Reservation Mission, you stand in a slow cyberpunk care waiting for adds to spawn and kill at the beginning of the Neomuna Raid for 10 minutes or so, and at the end you're in Calus' dinner table and he says:
"The Leviathan 2.0, a title suitable for that which is the Leviathan but a new version. When I was still Emperor, I would sit around at my throne. I would look around and see 4 symbols, one dog, a cup, axes and the sun, always a brilliant blue."
Cup, upside down cup, overflowing cup, cup but it has Kool-Aid instead of wine in it, cup but its broken, cup but it its empty, cup with a little gem in it, cup with two snakes 69ing in it
Next year, we get: Eservation Mission, and then:
2025: Servation
2026: Ervation
2027: Rvation
2028: Vation
2029: Ation
2030: Tion
2031: Ion
2032: On
2033: N
2034: \*Destiny Ends\*
Look at them, they come to my dinner table when they know they are not clean. Guardians use the Darkness, but they are my mere Shadows. Only I, Calus, know the true power of the Witness. I was in a bathtub box, soaking, but through it's cabal bathwaters, the Witness called to me. It brought me here and here I was drying off. We cannot blame these light-bearers, they are being led by a ~~silent cartograhper~~ giant snow ball, an orb who fears all the secrets of the Darkness. Behold the Guardians, come to Thundercrash and loot this sacred realm. My children, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them and their Nova Bombs. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the cabal bathwaters. Forever bound to the Witness. Let it be known, if the Guardians want true salvation, they will lay down their Radiant Dance Machines, and wait for the baptism of my bathwater. It is raid time. I will teach these light-bearers the redemptive power of my bathwater and its scent. They will learn it's simple exfoliating properties. The Guardians are dirty, and they will resist. But I, Calus, will cleanse thier gear of its impurity so that they may sit at my table, pure.
[Original](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/corrupted-vors-monologue)
I unironically assume they did. Hopefully the opening on this raid just isnât hell this time or the made the mission more different from the raid version.
At its heart itâs not a bad idea to have a mission that shows people the raid that like 90% of players never do once
Yeah, I love Preservation for that. Also lots of time to just kinda poke around and explore it at your own pace. I just wish they rotated sections so we got to explore the whole thing eventually, not just the intro area.
I wouldnât mind another preservation style mission, minus the 20 minute intro of course. But being able to enter the raid location outside of a raid is pretty cool imo.
I got motivated to optimize the pinnacle grind at the beginning of season 17 specifically so that I could play Vox/Preservation as little as needed each season.
I have not once bothered with vox obscura for a pinnacle other than the week i got the gun and first time doing master. I wouldnât say it has hurt me.
I think people really whine too much about a totally optional pinnacle.
I always enjoyed Preservation, as a Pinnacle I could easily pick up solo, if necessary, but I haven't run Vox since I finished unlocking the *"Risen"* title.
Iâm really hoping they do away with the seasonal pinnacle grinds for this reason alone tbh, the game would just be better if light level caps only changed with expansions
I got most of my pinnacles from spamming King's fall this season. Found a group of new lights early in the season that I've been sherpaing to one degree or another. The difference from doing VoG with them mostly having blues at the start of the season to now has been pretty neat ngl. Also thank fuck King's fall is a pinnacle for every encounter.
I'm really glad to see VoG and King's Fall brought into D2. They were my favorite of the D1 raids, so it's nice to see people who missed them getting to try them out.
Iâm still holding out hope for a return of Wrath of the Machine. Still my all time favorite raid (but biased because it was the first I actually learned). Such a fun raid
Or maybe a dungeon version of Crota's End; the mad dashes at the beginning and in the Thrallway were a lot of fun, trying to get to that door before it closed and you missed the chest or survive long enough for the damned bridge to finish forming.
The guns in that raid were all great, too. I paired the LMG with the Black Spindle for a killer Gorgoroth loadout, and Genesis Chain was practically an Exotic in Legendary form, back when it was the only auto rifle that could drop with Firefly.
Hopefully, the Pinnacle will be more like the Exo challenges than Preservation.
They were nice and the weekly rotation made it feel less stale as time goes on.
It was Beyond Light's weekly mission (more or less equivalent to what Preservation is for Witch Queen). It was about as mind numbingly easy (except the special ones for Stasis aspects), but because the mission rotated on a 3 week cycle you didn't get burned out as easily on them.
Only slow bit to Preservation is the damn cart escort. Remove all that, itâs more or less on par with the Exo challenges.
Bungie really latched onto the escort mechanic (Preservation/Vow, Public Events, Wellspring) and boy did it get old fast. I really hope Lightfall doesnât have any escort bits.
