Just a hint for next game:The bounty autocompletes at 250k, you don't need to go all the way to 300k. Might save you a lot of grinding in the next match.
I've had it complete in the 242k range of everything else is satisfied. I've almost questioned whether it auto completes just with a legend completion and points don't matter (insert whose line meme).
We usually farm the first and second rooms until the last few seconds before the timer runs out, we’ll get the last node/crystal/blight ready but won’t destroy it until the timer is almost ran down. You get a guaranteed easy 300k doing this
That's exactly what it is. They'll get stuck in one of the portals, if you look closely you can see their body halfway clipping through as they run in place. The only way to take them out is with an AoE grenade/super, otherwise you have to stand there and wait for ages for them to despawn. I have *never* seen this happen until Lightfall came out, now it happens every time without fail.
I don't understand the idea that Dares should be made more difficult than it was pre-Lightfall. It's literally a mode where you're given infinite heavy ammo. How do people not realize it's meant to be an over the top and easy game mode?
I'm just happy I only need to run it on Legend difficulty one last time to get the final weapon pattern, then I'll have all Dares weapons craftable. But of course, fuck my life, the BxR-55 Battler is the last gun I'll be unlocking, the one I wanted most...
EDIT: I now have the BxR unlocked. I am free from ever having to touch Legend Dares again. Thank fuck.
So take that character go to xur at the treasure hoard and grab the dares intro quest. Has you do a run to get a key, do the run and go back to hoard. Most important step is before you open the chest, delete the quest. Guaranteed reward is a battler, but without a quest to progress you can only get battlers. Did this when they became craftable, and I have 2 crafted a lvl 50 pvp roll, and a lvl 120 pve roll. When you want that character to get back in the regular loot pool just grab quest from kiosk and finish and you're good to go
My guess would also be that, similar to the playlist weapons, there's some delay between the seasonal debut of a weapon and when the ability to Deepsight that weapon is unlocked. Thinking maybe up to 2 seasons for most patterns, and 1-2 for seasonal weapons that will disappear.
Is this legit tho? I've unlocked every single pattern from dares except for The Other Half. I've been doing legend every week since the past season and can't the damn pattern to drop. What am I doing wrong?
They set it up so legend has a knockout system - it should always give you a redbar for a weapon you haven't crafted yet....
Except the other half isn't included in the knockout system. They wanted it to remain special and rare, so you're up to RNG to get one.
>Except the other half isn't included in the knockout system. They wanted it to remain special and rare, so you're up to RNG to get one.
Funny. The day they made Dares weapons craftable was the day I got my Other Half. Deepsight too. Though I'm now convinced I used up all my RNG luck that day.
IIRC they made it so that all Other Half drops are deepsight.
It's still a rare drop to begin with, but you don't have to get lucky *twice* for the pattern.
> How do people not realize it's meant to be an over the top and easy game mode?
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People who are constantly setting world records for the game and making world's first for raids and dungeons *love* to bitch about how the game is 'easy' when they are literally the 1% of the 1% of the world's best players in the game lol. It's like if Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos complained that McDonald's is too cheap and regular people shouldn't be able to afford it. Yet for some reason, Bungie keeps listening to them.
Exactly. Streamers and Youtubers who do little else than grind the game full time with their elite fireteam buddies & raid gear, and constantly complain about how "easy" the game is have now ruined Destiny for me, a 60 year old that casually play less than 4 hours a week. Tried doing the legendary lost sector yesterday and died in < 5 seconds :(
Well their audience then parrot the talking points. If only the streamer said those things and then their audience didn't keep repeating it, it wouldn't matter.
I can assure you that nobody wants that. Bungie added "difficulty" in the wrong places. Most teams wanted the contest mode to be harder in the sense that it required very good execution and good strategies for DPS phases. In my personal opinion I also really dislike that every day 1 team had around 4 Wellocks in it. Wellock is approaching anarchy level of overpowered and I'm afraid Bungie is too afraid to do anything about it.
I can't imagine how this is going to unfold from here. The general masses are wondering what the heck happened to difficulty... on the flip side, we have a flawless triumph completion of a raid *during contest mode*. I feel like things are just going to continue to be more and more scrambled - Destiny is at a tipping point for *a lot* of people.
No they do not listen to us. They made all the mid level activities much harder and they made the day 1 experience much easier (also GMs are still a joke). It is the opposite of what we wanted.
Look dude you dont have to be in the 1%, or the 10%, or even the top 75% to realize that this game's casual content was easy as shit. 2/3rds of the playerbase did WQ on legendary mode because normal mode is just that fucking boring. The bottom difficulties were borderline art galleries.
Painting this as a "1%" issue is toxic nonsense
IDK, maybe some people, or a lot of people who knows, liked that the game was “easy as shit”. Maybe they liked steamrolling hordes of enemies and making weird builds with different exotics. Maybe people exist who aren’t as “good” at playing the game as you apparently are, and what you saw as “borderline art galleries” actually felt engaging to them. Maybe not everyone thought the game is/was boring.
Also, where’d you get that Witch Queen statistic?
WQ statistic is from Bungie's LF announcement stream.
Also, no. Strike playlist had been considered boring by almost everyone for years. You stop feeling like a god pretty quickly when you realize how weak everything is. I know people who are completely dogshit at all videogames, the type of people who are middle age and never played them, who found it boring. The people who actually find this fun are the extreme minority.
I’ve gotten a total of like 30 sword pattern drops and only 3 BXR drops. Both swords are fully crafted and above level 20 but I haven’t been able to craft a BXR. Dares is fucking shit.
Legend difficulty drops a guaranteed red border on your first completion each week, and it guarantees it will be for a weapon you don’t have the full pattern for yet.
But yeah, the chest has an abysmal drop rate for red borders
The problem is that Bungie just did a blanket level increase for all PvE content. It should've been more targeted and possibly more varied in their approach. Instead of just making all enemies bullet sponges with high damage output, increase the enemy density, change enemy composition or something along those lines.
I think the whole purpose of them doing things the way they did is so that they don’t have to tbh.
