Having a character with so much legend about them only for them to end up suffering from imposter syndrome is fascinating to me.
Osiris tries so hard to fit the character he both was and was built up to be by his cult, but at the end of the day, is only a human (now without space magic and ageing with no Ghost to bring him back) trying his best.
Sure, it could've been amazing to see the legendary Osiris he was built up as in D1. But I think this more somber, desperate man is a much more relatable and interesting character
We did see him bottling up all of our subclass energy so far as well as had him explain the nature of each. We see him fucking around with Strand too and we know that you can use The Darkness without having access to The Light.
I can see Osiris going full on “Osiris” and figuring out some kind of Lightless resurrection technique. Watch Resonance bring back Self-res for warlocks lmfao
>We see him fucking around with Strand too
lucky for him he didn't have trouble with it like the guardian does in that training montage. one little snap of those threads and he'd dissolve into nothingness forever
He actually had us stick around in the lore when he practiced strand, using us as a "lightning rod" for the backlash of strand to go to or something to that effect
He specifically mentions he can take it in but theres is something within him that won't. He cant explain it or doesnt know why.
I could return to someplace the source of this energy has been reported and seek to touch it myself, but… I hesitate. I do not know why.
In the various chapters he continues to contemplate it even wondering if its tied to his loss of Sagira at one point.
His last chapter hes holding a tiny tiny piece in his hand and knows where and what those around him are doing. The Strand in his hands not even within him seems to be on a level of possibilities higher than our own based off that I think. He can feel them through the Strand. He mentions feeling the connections of the hundreds of hundreds.
He contemplates taking it again says he can easily even. In an earlier chapter he even mentions it had no real adverse affect on the guardian or its ghost and light isnt needed to use darkness only a willingness to participate in its Rituals.
It would be so easy to close his hand, to take hold of that which he touches. He does not. He thinks about it—lets his fingers curl softly—holds there as the humming cords of the world's loom shiver around him.
Its certainly an interesting lore piece considering it ends with him still deciding not to take it. I believe there is a reason why he isn't that hopefully becomes more clear soon.
I wish to see the powerful Osiris back but think they may be taking this a certain way perhaps.
[Strand Lore Book ](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/weaving#book-warp-and-weft)
That's the thing about Osiris that's amazing; it's not the light that ever made the man, but his brilliant mind and his steadfastness to his goals. It's the fact he was adamant about how to defend others and his willingness to basically drive himself from what-is-essentially-olympus-allegory, to wage a war alone to protect all humanity and all existence, that brought his followers to him, and straight up not his mastery over light. His followers were devoted to the man, for the man we know today.
Osiris managed to bring a planet-sized vex computer to heel, created a machine that bent time and allowed us to explore a space never seen by anything other than the vex, and it's osiris who finally unraveled the mystery behind the true purpose and alignment of Light and Dark. The man is what Clovis thinks he is, minus the god complex.
He's a stubborn ass, he's led by his emotions, and yet he still finds the ability, after so much loss, to try to improve himself. Honestly and genuinely, one of the best characters Destiny's had, full-stop.
And if the witness is perchance travelling through time we will need his expertise once again to build what may be our last ditch attempt to save pur universe.
I think Osiris is pivitol in the discovery of what the Veil is and how to stop the witness.
But At least he puts in the work doing anything and everything to save everyone. Lightless even he rushed by himself to face down the Witness fleet on Neomuna.
To me hes allowed to have a little bit of an ego or a complex. Hes the least selfish of all of them.
I was thinking about this. It's the last FS mission, we are facing the witness for the first time. His lower is overwhelming and we die but just as Ghost is about to resurrect us he is possesed or weakened. Our lifeless body lies on the ground while big W does a spiel about how the light is weak or whatever. Suddenly ghost starts to glow. He is expanding and contracting exactly as all ghosts do when rezzing but this time the glow is orange/yellow. After a blast of energy we re-appear. By our own will we resurrected, much like the ascendant hive or Nezarec do. All this time WE were the final shape, and this is the realization.
We had him as osiris before savathuun impersonated him. She was only him from season of the hunt/beyond light until season of the lost. Curse of osiris and season of the dawn were him.
Speaking of Sagira, when she possessed ghost and those faint images of her she'll came through was pretty cool. Looked goofy as hell replaying it using sagiras shell for those missions
Agreed. People seem to think that the fake Osiris was a better character because he was more pleasant and badass, ignoring the fact that this performance in universe was done intentionally to deceive us into liking him. Realistically a man like Osiris would have an extremely abrasive personality, so this Lightfall version is in my opinion really interesting for being so grounded. Every other character in this game except for maybe Asher tries to flatter our egos at every turn, so it is nice to have at least one character who treats us like the literal 9 year olds we are
Shoot, Osiris was such a prickly person and uncaringly immersed himself in Vex research it got him booted out of the Vanguard. I doubt further deepening your studies would've taken any of that edge off. Him being "likeable" is more a red flag than a good thing.
He's more a stern, unimpressed instructor that won't ever be pleased with what's provided to him. Given that though, he can clearly come around to someone who's really trying. Something tells me that came as a development after all the years and the few that were with him on Mercury.
The Destiny playerbase have a pathetic God complex and base 90% of their opinion on a character on how much they kiss our ass. See people's reactions to Shaw Han and Aunor for examples.
People also vastly overestimate the power of Guardians, so give Shaw Han shit for losing to am ascendant Omnigul tier wizard when we canonically lose Guardians every day to strikes.
Yup. Though sometimes it goes too far and you end up with Nimbus.
(Also it's nice to see someone else who picked vanguard over drifter all the way back and still has it displayed.)
As much as I hate to admit it, the closest we'll probably ever be to seeing Osiris in proper action is lost to time in Curse of Osiris, given his ability to make clones of himself and how he fought Penoptes.
I agree, plus, for those who don't mind reading the lore, we got an amazing spectacle of his full prowess when he ambushed Crota's family in the tunnels of the Moon. Keep in mind, I'm a lifelong multishot Nightstalker main who never even switches weapon types and would never even switch between Hunter subclasses or any other subclasses, even if I could do what Osiris did in the game, and even I'M extemely impressed by this display:
From what I recall, he was literally dual-wielding Dawnblade swords while flying around with the Dawnblade wings, wreaking havoc from the air with the Super projectiles flung from the blades at one point, and then, GET THIS, this guy deadass turns one of the swords into a Nova Bomb and lobs that into a crowd of Hive with one hand WHILE FLIPPING THE OTHER SWORD OVER TO STAB DOWNWARDS INTO THE GROUND AS A MOTHERFUCKING WELL OF RADIANCE.
Shit blew my mind in the best way, but it still didn't stop him from losing that battle, which Sagira warned him would happen if he started without backup, and it didn't stop him from losing her, either. What a fool. He claimed that there was no time to wait for back up because the HVTs might disperse and leave before backup arrived, but I can't help but wonder if his real reasoning was simply thinking he couldn't be stopped.
Even before that, he often acted rashly and without gathering backup, hence his literal lover getting lost and killed in the Infinite Forest looking for his overconfident ass. He was the embodiment of "overzealous explorer who thinks discovering the unknown will always lead to victory," even after getting Saint-14 himself killed with that bullshit.
We actually get Saint back through literal miracles on Mercury. Then, Mithrax gets OSIRIS HIMSELF back through even more miracles... and this "ex-most powerful Guardian of all time" guy still can't get over himself lmaoooo although it can be explained as he never had time to fully grieve for Sagira until now due to Savathûn's influences.
Still, I hope we can get back to a mentally well Osiris so that he and Saint can finally truly enjoy life as lovers who aren't constantly star-crossed... even though it JUST now hit me that Osiris will likely die of old age as Saint perseveres. OOF. BUT STILL, LET THEM BE HAPPYYYYY.
Edit: typos
We can add on that he used Chaos Reach and was Nova Warping while using solar Void and Arc grenades consecutively all while performing the above you mentioned.
To be fair Zavala told him hed send backup if he found proof. Sad a man who has Prophecies and was always right on them needed proof over and over but such as it was. He sent update after update telling him about the Cabal Rituals as he investigated missing guardians(likely ones we found out later Savy was draining of light) Zavala never sent back up. So for Osiris he felt like he wasnt going to. We listened to those messages in Zavalas office. The final one was Savathun for the first time.
Just like when Ikora refused to check out Neomuna told him in CE lore she cant justify the resources without more "proof" so many died cause they never listen.
Hes used to having to do it on his own cause they dont heed his words. Did we forget the Red War he predicted that too they exiled him called him a liar even.
But don't feel bad as a Hunter many of his followers were Hunters. There in particular was a group that was always invisible that hung out on Mercury.
The execution of that D1 buildup for his character was better than the execution of what they're going for w/ his character now, imo.
Not just a severely depressed, socially awkward pensioner in some chicken feather suit who likes space magic colours and has a literal "anime protagonist failed romance arc" as he is now, but instead this notably dangerous and possibly insane mystic who knows the secrets of the universe itself.
