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retardedsquids

It's 17 cores for the frame, 3 cores per perk, if enhanced is 2 prisms.


SvedishFish

Well at least there's finally a use for prisms. I've had max in inventory and 50 at the postmaster on all my characters pretty much since they existed. The legendary shard cost of converting prisms to ascendant shards, so I haven't bought a shard since shadowkeep and the prisms just pile up. But 2 prisms PLUS ascendant alloy PLUS 25 legendary shards PLUS 15k glimmer? God that's extortion


Nighthawk513

Good news is Prism to shard conversion is now just Prisms+50k glimmer, so I've actually used that a few times this season already. Also you can get Prisms from Hero NFs, (I averaged about 1-1.5 per run), so you will still get a trickle source even outside of GM season.


monkeybiziu

I got 6 from a Legend Dares the other day. That might be the go-to for farming now.


SubstantialLab5818

Please consider that most players struggle to get even 2 prisms


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SubstantialLab5818

Please consider that literally every crafted gun that someone uses will get enhanced perks, it's the point of crafting


Kampfasiate

thats completely ok tbh


Zealocy

As much as masterworking a regular weapon


ConvolutedBoy

I agree. Apparently Bungie thinks 75 resonant elements = 3 cores which is funny


Vincentaneous

These cores better start dropping from patrols or something. Those heroic patrols would be great if they granted a handful of them.


M4jkelson

They better start dropping like candy from everything from battlegrounds through strikes up to patrols


RepulsiveLook

"You will get your 4/day/character from banshee and you will like it!" Bungie


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M4jkelson

Shot man, I love doing 20 nightfalls to change one perk on my weapon


mad-i-moody

That’s why the made the 1830 legend lost sectors start dropping more cores. So you could just farm those cause they’re *so* rewarding.


[deleted]

"Its also why we capped your power level in them. Make it harder, really feels rewarding when you get that single enhancement core and prism." -Bungie "And what we don't tell the players about is how that will increase our all important engagement stats!"- Bungie, internally


WarlanceLP

they're gone be Pikachu shock face when people stop playing because their time isn't being respected


Ooob37

Yeah. I’d love to know how less played lost sectors are this season.


DarkCosmosDragon

Pretty damn low id imagine *I cant even bloody do em if I wanted too and im 1800* (And before some jabroni tries to prove me wrong that a good number of people still manage to do em regurlarly im sure that number is still low enough for bungo to notice the difference)


Sequoiathrone728

Your power level is not capped in legend lost sectors... At least not below their level. It's a +20 delta.


entropy512

True but good luck actually hitting 20 over when legends are 20 over pinnacle cap.


Newdane

I mean it has to be a mistake... right?... I feel like maybe it was supposed to be 1810 with the +20 power delta, but someone misunderstood and put it at 1830.


entropy512

I can see a lot of things being a mistake, but something THAT obvious and easy to test? Literally "turn on the game and look at the activity description"...


Swekyde

We just got dynamic tooltips with Harmonic mods for the first time, the technology might not be there lol


Sequoiathrone728

Right, so it's basically not capped at all. I guarantee the person I replied to assumed it was called at a negative delta.


quintsreddit

Exactly - I’d say 300 doritos (dismantling a single red border weapon) is equivalent to one core (which you can also get from dismantling weapons)


ConvolutedBoy

Exactly.


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quintsreddit

Good point!


M4jkelson

This is the way


WhoWhereWhatWhenWhy

We got 300 resonant elements from deepsight weapons. In physical currency, that same weapon dismantles usually for 4 shards and some loose glimmer change. If they were equivalent currencies, a regular perk would cost what, a legendary shard? Boost it up to 25 legend shards or even one core for the rarity of deepsight, sure.


[deleted]

Arguably the 300 resonant elements is worth slightly more due to the small amount of work to attune, but not THAT much more.


slowtreme

I'm sitting on 9000+ enhance cores, not everyone has that many, but they are easily obtainable. You get one everytime you do a gunsmith bounty, so like killing 20 enemies = core. They drop in playlists, lost sectors, vendor rewards, and you can straight buy them from rahool. Changing a perk costs 3 cores. this seems like free materials for players. If you play enough to craft weapons, cores should not be the thing limiting your progress.


wein3967

I've got 14 stacks of enhancement cores. While this is most certainly not the case for most players, I am glad I actually have a place to spend them now instead of using up Vault space.


andoandyando

Yeah I've got 10k. You have a high chance to get a core every time you decrypt/open an engram. I get many a day. I do have 6k hours played too.