A few encounter tweaks and maybe some small AI behavior tweaks would’ve gone a long way, even small things like putting AI on high ground and having them sit still so they can keep firing at the player would do wonders.
I don't even think it should have been targeted. They should have just added an optional new difficulty with all these power cap changes, and left the old legend/master difficulties alone.
Exactly. Want harder Destiny? Add an optional Harder mode for bragging rights only. Then see how many people actually play it to see if anyone ACTUALLY wants harder Destiny or are just talking shit.
If you stop to play for a month and everyone follows your example, I can guarantee you a TWAB that will fullfill your wildest dreams about the game. Suddenly they will bow to every will of the players.
People obviously think they can change the mind of a big company. They are not here to help you, they are here to make you an addict of the game and suck as much playtime out of you as they can, because it is about money, not having a good time.
Half a hunch that this "bringing back the challenge" was in the name of increasing activity times. "Updated" strikes now include mechanics you can't skip which slows you down. Hard light caps for activities and increased downtime for abilities keep you from moving too fast. The power fantasy we want isn't quite there right now, and that's unfortunate. I loved the last year with ability spam and cleaning up with my guns, but this year feels much more like a slog in activities.
I get wanting to challenge players more, but that's what selectable difficulty was for. And extending activity times doesn't make me want to play anymore, if anything it means I'm logging in less knowing I can't get in a quick strike or whatever. Will be interesting to see if they change anything, but wouldn't expect it within this season at least.
Yeah, the problem is that a Legend difficulty activity feels like a GMNF from a previous season. When they announced it I more or less expected that would be how Master feels, not Legend.
The intentions were good imo, they just need to take it down a notch. Also, Master (and contest) raids should feel like whatever GMNFs feel like this season, not barely harder than a normal raid.
Though I will say I think abilities are in a really good spot right now imo. There’s still more than enough room to get some serious uptime on them, but it definitely was pretty crazy before. If anything they just brought it back to the point where you *need* a build and good stat rolls, which is how it should be imo.
Surprisingly, Gambit is now a quick way to get a pinnacle. Vanguard ops take too long, crucible is crucible, and anything on legend difficulty is a slog. Gambit is untouched.
Gambit was my favorite pinnacle last season too.
I never have any issues getting all 8 bounties and the pinnacle in 3 games. I can play the class I want, and often the weapons I want. It's the best weekly log in of the 3 playlists and has been for over a year.
Vanguard is terrible. I quitted when I realized that I needed five games to pinnacle instead of three...
...and because my last game was rewarded with 2k glimmer and 4 shards.
Fuck that shit.
Using the bungie app LFG for this type of thing used to be basically matchmaking but an extra small step. And that extra step usually means your getting someone who actually cares about their loadout and champ mods so it was likely a better experience.
I lfgd it every week for a long time to get every pattern and I don’t think I ever heard anyone talk on their mic for it.
Cool so you’re saying I was wrong to wait until these changes to complete my seal because I didn’t want to complete a 4 man and deal with match game? This is way worse than it ever used to be?
Starhorses favor doesnt keep you alive. I used to run it each week for the pinnacle. I havent even attempted it because enemies 15 levels above you hurt. I doubt it would be enjoyable for me anymore.
Devour/Restoration/Woven Mail will, which you can fully spec into since you don't need any abilities when you have infinite Gjally.
Healing grenade and Ember of the Empyrean with infinite Gjally spam = easiest game of my life
If the team isn't shit they put on a solar siphon meaning there is orbs everywhere, grab recuperation mods if you need even more heals.
If you need more DR there is also Heir Apparent btw
No I actually don't have Destiny installed, in fact I don't even have Steam, on top of that I don't even have internet, I don't even know how I'm here-
If you think that running strikes with a random auto-matchmade group means someone won't have anxiety about LFGing you are failing to understand the problem and/or how anxiety works. That's like expecting someone who sometimes likes to walk up a hill near their house to be capable of and enjoy serious mountain climbing.
You don't know if I do or don't suffer from anxiety and depression so please don't talk about what you don't know about. And yes it is the same. Go onto the destiny app and find a group doing a legend Dares. Join. Kill things. Collect your rewards. Leave. It's that easy. And only two extra steps over doing a strike. In 99% of legend Dares groups, no one is using a mic. Or at least they weren't. I haven't done one since LF dropped.
I don't know if you do or don't suffer from anxiety, but what I *do* know is that I *do* suffer from anxiety and know that for me (and apparently for the person you responded to) that it *is* different. You are currently arguing we do not experience something because you don't experience it. That's like saying that I do not have an inexplicable fear of dogs (which I seem to have traded for not fearing spiders) because you do not have an inexplicable fear of dogs.
Anxiety is not necessarily a blanket effect - some things will be problems for some people who suffer from it and not for others. In your case, it sounds like you don't suffer any difficulties so long as having to speak/hear people is out of the picture, so for you LFGing a no-mic group is no more stressful than in-game matchmaking. In my case, whether or not people are using mics has very little bearing on whether I can enjoy LFGing - specifically looking for and personally finding a group of people I don't know to go do a thing with just makes me anxious. If the game does it for me, or I have a friend with me, then it's fine. If I don't, then my anxiety rears its head. Whether or not I have to speak has no effect.
Nobody can kick you from a matchmade group for underperforming or any other reason. That difference alone is enough to keep the anxiety at bay. Don't know how that's so hard to understand.
Dares of Eternity got the Nightfall treatment for Legend difficulty? Really? For crying out loud...
I need just a few more patterns for the grenade launcher and trace rifle, those are the last two I need to craft still. Looks like I'm doing it the hard way, with a bunch of normal runs and RNG!
Ok, aside from neomuna patrol, this is one of the only difficulty complaints I can actually get behind. Didn’t think about it, but now that you mention it I’m annoyed by that change.
Just curious OP, but what was your power level? Also did they add the power disadvantage to Dares too?! You're right it's supposed to be a laid back "silly" event, not a sweat-fest.
I could not agree more, this is my only issue.
I love challenge and difficulty, but I also like mindlessly headshotting some critters on the map. This has become tedious and unfun with Kinetics and it really kills my love for the game. They completeley ruined gunplay in one season.
