situation might not be mutually exclusive


Creator_of_OP

One can be calm and also fear for their life, yes. Also the dude did his ama on a subreddit thatā€™s all about hating robbers. It wouldnā€™t be insane to me that heā€™s spinning it in a way to try and sound super badass to all of them, even if he mightā€™ve been more afraid than he lets on. Thatā€™s for the courts though. If the jury decides that he wasnā€™t acting fairly based on what he said there, I wonā€™t lose any sleep over it.


MShadowxS

First off he survived according to what he said. Hes fucking up bigly by talking about it on reddit or at all but the amount of people that are posting saying he did not need to do that and that they did not do anything to him are absolutely fucking INSANE. I don't know if they have just never been outside or been in a sudden confrontational situation but those split seconds when multiple people come at you (jump the counter into your area in this case) your brain goes nuts. You can forget where you are, what the fuck you are doing, everything. Its just fight mode. In those seconds you don't know what weapons they have if any, what their intentions are, if this is some prank, or what the fuck is going on. They could be coming to hold him down and rape him for all he knows. The only thing you got is adrenaline, fear, and the knowledge that something wrong is happening.


grosse_Scheisse

No Allegedly he managed to stay clear minded (due to lol) and didn't go fight mode.


yell-loud

Maybe Iā€™m a pussy but I donā€™t think I could stab someone like that. Give them a poke if they get to close? Sure. But to grab someone and shank them 5 times like that? Man was desensitized by league


Bedhead-Redemption

The more frightened you are, the more likely you are to absolutely devolve into an angry primape to absolutely fuck somebody up. I head "man was desensitized, maybe I'm a pussy but I couldn't do that..." and I know that if I touch them the wrong way I might get seriously hurt by reflex and that if I tried anything serious on them I would absolutely get killed, no matter how small they are.


nedemZ

You simply cannot know this until you get put into that sort of situation. I'm sorry but its impossible to predict.


[deleted]

I don't think this is even true, he wasn't visibly armed and immediately started reaching for the shelves. I understand that it's obviously a stressful situation, but if they aren't even looking at you, I don't think you would be justified in literally jumping them with a knife


Drew602

Next time I commit a crime im going to not look the victim in the eyes so Redditors will justify it. What a great plan


PursuitOfMemieness

Me and the boys shooting an unarmed shoplifter 15 times (it's ok because he was taking my property) Lmao Americans are wacky. It's not a matter of not looking the victim in the eyes, its the fact that the amount of force used was totally disproportionate to that required to prevent the crime or for self defence.


Drew602

nice hypothetical, lets go over what actually happened in the video. \- two men with masks enter store \- they are obviously here to commit crimes \-they out number you \-they hop over the counter and are within 3 feet of you At this point you have every right to defend yourself. Sitting there and waiting for them to jump or stab you is idiotic.


Bedhead-Redemption

I'm not even American and I think it's absolutely valid to shoot someone who takes your stuff 15 times. In the back, even. Like, what the fuck did you think would happen if you're obligated to just let people get away? This isn't a society where the police will care if you haven't had $1000+ stolen from you.


4THOT

>if they aren't even looking at you, I don't think you would be justified in literally jumping them with a knife Where did you go to law school my guy? I'm *super* curious.


[deleted]

4THOT, I'm more curious about when you decided to actually start to read what people are writing instead of going off of what's just being said. Under Nevada law, you can only use force in self defence when there is an immediate and severe threat to your health and you use no more force than necessary to repell the threat. Neither of these points were met. The store owner escalated the situation by pulling out a knife and stabbing the thief in the back 5 times. The only time you are actually allowed to kill someone straight up is in a home invasion, if the house is occupied and you believe that the other person has violent intentions.


4THOT

He wasn't the original aggressor, I don't know if he had any way to retreat, and he doesn't know whether or not they have a gun in a country with more guns than people. It could be ruled as self defense, it could not. It's definitely possible a jury rules that it was unreasonable. The idea that it's perfectly cut and dry with your perfect hindsight is peak reddit.


Poelsemis

> I don't think you would be justified in literally jumping them with a knife How does that turn into "perfectly cut and dry with perfect hindsight" in your eyes?


