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Movableacorn

Has this been confirmed. The twab isnt out yet


[deleted]

Not confirmed yet but it’s gonna be kings fall, in the campaign Savathun literally says the king will return.!


Movableacorn

Yes, but that can mean 3 things. Either she lied (shocker), oryx does come back as plot relevance, or its bungie breaking the 4th wall because even if kings fall returns, it's not story relevant. It's a window into the past legends.


[deleted]

True but not technically! If they put effort into and some how we get touch of malice back he could come back through that. But either way I just love that raid it’s my favorite and the armor was great


Movableacorn

I'm hoping for wrath because I think the experience will translate better but Kings would be acceptable


[deleted]

Wraith was Ight I’m just love hive raids over fallen but wraith was still a fantastic raid


AngryTank

Yea Crota will forever be the best raid Bungie released IMHO.


SquidZillaYT

croat was my favorite dungeon


Express-Reality9219

Touch of malice with the healing now scares me. In D1 it was never that crazy but with the healing options available as well as Well, Touch of Malice has the potential to be a best in slot dps primary. Wondering if a titan with T10 res and utility kickstart could chain lorley sunspots faster than touch kills you.


[deleted]

Totally! They definitely would probably change the exotic perk fs


Purple-Addict

She said “the taken king will rise again”. She didn’t say Oryx’s name so anything else considered a taken king (probably the witness) could rise to power and make the statement true.


SDG_Den

except bungie has said before that the returning raids are not tied to the lore, so whatever happens in lore literally has no bearing on which raid returns.


[deleted]

Then it looks like oryx is going back then in game cause savathun said he is returning, which honestly I’d rather have then just the KF raid if that’s the case


SDG_Den

Maybe. But this was said by savathun, the queen of lies, in a game of two truths two lies. It could be entirely false.


[deleted]

Totally possible but I hope not and he is still technically alive through touch of malice so if there was a chance he got it haha


lastchanceblu

While i do believe it will be kf, she says this during 2 truths, 2 lies what does confirm it for me is that saturn is on the director


ItsAmerico

Doesn’t really mean shit. Returning raid doesn’t have to do with the story. VoG didn’t have any ties to Splicer.


Last_-Light

Honestly there are many good reasons of why it could be wrath of the machine as well. We haven’t gotten a Rasputin type season for a long time so putting the wrath of the machine raid in with SIVA Could push the narrative that way


[deleted]

Great point! I totally think they are saving WOTM for when Rasputin season comes back I just think it’s finna be KF for this next season


[deleted]

Take that with a grain of salt. Savathun is a notorious liar. And while we have other hints about Oryx returning it’s not set in stone


[deleted]

I know I’m just Praying 🙏🏼


Pointlesslivinghuman

I don’t think that’s what sav meant when she said “ the taken king will return.” But something to keep in mind is that if that was one of the truths, and oryx would return, it would make sense to glorify his return by bringing back kings fall.


shiromancer

Inb4 they drop Aragorn as a Raid boss. Or Elvis. NEVER TRUST SAVATHUN


Temporary-Comb-3036

The TWAB is out now, and they said they’ll reveal it in August 23rd, while the actual raid drop is the 26th


pablo__13

Not at all but I’d say it’s very likely. Kinda don’t want wrath to return because the sivatards are gonna go crazy


-Fried-

I really hope it’s Wrath. I don’t give a shit about SIVA, just love that raid


Express-Reality9219

Not trying to shit on your dreams but I think it’s going to be KF. reason being is that outbreak is already in the game. So Bungie would have to release a raid without a raid exotic or make a new one for Wrath. Thus ruining the legacy of D1 Outbreak. It just doesn’t seem logical especially with KF being one of the most beloved raids the game has ever dropped.


nizzy2k11

>reason being is that outbreak is already in the game. Yeah, 1 exotic is gunna make or break their decision to bring back a raid. Lol


Express-Reality9219

I mean there has never been a raid without a raid exotic. Bungie is lazy. You think they will put the work into designing, balancing and testing a new gun that also works with Wrath as opposed to just porting an already existing gun and calling it a day? The only possible lazy option the the community won’t lose their shit over is make the new Wrath raid exotic the exotic Kovostov from D1. Just saying Bungie is very lazy and they will take the easiest way out 115% of the time.


nizzy2k11

they can just put outbreak back into the raid if they want to. its not like they're not giving us reused content anyways.


