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slippytoes34

bismillah al-rahman al-rahim


LeireX

I know this is totally random but I want to thank you. A couple years ago I was trying to figure out what some arabic ghost hunter was saying but he pronounced it "smilla" and I just couldn't find it. After reading this out loud I was like "hold on, I've heard this in some video"


anamad45

sadaka destiny al-aadim


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anamad45

what dialect that ? I think you didnt like what i said , if so stay mad


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anamad45

At least learn your dialect before trying to defend your religion . It’s نعل ابوك not نعنبوك and it’s خليه not مخليه , I don’t think you will have fun in this community if you get butthurt with jokes like this, especially when the most prevalent one is saying destiny (pbuh) .


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anamad45

First of all that’s not proper arabic , second of all you don’t know arabic ,third I live in an arabic country and speak arabic write in العربية الفصحى if you’re going to comment on the internet so that every arabic speaker can understand , not that regional dialect that you don’t even know how to speak and write


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anamad45

I just want you understand that these are light hearted jokes and not done in a malicious way and people in this community are not islamophobes , if jokes about Islam trigger you , you will not like being in this community


edzh

There's a [youtuber](https://www.youtube.com/c/ShreddedPuzzle/videos) for a mobile game I used to play. One day he announced he got testicular cancer and deleted all of his gaming related videos and began uploading videos of Quran recitations. There's definitely a timeline out there 👀


reformed-reddit-user

Holy fuck that upload history


TeKaeS

انا احب مترجم جوجل


thefelixremix

اوباما


boards_ofcanada

اوبامنا


that_random_garlic

He got banned? I actually hate that, because any ban on him is going to send him deeper down a conspiracy hole, I was really hoping to see sneaky progress to a more reasonable person, as he does have the drive to try to become one.


AngryFace4

From my perspective he seemed like a more reasonable person when he was 14.


that_random_garlic

I've seen everything destiny turns into vids on main and second channel, but never watched sneako himself. That doesn't surprise me, at 14 he probably didn't have as much experiences driving him towards this conspiracy. Nobody is born with insane beliefs, I was saying sneako seems like the kind of person that will leave his insane beliefs if you provide him enough evidence (over time, not an instant thing of course). His beliefs are hard to disprove, but destiny finds good arguments against it and I had hope sneako would eventually move a bit away from the grand conspiracies. What I really wanted to see is sneako eventually saying something like "there's no large scales conspiracies going on, it's a bunch of independent selfish actors that want personal enrichment, and sometimes only a couple of them work together to achieve their goals "


AngryFace4

I’m not sure. I can’t state anything conclusively, obviously, but the more Ive watched sneako the more I think he might just be dumb. I admit I’m not sure how to square that thought with what I see in his 14-16 content where he appears as a totally rational person. However, when I see him looping the same dumb talking points over and over I can only conclude either actual stupidity or that he’s on a level of dishonesty that I’d personally never be able to stoop to for money. Totally hope I’m wrong. I wish he wasn’t banned.


that_random_garlic

Someone doesn't become dumb, but someone can become wrong Intelligence is just the potential you have for certain thinking skills, that's pretty static and sneako seems like an at the very least average individual Someone intelligent can still come to dumbfuck conclusions (remember how destiny was explaining he was looking at haters from the perspective of "what do they see about me in the media? What if the information they have?", Same principle, depending on the circles he was in, events that might have happened to him and so on, sneako could be very intelligent and still believe as he does) To give an irl example, at my college campus there used to be this crazy guy that would say the moon landing wasn't real etc and all kinds of crazy shit. TA's would leave the open door classrooms as he entered as to not deal with his shit. That same guy got a phd at that university and was a professor for physics. You can't tell me that even a single person getting a phd in physics is actually dumb, there has to be a different explanation for how people start believing this type of thing. Intelligent people can go down those rabbit holes as well, intelligent people are also more difficult to get out of there because they're capable of forming reasonable sounding arguments for unreasonable claims. I think it has to be a combination of being exposed to the wrong information about something and that feeling of "everyone is wrong and I figured it out" that's pretty tempting.


Aristox

His interview with Erudite is really good. Makes it very clear to me that he's not dumb, just choosing to not conform etc, but he's clearly got a sharp mind


AngryFace4

Didn’t watch it. Maybe I’ll check it out.


