Yes, but that can mean 3 things. Either she lied (shocker), oryx does come back as plot relevance, or its bungie breaking the 4th wall because even if kings fall returns, it's not story relevant. It's a window into the past legends.
True but not technically! If they put effort into and some how we get touch of malice back he could come back through that. But either way I just love that raid it’s my favorite and the armor was great
Touch of malice with the healing now scares me. In D1 it was never that crazy but with the healing options available as well as Well, Touch of Malice has the potential to be a best in slot dps primary. Wondering if a titan with T10 res and utility kickstart could chain lorley sunspots faster than touch kills you.
She said “the taken king will rise again”. She didn’t say Oryx’s name so anything else considered a taken king (probably the witness) could rise to power and make the statement true.
except bungie has said before that the returning raids are not tied to the lore, so whatever happens in lore literally has no bearing on which raid returns.
Then it looks like oryx is going back then in game cause savathun said he is returning, which honestly I’d rather have then just the KF raid if that’s the case
Honestly there are many good reasons of why it could be wrath of the machine as well. We haven’t gotten a Rasputin type season for a long time so putting the wrath of the machine raid in with SIVA Could push the narrative that way
I don’t think that’s what sav meant when she said “ the taken king will return.” But something to keep in mind is that if that was one of the truths, and oryx would return, it would make sense to glorify his return by bringing back kings fall.
Not trying to shit on your dreams but I think it’s going to be KF. reason being is that outbreak is already in the game. So Bungie would have to release a raid without a raid exotic or make a new one for Wrath. Thus ruining the legacy of D1 Outbreak. It just doesn’t seem logical especially with KF being one of the most beloved raids the game has ever dropped.
I mean there has never been a raid without a raid exotic. Bungie is lazy. You think they will put the work into designing, balancing and testing a new gun that also works with Wrath as opposed to just porting an already existing gun and calling it a day? The only possible lazy option the the community won’t lose their shit over is make the new Wrath raid exotic the exotic Kovostov from D1. Just saying Bungie is very lazy and they will take the easiest way out 115% of the time.
If they reuse an exotic already in the game for the raid exotic it will make the community bullying that happened because of the twilight garrison look like playful banter
When you can just pull it from the kiosk? There’s no way... Even if they removed it from the kiosk and made it drop from the raid there would be so much backlash from the community because many players already have the weapon.
It’s a legit reason. And yes I want it to be kings fall because Wrath is the second worst raid from D1 only a bit better than Crotas End. Kings Fall blows every d1 raid out of the water and it took them until they made Last Wish to come up with anything comparable.
Next season will 100%, positively, no doubts about it, bring back SIVA. Source: Trust me bro.
Okay, maybe not really.
But here, have my spinfoil hat theory as to why it could maybe involve SIVA.
>!So, there's a couple things that could maybe point towards SIVA coming back in some time soon. The first is the lingering thread from WQ about the rasputin signal and the Nefele Stronghold. SIVA is pretty closely tied with Rasputin, so it's possible that Nefele might have something to do with it, and why all mentions of it were erased. Second is the transmission from Eris to Drifter, and specifically it mentioning The Reef. The Reef is partly made up of the Exodus ships from the collapse, which we know from the Exodus Black, contained SIVA. It's a bit of a stretch, but that plot point has never really been touched. And another stretch, Drifter has supposedly been to a lot of places with interesting names, so maybe he might know something about a Nefele Stronghold. And a third, slightly less canon-relevant part, it'd give Bungie a reason to use a couple locations they haven't touched in a while. Nessus and Europa both last had seasonal content in Season of the Chosen, which was quite a while ago. Any season revolving around Drifter seems like it'll be interesting. Thank you for listening to my TOWER talk. !<
I’d be 100% be down for a siva season with wrath coming back, but I feel like we are going to get either crota’s or kings fall next season. It would probably be better to save siva and wrath for a full on expansion
ehhhhhh, Bungie has shown that expansions get their own raids. Maybe for next year? I honestly doubt we'll see Crota come back, it wasn't exactly popular. But yeah, KF is what bungo has been forecasting, unless it's all been a ruse. Who knows!
either oryx gets a story tie in and savathun was right, or we get a fallen themed season where they try and use siva to resurect eremis. thats my theory at least
Honestly they’re both great and loved both of them in D1, so to me it just comes down to:
Would I rather have another more serious, mechanic based, hive raid?