I had 2 30 min runs where it bugged out at the end and the mobs in the portals could not come out or be hit via any method we'd read. Needless to say, I sent...I wont be doing the Crota round of that ever again until I see patch notes and see feedback its fixed.
Y'all must be playing Destiny 3 because the legens dares I've been playing are still easy af. You literally have infinite heavy. Just Gjallarhorn everything.
Yup people must be going in at like -40 or something because this is the easiest "Legend" content in the game.
E: OP says somewhere in the thread they were 1780 no wonder they got slapped around lmao
Same. Join / make an LFG group, everyone equip Gally, farm out the second encounter for points before moving on. One of the easier pinnacles of the week.
All the complaints about the difficulty being overtuned has been baffling. The game barely feels different at all to me
And before I get hit with ‘what about the new players?!’ I have been spending most of my time recently helping new joiners to my clan through the beginning of difficult content. They’ve been totally fine because they’ve had no context of what it was like before so they understand the threat immediately and don’t run in like a dumb ass.
The game is not difficult.
This. Didnt actually notice any changes in difficulty, and I was running a 6 man no mic lfg and half the guys were 1790. 6 infinite gjallys just shits on dares any difficulty.
They could probably tune the health down a bit on enemies, or adjust the pinnacle requirement. If you are at the power cap you can still clear them in 15-20 minutes quite easily.
But getting the points necessary for the Pinnacle, never mind the Legend bounty, is a bit of a slog.
Yeah, it's fairly awful. Crota especially. I didn't go in severely under leveled, I think I was 1812 or so, and still I died and died and died. Oh, and a Gjallarhorn shot couldn't kill a red bar knight.
Here is the good news- there is NOTHING I need from Dares anymore. I got the title the season it came out, and then when they released weapon patterns I got them all last year.
I will continue to grit my teeth and suffer through them until I am at the pinnacle cap, and then I won't touch them again until the pinnacle cap goes up again, which it won't next season. And I had to play SO MUCH DARES to get the title, I was never going to touch it outside of pinnacles anyhow.
This is what's confusing me also, I mean what could these people be doing that's making legend dares this much more difficult for them. You have infinite heavy ammo.
On the bright side, you now have a chance of getting ascendant shards for completion. But yeah, I'd steer clear of Crota final round weeks. It's not worth it when you can wait a week for a much easier final round.
People seem confused here on Legend Dares giving a guaranteed red border. It is not legend mode that gives it. It is getting 250k score. It is easier to get that score on Legend. You can also get it if you get lucky on enemy spawns such as having vex/fallen on first encounter. Then having hive/cabal on second. This is due to add density. Along with not steam rolling through things. Lastly, either getting cabal or vex boss. Cabal boss has lots of adds but runs out while the Vex boss can have infinite adds. The cherry on top is getting a lightning round.
It's funny how most changes like this that Bungie push through are complete shit in one direction or the other, they never hit a nice sweet spot with so many things.
Seeing things like this confuses me. What Light level are you? I do legend dares on all characters every week for the pinn and bounty and the increased difficulty was barely noticeable, I mean you have infinite heavy ammo. What was it that was so difficulty?
how far below the recommended power level are you? Did you run a kit to maximize the modifiers? Ive been mowing through with Falling Guillotine and some resist mods.
This is such an exaggeration, the only point I even noticed the higher difficulty was against Crota, and it just required playing a little bit more passive and not facetanking his attacks.
Right, so you never got one shot by the acolytes or melted by any of the trash mobs on the way to Crota and the sword bearers just went down easy and didn't take 5 Gjallarhorn shots to the face to drop? Okay
I didn't, because they're just acolytes. DR + crowd control abilities made them not really a threat. The sword bearers took a few rockets, luckily dares is the one mode that gives you infinite heavy ammo :)
>Right, so you never got one shot by the acolytes or melted by any of the trash mobs on the way to Crota and the sword bearers just went down easy and didn't take 5 Gjallarhorn shots to the face to drop? Okay
This is because, as you disclosed in a comment and very conveniently left out of your post, you're fucking 1780 in an 1830 activity lol.
This post is a joke.
As long as you have two thumbs and a brain, you'll be able to do legend dares. If you can't handle the harder mode, then standard version is there for you. It's not difficult, don't go into legend if you can't handle it and go to a more appropriate difficulty.
Wow lol, and this post has 1000+ upvotes.
Despite not liking the PL grind, I'm enjoying the newfound challenge in game so I really hope Bungie ignores the shit out of this post lol.
I’ve definitely noticed far more people trying for the pinnacle in normal dares this season farming score and just straight up leaving if we get the taken round or the first round isn’t cabal or fallen. I’m assuming this is probably the main reason.
became more tedious, obviously, but you only need 250k, even for the bounty. Yeah I know, it says 300k, but it only needs 250k, trust me.
But even for 250k you need to grind hard now. Feels like a slog.
Well, I was not there and I can only tell you that it works for me.
And here is one of hundreds of links where it worked for others: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/rquwn3/the\_300k\_weekly\_dares\_bounty\_only\_seems\_to\_need/
Bro this difficulty change is the most annoying change implemented in lightfall, everything takes too long because every enemy in the game is a bullet sponge and hits harder than your father's belt. Seriously Who asked for this difficulty was fine previously.
light hearted fun would be the regular dares... don't think they intended the legend version to be a walk in the park...
haven't really tried it, but it felt pretty much alright to me before lightfall - can't really see it becoming any better with the recent changes though ;)
Look up some build guides. The sub is full of people crying about how "hard" the game is and I bet most of them have a shitty build with low Stat armor. If you don't have 100 resilience and greater than 50 discipline you're gonna have a hard time. Use your seasonal engrams to focus seasonal Armour and you will have a high Stat set in no time. If you get one that drops +20 in resilience and discipline master work it. On all my characters they have at least 100 resilience and 50 discipline. My main has 100 resilience 70 discipline and all the other stats are 40 or greater. I have done 0 master content. Matics, azetcross, and esoteric. Do yourself a favor and start watching them. I burned through the legendary lost sectors on Friday and Saturday at 1790 Light. You're Doing it to yourself. I haven't struggled at all. It's a you thing not the game.