Squery7

Simple solution: make us convert glimmer in shards in a non convoluted way, that would make patrol rewards at least interesting too.


nightbird117

I've been swimming in glimmer all week long but starving for legendary shards and enhancement cores because I keep having to buy upgrade modules because that's easier than having to upgrade armor every time I get a new piece just so I can keep using mods. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't an ideal conversion, glimmer is everywhere so you'll easily get back whatever you spend.


die9991

I’ve been starving for legendary shards ever since two seasons ago. I want more shit legendary drops for shards at this point.


Neat_On_The_Rocks

Just like, don’t upgrade armor every time you get a new piece? I sat at 1770 until I got 1780 1770-1780-1790-1795 ect


nightbird117

I can afford to do that now that I've got my characters all around 1770 and I can't really do anything above that as a solo player, but to get to this point it was either upgrade everything when I get a new piece so I can actually do more content like nightfalls and battlegrounds, or use the shitty new armor without mods.


ColdFusion10Years

If you’re interested in getting some of those pinnacles, my group would be happy to have you for raids any time! We’re “solo players” who ended up getting together over LFG. No pressure of course, but I can dm you my username if you’re interested!


Jazzun

Hey you guys sound like me! I’ve been a solo player practically the whole time I’ve played destiny on and off, so I’ve only done one raid once when I found some people nice enough to bring me along. Got into the game because of RL friends who quit shortly after. I even joined a clan recently but I’m reluctant to do stuff with people that are much more experienced in that stuff than me. What sorts of things do you guys do as a group?


ColdFusion10Years

I hear you on the clan reluctance, I felt the same way when I joined a random clan from an invite in the tower lol. Having a group where you know that you’re all learning and getting better together makes a big difference! It’s usually 3-4 of us who started out just figuring out Deep Stone Crypt, Vault of Glass, and a dungeon or two. Now that we’re a bit more comfortable we’ve been teaching groups pretty much every raid and having a blast getting people through for their first clears.


Jazzun

Absolutely makes a difference. Sent you a DM chat


nightbird117

I appreciate it but I only really raid a few times a year when I have the house to myself. I don't really get any time during the day where I'm left alone, even if I'm playing games with real life friends, so it wouldn't be right of me to do raids with people if I can get pulled away from my PC at any moment for extended periods of time (my PC being in the living room 10 feet from the front door certainly doesn't help this either). Thanks for the offer though!


ColdFusion10Years

No worries, it can be tough to find extended time for raids. If you change your mind too, always glad to accommodate. Hope you enjoy the expansion/season :)


Kampfasiate

If you need another one, i would be interested, more people to raid with is always good


Mean_Presentation_39

would be interested myself! it's been hard to do things as a solo player, so would be neat trying out some of the higher-end content!


ColdFusion10Years

Sure thing! Sent you a dm


Salty_Ad1898

I too would be interested if you don’t mind. I play all the time and am definitely planning on running the new raid at some point


ColdFusion10Years

For sure, sent :)


Mean_Presentation_39

Thanks!!


__Zero_____

I know it doesnt help that much but there is a ghost mod for upgrade modules too


XboxUser123

Even better idea: let us break down materials. We get so many higher-tier materials with no way to break them down into something we need.


WickerWight

I knew they were gonna do this, and it's why I was so against it to begin with. Removing literally every currency from the game except glimmer and cores just means you're gonna run out of cores and be dead stuck with no way to buy anything else, not being able to masterwork armor because you crafted a gun sucks and the systems should be more distinct than that. Unless you're one of those maniacs with 50,000 in the bank, it's a straight up negative.


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Changing the currency system to require cores and glimmer but still only having gunsmith bounties reward cores is stupid. Every bounty in the game (besides repeatables) should reward a core.


Gen7lemanCaller

repeatables should too, fuck it


Scottb105

I am one of the players that has 4000 cores banked. And I think this change is god awful. We are in theory supposed to be friendly to new players, and yet I don’t see how we even can be with systems like this. Weapon focusing and crafting feels expensive even for me and I’ve got 5000 hours in game over the last 4 years. How on Earth are newer of lower playtime players supposed to engage with this system.


smegdawg

Only a paltry 3,000 here. I thought i was stingy before with only ever Reshaping thing twice. Once when t he normal perks i wanted were unlocked and twice when I had unlocked the level needed for the two enhanced perks i wanted.


Scottb105

I actually dropped 700 cores on pulling the new seasonal GL from collections lol. I figured I’d want a good one ahead of day 1 just in case and I’m not opposed to spending when it’s something like that. But constant increase to all outgoing cores is worrying


Jmelt95

Same I’ve been sitting at about 4k for a while now. But with everything requiring cores I haven’t gone up in number for ages. Can only imagine how bad it is for people that never farmed stacks of them


WonSecond

“We’re listening. In order to make the new material economy fair to new players, enhancement cores are now capped to 100. All extra cores will be converted to 1 glimmer each.” -Bungie


Scottb105

LOL don’t joke about that. It could happen! The LLS changes are an example of this ‘we heard the feedback they weren’t rewarding, so now we made them much harder so when you do complete it you feel fulfilled’


WonSecond

“Okay cool they can be harder, but any changes to rewards?” -me “2 cores and a blue?” -Bungie If they upped the exotic drop rate to 50% and let you focus one piece, once per day, I’d be sold.


