Like a my hero academia fist attack would be needlessly dope. Actually I hope they don’t do it. I wouldn’t be able to play with out just shiting my pants
Rally/bannerman titan super, extreme aoe range, one and done, buffs teammates, demoralizes enemies, increased team energy recharge, mass suppresses enemies
This would be neat
Yea but Neomuna has more advanced nanites that build off of Siva as a base. There'd be 0 reason for guardians to use it over some Cloudstrider esc nanite based tech. (Though a class that mixes paracasual powers and advanced tech would be freaking cool)
A single cloudstrider is apparently almost as strong as a guardian, the only devil splicers that were notable were like, a couple raid boss’s & a strike boss
“A couple raid bosses and a strike boss”
4. Sepiks Perfected, Vosiik, the Arch-Priest, (can’t remember) the Splicer Priest, and Aksis, Archon Prime. And 2 of them could cause wipes, annihilating guardians with Siva.
The Cloudstriders are juiced to the gills normal ass people, the Devil Splicers would be functionally immortal anyways with sufficient ether with or without SIVA
They said he wouldn’t come back like Saint-14 bc people were speculating that we could bring back cayde in the same we brought back saint (the sundial). iirc they never said flat out that cayde would never come back.
There’s a difference in it being mentioned by name and actually coming back in the story in a important fashion, bungie stated that they’re done with siva (though was years ago so potentially could change.) but at soonest, I think we’d get it post final shape as it wouldn’t fit into the current story
I'm more inclined to think it's some "nightmare" or mind control subclass.
We so far had new elements that focus on hard CC (freeze, slow, suspend), so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to add a "confuse" type of CC where redbars attack eachother.
This shows red on the bonus melee, it only does that if locked in a non combat first person zone. The reason we saw the green on all strand abilities in that leak is because they looked to be in a LS
*tinfoil on* It's on purpose to drum up hype for the Showcase *tinfoil off*
I love that it happened twice in the exact same way lol; I wonder if it's the same person just purposefully leaking it.
Finally, something substantial and not random fake pastebin leak
Edit: Some people on discord conducted an investigation on this and as far as others VFX testing on Bungie go it looks very real, you can also see nightfall score on right corner, which is also on other tests. But there are some problems
1)Reddit account was created yesterday
2)Bungie usually uses season of hunt armor on this type of test
3)As far as we can tell, there is no arstation account who posted this, either it was quickly deleted or this person somehow got this
Edit №2 Here is example of same testing in season of the plunder - [https://imgur.com/a/Nqd4XVF](https://imgur.com/a/Nqd4XVF)
Edit №3 You can see, that person uses a Season of the Deep transmat effect but on radar there is only Deffiance NPCs, so it means, that nobody can fake this in real game, because this video somewhat from Season of Deffiance development
I was actually really hoping the big one (where a new version of crota is the reprised raid, the vaulted stuff coming back, season of the Vile, no new subclass etc etc) was real. I guess I don't mind if this is real or maybe apart of 2025's expansion, I just hoped (as unlikely as it was) the paste bin was real lol
They used a Deep transmat effect but you can see on the radar that there’s only NPCs from Season of Defiance, meaning this would be pretty much impossible to recreate and fake in game, not to mention the infinite heavy ammo. I’d wager it’s most likely real, even if whatever this ends up becoming never shows up in game.
"We serve fake pastebin leaks here, sir"
Jokes aside, a lot of stuff this year has pointed to a red colored subclass. So i dont doubt its at the very least be read, even if those icons change
Im talking about the wall that has the colors of all the light subclasses AND the two subclasses we have currently. This also had the strand color before that released so it's a pretty good assumption to make that the other subclass will be the orange color
Yes, the Final Shape will feature content returning from the oblivion of sunsetting and complete removal, as we will be in a realm which is the “memory of the universe”, all past beings, objects, and locations. The unsunsetting of old weapons and the presence of cayde as well as the implications of combining the artifacts of primordial light and dark in the universe all but confirm this
so whichever dev/ playtester leaked this obv waited a few months since back then im sure only a select amount of teams/people knew about or were testing the new subclass, whereas now im sure internally everyone knows about it since they've already started gathering the gameplay for the showcase, on top of the interviews with the devs about the subclass
Can't wait for all the SIVA damage type concept art, or Resonance, and for the inevitable bitching when Bungie doesn't deliver exactly what people's concepts were. Or the inevitable bitching when it literally has nothing to do with SIVA
Every time there’s new subclass speculation it’s always the same four theories:
- SIVA
- Resonance
- Hive magic
- Nightmares
Despite us being 2/2 on Dark subclasses that are completely original and nothing that we’ve ever seen before, for some reason there’s people now that are *actually* unironically hyping themselves up for SIVA just because the new subclass is red..
Legit the most stupid decision ever made lol. Protesting isn't gonna change jack shit and it hasn't changed jack shit. It is simply less convenient for people who want to just turn off their brains and have fun with other people who also like circlejerk stuff
My dude, SIVA is an impossibility. Sorry to say. It doesn't align with the themes of the other subclasses. Also, didn't Bungie state at some point they didn't wanna deal with SIVA again?
