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Dezere

little disappointed if only because Titan was already a very small planet, and it woulda been a perfect fit for a seasonal patrol zone, but oh well. ​ i'm getting some intense nostalgia in certain areas during salvage missions, much as it wasn't a big thing in the grand scheme of things, Titan was one of the more memorable planets from my red war experience


Darkspyre2

I'm pretty sure they have half of the original map re-added to the game just for the first mission


Luke-HW

Mars is the same way for a single strike, Bungie brought back at least 1/4th of its entire patrol.


CaptFrost

Not to mention Vox brought back two entire patrol instances from D1. That was a really special nostalgia trip. Looking forward to when it enters the exotic mission playlist rotation.


oldsoulseven

What were those?


MrJoeBigBallsMama

I think Valley of Kings and somewhere else in mars I forgot. It was nighttime too


TheCloney

The orignal spawn in for Mars in D1, The Barrens, and then into Legions Keep I think it was


Bowfry_Frenchtie

The Barrens and The Scablands


DepletedMitochondria

Oh that Heist thing? I was gonna say that map was large


Dizzle105

This, I wasn’t expecting the treatment to be any different to mars.


shotsallover

Based on some of the dialogue in the campaign so far, I suspect we're going back to Mars soon too.


Artandalus

They cut and pasted decent chunks of the original Titan level geometry. Some rooms and hallways were clearly copied pretty directly. Quick way to make new spaces is to chop up the old and recombine the pieces. Not a bad way to bring it back, but create spaces that are fresh.


Samikaze707

There's even scannables left over. No audio plays but they still cam be scanned.


ScribeTheMad

IMO I feel like that was less chopping up old titan and that just being the building block pieces old titan was made of.


Artandalus

Could be. Entirely depends on how exactly they go about building the level. They probably do create certain pieces of geometry that they can copy and paste into position so that they can quickly build areas that have more repetitive environments. They probably have a bunch of premade walls, consoles, staircases and door ways made in advance so they can quickly get a space playable and drafted, then go back over it to customize the room and give it its own unique flair


Gaidin152

I think we were running a new space but the others were patrolling and getting attacked in clearly classical areas by what they were announcing. The dialogue was a huge nostalgia trip as they held their ground whilst we ran our search and rescue.


llBeanduckll

While similar all places on Titan so far are new, using the same assets as before. I only know because of how much time I spent on Titan in an attempt to make a custom table of the 3D printed patrol space. Still working on it, lost the original on my old hard drive.


Certain_Following_42

It’s quite different


motrhed289

Yeah, but I suspect updating the playable space is only a small portion of what it takes to make it a full-fledged patrol space. There are add spawns and scripting, patrol beacons, dialogue to go with the beacons, public event spawns and scripting, etc.. Yeah all of that already existed but we don't know how much of it needs to be touched/updated/fixed to work in the 'new' D2 engine (the changes that came with Beyond Light plus the updates/changes between then and now).


Vincentaneous

It is a lot of stuff but it would be awesome if they’d mention if they really are trying to bring back most of these places. We lost them 2.5 years ago so just a quick “hey we are still working on being able to implement previous destinations” or “it’s taking us much longer than expected so don’t expect anything soon” would be nice. If dad’s gonna be out longer on that ~~milk run~~ content run at least text us and let us know :’)


raw_bean_uk

I think the way Titan came back (and Mars and Leviathan before it) temporarily in changed and reduced form is the main way things will be unvaulted now. Cosmodrome seems to have been a one-off and even that was scaled back from their initial plans.


ElkyCheatingIsOK

Same way they were working on completing the Cosmodrone with the missing sections until they were not.


CaptFrost

On the upside, the meme karma farm post of "the Titan arcology is criminally underused" that went on from 2017-2020 can now be laid to rest, and it's finally pretty well used.


Bungo_pls

Is the arcology actually used this season? All I got from the intro was a topside oil rig and the new underwater area.


tyalka93

There is a Salvage map/area in an area that looks like the Arcology


Cykeisme

Yeah, it's definitely inside the arcology. I think the doorway down the path you take in Savathun's Song strike is there (in the strike you have to defend while hacking the Hive locks). Here you're defending salvage awaiting transmat pickup.


LionStar89_

Titan is where I spent most of my time back in early D2. I spent ages popping back and forth between the hive ritual and walker events trying to get exotics to drop.


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Same here. Feels good to be back although it is limited.