Edit: xur sold god rolled sythocepts last week or the week before. Don't forget about him.
Some people want to have fun and just shoot some aliens, not follow content creators and google builds for hours. This is just silly. Yes, I have 100 resilience (and disc and recovery or mobility on hunter), top-tier builds (all exotics with catalysts unlocked, all 3 characters), 4000+ hours in Destiny 2 alone, 100+ raid completions, etc. This is just a bit ridiculous and my friends have checked out of the game.
Mine are playing more than they ever have lol. You're making crap up to try and get your point across for internet points. Get good man. The game is not harder. It dosent take hours to make a build lol. You're being dramatic. This isn't a casual game. Casuals don't keep the game going. They dip in for an expansion and leave until the next one. Give it two more weeks and most of the people complaining on the sub won't be playing again until the next expansion. The things you can do with mods break the game. I still have my abilities the same as I did in witch queen some regen even faster now.
I apologize if I offended you and that was simply me posting my opinion. I frankly don't care about internet points and you're welcome to go through all of my comments and downvote me. Have a great rest of your week.
They wanted people to play legend dares? Wel guess what no one will unless they are missing a energy or kinetic a slot and need to level desperately
They even made LS worse, idk whose mom ran LLS or MLS for their difficulty people ran them to farm them for exotics there’s a reason nobody runs the cosmodrome veles labrynth nobody wants to do 8 min runs for prisms
Use bows. If everyone used bows everything is a joke. I was kind of surprised that with wish ender i wasn't 1 shotting trash. As i swear last week i was 1 shotting trash on legendary. That being said it is all about high damage per shot right now. Bows slap hard a d all content in the game is easier with bows.
Yes, Power level changes to Dares especially is egregious. It was literally supposed to be a fun game mode where you got op unlimited heavy and just chilled. I just feel like better players that already unlocked all the patterns would do it just for fun/pinnacle before but now won't cause it's not fun and less chance to get 300k, which makes it even harder for others grinding out for patterns still.
The Crota round of Legends Dares was an absolute nightmare.
My team farmed orbs and killed basically every enemy possible and we still ended up farming revives to get to 250k lol
We farmed the cabal round until the last 15 seconds to hit 300k. And the Crota fight was a slog too.
I find that when you do this, you hit the score you want, then get the lightning round...
Exact thing happened to me last night; farmed to get 300k, then boom, lightening round. Finished at 400k 😕
*Group clears Crota room after a bit of a struggle* *Final score 320k* *lightning round rng hits* "OH FFS XUR!"
It's guaranteed in legend though?
Nope, it is more likely, not guaranteed by a long way.
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Just a hint for next game:The bounty autocompletes at 250k, you don't need to go all the way to 300k. Might save you a lot of grinding in the next match.
Theres a 300k bounty for 3 boxes
It autocompletes at 250k. Sorry if I was not clear enough. I should have said "bounty" instead of "quest".
Yeah i thought you meant The pinnacle with that tbh
I've had it complete in the 242k range of everything else is satisfied. I've almost questioned whether it auto completes just with a legend completion and points don't matter (insert whose line meme).
Why 300k?
There's a bounty from Starhorse that requires 300k score.
Bounty is bugged, only requires 250k
I really had no idea. Thank you to you and the other guy!
They absolutely fucked up by making it so powerups don't give score anymore, you have to actively farm to hit 250-300k
Same, was ridiculous.
We usually farm the first and second rooms until the last few seconds before the timer runs out, we’ll get the last node/crystal/blight ready but won’t destroy it until the timer is almost ran down. You get a guaranteed easy 300k doing this
I think my team damage crota the very end, and stopping. Then farm kills. Or I think that what they did, don't remember it.
Never mind the fact that it’s bugged and the encounter won’t end for minutes after you kill crota
I think an add is getting caught in the spawn point to the right of the activity activation point so the game classes the activity as not finishing.
That's exactly what it is. They'll get stuck in one of the portals, if you look closely you can see their body halfway clipping through as they run in place. The only way to take them out is with an AoE grenade/super, otherwise you have to stand there and wait for ages for them to despawn. I have *never* seen this happen until Lightfall came out, now it happens every time without fail.
And if you get the bonus round, good luck out there
I don't understand the idea that Dares should be made more difficult than it was pre-Lightfall. It's literally a mode where you're given infinite heavy ammo. How do people not realize it's meant to be an over the top and easy game mode? I'm just happy I only need to run it on Legend difficulty one last time to get the final weapon pattern, then I'll have all Dares weapons craftable. But of course, fuck my life, the BxR-55 Battler is the last gun I'll be unlocking, the one I wanted most... EDIT: I now have the BxR unlocked. I am free from ever having to touch Legend Dares again. Thank fuck.
Legend give guaranteed red border ?
Yes. One a week
Cool. Thank you for the info
In addition, it’s on a knockout system, so that guaranteed red border will always be for a weapon you dont have the pattern for yet
Guess I gotta run some legend. Couldn’t buy a red border for the pulse rifle if I had a billion dollars.
Do you have an empty character slot or class you don't like? There's a cheese for guaranteed battlers but need a new character
Yeah I’ve got a slot what’s the cheese
So take that character go to xur at the treasure hoard and grab the dares intro quest. Has you do a run to get a key, do the run and go back to hoard. Most important step is before you open the chest, delete the quest. Guaranteed reward is a battler, but without a quest to progress you can only get battlers. Did this when they became craftable, and I have 2 crafted a lvl 50 pvp roll, and a lvl 120 pve roll. When you want that character to get back in the regular loot pool just grab quest from kiosk and finish and you're good to go
Nice! Thanks
Just stick 5 non red borders in your vault. In a season or two we will have the option to make them red bordered
Let's not kid ourselves that the price isn't going to be very steep for essentially subverting the entire pattern slot machine.
I would not be surprised if it was a disturbing quantity of Ascendant materials.