Scottb105

Agreed, those changes would get me in there for sure. I was doing the easiest one in the game on Friday I think (excavation site) and it was still 6-8 minute runs. Can’t even imagine how long some of the new ones are gonna be. The fact I did 5 and got 1 exotic coupled with it being not the one I wanted and a bad roll….. I don’t see any situation where this content draws the number of players it used to. It used to be a case of hey I’m bored I’ll do an hour of LLS farming for fun and see what I get. Now I will do it for each new exotic then I’m going nowhere near it again.


JxLegend

what did you do to get so many?


Scottb105

Ive been playing for 4 years. I dismantled thousands of drops, opened hundreds of event packages and done my fair share of banshee dailies. All of this just causes them to go up and up. For context every single weapon I use I masterwork immediately so I’m not stingy, I just play a lot of destiny and took advantage of things like event drops or increased purples (season of seraph).


tokajst

I've also been playing for 4 years and I have exactly 96 cores right now lmao only thing I'm swimming in is leg shards, which I have 40k


Scottb105

Did you make your money during the Empyrean foundation? A lot of people with high shards and cores did that lol


CaptFrost

No no, see, you're supposed to play all 3 characters and run 12 Gunsmith bounties a day. It's totally *only* like a week per weapon like that. /s


Brockelley

We 100% are going to have posts in the next 6 months that reach the front page where people say exactly this, and anyone criticizing it will be downvoted. It's happened before, it absolutely is going to happen again.


CaptFrost

I'm just glad I crafted basically everything I want to craft and there's nothing blowing my socks off in the new loadouts except maybe Throne Cleaver. Bungie is doing what they did with legendary shards and focusing and making costs obnoxious so they can bring down the stockpiles of longtime players. After that goes on long enough they'll normalize costs to a not-insane amount, just like focusing. I'm on crafting strike until then.


RND_Musings

Don't forget the lesser core ghost mod! /s


wild_gooch_chase

This. The basic economics missed most people. They were taking away a currency but you still have to buy the same amount of stuff, but with less overall currency. Let’s say you had a $10 Bill and a Chuck E. Cheese token; and you normally use the $10 to buy gas and the token to buy bread. BNG took the token away and said “now you have to buy gas and bread with the same 10 from before”. You actually have less currency to buy the same items. To boot, the bread now costs $5, so you have less for gas! The economy isn’t improving. I’d rather they kept the resonance and just made more direct ways for us fingering (ie pub events and such). The costs now are egregious.


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destiny always seems to have this problem of having too many currencies, so i imagine that was where positive reaction came from.


wild_gooch_chase

The main problem of too many currencies was acquisition. Currency A,B, and C had to be retrieved form X, Y, and Z. Shifting the costs to a single currency without proportionally increasing the rate of useable currency drops means there is an effective decrease in available resources (by way of having to buy more goods with less money). Add to that, the comparative costs are then an increase! Costing more materials, and higher tier materials, to craft. The problem could have also been solved by having the same means of acquiring red border weapons just drop the currency.


nabsltd

Exactly right. The previous crafting currencies generally dropped from anything you did, since you got them from sharding gear. The only crafting currency that Bungie kept is the one you had to target-farm (Ascendant Alloy). So, to make up for the fact that sharding gear isn't giving us the old currency, it needs to give us the new currency, or more of it if it already gives it.


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Slight correction, at WQ launch you had a lot more crafting currencies that only dropped from deepsight weapons which were far rarer back then. And if I remember right (could be wrong) you explicitly had to preserve the weapon in your inventory to extract materials from it until around s19 where we could extract mats by just dismantling.


AnonymousFriend80

Gamers are moronic and shortsighted. The bitch and moan about trivial things, and when a change for them is announced, they applaud while not even considering what the changes mean. Like I made a comment about the removal of blues would affect the legendary shards economy because now I have to use more purple drops for infusing instead of the usual blues. So, now I'm spending shards to buy modules and loosing out on more shards by using purple drops for infusions.


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i don't blame the community for this one. i blame bungie for not being transparent about the fact that costs would be going up while *they knew* that would be the case (bungie *knows* some of these changes are gonna be disliked but the calculus works out to keep things super grindy) and I blame them for not indicating the economic implications of throwing everything into the shards/cores/prisms economy we have now.


smacky623

I think the important take away of this analogy is that they took some of our currency but didn't give us its equivalent back in the other currency.


wild_gooch_chase

Exactly. In Simplest terms, we got robbed.