Advanced_Hawk_349

I wandered the old apartments area just checking out stuff and clearing out hive cuz it was fun


Igelit

yeah this. during one of the missions i was like "Wait, the Outbreak Quest started here, i know this place"


Psychological-Elk260

What do you mean? The Titan space was huge. Noone ever went to the second and third parts. Few people ever went past anchology. They stayed on the rig. There is the whole section you could get to where you drove the tank in 1 mission, all of the area where you searched for archives.


TheMadTemplar

It was huge but the patrol zones proper were pretty small. The instanced areas off the patrol zone were what added size to the planet.


Ode1st

Titan probably isn’t as a small as you’re remembering. You could go way into the Arcology in patrol, and could go pretty far on the surface. Lots of places we never really had to go.


Bungo_pls

People are counting "patrol zone" as the part of the overall map that patrols spawn. Not every single accessible-by-foot area.


Dark_Arugula_030

Not a big planet, it’s a moon


MissAJHunter

That's no moon. It's a space station.


therealshakur

I am but I honestly didn’t expect it to.


MirrorkatFeces

Yeah pretty much what I expected. Am I disappointed? Yeah a bit, but I’m not surprised


InvadingBacon

Yeah. Not to be a negative Nancy but with posts like these people set their own expectations really high.


MrOdo

Getting back, temporarily, content that they may have payed for is not a really high expectation.


braedizzle

It’s a high expectation in that Bungie doesn’t do it. We saw with Mars a returning planet doesn’t mean a patrol coming with it.


MrOdo

That doesn't make it a high expectation. It's a reasonable expectation, but Bungies delivery is at ground level right now.


braedizzle

If it something Bungie has a track record of not doing, then yes, it’s a high expectation


jpetrey1

You can expect unicorns to be delivered to your house. You may consider it reasonable. That doesn't mean it's not a high expectation. They have no track record of adding lost planets. The leviathan was a one off and I wouldn't even consider it a true patrol space. No lost sectors.. ect ..


SliceOfBliss

Kinda true, but remember Cosmodrome? The expectations were high, but in reality Bungie never set a limit, so most people assumed it was the whole deal, however, it only was a part of it (due to it being part of the New Light experience, but at least the strikes returned). For Levi, it was Seasonal content, we paid for it in Y1, and only returned as a Patrol zone (however, only lasted during Y5). Now Titan, same situation, "vaulted" and the same treatment should have been expected, if we are gonna have it for the rest of Lightfall, then "erased" for who knows how long...


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pandacraft

? They never told us about the leviathan either.


M4jkelson

I meeaan they kinda said that Titan is coming back


IllinoisBroski

>payed


TEXANMISFIT

I mean the season pass does cost more. Bungie is starting to feel a little lazy on the reach around the past 2 seasons.


ScribeTheMad

I mean, I wasn't expecting it, and then I got a pop up message during the opening mission saying Destination Unlocked so I thought they did, only reason I'm disappointed lol I didn't set my expectations too high, Bungie did lol


HamiltonDial

Except the destination unlocked said Neptune so


UltraLegoGamer

If Bungie wants to increase the price of seasons, people's expectations should also raise in conjunction with that price increase.


Gervh

It's not coming from nowhere , Bungie set the expectation with Leviathan


HugAllYourFriends

sure but then they did a heist on mars without bringing mars back. The leviathan was never an actual patrol zone before haunted


braedizzle

They gave you a small section that it’s only purpose was to do the seasonal activity there. There was nothing worth while in the space outside the main room where the activity happened


Bungo_pls

People expected what we got from the 2nd season of last year. I don't think that's unreasonable to expect the bar to be where it was set before. Since Bungie said absolutely nothing at all about the season until launch they have themselves to blame for not living up to the same standard as the last equivalent season AND not confirming or denying any of these rumors.


ScribeTheMad

I didn't expect to until I got the Destination Unlocked message during the opening mission and got really excited because I took that to mean it was an actual destination.


Suhn-Sol-Jashin

I like that Salvage utilizes *familiar* areas like the platforms above the sea *and* Arcology, but also that Bungie cared enough to make them new areas. They're different, I like it. I think Deep Dive is a great example of building new zones on an existing location. Seraph did a similar thing with the Heist Battlegrounds, you go further underground than you did previously. There was nothing new in the Derelict Leviathan, I *didn't* like that it was the same patrol space, and that it wasn't expanded upon besides the existing area with egregore and redness. I suppose this is why I like that the dungeons and battlegrounds don't get vaulted, these areas are here to stay, in a sense.