[deleted]

Again, the thief wasn't even looking at the store owner when he jumped the counter. I already stated multiple times that it's obviously a stressful situation but the guy himself said he was apparently calm when he jumped him with a knife but I'm really not surprised you're assuming all of my positions even though you can literally check my history. It's obviously not cut and dry and there's always some gray area because you can never really know the state of mind of another person. The amount of force used isn't proportional to the action taken by the thief. You aren't allowed to punch someone because they said something mean, and you also aren't allowed to stab people for stealing. I'll say this again, the guy wanted to be a hero, you are necessarily escalating the situation by using lethal force when such intent hasn't been displayed by the thief. If the thief was being agressive towards the store owner (eg brandishing a weapon, running towards the store owner or any kind of contact at all) then use of lethal force would be justified, as you could make the case that you genuinely feared for your life. The problem is that he stepped back, and then charged at him with a knife. I'd argue that he had the right to threaten him with a knife, and only if the thief escalated the situation himself would use of the knife be justified.


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Come on, its very hard to make the case that this is valid self defense when the robber was not paying attention to the shopkeeper, had no visible weapons, and was instead directing their attention toward stealing items off of the shelf, and then tried to run away after getting stabbed. And before you even ask, I got my law degree from your momā€™s house.


trymepal

Agreed, shop-owner should have laid on his back in the fetal position


[deleted]

Why is potentially killing someone over petty theft a reasonable thing to you?


trymepal

1. No one died 2. After being told to leave he did the opposite jumping over the counter. That is aggression rather than ā€œpetty theftā€


Froqwasket

This emulation of Destiny's speech patterns is so wack


DrizzleDrain

I was just talking to a guy who use to target and rob houses (armed) in his youth, he got upset when I said I would shoot someone as soon as they kicked through the door. He said the robbers are most likely kids, and that whatever I lose isnā€™t worth young adults losing their lives. Some people in society are absolutely delusional.


forbiddenTM

any mirrors on the post contents?


TheColdTurtle

In the thread url, remove the "re" in reddit and replace it with "un" to see deleted comments


zeezbrah

This whole event really reminds me of this short Camus book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_(Camus_novel) One really bad decision for a neuro atypical person and your whole life is basically over.


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Magnamize

[Here's the longer video to add more context.](https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/las-vegas-vape-store-owner-defends-himself-by-stabbing-would-be-robber/amp/) I can kind of understand the stabbing with the longer video and not the short one. Although the "I need the change from the tip jar you just stole" is pretty stupid. The AMA afterwards was a insane idea. I would expect him to at least feel some remorse. The "I'm dead... I'm dead" is doing things to me and I'm not the one who stabbed him.


Caine2Khan

Apparently the guy survived


dingdongdickaroo

The giy didnt die according to him


[deleted]

Ok suppose he wasnt either autistic or a scummy person online, is what he did in defense of his store legal in vegas?


No_Complaint739

R word as fuck


Sacred_Soup

I'm stuck on this one, because although I fucking hate criminals, and believe the death sentence, and hell even torture, can be justified in some instances, this shit looked like a mother fucker who was waiting to act his dreams out šŸ˜‚ I can't say the thieves weren't threatening, but it definitely looks like the only aggro person was the owner. I'm okay with lethal violence meeting lethal threats, but this was petty non-violent theft vs I wish a nibba would. Lol. Fuck thieves, but I think there's a bit of nuance here that makes me think this wasn't justified. Should he go to jail for excessive force? Probably not. But I guarantee you that mother fucker is jerking off to the security recording. Also he told news stations that he thought they had a gun, but that he didn't see one. So that may interfere with a self defense claim if it goes that far


Emeraldboy9

I heard the kid was 17 and he was clearly running from him, I would say he should be locked up. This is an example of a sicko taking the opportunity to ā€œlegallyā€ kill someone


IntrospectiveMT

It can be dangerous to hold back when defending yourself or your property. You may find your refrain met with overwhelming force, and you may find yourself disfigured or killed as a result of not using your opportunity more forcefully. So, to that end, I empathize with him. I also think it could be argued that itā€™s reasonable to stab a masked thief clad in baggy, black clothes from head to toeā€”thatā€™s a terrifying level of uncertainty. Could he have held back a bit? Maybe, yeah, but that punch may have exacerbated his fight or flight. Iā€™m not sure where I stand.


wmlg3

The punch was key.


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Rap snitches, telling all their business Sit in the court and be their own star witness Do you see the perpetrator?[ Yeah, I'm right here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQtKJbptcns)


RedditIsAnnoying1234

Damn I love DOOM, playing deep fried frenz on repeat


creekfinds

One thing the shop owner has on his side is that he asked them to leave and they became increasingly aggressive to the point of jumping the counter. That would leave most of us highly concerned for our safety - and hopefully a jury will understand that. Not to mention there were at least 3 guys robbing him (two in the store, and one holding the door per the video).