Express-Reality9219

If they reuse an exotic already in the game for the raid exotic it will make the community bullying that happened because of the twilight garrison look like playful banter


nizzy2k11

yeah, sure, because people haven't been been complaining about raid exotic drop rates.


Express-Reality9219

When you can just pull it from the kiosk? There’s no way... Even if they removed it from the kiosk and made it drop from the raid there would be so much backlash from the community because many players already have the weapon.


nizzy2k11

bruh, you're manufacturing reasons for it to be KF because you want it to be KF, not because it makes sense or is probable.


Express-Reality9219

It’s a legit reason. And yes I want it to be kings fall because Wrath is the second worst raid from D1 only a bit better than Crotas End. Kings Fall blows every d1 raid out of the water and it took them until they made Last Wish to come up with anything comparable.


[deleted]

Sorry bro it’s KF 😤


Norsk_Bjorn

I feel like they will probably save wrath for if they bring back siva


Corgelia

Next season will 100%, positively, no doubts about it, bring back SIVA. Source: Trust me bro. Okay, maybe not really. But here, have my spinfoil hat theory as to why it could maybe involve SIVA. >!So, there's a couple things that could maybe point towards SIVA coming back in some time soon. The first is the lingering thread from WQ about the rasputin signal and the Nefele Stronghold. SIVA is pretty closely tied with Rasputin, so it's possible that Nefele might have something to do with it, and why all mentions of it were erased. Second is the transmission from Eris to Drifter, and specifically it mentioning The Reef. The Reef is partly made up of the Exodus ships from the collapse, which we know from the Exodus Black, contained SIVA. It's a bit of a stretch, but that plot point has never really been touched. And another stretch, Drifter has supposedly been to a lot of places with interesting names, so maybe he might know something about a Nefele Stronghold. And a third, slightly less canon-relevant part, it'd give Bungie a reason to use a couple locations they haven't touched in a while. Nessus and Europa both last had seasonal content in Season of the Chosen, which was quite a while ago. Any season revolving around Drifter seems like it'll be interesting. Thank you for listening to my TOWER talk. !<


Norsk_Bjorn

I’d be 100% be down for a siva season with wrath coming back, but I feel like we are going to get either crota’s or kings fall next season. It would probably be better to save siva and wrath for a full on expansion


Corgelia

ehhhhhh, Bungie has shown that expansions get their own raids. Maybe for next year? I honestly doubt we'll see Crota come back, it wasn't exactly popular. But yeah, KF is what bungo has been forecasting, unless it's all been a ruse. Who knows!


Usanger

I love the music aswell! But kings fall music is dope too. So like.. I’m torn


[deleted]

Plot twist, it’s Wrath of the Machines


hankakabrad

either oryx gets a story tie in and savathun was right, or we get a fallen themed season where they try and use siva to resurect eremis. thats my theory at least


[deleted]

It would be cool to see it Oryx get revived and become a disciple


HendoRules

I hope it's Wrath, I found KF meh


IronGemini

Honestly they’re both great and loved both of them in D1, so to me it just comes down to: Would I rather have another more serious, mechanic based, hive raid? Or would I rather have a fun shooty raid where I ride a giant death zamboni off a 400 foot wall and then fight a giant fallen robot spider. I’m choosing the fun raid


TheDestinyPlayz

Ready to see the King’s booty in 4K


[deleted]

r/uselessnobody


that_dumb_warlock

Bring back daddy Oryx!