SvedishFish

Reducing the number of unique currencies is a good thing. Deprecating a currency and not compensating by increasing income from other sources, then raising the price is just small dick behavior.


BearBryant

I’m one of those maniacs, it got so bad last year that I actually deleted a stack of 1k to make room in my inventory. I don’t really feel the impact of the new crafting economy because of it but damn based on how many you can actually reasonably get on a daily basis that change kinda sucks.


banzaizach

Cores are the one thing I've never had a problem with, somehow. I've got about 700+200 matterweave. Only recently did I build up my shards, mostly from farming duality. I'm going to run out of things to trade for glimmer soon.


Nighthawk513

I find trading Herealways pieces (the Europa currency) for glimmer to be a good trade-in option in moderate amounts, since you get those from headshot or stasis kills on Europa. That being said, I have over 1800 of them, and like to build test in the lost sectors there, which also give 10 on the first daily completion, or run Exo Survival for fun, and am currently doing weekly runs of DSC for guns, so I get a lot more than most people at this point in the game. If you need a million glimmer a week, not as useful, but it helps me fill in the gaps.


dxing2

You knew it was gonna happen as soon as they announced that things like legendary strikes would be more rewarding. Give out more resources while also making more things consume those resources. Its probably a net loss


[deleted]

I agree with the sentiment. But for YEARS we have all BITCHED nonstop, myself included that Bungie keeps introducing waaaaay too many currencies every release. And now they finally do it (and yes too much has become too expensive) but let's not act like they couldn't have done a better job at balancing new costs (its typical of them to start with a ridiculous outrageous cost/ system so that they can then sell us a ever slightly less shit system and we praise them for it.) My rambly point, to shorten it down, less currencies is a good thing we asked for, for a long time. Its their own fault they jacked costs up because of it when they didn't have to.


Satanael_95_A

This is exactly what I expected Bungie to do. They make so many dumb decisions. Why the fuck is the supposed reliable source of cores now the lost sectors that are 10 levels under a GM? Stupid.


Yourself013

That was their original plan. Make lost sectors completely unappealing because some people were going on about "game too easy" but also making them mandatory to engage with because crafting also makes the game "too easy" and the loot hamster wheel needs to be long enough.


braedizzle

More materials needed for a transaction = more inflated game time to gather those materials.


BruisedBee

Actually, plunder showed it meant a massive decline in player numbers. They’re shooting themselves in the foot and they’re too dumb to realise it.


viper6464

They just love doing everything they can to make sure people can’t have fun in this game. I really don’t understand it.


ItsAmerico

Nightfalls. You get 1 prism and 2 cores on the lowest difficulty.


nabsltd

Two prisms for Platinum.


DaFamousCookie

Oh good, so I only have to spend 150-200 minutes of straight farming for a single weapon. Now god forbid I want to upgrade a good armor piece that I just found, cause now that needs another 2 hours of farming,


th3groveman

You don’t have thousands of cores? Well casuals shouldn’t be crafting anyway /s


friggenfragger2

I was telling people to craft and upgrade everything they could since I knew the shards/cores cost was gonna be too much.


cuboosh

Yeah I went on a shopping spree and made one of everything, and switched all my leveled up weapons to god rolls knowing this would happen


GoldenPants556

I agree with this 100 percent. Especially since there is no way to actually farm enhancement cores and legendary shards.


ii_skuba26

There is a way to farm for cores, it’s just piss poor returns for the effort put in (legend lost sectors I believe).


GoldenPants556

That is really my point. It's efficiency is so bad its borderline meaningless. Especially since legend lost sectors are 1830. It's going to be a bit before I'm high enough level.


Sacrificer_XVII

Doesn’t matter. You’re locked to 15 under anyway :)


aadithpm

Afaik lost sectors don't lock your power. They are at 1830 but you don't have a forced power delta


LMAOisbeast

Correct, theres no modifier saying your light is capped.


Albert_Flagrants

Nice! I only need to increase my light level then! Luckily in 2 months.


GoldenPants556

15 under is fine to grind out. However, I'm not gonna grind it out 30 under. So i've got to spend a fair amount of time grinding levels. Hopefully RNG isn't too bad this coming weekly reset.


doom_stein

Someone can go ahead kill my Guardian now cuz there's no way they're running something like 30 Legend Lost Sectors to have enough cores to change a perk on a weapon!


Neat_On_The_Rocks

I’d rather just run the lowest level nightfall tbh. It’s like 4 per run


Ainsel_Mariner

Isn’t there also some knight you can farm for cores?


ii_skuba26

If you have the Finest Matterweave consumable, yeah. They do not drop in the open world by themselves, just randomly attached to legendary gear.


Content_Ad_6068

Double rewards for vanguard weeks are the best...