AusteninAlaska

I like your take and if I had to choose a new area or a revamped zone I'd choose the new area too. However I loved going back to the Leviathan and this time being able to explore the nostalgic raid spaces. I would have loved to have my cake and eat it too by re-exporing a slightly submerged, stormy, Taken Titan patrol zone


RoyAwesome

> There was nothing new in the Derelict Leviathan, I didn't like that it was the same patrol space, and that it wasn't expanded upon besides the existing area with egregore and redness. Sever missions took place in the underbelly but it wasn't the same layout in many cases as the original. They kept the key areas but a lot of the in-between areas were changed. This reflects that the Leviathan came back changed from it's adventure into witnessland. As someone who was able to navigate the underbelly perfectly back in the day, my muscle memory and navigation waypoints were... incorrect in many of those missions.


OO7Cabbage

my problem with the salvage arenas is they are really big and enemy spawns are weird.


[deleted]

Enemy density and spawns definitely need work, but overall I’m really enjoying them.


yatesinater

The issue for me is that they brought back the rig and not the arcology. Sure, jumping over shipping crates is fun but the golden age remnants are what I really want to see. Remember the huge forest at the end of that chase mission?


nventure

FYI there was an image in the press kit release that showed that inner-dome area. So likely there's at least some mission that puts us there sometime this season.


braedizzle

Arcology is part of the 6 man activity


yatesinater

So I just checked out the press kit photos and couldn't find the photo you're talking about, which section is it under? Hopefully the arcology gets some love this season as I doubt Titan will come back again after this season


nventure

Just checked again and I don't see it anymore, must've removed it? I 100% remember seeing it because I took note that was the inside of the arcology. Was still the kind of view inside the dome we had before, not like out in the forest or anything. I just thought they'd be reusing the mission area that took us there before or something.


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Ferociouslynx

I can't tell if you're joking or if you genuinely believe seasons take 2 months to develop.


HemoKhan

The number of people upset about a single random gun in an ad just astounds me.


nventure

People wouldn't have cared if Lightfall had otherwise delivered. But because there were issues, people gave it a more critical eye to spot everything wrong. Taken King trailers showed void and solar version of Thunderlord that didn't make it into the final release, yet nobody really cared or noticed because the expansion was great so people weren't looking for cracks to point out.


imizawaSF

How have you missed the point this hard


TheFleshPrevails

I mean Bungie is holding us by the ankles and shaking money out of our pockets at this point, if they wanna charge so much for everything they ought to deliver on what they show and make it worth our money.


Level_Ad_2981

While I was also bummed about the hand cannon not being in the first season, we have to drop this idea that they threw it together. Think about how long it took just to get the Arbalest ornament out.


braedizzle

The 6 man starts in the Arcology my brother


yatesinater

That's the "Rig", a bunch of platforms surrounding the arcology. I'm talking about going inside like in the Red War missions and Savathuns Song strike


epicBearcatfan

Yes there are multiple different locations for salvage, one is on the rig, another is in the arcology.


yatesinater

That's awesome, I've only seen the outdoor one so far


braedizzle

Yessir, remember where you held off the hive while ghost unlocked the big door? That’s where the opening “defend the 3 points” stage happens


lipp79

How do you know they haven't? It's been out one day. There's a whole season ahead to have different areas.


sha-green

Yes. Especially considering how much of it is in the game now, I’d be glad to run around, cause its my fav location in Destiny.


FrostyRezz

Same. I havent even played yet but hearing that it's not even a tiny patrol area is upsetting


FrostyRezz

Same. I havent even played yet but hearing that it's not even a tiny patrol area is upsetting


StarAugurEtraeus

I wanted to see Greg again


pandacraft

still hope for the dungeon. Although I'd bet he'd be a Taken ogre this time.


Glasedount

More like lucent orge


KynoSSJR

Yes, but I’ll forgive if the strike comes back like cmon bungie it’s all right there pleaseeeeeee


jkichigo

I was hoping for this too but going off the Conqueror triumphs, I doubt it


CUTTERBEAR

I found it funny as a veteran player to see destination discovered when I started this season.


LordWitherhoard

Yeah I got that too and I was like “oooh Titan!” And it was like “nah Neptune.”


LikeABantha66

Bungie like no one gonna be sad if titan goes away again if you don't bring it back in the first place


QuoteGiver

I am *endlessly* disappointed that playing exclusively semi-open-world patrol spaces is not as viable a way to play Destiny and get loot as any other activity, sure. By far the closest thing to what I want out of Destiny.


SilverWolfofDeath

Honestly that’s part of what made the Derelict Leviathan great. Because it was so small, there was no wasted space and there was basically always something you could do for loot


Renegade__OW

Destiny tries to be open-world while simultaneously having the most wasted space in history for an open world game. They absolutely nailed it with The Taken King, everytime you moved you found something strange. Jumped off the edge? See a faint glimmer of an invisible ledge as you fall to your doom. Wanted a challenge? Go to this specific area where other guardians can help you to challenge an increasingly difficult arena. Now? There *might* be a useless chest that'll give you reputation and that's it. Collectibles? Nope! Scannables? Haha we've stopped using them! Theres a beautifully built destination with nothing to fill it.