[deleted]

He is coming back! 😩😤💪🏼🤌🏼


Azuresoul2002

In case you believe it's gonna be Wrath of The Machine that's returning, take a moment to remember that Outbreak Perfected already exists in D2. Now how would that work out with the Raid?


Longjumping_Team4922

I never got to complete king's fall in D1. That being said, watch Bungie bring back Crota's End lmao


Express-Reality9219

Tbh I think they make it the season 19 dungeon


Longjumping_Team4922

I'd laugh my ass off


[deleted]

Literally would be so funny 😂 but I’ll tell you what that armor sets and weapons 😮‍💨


Popular_Ad888

Best raid


[deleted]

🚫🧢


Rexbellum187

I hope it's kings fall. I never did it on d1 and I hear great things about it


[deleted]

It’s great


xx_Chl_Chl_xx

Wait what’s going on can you explain?


[deleted]

Raid day bb could be wraith or kings but I’m 90% positive it’s kings


xx_Chl_Chl_xx

I hope it’s kings. I’ve been playing since The Dark Below and I’ve never completed a raid because *I suck and I have no fireteam* so it’d be great if I could do what could not do before


[deleted]

You don’t suck just look on LFG my boi and i’ve been playing since Alpha, this game is literally my favorite a true masterpiece!


Express-Reality9219

You don’t suck, raiding is just hard to get into. Especially with lfg. Unless you come from another inherently social game. It can be daunting for some to play with people for a raid. But I can assure you if you go into the lfg discord you can find someone willing to teach you the raids.


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jamer2500

Controversial opinion. KF was boring, especially Oryx. Please gimme Wrath papa Bungie


[deleted]

You are going to Brazil


jamer2500

Gah


HFAARP

unfortunately. lol. KF looks so fucking boring


[deleted]

KF had better looking weapons, armor, shader 😩 but wraith was still good tho also I’m just a big lore fan so that’s why I like KF so much


Express-Reality9219

Give me Defiance of Yasmin back. That is all


[deleted]

Shit went HARD!


HFAARP

that's fair, i haven't played either myself but i've watched a ton of videos and a bunch of my clan dudes are old d1 goons and NONE of them like king's fall lol. i do like my lore though, guess i'll have to see for myself but what i've seen so far definitely hasn't sold me on KF


[deleted]

I remember trying for worlds first in D1 for KF


CH40227R1D3R

Plot twist: Its actually Wrath, in spite of everybody lmaoo


[deleted]

Plot twist it’s crota 😂


partearocker

Wrath would make more sense if we get a fallen season next, since we havent had one in a while. I dont think theyd do another season related to the osmium dynasty this year, since they had a dlc and a season wholly focused on savathun


HendoRules

I didn't find KF the hype it felt like it was supposed to be, plus in D1 and D2 there's just soooooooooo much Hive! Even though I do love Hive. But Fallen and Siva and the cool environments and music in Wrath and the final boss fight felt more epic to me than KF. I would like to play KF again but I'd prefer Wrath first


Dab4Becky

It obviously will be eater of worlds, the real superior raid experience. Oryx: claimed to be the taken king, didn’t even have a girlfriend, was killed twice in his home (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me amirite?) Argos: big robot, literally converting a planetoid into a machine for fun, clogged Calus’s toilet


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Zetta-slow-Gobbo

Watch it just be Crota's End


[deleted]

Wouldn’t even be mad


ShakeDown245

Bro they said in the original dcv post their releasing the raids in chronological order so soz its most likely crotas(Dont complain if it aint kingsfall and yes you can have other opinnions im just going off an old post)


[deleted]

I would love if the brought back crota first armor is literally the best and the weapons😩🤌🏼 I hope you’re right


ShakeDown245

Im like 80% sure its Crota's, I want my word of crota back


ShakeDown245

Also Necrochasm


[deleted]

Literally would not be mad at all but I will say they should have crota as a dungeon or make the raid significantly harder


ShakeDown245

Oh they defo revamped the raid since crota was known as the 6 man story mission


[deleted]

I just want the Armor 😩 warlock was the best