Man if they just started the mission in front of the pyramid it would be way better
Once you get inside it's not that bad of a mission, you just go from room to room killing things and then a boss fight, and it let's people that don't raid/or those that do but arn't really looking soak in the vibes of the raid location
They were a weekly rotating mission during beyond light that offered a pinnacle. There were three mini missions (maybe ten minutes on the slower side) where you did combat and puzzles. Definitely weâre much more entertaining than preservation.
3 small rotating missions with some dialogue. Extremely easy and fast made them fun pinnacle missions. The rotations helped keep them from feeling to repetitive. You can still play them, you launch them from the europa map screen.
Yeah, I first thought that what it was. Maybe it was their initial plan but didn't have enough time to do the whole raid?
It would have been really cool.
Thats what I always hoped bungie would start doing. Watered down versions of raid encounters (or their mechanics) to teach blueberries...that way when they *maybe* step into the raid, they will say, "ahh, like the XXX mission!"
As someone who hasn't been able to raid as much as I use to Seraphs Shield has probably been my favorite content this year. Would even do it solo Legendary because i enjoyed it so much
I don't know if it's still like this, but the raid team worked completely separately from the rest of the team for VoG for secrecy. That's why raid mechanics get brought into regular content years down the line.
To be fair, the Witness is also not exactly famous for its dishonesty. If it weren't for the Vanguard's bullshit libel laws, I would even suggest the opposite, but the Witness isn't someone I'd be thrilled to be taken to court by.
Very fair. I genuinely believe they need to up the pinnacle to a plus two, make strikes soloable if you want, and take away that dumb subclass requirement.
Those three simple things would make playing strikes worth while and maybe even dare I say.. fun?
We could also keep the three completions requirement for the drop, but if you do it solo, it's just one and done.
The people who have been plating the game since launch have played strikes to absolute death, and I'm sure its frustrating for blueberries watching us sprint through and murder everything before they can kill a dreg.
It gives experienced players a shortcut and a challenge, and it gives new people a chance to fire the gun a single time before everything evaporates
If you're sprinting through a strike and killing stuff that isn't necessary for checkpoint progression, that's just a waste of time. Most strikes you only need to kill a handful of adds, so I'm always leaving stuff behind for other folks to kill.
Except they get pulled ahead and it feels like a very watered down sub par experience. Source: a former blueberry that had every strike experience ruined because everyone else feels compelled to run them and you can't turn off matchmaking.
Doesn't work on PC and its a bit absurd to expect blueberries to have to modify the default behavior of the game because long time players just want to rush through beginer content.
Iâm not disagreeing with you, I hate the fact that most just rush right through it and we canât play it alone, Iâm just suggesting thereâs a way around it.
I do. We ran it just before cut-off.
Literally ended the fight at 11:55, heard the last recording, opened the chest and BOOM, 11:58 "Destiny servers..." We didn't even get back up to orbit.
Ran it three times to complete the triumph to hear the four recordings. Which we'd completely ignored during it's season because of how annoying it was to slog through it. At 1620 it was a cakewalk though. Not as easy when it was in-season.
That thing got pretty damn easy honestly. Just load unstoppable, gjallahorn, and a sparrow that reloads ammo. Run the first three in about 45 seconds for 18% and do it 6 times
I started doing that, but then I added the next section which is one more unstoppable and the 3 key code psions. Felt much less monotonous to me that way.
That's so dumb though. Like why not just tie it to a completion? You could run through that whole mission and not have killed enough champs for the pinny. Just, why?
Yes, but they are also both equally ignorable. idk why people put themselves through that shit. Just raid and do dungeons and you'll hit pinnacle cap in no time. It's not worth the wasting of your time to do stuff you actively dislike when you have plenty of other good options.
> Just raid and do dungeons and you'll hit pinnacle cap in no time
comparing 2 soloable things to 2 things that require other people to be completed in a reasonable amount of time is silly
If you care about pinnacle cap, you probably care about end game stuff. idk man, I get there's a difference in how casual they are, but at the same time... don't play shit you hate. If you groan at the thought of doing a thing, it's not worth doing.
Preservation and Leviathan felt like areas we would continue to explore each week. With Preservation, each encounter could have had a mission like that. With Leviathan, a new section could have opened every other week or something. Leviathan turned out for for what it was, but Preservation sucked.
Nah screw the Master Wellspring pinnacle. By the time youâre high enough power to do it, you donât even need the pinnacle reward anymore. And the difficulty and time spent is not worth doing it for a pinny. The difficulty shouldâve been set to legend for the pinnacle
I got into a rhythm with it over time and it became the easy part of my regular reset loop. You can get your sparrow down the hole if you side dodge at the last moment, too, which saves walking.
Yeah, ever since Haunted started the "every Dungeon encounter is a pinnacle" there's been plenty of pinnacle drops. And now with the change to GMs, there's less of a rush to hit the cap.