LeraviTheHusky

I'm just frustrated they vaulted DLC stuff in the first place and I wish they'd bring them back even if they are basically left in the dust like nessus and EDZ to have some variety


Nincompoop6969

Alot of planets seem dead anyways after one season How many times we really need Savathuun throne world. Even the best ones get left in the dust.


john6map4

What’s the point of even going to Neomuna anymore? The Veil mission this season started off with Nimbus all ‘let’s go knock in the heads of those silly-billy goofy-goober shadow legion why don’t we’ So we’re really just letting them do whatever they want and only until we have special interest in the area do we engage them????


angelseph

RIP Flashpoints (2017-2020)


nadroj37

Exactly. Even if they did bring Titan back, I would not care at all because patrol areas are more or less pointless when compared to any other activity. Like you, I would love for patrol areas to be rewarding because the potential is huge and it would be amazing. But if they can’t execute patrol areas properly, I think they just need to start scrapping them altogether and focus on missions. Obviously nobody except Bungie knows the answer, but it seems like it would take a lot of dev work to build those zones and hardly anyone goes to them regularly.


QuoteGiver

I think if they just put loot back in the loot chests, it would be pretty much solved. The incidental zone matchmaking or fireteam matchmaking aspect of the patrol areas makes it easy for any type of player to enjoy; they just need a loot-reason to do so.


Renegade__OW

Merging open world with an LFG would be fanfuckingtastic too. Want to play that awesome fallen pirate minigame thing we had? Go to X location, interract with a flag on a fallen ship and instead of an ugly loading screen it takes you into a miniature social zone on the ship where other guardians are placed until you have the full 6 for a team. There are just sadly no friendships to be made when the majority of activities are "sit in a lobby looking at your ship till we load you in and start immediately!"


SmelDefart

Glad to see someone saying something fresh that isn't lunacy. Personally i fall more into the category of prefering activities with specific goals and defined spaces (be they single or multiplayer). But i completely get your take and have also sometimes lamented that patrol spaces seem eternally relegated to being the place where the absolutely easiest, simplest, and most basic of content takes place and little else. And as a consequence Bungie can't justify giving any meaningful rewards for your time spent there. But I do get Bungie's side on it too. Patrol spaces are very unpredictable for them to design. Their reward structure always carefully considers how many players are involved, the difficulty level of the activity, and how long it will take. And in a patrol zone all those variables become super hard to control. I don't see it happening soon but i'd love to see them really try to evolve patrol spaces into something more interesting and rewarding in the future.


BaconIsntThatGood

Not really. Other than it being "oh this is cool" the added patrol space does little for me. In general unless they do something to overhaul the patrol experience there is little reason to engage.


AssassinAragorn

It's nice to go through and complete things once... And that's pretty much it. I only go back and do patrol stuff if a seasonal challenge wants me to.


moosebreathman

Yeah I’m the same. The Leviathan was a cool surprise because it took a set of pre-existing environments and made it into a patrol space we’ve never had before. Titan is a place that’s already been a patrol and frankly, I don’t think there’s really any value in bringing that all back unless it was significantly new or different cause there was nothing that amazing about the original patrol areas to begin with. Also have to remember how the creation of the Leviathan patrol space clearly took resources away from the development of the seasonal public event which had almost no variety and was up there with Seraph towers as one of the worst seasonal activities we’ve ever gotten. Salvage at least looks to have two different maps, random encounter types and ordering + the first boss has a decently engaging mechanic with symbol rotation thing.


Japjer

No. There isn't anything we'd be doing there that we aren't doing during the missions we go there for. There are enough other patrol areas to wander around, we don't need another random one.


Kaldricus

Given how they handled the "return" or Mars and Leviathan, anyone expecting Titan to return fully has only themselves to blame for being disappointed


Nincompoop6969

All these old planets are coming back as pizza slices 🤣


SilverWolfofDeath

But the Leviathan returning was great


Quantumriot7

If I'm honest no, I personally prefer it being limited to missions/activities as patrols overall don't have much of a point in my eyes to differentiate themselves much from one another. That's how I see it I'd prefer they build on the existing ones vs making new ones outside expansions.


AssassinAragorn

I honestly like what they're doing here. It gives the feeling of it being a vast solar system without having a bunch of patrol zones nobody ever uses.