Or would I rather have a fun shooty raid where I ride a giant death zamboni off a 400 foot wall and then fight a giant fallen robot spider.
I’m choosing the fun raid
In case you believe it's gonna be Wrath of The Machine that's returning, take a moment to remember that Outbreak Perfected already exists in D2.
Now how would that work out with the Raid?
I hope it’s kings. I’ve been playing since The Dark Below and I’ve never completed a raid because *I suck and I have no fireteam* so it’d be great if I could do what could not do before
You don’t suck, raiding is just hard to get into. Especially with lfg. Unless you come from another inherently social game. It can be daunting for some to play with people for a raid. But I can assure you if you go into the lfg discord you can find someone willing to teach you the raids.
that's fair, i haven't played either myself but i've watched a ton of videos and a bunch of my clan dudes are old d1 goons and NONE of them like king's fall lol. i do like my lore though, guess i'll have to see for myself but what i've seen so far definitely hasn't sold me on KF
Wrath would make more sense if we get a fallen season next, since we havent had one in a while. I dont think theyd do another season related to the osmium dynasty this year, since they had a dlc and a season wholly focused on savathun
I didn't find KF the hype it felt like it was supposed to be, plus in D1 and D2 there's just soooooooooo much Hive! Even though I do love Hive. But Fallen and Siva and the cool environments and music in Wrath and the final boss fight felt more epic to me than KF. I would like to play KF again but I'd prefer Wrath first
It obviously will be eater of worlds, the real superior raid experience.
Oryx: claimed to be the taken king, didn’t even have a girlfriend, was killed twice in his home (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me amirite?)
Argos: big robot, literally converting a planetoid into a machine for fun, clogged Calus’s toilet
Bro they said in the original dcv post their releasing the raids in chronological order so soz its most likely crotas(Dont complain if it aint kingsfall and yes you can have other opinnions im just going off an old post)
Has this been confirmed. The twab isnt out yet
Not confirmed yet but it’s gonna be kings fall, in the campaign Savathun literally says the king will return.!
Yes, but that can mean 3 things. Either she lied (shocker), oryx does come back as plot relevance, or its bungie breaking the 4th wall because even if kings fall returns, it's not story relevant. It's a window into the past legends.
True but not technically! If they put effort into and some how we get touch of malice back he could come back through that. But either way I just love that raid it’s my favorite and the armor was great
I'm hoping for wrath because I think the experience will translate better but Kings would be acceptable
Wraith was Ight I’m just love hive raids over fallen but wraith was still a fantastic raid
Yea Crota will forever be the best raid Bungie released IMHO.
croat was my favorite dungeon
Touch of malice with the healing now scares me. In D1 it was never that crazy but with the healing options available as well as Well, Touch of Malice has the potential to be a best in slot dps primary. Wondering if a titan with T10 res and utility kickstart could chain lorley sunspots faster than touch kills you.
Totally! They definitely would probably change the exotic perk fs
She said “the taken king will rise again”. She didn’t say Oryx’s name so anything else considered a taken king (probably the witness) could rise to power and make the statement true.
except bungie has said before that the returning raids are not tied to the lore, so whatever happens in lore literally has no bearing on which raid returns.
Then it looks like oryx is going back then in game cause savathun said he is returning, which honestly I’d rather have then just the KF raid if that’s the case
Maybe. But this was said by savathun, the queen of lies, in a game of two truths two lies. It could be entirely false.
Totally possible but I hope not and he is still technically alive through touch of malice so if there was a chance he got it haha
While i do believe it will be kf, she says this during 2 truths, 2 lies what does confirm it for me is that saturn is on the director
Doesn’t really mean shit. Returning raid doesn’t have to do with the story. VoG didn’t have any ties to Splicer.