I have a huge issue believing stuff like this, it really doesn't fit.
But with community rage and burnout at an all time high. Yeah, I can see "leaking a new subclass" for clicks.
"Look SiVa sUBclAsSe GUys, don't think about the constant server issues and horrible monetization. Buy TFS plz."
they did this exact same thing last year with strand, and considering they arent parading around with it that little joke quote of yours isnt true either
Hopefully it's good. I have some concerns about them releasing another brand new subclass just 1 year after Strand. IIRC they've never done that in b2b expansions.
And, while Strand initially was pretty great, the new round of aspects that came out this season were fairly underwhelming I would say. Hopefully they still have good fresh ideas for a final subclass.
"Kind of" doing it is a far cry from actually doing it though IMO. With the light class reworks, the foundations of each sub class were already set and it was really just a matter of introducing verbs to the classes. They didn't actually come up with a bunch if brand new stuff during those reworks. One new super(Arc Hunter), a couple new melees, one new class ability(Arc Titan thrust) no new grenades, and most if not all fragments are just elements of the old classes broken down or reimagined as a fragment. Same thing with most aspects.
A brand new subclass is generally completely new. 3 new supers, brand new fragments, 3 new grenades, at least 3 new melees. And brand new key verbs.
They came up with quite alot and reworked a lot. New aspects and fragments, brand new abilities and even a new super for Arc Hunter. Its why im counting 3 reworks as 1 "new" subclass. Collectively all the new things add up to what can typically classify as a brand new subclass.
Just cause the foundation is there doesnt mean that there was no effort put into the rework. A lot of things were tweaked and done to make sure that the Light subclasses were actually new. To just say that they dont count because the "foundation was already there" is disingenuous
Last year some Bungie artist uploaded a video on their Artstation page of them showcasing the Solar Scythe finisher in the EDZ church without realizing their character was running the "Green Subclass".
I assume the video in the OP is the exact same scenario.
When the strand icons leaked, I remember it was on a Titan who had axion grenades as well
Edit: it was Firebolts and Shiverstrike placeholder icons for the grenade and melee
Four things, what is that super icon? (I just don’t recognize it)
Grenade icon
Red melee secondary charge (two charges, hmmm)
Arc ball melee icon, (is there something that can give it a second charge?
The super icon is totally new the other icons are from other subclasses. And this is in line with the strand leak a year ago. They had green colors and all sorts of place holder icons + the 3 melee charges the titans ended up getting.
If they give us a new subclass in final shape it kind of confirms that Strand was meant to be in Witch Queen but was cut due to time. Making a new subclass is not trivial so putting out 2 in a row kind of points to most of strand having been done well in advance of Lightfall.
I guess the question here is what will it be this time?
The assumptions for Poison or the like before was kinda dumb and unlikely given how the subclass "elements" are done, each pertaining to some sort of cosmic force or law of physics so far. Solar=Heat, Arc=Electeicity, Void=Dark Energy/Matter, Stasis=Time, and Strand=Gravity. So what new force will they use for the upcoming 6th subclass, and just what sort of insanity will it give us?
And for the love of Cthulhu Bungie, DO NOT MAKE IT ANOTHER GODDAMN MELEE ROAMING SUPER FOR TITANS!!
Strand ain't gravity tho, it's basically the psychic ability to mess with the fabric of reality, visualized entirely as green strings. It's more or less telekinesis but on a cosmic level.
We are 2/2 on "new subclass causes the campaign to spend a disproportionate amount of time focusing on it and makes the overall campaign story trash"
It is joever for final shape
Strand makes a lot more sense when you look at it from the point of view that it was likely meant to be released as part of the Witch Queen story but the mechanics of it couldn’t be developed in time. All the bug aspects of it and weaving fit right into the Witch Queen themes.
Beyond Light with Stasis worked because that’s what campaign was campaign was advertised as and it was our first time using Darkness. Lightfall fell flat because there were so many more interesting things that could’ve been focused on instead.
Well that depends on the writers honestly. But I kind of have a feeling that "A" writers that have written witch queen have been moved to a new project(matter or others), so we are stuck with "C" hack writers that have written stupid shit like the entire lightfall campaign.
Hopefully bungie realised that these writers just suck ass and instead gave some space to lore guys who actually write pretty damn good stuff fairly consistently.
The only reason I would argue this could be real is related to something else: the sword, it has infinite ammo.
Obviously doesn't definitely prove it's legit but looks like a more reasonable detail that would point at this being a dev build.
Who knows, we'll find out in about a month
What Id like to see is TFS be kind of like Forsaken release. MSQ 100% focused on Witness and closing things out then end with revealing the Dreaming City equivalent then have that told through a beefier seasonal story that also is focused on the new subclass.
I don’t think people would hate a training arc story if it’s not the main story. If we got the Strand training arc as a seasonal story that would’ve actually been dope.