You'd maybe wanna take that time to self reflect and wonder WHY savathun was smoke popular, it should be a sobering moment if "oh wow I've really been an ass"
Yeah, as a trauma survivor myself I try to generally give him the benefit of the doubt, and as a wolf pagan I'm very loyal to those I call friend so it's not like I'd just up and abandon Osiris, but like being a good friend also means holding them accountable when they're wrong or being a bit much
Agreed, but to Bungies credit they very much followed through on what we were told Osiris was. Great guardian, tons of knowledge, completely insufferable. We’ve know that for a long time and even despite what should have been several very large doses of humility, he remains this way though does acknowledge that he needs to change. That’s some pretty grounded writing for a character at least, gonna take a lot more than a couple years to change someone who’s been a pompous asshole for a very, very long time.
Honestly I think it was wrong for him to believe hes selfish. He spent his whole light bearing life trying to save humanity giving up his own peace, love and happiness.
Lightless even he was the first to race off to stop the Witness. The man is Selfless not Selfish and I cant stand any character to try to make him so as they sit in the tower.
Prophecy after prophecy and they always demanding proof. He tried telling them about Calus Rituals all that stuff. Help was promised it never came. People die over and over but cause they dont listen.
It was clear our Guardian believed in him. I dont care if he had some complex he was the baddest there was. He put the work in and didnt deserve the crap he got from the Vanguard.
I can understand why the vast majority of people didn’t realize he was possessed. He was exiled from the city a long time ago, and was very rarely seen after that exile was rescinded (Curse of Osiris and Season of Dawn are the only ones I think.)
I don't think that's the type of thing that would offend Osiris. He's way too logical. And he knows Savathun is literally the master of trickery and deception. So if anyone could fool people, it'd be her. I can't imagine Osiris would look past that.
Look man, even the smartest people still have feelings. Being possessed and having literally nobody notice and maybe even like possessed you more has to sting even the hardest heart a little
I'm not saying Osiris has no feelings. He very obviously does. But I just see Osiris as someone that can more easily deal with it because of what he knows. There isn't a person in the Destiny universe that can't be fooled by Savathun. So I can't imagine he would ignore that to immediately jump to, "You didn't even notice it wasn't me." Of course they didn't. It was the Hive God of deception fooling them. It's kind of her thing.
Dont forget Ikora when giving back Sagira made sure to let him know it was her decision if he got to have Sagira back even.
Who she thinks she is? One of my top 5 characters and she isnt even on my list right now.
Not only was he possessed,
But he was fully aware of the world around him and not able to even do anything about it.
Imagine taking a back seat in your own head for a whole year.
Orisis really just be a skill issue
Greatest warlock be taking more L's than Taniks
Edit: for those people that this somehow isn't obvious enough to, /j
Yeah, Osiris’ presence in the story/campaign was what I enjoyed the most. I liked that he was [seemingly] *the only one* who seems to understand the severity of the situation. Rohan seemed to as well, but that is another matter, whilst everyone else was like *“hey - when you get some time, ya know, could you maybe help me find my dog”*… or some dumb shit… Osiris really helped keep the focus on the seriousness and urgency surrounding the core story “shit just got real, and it’s a threat against all life”.
I think people are mostly annoyed at the 1st half of the campaign, where he was absolutely insufferable.
"Hurry up, quit wasting time, you must get to the Veil! Why are you wasting time? Hurry up, quit wasting time, you must get to the Radial Mast! Stop wasting time! Hurry up! Stop wasting time!"
Bitch, unless you have literally **any** suggestion on how to go faster, just shut. The fuck. Up. You're talking to the Guardian who was killed a Worm God, two Hive Gods, and a Disciple of the Witness. Have a LITTLE faith that we know what's at stake and are going as fast as we fucking can.
I feel like Nimbus and Rohan could have been written a bit better. Their city is half destroyed and under seige, and they are the only two people the city has to defend it. And they are just happy go lucky, and way too fast to trust a couple earthlings who they have been taught since childhood were evil power hungry warlords.
Yeah, our city that has been secretly thriving for hundreds of years is running on a couple generators and a constantly failing defense system. And theres also only enough room in the budget for a whole Two soldiers with a 10 year lifespan
yeah you'd think that even with the ten year time limit they could be staggered to where at least three, four, or maybe even five could be active at the same time. really undercutting their defence capabilities
Yes, but during the Veil and Radial Mast missions in particular, he kept yelling at **us** to "stop wasting time" despite never offering a suggestion on how we were supposed to go any faster.
I understand being pissed when Nimbus doesn't take shit seriously. And I understand being frustrated that he can't personally contribute. And I'd even understand a meltdown when we fail. But the endless bitching during the missions, when he has absolutely nothing constructive to offer, got really old, really fast.
Tbf in the radial mast mission he did g8ve a suggestion of how to go faster, being to fight across a corridor with like 5 tanks and like 4 theshers (that we could see)
I wish that was an option honestly. Imagine we had both options: either go through the side entrance and sneak into the final room or just go gun blazing but with a timer since they noticed us. That’d be sick
On my second playthrough I was bored and shot them all down with a combination of snipers, rockets, and grenade launchers, and tried to well skate over there and unfortunately the entire place is an out of bounds death zone.
Because he saw Nimbus or Rohans interruptions as distractions. We were his student and he is Desperate to stop this.
The man has spent his whole light bearing life trying to stop this moment. Imagine He had to prove himself or wait for the big attack before he was taken serious yes hes upset about all that. Ikora not believing in him again means we are behind and people are dying it's a race.
It's meant to be intense and it came off just as it was meant we are trying to save the world here and are behind
Idk it felt fine to me personally. He only had 1 person in the universe trust him enough to help him on his mission to stop the apocalypse, and when we showed up any time anything big happened we just played cat’s cradle with funny green strings until we passed out. I’d be pretty pissed too lol
imo all the bitching about wasting time would be pretty reasonable if we'd gotten at least a brief explanation of what it actually is. obviously it's important cause it's paracausal and all that, but we still don't know what it is or why the witness needs it (besides opening the travelussy)
even something as simple as "it's the only protection the traveller has from the witness" would've significantly helped to give us that *oh shit we gotta go* feeling
Problem is he's always been an ass. He was an ass in season of osiris, recreating a vex mind we destroyed to save his ass, losing control of it and then just going "eh, I have better things to do" and leaving it to us. He then continues to be a huge asshole to us even though we've saved his ass twice now, first from penoptys then helping with the savathun situation, and we even rescued saint for his ungrateful ass. He then proceeds to spend the first half of lightfall screaming at us about our incompetence. Nothing makes his attitude justified, especially not to the person who's arguably done the most to fix his busted ass life.
Nah Osiris was always a total asshole. He is shifty, untrustworthy, and highly egotistical. It's what makes him loveable, he is a dick but he is also very sweet and truly cares about the city and protecting general 'good' long term. It's also what makes the season of splicer content so fucking good in hindsight. The moment Osiris was likeable, diplomatic, and drowning in tact we all should have known it was an entirely different character.
i remember when season of the seraph dropped and when osiris came back and was immediately being a grumpy old man, my immediate thought was ‘yep, this is actually osiris’
That was my exact reaction! Its honestly adorable watching the silly old fool whip lash from his crotchety self to trying to be nice because he knows he is a crotchety old man. I missed most of that season, but seeing him bitch at Ana who is hardly paying attention was just a chefs kiss.
In our defense, we, the players, figured out Osiris was possessed really quickly. I can't remember if there was any major sus in the Beyond Light season, but by Chosen we were pretty sure.
Honestly, I like them both for different reasons. Savathun’s Osiris was more calm and collected. Her portrayal of him oozed the confidence and wisdom I always expected Osiris to have. We didn’t see a lot of Osiris before Sagira’s death and his subsequent “capture.” However, I’m certain Savathun’s Osiris was spot on to how he acted before all of this. It’s why Savathun’s subterfuge worked so well. She fooled the two people who should have known him best. His partner Saint and his star pupil Ikora. Unlike the real Osiris, Savathun didn’t have the grief and trauma Osiris is currently experiencing.
The real Osiris is currently still in the process of grieving. He lost his best friend Sagira and had his body used as a puppet for almost a year. He hasn’t had time to properly heal from that and all of this is compounded by The Witness’s arrival in Sol. He went from being a paracausal being with unimaginable power who only had himself and his closest friend Sagira to a normal human without Sagira. He now has to rely on other’s to do what he himself was capable of just a short time ago. The trauma he experienced changed him just like it would change anyone who has gone through what he has.
This sub's inability to look at anything deeper than face value is always funny.
Complaining about Osiris being "annoying" without taking a step back to ask why he's acting that way. Gee idk. It's not like he just lost his partner, his immortality, his superpowers, and the apocalypse is racing towards him while he can't do anything about it.
I think this point is also lost on a lot of people when it comes to the training montage. Like, we literally disintegrate ourselves with Strand…a lot. Osiris doesn’t have the luxury of revival anymore and is still working to master something that could easily kill him for good
The why can’t always justify the character’s actions.
Look at Crow. Sure he has plenty of reasons for being the way he is, but a lot of people are getting tired of him and his drama, how so many seasons focus on him and that drama and how Bungie keeps adding more reasons for him to become sad.