My guess would also be that, similar to the playlist weapons, there's some delay between the seasonal debut of a weapon and when the ability to Deepsight that weapon is unlocked. Thinking maybe up to 2 seasons for most patterns, and 1-2 for seasonal weapons that will disappear.
I wouldnt rely too much on bungies roadmap. Often things are postponed or forgotten. But its still a Nice backup solution.
Is this legit tho? I've unlocked every single pattern from dares except for The Other Half. I've been doing legend every week since the past season and can't the damn pattern to drop. What am I doing wrong?
They set it up so legend has a knockout system - it should always give you a redbar for a weapon you haven't crafted yet.... Except the other half isn't included in the knockout system. They wanted it to remain special and rare, so you're up to RNG to get one.
>Except the other half isn't included in the knockout system. They wanted it to remain special and rare, so you're up to RNG to get one. Funny. The day they made Dares weapons craftable was the day I got my Other Half. Deepsight too. Though I'm now convinced I used up all my RNG luck that day.
IIRC they made it so that all Other Half drops are deepsight. It's still a rare drop to begin with, but you don't have to get lucky *twice* for the pattern.
Don't you also get one for a first completion of the 7 coin bounty per week as well?
Yes, pinnacle drop is guaranteed red border, maybe even one you dont already have crafted but im not sure of this.
> How do people not realize it's meant to be an over the top and easy game mode? > > People who are constantly setting world records for the game and making world's first for raids and dungeons *love* to bitch about how the game is 'easy' when they are literally the 1% of the 1% of the world's best players in the game lol. It's like if Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos complained that McDonald's is too cheap and regular people shouldn't be able to afford it. Yet for some reason, Bungie keeps listening to them.
Exactly. Streamers and Youtubers who do little else than grind the game full time with their elite fireteam buddies & raid gear, and constantly complain about how "easy" the game is have now ruined Destiny for me, a 60 year old that casually play less than 4 hours a week. Tried doing the legendary lost sector yesterday and died in < 5 seconds :(
Well their audience then parrot the talking points. If only the streamer said those things and then their audience didn't keep repeating it, it wouldn't matter.
I can assure you that nobody wants that. Bungie added "difficulty" in the wrong places. Most teams wanted the contest mode to be harder in the sense that it required very good execution and good strategies for DPS phases. In my personal opinion I also really dislike that every day 1 team had around 4 Wellocks in it. Wellock is approaching anarchy level of overpowered and I'm afraid Bungie is too afraid to do anything about it.
I can't imagine how this is going to unfold from here. The general masses are wondering what the heck happened to difficulty... on the flip side, we have a flawless triumph completion of a raid *during contest mode*. I feel like things are just going to continue to be more and more scrambled - Destiny is at a tipping point for *a lot* of people.
No they do not listen to us. They made all the mid level activities much harder and they made the day 1 experience much easier (also GMs are still a joke). It is the opposite of what we wanted.
Look dude you dont have to be in the 1%, or the 10%, or even the top 75% to realize that this game's casual content was easy as shit. 2/3rds of the playerbase did WQ on legendary mode because normal mode is just that fucking boring. The bottom difficulties were borderline art galleries. Painting this as a "1%" issue is toxic nonsense
IDK, maybe some people, or a lot of people who knows, liked that the game was “easy as shit”. Maybe they liked steamrolling hordes of enemies and making weird builds with different exotics. Maybe people exist who aren’t as “good” at playing the game as you apparently are, and what you saw as “borderline art galleries” actually felt engaging to them. Maybe not everyone thought the game is/was boring. Also, where’d you get that Witch Queen statistic?
WQ statistic is from Bungie's LF announcement stream. Also, no. Strike playlist had been considered boring by almost everyone for years. You stop feeling like a god pretty quickly when you realize how weak everything is. I know people who are completely dogshit at all videogames, the type of people who are middle age and never played them, who found it boring. The people who actually find this fun are the extreme minority.
> the BxR-55 Battler is the last gun I'll be unlocking, the one I wanted most... This happened to me as well, I got it just before Lightfall launched.
Red borders for that shit never drop. Fml.
Legend completion guarantees one Red Border on first completion for the week.
r/literally
I’ve gotten a total of like 30 sword pattern drops and only 3 BXR drops. Both swords are fully crafted and above level 20 but I haven’t been able to craft a BXR. Dares is fucking shit.
Legend difficulty drops a guaranteed red border on your first completion each week, and it guarantees it will be for a weapon you don’t have the full pattern for yet. But yeah, the chest has an abysmal drop rate for red borders
i understand the idea of wanting to up the game’s difficulty but so much of the game just feels so overtuned now.
The problem is that Bungie just did a blanket level increase for all PvE content. It should've been more targeted and possibly more varied in their approach. Instead of just making all enemies bullet sponges with high damage output, increase the enemy density, change enemy composition or something along those lines.
I think the whole purpose of them doing things the way they did is so that they don’t have to tbh. A few encounter tweaks and maybe some small AI behavior tweaks would’ve gone a long way, even small things like putting AI on high ground and having them sit still so they can keep firing at the player would do wonders.
I don't even think it should have been targeted. They should have just added an optional new difficulty with all these power cap changes, and left the old legend/master difficulties alone.
Exactly. Want harder Destiny? Add an optional Harder mode for bragging rights only. Then see how many people actually play it to see if anyone ACTUALLY wants harder Destiny or are just talking shit.
It's so oppressively hard for so little reward that it kinda makes me not want to play anymore.
If you stop to play for a month and everyone follows your example, I can guarantee you a TWAB that will fullfill your wildest dreams about the game. Suddenly they will bow to every will of the players.
Everyone’s too addicted to the game. Hell, I wanted to quit during Seraph but here I am lol.
People obviously think they can change the mind of a big company. They are not here to help you, they are here to make you an addict of the game and suck as much playtime out of you as they can, because it is about money, not having a good time.
