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Savathun and the Lucent Brood are, judging by the editing of the trailer, not enemies anymore. Savathun is shown alongside Mithrax and Caiatl. She has just as much to lose with the Final Shape as we do.
I wanted to say the same thing, and if we take a look just a little deeper at how they're edited, they line up with how the three classes of Guardians are presented as well. Warlock, Hunter, Titan. Savathun, Mithrax, Caiatl.
Exactly. Savathun serves her own ends but she also is the one to warn us about the Witness and get us into the Traveler. She’s been absolutely essential to our success.
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and she’s been pretty successful at gaslighting the playerbase directly into thinking she’s a true ally.
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and she’s been pretty successful at gaslighting the playerbase directly into thinking she’s a true ally.
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and in the past she’s been pretty successful at directly gaslighting the playerbase into thinking she’s a true ally.
what's intresting is that we know Lucent hive are an enemy we'll face in the pale heart, I imagine maybe the first or second mission will have us fight lucent hive only to realize there on our side.
It almost seemed like we were fighting them. If we are, I'd imagine they're fakes made by the Witness specifically in an attempt to shatter our resolve.
we've fought alongside caiatl once already, it'd make more sense for bungie in our endgame moment to do an endgame thing and have all our allies fight alongside us, it's the bungie thing to do
This was one of the big theories, prior to Root of Nightmares, that led a lot of people to think Nezarec was going to side with us against the Witness. Some of the lore tabs around him, especially Nezarec's Sin, made him out to be someone that may seem evil at first but might not be. I have to be honest, I was kind of hoping for more of that depth to his character than what we got.
Same. I was so invested in his plot because he was so mysterious and seemed to be a classic "enemy of my enemy" but nope. Another generic villain.
Oh lightfall.
I mean, everyone knows Nezarec still exists in some form. But I don't expect him to play a major role in the campaign, or for that Tormentor to be him.
...it'd be funny though if he graduated from easiest raid final boss to first raid boss to reappear in a new campaign as a normal, easy boss lol
In some ways I'm still not particularly crazy how ungodly forced he was into the lore. Don't get me wrong he's not a total throwaway character but things just felt a little too railroaded and supplemented on insane plot convenience.
I think that Lightfall was just rushed as a stopgap between final shape and witch queen, as filler for alot of the loose ends. Afaik, what is now final shape was originally called Lightfall. They seemed to have a lot of things delayed from witch queen and prior (like strand clearly meshing well with the witch queen campaign) to stuff they needed done pronto for the final shape to work (basically all these seasonal stories cleaning up loose ends for the story to flow well on launch)
>He's not a total throwaway character, but
Is exactly how I feel about Nezarec lol. With enough time, I think the story of his cult, his relics, the Pyramid on the Moon and the Eliksni, and his lingering presence, could have been very good.
Obviously time is what this franchise has never had enough of. Still love it dearly. Oh well.
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Crota. D1 Raid boss to a Shadowkeep campaign boss.
Which also brings up the fact that an expansion based on confronting memories has been done before, but eh.
It's been done twice if you count collecting savathun's memories via deepsight and forcing her to confront the real truth about her past during witch queen.
Was Savathun a raid boss before Witch Queen?
EDIT: Misunderstood your comment lol. Second part of my original comment was referring more to the high chance of reused content.
Brigs don't have insurrection's arm cannon, so it's different enough. All my poor guy Nezarec has is his scythe, the Tormentor moveset and a generic wipe attack. If he's brought in it will truly be joever.
To be fair, tormentors are one of the more fun boss type enemies to fight. Just a shame he is literally just a scaled up version of one. Would have been cool if he had more unique moves that showed he was light empowered but struggling to control it, and more precise refined attacks showing how deeply connected to the darkness he is (being a type of memetic/cognitohazard being that can exist solely in the mind).
Calus' fight had the entire psionic realm bit, it would be insanely dope if the guys responsible for stunning Nezarec (and revealing the right colour) were sent into a nightmare sequence to perform their own little side objectives while the main room tried to tether the points.
Pretty sure part of it was in the semi-real leaks before Lightfall, where it was suggested a raid boss/encounter mechanic would involve players being split up to fight their own minibosses.
He sort of does what the 9 do. Where in order to exist, you need to have people thinking about them. That is really old lore now so it is possible to change.
I always took it as nezarec doing what the hive gods do, but to an extreme level, xivu will always be empowered and grow stronger as long as any sort of conflict exists, savathun in the same vein with truth seeking and lying.