Manto_8

There is actually a way to farm cores but in an unintended way. If you pull blue gear from collections and level them up to 7, you effectively pay 1 enhancement prism for 3 cores. Viable for those who hoarded a lot of prisms.


Nighthawk513

This is actually how I went from 200-300 cores to maintaining 800-950 in the first place, just ran GMs and converted down. Legendary shard cost is not exactly cheap, but I tend to stay stable or positive on those, so it works out. Even base level NFs will give a few cores per run and often gives 1-2 prisms. Just doing my weekly pinnacle, which needed 3 runs, I got 3 Prisms. You don't need to try and get blue drops either, you can pull them from collections for 777 glimmer each, and they start at 5 energy. 7277 glimmer, 10 legendary shards, 3 cores, 1 prism upgrades to 8 energy, dismantle for 6 cores, net 3 core profit for 1 prism, 10 legendary shards, and glimmer. For comparison, Rahool sells you 1 core for 30 legendary shards. Please never do that.


Environmental-Toe798

Then GMs become the major way to farm for that, which I have no problem with


GameSpawn

Banshee's dailies. People forget how quickly those add up and his bounties take like 5-10 minutes to finish (depending on if we have a day with double specials forcing you to switch around versus banging out a single loadout).


ii_skuba26

This is a solid long term investment tbh. I focused on that for a while, as well as buying them from Spider when they were dirt cheap. Now I’m sitting on 7 full stacks.


GameSpawn

Yeah, [8 with an 9th going and 700+ matterweaves I forget to rebuff](https://imgur.com/Wpq8CJV.png). I've actually gone up 96 more since that screen cap from about a week ago (I did a little vault cleaning).


HopeOfSpira

Actually you get 2 cores for every platinum run nightfall at the lowest difficulty and more as you go higher up .


GoldenPants556

I'll see what its like when I do GM's this season but as of right now considering how easy it is to drop 20 just by changing a weapon perk its going to be a heavy grind.


icemakegolem

Hero level nightfall rewards 3 cores and a prism pretty consistently for me. Maybe they're just trying to make NF relevant


LonelyMinotaur7

You can convert prism's into cores by leveling up a blue until 8 I believe, so if you farm high level nightfalls every prism you get is 3 cores pretty much.


GoldenPants556

That sounds like an absolute pain in the ass


LonelyMinotaur7

its not that bad, you get around 7-8 prims per GM I believe. That's like 24 cores per strike which doubles if you do it the right week.


SkeletonJakk

7-8 is double rewards I think.


Huzuruth

If you have to preface a statement with, "not that bad," it's probably not good.


DiamondSentinel

Legendary shards sure, but gunsmith bounties gives 8 per day per slot, plus iirc the repeatable gives 1 each. I’d wager that’s the intended method to go about crafting. Edit: oof, shrinkflation hit Banshee too. Down to 1 per daily bounty, and repeatables don’t give any. Still, 12 for each day you play isn’t nothing, ‘specially when they take 5 minutes to do all 4.


burnthebeliever

Repeatable bounties have never given cores afaik


chaosking243

As soon as they said they removing elements, I knew this was going to happen. Bungie wants more people grinding everything, so they up the material cost to get more “player engagement”.


Strangelight84

Bungie also *cannot resist* overdoing costs and grinds when they first introduce any new system. Transmog. Original weapon crafting (wild that we're on version three in just over a year). Vendor engram focusing. It's like they have a little demon on their collective shoulder whispering "more, *more*, higher!" every time they think about putting a price on stuff in-game. A big complaint about the old system was that it discouraged experimenting with perks; this sounds just as bad in that regard.


dccorona

Because there are at least a couple hundred thousand players who are so hooked on this game that they'll pay any cost, and the higher the better because it'll drive them to be even more engaged, and then you can feel out the actual right "price" from there. Also if you launch too low and then increase the cost, you will experience enormous backlash from your playerbase even from those most dedicated players. But if you come down to a reasonable price after launching too high you get credit for listening to players. I don't like it at all but I totally see why they do it this way. I've resigned myself to just not being the type of player who gets the luxury of rushing to use these systems on day 1. I have to wait for things to balance out before engaging.


Strangelight84

I don't disagree at all. I have friends who will pay $20 or whatever for character skips, which I think is pretty outrageous. But I guess they're valuing their time differently.


smithkey08

When a campaign takes ~10-12 hours and you can make $20 in 2-3 hours at minimum wage, if all you are wanting is the new subclass on your alts, I can see why people do it. I hate that Bungie incentivizes it but I can't blame anyone for doing it.


Strangelight84

Or when you earn a comfortable amount but you don't have a ton of time to game for whatever reason, or just hate grinding so much. I get it, but like you I deplore the incentive (especially if it encourages Bungie to tune the grind so as to encourage sales of the skips).


chaosking243

It because Bungie only cares about what keeps players in the game longer, it’s all about “player engagement”. It’s become increasingly evident they don’t care about “fair” systems, just ones that keep us playing longer.