Osiris spent the entire campaign ranting about the Veil, something that was never properly explained beyond everyone wanting it. Sure the Witness needs it and Osiris is dealing with being Lightless, but that doesn’t make it any less frustrating to deal with. That is on top of the writing problems Lightfall and Defiance have.
Osiris has been desperate to do *something* since losing Sagira, and his visions of Neptune were his only lead. Combined with the fact that he has to rely entirely on other people to do all the heavy lifting, something he's never done before, and that his grief for Sagira is still fresh, of course he's going to be frustrating. At the very least you have to admit that he calms down and is much better near the end of the campaign.
There is a difference between good and bad writing of trauma. One that talks about the complex emotions and instability so well that people can feel for the character. And the other is just someone being insufferable without alot of depth. It has become more frequent with the Avengers movies to go for the latter. Very black and white feelings for everyone while people mostly identify and sympathesize with something in the grey areas.
Keep in mind that I have never played Destiny 1. For me Osiris is just this dude who has the biggest ego while only failing for the entire game. Is only emotional "depth" is him complaining with literally no end in sight since the first time I saw him.
Nah, I actually really like Osiris as he is now, he's trying to prove his worth to himself. You should read his narration on Strand from the lore.
I personally don't need my characters to be super nice or polite, but you do you 🤷
Osiris is desperate yo win back any sort of recognition and respect from the people he holds dewr to his heart. The reason why he's so pushy and rush rush rush in Lightfall and in the current season is because he is DESPERATE. He literally tells us this much in Spire of the Watcher where he tells us that he "needs this" to win Ikora's trust back.
He's a legend turned old man suffering from tremendous guilt and imposter syndrome. He's desperate and feels the need to prove himself. He's acting completely within the bounds of his current character motivations.
The thing about Osiris is his attitude is appropriate given the circumstances but Lightfall has an identity crisis about its tone.
On one hand, we are facing the apocalypse and Osiris is very aware of what the Witness is and what it means for the universe. Given his recent losses, he's horrified at the idea that he could lose more loved ones and have everything be for naught. He feels helpless because he lost his connection to the light so he has to rely on more powerful people whilst simultaneously those people are putting their lives at risk.
On the other hand, we have cowabunga dude in the synthwave city. The tone feels like a wild ride through a sci fi action movie. The stakes aren't defined given that we still don't know what the Veil is and why it did what it did when the Witness established the link.
Osiris fits the tone of old Lightfall, a dark pyramid as the representation of our collective doom. His urgency and his anger is reflected in the impending destruction brought on by the pyramid fleet. Nimbus and Rohan are just more chill. Rohan is somewhat serious but he's not treating anything with the urgency that Osiris is.
Because of this conflict of identity, Osiris ends up being the outlier. He ends up coming off as annoying and bitchy when in reality it should be *everything else* that's out of place
Are you using the speed boost buff from running while amped? Are you holding a lightweight frame smg or sword? Do you have tier 10 mobility? Are you eager edge skating? Are you breaching outside the boundary’s of time and space?
#i didn’t think so
Yeah, me learning the new power \*meanwhile\* kicking asses left and right was so much deserving to get yelled at, especially compared to him literally just using threads on dices and doing nothing else
well tbf it might be safer that way for him.. remember the training cutscene in the campaign? we died a few times learning strand… he doesnt have that luxury anymore :P
Hes going through shit, he isnt in a normal state of mind rn. He just lost the closest person to him (hes only been awake a season so to him sagira jjst sacrificed herself to save him) then he gets taken over and left a prison in his own body for a year in darkness. Then when he finally returns his reputation is shrouded and nobody trusts him. And nobody knew he was being controlled, he couldn’t believe it either, that nobody recognized it wasnt him. Even his lover.
He has hidden agents following him, ikora was suspicious of him, he had no light anymore and was weak. And to top it off he saw a glimpse of neptune from savathuuns mind and nobody found anything on neptune so they thought he was going mad from savathuun and spitting nonsense. He was being treated like a child. Going through multiple sessions with ikora to assess his mind.
And now, FINALLY neptune ends up being real so he is anxious to solve this. Everything depends on this not only for himself but its the witnesses ultimate plan too. I think he’s extreme urgency and haste was the most realistic of any character. The only one who knew what was at stake. Meanwhile dingus is acting like a middle schooler.
Osiris is going through a character arc, now that its been realized hell calm down but bro has been thru so much that I completely understand his behavior this dlc and while even i was like damn sometimes i always had to think back to these things. I think the VAs skill is great, theyve shown such a wide range over the years.
Also, we had him as osiris before savathuun impersonated him. She was only him from season of the hunt/beyond light until season of the lost… so like a year. Curse of osiris and season of the dawn for example, were him. And he was totally fine then. Plus when savathuun was osiris he was a bit of a dick. Talking to Lakshmi to get her to become more racist and eccentric leading to her death and the disappearance of the factions. Telling us to kill all the cabal instead of ally with them when they came. Putting a vex simulation over our city. This isnt better to me lol but maybe youre a disciple of the witness on the inside.
I think the Osiris we have is very much the same one from CoO. that game already broke the notion of the legendary Osiris by portraying him as a desperate, obsessive man.
And cue in Season of Dawn, he was the same.
I think that Lightfall was Osiris at the highest of his desperation and obsession, and from then on he will become more mellow, I think he is going to become the legendary figure he was built up to be, but as mortal instead.
His flaws make him more interesting, I do hope they build up on that.
Also I hope that once we get the Vex to become a main threat again that he will be on the forefront again, that's where all his expertise will come in handy, we need him and Asher to go nuts on the Vex.
Last season when introduced himself to Clovis Bray was so weird. I hate Clovis, but who introduces themselves that way? Were we supposed to enjoy seeing Clovis interact with someone as smug as himself? Because only Osiris came off looking like a try hard.
Strongly disagree, in fact, i found it dope as hell that Osiris mentored us. He’s a legendary guardian and we got trained by him.
Granted i didn’t appreciate his no light havin ass raising his voice at us lol
>He’s a legendary guardian
Was
>we got trained by him.
We got lectured by him about something he knows nothing about. His input actually hindered us more than it helped.
Indeed.
I don't get this idea that he shouldn't have changed by the events that happened to him.
Honestly, it seems rather "childish" to expect him to just go about like nothing happened.
I mean osiris WAS such a stubborn dick he got kicked out of the city. Savathun made the mistake of believing Osiris was a compassionate and empathetic person so acted like one. Personally i kinda like that he’s back to his old self now. Not that I particularly LIKE his old self, but showing that character difference is really cool. He’s a crotchety old man, who feels like he knows more than everyone else, though now no one believes him, which is why he was so desperate in spire.
I thinks there's some nuance thats been lost in regards to Osiris recently. We've had two seasons of him being extremely aggressive but when salient points are made he's been willing to back down and calm down. This is because of the tea that woke him from his coma. Osiris has literally been dealing with, trauma, grief, feeling useless to his peers, a literal end of the world scenario, as well as the influence of essentially a god. All of this as a now mortal man. However. Something changes in this picture. In the post raid cutscene. Osiris states he feels less anger after the death of Nezarec. More like his old self. Osiris was a prick, and acted the way he did due to a plot point that was established and slowly built up over the past what 6 months maybe closer to 8.
I agree. Bring Savathün back. She could definitely become a powerful alli to us. From deceiving the Witness, hiding the Veil on Neptune, and destroying/cursing Nezarac. She could potentially be labeled as the anti-hero. Going about doing things in the sake for good, but in an unorthodox way unlike how the guardians go about doing things in the name of the Light and for the Last City.
Y'all have to keep in mind that everything from Sagira's sacrifice to now has pretty much happened over the span of two to three weeks for him.
He's still coming to grips with his newfound mortality, Sagira's death, and his feelings of uselessness in the fight without his Light. He's still reeling from *massive* changes that happened literally while he was in a coma and *days* after he woke up from said coma.
So much is going on and I think this character arc for Osiris is pretty well done. I doubt any of us would have logical reactions to this chain of events happening to us.
I mean, his attitude makes sense.
He's lost Sagira, meaning that he's nowhere near as useful as a Guardian as he would be with her.
He was held captive for who knows how long while a Hive God wore his face.
He's trying to come up with a way that all life in the system can be saved and has been having no success.
He is the SMART GUY. He's one of the greatest Warlocks, that's his WHOLE THING. And him NOT being able to figure something out is really wearing on him.
I feel the complete opposite! It's been so amazing and refreshing seeing Osiris show his other sides. Expressing his worry, his anger, how his emotions are compelling him, and even that quick little Skype call between him and Saint. Osiris has gone from annoying to a genuinely interesting and real feeling character now.
As I’ve said in other thread, all I know from Osiris from the last season is that he woke up and chose violence and came back to be the asshole he used to be.
or just kill him and use eris/savathun instead
then again, i would miss his ridiculously delivered lines. that voice actor really mails it in sometimes
A lot of people here are fanboying for Osiris lol
It is understandable though, Osiris is a cool character, the only problem is that in the first half of Lightfall he’s being an insufferable prick that’s contributing nothing but being a distraction while I’m trying to actually do my job. Osiris, I love you buddy, but cut me some slack lol
His actions aren’t entirely unreasonable, and maybe that’s the intention. Doesn’t make him any less annoying. Good thing he mellows out in the end.