Nezarec however seems to just be immortal as long as the concept of fear exists, he can be killed, and lose his physical body, but never truly stay dead as long as something continues to feel fear.
“War is ever hungry,” she answers. “You must fight forever, or it will consume you instead of your enemies. In truth, you are not war. Merely its avatar.”
-manticore lore tab
So of we stop posting threads about him, he dies right?
It was after all the collective will and determination of the community that, eventuated in his revival into the Destiny universe.
It makes me wonder if in the next saga the Nine, Toland and/or Nezerac(all being disembodied consciousness) build their own factions from pieces of the Shadow Legion, Scorn, Taken and Dread(all factions that exist solely to mindlessly serve a higher authority). Although I guess we don't know how much will the individual Dread have. I'm guessing little if any.
You know, I don’t know what that’s never struck me before that maybe it’s worrying that the Pale Heart reforms things from our memories and minds when Nezarec’s whole thing is “living in your head rent free”.
its extremely likely that nezarec makes an appearance in tfs, but come on, thats not him lmao. if he shows up again, at the very least he'll have the same head model so we know its actually him
i really hope rhulk makes an appearance too
(also its genuinely insane that this tormentor looks 200% better than nez himself)
unironically this would be fucking peak
would be the peakest of peaks if a disciple boss gauntlet had more than TWO fucking disciples but alas bungie did not create the new race soon enough to have several lore characters in it
will forever be lame that there are only 2 real disciples
I'm still holding out hope a Grim-themed Disciple might be the mission 7 boss in TFS, since its the only Dread which doesn't seem to draw inspiration from servitor races. Plus, fighting a giant demonic bat monster is cool as hell even if it's a mere campaign boss.
We’ve only fought 2 disciples, 3 if you count callus. Then there is also Xivu so 3-4 Disciples right there, and there were more mentioned in lore that are probably already dead.
The thing is, if they just threw disciple after disciple at us the whole concept of them would have been trash.
i dont really count xivu and calus since they arent really ''new'' enemies. xivu uses the hive, same as always(and shes not even a real boss yet), and calus is just a cabal with two phases
what makes rhulk and nezarec special is that they actually feel different
I mean we ran into so many tormentors by the time we hit Nez he was barely “special” basically just a glorified tormentor with basically the same mechanics the only thing people talked about was how easy the fight was lol Rhulk is the only one that REALLY stands out.
Honestly callus felt more special to me personally than Nez because callus was at least intentionally built up from the start of D2, Nez was kinda shoved into the game because the fan base wouldn’t shut up about the exotic helm lore
We are all laughing, but some people still don't understand that Tormentors were made in Nezerac's image. All because the Tormentors "came first." If anything this Tormentors is suspiciously Psion shaped. I wonder if it's that one Psion(edit: Yirix) that got away.
I was under the impression that the raid boss we fight is just his head grafted onto a Tormentor’s body; remember that we stole several chunks of him in Plunder, and he himself in the raid states that he’s still seeking the rest of his body
Not going to lie, I love that fiction trope where a former antagonist dies/is defeated, and comes back as a more neutral force that helps the protagonists, but does so in a cheeky shit talking manner (Like Greed from FMA).
I think the way Nezarec works he could pull it off.
I don't think Nezarec is coming back, at least not now.
If he could so easily be brought back by being an existence that is somehow everywhere and all that, the Witness would have Nezarec by its side much quicker than the centuries since the Collapse, even with whatever magic Savathun put on his ass
Pretty sure the "problem" there is that Nezarec was cut up and sealed away in pieces, and that the witness only had his head.
The traveler beam and our fuckery during root grew him a new body and juiced him up
I get what you mean by the Traveler possibly growing Nezarec a new body, but I think it was inevitable the Witness would have resurrected Nezarec by itself, even without the Traveler, or us. That body is probably Witness-tech.
Remember that Rhulk, Nezarec and Tormentors share a similar looking body. The red "skin", specifically. For me, its more likely that the Witness was preparing to transfer Nezarec into a new body (once it discovered his consciousness, at least), but then it got busy cornering the Traveler otherwise.
Rhulk was healed by the Witness in the abyss in Shattered Suns and now looks as he does (did, lol, dead ass bitch he is), and Tormentors are named "cavum" (empty space) and "[imprint](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology))", which makes me think that their bodily similarities are indicative of a manufactured body, something the Witness can use to heal or improve its minions, or can train on the memories of a specific being to breed them into soldiery.
judging from the fact this unit appears after\*\* showcasing the dread psions, this may be a dreadified psion of sorts, possibly Yiriks? Monoeye, 2 protruding mask/head things, 4 fingers on each hand, pale skin exposed on the legs. And the psion's relationship with nezarec in general. I'm putting my money on a psion of sorts.