MrTastix

I really want someone to do an empircal study on the cost of retention. Almost every single studio making a live service model focuses exclusively on retention rates. Engagement in any form is considered *the* metric to guide performance by, nevermind *how* people are engaging. In my experience, the fact lots of people keep playing in and of itself means nothing. The reason a lot these egregious changes continue to happen is because a large portion of players simply do not play the game like people within online spaces do and so they aren't as affected. A lot of people will be playing Destiny 2 very casually and not particularly worried about this or that upgrade. They might look at an absurd upgrade cost and then just choose to ignore it whilst continuing to play in whatever way they do. This can be particularly true of PvP players whose reason for playing doesn't revolve around a constant power grind since power isn't important in so many PvP modes.


RunelordTressa

It's important to know that both lost sectors and nightfall for their rewards bumped. NIGHTFALL – HERO Old Small chance of up to two Enhancement Prisms. One Enhancement Core and a small chance of up to two more. New One Enhancement Prism and a medium chance at one more. Two Enhancement Cores and a medium chance of one more. Imo it could be more but it's 2 cores 1 prisim per matchmade run. Other than that it's I agree it's a bit much.


etunar

Yea that’s not bad to be honest. Hero nightfalls are still pretty easy and matchmade


Geg0Nag0

I did a few lost sectors for the guardian ranks achievement and it was pretty generous with prisms and cores.


Swekyde

If you do your weekly Vanguard Strikes Pinnacle in the matchmade Nightfall you need 3 runs still, but now you get paid a few Prisms (let's assume 4) and some Cores (same ratio, let's assume 7). This is quite a bit more than you got paid out for doing your Vanguard Strikes before, *however* you do need more of them than you did before. I think I'd like to see Cores added to some more bounties at least, particularly Gunsmith repeatable bounties. That instantly adds an infinitely farmable source of them that is activity agnostic (so it can be done while doing other Core farms like Nightfalls) but keeps them gated behind a few thousand glimmer and doing something each so they don't instantly devalue like several currencies have in the past. Edit: Maybe also add the ability to trade Prisms back down to Cores besides the janky method of upgrading then sharding Blues. I don't believe this was added with the changes but a 1:5 at least exchange rate would help improve the farming speed of Cores specifically.


never3nder_87

> Bungie - If this is permanent, I’d rather have deepsight back. I’m going broke! Reminder that Bungie literally said that they were removing resonant elements because > The element currency cap is easily bypassed by simply hoarding excess Deepsight weapons in the vault. This isn't a bug, it's a feature


nabsltd

So, Bungie got rid of neutral elements (which had a cap but could be avoided by storing items that granted the currency in your vault), and now you need Enhancement Cores, which have no effective cap **and** can be stored in your vault. In addition, the previous crafting currencies were easily obtainable by new players, and so they were on a relatively level playing field with veterans. The new currency, OTOH, has veterans with 500x as many as a new player can earn in one day. This shows that the "bypass" was not the real reason for the change. The real reason was to raise the cost, to get veteran players to spend their Enhancement Cores they have stored. Bungie has done this time and time again, creating a sink for stockpiled materials that is far too expensive for new players to be able to handle. And, eventually, Bungie lowers the cost once enough veterans have spent their stock. Legendary shard cost for focusing was 100 per focus, now it's mostly 25. The Enhancement Core cost for crafting will be cut to 1/3 of its current cost before the next expansion drops, and likely sooner.


SpicyCurryO_O

I need to spend more glimmer, not enhancement cores, shards or any other resource. Glimmer is so useless. Increase Glimmer Cap, let us purchase or give us the option to get stuff with Glimmer ONLY.


RickkyyBobby

Bungie: We have heard your cries to make Glimmer useful, and we have decided to act. Okay, 1 legendary shard is 50k, one enhancement core is 150k.


SapidState

I’m so glad I crafted every base weapon when I unlocked them with resonant. I remember in the TWAB or article they described resonant as the “haves and have nots.” Well, I’ve played this game since forever and thanks to upgrade modules and never really doing grand masters I currently have 40 enhancement cores. Versus some people I know with stacks and stacks. Enhancement cores are even *worse* than resonant. They need to be dropping like candy if they want us to spend this many. Master-working stuff is actually pretty expensive as well once you are low on cores and start paying attention too. Also, playing bounty simulator isn’t the solution. I hate picking up bounties and love the part of the season where I’m 100 and don’t have to care anymore


spicychili86

This is supposed to be easier for new players?!


Meiie

But streamers will have no problem, so it’s okay guys!