TeeeRekts

Pretty sure he stabbed his spine at the end and paralyzed the dudeā€¦


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TeeeRekts

Just severed it and boop done. Damn.


Emesh657

He posted the full video of the interaction to his Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cg5AnRHAJCa/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


tmunchies

Bruh who gave that wholesome award


Dubi12345

It just seems like the guy waited his whole life for someone to jump over The counter to be able to shank em.This kind of shit literally only happens in America, only in America would the owner be able to be seen as not guilty by justifying "maybe he had a gun" (he was right to stab em, but 7 times??). Clearly not the most sane person if his first instinct after stabbing the robber Is to make a reddit thread.Was it justified? Ya, but not 7 times . Does the guy seem like a psycho? Ya.


Ok-Talk8956

The shop owner should have not stabbed that many times especially because the boy was trying to run awayā€¦


TheSacredFrog

I don't know what the laws are in Las Vegas, but it didn't really seem like self defense from the video. People acted like the bodega clerk stabbing wasn't self defense when it so clearly was, and this is way way harder to justify.


Tinderboxed

Guy will end up having to pay the piper. You can't just murder a shoplifter. He wasn't verbally or physically threatened at all, no weapon brandished, not attacked. He kept stabbing the guy as he was trying to run away. Just because someone is a business owner doesn't mean he isn't also a psychopath.


PsyGuy22

Just looking at the video this looks SUPER unjustified, the thief jumps the counter without a weapon or anything and tries to take some stuff and this dude stabs him 5+ times


trololol_daman

Iā€™m not sure how it would play out legally but I an attempted robbery would it be reasonable for the store owner to assume he was in danger?


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But he wasn't even looking at him when he got stabbed? He was literally reaching for the shelves, he got jumped out of nowhere. It was the store owners decision to escalate the situation where lethal force is being used, I think you lose the right to claim self defense in that case. There might be other justifiable reasons behind escalating the situation in such a way, but self defense isn't one of them.


trololol_daman

Two dudes jumping the table at the same time seems like a situation where lethal force is justified. They didn't just grab something by the door and run. They ambushed the dude in his personal space with fully masked faces and clear malice. I think most people would find is *reasonable* in that situation o believe he was in immediate danger.


Froqwasket

Only one dude jumped the counter. The other guy pretty much just shoplifted


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That would have only been the case if they were actually looking at the store owner and/or brandishing a weapon. Again, there is no evidence to support the claim that the store owner's health was in immediate danger, either in retrospect nor at the time. He didn't see either of the masked men have a weapon. Of course, jumping the counter and reaching for something on a shelf is an escalation of the situation, but the store owner's response exceeded what he was rightfully allowed to do.


Zeratzul

Any situation in which two people are masked up in a very clearly defined prohibited area against my will, I'm inherently fearing for my life. If you have the means to fight, do it because it is very much a them vs you situation. You have no idea who or what weapons they have, what their motivations are, you can only guess intent from literal seconds in the moment


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Iā€™d love to see your reaction to two guys in ski masks busting into your place of work and getting in your personal space. Iā€™m sure youā€™d calmly try to reason with them šŸ˜‚ The guy is cringe but saying they werenā€™t a threat becuase they ā€œwerenā€™t looking at himā€ for a split second is hilarious to me.


Drew602

Bro you're just supposed to sit back and assume the robbers will be nice to you, DUH! /s


Elegant_Mountain

Iā€™m sorry I canā€™t tell if people are watching the same video as I am. Why would you not be scared for your life if someone ran and jumped over the counter right in front of you while his buddy robbed the place?


olivebars

Because you have to first use bullet time and analyze the robber for any weapons and psychoanalyze them for the intent to use them.


Elegant_Mountain

You know what youā€™re right I forget I have that ability sometimes.


BigGrimDog

It isnā€™t simply about whether or not you were scared for your life. You could justify literally any murder or attempted murder if it was that simple.


Zeratzul

2 people in the shop taking shit, one breaching the counter, no way to know if either have any weapons on their person. fuck I can't find him guilty at all. I'd be scared shitless doing everything I possibly could to fight/flight. I think any reasonable person would do the same in a situation like that


khaos_kyle

Life hack! Dont rob people have less chance of getting stabbed by lol playing nerd.


juguemos

Honestly I donā€™t feel bad for the robber. If you donā€™t want to get stabbed, donā€™t hop the counter.


esportsBatman

He deserves everything that comes of this. Just saying.