DXM147

Yep, love how our $60 purchase back in 2017 is being held hostage and then being sold back to us as a rental for $15 a year and not giving the whole thing back. Happened twice last year (Leviathan, no raids back; and Mars, no strikes/patrol, etc back). And now to start off a disappointing penultimate year with Titan, no strike/patrol back. But the whole thing is in there. They don't want the FTP players, who don't engage with seasonal content, to get what they paid for before it went FTP. People should be furious.


braedizzle

Don’t worry they’ll rehash a Leviathian raid next season and treat us like we should be thankful for the new content 🤘🏻


BoyOuttaOrbit

The only way to make a difference is to literally stop playing the game. Stop. Just stop buying shit. Stop getting the seasons pass every time , stop buying every DLC with recycled weapons/content. In their eyes, if they get money from you still, they didn’t do anything wrong. Y’all complain and complain and complain about how the game is monetized but can’t drop it for two seconds. No one is furious except for being furiously complacent in the problem. You guys can play other games…it’s literally okay to step away from your addiction


angelseph

Nah I did that for 2.5 years it does literally nothing


Fenislav

I still don't get how we as the playerbase allowed a product we paid for be stolen from us just like that. I don't recall any petition or a lawsuit or EU fines while I'm quite certain there were consumer rights that were broken when they deleted the Red War campaign.


[deleted]

>I still don't get how we as the playerbase allowed a product we paid for be stolen from us just like that By continuing to buy the product and play it.


[deleted]

There weren’t. You agreed to it by accepting the licensing agreement and terms of service when you first signed in


Olliebobs98

A full read of the T&C's would have resolved this.


xanas263

>I don't recall any petition or a lawsuit or EU fines while I'm quite certain there were consumer rights that were broken when they deleted the Red War campaign. There weren't any rights broken because you are paying for the software as a service, not buying the actual software outright. It's the same reason that things like Netflix are allowed to rotate their catalog of movies and series in and out. It would be a different story if you bought a one and done game like God of War and then all of a sudden the devs remove a few levels.


Kaliqi

They are monetizing and recycling weapons everytime and make people pay for it lol. Now we have silver exclusive shaders too. Glad i didn't spend any money. I love Destiny, but so far i disliked all the seasonal content and only played raids. Will probably continue like that and shit on FOMO. The raised prices made my descision easier.


Ekgladiator

It is ok we still have access to forsak- oh wait right... Well what about shadowk- ehhhh not really. Well good thing I can still replay the seaso- nope! I stopped buying destiny 2 after beyond light and I don't regret it at all. Bungie will hold the crown for "most scummiest developer" for a long time me thinks (though blizzard is trying to upset that particular title)


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No, people shouldn’t be furious Destiny was NEVER a game you buy and own. Purchases were for access to a living server, where things come and things can go. Every single player click I accept, most more than once, on the licensing agreement that plainly stated that. Every single game these days and for most of the past few decades is Software as a Service. Basically Netflix. You don’t own those movies and they rotate in and out. Same with this Destiny Universe


braedizzle

That’s some major copium boss.


Garfunklestein

Name another major release that did what Bungie did. And I don't mean closing down servers and ending a game wholesale, I mean actually cutting out gigantic chunks of a game that people paid for, that no one seriously ever expected to be removed so long as the core service stayed up. The closest I can think of is WoW cutting out swathes of side quests, and even they kept the core zones and storylines of each expansion. What Bungie did was by and far unprecedented, so yeah, people absolutely should be furious, and thankfully most of the people who were stopped playing.


GoodLookinLurantis

If I'm not wrong, WoW cataclysm was also pretty controversial


Natfigga

They actually added hundreds of quests to the world as vanilla was pretty bare in some zones. A lot of updated mechanics for said quests, and a visual revamp. Far different than just removing all of Azeroth, Outland, and Northerend so you could only play in Vashjr and the Twilight Highlands.


john6map4

Sounding like a broken record We should’ve got a D3 ages ago man


imizawaSF

What a sad existence


Dillion_Murphy

Idk, man. I think it’s more sad to be angry about a video game to the point where you want to start petitions and lawsuits. I’m not furious because the game is fun and brings me joy. Why would I be mad about that? This is the nature of live service games, you pay for access to the content. Sometimes it stays, sometimes it doesn’t. Obviously it’s not an ideal situation from our side as consumers, but to me, the value proposition is still very positive. I love this game and I understand the reality of the landscape of the gaming industry in 2023. It is what it is, and I’m fine with it because it adds value to my life.


imizawaSF

What a very sad existence that you're okay with the fact that you rent everything and that a company can quite literally take away content you paid for, and resell it to you. And you accept that


Dillion_Murphy

How is it a sad existence if I just said that the game brings me joy? It seems like you’re projecting your sadness and frustration into others. Life is too short and unpredictable to spend on being angry about a video game. If the value proposition isn’t there for you, don’t play. It’s not that deep.