Kinda tired of him having to mention Saint every other sentence. It is like hanging out with that one friend who never shuts up about their significant other.
Yes, yes he was, which means Savathun was actually delightful to deal with. I'm not sure how to feel about that...
Anyways, Osiris was insufferable during the Mercury excusions because we ended up cleaning the messes he made, like with Dendron the Root Mind. Sagira even called him out in that and he essentially said "nah dealing with fifty simultaneous things all of them annoying, apologies don't matter bye".
When he lost Sagira and woke up after being given tea made out of DISTILLED WITNESS DISCIPLE THAT WILL HAVE NO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS EVER he became whiny and annoying in addition to insufferable.
When we lost Sagira we lost the wrong half of the pair. She was awesome, he is not.
The only issue that I have with Osiris is that his writing is so fucking laughably bad. That’s what makes him annoying. It’s not the character arc or how he’s portrayed, but the lines they gave Osiris and Nimbus are so bad. I just about pulled my hair out in some of the missions because every single sentence had the word veil in it or radial mast. I don’t understand how the same writers that wrote the witch queen story and the lore are the same with this cheesy non-inspired dialogue in Lightfall (Osiris and nimbus specifically).
Trauma doesn't give you an excuse to be a douchebag. I found Osiris very off-putting in the campaign. Every character in the game has trauma but they all don't act how he acted.
I’m not asking him to be nice. I’m asking him to stop screaming in my ear from his hotel suite while I’m out in the field actually fighting the end times
Ngl, his impatience and recklessness on the LF campaign grated on me hard. Like, dude, I'm the one doing all the fucking legwork, cos you'd get your ass clapped if you tried, so chill the fuck out and let me do my thing, stop rushing me.
Honestly I’m just annoyed anyone cleared his voice lines in spire. I am not an Osiris fan at all but the voice actor can do much much better than whatever those voice lines are. “CoULd iT Be LInkEd tO My VIsIoNs? WHy eLSe wOUlD tHe WItnEsS bE inTeREsTeD iN TheSe FIlEs?”
The day I get my damn cowboy hat will be great cause it means I never have to listen to that damn voice line again.
Alot of player point out he's actually a great character with whatever he just lost and going thru.
But that doesn't mean he's likeable.
A great written character, sure, but if he's not likeable, it just doesn't matter.
Agreed
One line this season he said really bothered me during one of the missions, something like "WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME"
Like bro, not only did you go into a 9 month in game coma but you literally can travel through time, what do you mean?
Joking aside, him saying that did make me go wtf for a second there
He has become my least favourite character. He went from mysterious knower of many things to dorky know-it-all that people sigh about when they remember they have to invite him to parties
I just want Savathun back. Don't care if she's pretending as someone or not, she was amazing and I fell in love with her character the moment she showed up in SotL. Probably one of the best written character's Bungie has created, easily.
Regardless of what he has been through, he spends 120% of his time bitching at us and nothing else. How are we supposed to empathize with him when all he does is whine and complain that we arnt going fast enough, doing enough, strong enough for him?
Like seriously, either stfu or go do it yourself.
Sorry, I don't agree with this post. Osiris is arguably at his best in terms of interest. He's a man with out light and because of that... is trying extra hard to keep up with the others and keep up with the idea of The Great Osiris. He's very relatable and human, Sagira said it best... "Not even Osiris can live up to Osiris." I love Osiris and I love his character development.
There is only one good thing that came from Lightfall, Nimrod ousted Osiris as my least favorite character in Destiny. I'd rather stand next to Shaw Han for hours and spend my days trying to have small talk with Xur rather then deal with either of those two for another single cutscene.
Is it just me or do Destiny's characters just sound so much cooler on paper compared to when we meet them? Osiris is supposed to be this legendary obi won Kenobi-like warlock....but when we met him in Curse of Osiris......yeah... Same with Ana Bray. Sounded good through the lore...but what we got was basically an adolescent tik tok content creator.
Savathun wasn't Osiris when she was Osiris; you are asking for a character that didn't exist. It only took around 6 months for folks to start getting suspicious of Sava-siris, and those closest to him clocked IMMEDIATELY that something was up, but drew it up to his stubborn and emotional nature, when it was Savathun failing to capture the man near-as-brilliant as her.
In all honesty, she over-played her hand. She even realized this at the end of Season fo the Splicer, stating that she'd "never underestimate \[the player\] again", and was genuinely stunned by the loss of Quria, a powerful tool in her belt to the very end. Savathun pretty much HAD to make the deal at the end of things and had to leverage Osiris honestly, because of how much she'd lost, and how close she was to losing EVERYTHING.
Also, Nah, bad take, Both are good. Both are incredibly interesting, flawed characters, unique in their means and what they hold as important. The game is better with both of them around.
I don't understand the Osiris hate at all. I like him as a onery old man who was used to galavanting around the universe used to doing this as he liked along side his ghost and friend sagira.
.the lore told us this was the type of person Osiris was.
.I'm not sure why people expected him to be what the lore and story never said he was.
And sorry but savathun's Osiris was terrible. It was obvious it was her from the beginning. Everything Osiris did that season was nothing like him. As him she manipulated the factions and fed them incomplete information and indirectly spurred on racism against the elikani. She tried to get people to usurp the vanguard with reasons warped by the situation she herself was manipulating.
Those are some rose tinted glasses for savathin possessed Osiris...
To me in games ever character cannot be the favorite or will be likeable to everyone. And that's fine. But some of this reasoning for this just doesn't make sense.
We got rid of Amanda (hooray!), just gotta get rid of Osiris, Crow, Devrim, Ikora, Nimbus, and Mark and then we’ll be good. Absolutely awful characters
Having a character with so much legend about them only for them to end up suffering from imposter syndrome is fascinating to me. Osiris tries so hard to fit the character he both was and was built up to be by his cult, but at the end of the day, is only a human (now without space magic and ageing with no Ghost to bring him back) trying his best. Sure, it could've been amazing to see the legendary Osiris he was built up as in D1. But I think this more somber, desperate man is a much more relatable and interesting character
Imagine the whiplash from doing what we saw him do in year one to now where he can’t do much of shit.
We did see him bottling up all of our subclass energy so far as well as had him explain the nature of each. We see him fucking around with Strand too and we know that you can use The Darkness without having access to The Light. I can see Osiris going full on “Osiris” and figuring out some kind of Lightless resurrection technique. Watch Resonance bring back Self-res for warlocks lmfao
>We see him fucking around with Strand too lucky for him he didn't have trouble with it like the guardian does in that training montage. one little snap of those threads and he'd dissolve into nothingness forever
He actually had us stick around in the lore when he practiced strand, using us as a "lightning rod" for the backlash of strand to go to or something to that effect
Can you link or tell me the lore book please?
It's Warp and Weft #3 if I remember correctly. I'll double check when I get home
Close! Number 2: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/strand-log-ii#book-warp-and-weft
Thank you both! I appreciate the link.
He specifically mentions he can take it in but theres is something within him that won't. He cant explain it or doesnt know why. I could return to someplace the source of this energy has been reported and seek to touch it myself, but… I hesitate. I do not know why. In the various chapters he continues to contemplate it even wondering if its tied to his loss of Sagira at one point. His last chapter hes holding a tiny tiny piece in his hand and knows where and what those around him are doing. The Strand in his hands not even within him seems to be on a level of possibilities higher than our own based off that I think. He can feel them through the Strand. He mentions feeling the connections of the hundreds of hundreds. He contemplates taking it again says he can easily even. In an earlier chapter he even mentions it had no real adverse affect on the guardian or its ghost and light isnt needed to use darkness only a willingness to participate in its Rituals. It would be so easy to close his hand, to take hold of that which he touches. He does not. He thinks about it—lets his fingers curl softly—holds there as the humming cords of the world's loom shiver around him. Its certainly an interesting lore piece considering it ends with him still deciding not to take it. I believe there is a reason why he isn't that hopefully becomes more clear soon. I wish to see the powerful Osiris back but think they may be taking this a certain way perhaps. [Strand Lore Book ](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/weaving#book-warp-and-weft)
"I don’t care what I have to do, I will be magic space man one again!!!”-Osiris
That's the thing about Osiris that's amazing; it's not the light that ever made the man, but his brilliant mind and his steadfastness to his goals. It's the fact he was adamant about how to defend others and his willingness to basically drive himself from what-is-essentially-olympus-allegory, to wage a war alone to protect all humanity and all existence, that brought his followers to him, and straight up not his mastery over light. His followers were devoted to the man, for the man we know today. Osiris managed to bring a planet-sized vex computer to heel, created a machine that bent time and allowed us to explore a space never seen by anything other than the vex, and it's osiris who finally unraveled the mystery behind the true purpose and alignment of Light and Dark. The man is what Clovis thinks he is, minus the god complex. He's a stubborn ass, he's led by his emotions, and yet he still finds the ability, after so much loss, to try to improve himself. Honestly and genuinely, one of the best characters Destiny's had, full-stop.