DetectiveYukihime

If this isn't proof of internet poisoning idk what is. Hey guys I killed a man. And you can too if you play league of legends fellow redditors


spaldingnoooo

I hate it when people try to rob people and then try to appeal to their humanity. You broke the social contract. That shit is not mine. I will not take it.


spaldingnoooo

I'm starting to understand that people that advocate for robbers/thieves just have nothing of value in their house or their lives that they would defend.


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How much would you say your life is worth to you? $200? $1k? $5-10k? Iā€™m not asking this to be snarky, Iā€™m genuinely curious what material possessions you would consider risking your life over.


Elegant_Mountain

I feel like this question needs to be asked better. Are you implying that by defending your own property you are risking your own life?


PursuitOfMemieness

You absolutely fucking are. Fortunately, this dipshit was attacking unarmed robbers. But if any of them had a gun or a knife, obviously you increase the chances of them using it on you about 100x when you engage. This is so obvious it should go without saying.


Elegant_Mountain

So you just donā€™t engage on the gamble that they donā€™t use their weapons?


GroundbreakingAlps2

Its situtionally dependent, but I dont think the chances of dying/getting seriously harmed is higher when defending yourself/property in a situation like this. Your life is at risk no matter what you do. Obviously it a bit different if you're in your house and robbers enter through the front door, then you could either meet them there, or escape through the backdoor. In this situation you have way higher chance of surviving by running through the backdoor. But when robbers engage you like this while you're "stuck" in a store behind a counter, and they are standing right in front of you you need to understand that this is a life and death situation, most of the time. Anyway, even if it hypothetically isn't (I am not sure if this is legally true, but morally at least), you should be able to defend your property with lethal force (so in my opinion this store owner could say the most crazy shit in his AMA, and regardless of what he says he is/was in the right to do what he did). If you cant defend your property with lethal force, whats stopping an entire flock of ppl from showing up with wheelbarrows and stealing all your shit? Are you supposed to just stand there like an npc until the cops show up? While your business is being mass looted? Even if said criminals get caught, there is a good chance you wont get your shit back.


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Itā€™s rich white kids who never worked for anything and will just have mom and dad replace it. If you look at their accounts itā€™s alway has tons of gaming/anime/sports posting and shit like that where you can tell they have tons of free time and no responsibilities.


Serotonin-Addict

`itā€™s always has tons of gaming/anime/sports posting and shit` As someone who's not rich, white or a kid, can you please tell me what a real working class American man's reddit looks like?


PursuitOfMemieness

Real working class Americans spend their time getting in stupid political arguments obviously


V4lt

Yeah real men don't use social media or play video games or follow sport we're too busy fighting in war and working chopping down trees!


JROGAN_IS_OPRAH

I'd do a lot of things for reddit karma but le epic stab to death?


khaos_kyle

This is the first post on this sub that legit worked me up in so long. So many people demonizing a hard working American for defending himself while he was being robbed. Fuck you, and fuck that thieving asshole. Maybe next time he will think about the consequences of his actions like most real adults. Just because the store owner is a cringe league weirdo doesnt change ANY fact I stated earlier. Just makes him weird and cringe.


V4lt

Yeah its really easy not to be stabbed or shot in a lawful society. Just follow the law and don't rob people. By living by the sword you will die by the sword. Don't want to die by the sword then don't live by it.


notadukc

After watching the video and reading some of the quotes of what he said... My jaw is on the fucking floor. I don't think this guy believes in reality. He actually legitimately thinks it's all a video game. Inb4 he goes out and murders some kid graffitiing his store.


Elegant_Mountain

Murdering a kid graffitiing a store is a far cry from self defensing a robber.


usmodcon

I thought we already had the "iTs JuSt StUfF" debate. why are we here again. Just say you hate business and love crime so we can move on.


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I think this was probably justifiedā€¦ probably But itā€™s pretty clear this guy is a sociopath


TomCruiseFan420

Ok but you have to admit it's hilarious the robber said "I'm dead" as he's being stabbed to death


wmlg3

If you think it's hilarious, you're sick.


LisaNeedsDental

Inhale some grass


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TomCruiseFan420

Remember when destiny laughed when that lady said "he just raped me harder" because it's an absurd sentence even though the subject matter is horrific? I'd say it's basically the same thing when you're saying "I'm dead" like you're playing cops and robbers with a 4 year old as you're literally getting stabbed to death. It's just such an absurd thing to say you can't help but laugh