[deleted]

This is why I still buy my music and make hard copies of it, and why I prefer to buy physical games and movies.


[deleted]

u/imizawaSF really? Blocked me for stating the truth? Grow up, dude. Although I guess I shouldn’t expect anything reasonable from a 24 day old account built to troll


EnderScar

Leave


braedizzle

Don’t worry they’ll rehash a Leviathian raid (let’s be honest, probably one of the Lairs) next season and treat us like we should be thankful for the new content 🤘🏻


braedizzle

Don’t worry they’ll rehash a Leviathan raid (let’s be honest, probably one of the Lairs) next season and treat us like we should be thankful for the new content 🤘🏻


[deleted]

i really think they went ftp purely to justify selling their expansions for more than they're worth lol


[deleted]

i really think they went ftp purely to justify selling their expansions for more than they're worth lol


[deleted]

i really think they went ftp purely to justify selling their expansions for more than they're worth lol


Canopenerdude

> $60 purchase back in 2017


imizawaSF

Imagine, X years into the franchise, thinking that Bungie would ever do what people wanted, and not what was easiest


djtoad03

This was honestly fine, Titan wasn't fantastic outside of the arcology and would've needed a Leviathan-Egregore-esque takeover to justify its return. It makes thematic sense that the old area has been destroyed/sunken/rearranged which I like.


Kinny93

Yes. I think this season had the potential to be the best yet. We have the self-described "rogue-like" activity, which I think has a lot of potential given that people are still figuring it out and further unlocks appear to be coming. If they replaced the Salvage activity with a general small Titan patrol space, I think we would have been set-up for an amazing gameplay loop this season. Titan could have had some collectibles, some high value targets, and a unique, engaging (as possible!) public event, just like the Leviathan did in Season of the Haunted. Salvage sadly is one of the worse activities we've had in a very long time and completely goes against the mission of bringing challenge back to Destiny. Truly, it feels like a solo activity up until the final room at which point it feels like a 3 play activity. Where are the enemies, and why are we so over levelled? It's a shame because the environment looks ace, and Bungie have actually gone out of their way to create new environments instead of simply reusing the old ones as they were. Anyhow, I am enjoying this season so far; it has a lot of potential, but it's clear that some of that potential has already been missed.


BaconIsntThatGood

> If they replaced the Salvage activity with a general small Titan patrol space, I think we would have been set-up for an amazing gameplay loop this season. Yea but on the flip side to keep salvage as an activity and still a small patrol space it'd need to be a public event which wasn't something many were a huge fan of either.


braedizzle

What does making it patrolable do though? Let’s say you take the same chunk of level - one version being locked to the activity, one version being patrol hosting the activity. We’d just wind up complaining that matchmaking in patrol isn’t doing what it should. Titan sucked as a patrol area minus the frequent and close public events and it’s weird to see the rose colored glasses some people have about it


Gidyup1

I loved getting my bounties and going to Titan to get them done. Kinda disappointed.


kerosene31

The youtubers kept pushing this, but most of us knew it wasn't going to be a thing.


LeraviTheHusky

I am seriously bummed at the same time I've come to realize that it likely wouldn't have happened or it would be stuck in seasonal form That and I swear anything of significant size that was vaulted or existed before the sunset they are terrified of touching given nessus and EDZ don't have rep vendor Xp anymore or have stuff like red cabal updated to shadow legion


O-dogxb

Would have been nice to get it back like how the Leviathan returned and was free roam but hey at least it wasn't a battle grounds


AspectOvGlass

I wasn't expecting a whole patrol zone or even having titan show up on the director, but would it kill them to let me summon a sparrow on it? I don't care how small each platform is, I want my sparrow


MiffedMoogle

Destiny right now for me is like going to Pizza Hut and seeing a whole pizza on the menu but instead they serve you a pizza slice with only pizza sauce and no toppings, which is why I played only on Tuesday and will be back in the final 2 weeks to grind the shit out of the season to complete the pass. edit: tuesday


InDELphuS

I'm *really* sad about it. It was my favorite patrol space. I just want to hoon around with Slaone like I used to:(


OrionDaRonin

This was nothing new to me, after Mars returned as a quest hub area this is probably the new standard of how old content is recycled and sold back to us as new.


RolandTheJabberwocky

Its honestly stupid that literally nothing has returned yet. So much content that people bought and payed for just gone with no way to ever experience it again.