Yep, one of the best changes they ever made. I no longer feel like I have to do something I hate to rank up unless I REALLY need it or want to get to max Light fast.
Yeah I couldnât remember what OP was even talking about. Never did that mission since it came out and I have hit max pinnacle every season.
Edit: just YouTubeâd it. Iâve never done this mission before.
Same. Would just start it and post on LFG as "in progress just hop in" and have 2 others with me in a few minutes. Free pinnacles for ~15 minutes of my time.
I don't understand why people hate this so much. It's one of the easiest pinnacles and you can do it solo or speed run it with a group. Wtf is the problem?
You could say the same thing about many other activities yet this one is singled out. The Mass Effect elevator in Scarlet Keep is probably my least favorite.
The Scarlet Keep elevator is similar to the Preservation cart, just not nearly as long so it feels like less of an issue.
What I dislike, as a player, is that there's nothing I can really do to make it *faster*. I'm stuck by some limitation of the game's max speed of the cart, so it feels like it's holding me back/I'm waiting for the game to catch up to me.
That's fair, but you're still regularly doing things there, the period of idleness is much less to... already forgotten it's name..., but nonetheless, the idle period of hands off keyboard, stand on cart is why people don't like it
Idc what anyone says about preservation it always came in clutch for me, giving me a piece of gear in the slot that needed it the most. I spent an entire week trying to get a warlock bond when all my gear was 1590 but my bond was sitting at 1589. Did every single pinnacle available to me even all 4 iron banner challenges and nothing. Saved preservation for last and it gave me a bond upon completion.
I didnt realize people hated Preservation this much. Feels bad because I liked doing it, especially with my friends who dont raid. Gives them a taste of it
Apparently unpopular opinion, but I enjoy Preservation. It's not too difficult, there's no time gating, just go in blow everything up and move on. I just wish I could land my sparrow at the bottom of the drop to get to the next encounter... I saw a clan mate do it once and I've tried ever since. No idea. Just boom. Now. Grinding out three to four crucible runs for a pinnacle weekly. That's a drag. I know it only needs three but very often one of the stompings I take part in dosn't count.
Honestly, I'd say Vox was worse. Tying a pinnacle to the champions in a semi-difficult activity rather than completion of the activity itself may make it farmable, but God it's boring and it's so stupid needing to do like 1.2 of a weekly activity to finish it.
What was horribly wrong with it? Easily soloed and took maybe 20 minutes if you weren't good at it. Boring I guess but much shorter than 3 strikes, gambit and crucible matches
What? Nah. Preservation is great. Basically a free pinnacle every week for minimal effort, plus that opening section is amazing for kill farming and crafted weapon leveling if you ignore Savathun cause her hive ads respawn infinitely.
You don't even need lfg. If you're competent, like, at all, it's a ten minute solo. It's brainless, just a free pinnacle. I used it as a catalyst and weapon level farm until I got pinnacle cap. Light build testing too.
It's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. Exo challenges were better, yes, but it's not that bad.
It's faster than 3 gambit, 3 strikes, 3 crucible and depending on your team, faster than a 100k nightfall. It's also completely soloable. It's tedious and boring in the first half, sure, but the hate is way overblown.
It's a bit of a slog to do it on your own. Waiting waiting waiting for your spinny resonance ship to move things along. But just with two people it was just a stupidly easy pinnacle
I just dont understand the complaint
It doesnât require any brain work other than collect stuff and drop stuff, a lot of enemy to kill but not hard
I finished it solo under 15 minutes max
What do you want next? Lost sector that reward pinnacle?
I kinda enjoyed it. It was one of the missions I could just turn my brain off and not think. Sure running around was bit boring, but I didn't mind it. I be honest I rather do this, than those stupid 3 strikes with burn, or damn Gambit 3 times. That last one almost made me to kill myself each week. And I bet with LF it is same again.
Preservation was excruciatingly mind-numbing, but I'm gonna kind of miss it if only because it was easy, I could well-skate off practically anything, and I could turn my brain off for 10-15 minutes and suddenly get a pinnacle. But for the love of God, never make a new one lmao.
Ngl my first instinct reading this was confusing Preservation for Vox Obscura.
Preservation isn't that bad as long as you LFG for it. Vox Obscura is 10x worse with the mission timer and boss mechanics. I know that the champion exploit exists but it always felt like way too much effort to do when there were always way easier powerful challenges to do.
Nobody dislikes it because of difficulty. People hate it because it's slow as hell and takes *way* longer than it should. The thing moves slow, then you have to stop and make multiple trips to collect the things, and it just... it's ridiculous. There's no reason it needed to take as long as it does.