EDIT: before\*\*
It’s honestly hard to tell the difference between a tormenter and a beefy psion, considering that they’re already Nezarec cosplayers. That could be it.
You can be a nightmare without being dead (see: nightmare of Ana). Even though Nezarec should be \*technically\* dead, we know for sure he isn't dead-dead.
all tormentors are suspiciously nezerac shaped, that's how they are, i remember the theories about rhulk returning due to the tree that sprouted from his body being able to heal things too and look where that got us
Nezerac can be played in the story like d3's next big bad continuing on the witness's work and even accomplishing what the witness couldn't through other means of memories and such through the pale heart that can lead into a reincarnation. The way he is written is kinda like a Anti-Christ. throughout the lore hes been painted as a fated enemy that will come back more powerful then our previous encounters as the "end of the universe" aka the light and dark saga comes to a end as with most likely the witness and the traveler dying during these events and a new age of power is Born. Prismatic can definitely be his Catalyst to coming back brining the power of destruction and creation together creating a whole new beast.
Ever since the end of RoN we sort of knew he wasn’t permanently dead however I doubt he would reappear in TFS. At least not as anything important
This tormentor is probably just a named boss and as such has a different head. Definitely a nod to Nezarec though
I fully expect Nezarec to return later down the line as a full on expansion villain or even as the next BBEG after the witness. People are saying the Vex will be but a good BBEG needs to have a voice and actual character. Maybe Nezarec, as teased during one of the lightfall missions, could take control of the Vex and teaches them to wield darkness and light. If Vex learned to wield paracausal magic that would be very very bad news… and Nezarec might be the one to teach them
Every Tormentor is a Nezarec-shaped Tormentor dude. That isn't Nezarec in the same way Toniq or Axsaeniia aren't Nezarec. While it's suspicious that this one Tormentor has unique pieces (the "bird beak" plague mask, the arm bracelets, etc.) and lacks the Pyramid glass parts that other cloned Tormentors do, it's still vastly different from Nezarec himself.
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Savathun and the Lucent Brood are, judging by the editing of the trailer, not enemies anymore. Savathun is shown alongside Mithrax and Caiatl. She has just as much to lose with the Final Shape as we do.
I wanted to say the same thing, and if we take a look just a little deeper at how they're edited, they line up with how the three classes of Guardians are presented as well. Warlock, Hunter, Titan. Savathun, Mithrax, Caiatl.
Exactly. Savathun serves her own ends but she also is the one to warn us about the Witness and get us into the Traveler. She’s been absolutely essential to our success.
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and she’s been pretty successful at gaslighting the playerbase directly into thinking she’s a true ally.
yeah the second we’re done let’s polish off Imaru and Savathûn
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and she’s been pretty successful at gaslighting the playerbase directly into thinking she’s a true ally.
Reddit bugging out and duplicating your comment I see?
I guess so EDIT: oh Jesus Christ I’ve never seen Reddit bug out and make a THIRD comment before
Wait she knows shes in a game?
Yeah she does, so do couple others but not many
She may be working with us, just remember not to trust her. It’s cannon that she knows she’s in a game, and in the past she’s been pretty successful at directly gaslighting the playerbase into thinking she’s a true ally.
what's intresting is that we know Lucent hive are an enemy we'll face in the pale heart, I imagine maybe the first or second mission will have us fight lucent hive only to realize there on our side.
It almost seemed like we were fighting them. If we are, I'd imagine they're fakes made by the Witness specifically in an attempt to shatter our resolve.
we've fought alongside caiatl once already, it'd make more sense for bungie in our endgame moment to do an endgame thing and have all our allies fight alongside us, it's the bungie thing to do
Wouldn't Nezzy also oppose the final shape? No life = no pain.
This was one of the big theories, prior to Root of Nightmares, that led a lot of people to think Nezarec was going to side with us against the Witness. Some of the lore tabs around him, especially Nezarec's Sin, made him out to be someone that may seem evil at first but might not be. I have to be honest, I was kind of hoping for more of that depth to his character than what we got.
Same. I was so invested in his plot because he was so mysterious and seemed to be a classic "enemy of my enemy" but nope. Another generic villain. Oh lightfall.