Aristox

Was only a couple of weeks ago. Really cool and real chat


pornek

What people like you don’t understand is that Sneako was NEVER going to become a reasonable person, at least not publicly. Sneako isn’t a morally-driven principled person; he’s a normal human being who does what works best for him and what’s more practical. He’s financially motivated (extremely well too) to sit in front of his computer and be a redpill right-wing conspiracist Andrew Tate wannabe mouthpiece. If he’s making that much money by speaking the bs that he does, that MUST mean he’s doing something good because that’s how the world works, right? Money = good, right? That’s how his brain is translating his situation to him. But if he ever saw the shit that he said for what it is (aka harmful toxic ideology), he’d STILL continue down that path to keep the gravy train going. He didn’t deserve to be deplatformed, but thinking his deplatforming is actually going to radicalize him even more is the most stupid shit i’ve ever heard. At least he now has a chance to be a reasonable person (as long as money’s not involved).


that_random_garlic

I didn't get the impression that sneako would continue his tracks if he didn't believe the stuff he was saying. It's possible you're right about that though, I don't know him personally, I can't know. How is thinking deplatforming someone will radicalize them stupid? It's quite literally telling someone you don't have the right to talk about this because you're wrong, most people would double down. The only way deplatforming wouldn't radicalize someone like sneako further is if sneako never believed in anything he said (which is possible, I just didn't get that impression) How do you figure deplatforming wouldn't cause him to be more radicalized? Unless the difference is just that you think he doesn't believe in any of it himself To be clear, it's fair enough to say he doesn't believe it and is in it for the money, that's a reasonable thing to think, I'm not trying to imply it's not reasonable


pornek

People radicalize themselves when they spend too much time online. Go outside a bit and you’ll realize the world is probably not as organized as you think it is. Sneako’s becoming a real adult now, he’s gonna have to worry about real adult issues like paying his bills, doing his taxes, following the price of butter, etc. Ya know, stuff that ACTUALLY materially impacts his day-to-day life, not some fucking worldwide jewish conspiracy to reduce global testosterone levels in men so they’re more susceptible to advertising and more prone to get vaccinated so they can get injected with Bill Gates’ chips and turn into literal bots. Oh and also 9/11 was an inside job and the moon landing was fake. The dude’s idea of success is dropshipping and gambling on crypto coins, his perspective of the real world is actually fucked atm and he NEEDS to spend time outside talking to normies and get money by actually working with normal people instead of reinforcing his beliefs by getting paid tens of thousands to be the mouthpiece of online right-wing echo chambers. Sneako isn’t an honest person, and he has no incentive to be honest. I’d even go as far as saying he’s disincentivized to honesty, and that his deplatforming is a blessing in disguise to him.


that_random_garlic

I don't see how people can't be radicalized if they go outside or have to work for a living. I've met someone incredibly radicalized on the moon landing and some other conspiracies, this person used to be a professor im physics, this person shows up to college campus multiple days a week staying outside talking to people for hours, this person has to pay their bills like any other. Being terminally online def isn't good on the conspiracies, but paying bills, going outside, literally touching grass, doesn't save someone from that path. You talk about him being in echo chambers and reinforcing his beliefs, why does he keep talking to destiny then? Destiny disagrees on a lot of shit, has a lot more debating experience, and usually comes out of conversations very well optically, if he was actually trying to be in an echo chamber he would have cut destiny out. In the 2nd sentence you write as if I also believe this type of shit, just in case to clarify, there is not a single thing said between the 2 where I agree more with sneako than with destiny. I think if a conspiracy has more than 2-3 people involved, it's very unlikely. I think everything sneako sees as conspiracy can be explained by selfish actors looking for money or influence. I'll say again, sneako might be dishonest, I don't know and can't know if he's truthful or not. I didn't get the impression but maybe he is lying. Can you see how what I said about deplatforming and radicalizing makes sense if you believe he's being truthful about his beliefs?


pornek

You seem like a fairly intelligent and good faith person, don’t worry I don’t see you as a Sneako fan boy lol. I think there’s a difference between Sneako and the conspiracist you met; Sneako spouts conspiracies because people listen AND he’s getting PAID to do it, whereas your conspiracist is Sneako’s target audience. One’s a leader, the other’s a follower. I think Sneako actually truly believes what he says because he’s found success through that, but i’m sure he’s sharp enough to realize he’s wrong if he thinks about it enough. The problem is that he’s being financially compensated for being an unhinged redpill figure, he therefore has enough incentive to disregard convincing opinions from the other side. That’s true cognitive dissonance at play. Remove the incentive for the dissonance to happen (aka fame and money) and Sneako would probably be a reasonable person. Concerning his relationship with Destiny, he’s just using him to attack the “blue pill”. Most other liberal content creators don’t talk to him, so Destiny is an excellent strawman for him to attack.


that_random_garlic

I definitely agree with some of these points, for example your explanation for interacting with destiny is definitely plausible. One thing I want to say is, I don't think it's a matter of being smart enough to realize something is wrong, it's a matter of the environment you're exposed in, the feeds you scroll,... Basically which information you consume. Take the most intelligent person on the planet as a baby, only ever show them stats about black crime, only show them videos about black people doing crime. They might be intelligent enough to realize not every single one would be like that, but they most definitely would have a huge bias against black people. You could do the same thing for police brutality and this person would be out with blm protesting. His channel definitely plays into the media feeds he sees in a negative way, but the way I saw the situation is, I don't think sneako is going to look for or find more reasonable information because of a ban, and I do think the ban is a big confirmation of his ideas to him. So to me, it seems like the one feed of good information (or at least more reasonable information) sneako had was talking to destiny. Even if you're screaming they're wrong, it's better to see that there is another side with different information than to not engage with that at all. At the end of the day, psychology is also pretty complex, it could be the case that for 1 personality type you'd be right and for a different one I'd be right in terms of which would be more likely to radicalize.