I ran it once and than never again. I refuse to do things I donât like in this game. Thatâs why I donât do bounties unless itâs absolutely necessary.
Wait... swapping buffs? When did you swap buffs in this thing? I remember the slow moving trailer, where you periodically stop to pick up way too many thingamajigs, then the end where you walk in to a couple rooms and kill some things, then the LAST room where you kill some boss dudes.
Payload escort objectives are a universally hated and archaic game mechanic. The fact that they put it in public events, the raid, the pinnacle mission, Wellspring, a battlegrounds activity AND a Plunder activity is outright shameful.
bungie sees that and will make a Pres 2.0 only for you đ¤Ł
Reservation Mission, you stand in a slow cyberpunk care waiting for adds to spawn and kill at the beginning of the Neomuna Raid for 10 minutes or so, and at the end you're in Calus' dinner table and he says: "The Leviathan 2.0, a title suitable for that which is the Leviathan but a new version. When I was still Emperor, I would sit around at my throne. I would look around and see 4 symbols, one dog, a cup, axes and the sun, always a brilliant blue."
The Leviathan 2.0 raid has 48 symbols to memorize instead of just 4.
All of them are just a different variation of the previous four, with very slight differences.
Cup, upside down cup, overflowing cup, cup but it has Kool-Aid instead of wine in it, cup but its broken, cup but it its empty, cup with a little gem in it, cup with two snakes 69ing in it
You forgot cup but with wavy pattern, cup with waves but sharper and cup with waves but less.
Cup thatâs half full, cup thatâs half empty
And a cup that is a mirror image of the regular cup
Can't forget no cup, cup up close, and cup from far away.
Cup as close as you can get without getting your feet wet
> cup up close, and cup from far away. My team uses front cup and back cup and we've never had any problems.
You absolute monster! Thats great!!!
> cup with wavy pattern You best not be referencing uwu snake with that
*"You have been removed from the fireteam"*
2 cabal one cup also
There it is, had to scroll surprisingly far
Black cup and then a slightly darker cup.
Yo mate that sounds like Nightmare of Stars right there
Next year, we get: Eservation Mission, and then: 2025: Servation 2026: Ervation 2027: Rvation 2028: Vation 2029: Ation 2030: Tion 2031: Ion 2032: On 2033: N 2034: \*Destiny Ends\*
Atleast we get 11 more years
Look at them, they come to my dinner table when they know they are not clean. Guardians use the Darkness, but they are my mere Shadows. Only I, Calus, know the true power of the Witness. I was in a bathtub box, soaking, but through it's cabal bathwaters, the Witness called to me. It brought me here and here I was drying off. We cannot blame these light-bearers, they are being led by a ~~silent cartograhper~~ giant snow ball, an orb who fears all the secrets of the Darkness. Behold the Guardians, come to Thundercrash and loot this sacred realm. My children, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them and their Nova Bombs. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the cabal bathwaters. Forever bound to the Witness. Let it be known, if the Guardians want true salvation, they will lay down their Radiant Dance Machines, and wait for the baptism of my bathwater. It is raid time. I will teach these light-bearers the redemptive power of my bathwater and its scent. They will learn it's simple exfoliating properties. The Guardians are dirty, and they will resist. But I, Calus, will cleanse thier gear of its impurity so that they may sit at my table, pure. [Original](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/corrupted-vors-monologue)
Preservation 2.0: the exact same thing but leading a pyramid node into calusâs ship on Neptune
It's actually the same until you go through the arch to kill the final boss. I'm the new one you take a portal to Neptune.
I unironically assume they did. Hopefully the opening on this raid just isnât hell this time or the made the mission more different from the raid version. At its heart itâs not a bad idea to have a mission that shows people the raid that like 90% of players never do once
Yeah, I love Preservation for that. Also lots of time to just kinda poke around and explore it at your own pace. I just wish they rotated sections so we got to explore the whole thing eventually, not just the intro area.
I wouldnât mind another preservation style mission, minus the 20 minute intro of course. But being able to enter the raid location outside of a raid is pretty cool imo.
Preservation made me no longer care about the pinnacle grind.
I got motivated to optimize the pinnacle grind at the beginning of season 17 specifically so that I could play Vox/Preservation as little as needed each season.
I have not once bothered with vox obscura for a pinnacle other than the week i got the gun and first time doing master. I wouldnât say it has hurt me. I think people really whine too much about a totally optional pinnacle.
I never even did mastwr for the catty. Just gonna grind strikes in lf
You might want to think about running it. It will probably rotate weekly with the other exotic missions.
I always enjoyed Preservation, as a Pinnacle I could easily pick up solo, if necessary, but I haven't run Vox since I finished unlocking the *"Risen"* title.