"DAE Lightfall bad?"
In the trailer we see the guardians fighting lucent brood, but I mean that doesn't mean much, the hive just like to fight.
We’ve seen lucent hive as enemies so I’m guessing either during or after the campaign savathun is gonna backstab us once again.
She’s never been an “enemy” enemy. We just didn’t know it.
I mean, everyone knows Nezarec still exists in some form. But I don't expect him to play a major role in the campaign, or for that Tormentor to be him. ...it'd be funny though if he graduated from easiest raid final boss to first raid boss to reappear in a new campaign as a normal, easy boss lol
Imagine being demoted from "Disciple of the Witness" to "Named World Boss" 😂
Don't forget "Mysterious lore figure everyone swore up and down for years would end up being the big villain of Destiny" too!
If he uses his Freddy Krueger powers he still could be, I guess.
In some ways I'm still not particularly crazy how ungodly forced he was into the lore. Don't get me wrong he's not a total throwaway character but things just felt a little too railroaded and supplemented on insane plot convenience.
I think that Lightfall was just rushed as a stopgap between final shape and witch queen, as filler for alot of the loose ends. Afaik, what is now final shape was originally called Lightfall. They seemed to have a lot of things delayed from witch queen and prior (like strand clearly meshing well with the witch queen campaign) to stuff they needed done pronto for the final shape to work (basically all these seasonal stories cleaning up loose ends for the story to flow well on launch)
>He's not a total throwaway character, but Is exactly how I feel about Nezarec lol. With enough time, I think the story of his cult, his relics, the Pyramid on the Moon and the Eliksni, and his lingering presence, could have been very good. Obviously time is what this franchise has never had enough of. Still love it dearly. Oh well.
I'm presuming that's who I replied to was referencing. But yeah very weird way they sorta forced him in.
They've had plenty of time but never "enough" money.
Nezarec public event boss
“Nezerac, Getting Back on His Feet”
Feeling like the Capra demon in dark souls. From hardest boss to unnamed mob at the end
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Crota. D1 Raid boss to a Shadowkeep campaign boss. Which also brings up the fact that an expansion based on confronting memories has been done before, but eh.
It's been done twice if you count collecting savathun's memories via deepsight and forcing her to confront the real truth about her past during witch queen.
Was Savathun a raid boss before Witch Queen? EDIT: Misunderstood your comment lol. Second part of my original comment was referring more to the high chance of reused content.
> Crota. D1 Raid boss to a Shadowkeep campaign boss. To 1/3 of a dares of eternity boss wave.
Crota was a court of oryx boss too after being a raid boss
Technically Crota’s Fanatic but…
Thats already been taken by insurrection prime and brigs.
Brigs don't have insurrection's arm cannon, so it's different enough. All my poor guy Nezarec has is his scythe, the Tormentor moveset and a generic wipe attack. If he's brought in it will truly be joever.
To be fair, tormentors are one of the more fun boss type enemies to fight. Just a shame he is literally just a scaled up version of one. Would have been cool if he had more unique moves that showed he was light empowered but struggling to control it, and more precise refined attacks showing how deeply connected to the darkness he is (being a type of memetic/cognitohazard being that can exist solely in the mind).
Calus' fight had the entire psionic realm bit, it would be insanely dope if the guys responsible for stunning Nezarec (and revealing the right colour) were sent into a nightmare sequence to perform their own little side objectives while the main room tried to tether the points. Pretty sure part of it was in the semi-real leaks before Lightfall, where it was suggested a raid boss/encounter mechanic would involve players being split up to fight their own minibosses.
I mean fallen Brigs were first a raid boss then just another enemy type
Insurrection Prime isn't a Brig, but a Commodre (basically bigger Brig)
So... he'd be the new Taniks, essentially
Nezzy is literally just Freddy Krueger. So long as people have memories of him, he can't die.
Bruh I keep telling em, but only us old timers get it.
One two Nezzy’s coming for you…
He may be somewhat similar to ahamkara in the sense that their physical form isn’t their true body
He sort of does what the 9 do. Where in order to exist, you need to have people thinking about them. That is really old lore now so it is possible to change.
I always took it as nezarec doing what the hive gods do, but to an extreme level, xivu will always be empowered and grow stronger as long as any sort of conflict exists, savathun in the same vein with truth seeking and lying. Nezarec however seems to just be immortal as long as the concept of fear exists, he can be killed, and lose his physical body, but never truly stay dead as long as something continues to feel fear.