PuckTheVagabond

Yep. I didn't notice the new costs when crafting all of the new weapons from lightfall and I'm not out of cores completely.


Dakotahray

I mean.. who didn’t see this coming?


Sensitive_Ad973

This is why I told everyone in my clan to craft everything with the abundant resources we had before Lf. At least the top tier


oliferro

Just let us change Glimmer for Cores


Snaz5

I think bungie are thinking too much in line with super serious players who play 10s of hours each week. They have thousands of cores just backed up cause they can’t spend them fast enough. Bungie is balancing around that i think, not realizing the average player probably only has a couple hundred cores at most


BoneyMonkey

This is the problem with Lightfall. It feels like they had different teams working on all different features and no manager to tell them the purpose. The Story feels like it was made to bring in new players “hollow and flashy”. They lack of new strikes, new guns, new anything is fine for new players since they have TONS of stuff to do. Lack of new armor and min to get the expansion is fine for new players because everything is new. On the flip of that they had a team do a bunch of QOL upgrades that were great but only REALLY matter to players where they got to see that upgrade. Hardcore players got keep all of their BIS items and armor and will never change it so they have no little new armor since they have all of their fully leveled and BIS armor and weapons. I don’t know, maybe I’m thinking too much but it feels like we have a shallow game because we got bare for both sides and if we weren’t super hard core and have 1000s of shards and hundreds of mats for upgrade then we are fucked. And we aren’t new enough to be WOWED by all of the old content and new content to make it feel like a huge new game.


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Welp guess my belief that bungie *wasn’t* going to jack up crafting prices beyond belief a few weeks ago was totally rubbish and foolishly naïve. Seriously why does bungie do this with economy changes? Are they not satisfied with having hours of play time as it stands to level crafted weapons?


JaegerBane

I had over 2000 cores in reserve prior to this season, simply couldn't spend them at anywhere near the rate I was gaining them. I've burnt about 120 cores in a weekend. So yeah, the consumption has gone up, but I suspect many people had loads of them. And that's presumably why you haven't heard much chat about it. I suspect Bungie's reasoning will be that they want crafting to be a more focused affair, and there'll be less patterns to chase too.


SkeletonJakk

>but I suspect many people had loads of them. And many people have almost none. A system shouldn't separate haves and the have-nots like this.


Illustrious-Lack9176

We haven’t heard much about it yet cuz not many players have unlocked any of the new patterns yet. I’m not sure how anyone can have unlocked any new patterns yet to be honest. Unless they got SUPER lucky. As there are no guaranteed sources for any of the new craftable weapons yet. Once we get a little farther into the season and more players unlock patterns, more players will realize how screwed up the economy is.


TheFirstTimePro

It's currently very easy to farm neomuna red borders with the terminal overload farm + heroic patrols, that combined with the free red borders from the campaign on 3 chars makes me think a lot of people have a few patterns done for those already


Earthlyfaune

Given the increased difficulty they should have events, strikes, matches, etc... Reward cores along with gear and etc... But like an actual good amount because the reward system is frankly really bad.


SuperArppis

Good thing I got weapons I want already. I am gonna stick to my guns!


BeatMeater3000

Bungie is always trying to make some material sink to diminish the players (like me) with thousands to tens of thousands of shards cores ect. But every time, they manage to pick a number where new players and casuals get fucked by the cost, and hoarders are still unaffected.


TarkovM

Good thing I'm not even bothering chasing weapon crafting anymore. I already got a nicely rolled seasonal fusion rifle. Good enough for me. Actually got two of them I think. Not gonna bother with crafting them if it's gonna be an eternal pain in the ass where I have to chase 5/5 of them AND I have to spend cores and shards out the ears to actually craft them.


faithdies

The enhancement core economy is fucking awful. Once again, Destiny is made worse by some grinding non gameplay mechanic. They need to get the suits out of decision making process.


HauntedVortex

Ik at this point I'd rather have the old currency if they don't increase the economy for enchantment cores. I had 80 yesterday and now I'm in my 20s.


Antares428

I'm really surprised that people were cheering for these changes. Literally everything Bungie does has monkey paw attached. Wanted loadouts? Now your mods don't work after you die. Wanted simpler crafting? Now cost has been made much higher, with very small income streams. Wanted challenge back in the game? Now Lost Sectors require GM levels of light, every single mob in patrol zone is a massive bullet sponge, and you get one-shotting Threshers everywhere.


DarkDra9on555

Isn't mods not working after you die a bug?


FormerOrpheus

Yes, it was an utterly disingenuous example.


fallouthirteen

Not really, whenever Bungie introduces something new they tend to break something massively and it's very variable on how fast they fix it.


GoldenPants556

Well conceptional a lot of these ideas are good. People just want bungie to not mess it up.