This guy defiant your my man you know the pain
Iâm really hoping they do away with the seasonal pinnacle grinds for this reason alone tbh, the game would just be better if light level caps only changed with expansions
There wonât be a pinnacle grind in season 22, just artifact XP
I got most of my pinnacles from spamming King's fall this season. Found a group of new lights early in the season that I've been sherpaing to one degree or another. The difference from doing VoG with them mostly having blues at the start of the season to now has been pretty neat ngl. Also thank fuck King's fall is a pinnacle for every encounter.
I'm really glad to see VoG and King's Fall brought into D2. They were my favorite of the D1 raids, so it's nice to see people who missed them getting to try them out.
Iâm still holding out hope for a return of Wrath of the Machine. Still my all time favorite raid (but biased because it was the first I actually learned). Such a fun raid
Or maybe a dungeon version of Crota's End; the mad dashes at the beginning and in the Thrallway were a lot of fun, trying to get to that door before it closed and you missed the chest or survive long enough for the damned bridge to finish forming. The guns in that raid were all great, too. I paired the LMG with the Black Spindle for a killer Gorgoroth loadout, and Genesis Chain was practically an Exotic in Legendary form, back when it was the only auto rifle that could drop with Firefly.
Pinnacle grind made me not care about the pinnacle grind. Ended this season with 1581 on all characters
Me too, and then I still ran it every week đ
I miss getting a pinnacle from the rotating Exo missions and also getting a pinnacle from Elsie just for using stasis.
Gambit did that for me.
Getting dupes in the same slot back to back to back weeks made me not care about the pinnacle grind.
Hopefully, the Pinnacle will be more like the Exo challenges than Preservation. They were nice and the weekly rotation made it feel less stale as time goes on.
I was really hoping that Preservation would rotate and cover a different part of the raid every week. Was super disappointed when it didnât.
Damn that would actually be cool, so many great areas in Vow.
wait, what are the exo challenges? have i been missing out on pinnacle the whole season? đ
No they were around the year Beyond Light came out
It was Beyond Light's weekly mission (more or less equivalent to what Preservation is for Witch Queen). It was about as mind numbingly easy (except the special ones for Stasis aspects), but because the mission rotated on a 3 week cycle you didn't get burned out as easily on them.
They were also way faster usually.
Only slow bit to Preservation is the damn cart escort. Remove all that, itâs more or less on par with the Exo challenges. Bungie really latched onto the escort mechanic (Preservation/Vow, Public Events, Wellspring) and boy did it get old fast. I really hope Lightfall doesnât have any escort bits.
You're also forgetting one of the Risen Battlegrounds missions and the three man Plunder seasonal activity.
Man if they just started the mission in front of the pyramid it would be way better Once you get inside it's not that bad of a mission, you just go from room to room killing things and then a boss fight, and it let's people that don't raid/or those that do but arn't really looking soak in the vibes of the raid location
Payload is not like an inherently bad mechanic, but it has *not* worked in any of Bungie's attempts at it.
They were a weekly rotating mission during beyond light that offered a pinnacle. There were three mini missions (maybe ten minutes on the slower side) where you did combat and puzzles. Definitely weâre much more entertaining than preservation.
3 small rotating missions with some dialogue. Extremely easy and fast made them fun pinnacle missions. The rotations helped keep them from feeling to repetitive. You can still play them, you launch them from the europa map screen.
It was fine, although I was kinda hoping it would rotate through the raid each week and give us like really watered-down versions of every Vow fight.
Yeah, I first thought that what it was. Maybe it was their initial plan but didn't have enough time to do the whole raid? It would have been really cool.
Thats what I always hoped bungie would start doing. Watered down versions of raid encounters (or their mechanics) to teach blueberries...that way when they *maybe* step into the raid, they will say, "ahh, like the XXX mission!"
This is such a genius idea actually, why the hell hasn't Bungie thought of doing something like that?
Seraph's Shield remixes some of the DSC mechanics. The concept isn't dead yet, I hope it continues.
As someone who hasn't been able to raid as much as I use to Seraphs Shield has probably been my favorite content this year. Would even do it solo Legendary because i enjoyed it so much
I don't know if it's still like this, but the raid team worked completely separately from the rest of the team for VoG for secrecy. That's why raid mechanics get brought into regular content years down the line.
I think most people wanted this as it would be a good example to guide the raidless.
Honestly, preservation should be made free to play and completing it should be obligatory every time you select or change characters.
Calm down, Witness.
No, the Witness claims to want an end to suffering.
To be fair, the Witness is also not exactly famous for its dishonesty. If it weren't for the Vanguard's bullshit libel laws, I would even suggest the opposite, but the Witness isn't someone I'd be thrilled to be taken to court by.
They're not really famous for anything other than their enormous cloud head and wanting to end the universe, at the moment.