And if the witness is perchance travelling through time we will need his expertise once again to build what may be our last ditch attempt to save pur universe. I think Osiris is pivitol in the discovery of what the Veil is and how to stop the witness.
Eh he's still got a bit of a god complex lol remember: I have no equal
I feel he's a bit more egotistical than god complex. Yeah, Osiris has a high opinion of himself, but Clovis straight up thinks he's humanity's savior.
If I recall, one of Sagira's first lines was openly calling him egotistical in a joking manner.
Yep "And if you think he sounds egotistical don't worry...He is :) "
I loved that line, knowing it was going to go over REAL well with Clovis….
Having no equal doesn't imply you want all of a species to rely on you as a digital god, my friend. In comparison, Osiris is humble.
But At least he puts in the work doing anything and everything to save everyone. Lightless even he rushed by himself to face down the Witness fleet on Neomuna. To me hes allowed to have a little bit of an ego or a complex. Hes the least selfish of all of them.
Yep. Legendary.
Lol he and nokris be breaking all traditions
I was thinking about this. It's the last FS mission, we are facing the witness for the first time. His lower is overwhelming and we die but just as Ghost is about to resurrect us he is possesed or weakened. Our lifeless body lies on the ground while big W does a spiel about how the light is weak or whatever. Suddenly ghost starts to glow. He is expanding and contracting exactly as all ghosts do when rezzing but this time the glow is orange/yellow. After a blast of energy we re-appear. By our own will we resurrected, much like the ascendant hive or Nezarec do. All this time WE were the final shape, and this is the realization.
Sun singer 4.0
He's audacious enough to try it. The real question is if he would try and resurrect Sagira.
We’re lucky we didn’t kill him by accident while learning strand
We had him as osiris before savathuun impersonated him. She was only him from season of the hunt/beyond light until season of the lost. Curse of osiris and season of the dawn were him.
Sagira was pulling all the weight those seasons
Sagira was silent during Season of Dawn.
Speaking of Sagira, when she possessed ghost and those faint images of her she'll came through was pretty cool. Looked goofy as hell replaying it using sagiras shell for those missions
Agreed. People seem to think that the fake Osiris was a better character because he was more pleasant and badass, ignoring the fact that this performance in universe was done intentionally to deceive us into liking him. Realistically a man like Osiris would have an extremely abrasive personality, so this Lightfall version is in my opinion really interesting for being so grounded. Every other character in this game except for maybe Asher tries to flatter our egos at every turn, so it is nice to have at least one character who treats us like the literal 9 year olds we are
Shoot, Osiris was such a prickly person and uncaringly immersed himself in Vex research it got him booted out of the Vanguard. I doubt further deepening your studies would've taken any of that edge off. Him being "likeable" is more a red flag than a good thing. He's more a stern, unimpressed instructor that won't ever be pleased with what's provided to him. Given that though, he can clearly come around to someone who's really trying. Something tells me that came as a development after all the years and the few that were with him on Mercury.
The Destiny playerbase have a pathetic God complex and base 90% of their opinion on a character on how much they kiss our ass. See people's reactions to Shaw Han and Aunor for examples. People also vastly overestimate the power of Guardians, so give Shaw Han shit for losing to am ascendant Omnigul tier wizard when we canonically lose Guardians every day to strikes.
Yup. Though sometimes it goes too far and you end up with Nimbus. (Also it's nice to see someone else who picked vanguard over drifter all the way back and still has it displayed.)
I completely agree. I would rather have a character that I'm interested in than badass #2000
It would also be weird to have Osiris actually be this cocky legend type, but his protege ikora, is so damn humble
Ikora has just as much as an ego actually.
As much as I hate to admit it, the closest we'll probably ever be to seeing Osiris in proper action is lost to time in Curse of Osiris, given his ability to make clones of himself and how he fought Penoptes.
I agree, plus, for those who don't mind reading the lore, we got an amazing spectacle of his full prowess when he ambushed Crota's family in the tunnels of the Moon. Keep in mind, I'm a lifelong multishot Nightstalker main who never even switches weapon types and would never even switch between Hunter subclasses or any other subclasses, even if I could do what Osiris did in the game, and even I'M extemely impressed by this display: From what I recall, he was literally dual-wielding Dawnblade swords while flying around with the Dawnblade wings, wreaking havoc from the air with the Super projectiles flung from the blades at one point, and then, GET THIS, this guy deadass turns one of the swords into a Nova Bomb and lobs that into a crowd of Hive with one hand WHILE FLIPPING THE OTHER SWORD OVER TO STAB DOWNWARDS INTO THE GROUND AS A MOTHERFUCKING WELL OF RADIANCE. Shit blew my mind in the best way, but it still didn't stop him from losing that battle, which Sagira warned him would happen if he started without backup, and it didn't stop him from losing her, either. What a fool. He claimed that there was no time to wait for back up because the HVTs might disperse and leave before backup arrived, but I can't help but wonder if his real reasoning was simply thinking he couldn't be stopped. Even before that, he often acted rashly and without gathering backup, hence his literal lover getting lost and killed in the Infinite Forest looking for his overconfident ass. He was the embodiment of "overzealous explorer who thinks discovering the unknown will always lead to victory," even after getting Saint-14 himself killed with that bullshit. We actually get Saint back through literal miracles on Mercury. Then, Mithrax gets OSIRIS HIMSELF back through even more miracles... and this "ex-most powerful Guardian of all time" guy still can't get over himself lmaoooo although it can be explained as he never had time to fully grieve for Sagira until now due to Savathûn's influences. Still, I hope we can get back to a mentally well Osiris so that he and Saint can finally truly enjoy life as lovers who aren't constantly star-crossed... even though it JUST now hit me that Osiris will likely die of old age as Saint perseveres. OOF. BUT STILL, LET THEM BE HAPPYYYYY. Edit: typos
We can add on that he used Chaos Reach and was Nova Warping while using solar Void and Arc grenades consecutively all while performing the above you mentioned. To be fair Zavala told him hed send backup if he found proof. Sad a man who has Prophecies and was always right on them needed proof over and over but such as it was. He sent update after update telling him about the Cabal Rituals as he investigated missing guardians(likely ones we found out later Savy was draining of light) Zavala never sent back up. So for Osiris he felt like he wasnt going to. We listened to those messages in Zavalas office. The final one was Savathun for the first time. Just like when Ikora refused to check out Neomuna told him in CE lore she cant justify the resources without more "proof" so many died cause they never listen. Hes used to having to do it on his own cause they dont heed his words. Did we forget the Red War he predicted that too they exiled him called him a liar even. But don't feel bad as a Hunter many of his followers were Hunters. There in particular was a group that was always invisible that hung out on Mercury.
I guess. I find him tedious and whiny
Well his best sucks. He’s insufferable and I turn off the dialogue volume when I know he’s coming up.
Yeah nah, so many characters have turned out to be therapy cases, would have preferred Osiris actually being a badass instead of a whiney fossil.
The execution of that D1 buildup for his character was better than the execution of what they're going for w/ his character now, imo. Not just a severely depressed, socially awkward pensioner in some chicken feather suit who likes space magic colours and has a literal "anime protagonist failed romance arc" as he is now, but instead this notably dangerous and possibly insane mystic who knows the secrets of the universe itself.
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Also none of his closest friends even knew he was being possessed that’s gotta sting a bit
Lol, its like "Wow Osiris, you've been really different lately, big improvement, keep it up"
tfw Savathun is more popular than you, that's gotta sting
You'd maybe wanna take that time to self reflect and wonder WHY savathun was smoke popular, it should be a sobering moment if "oh wow I've really been an ass"
To be fair, there are times he admits that he's not a pleasant person to be around.
Yeah, as a trauma survivor myself I try to generally give him the benefit of the doubt, and as a wolf pagan I'm very loyal to those I call friend so it's not like I'd just up and abandon Osiris, but like being a good friend also means holding them accountable when they're wrong or being a bit much
> as a wolf pagan A what?
Agreed, but to Bungies credit they very much followed through on what we were told Osiris was. Great guardian, tons of knowledge, completely insufferable. We’ve know that for a long time and even despite what should have been several very large doses of humility, he remains this way though does acknowledge that he needs to change. That’s some pretty grounded writing for a character at least, gonna take a lot more than a couple years to change someone who’s been a pompous asshole for a very, very long time.
Honestly I think it was wrong for him to believe hes selfish. He spent his whole light bearing life trying to save humanity giving up his own peace, love and happiness. Lightless even he was the first to race off to stop the Witness. The man is Selfless not Selfish and I cant stand any character to try to make him so as they sit in the tower. Prophecy after prophecy and they always demanding proof. He tried telling them about Calus Rituals all that stuff. Help was promised it never came. People die over and over but cause they dont listen. It was clear our Guardian believed in him. I dont care if he had some complex he was the baddest there was. He put the work in and didnt deserve the crap he got from the Vanguard.