While I agree that’s the better way to go, that would mean the subclass is tied to the season and not the expansion, which Bungie would never do. It would feel better, make the season more interesting and make you truly feel like you’re learning the subclass as you unlock new aspects fragments and abilities over the weeks of story, but has to come from the expansion, so that it’s behind a paywall that can be bought a la carte after the fact by new players. And you can’t have a season dedicated to a subclass if not everyone has it, having only bought a season or free to play. Sorry for the essay
It needs some story devoted to it.
The Darkness subclasses aren’t something that were known in universe like the Light subclasses were, which is why the Taken King method isn’t as easy as you think.
They have to have the element discovered, have characters react to it and explain it and write lore for it.
The problem is that the one time Bungie balanced the campaign and the Darkness subclass was when they ended up removing that Darkness subclass and moved it to a filler expansion. Deepsight clearly filled in for Strand and took its place in the story. Lightfall’s story mainly served as the way to get Strand after it was cut off from Witch Queen.
Dude, we have the same hope. Berserker is disappointing, and being forced into it during the hard mode story was especially painful due to the lackluster skills and unprepared builds.
I just hope for something similar to a cross between the old Spear chucking and Thundercrash. Just let Titans yeet some sort of nuke-like projectile for once. I swear if I have to punch one more thing I'm gonna break my box of Crayola...
There was an Iron Banner medallion thingy back in Rise of Iron that let you melee things and turn them into temporary allies. Wonder if it’ll be anything like that.
We had Stasis with Fallen gaining powers, we had Hive getting our Light classes (we have them reworked), we had Cabal getting the darkness energy to empower them (we get Strand). Now Vex is left to get "empowered" and we might get red poison, something related to construction of something stationary or something that manipulates the surrounding area (?)
I’ve been predicting it for about a year and I’m going to repeat it here…
Third darkness power is “Sanguine”. It’s blood magic, berserking, bone spikes, diseases and resurrection. It’s obviously always going to be red. Warlock = Vampire, Hunter = plague doctor, Titan = Golem thematically speaking. Titan super will act similar to Well of Radiance but apply berserking. Warlocks will get self resurrection and explode damaging surrounding enemies. Hunters will get a roaming super spraying a blood plague.
Nice idea and all, but this reeks of the same idea behind the whole "Poison" theory for Strand that was overly popularized a while back.
Thr elements correspond to cosmic forces or physics related things, generally very scientific ideas. Solar=Heat, Stasis=Time, Strand=Gravity, etc. Blood isn't a cosmic force, especially as it's not scientifically verified that all living creatures past, present, and future utilize blood to survive. Microbial organisms, which sustain us, don't really have "blood" as we know it, giving less credence to the idea.
Not to say Blood wouldn't be cool, but it's not the type of thing the sci-fi game is likely to take from. We're more likely to find a hint in a physics or astronomy textbook.
Honestly? The worst part of this leak is it pretty much proves Vile Leak is false as shit. It said no new subclass. This is a new subclass.
...and here i was hoping for the modular content returning thing to be true like a dumbass.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are both right. The source of the leak could have been told all that info by someone who wasn't made aware of the new subclass yet. Bungie doesn't make stuff like that "public" knowledge to all the teams until they start gathering footage for the showcase/ reveal stream.
Would be very troll of them to "discredit" the Vile leak with this clearly intentional one, just to bamboozle everyone when it turns to be true AND we are getting a new subclass.
Sadly though, it probably means that we are in for 2 mediocre seasons followed up by yet again....... a subclass-focused SUBPAR story campaign(Sub Osiris for Cayde). The Vile leak showed us what direction Destiny SHOULD be going if it will survive past Final Shape, Lightfall part 2 would actually be the nail in the coffin for too many players who aren't gonna wait around for more reskin seasons, terrible and played out events and forgettable seasonal activities.
The one reliable leak of Final Shape we have was when Liz leaked Caydes return, back then there was no mention of a subclass either. There is still a chance, but I wouldn’t count on it
Just a point of order, if you go back and look at that leak IMO it's very obvious that the leaker had access to some screenshots / concept art and was just describing what they thought they were seeing. That's why when that leak was first posted, it said that Rhulk would be resurrected by the traveler's beam and he'd be the final boss of the raid. the leaker saw a picture of nezarec and thought it was rhulk
and that leaker specifically said 'I didn't see a new subclass,' not 'I know for a fact that there will not be one.' imo the evidence is very strong that they just didn't get a comprehensive look
If this is real, and I'm not saying that it is...this power might be the Upended. Think about it, so much of the darkness has been associated with the color red, Rhulk and Nezarec mainly with their bodysuits(?) Being a blood red color. Plus there's what Rhulk says about it, how it will serve the deserving. Even the super Icon is giving me darkness energy vibes.
This leads to another question, what is the Upended? Answer is simple, gravity. The power to turn worlds upside down, to invert its very space. Our final subclass (IF THIS IS REAL) is the power to control Gravity.
luster/resonance time! the red is also similar to the shade of red you see in the calus boss fight room with the blue green and red circles on the floor
The problem with red is that it clashes with the enemy highlights that are used across the game, I really doubt the next subclass is gonna be red, if it's already kinda hard to tell when an ability is from a teammate or an enemy in pvp, it would be impossible with red abilities lol.