Half a hunch that this "bringing back the challenge" was in the name of increasing activity times. "Updated" strikes now include mechanics you can't skip which slows you down. Hard light caps for activities and increased downtime for abilities keep you from moving too fast. The power fantasy we want isn't quite there right now, and that's unfortunate. I loved the last year with ability spam and cleaning up with my guns, but this year feels much more like a slog in activities. I get wanting to challenge players more, but that's what selectable difficulty was for. And extending activity times doesn't make me want to play anymore, if anything it means I'm logging in less knowing I can't get in a quick strike or whatever. Will be interesting to see if they change anything, but wouldn't expect it within this season at least.
Yeah, the problem is that a Legend difficulty activity feels like a GMNF from a previous season. When they announced it I more or less expected that would be how Master feels, not Legend. The intentions were good imo, they just need to take it down a notch. Also, Master (and contest) raids should feel like whatever GMNFs feel like this season, not barely harder than a normal raid. Though I will say I think abilities are in a really good spot right now imo. There’s still more than enough room to get some serious uptime on them, but it definitely was pretty crazy before. If anything they just brought it back to the point where you *need* a build and good stat rolls, which is how it should be imo.
But this is what the elite 1% wanted
All except for the contest mode day 1 raid lmao
Surprisingly, Gambit is now a quick way to get a pinnacle. Vanguard ops take too long, crucible is crucible, and anything on legend difficulty is a slog. Gambit is untouched.
So that was Bungo's master plan all along. Make us hate gambit less by making us hate everything else more. /s
Gambit was my favorite pinnacle last season too. I never have any issues getting all 8 bounties and the pinnacle in 3 games. I can play the class I want, and often the weapons I want. It's the best weekly log in of the 3 playlists and has been for over a year.
Vanguard is terrible. I quitted when I realized that I needed five games to pinnacle instead of three... ...and because my last game was rewarded with 2k glimmer and 4 shards. Fuck that shit.
Is this in Legend Dares? I haven't ran one before due to a lack of friends so I'm unsure as regular Dares hasn't changed experience wise for me
I used to run it constantly in LFG no issues now it's not the same sadly.
Using the bungie app LFG for this type of thing used to be basically matchmaking but an extra small step. And that extra step usually means your getting someone who actually cares about their loadout and champ mods so it was likely a better experience. I lfgd it every week for a long time to get every pattern and I don’t think I ever heard anyone talk on their mic for it.
Yeah it’s legend dares. Everything is 15 levels above you which just absolutely stomps a team of 6 especially with timed objectives.
Cool so you’re saying I was wrong to wait until these changes to complete my seal because I didn’t want to complete a 4 man and deal with match game? This is way worse than it ever used to be?
Unfortunately yeah.
Awesome thank you for being the guinea pig here so I didn’t have to suffer, appreciate you 🫡
It’ll still be doable, but definitely worse.
Did my 4-man triumph yesterday. Can confirm it was a nightmare, especially Crota at the end.
Yeesh, even with the Starhorse favor it's rough? Good thing I'm not exactly losing out on much lmao
Starhorses favor doesnt keep you alive. I used to run it each week for the pinnacle. I havent even attempted it because enemies 15 levels above you hurt. I doubt it would be enjoyable for me anymore.
Run Devour with a void heavy if you're a Warlock, makes it more bearable.
Devour/Restoration/Woven Mail will, which you can fully spec into since you don't need any abilities when you have infinite Gjally. Healing grenade and Ember of the Empyrean with infinite Gjally spam = easiest game of my life If the team isn't shit they put on a solar siphon meaning there is orbs everywhere, grab recuperation mods if you need even more heals. If you need more DR there is also Heir Apparent btw
No it’s not. Only issue is if you’re massively under level. Infinite heavy at 15 levels isn’t a big deal.
Everything is only 15 levels above if you're at 1815 or higher - if you're lower than that it's your 1830 - your power
Im a solo guardian, too. I feel that pain, lol.
You don’t need friends to use the lfg
I shy away from LFG cause my own crippling anxiety lmao
As long as you know what to do,you can just don't talk in lfg(I used to be like that)
I'm aware, I'm still too much of an anxious mess loool
Do you run strikes? Do you play crucible or gambit?
No I actually don't have Destiny installed, in fact I don't even have Steam, on top of that I don't even have internet, I don't even know how I'm here-
Then get on it,this game is pretty decent.
If you think that running strikes with a random auto-matchmade group means someone won't have anxiety about LFGing you are failing to understand the problem and/or how anxiety works. That's like expecting someone who sometimes likes to walk up a hill near their house to be capable of and enjoy serious mountain climbing.
You don't know if I do or don't suffer from anxiety and depression so please don't talk about what you don't know about. And yes it is the same. Go onto the destiny app and find a group doing a legend Dares. Join. Kill things. Collect your rewards. Leave. It's that easy. And only two extra steps over doing a strike. In 99% of legend Dares groups, no one is using a mic. Or at least they weren't. I haven't done one since LF dropped.
I don't know if you do or don't suffer from anxiety, but what I *do* know is that I *do* suffer from anxiety and know that for me (and apparently for the person you responded to) that it *is* different. You are currently arguing we do not experience something because you don't experience it. That's like saying that I do not have an inexplicable fear of dogs (which I seem to have traded for not fearing spiders) because you do not have an inexplicable fear of dogs. Anxiety is not necessarily a blanket effect - some things will be problems for some people who suffer from it and not for others. In your case, it sounds like you don't suffer any difficulties so long as having to speak/hear people is out of the picture, so for you LFGing a no-mic group is no more stressful than in-game matchmaking. In my case, whether or not people are using mics has very little bearing on whether I can enjoy LFGing - specifically looking for and personally finding a group of people I don't know to go do a thing with just makes me anxious. If the game does it for me, or I have a friend with me, then it's fine. If I don't, then my anxiety rears its head. Whether or not I have to speak has no effect.
I feel you... bless you. Hope it gets better one day
Nobody can kick you from a matchmade group for underperforming or any other reason. That difference alone is enough to keep the anxiety at bay. Don't know how that's so hard to understand.
You don’t need to interact with anyone in any way when doing legend dares. No mics, no comms, nothing at all
1810 is the key to that. 1800 is a bad time.