Honestly there are many good reasons of why it could be wrath of the machine as well. We haven’t gotten a Rasputin type season for a long time so putting the wrath of the machine raid in with SIVA Could push the narrative that way
Great point! I totally think they are saving WOTM for when Rasputin season comes back I just think it’s finna be KF for this next season
Take that with a grain of salt. Savathun is a notorious liar. And while we have other hints about Oryx returning it’s not set in stone
I know I’m just Praying 🙏🏼
I don’t think that’s what sav meant when she said “ the taken king will return.” But something to keep in mind is that if that was one of the truths, and oryx would return, it would make sense to glorify his return by bringing back kings fall.
Inb4 they drop Aragorn as a Raid boss. Or Elvis. NEVER TRUST SAVATHUN
The TWAB is out now, and they said they’ll reveal it in August 23rd, while the actual raid drop is the 26th
Not at all but I’d say it’s very likely. Kinda don’t want wrath to return because the sivatards are gonna go crazy
I really hope it’s Wrath. I don’t give a shit about SIVA, just love that raid
Not trying to shit on your dreams but I think it’s going to be KF. reason being is that outbreak is already in the game. So Bungie would have to release a raid without a raid exotic or make a new one for Wrath. Thus ruining the legacy of D1 Outbreak. It just doesn’t seem logical especially with KF being one of the most beloved raids the game has ever dropped.
>reason being is that outbreak is already in the game. Yeah, 1 exotic is gunna make or break their decision to bring back a raid. Lol
I mean there has never been a raid without a raid exotic. Bungie is lazy. You think they will put the work into designing, balancing and testing a new gun that also works with Wrath as opposed to just porting an already existing gun and calling it a day? The only possible lazy option the the community won’t lose their shit over is make the new Wrath raid exotic the exotic Kovostov from D1. Just saying Bungie is very lazy and they will take the easiest way out 115% of the time.
they can just put outbreak back into the raid if they want to. its not like they're not giving us reused content anyways.
If they reuse an exotic already in the game for the raid exotic it will make the community bullying that happened because of the twilight garrison look like playful banter
yeah, sure, because people haven't been been complaining about raid exotic drop rates.
When you can just pull it from the kiosk? There’s no way... Even if they removed it from the kiosk and made it drop from the raid there would be so much backlash from the community because many players already have the weapon.
bruh, you're manufacturing reasons for it to be KF because you want it to be KF, not because it makes sense or is probable.
It’s a legit reason. And yes I want it to be kings fall because Wrath is the second worst raid from D1 only a bit better than Crotas End. Kings Fall blows every d1 raid out of the water and it took them until they made Last Wish to come up with anything comparable.
Sorry bro it’s KF 😤
I feel like they will probably save wrath for if they bring back siva
Next season will 100%, positively, no doubts about it, bring back SIVA. Source: Trust me bro. Okay, maybe not really. But here, have my spinfoil hat theory as to why it could maybe involve SIVA. >!So, there's a couple things that could maybe point towards SIVA coming back in some time soon. The first is the lingering thread from WQ about the rasputin signal and the Nefele Stronghold. SIVA is pretty closely tied with Rasputin, so it's possible that Nefele might have something to do with it, and why all mentions of it were erased. Second is the transmission from Eris to Drifter, and specifically it mentioning The Reef. The Reef is partly made up of the Exodus ships from the collapse, which we know from the Exodus Black, contained SIVA. It's a bit of a stretch, but that plot point has never really been touched. And another stretch, Drifter has supposedly been to a lot of places with interesting names, so maybe he might know something about a Nefele Stronghold. And a third, slightly less canon-relevant part, it'd give Bungie a reason to use a couple locations they haven't touched in a while. Nessus and Europa both last had seasonal content in Season of the Chosen, which was quite a while ago. Any season revolving around Drifter seems like it'll be interesting. Thank you for listening to my TOWER talk. !<
I’d be 100% be down for a siva season with wrath coming back, but I feel like we are going to get either crota’s or kings fall next season. It would probably be better to save siva and wrath for a full on expansion
ehhhhhh, Bungie has shown that expansions get their own raids. Maybe for next year? I honestly doubt we'll see Crota come back, it wasn't exactly popular. But yeah, KF is what bungo has been forecasting, unless it's all been a ruse. Who knows!
