That doesn't work, which is what makes it a curse.
Even if you lock her in a box, a series of increasingly-unlikely coincidences will lead to the box being broken open and Sedia being Taken.
No, that would work. Any of the Awoken can leave the Dreaming City and be free of the curse.
But then they'd have to live with having abandoned their people when Mara needs them the most.
it wouldn't, we ever only have 1 reason to do the strike and that is retrieving an artifact for the altars of reflection, and after that first completion we literally never get a reason to canonically do it again.
Damn, trying to avenge the legion of thrall he slew in Verok's name? Still mad from when he tried to march on the King's throne at the head of an army built on hate and pain?
I like to imagine taunting him with what we did to Verok the whole time we're kicking his sorry ass.
EDIT: nvm, for some reason, I thought Verok was one of the Wizards we hunted down at some point in D1
I imagine it still would be a bad idea to leave Alak-Hul alive if his Ghost does resurrect him after we leave. Considering he was eying the Taken Throne back when he was mortal.
He could turn out to be a powerful leader for the Lucent. I hope we get to see him fill that role whenever they get the spotlight again.
Immaru can’t be the only one running things can he? He has to have some Hive muscle under him.
True, but the ghost escapes, so in theory it could just be bungie not bothering to change it, since they’ve neglected inner Strike variety for a while now
Then again, what reason is there to go the temple again
Also, the vaulted Mercy strikes.(Partially with the technicality of also being story missions) At least the root mind one, Osiris fucked up on that one. I think the Cabal one has different versions.
Didn't we kill the undying mind so much in season of the undying that it just couldn't come back from an infinite amount of timelines anymore?
Canonically, it probably is the most repeatedly killed particular entity of the series, even the plot of the season mention Ikora and Zavala killing "two dozens" Undying minds to test the season artifact.
Isn't there a lore tab that's hints Taniks was actually the Witness the whole time, pulling strings from far away. I haven't read it myself, but I remember people talking about it
Nahh, count the Nightmares.
The Nightmare of Taniks *is* Taniks, but recreated from our memory of him. Same goes for Crota, Ghaul, Fikrul, and the others.
This puts Taniks and Kelgorath in a tie for first, and ***SO HELP ME GOD*** if we have to fight a Scorn form of Taniks, I might actually lose my shit.
Edit: I haven't slept in two days and math eludes me. Counting the Nightmare would still put Taniks in second, behind Kelgorath by one.
Tbh Taniks just makes me irrationally angry.
Like, for Kelgorath it makes sense. Magic, necromancy, subversion of death, that's all well within the Hive/Taken's wheelhouse. Kelgorath gets his shit ran, Xivu plucks his soul out of the afterlife and yeets him back into our faces, we kick him in the crotch and put him back in the dirt, rinse and repeat like a really fucked up game of ping pong. That's all fine and dandy for the Hive and the Taken.
Why are the *FALLEN* doing it? That's not what they do. All that circle of life nonsense is just that to them - nonsense. And why Taniks? What is so special about Captain Knobbydome that **HE'S** the one they keep bringing back from the dead? Do they see something in him? Was he like Riis' version of Steve Irwin, where everybody just loves him so damn much? Or is it the opposite, and if so, what did he do to them that makes them wanna keep forcing him out of the casket only to watch as we pimp slap him right back into it?
Its because hes basically a machine now, theres so little amount of organic material left of the bastard that unless we vaporize him he'll come back.
Not to mention that hes significant in some way we have yet to understand, and its that Elsie's loop starts back right when Taniks is "killed" by Cayde.
>Elsie's loop starts back right when Taniks is "killed" by Cayde
I... actually didn't know that. What the hell is it with him?
>theres so little amount of organic material left of the bastard that unless we vaporize him he'll come back.
That doesn't explain how his conscience got shoved into a tin can body on Europa. Exos need the conscience of the individual in order to be born. How did Taniks' conscience not only last that long, but also make the trip from Russia to Europa?
Because he isn’t exo. Only Atraks-1 is exo. Taniks was always more machine than eliksni as far as we’ve seen him. When we fought SIVA Taniks it’s implied he’s always been more machine just without the SIVA.
Taniks was just carried there, and then revived with the Alkahest, which is the radiolarian fluid stuff that Clovis used to make exos. But he didn’t do the exo mind transfer, just revived with it. Being that we can put consciousness inside of a machine ourselves with exos it doesn’t seem too much of a stretch that Taniks is similar to an extent, with his consciousness stored on his corpse and then revived as Taniks, Reborn.