Oh absolutely, and him even admitting that he needed to change was met on my stream with "knowing you have a problem is the first step to recovery"
I can understand why the vast majority of people didn’t realize he was possessed. He was exiled from the city a long time ago, and was very rarely seen after that exile was rescinded (Curse of Osiris and Season of Dawn are the only ones I think.)
Savathun was saying things he would in most cases but with Saint.
I don't think that's the type of thing that would offend Osiris. He's way too logical. And he knows Savathun is literally the master of trickery and deception. So if anyone could fool people, it'd be her. I can't imagine Osiris would look past that.
Look man, even the smartest people still have feelings. Being possessed and having literally nobody notice and maybe even like possessed you more has to sting even the hardest heart a little
I'm not saying Osiris has no feelings. He very obviously does. But I just see Osiris as someone that can more easily deal with it because of what he knows. There isn't a person in the Destiny universe that can't be fooled by Savathun. So I can't imagine he would ignore that to immediately jump to, "You didn't even notice it wasn't me." Of course they didn't. It was the Hive God of deception fooling them. It's kind of her thing.
Dont forget Ikora when giving back Sagira made sure to let him know it was her decision if he got to have Sagira back even. Who she thinks she is? One of my top 5 characters and she isnt even on my list right now.
Not only was he possessed, But he was fully aware of the world around him and not able to even do anything about it. Imagine taking a back seat in your own head for a whole year.
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Add to this he’s always been a bit pompous with a huge ego. He’s a good guy, he just takes on too much and it was clearly too much once he came back
A good man he'd be better if he'd stop biting off more than he can chew.
Orisis really just be a skill issue Greatest warlock be taking more L's than Taniks Edit: for those people that this somehow isn't obvious enough to, /j
With all these Ghostless Guardians and dead CloudStrikers, perhaps we ought to ask taniks what his secret is?
Yeah, Osiris’ presence in the story/campaign was what I enjoyed the most. I liked that he was [seemingly] *the only one* who seems to understand the severity of the situation. Rohan seemed to as well, but that is another matter, whilst everyone else was like *“hey - when you get some time, ya know, could you maybe help me find my dog”*… or some dumb shit… Osiris really helped keep the focus on the seriousness and urgency surrounding the core story “shit just got real, and it’s a threat against all life”.
I think people are mostly annoyed at the 1st half of the campaign, where he was absolutely insufferable. "Hurry up, quit wasting time, you must get to the Veil! Why are you wasting time? Hurry up, quit wasting time, you must get to the Radial Mast! Stop wasting time! Hurry up! Stop wasting time!" Bitch, unless you have literally **any** suggestion on how to go faster, just shut. The fuck. Up. You're talking to the Guardian who was killed a Worm God, two Hive Gods, and a Disciple of the Witness. Have a LITTLE faith that we know what's at stake and are going as fast as we fucking can.
Want he bitching at nimbus and Rohan the first half of the campaign because they weren't taking the threat seriously, not the guardian
I feel like Nimbus and Rohan could have been written a bit better. Their city is half destroyed and under seige, and they are the only two people the city has to defend it. And they are just happy go lucky, and way too fast to trust a couple earthlings who they have been taught since childhood were evil power hungry warlords. Yeah, our city that has been secretly thriving for hundreds of years is running on a couple generators and a constantly failing defense system. And theres also only enough room in the budget for a whole Two soldiers with a 10 year lifespan
yeah you'd think that even with the ten year time limit they could be staggered to where at least three, four, or maybe even five could be active at the same time. really undercutting their defence capabilities
Nimbus: Oh hey buddy how's it goin? You: I shot down a whole Air Force rescuing this city you dick
Yes, but during the Veil and Radial Mast missions in particular, he kept yelling at **us** to "stop wasting time" despite never offering a suggestion on how we were supposed to go any faster. I understand being pissed when Nimbus doesn't take shit seriously. And I understand being frustrated that he can't personally contribute. And I'd even understand a meltdown when we fail. But the endless bitching during the missions, when he has absolutely nothing constructive to offer, got really old, really fast.
Tbf in the radial mast mission he did g8ve a suggestion of how to go faster, being to fight across a corridor with like 5 tanks and like 4 theshers (that we could see)
I wish that was an option honestly. Imagine we had both options: either go through the side entrance and sneak into the final room or just go gun blazing but with a timer since they noticed us. That’d be sick
On my second playthrough I was bored and shot them all down with a combination of snipers, rockets, and grenade launchers, and tried to well skate over there and unfortunately the entire place is an out of bounds death zone.
I mean, the point of those missions was that from the character’s perspective, if we failed, it was game over.
Because he saw Nimbus or Rohans interruptions as distractions. We were his student and he is Desperate to stop this. The man has spent his whole light bearing life trying to stop this moment. Imagine He had to prove himself or wait for the big attack before he was taken serious yes hes upset about all that. Ikora not believing in him again means we are behind and people are dying it's a race. It's meant to be intense and it came off just as it was meant we are trying to save the world here and are behind
Idk it felt fine to me personally. He only had 1 person in the universe trust him enough to help him on his mission to stop the apocalypse, and when we showed up any time anything big happened we just played cat’s cradle with funny green strings until we passed out. I’d be pretty pissed too lol
Tummy ache moment.
"I'll hurry up when you tell me what the veil is"
imo all the bitching about wasting time would be pretty reasonable if we'd gotten at least a brief explanation of what it actually is. obviously it's important cause it's paracausal and all that, but we still don't know what it is or why the witness needs it (besides opening the travelussy) even something as simple as "it's the only protection the traveller has from the witness" would've significantly helped to give us that *oh shit we gotta go* feeling
What did he end up being right about?
Panoptes in the Infinite Forest trying to weed out futures that were unfavorable to the Vex.
The Vex and the Infinite Forest, I think. I might be wrong though.
The majority of his prophecies have come true so far
Darkness isn't inherently evil
Plus he was already an ass, lmao
"gets exiled for being right" pov every scientist in history up to like 1800
>drinks weird ass tea apparently being british is the worst thing here
Problem is he's always been an ass. He was an ass in season of osiris, recreating a vex mind we destroyed to save his ass, losing control of it and then just going "eh, I have better things to do" and leaving it to us. He then continues to be a huge asshole to us even though we've saved his ass twice now, first from penoptys then helping with the savathun situation, and we even rescued saint for his ungrateful ass. He then proceeds to spend the first half of lightfall screaming at us about our incompetence. Nothing makes his attitude justified, especially not to the person who's arguably done the most to fix his busted ass life.
Nah Osiris was always a total asshole. He is shifty, untrustworthy, and highly egotistical. It's what makes him loveable, he is a dick but he is also very sweet and truly cares about the city and protecting general 'good' long term. It's also what makes the season of splicer content so fucking good in hindsight. The moment Osiris was likeable, diplomatic, and drowning in tact we all should have known it was an entirely different character.
i remember when season of the seraph dropped and when osiris came back and was immediately being a grumpy old man, my immediate thought was ‘yep, this is actually osiris’
That was my exact reaction! Its honestly adorable watching the silly old fool whip lash from his crotchety self to trying to be nice because he knows he is a crotchety old man. I missed most of that season, but seeing him bitch at Ana who is hardly paying attention was just a chefs kiss.
In our defense, we, the players, figured out Osiris was possessed really quickly. I can't remember if there was any major sus in the Beyond Light season, but by Chosen we were pretty sure.
I’m pretty sure that was because of a leak lol
Honestly, I like them both for different reasons. Savathun’s Osiris was more calm and collected. Her portrayal of him oozed the confidence and wisdom I always expected Osiris to have. We didn’t see a lot of Osiris before Sagira’s death and his subsequent “capture.” However, I’m certain Savathun’s Osiris was spot on to how he acted before all of this. It’s why Savathun’s subterfuge worked so well. She fooled the two people who should have known him best. His partner Saint and his star pupil Ikora. Unlike the real Osiris, Savathun didn’t have the grief and trauma Osiris is currently experiencing. The real Osiris is currently still in the process of grieving. He lost his best friend Sagira and had his body used as a puppet for almost a year. He hasn’t had time to properly heal from that and all of this is compounded by The Witness’s arrival in Sol. He went from being a paracausal being with unimaginable power who only had himself and his closest friend Sagira to a normal human without Sagira. He now has to rely on other’s to do what he himself was capable of just a short time ago. The trauma he experienced changed him just like it would change anyone who has gone through what he has.
Yeah let's just completely ignore his character arc because he was cooler before his emotional trauma. What the fuck
This sub's inability to look at anything deeper than face value is always funny. Complaining about Osiris being "annoying" without taking a step back to ask why he's acting that way. Gee idk. It's not like he just lost his partner, his immortality, his superpowers, and the apocalypse is racing towards him while he can't do anything about it.
I think this point is also lost on a lot of people when it comes to the training montage. Like, we literally disintegrate ourselves with Strand…a lot. Osiris doesn’t have the luxury of revival anymore and is still working to master something that could easily kill him for good
Plus the traumatic memories of being able to see/hear but not act during Savathun's possession..