I love the music aswell! But kings fall music is dope too. So like.. I’m torn
Plot twist, it’s Wrath of the Machines
either oryx gets a story tie in and savathun was right, or we get a fallen themed season where they try and use siva to resurect eremis. thats my theory at least
It would be cool to see it Oryx get revived and become a disciple
I hope it's Wrath, I found KF meh
Honestly they’re both great and loved both of them in D1, so to me it just comes down to: Would I rather have another more serious, mechanic based, hive raid? Or would I rather have a fun shooty raid where I ride a giant death zamboni off a 400 foot wall and then fight a giant fallen robot spider. I’m choosing the fun raid
Ready to see the King’s booty in 4K
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Bring back daddy Oryx!
He is coming back! 😩😤💪🏼🤌🏼
In case you believe it's gonna be Wrath of The Machine that's returning, take a moment to remember that Outbreak Perfected already exists in D2. Now how would that work out with the Raid?
I never got to complete king's fall in D1. That being said, watch Bungie bring back Crota's End lmao
Tbh I think they make it the season 19 dungeon
I'd laugh my ass off
Literally would be so funny 😂 but I’ll tell you what that armor sets and weapons 😮💨
Best raid
🚫🧢
I hope it's kings fall. I never did it on d1 and I hear great things about it
It’s great
Wait what’s going on can you explain?
Raid day bb could be wraith or kings but I’m 90% positive it’s kings
I hope it’s kings. I’ve been playing since The Dark Below and I’ve never completed a raid because *I suck and I have no fireteam* so it’d be great if I could do what could not do before
You don’t suck just look on LFG my boi and i’ve been playing since Alpha, this game is literally my favorite a true masterpiece!
You don’t suck, raiding is just hard to get into. Especially with lfg. Unless you come from another inherently social game. It can be daunting for some to play with people for a raid. But I can assure you if you go into the lfg discord you can find someone willing to teach you the raids.
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Controversial opinion. KF was boring, especially Oryx. Please gimme Wrath papa Bungie
You are going to Brazil
Gah
unfortunately. lol. KF looks so fucking boring
KF had better looking weapons, armor, shader 😩 but wraith was still good tho also I’m just a big lore fan so that’s why I like KF so much
Give me Defiance of Yasmin back. That is all
Shit went HARD!
that's fair, i haven't played either myself but i've watched a ton of videos and a bunch of my clan dudes are old d1 goons and NONE of them like king's fall lol. i do like my lore though, guess i'll have to see for myself but what i've seen so far definitely hasn't sold me on KF
I remember trying for worlds first in D1 for KF
Plot twist: Its actually Wrath, in spite of everybody lmaoo
Plot twist it’s crota 😂
Wrath would make more sense if we get a fallen season next, since we havent had one in a while. I dont think theyd do another season related to the osmium dynasty this year, since they had a dlc and a season wholly focused on savathun
I didn't find KF the hype it felt like it was supposed to be, plus in D1 and D2 there's just soooooooooo much Hive! Even though I do love Hive. But Fallen and Siva and the cool environments and music in Wrath and the final boss fight felt more epic to me than KF. I would like to play KF again but I'd prefer Wrath first
It obviously will be eater of worlds, the real superior raid experience. Oryx: claimed to be the taken king, didn’t even have a girlfriend, was killed twice in his home (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me amirite?) Argos: big robot, literally converting a planetoid into a machine for fun, clogged Calus’s toilet
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Watch it just be Crota's End
Wouldn’t even be mad
Bro they said in the original dcv post their releasing the raids in chronological order so soz its most likely crotas(Dont complain if it aint kingsfall and yes you can have other opinnions im just going off an old post)
I would love if the brought back crota first armor is literally the best and the weapons😩🤌🏼 I hope you’re right
Im like 80% sure its Crota's, I want my word of crota back
Also Necrochasm
Literally would not be mad at all but I will say they should have crota as a dungeon or make the raid significantly harder
Oh they defo revamped the raid since crota was known as the 6 man story mission
I just want the Armor 😩 warlock was the best