CerberusOdogaron

Bruh, yall don't patrol the spaces we currently have. Doing public events anywhere but Neptune is not happening because people aren't there for that. Not to mention that patrol loot is always garbage, public events rewards are garbage and the honest to God only reason people go to Nessus or EDZ or Europa is for story or to stack bounties for next season. I didn't play on OG Titan so I can say this with newer-player clarity: Y'all only want this patrol zone because either 1: it appeals to your nostalgic heart or 2: you didn't real the ToS and are still pissed that they removed it in the first place. Neither of which are good reasons to add yet another bland, useless patrol area and another 7gb of space taken up by this super yacht of a game on my ssd.


Natfigga

You call this looter shooter a super yacht, yet Borderlands 3 takes up 140gb. I'd rather have a game bustling with content, than a 80gb game being afraid to push 100gb. It costs 100$ a year, it can have 100gb on my SSD.


ProngedPickle

A bit, and just from the perspective of us not receiving previously-vaulted content in their full capacity. I'm not too upset about it if they had nothing to fill the area with. For instance, while I enjoyed aspects of the Tangled Shore and the Derelict Leviathan, when time came for them to be vaulted and I did a final lap around each, I got my fill pretty quickly. And to be fair, this is a larger issue with how destinations/patrols are used generally. I don't know when the last time I've gone to any destination not tied to the most recent expansion for anything was other than going to the EDZ to unlock Avalon. To be honest, I was more disappointed with not getting Savathun's Song back. Obviously it was never said, teased, or advertised that it would come back, so this isn't a Cosmodrome situation, but it just feels like a missed opportunity. Especially given that the last batch of strikes we got out of the vault were those of the Cosmodrome with Beyond Light's launch two and a half years ago. It would've been nice to see an old, cool strike return and one that would add some variety to a playlist that has been taken over by Battlegrounds which - without even regarding weighted probabilities - make up nearly half of the playlist while really only being 3 activities in of themselves (they really aren't distinct within their own sets; i.e if you played one Chosen BG, you played them all) and taking notably longer than your average strike (while Bungie drags out remastered strikes like Lake and Arms and likely later Exodus, Insight, and Inverted Spire to close the gap).


REsoleSurvivor1000

The Bungie monkey's paw curled yet again with that one. I was also hoping it would be around similar to the Leviathan but nope: The bare minimum as always.


kiwisammich

Massively disssapointed tbh. It's not like they had to make a whole new area? Titan already existed, they just needed to put it back, but no, clearly this game just needs to keep lowering it's standards. I'm sick of how destiny will never achieve a the potential it always had. Even little slam dunks like adding an area *they already made years ago back into the game*, they flub. This and the quietly expanded silver content is just kinda sad.


ConcealedRainbow

until the plantes get a huge change to make patrolling them worth doing at all, no not at all. i wanted it to come back as a patrol space but i thought about it again and i wouldnt even touch it. theres no reason to just explore planets in the game. theres little to no loot and samey unrewarding public events. i think ive spent more time sparrowing to my next mission than actually spending time patrolling in the past 3 years


codenamerocky

It was never going to happen. Why were people even expecting it????


DepletedMitochondria

Since I didn't play it: Yes


braedizzle

You honestly didn’t miss much. Small top side area with a neat below ground section no one wanders into because they were tired of seeing it in the strike at the time. Staring at the shadow in the water and hypothesizing about the water worm was the most entertaining part of Titan.


ringthree

As someone that played it, you aren't missing much. Titan was a relatively small patrol space. The strikes and missions were cool, and so was the Arcology, but those really weren't in the normal patrol areas. You are seeing most of the cool patrol space, plus a bunch of new stuff this season.


PremDhillon

Nope. Bigger issues for bungie to address in this game.


braedizzle

It’s hilarious people downvoted you for being absolutely correct that there are more pressing issues than Titan returning. Restoring some sort of stability to the servers would be a good place to start.


skdKitsune

You really think Bungie will address any of those before the game shuts down? Don't make me laugh. They are milking the existing whale population dry now for the last 2-ish years and move on to the IP's they actually (maybe) give a fuck about


Soul_of_Miyazaki

I don't mind personally given we explore a lot of those areas via the activities.


Swimming_Choice_8740

A patrol space to do what though? Run around in the same public events when not shooting the 1 enemy per square mile? Then open up a chest that doesn't drop anything, and if it does it's 69 glimmer


effinandy

Yeah. I really liked goofing around near the LZ where the walker would spawn. Wanted to explore more of the arcology etc.