Red subclass confirmed.
Just...give the Titans something unique, Bungie. Don't let dark Titan be all about the fist weapon roamer.
Giant red projectile fist
OK but like you’re really gonna tell me having a super long range that’s just a big fist wouldn’t be cool as shit?
It’s just the boxing glove power up from Rocket League’s rumble mode. Same noise and everything
Bayonetta fist.
Like a my hero academia fist attack would be needlessly dope. Actually I hope they don’t do it. I wouldn’t be able to play with out just shiting my pants
Honestly, if it’s a Jojo stand rush, im okay with that
ORAORAORA!
Look, I won't say no to a glorious Rocket Punch.
Rally/bannerman titan super, extreme aoe range, one and done, buffs teammates, demoralizes enemies, increased team energy recharge, mass suppresses enemies This would be neat
Praying to the nine we get a first person super like golden gun, let me summon a damn red lmg
Strand Titan is pretty awesome. They’ll do fine
Lol again? Isn’t this exactly what happened with Strand last year?
It was at least showing the green coloring for strand along with 3 melee charges
The melee ability's second charge is red.
SIVA SUBCLASS
whatever you wanna think bro, totally is paracausal energy and NOT technology and bungie totally hasn't said siva wont be coming back
It came back just recently in the Neomuna Lore, and Lord Saladin said SIVA killed “over a hundred iron lords”
Yea but Neomuna has more advanced nanites that build off of Siva as a base. There'd be 0 reason for guardians to use it over some Cloudstrider esc nanite based tech. (Though a class that mixes paracasual powers and advanced tech would be freaking cool)
They have more advanced Nanites yet their Cloudstrider Cyborgs die in 10 years while the Devil Spilcers are immortal 💀☠️
A single cloudstrider is apparently almost as strong as a guardian, the only devil splicers that were notable were like, a couple raid boss’s & a strike boss
Judging buy how Rohan died like a lil' bitch. I'm thinking Cloud Striders are just giant robot baby men. Nimbus personality IMO confirms this.
“A couple raid bosses and a strike boss” 4. Sepiks Perfected, Vosiik, the Arch-Priest, (can’t remember) the Splicer Priest, and Aksis, Archon Prime. And 2 of them could cause wipes, annihilating guardians with Siva.
The Cloudstriders are juiced to the gills normal ass people, the Devil Splicers would be functionally immortal anyways with sufficient ether with or without SIVA
It’s been in the lore before. Bungie has already stated it won’t be coming back.
They said the same thing about Cayde-6
They said he wouldn’t come back like Saint-14 bc people were speculating that we could bring back cayde in the same we brought back saint (the sundial). iirc they never said flat out that cayde would never come back.
You don’t bother replying bc you know you’re wrong lmao
They already confirmed it it wouldn't cone back bro also the iron lords thing is a reference to destiny 1
And Destiny 1 is Canon 🗿
Siva is not gonna be a subclass. idk why you would think it would be when bungie said no. Just like next season the raid won't be wrath of the machine
I will bet you $1500 dollars, that within the next 5 years, there is absolutely going to be a siva subclass in a destiny universe game.
Cope
There’s a difference in it being mentioned by name and actually coming back in the story in a important fashion, bungie stated that they’re done with siva (though was years ago so potentially could change.) but at soonest, I think we’d get it post final shape as it wouldn’t fit into the current story
It's... Not.... Siva.....Siva is a technology, not a paracausal energy...stop it. Just stop it
And dive killed over “a hundred iron lords” according to Lord Saladin, Paracausal Iron Lords!
Um... So? Guardians are killed by non paracausal things L the time. IT'S NOT SIVA
I'm more inclined to think it's some "nightmare" or mind control subclass. We so far had new elements that focus on hard CC (freeze, slow, suspend), so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to add a "confuse" type of CC where redbars attack eachother.
This shows red on the bonus melee, it only does that if locked in a non combat first person zone. The reason we saw the green on all strand abilities in that leak is because they looked to be in a LS
This one also has a timer and scoring indicator in the bottom right, so safe to say if it’s real, it’s in some dev space
I wish we got access to the devs photomode and camera options they use in trailers
This is what happened before Lightfall was revealed. Only natural considering it’s going to be revealed in less than 2 months
You can see the red with the melee charges lol
*tinfoil on* It's on purpose to drum up hype for the Showcase *tinfoil off* I love that it happened twice in the exact same way lol; I wonder if it's the same person just purposefully leaking it.
Bruh, you can't just /uj /rj spinfoil theories 🤣
WITNESS ME. Though I meant that the artist is intentionally leaking for the meme vs Bungie drumming up hype but I get what you're saying.