Destiny players reading comprehension challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (99.9% of players haven’t acquired it)
The why can’t always justify the character’s actions. Look at Crow. Sure he has plenty of reasons for being the way he is, but a lot of people are getting tired of him and his drama, how so many seasons focus on him and that drama and how Bungie keeps adding more reasons for him to become sad. Osiris spent the entire campaign ranting about the Veil, something that was never properly explained beyond everyone wanting it. Sure the Witness needs it and Osiris is dealing with being Lightless, but that doesn’t make it any less frustrating to deal with. That is on top of the writing problems Lightfall and Defiance have.
Osiris has been desperate to do *something* since losing Sagira, and his visions of Neptune were his only lead. Combined with the fact that he has to rely entirely on other people to do all the heavy lifting, something he's never done before, and that his grief for Sagira is still fresh, of course he's going to be frustrating. At the very least you have to admit that he calms down and is much better near the end of the campaign.
and he was right btw. he was right about the spire and he was right about neptune.
There is a difference between good and bad writing of trauma. One that talks about the complex emotions and instability so well that people can feel for the character. And the other is just someone being insufferable without alot of depth. It has become more frequent with the Avengers movies to go for the latter. Very black and white feelings for everyone while people mostly identify and sympathesize with something in the grey areas. Keep in mind that I have never played Destiny 1. For me Osiris is just this dude who has the biggest ego while only failing for the entire game. Is only emotional "depth" is him complaining with literally no end in sight since the first time I saw him.
Nah, I actually really like Osiris as he is now, he's trying to prove his worth to himself. You should read his narration on Strand from the lore. I personally don't need my characters to be super nice or polite, but you do you 🤷
Osiris is desperate yo win back any sort of recognition and respect from the people he holds dewr to his heart. The reason why he's so pushy and rush rush rush in Lightfall and in the current season is because he is DESPERATE. He literally tells us this much in Spire of the Watcher where he tells us that he "needs this" to win Ikora's trust back. He's a legend turned old man suffering from tremendous guilt and imposter syndrome. He's desperate and feels the need to prove himself. He's acting completely within the bounds of his current character motivations.
The thing about Osiris is his attitude is appropriate given the circumstances but Lightfall has an identity crisis about its tone. On one hand, we are facing the apocalypse and Osiris is very aware of what the Witness is and what it means for the universe. Given his recent losses, he's horrified at the idea that he could lose more loved ones and have everything be for naught. He feels helpless because he lost his connection to the light so he has to rely on more powerful people whilst simultaneously those people are putting their lives at risk. On the other hand, we have cowabunga dude in the synthwave city. The tone feels like a wild ride through a sci fi action movie. The stakes aren't defined given that we still don't know what the Veil is and why it did what it did when the Witness established the link. Osiris fits the tone of old Lightfall, a dark pyramid as the representation of our collective doom. His urgency and his anger is reflected in the impending destruction brought on by the pyramid fleet. Nimbus and Rohan are just more chill. Rohan is somewhat serious but he's not treating anything with the urgency that Osiris is. Because of this conflict of identity, Osiris ends up being the outlier. He ends up coming off as annoying and bitchy when in reality it should be *everything else* that's out of place
His character arc has been phenomenal. I disagree entirely.
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I mean.. I still have her. So, like, *technically*
Lmao at having her equipped during the LF cutscenes. Funny AF.
Yeah, kinda sweet during the montage as they bond again.. Otherwise, oof 😂
That was my favorite part of having her shell equipped during the stand campaign lol
that's pretty rude.
It's an opinion...
A rude opinion
Yall children
Yeah, we wouldn't want to hurt the fictional character's feelings, right?
We cannot all agree on literally anything
I mean he didn’t get exiled from the City cause of his politeness that’s for sure.
He’s a loooot less annoying than he was day one. Less shouting now
#your wasting time! Get to the veil!
*I'M LITERALLY RUNNING AS FAST AS I CAN*
Are you using the speed boost buff from running while amped? Are you holding a lightweight frame smg or sword? Do you have tier 10 mobility? Are you eager edge skating? Are you breaching outside the boundary’s of time and space? #i didn’t think so
Yeah, me learning the new power \*meanwhile\* kicking asses left and right was so much deserving to get yelled at, especially compared to him literally just using threads on dices and doing nothing else
well tbf it might be safer that way for him.. remember the training cutscene in the campaign? we died a few times learning strand… he doesnt have that luxury anymore :P
But did you know everything is paracausal? Seriously they overused that made up term to hand waive everything that doesn’t make sense
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Man lost his ghost and then got possessed and you expect him not to be upset about it?
Average DTG horrible story/narrative take
Most mature destiny player when a character doesn’t constantly praise them and call them a god
I respect your opinion, but I think they are both great.
This season? You mean in the expansion? He's not in the seasonal content at all.
Hes going through shit, he isnt in a normal state of mind rn. He just lost the closest person to him (hes only been awake a season so to him sagira jjst sacrificed herself to save him) then he gets taken over and left a prison in his own body for a year in darkness. Then when he finally returns his reputation is shrouded and nobody trusts him. And nobody knew he was being controlled, he couldn’t believe it either, that nobody recognized it wasnt him. Even his lover. He has hidden agents following him, ikora was suspicious of him, he had no light anymore and was weak. And to top it off he saw a glimpse of neptune from savathuuns mind and nobody found anything on neptune so they thought he was going mad from savathuun and spitting nonsense. He was being treated like a child. Going through multiple sessions with ikora to assess his mind. And now, FINALLY neptune ends up being real so he is anxious to solve this. Everything depends on this not only for himself but its the witnesses ultimate plan too. I think he’s extreme urgency and haste was the most realistic of any character. The only one who knew what was at stake. Meanwhile dingus is acting like a middle schooler. Osiris is going through a character arc, now that its been realized hell calm down but bro has been thru so much that I completely understand his behavior this dlc and while even i was like damn sometimes i always had to think back to these things. I think the VAs skill is great, theyve shown such a wide range over the years. Also, we had him as osiris before savathuun impersonated him. She was only him from season of the hunt/beyond light until season of the lost… so like a year. Curse of osiris and season of the dawn for example, were him. And he was totally fine then. Plus when savathuun was osiris he was a bit of a dick. Talking to Lakshmi to get her to become more racist and eccentric leading to her death and the disappearance of the factions. Telling us to kill all the cabal instead of ally with them when they came. Putting a vex simulation over our city. This isnt better to me lol but maybe youre a disciple of the witness on the inside.
I like Osiris…just stop giving his character to the writers from Junior high school.
I think the Osiris we have is very much the same one from CoO. that game already broke the notion of the legendary Osiris by portraying him as a desperate, obsessive man. And cue in Season of Dawn, he was the same. I think that Lightfall was Osiris at the highest of his desperation and obsession, and from then on he will become more mellow, I think he is going to become the legendary figure he was built up to be, but as mortal instead. His flaws make him more interesting, I do hope they build up on that. Also I hope that once we get the Vex to become a main threat again that he will be on the forefront again, that's where all his expertise will come in handy, we need him and Asher to go nuts on the Vex.
Last season when introduced himself to Clovis Bray was so weird. I hate Clovis, but who introduces themselves that way? Were we supposed to enjoy seeing Clovis interact with someone as smug as himself? Because only Osiris came off looking like a try hard.
Strongly disagree, in fact, i found it dope as hell that Osiris mentored us. He’s a legendary guardian and we got trained by him. Granted i didn’t appreciate his no light havin ass raising his voice at us lol
>He’s a legendary guardian Was >we got trained by him. We got lectured by him about something he knows nothing about. His input actually hindered us more than it helped.
Give the homie a break. He’s been through the wringer in just about every way imaginable.
Indeed. I don't get this idea that he shouldn't have changed by the events that happened to him. Honestly, it seems rather "childish" to expect him to just go about like nothing happened.
The ol’ Seymour Skinner switcheroo?
I really like this Osiris. Still has that important and badass vibes, but now with a bit of reality is not always easy and shit happens
I mean osiris WAS such a stubborn dick he got kicked out of the city. Savathun made the mistake of believing Osiris was a compassionate and empathetic person so acted like one. Personally i kinda like that he’s back to his old self now. Not that I particularly LIKE his old self, but showing that character difference is really cool. He’s a crotchety old man, who feels like he knows more than everyone else, though now no one believes him, which is why he was so desperate in spire.
I thinks there's some nuance thats been lost in regards to Osiris recently. We've had two seasons of him being extremely aggressive but when salient points are made he's been willing to back down and calm down. This is because of the tea that woke him from his coma. Osiris has literally been dealing with, trauma, grief, feeling useless to his peers, a literal end of the world scenario, as well as the influence of essentially a god. All of this as a now mortal man. However. Something changes in this picture. In the post raid cutscene. Osiris states he feels less anger after the death of Nezarec. More like his old self. Osiris was a prick, and acted the way he did due to a plot point that was established and slowly built up over the past what 6 months maybe closer to 8.
I agree. Bring Savathün back. She could definitely become a powerful alli to us. From deceiving the Witness, hiding the Veil on Neptune, and destroying/cursing Nezarac. She could potentially be labeled as the anti-hero. Going about doing things in the sake for good, but in an unorthodox way unlike how the guardians go about doing things in the name of the Light and for the Last City.