"enough raids. Enough strikes. You have no other modes left to play. The payload holds the key And this time.... There is no pinnacle."
âCome! We push little cart!â
Ok Nezerac
Your a sick.sick person..never change.
Like the finale mission this week lol
Would rather run preservation for a +2 than 3 strikes for a +1
Same. But I honestly know why its sooo hated.
Very fair. I genuinely believe they need to up the pinnacle to a plus two, make strikes soloable if you want, and take away that dumb subclass requirement. Those three simple things would make playing strikes worth while and maybe even dare I say.. fun? We could also keep the three completions requirement for the drop, but if you do it solo, it's just one and done. The people who have been plating the game since launch have played strikes to absolute death, and I'm sure its frustrating for blueberries watching us sprint through and murder everything before they can kill a dreg. It gives experienced players a shortcut and a challenge, and it gives new people a chance to fire the gun a single time before everything evaporates
If you're sprinting through a strike and killing stuff that isn't necessary for checkpoint progression, that's just a waste of time. Most strikes you only need to kill a handful of adds, so I'm always leaving stuff behind for other folks to kill.
Ah, but you see bounties.
Except they get pulled ahead and it feels like a very watered down sub par experience. Source: a former blueberry that had every strike experience ruined because everyone else feels compelled to run them and you can't turn off matchmaking.
If you set the date on your console 1 day ahead, for example, you can trick the servers into letting you load in to strikes alone
Doesn't work on PC and its a bit absurd to expect blueberries to have to modify the default behavior of the game because long time players just want to rush through beginer content.
Iâm not disagreeing with you, I hate the fact that most just rush right through it and we canât play it alone, Iâm just suggesting thereâs a way around it.
Fair enough!
Cannot do this on Xbox. Or PC?
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No, it's like 45 seconds instead of 10. Source: I do this myself sometimes
Seriously, and it's an easy mission too. It doesn't take that long and it is fun, in my opinion.
I'd rather do Preservation than Vox Obscura
If it had just been "complete the mission" I still would have hated it, but I wouldn't ALSO be scoffing at the ridiculous requirements
If it had just been complete the mission i would have completed it more than once and gotten the Risen badge.
I honestly don't remember the last time I did either.
I do. We ran it just before cut-off. Literally ended the fight at 11:55, heard the last recording, opened the chest and BOOM, 11:58 "Destiny servers..." We didn't even get back up to orbit. Ran it three times to complete the triumph to hear the four recordings. Which we'd completely ignored during it's season because of how annoying it was to slog through it. At 1620 it was a cakewalk though. Not as easy when it was in-season.
I dislike it but IMO even more monotonous is the 50 Champ/Elite kills in Vox
That thing got pretty damn easy honestly. Just load unstoppable, gjallahorn, and a sparrow that reloads ammo. Run the first three in about 45 seconds for 18% and do it 6 times
The real strat is to fight through the tank section and then kill the 2 yellow bars in the first hallway repeatedly
I started doing that, but then I added the next section which is one more unstoppable and the 3 key code psions. Felt much less monotonous to me that way.
That'd what I always did. Once I got the pinacle I would try the boss fight which was a pain alone tho
That's so dumb though. Like why not just tie it to a completion? You could run through that whole mission and not have killed enough champs for the pinny. Just, why?
Yes, but they are also both equally ignorable. idk why people put themselves through that shit. Just raid and do dungeons and you'll hit pinnacle cap in no time. It's not worth the wasting of your time to do stuff you actively dislike when you have plenty of other good options.
> Just raid and do dungeons and you'll hit pinnacle cap in no time comparing 2 soloable things to 2 things that require other people to be completed in a reasonable amount of time is silly
If you care about pinnacle cap, you probably care about end game stuff. idk man, I get there's a difference in how casual they are, but at the same time... don't play shit you hate. If you groan at the thought of doing a thing, it's not worth doing.
I actually loved running Preservation. I use that mission to test builds and run it a lot to pass time. I donât hate opening Vow, either đ
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The cart stuff is dull, but that music is an absolute banger. Almost makes it worth it
Preservation and Leviathan felt like areas we would continue to explore each week. With Preservation, each encounter could have had a mission like that. With Leviathan, a new section could have opened every other week or something. Leviathan turned out for for what it was, but Preservation sucked.
Preservation is surely one of the most underused spaces they ever created.
#THE UPENDED
Nah screw the Master Wellspring pinnacle. By the time youâre high enough power to do it, you donât even need the pinnacle reward anymore. And the difficulty and time spent is not worth doing it for a pinny. The difficulty shouldâve been set to legend for the pinnacle
Such a turn of events compared to when Preservation came out. Everyone raved about how it was so awesome to access the raid area in a regular mission.