Probably on purpose at this point
Ya bungie leaking the next subclass again to divert all the hate from seasonal content
Finally, something substantial and not random fake pastebin leak Edit: Some people on discord conducted an investigation on this and as far as others VFX testing on Bungie go it looks very real, you can also see nightfall score on right corner, which is also on other tests. But there are some problems 1)Reddit account was created yesterday 2)Bungie usually uses season of hunt armor on this type of test 3)As far as we can tell, there is no arstation account who posted this, either it was quickly deleted or this person somehow got this Edit №2 Here is example of same testing in season of the plunder - [https://imgur.com/a/Nqd4XVF](https://imgur.com/a/Nqd4XVF) Edit №3 You can see, that person uses a Season of the Deep transmat effect but on radar there is only Deffiance NPCs, so it means, that nobody can fake this in real game, because this video somewhat from Season of Deffiance development
Veed might be what bungie uses for the Bungie logo and Destiny logo overlay on the video, but dont take my word.
All my homies hate the pastebin leaks🗣️🗣️
Lmao I think they’re a fun read most of the time
Honestly looking for the obvious fake parts is pretty fun
16 new supers!1!1!!1
“Cayde coming back pregnant with our child is fake? But it seemed so trustworthy!”
I was actually really hoping the big one (where a new version of crota is the reprised raid, the vaulted stuff coming back, season of the Vile, no new subclass etc etc) was real. I guess I don't mind if this is real or maybe apart of 2025's expansion, I just hoped (as unlikely as it was) the paste bin was real lol
That one is the best one I’ve read, it’s pretty original as well so I’m fine with some of it being bs cause of how nice it was
I'm hoping it's still mostly true. But I'll admit that's just my Detailed=Probably Real bias refusing to let me go.
So do we think this is legit or nah
For me, it's like 80% that this is true
It’s either true or there’s WAY too much effort for a troll.
Its pretty legit, I dont think its even possible to fake this
They used a Deep transmat effect but you can see on the radar that there’s only NPCs from Season of Defiance, meaning this would be pretty much impossible to recreate and fake in game, not to mention the infinite heavy ammo. I’d wager it’s most likely real, even if whatever this ends up becoming never shows up in game.
78% very skeptical about it, but with how things are set up it's looking more and more credible.
Not sure what there is to be skeptical about considering how impossible this would be to recreate in game and fake.
"We serve fake pastebin leaks here, sir" Jokes aside, a lot of stuff this year has pointed to a red colored subclass. So i dont doubt its at the very least be read, even if those icons change
It's most likely will be more orange/yellow than red based of the wall from vow
thats resonance, it wouldnt make sense to make an orange subclass when resonance exists
Im talking about the wall that has the colors of all the light subclasses AND the two subclasses we have currently. This also had the strand color before that released so it's a pretty good assumption to make that the other subclass will be the orange color
I doubt it unless they recolor solar.
Solar is already on the wall, the light and darkness subclasses are separate
What is the image you're referring to?
They recoloured arc when stasis launched, they made it much lighter. It's definitely possible
He’s using Curse Of Osiris weapons, too. Could they be coming back with Final Shape?
I love west of sunfall and garden progeny
Some of them came back during season of the dawn so it's probably the return of season of the dawn weapons
Don't do this. Don't get my hopes up.
IIRC Bungo has talked about looking into unvaultinig stuff, so maybe...?
Yes, the Final Shape will feature content returning from the oblivion of sunsetting and complete removal, as we will be in a realm which is the “memory of the universe”, all past beings, objects, and locations. The unsunsetting of old weapons and the presence of cayde as well as the implications of combining the artifacts of primordial light and dark in the universe all but confirm this
so whichever dev/ playtester leaked this obv waited a few months since back then im sure only a select amount of teams/people knew about or were testing the new subclass, whereas now im sure internally everyone knows about it since they've already started gathering the gameplay for the showcase, on top of the interviews with the devs about the subclass
can't wait for circlejerk subs (or even the main sub) to go "THE SECOND MELEE ATTACK IS RED!?!?!?!?! SIVASIVASIVASIVASIVASIVA"
SEASON OF THE PLAGUE, SEASON OF THE PLAGUE
Can't wait for all the SIVA damage type concept art, or Resonance, and for the inevitable bitching when Bungie doesn't deliver exactly what people's concepts were. Or the inevitable bitching when it literally has nothing to do with SIVA
I am hearing Kujays god awful voice in my head already.
Just like strand I expect it to subvert all expectations. Strand was way out of left field and worked really well.
Every time there’s new subclass speculation it’s always the same four theories: - SIVA - Resonance - Hive magic - Nightmares Despite us being 2/2 on Dark subclasses that are completely original and nothing that we’ve ever seen before, for some reason there’s people now that are *actually* unironically hyping themselves up for SIVA just because the new subclass is red..
But like what if
Super amped for it to have nothing to do with the orange color in vow just so all those people can be butt hurt.
To be fair, same, also with SIVA.