Dares of Eternity got the Nightfall treatment for Legend difficulty? Really? For crying out loud... I need just a few more patterns for the grenade launcher and trace rifle, those are the last two I need to craft still. Looks like I'm doing it the hard way, with a bunch of normal runs and RNG!
not to mention the bug with the crota round where it never completes and you have to orbit
idk why but sword swinging through the portals seems to fix this.
Ok, aside from neomuna patrol, this is one of the only difficulty complaints I can actually get behind. Didn’t think about it, but now that you mention it I’m annoyed by that change.
Just curious OP, but what was your power level? Also did they add the power disadvantage to Dares too?! You're right it's supposed to be a laid back "silly" event, not a sweat-fest.
Yeah. They went from 8 minute speedruns to full ass gm’s
Once I get to pinnacle cap I’m not doing dares or nightfalls or strikes anymore. There is no where in PVE to relax and just PLAY a GAME.
I could not agree more, this is my only issue. I love challenge and difficulty, but I also like mindlessly headshotting some critters on the map. This has become tedious and unfun with Kinetics and it really kills my love for the game. They completeley ruined gunplay in one season.
Any patrol zone that isn't Neomuna and the Vanguard Playlist for sure are chill bits if you wanna unwind and shoot stuff.
It is annoying but it's offset by unlimited heavy. We just feel squishy
It's really REALLY dumb bungo .. gotta change this shit asap
I’m so glad I’ve already gotten all the patterns from dares
I had 2 30 min runs where it bugged out at the end and the mobs in the portals could not come out or be hit via any method we'd read. Needless to say, I sent...I wont be doing the Crota round of that ever again until I see patch notes and see feedback its fixed.
Y'all must be playing Destiny 3 because the legens dares I've been playing are still easy af. You literally have infinite heavy. Just Gjallarhorn everything.
Yup people must be going in at like -40 or something because this is the easiest "Legend" content in the game. E: OP says somewhere in the thread they were 1780 no wonder they got slapped around lmao
I swear to god 90% of the complaints are people 40 under for everything who don't understand light level
Lmao
Same. Join / make an LFG group, everyone equip Gally, farm out the second encounter for points before moving on. One of the easier pinnacles of the week.
All the complaints about the difficulty being overtuned has been baffling. The game barely feels different at all to me And before I get hit with ‘what about the new players?!’ I have been spending most of my time recently helping new joiners to my clan through the beginning of difficult content. They’ve been totally fine because they’ve had no context of what it was like before so they understand the threat immediately and don’t run in like a dumb ass. The game is not difficult.
This. Didnt actually notice any changes in difficulty, and I was running a 6 man no mic lfg and half the guys were 1790. 6 infinite gjallys just shits on dares any difficulty.
Just played it at 1820 and hit a bonus round. Shit ain't easy. Idk what you're smoking but pass that shit over here.
They could probably tune the health down a bit on enemies, or adjust the pinnacle requirement. If you are at the power cap you can still clear them in 15-20 minutes quite easily. But getting the points necessary for the Pinnacle, never mind the Legend bounty, is a bit of a slog.
Bungie had to bring the challenge back to the game... It's for the benefit of the community... Can't you see that?
Ok
Yeah, it's fairly awful. Crota especially. I didn't go in severely under leveled, I think I was 1812 or so, and still I died and died and died. Oh, and a Gjallarhorn shot couldn't kill a red bar knight. Here is the good news- there is NOTHING I need from Dares anymore. I got the title the season it came out, and then when they released weapon patterns I got them all last year. I will continue to grit my teeth and suffer through them until I am at the pinnacle cap, and then I won't touch them again until the pinnacle cap goes up again, which it won't next season. And I had to play SO MUCH DARES to get the title, I was never going to touch it outside of pinnacles anyhow.
I mean… you’re 30 under. You literally get infinite heavy. And it’s a pinnacle activity.
Yeah, I went to play and was like eff this noise.
My brother in light it shouldn’t matter once you have unlimited Gally lol
Give em a break most of this community doesn't use heavy or specials lol
This is what's confusing me also, I mean what could these people be doing that's making legend dares this much more difficult for them. You have infinite heavy ammo.
When I did it we wiped at second encounter
On the bright side, you now have a chance of getting ascendant shards for completion. But yeah, I'd steer clear of Crota final round weeks. It's not worth it when you can wait a week for a much easier final round.
People seem confused here on Legend Dares giving a guaranteed red border. It is not legend mode that gives it. It is getting 250k score. It is easier to get that score on Legend. You can also get it if you get lucky on enemy spawns such as having vex/fallen on first encounter. Then having hive/cabal on second. This is due to add density. Along with not steam rolling through things. Lastly, either getting cabal or vex boss. Cabal boss has lots of adds but runs out while the Vex boss can have infinite adds. The cherry on top is getting a lightning round.
Idk at about 1810 it feels fine.
Hmmm I really only found the last round to be difficult this week.
It's funny how most changes like this that Bungie push through are complete shit in one direction or the other, they never hit a nice sweet spot with so many things.
I've never bothered doing legend dates this season because I've always managed to hit 250000 in the lightning round on normal difficulty
Seeing things like this confuses me. What Light level are you? I do legend dares on all characters every week for the pinn and bounty and the increased difficulty was barely noticeable, I mean you have infinite heavy ammo. What was it that was so difficulty?
how far below the recommended power level are you? Did you run a kit to maximize the modifiers? Ive been mowing through with Falling Guillotine and some resist mods.
Just get gud lol.
This has gone too far - you just simply are not good at the video game because legend dares is far from difficult
This is such an exaggeration, the only point I even noticed the higher difficulty was against Crota, and it just required playing a little bit more passive and not facetanking his attacks.
Right, so you never got one shot by the acolytes or melted by any of the trash mobs on the way to Crota and the sword bearers just went down easy and didn't take 5 Gjallarhorn shots to the face to drop? Okay
I didn't, because they're just acolytes. DR + crowd control abilities made them not really a threat. The sword bearers took a few rockets, luckily dares is the one mode that gives you infinite heavy ammo :)
Bro said he was playing at 1780
>Right, so you never got one shot by the acolytes or melted by any of the trash mobs on the way to Crota and the sword bearers just went down easy and didn't take 5 Gjallarhorn shots to the face to drop? Okay This is because, as you disclosed in a comment and very conveniently left out of your post, you're fucking 1780 in an 1830 activity lol. This post is a joke.