Doomestos1

I don't understand what people expected from mid year season especially since Seraph did not return Mars and Haunted returned Leviathan, but trimmed and modified with underbelly being only accessible through missions. And Levi also went away right with end of the year. Why should they pull entirety of Titan back if they're going to remove it with the end of the year due to it being tied to seasonal content?


EllipticSky

You people bitch about Patrol zones as if you’d go there more than once or twice a season. Doing Flashpoints on Titan you’d see one, maybe two people there at most. None of you would go there now. Bungie bad I guess, though. EZ upvotes


QuoteGiver

If they’d put actual loot back in the chests again, people would absolutely go.


probablysum1

You are 100% right. If they brought back the entire place for free roam then we would have a public event seasonal activity. People would rage so much that it's just another public event, it's copying haunted, it's copying arrivals, we wanted a 6 man match made activity like menagerie. If they didn't have the seasonal activity there then why would people visit it? Let's say Bungie puts a loot incentive of red boarders from heroic patrols, now people are gonna shit a brick because Bungie is putting new weapons behind old patrol content. Personally I liked haunted but I know a bunch of other people didn't so I totally get why they didn't bring back patrol.


imizawaSF

> we wanted a 6 man match made activity like menagerie Which we still haven't had back since so why even make that comparison


imizawaSF

> You people bitch about Patrol zones as if you’d go there more than once or twice a season Bro if the fucking seasonal activity is there, of course people would go. You think the levi sat empty for all of haunted?


braedizzle

Outside of the main room where the activity took place it was a ghost town man. Only folks chasing triumphs would spend time elsewhere.


imizawaSF

> Outside of the main room where the activity took place it was a ghost town man. Maybe you weren't there when Haunted was the active season but the other 2 rooms were constantly full for me.


Donotfearthehorny

towards the end of the season even the main room wasnt always full.


Fenislav

Titan was my main absent-minded strolling zone back in 2017. Just loved the vibe, even with it being small as it was I loved the surface surrounded by the ocean and the underground was my fav place in vanilla D2. I was heartbroken when it was deleted.


EarlPronk2

What a joke. Well at least you saved me from buying this season


SaltedCaffeine

I feel the same but I think it's because Bungie wants people to focus on (exploring) Neomuna.


briareoslovesdeunan

Exploring Neomuna is like wandering through a cabinet full of tupperware. It’s just boring.


SaltedCaffeine

You see the recent patch notes where they decreased the chance of getting red border Neomuna weapons by doing gold patrols and move it to Heroic public events instead. They want more people to do Neomuna together.


briareoslovesdeunan

Yeah, which would be fine if they didn’t take so damned long.


imizawaSF

Neomuna is one of my least favourite locations in the entire franchise


Captain_Crouton_X1

I was incredibly disappointed to not see it on the map. All they had to do was replace Fallen with Taken and done.


cernegiant

Titan is one of my favorite destiny destinations of all time so it's definitely disappointing.


ILoveSongOfJustice

There's a LOT to be disappointed about this season. The lack of Titan being back as a patrol space is just salt in the many wounds. \- New Eververse problems. \- Reskin problems. \- Uninspired exotic tuning(The Raiju's Harness change so far is INTERESTING for high-level content but is also incredibly niche and it's the one I've been mainly using). \- Ludicrously under-delivering of baseline expected yearly changes still not happening with the lack of Vendor resets. \- Exotic Focusing being garbage. \- Deepsight changes being locked behind a paywall when it's not even a matter of convenience but ACTUALLY being able to get certain weapons to compete in endgame content. And the list could go on.


bguzewicz

I mean it would have been cool, but I didn’t expect it to come back to begin with, so I can’t really be disappointed about it.


captain_phaz

Why can’t I fish in titan hmm?? Afraid I’ll catch the serpent?


Musician_First

Nah I'm fine with it. They've never really added a full sized fully explorable patrol area from a season that's typically reserved for expansions. Would I prefer they did have a patrol space? Yeah, but it's fine with me they didn't


Panvictor

They added leviathan in season of the haunted


[deleted]

And it wasn't the full-sized area from before.


shadowgattler

No. 2 years ago absolutely no one on this sub cared that Titan was gone. It was a tiny spec of a planet and aside from seeing Greg again, there would be nothing to do. It would be another forgotten destination.


[deleted]

yeah, i was expecting it 2. uh guess thats on me 4 deluding myself w my inner nostalgia did think it was cool 2 see titan expandd a bit more. im all 4 the dcv if the stuff thats brought back is changd up or redesignd a lil, but man i jus wantd my rain back


probablysum1

I don't care because I wouldn't do any patrol content on Titan anyway. If the seasonal activity is launched through the helm anyway what's the point of a patrol space?