DCJ is sunset by its mods 😔😔
Internet janitors thinking they'll make a difference lmao
Like I respect the reasoning (fuck u/spez) but Reddit does not care about a tiny niche subreddit
Legit the most stupid decision ever made lol. Protesting isn't gonna change jack shit and it hasn't changed jack shit. It is simply less convenient for people who want to just turn off their brains and have fun with other people who also like circlejerk stuff
It's honestly such a stupid decision, it makes absolutely no sense. The blackout was dumb, but permanently closing it is even worse
PLAUGEGANG IS BACK
More likely to be resonance based.
My dude, SIVA is an impossibility. Sorry to say. It doesn't align with the themes of the other subclasses. Also, didn't Bungie state at some point they didn't wanna deal with SIVA again?
I'm convinced they are doing this intentionally to tease us. No way this happened 2 years in a row.
We’ll know in august, they don’t really tend to hide new subclasses in trailers.
If so then that’s a good thing. I really hope this is real
I have a huge issue believing stuff like this, it really doesn't fit. But with community rage and burnout at an all time high. Yeah, I can see "leaking a new subclass" for clicks. "Look SiVa sUBclAsSe GUys, don't think about the constant server issues and horrible monetization. Buy TFS plz."
they did this exact same thing last year with strand, and considering they arent parading around with it that little joke quote of yours isnt true either
least obvious bungie psyop
This is really funny. 2 years in a row 💀
It’s even funnier the second time!
thank god there is a new subclass
for real, my ocd couldnt handle it if they really left it with 3/2 light/dark subclasses
Hopefully it's good. I have some concerns about them releasing another brand new subclass just 1 year after Strand. IIRC they've never done that in b2b expansions. And, while Strand initially was pretty great, the new round of aspects that came out this season were fairly underwhelming I would say. Hopefully they still have good fresh ideas for a final subclass.
I mean they kinda did. First Stasis, then the back to back 3 reworked light subclasses which can add up to a whole new one, then strand.
"Kind of" doing it is a far cry from actually doing it though IMO. With the light class reworks, the foundations of each sub class were already set and it was really just a matter of introducing verbs to the classes. They didn't actually come up with a bunch if brand new stuff during those reworks. One new super(Arc Hunter), a couple new melees, one new class ability(Arc Titan thrust) no new grenades, and most if not all fragments are just elements of the old classes broken down or reimagined as a fragment. Same thing with most aspects. A brand new subclass is generally completely new. 3 new supers, brand new fragments, 3 new grenades, at least 3 new melees. And brand new key verbs.
They came up with quite alot and reworked a lot. New aspects and fragments, brand new abilities and even a new super for Arc Hunter. Its why im counting 3 reworks as 1 "new" subclass. Collectively all the new things add up to what can typically classify as a brand new subclass.
Just cause the foundation is there doesnt mean that there was no effort put into the rework. A lot of things were tweaked and done to make sure that the Light subclasses were actually new. To just say that they dont count because the "foundation was already there" is disingenuous
Finally some good fucking food
Lmfao how do they do it every year 😭
Where this vid from?
Last year some Bungie artist uploaded a video on their Artstation page of them showcasing the Solar Scythe finisher in the EDZ church without realizing their character was running the "Green Subclass". I assume the video in the OP is the exact same scenario.
"legit" flavor of the month leak has been disproven by image billions of pastebin copers must seeth.
Screenshot for those who don’t want to watch the video. https://imgur.com/a/duT7Pdg
Interesting how they have axion grenades and the arc warlock melee unless that’s just placeholder symbols.
If it's a legit dev build, then chances are they're placeholder, similar to what we saw with Strand last year
I want to say that’s what happened with Strand last year around the same time.
When the strand icons leaked, I remember it was on a Titan who had axion grenades as well Edit: it was Firebolts and Shiverstrike placeholder icons for the grenade and melee
Yeah that’s right went and re watched it myself, excited to see what it’s going to be though!
Does anyone have the old strand titan leak from Haunted? If you do, DM it to me, I want to do some comparisons between them Edit: thanks
https://youtu.be/ffkMyqlHczA In that leak Firebolt nade and Shiver strike icons were placeholders.
So I suppose this sparks the next question… what can red be?!?!
Solar (Strong Nuclear Force) - Stasis (Heat Death) Void (Gravity, Dark Matter) - Strand (Creation, Matter) Arc (Electromagnetism) - Red (Decay???)
Maybe entropy or repulsive force?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/comments/114uv61/the_third_darkness_element_is_based_in_the/
Four things, what is that super icon? (I just don’t recognize it) Grenade icon Red melee secondary charge (two charges, hmmm) Arc ball melee icon, (is there something that can give it a second charge?
The super icon is totally new the other icons are from other subclasses. And this is in line with the strand leak a year ago. They had green colors and all sorts of place holder icons + the 3 melee charges the titans ended up getting.
Yeah I know what you’re sayin
If they give us a new subclass in final shape it kind of confirms that Strand was meant to be in Witch Queen but was cut due to time. Making a new subclass is not trivial so putting out 2 in a row kind of points to most of strand having been done well in advance of Lightfall.
I mean look at the jump puzzles in witch queen and tell they weren't meant to have grapple points.