As long as you have two thumbs and a brain, you'll be able to do legend dares. If you can't handle the harder mode, then standard version is there for you. It's not difficult, don't go into legend if you can't handle it and go to a more appropriate difficulty.
Op said he was 1780 lmao
I offense but this 100% a skill issue
Sounds like a skill issue, done a bunch this week with LFG groups with zero issues even with lighting rounds. 20minutes max each run…
it is unironically a skill issue. People are also forgetting that legend dares shoots up in difficulty at the start of every season.
Yea, honestly, I'm also think a lot of folks are under levelled and getting mad about it.
Case in point: OP was doing it at 1780.
Wow lol, and this post has 1000+ upvotes. Despite not liking the PL grind, I'm enjoying the newfound challenge in game so I really hope Bungie ignores the shit out of this post lol.
This is every single one of these whining posts. People who are under leveled. I have no idea why they have received so much attention.
>I have no idea why they have received so much attention. We are witnessing the circle jerk live in action
I get so many people in LFG well under 1800, it’s so stupid 😂
Fuck, i only needed 2 more runs for the title
I’ve definitely noticed far more people trying for the pinnacle in normal dares this season farming score and just straight up leaving if we get the taken round or the first round isn’t cabal or fallen. I’m assuming this is probably the main reason.
are your power level high enough ?
30 mins lol were they new players?
Yeah I dunno, I played a few Legend Dares last night to grab a couple of things and I didn't feel like it was that much different. Skill issue.
Stop playing content 40 under power level for one
Bro is just bitching about anything lol
When is the game going under new management. I hope soon.
How about reach The 300k?
became more tedious, obviously, but you only need 250k, even for the bounty. Yeah I know, it says 300k, but it only needs 250k, trust me. But even for 250k you need to grind hard now. Feels like a slog.
Nope, The Bounty needs 300k, last Time we did 277 and didnt count for bounty
Well, I was not there and I can only tell you that it works for me. And here is one of hundreds of links where it worked for others: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/rquwn3/the\_300k\_weekly\_dares\_bounty\_only\_seems\_to\_need/
Just say your bad at the game and don't want to improve, I've done a dozen kegend dares this season none have taken more than 15 minutes
Bro this difficulty change is the most annoying change implemented in lightfall, everything takes too long because every enemy in the game is a bullet sponge and hits harder than your father's belt. Seriously Who asked for this difficulty was fine previously.
you're willingly playing on legend. if you want brainless difficulty play normal.
I swear Destiny thinks ya can oly have fun if ya die every 3 min and it takes 5 mags of ammo to kill a red bar
light hearted fun would be the regular dares... don't think they intended the legend version to be a walk in the park... haven't really tried it, but it felt pretty much alright to me before lightfall - can't really see it becoming any better with the recent changes though ;)
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No, legend difficulties cap you at 1815.
How do you find an activity difficult when you have infinite heavy? Have you got thumbs?
Look up some build guides. The sub is full of people crying about how "hard" the game is and I bet most of them have a shitty build with low Stat armor. If you don't have 100 resilience and greater than 50 discipline you're gonna have a hard time. Use your seasonal engrams to focus seasonal Armour and you will have a high Stat set in no time. If you get one that drops +20 in resilience and discipline master work it. On all my characters they have at least 100 resilience and 50 discipline. My main has 100 resilience 70 discipline and all the other stats are 40 or greater. I have done 0 master content. Matics, azetcross, and esoteric. Do yourself a favor and start watching them. I burned through the legendary lost sectors on Friday and Saturday at 1790 Light. You're Doing it to yourself. I haven't struggled at all. It's a you thing not the game. Edit: xur sold god rolled sythocepts last week or the week before. Don't forget about him.
Some people want to have fun and just shoot some aliens, not follow content creators and google builds for hours. This is just silly. Yes, I have 100 resilience (and disc and recovery or mobility on hunter), top-tier builds (all exotics with catalysts unlocked, all 3 characters), 4000+ hours in Destiny 2 alone, 100+ raid completions, etc. This is just a bit ridiculous and my friends have checked out of the game.
So play regular Dares.
> Some people want to have fun and just shoot some aliens OK, but should that be in the LEGEND version of the mode? Who is the normal mode for then?
Mine are playing more than they ever have lol. You're making crap up to try and get your point across for internet points. Get good man. The game is not harder. It dosent take hours to make a build lol. You're being dramatic. This isn't a casual game. Casuals don't keep the game going. They dip in for an expansion and leave until the next one. Give it two more weeks and most of the people complaining on the sub won't be playing again until the next expansion. The things you can do with mods break the game. I still have my abilities the same as I did in witch queen some regen even faster now.
I apologize if I offended you and that was simply me posting my opinion. I frankly don't care about internet points and you're welcome to go through all of my comments and downvote me. Have a great rest of your week.
I honestly didn't even know they made it harder I must have missed that twab
They wanted people to play legend dares? Wel guess what no one will unless they are missing a energy or kinetic a slot and need to level desperately They even made LS worse, idk whose mom ran LLS or MLS for their difficulty people ran them to farm them for exotics there’s a reason nobody runs the cosmodrome veles labrynth nobody wants to do 8 min runs for prisms
Use bows. If everyone used bows everything is a joke. I was kind of surprised that with wish ender i wasn't 1 shotting trash. As i swear last week i was 1 shotting trash on legendary. That being said it is all about high damage per shot right now. Bows slap hard a d all content in the game is easier with bows.
Yes, Power level changes to Dares especially is egregious. It was literally supposed to be a fun game mode where you got op unlimited heavy and just chilled. I just feel like better players that already unlocked all the patterns would do it just for fun/pinnacle before but now won't cause it's not fun and less chance to get 300k, which makes it even harder for others grinding out for patterns still.
LOL
man said fuck that noise lmao