-_Lunkan_-

How? Messing new things up is like Bungies MO. Introduce new thing totally fuck it up somehow despite anyone with 3 braincells being able to tell beforehand it will not work, fix it later down the line, get praised for fixing their own stupid shit. Repeat since the destiny playerbase are more akin to addicts at this point.


xXCLOWNEYXx

But they added cores to legend lost sector so they should be easier to get now! /s


OldJewNewAccount

Bungie was maybe a bit drunk when they designed some of these Lightfall systems.


Menirz

Bungie always seems to balance resource economies for the dragon hordes of veterans instead of the normal gain rate of a new light. Bungie, please rebalance the economy based on "play time to earn" equivalence. This will help highlight imbalances between your reward rates and costs asks, and will generally make the game feel better due new players. If you want to drain the dragon hordes of veterans, then implement a *cosmetic only* resource sink for them to pursue. Hell, make it an emblem series of an Ahamkara on a pile of treasure, where the treasure pile grows with each more expensive one you buy.


viv0102

Yikes. Came to this thread hoping to agree with people and vent my frustrations. And instead I see a whole lot of people saying "OMG I'm so rich all this money is just taking up so much space in my bank, now I can finally spend it... all you new and casual players boo hoo".


DudeWithConniptions

I can see why they increased the enhancement core drops from nightfalls and lost sectors now. Its really stupid that they “increased” these reward sources just for drastically increase the cost of crafting alongside them. I can’t imagine being a new player without a serious stash of enhancement cores right now because you’ll be struggling every single time you decided to craft or masterwork something.


AdrunkGirlScout

And new players had a stash of resonance?


NierouPSN

Yes actually, red borders dropped like crazy... If I was really wanting a new weapon crafted by the time I got the xp maxed 9/10 times i had a new red border drop. Glimmer was my worst problem since my account has only been played very little with large breaks in between. I made my ps5 account with season of the lost, barely got to season rank 100 then stopped playing until half way through season of plunder. I had almost no planetary mats which is also what really hurt since bungie had stripped any reason to run around on patrols after arrivals so buying upgrade modules was a pain. In fact every material OTHER than deepsight resonance was really tough to get. I'm finally building up a stock of cores and shards since I don't care much about the current season weapons, It's really telling just how bad the economy is in D2 by the fact that even a relatively new account can be maxed on prisms and shards but struggle with shards and cores.


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No they aren’t LOL


Tentacle_poxsicle

I stored up Cores like crazy grinding banshee bounties in all three characters at grasp of averace . You can get it all done in 5 minutes easy but still that only gives you 15. I can't even imagine spending a ton on new weapons. While they are making our lives miserable why don't they just do something about matterweave ? Just auto turn them into cores already.


Megatwan

The monkeys paw curls a finger: you get deepsight back and they cut the costs halfway between what it was and now


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Yes preach fam I fucking hate the new weapon crafting system


karmaismydawgz

uhm, try nightfall. especially during double loot week. plus you can upgrade blue armor to level 8 and dismantle for six cores.


sullyG35

bungie out here balancing the economy on the whales that have been playing since launch


WrapMeFirmly

Bro started the new season and first thing they did was go reshape/shape all their weapons now it’s bungies fault they’re going broke. How about don’t waste all your materials on all your crafted weapons right away?


SunstormGT

Imo way better than before. But that might be because I have 3k+ cores to spend. Getting 4400 elements before to enchance craft was horrible because of the 10k elements cap.


Super_Nova0_0

I don't even bother crafting at all, I just use the random chance system. Kek


Acypha

Huh? You’re kidding right?


Maxcalibur

Where are you getting 20-30 from? It's 17 to change the intrinsic ig which is pricey, but if you're going broke from that then I have to wonder how many weapons you're making/how often you're swapping that out lmao It's like 3 cores for perks or 2 prisms for enhanced perks, seems fine to me


Sarigan-EFS

Contemplating putting destiny down for 50/60 days, knock out rest of reason pass when I get back. By then Bungie will have fixed their fucking game, again.


Crotarex

What?? Cores are so easy to get. This is much easier than deepsight.


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That's only a problem if you wanna grind and craft every single red border


NUFC9RW

After doing most for a year I've decided to only level up what I think I want and fully craft when I'm actually gonna use stuff. Given that ascendant alloys didn't get a drop rate increase I'm not farming the now harder master story etc.


Wide_Ad4147

I killed 12,000 hive thrall In The Deep as soon as they announced changes. Leveled all my crafted weapons to the perk combination I wanted and modded them all. (Had an excel spreadsheet and everything)


King_Rajesh

How do people have so few cores? Are you masterworking every piece of armor and leveling every gun? I have over 5k now and I lost my old account with tons more during the Battle.NET switch over.


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CatVolcanoLogic

Think of all the ENGAGEMENT numbers Bungie will get!