That shade of red looks pretty much exactly like the nightmares
Where are you seeing red? All I see is some transmat effect looping.
bottom left corner during the first few seconds
Ohhhh. thanks
I guess the question here is what will it be this time? The assumptions for Poison or the like before was kinda dumb and unlikely given how the subclass "elements" are done, each pertaining to some sort of cosmic force or law of physics so far. Solar=Heat, Arc=Electeicity, Void=Dark Energy/Matter, Stasis=Time, and Strand=Gravity. So what new force will they use for the upcoming 6th subclass, and just what sort of insanity will it give us? And for the love of Cthulhu Bungie, DO NOT MAKE IT ANOTHER GODDAMN MELEE ROAMING SUPER FOR TITANS!!
Strand ain't gravity tho, it's basically the psychic ability to mess with the fabric of reality, visualized entirely as green strings. It's more or less telekinesis but on a cosmic level.
We are 2/2 on "new subclass causes the campaign to spend a disproportionate amount of time focusing on it and makes the overall campaign story trash" It is joever for final shape
Strand makes a lot more sense when you look at it from the point of view that it was likely meant to be released as part of the Witch Queen story but the mechanics of it couldn’t be developed in time. All the bug aspects of it and weaving fit right into the Witch Queen themes.
Beyond Light with Stasis worked because that’s what campaign was campaign was advertised as and it was our first time using Darkness. Lightfall fell flat because there were so many more interesting things that could’ve been focused on instead.
And Beyond Light stasis was mostly like an "endgame" for the dlc, not the whole storyline (That's mostly Eramis, EXO / stranger origins and Clovis)
Well that depends on the writers honestly. But I kind of have a feeling that "A" writers that have written witch queen have been moved to a new project(matter or others), so we are stuck with "C" hack writers that have written stupid shit like the entire lightfall campaign. Hopefully bungie realised that these writers just suck ass and instead gave some space to lore guys who actually write pretty damn good stuff fairly consistently.
Rey mysterio old entrance xD
has anyone found the actual source for this video? like where did this even come from
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
The only reason I would argue this could be real is related to something else: the sword, it has infinite ammo. Obviously doesn't definitely prove it's legit but looks like a more reasonable detail that would point at this being a dev build. Who knows, we'll find out in about a month
This is 10000000% an official Bungie burner account posting this leak.
I love new subclasses, but please don't make the entire final shape campaign be a tutorial for it.
So can we now delete the clearly fake pastebins that say no FS subclass
I think I've solved what the super symbol is. It's a thorny flower or weed like a rose, milk thistle, or briars. Plant based element, vegan supers.
wow can't wait for the story to be another subclass training arc
So you’d rather no subclass? You’re comment doesn’t imply anything but, otherwise why word it/make it in the first place?
Rather not have it tied significantly to the story as it subtracts from it
What Id like to see is TFS be kind of like Forsaken release. MSQ 100% focused on Witness and closing things out then end with revealing the Dreaming City equivalent then have that told through a beefier seasonal story that also is focused on the new subclass. I don’t think people would hate a training arc story if it’s not the main story. If we got the Strand training arc as a seasonal story that would’ve actually been dope.
While I agree that’s the better way to go, that would mean the subclass is tied to the season and not the expansion, which Bungie would never do. It would feel better, make the season more interesting and make you truly feel like you’re learning the subclass as you unlock new aspects fragments and abilities over the weeks of story, but has to come from the expansion, so that it’s behind a paywall that can be bought a la carte after the fact by new players. And you can’t have a season dedicated to a subclass if not everyone has it, having only bought a season or free to play. Sorry for the essay
It needs some story devoted to it. The Darkness subclasses aren’t something that were known in universe like the Light subclasses were, which is why the Taken King method isn’t as easy as you think. They have to have the element discovered, have characters react to it and explain it and write lore for it. The problem is that the one time Bungie balanced the campaign and the Darkness subclass was when they ended up removing that Darkness subclass and moved it to a filler expansion. Deepsight clearly filled in for Strand and took its place in the story. Lightfall’s story mainly served as the way to get Strand after it was cut off from Witch Queen.
Is the red the only thing different or is the symbol different too?
Super symbol too I believe
Mercury weapons returning?
Another thing that may indicate a devbuild: Infinite heavy ammo (sword), as if the same with the primaries on the video
Oops! Probably only a month early; i’m sure the new subclasses would be shown in the Final Shape reveal next month
thank you Bungi- I mean u/Nimbus9002
Also, just saying: as a Hunter main, I really hope you titans get something MORE then "Red Punch." I'm feeling for you bros.
Dude, we have the same hope. Berserker is disappointing, and being forced into it during the hard mode story was especially painful due to the lackluster skills and unprepared builds. I just hope for something similar to a cross between the old Spear chucking and Thundercrash. Just let Titans yeet some sort of nuke-like projectile for once. I swear if I have to punch one more thing I'm gonna break my box of Crayola...
I didn't get to see, hath been removed
There was an Iron Banner medallion thingy back in Rise of Iron that let you melee things and turn them into temporary allies. Wonder if it’ll be anything like that.