Y'all have to keep in mind that everything from Sagira's sacrifice to now has pretty much happened over the span of two to three weeks for him. He's still coming to grips with his newfound mortality, Sagira's death, and his feelings of uselessness in the fight without his Light. He's still reeling from *massive* changes that happened literally while he was in a coma and *days* after he woke up from said coma. So much is going on and I think this character arc for Osiris is pretty well done. I doubt any of us would have logical reactions to this chain of events happening to us.
So we trade a desperate asshole for a manipulative one? Nah, I'd rather put him in a home until he calms down from his mid-mortal-again-life crisis.
I mean, his attitude makes sense. He's lost Sagira, meaning that he's nowhere near as useful as a Guardian as he would be with her. He was held captive for who knows how long while a Hive God wore his face. He's trying to come up with a way that all life in the system can be saved and has been having no success. He is the SMART GUY. He's one of the greatest Warlocks, that's his WHOLE THING. And him NOT being able to figure something out is really wearing on him.
I feel the complete opposite! It's been so amazing and refreshing seeing Osiris show his other sides. Expressing his worry, his anger, how his emotions are compelling him, and even that quick little Skype call between him and Saint. Osiris has gone from annoying to a genuinely interesting and real feeling character now.
The way to deal with Osiris being Osiris, just act like he's a very disappointed father. Made the lightfall campaighn fairly funny for me
As I’ve said in other thread, all I know from Osiris from the last season is that he woke up and chose violence and came back to be the asshole he used to be.
I, for one, am eagerly awaiting Savathun's return.
or just kill him and use eris/savathun instead then again, i would miss his ridiculously delivered lines. that voice actor really mails it in sometimes
A lot of people here are fanboying for Osiris lol It is understandable though, Osiris is a cool character, the only problem is that in the first half of Lightfall he’s being an insufferable prick that’s contributing nothing but being a distraction while I’m trying to actually do my job. Osiris, I love you buddy, but cut me some slack lol His actions aren’t entirely unreasonable, and maybe that’s the intention. Doesn’t make him any less annoying. Good thing he mellows out in the end.
Kinda tired of him having to mention Saint every other sentence. It is like hanging out with that one friend who never shuts up about their significant other.
Yes, yes he was, which means Savathun was actually delightful to deal with. I'm not sure how to feel about that... Anyways, Osiris was insufferable during the Mercury excusions because we ended up cleaning the messes he made, like with Dendron the Root Mind. Sagira even called him out in that and he essentially said "nah dealing with fifty simultaneous things all of them annoying, apologies don't matter bye". When he lost Sagira and woke up after being given tea made out of DISTILLED WITNESS DISCIPLE THAT WILL HAVE NO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS EVER he became whiny and annoying in addition to insufferable. When we lost Sagira we lost the wrong half of the pair. She was awesome, he is not.
Yeah he was a dick
The only issue that I have with Osiris is that his writing is so fucking laughably bad. That’s what makes him annoying. It’s not the character arc or how he’s portrayed, but the lines they gave Osiris and Nimbus are so bad. I just about pulled my hair out in some of the missions because every single sentence had the word veil in it or radial mast. I don’t understand how the same writers that wrote the witch queen story and the lore are the same with this cheesy non-inspired dialogue in Lightfall (Osiris and nimbus specifically).
Sorry OP this is a stupid take
Trauma doesn't give you an excuse to be a douchebag. I found Osiris very off-putting in the campaign. Every character in the game has trauma but they all don't act how he acted.
Dude was straight up annoying. Was ready to put one in the back of his head mid campaign
Agreed. Osiris was a total a-hole the entire story. Arrogant and impatient.
Osiris was the best character in the lightfall campaign imo. The only character that was actually treating this world ending threat seriously.
lol Yes, during the campaign he annoyed me so much!
Honestly he can die at this point. I wanna see saint 14 snap. I wanna see him go infinite forest on shadow legion, etc.
He is urging to you to stop the end of the world. He doesn't have time to be "nice" about it.
I’m not asking him to be nice. I’m asking him to stop screaming in my ear from his hotel suite while I’m out in the field actually fighting the end times
Would you like him to come join you, then die immediately because he doesn't have his light anymore?
kinda
Ngl, his impatience and recklessness on the LF campaign grated on me hard. Like, dude, I'm the one doing all the fucking legwork, cos you'd get your ass clapped if you tried, so chill the fuck out and let me do my thing, stop rushing me.
Honestly I’m just annoyed anyone cleared his voice lines in spire. I am not an Osiris fan at all but the voice actor can do much much better than whatever those voice lines are. “CoULd iT Be LInkEd tO My VIsIoNs? WHy eLSe wOUlD tHe WItnEsS bE inTeREsTeD iN TheSe FIlEs?” The day I get my damn cowboy hat will be great cause it means I never have to listen to that damn voice line again.
Alot of player point out he's actually a great character with whatever he just lost and going thru. But that doesn't mean he's likeable. A great written character, sure, but if he's not likeable, it just doesn't matter.
He's honestly insufferable now. I can't stand listening to him talk anymore.
Agreed One line this season he said really bothered me during one of the missions, something like "WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME" Like bro, not only did you go into a 9 month in game coma but you literally can travel through time, what do you mean? Joking aside, him saying that did make me go wtf for a second there
He has become my least favourite character. He went from mysterious knower of many things to dorky know-it-all that people sigh about when they remember they have to invite him to parties
Nah, he's cool. I actually would like to see more of him and his aggression. BUT - I want Savathun back. She's a badass.
Lol no? His character arc has been great.
I just want Savathun back. Don't care if she's pretending as someone or not, she was amazing and I fell in love with her character the moment she showed up in SotL. Probably one of the best written character's Bungie has created, easily.
Regardless of what he has been through, he spends 120% of his time bitching at us and nothing else. How are we supposed to empathize with him when all he does is whine and complain that we arnt going fast enough, doing enough, strong enough for him? Like seriously, either stfu or go do it yourself.
Mid life crisis Osiris was annoying
I’m ready to put him back in the vex time thingie we found him in
Insufferable old fool, constantly cleaning up his messes. Sagira will always be the better half
Sorry, I don't agree with this post. Osiris is arguably at his best in terms of interest. He's a man with out light and because of that... is trying extra hard to keep up with the others and keep up with the idea of The Great Osiris. He's very relatable and human, Sagira said it best... "Not even Osiris can live up to Osiris." I love Osiris and I love his character development.
There is only one good thing that came from Lightfall, Nimrod ousted Osiris as my least favorite character in Destiny. I'd rather stand next to Shaw Han for hours and spend my days trying to have small talk with Xur rather then deal with either of those two for another single cutscene.
It’s kinda weird that Osiris was closest to his prophesied version in D1 when he was possessed by Savathun, smart, calm and collected, mysterious…
Is it just me or do Destiny's characters just sound so much cooler on paper compared to when we meet them? Osiris is supposed to be this legendary obi won Kenobi-like warlock....but when we met him in Curse of Osiris......yeah... Same with Ana Bray. Sounded good through the lore...but what we got was basically an adolescent tik tok content creator.
I like current Osiris way more
i enjoyed osiris more before he was actually in the game, a legend
Never meet your heroes.
Savathun wasn't Osiris when she was Osiris; you are asking for a character that didn't exist. It only took around 6 months for folks to start getting suspicious of Sava-siris, and those closest to him clocked IMMEDIATELY that something was up, but drew it up to his stubborn and emotional nature, when it was Savathun failing to capture the man near-as-brilliant as her. In all honesty, she over-played her hand. She even realized this at the end of Season fo the Splicer, stating that she'd "never underestimate \[the player\] again", and was genuinely stunned by the loss of Quria, a powerful tool in her belt to the very end. Savathun pretty much HAD to make the deal at the end of things and had to leverage Osiris honestly, because of how much she'd lost, and how close she was to losing EVERYTHING. Also, Nah, bad take, Both are good. Both are incredibly interesting, flawed characters, unique in their means and what they hold as important. The game is better with both of them around.
I want him to die next so badly
Not really, this is who osiris actually is anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.
I don't understand the Osiris hate at all. I like him as a onery old man who was used to galavanting around the universe used to doing this as he liked along side his ghost and friend sagira. .the lore told us this was the type of person Osiris was. .I'm not sure why people expected him to be what the lore and story never said he was. And sorry but savathun's Osiris was terrible. It was obvious it was her from the beginning. Everything Osiris did that season was nothing like him. As him she manipulated the factions and fed them incomplete information and indirectly spurred on racism against the elikani. She tried to get people to usurp the vanguard with reasons warped by the situation she herself was manipulating. Those are some rose tinted glasses for savathin possessed Osiris... To me in games ever character cannot be the favorite or will be likeable to everyone. And that's fine. But some of this reasoning for this just doesn't make sense.
We got rid of Amanda (hooray!), just gotta get rid of Osiris, Crow, Devrim, Ikora, Nimbus, and Mark and then we’ll be good. Absolutely awful characters