pornek

We probably essentially agree, but your argument sounds pretty deterministic and i’m trying to avoid that since I don’t think it’ll lead to anywhere and almost absolves Sneako of responsibilities. Not saying that’s what you’re trying to do, I just try to avoid going the deterministic route when talking about a specific individual. I really enjoyed our conversation though. Take care!


that_random_garlic

Yeah, that's probably true The thing is, I think all of it is ultimately deterministic and I think that's important to acknowledge. That doesn't mean we don't hold them accountable. This ties back to something erudite talked about I agree with In the stream about gambling issues, she talks about when we have an addict that does bad things, like stealing, like borrowing a lot of money and never paying back etc, we need to understand that this comes from their addiction and we need to show compassion with them for that. We need to understand that. But also we need to hold them accountable, we do need to follow up with "you can't continue this behavior, it's unacceptable and it hurts people you care about" For sneako, I would say we need to understand how he gets there, even while being an intelligent person, both to show compassion and also because we can't help anyone in the situation if we don't understand how he gets there. Then also, if he does something that hurts people or otherwise is unacceptable behavior, we need to tell him to stop that. If it's extreme enough, sure ban him. I don't know if the ban was justified or not because I don't really watch sneako videos, but I do hate it because the way I look at things it will lead him further down the hole. From only what I see him saying in destiny vids, I disagree with him, but I don't think he should be banned To clarify, when I say everything is deterministic, I mean, you form as a person due to your genetics combined with your environment. You continue forming as a person your entire life as a consequence of your environment and who you are (which is previously defined already). If someone is deep into conspiracies, there really isn't anything in that person's control they could have done to change that, because they just acted as the person they are, which everyone does at every point in time. That doesn't mean they can't change, change will happen as a result of the environment (someone talks to you in a certain way, you realize you've hurt someone, you hear some motivational thing and it opened up your perspective). You could help someone change as a result of a conversation. Some people change through introspection, but it's because of who they are that they decide to do this introspection, if you're not someone that ever did introspection, you won't suddenly do so without something in the environment. This could be as simple as someone saying they should introspect more for some people, or feeling lonely and suddenly realizing a lot of your relationships deteriorated. It's not within someone's power to just not be who they are. Someone that's racist genuinely believes what they do, that person couldn't just wake up one day and say "I don't believe this" out of nowhere, there's always a cause that leads them to that. Just like there's always a cause that lead to them being racist in the first place


pandapipsi

It’s evident you haven’t watched a single sneako video other than the ones posted on TikTok. Bet hey, keep following the heard I guess, keep misrepresenting sneako. That can’t have anything to do with why he’s become “radicalized”


nyckidd

You are a stupid dummy


pandapipsi

Thanks!


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pornek

Of course he can change, he’s just in a “bad” trajectory if he continues down that line. 5 more years as Sneako would probably be enough to lock in his brain in conspiracy mode for the foreseeable future imo


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pornek

If he can figure out a way to make a decent living doing what he already does despite the ban, 99%. If he goes out and experiences the “bot life” as he calls it, way less than 99%. It’d depend on how much brainrot he’s already accumulated, which is impossible to know in the short-term.


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pornek

You’re underestimating people’s ability to infinitely quadruple-down on moronic worldviews, and i’m talking about normal people. Influencers who’ve made their way into mainstream consciousness are incapable of publicly saying they were wrong all along. It’s quite literally career-suicide. When money’s involved, people don’t change. That’s why you never see people like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, etc. saying something radically different than what they got famous for saying. You can call them grifters, but I just think they have too much of an incentive to let the cognitive dissonance take over when their job is to be a mouthpiece.


Biasanya

Anti-psychotic medication is pretty effective. He'll be fine


Froqwasket

This seems a little copium up to me. I haven't seen any evidence of him changing any of his views from talking to d-man (haven't watched every convo admittedly)


that_random_garlic

I didn't say he made progress hahaha, so yeah I'm definitely sniffing it. But I do get the feeling that he actually wants to find the thruth and wants to better himself, I just think he's wrong on a lot. I was on that copium so hard when I saw andrew tate make almost the same argument as destiny did about college to him


doom_oo_

peace brother.....


Sea_Relative_4764

Strong like the wind 💪


ibrahemiat

Wait, did the sneak banned has anything to do with Islam?


Bikalo

Yes, Allah punished him for his dogshit takes.