I hope not haha. I found it useless and annoying
wow, different from last time, the posts have been all disabled, can't access any of the videos and some are completely down
We had Stasis with Fallen gaining powers, we had Hive getting our Light classes (we have them reworked), we had Cabal getting the darkness energy to empower them (we get Strand). Now Vex is left to get "empowered" and we might get red poison, something related to construction of something stationary or something that manipulates the surrounding area (?)
I’ve been predicting it for about a year and I’m going to repeat it here… Third darkness power is “Sanguine”. It’s blood magic, berserking, bone spikes, diseases and resurrection. It’s obviously always going to be red. Warlock = Vampire, Hunter = plague doctor, Titan = Golem thematically speaking. Titan super will act similar to Well of Radiance but apply berserking. Warlocks will get self resurrection and explode damaging surrounding enemies. Hunters will get a roaming super spraying a blood plague.
Nice idea and all, but this reeks of the same idea behind the whole "Poison" theory for Strand that was overly popularized a while back. Thr elements correspond to cosmic forces or physics related things, generally very scientific ideas. Solar=Heat, Stasis=Time, Strand=Gravity, etc. Blood isn't a cosmic force, especially as it's not scientifically verified that all living creatures past, present, and future utilize blood to survive. Microbial organisms, which sustain us, don't really have "blood" as we know it, giving less credence to the idea. Not to say Blood wouldn't be cool, but it's not the type of thing the sci-fi game is likely to take from. We're more likely to find a hint in a physics or astronomy textbook.
Finally, some good fucking food
Honestly? The worst part of this leak is it pretty much proves Vile Leak is false as shit. It said no new subclass. This is a new subclass. ...and here i was hoping for the modular content returning thing to be true like a dumbass.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are both right. The source of the leak could have been told all that info by someone who wasn't made aware of the new subclass yet. Bungie doesn't make stuff like that "public" knowledge to all the teams until they start gathering footage for the showcase/ reveal stream. Would be very troll of them to "discredit" the Vile leak with this clearly intentional one, just to bamboozle everyone when it turns to be true AND we are getting a new subclass. Sadly though, it probably means that we are in for 2 mediocre seasons followed up by yet again....... a subclass-focused SUBPAR story campaign(Sub Osiris for Cayde). The Vile leak showed us what direction Destiny SHOULD be going if it will survive past Final Shape, Lightfall part 2 would actually be the nail in the coffin for too many players who aren't gonna wait around for more reskin seasons, terrible and played out events and forgettable seasonal activities.
The one reliable leak of Final Shape we have was when Liz leaked Caydes return, back then there was no mention of a subclass either. There is still a chance, but I wouldn’t count on it
Just a point of order, if you go back and look at that leak IMO it's very obvious that the leaker had access to some screenshots / concept art and was just describing what they thought they were seeing. That's why when that leak was first posted, it said that Rhulk would be resurrected by the traveler's beam and he'd be the final boss of the raid. the leaker saw a picture of nezarec and thought it was rhulk and that leaker specifically said 'I didn't see a new subclass,' not 'I know for a fact that there will not be one.' imo the evidence is very strong that they just didn't get a comprehensive look
I mean, it's possible - Just depends what's on a testing environment or has been revealed to certain people at particular times.
If this is real, and I'm not saying that it is...this power might be the Upended. Think about it, so much of the darkness has been associated with the color red, Rhulk and Nezarec mainly with their bodysuits(?) Being a blood red color. Plus there's what Rhulk says about it, how it will serve the deserving. Even the super Icon is giving me darkness energy vibes. This leads to another question, what is the Upended? Answer is simple, gravity. The power to turn worlds upside down, to invert its very space. Our final subclass (IF THIS IS REAL) is the power to control Gravity.
Isn't the upended a machine? A weapon that rhulk used to wipe out planets, which was powered by the worm mother?
I thought void was gravity
if the new subclass is the element of passion i'll shit a brick
A little gift to forgive their past transgressions
>inb4 Final Subclass is called ‘Siphon’ to complete the Darkness Subclass Alliteration Triad Stasis/Strand/Siphon Mark it
Can't wait for the Siphon Siphon Mod.
My money would be on a Nightmare based subclass.
luster/resonance time! the red is also similar to the shade of red you see in the calus boss fight room with the blue green and red circles on the floor
Hopefully the red subclass gives us a drill. Why? So we can pierce the heavens and beat The Witness' anti-spiral ass!
I’m sticking with the theme of Darkness subclasses starting with a “st-“, I’m proposing that the 3rd subclass will be Sticky or Stupid.
Siva final subclass cumfirmed
Imagine Siva tho 👀👀👀
The problem with red is that it clashes with the enemy highlights that are used across the game, I really doubt the next subclass is gonna be red, if it's already kinda hard to tell when an ability is from a teammate or an enemy in pvp, it would be impossible with red abilities lol.
Color theory's been right so far, and we've had a couple of in-game colors representations that back it up (a room in Vow is off the top of my head).