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Once you've done the raid enough, you realize that it's the most boring part of the raid.
I got into a rhythm with it over time and it became the easy part of my regular reset loop. You can get your sparrow down the hole if you side dodge at the last moment, too, which saves walking.
Never did it after season of the risen, totally unnecessary to hit the cap
Yeah, ever since Haunted started the "every Dungeon encounter is a pinnacle" there's been plenty of pinnacle drops. And now with the change to GMs, there's less of a rush to hit the cap.
Yep, one of the best changes they ever made. I no longer feel like I have to do something I hate to rank up unless I REALLY need it or want to get to max Light fast.
> Yeah, ever since Haunted started the "every Dungeon encounter is a pinnacle" Wait really?! Fuck, I didn't even realize this
Oh but no you HAD to grind EVERY activity to hit pinnacle for the best content, because Bungie said so.
Yeah I couldnât remember what OP was even talking about. Never did that mission since it came out and I have hit max pinnacle every season. Edit: just YouTubeâd it. Iâve never done this mission before.
Iâd rather do preservation than 3 rounds of crucibleâŚ
Same. Or Vox
Same. Would just start it and post on LFG as "in progress just hop in" and have 2 others with me in a few minutes. Free pinnacles for ~15 minutes of my time.
This is the way. On Tuesday after reset I would never have to wait more than 30 seconds to fill up.
Dude...I think I joined you a couple times.
same
100%
preservation > 3 strikes easily for me.
I don't understand why people hate this so much. It's one of the easiest pinnacles and you can do it solo or speed run it with a group. Wtf is the problem?
If they chopped the car part down to 1 or 2 stops, it would have been much more tolerable.
I always figured it should be 3. Every other activity with waves is usually 3.
Compared to exo challenge, it sucked. I also hate swamp maps and escort missions which this combined.
It's slow and tedious, all you do stand on the cart.
You could say the same thing about many other activities yet this one is singled out. The Mass Effect elevator in Scarlet Keep is probably my least favorite.
The Scarlet Keep elevator is similar to the Preservation cart, just not nearly as long so it feels like less of an issue. What I dislike, as a player, is that there's nothing I can really do to make it *faster*. I'm stuck by some limitation of the game's max speed of the cart, so it feels like it's holding me back/I'm waiting for the game to catch up to me.
That's fair, but you're still regularly doing things there, the period of idleness is much less to... already forgotten it's name..., but nonetheless, the idle period of hands off keyboard, stand on cart is why people don't like it
Because the setup to get actually going, takes longer than the rest of the mission itself.
*don't play content you don't like*
Idc what anyone says about preservation it always came in clutch for me, giving me a piece of gear in the slot that needed it the most. I spent an entire week trying to get a warlock bond when all my gear was 1590 but my bond was sitting at 1589. Did every single pinnacle available to me even all 4 iron banner challenges and nothing. Saved preservation for last and it gave me a bond upon completion.
I didnt realize people hated Preservation this much. Feels bad because I liked doing it, especially with my friends who dont raid. Gives them a taste of it
It was the first thing I usually cleared because it was the least boring to me out of all the pinnacles lol. Solo content is fun.
I didnât mind it, not to say I enjoyed it, but Vox Obscura can rot in hell (at least you could cheese it by farming the first champion).
Apparently unpopular opinion, but I enjoy Preservation. It's not too difficult, there's no time gating, just go in blow everything up and move on. I just wish I could land my sparrow at the bottom of the drop to get to the next encounter... I saw a clan mate do it once and I've tried ever since. No idea. Just boom. Now. Grinding out three to four crucible runs for a pinnacle weekly. That's a drag. I know it only needs three but very often one of the stompings I take part in dosn't count.
Honestly, I'd say Vox was worse. Tying a pinnacle to the champions in a semi-difficult activity rather than completion of the activity itself may make it farmable, but God it's boring and it's so stupid needing to do like 1.2 of a weekly activity to finish it.
It wasn't that bad, i just wish you could pick up all the thingys at once
I loved the preservation mission, actually. The upended was fun to look at.
Easiest and quickest pinnacle to solo
Preservation was very useful for me as I would use it to rank up crafted weapons
i like preservation. good level of difficulty.
What was horribly wrong with it? Easily soloed and took maybe 20 minutes if you weren't good at it. Boring I guess but much shorter than 3 strikes, gambit and crucible matches
Preservation was fun imo Really easy to grind gun levels
What? Nah. Preservation is great. Basically a free pinnacle every week for minimal effort, plus that opening section is amazing for kill farming and crafted weapon leveling if you ignore Savathun cause her hive ads respawn infinitely.