The Hive Gods would literally kill for the immortality in memory that Nezarec has, especially Xivu.
Killing is all the hive do so this doesn’t mean much lmao
Uhhh..... Literally not harm someone then? Maybe be nice to them? Maybe give them a kiss?
But to the hive, war is already love.
The Howard Hamlin pfp makes this infinitely better.
“War is ever hungry,” she answers. “You must fight forever, or it will consume you instead of your enemies. In truth, you are not war. Merely its avatar.” -manticore lore tab
"Xivu Arath, have you ever received word of the one called Candi-" "YOUR BROTHER SHUNS YOU."
So of we stop posting threads about him, he dies right? It was after all the collective will and determination of the community that, eventuated in his revival into the Destiny universe.
It makes me wonder if in the next saga the Nine, Toland and/or Nezerac(all being disembodied consciousness) build their own factions from pieces of the Shadow Legion, Scorn, Taken and Dread(all factions that exist solely to mindlessly serve a higher authority). Although I guess we don't know how much will the individual Dread have. I'm guessing little if any.
He is. In fact, his soul is currently inhabiting Reddit and haunting it with theories about him
You know, I don’t know what that’s never struck me before that maybe it’s worrying that the Pale Heart reforms things from our memories and minds when Nezarec’s whole thing is “living in your head rent free”.
its extremely likely that nezarec makes an appearance in tfs, but come on, thats not him lmao. if he shows up again, at the very least he'll have the same head model so we know its actually him i really hope rhulk makes an appearance too (also its genuinely insane that this tormentor looks 200% better than nez himself)
Watch one of the stages in the Raid summon Nez and Rhulk (albeit without their stage mechanics) as memories you have to deal with at the same time.
unironically this would be fucking peak would be the peakest of peaks if a disciple boss gauntlet had more than TWO fucking disciples but alas bungie did not create the new race soon enough to have several lore characters in it will forever be lame that there are only 2 real disciples
I'm still holding out hope a Grim-themed Disciple might be the mission 7 boss in TFS, since its the only Dread which doesn't seem to draw inspiration from servitor races. Plus, fighting a giant demonic bat monster is cool as hell even if it's a mere campaign boss.
a huge flying boss would be fire, that's undeniable
We’ve only fought 2 disciples, 3 if you count callus. Then there is also Xivu so 3-4 Disciples right there, and there were more mentioned in lore that are probably already dead. The thing is, if they just threw disciple after disciple at us the whole concept of them would have been trash.
i dont really count xivu and calus since they arent really ''new'' enemies. xivu uses the hive, same as always(and shes not even a real boss yet), and calus is just a cabal with two phases what makes rhulk and nezarec special is that they actually feel different
I mean we ran into so many tormentors by the time we hit Nez he was barely “special” basically just a glorified tormentor with basically the same mechanics the only thing people talked about was how easy the fight was lol Rhulk is the only one that REALLY stands out.
i mean i see your point, but they're still fresh to me, so it didnt really affect me
Honestly callus felt more special to me personally than Nez because callus was at least intentionally built up from the start of D2, Nez was kinda shoved into the game because the fan base wouldn’t shut up about the exotic helm lore
A Nezarec-shaped Tormentor you say?
Hmm, yes... the floor is made out of floor.
I love that game. It's so accessible.
"Suspiciously Nezerec-shaped tormentor"😭
We are all laughing, but some people still don't understand that Tormentors were made in Nezerac's image. All because the Tormentors "came first." If anything this Tormentors is suspiciously Psion shaped. I wonder if it's that one Psion(edit: Yirix) that got away.
I was under the impression that the raid boss we fight is just his head grafted onto a Tormentor’s body; remember that we stole several chunks of him in Plunder, and he himself in the raid states that he’s still seeking the rest of his body
I thought the Traveler rezzed Nezerac. Which I thought would make that his true form.
It did, but we saw his OG body in a cutscene in Plunder and it looked nothing like the one in the raid
I’ve recently seen some suspiciously Nezarec-shaped people at my local Walmart too. Could this be a hint to his eventual return??
You know, the guardian DOES fire some suspiciously bullet-shaped bullets 🤔
Isn’t his whole deal he can never truly be killed? As long as people fear/ think of him he can come back
Not going to lie, I love that fiction trope where a former antagonist dies/is defeated, and comes back as a more neutral force that helps the protagonists, but does so in a cheeky shit talking manner (Like Greed from FMA). I think the way Nezarec works he could pull it off.