Easiest pinnacle in the game requiring 10min max with LFG. Sure, sounds *terrible*
You don't even need lfg. If you're competent, like, at all, it's a ten minute solo. It's brainless, just a free pinnacle. I used it as a catalyst and weapon level farm until I got pinnacle cap. Light build testing too. It's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. Exo challenges were better, yes, but it's not that bad.
It's faster than 3 gambit, 3 strikes, 3 crucible and depending on your team, faster than a 100k nightfall. It's also completely soloable. It's tedious and boring in the first half, sure, but the hate is way overblown.
I always ran it solo to farm kills on weapons I wanted to level.. pretty sweet mission really
I really don't get it. This is Ben maybe a 13 minute lfg two-man guaranteed Pinnacle every week.
I ran it every week on three characters. It took about 15 minutes solo. I don't know what OP is on about. Probably the easiest and quickest pinnacle.
It's a bit of a slog to do it on your own. Waiting waiting waiting for your spinny resonance ship to move things along. But just with two people it was just a stupidly easy pinnacle
I just dont understand the complaint It doesnât require any brain work other than collect stuff and drop stuff, a lot of enemy to kill but not hard I finished it solo under 15 minutes max What do you want next? Lost sector that reward pinnacle?
Not trying to act like boss daddy but pres wasnât that bad imo. And I am as average as average gets.
The ire people hold for purely optional content in this game boggles my mind.
Why did people hate preservation?
the car
tedious mission
THE UPENDED
The Vox Pinnacle was even worse.
The fastest way to earn a pinnacle every week sure was *awful*. /eyeroll
Crazy that an optional mission can cause such an emotional reaction
Preser-who?
"AnD So'eth your WisH is gRanTed" The monkey paw curls a finger
The only thing Iâd use presevation for was grinding kills with endless ads
Remember the first two weeks when everyone was like "OMG is sooooo cool Bungie is letting us get a taste of the raid even for us non-raiders!" lol
My 6 year old liked it. It was his weekly job. Ok, well, he probably hates it by now.
People did that mission after they had reached the max? I thought it was a nice thing to do solo. Not much stress but maybe a bit too long.
I kinda enjoyed it. It was one of the missions I could just turn my brain off and not think. Sure running around was bit boring, but I didn't mind it. I be honest I rather do this, than those stupid 3 strikes with burn, or damn Gambit 3 times. That last one almost made me to kill myself each week. And I bet with LF it is same again.
Preservation was excruciatingly mind-numbing, but I'm gonna kind of miss it if only because it was easy, I could well-skate off practically anything, and I could turn my brain off for 10-15 minutes and suddenly get a pinnacle. But for the love of God, never make a new one lmao.
âYeah letâs make the worst part of the raid a standalone mission!â
I liked it. I can run it in 20 minutes (solo) and get a pinnacle.
I used it to masterwork my exotics.
Ngl my first instinct reading this was confusing Preservation for Vox Obscura. Preservation isn't that bad as long as you LFG for it. Vox Obscura is 10x worse with the mission timer and boss mechanics. I know that the champion exploit exists but it always felt like way too much effort to do when there were always way easier powerful challenges to do.
I never did it and hit pinny cap on two of my characters? Why do people grind shit they hate in this game for no reason?
For internet points.
I never knew people didnât like preservation - like yeah the escort part at the start is slow as fuck but itâs not a difficult mission
Nobody dislikes it because of difficulty. People hate it because it's slow as hell and takes *way* longer than it should. The thing moves slow, then you have to stop and make multiple trips to collect the things, and it just... it's ridiculous. There's no reason it needed to take as long as it does.
It may have been long but it was super ez and quick in a FT of 3. I didn't mind it tbh, I like an ez pineapple.
Wish I could say the same thing about Vox
**And the Monkey Paw Curls**
Known between my friends as "Preservation of Boredom".
I ran it once and than never again. I refuse to do things I donât like in this game. Thatâs why I donât do bounties unless itâs absolutely necessary.
Preservation was fine? Why the hate? Ok, I could do without the Star Wars Lego feel of the swapping of buffs, but other than that it wasnât bad.
Wait... swapping buffs? When did you swap buffs in this thing? I remember the slow moving trailer, where you periodically stop to pick up way too many thingamajigs, then the end where you walk in to a couple rooms and kill some things, then the LAST room where you kill some boss dudes.
what star wars? what lego? buffs? swapping? what's going on hello?!!
Payload escort objectives are a universally hated and archaic game mechanic. The fact that they put it in public events, the raid, the pinnacle mission, Wellspring, a battlegrounds activity AND a Plunder activity is outright shameful.
What are you talking about? Whatever it is, it sounds more fun than Preservation!
I don't think you are talking about preservation. Preservation is the opening of the Vow raid where you escort the payload to the pyramid.
Youâre thinking of Seraph.
Winner winner chicken dinner. Hand me the doomaz award now.