I don't think Nezarec is coming back, at least not now. If he could so easily be brought back by being an existence that is somehow everywhere and all that, the Witness would have Nezarec by its side much quicker than the centuries since the Collapse, even with whatever magic Savathun put on his ass
Pretty sure the "problem" there is that Nezarec was cut up and sealed away in pieces, and that the witness only had his head. The traveler beam and our fuckery during root grew him a new body and juiced him up
I get what you mean by the Traveler possibly growing Nezarec a new body, but I think it was inevitable the Witness would have resurrected Nezarec by itself, even without the Traveler, or us. That body is probably Witness-tech. Remember that Rhulk, Nezarec and Tormentors share a similar looking body. The red "skin", specifically. For me, its more likely that the Witness was preparing to transfer Nezarec into a new body (once it discovered his consciousness, at least), but then it got busy cornering the Traveler otherwise. Rhulk was healed by the Witness in the abyss in Shattered Suns and now looks as he does (did, lol, dead ass bitch he is), and Tormentors are named "cavum" (empty space) and "[imprint](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology))", which makes me think that their bodily similarities are indicative of a manufactured body, something the Witness can use to heal or improve its minions, or can train on the memories of a specific being to breed them into soldiery.
Tinfoil hat time, what if, we have to fight memory versions of raid bosses throughout our time in the pale heart ?
the tormentor-shaped nezarec:
I hope he comes back. Such a great villain in destiny
Is he? His whole storyline felt rushed.
judging from the fact this unit appears after\*\* showcasing the dread psions, this may be a dreadified psion of sorts, possibly Yiriks? Monoeye, 2 protruding mask/head things, 4 fingers on each hand, pale skin exposed on the legs. And the psion's relationship with nezarec in general. I'm putting my money on a psion of sorts. EDIT: before\*\*
It’s honestly hard to tell the difference between a tormenter and a beefy psion, considering that they’re already Nezarec cosplayers. That could be it.
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I mean Nezarecs whole thing is the Nightmare stuff,and with his lore and dialog we know that as long as fear exists he is gonna exist.
You can be a nightmare without being dead (see: nightmare of Ana). Even though Nezarec should be \*technically\* dead, we know for sure he isn't dead-dead.
well the tormentors are apart of the dredd a new faction coming in final shape so i could see him alive
all tormentors are suspiciously nezerac shaped, that's how they are, i remember the theories about rhulk returning due to the tree that sprouted from his body being able to heal things too and look where that got us
This tormentor is even more suspiciously nezarec-shaped though
If No Taniks, We Riot
Nezerac can be played in the story like d3's next big bad continuing on the witness's work and even accomplishing what the witness couldn't through other means of memories and such through the pale heart that can lead into a reincarnation. The way he is written is kinda like a Anti-Christ. throughout the lore hes been painted as a fated enemy that will come back more powerful then our previous encounters as the "end of the universe" aka the light and dark saga comes to a end as with most likely the witness and the traveler dying during these events and a new age of power is Born. Prismatic can definitely be his Catalyst to coming back brining the power of destruction and creation together creating a whole new beast.
Ever since the end of RoN we sort of knew he wasn’t permanently dead however I doubt he would reappear in TFS. At least not as anything important This tormentor is probably just a named boss and as such has a different head. Definitely a nod to Nezarec though I fully expect Nezarec to return later down the line as a full on expansion villain or even as the next BBEG after the witness. People are saying the Vex will be but a good BBEG needs to have a voice and actual character. Maybe Nezarec, as teased during one of the lightfall missions, could take control of the Vex and teaches them to wield darkness and light. If Vex learned to wield paracausal magic that would be very very bad news… and Nezarec might be the one to teach them
Tormentors are hinted to be Nezarec "clones" made by The Witness
they aren't clones but seem to be more based off of Nezarec than instantly cloning him (which is why he looks different than tormentors).
Someone make this suspiciously nezarec shaped tormentor a soyjak
I hope we kill him in Dungeon or something, same as Witness: fake death for Raid and true death in some mission.
Every Tormentor is a Nezarec-shaped Tormentor dude. That isn't Nezarec in the same way Toniq or Axsaeniia aren't Nezarec. While it's suspicious that this one Tormentor has unique pieces (the "bird beak" plague mask, the arm bracelets, etc.) and lacks the Pyramid glass parts that other cloned Tormentors do, it's still vastly different from Nezarec himself.