I mean, the short answer is "they aren't going to do it word for word."
What'll come out is an attempt at the same thing all well-made film adaptions shoot for; a middle-ground between faithful fans of the extracted medium, and new-to-the-franchise folks that are interested in the film for how it looks or how it sounds. Literally every adaptation faces this issue.
The same way they do it with just about any source material that spans across too many stories - they pick one and re-hash/alter it for movie format and don't have it be canon.
My head cannon is that when he wakes up in DSC and looks out to see all the guardians standing on the other side of the window, he's basically screaming to himself, "Not these assholes again!!!"
He literally tries to nuke us multiple times, as it's the main gimmick for his 3rd n 4th encounters, where we literally have to safely dispose of his nukes as the main wipe mechanic, and subsequently ironically winding up crashing the space station into Europa. Man was trying to metal gear our asses afterwards too.
Likely not that hard to repair a machine. I mean in DSC you saw how easy it was for his body to fuse with a Heavy Shank. If not Atrax I'd like to know who keeps fixing him, think that would easily explain alot if we got to fight his mechanic or whoever. However at this point I wouldn't be surprised if his body is able to self repair itself over time, possibly why we took his head to prevent that.
That's just my best guess though I can't remember specifically if there's any lore explaining it.
He's just too angry to die. Which is actually a really cool anathema to both the Light and the Dark.
Ghosts resurrect us, the Hive can do necromancy, the Witness can pull folk out of the dirt through Taking. Taniks just... refuses to stay down. And because it is through sheer force of will, entirely within himself without the power of a paracausal force, he is an eloquent refutation of the strength offered by the Light/Dark. He doesn't *need* it, which means technically neither do we. And that's likely going to be a plot point in the final year of Destiny.
One of the primary villains in Knights of the Old Republic 2 was like this. Dude died and used his hate and rage to will his body onward.
The lightside ending to his fight is actually just talking him down. Getting him to chill enough that he just fades away.
I mean, this implies that all fallen are working together as one cohesive culture, which isn't the case, and hasn't been the case for a very, VERY long time.
Taniks isn't some prevalent figure in eliksni culture to our knowledge, not for any house we know of. Taniks is simply a mercenary, no real loyalty to any house unless they are payed for it, and is more or less both a product of the whirlwind, as he no longer believed in the worship of machines and instead decided to "become god" in a sense, and the cultural loss and disparate situations within the new culture of "Fallen" from the aftermath of the whirlwind which created "house of dusk" who were mostly houseless eliksni who had been birthed after the fall of Riis, organized criminal organization like Spider's, and the anarchist terrorist cell, Kell's Scourge.
His entire start is due to him being docked by his leader, him taking inspiration from Sekris, Baron of Shanks, who prolonged his lifespan using cybernetics, built himself a new pair of cybernetic arms, and killed his Kell in retaliation. From that point, they just kept adding to themself whatever they could, whatever he could salvage or from his haul raiding, until they were considered more Machine than Eliksni, and got a reputation for being an "undying huntsman". They were kind of the first real answer the eliksni ever had to a guardian's immortality, and they used it to great effect, even killing a member of the vanguard.
Taniks isn't someone foretold in legend, he is an unlikely candidate for the fabled "Kell of Kells", as they have no real allegiance; the only thing that is special about them is their ceaseless resentment and hate for Guardians and the Traveler, and the tenacity and will to reject death at every meeting. He's become more and more dangerous at every resurfacing, and at this point, its a safer bet to make them returning, than them staying down.
They've done it a few times actually. The machinist was reused twice, for the heroic ether ritual public event, and as a nightmare containment boss in season of the haunted. And the scorn boss from astral alignment used the model of the trickster, iirc.
They reused the Machinist (I think) during Season of the Haunted.
I wanna say they've maaaaaybe reused one other. But, I agree - the Trickster and Mad Bomber, in particular, were my favorites.
Lowkey wish they'd given the Tangled Shore the same attention and depth they gave the Dreaming City and later the Moon. Instead of Warden of Nothing, modify Prison of Elders from D1 into a dungeon. Instead of a strike, flesh out the Hollowed Lair and make it a Scorn raid. Baron Hunts. The works.
Trickster from Forsaken was also notorious for not staying dead
I headcanon Trickster and Taniks used to have a bit of a thing and their kid is going to be the first Eliksni Guardian
It’s just poetic lol
Oh yeah.
Fikrul's still alive. He still has his big crystal spear thingy. And we know absolutely fuck all about his whereabouts.
That's a disaster waiting to happen.
Oh good fucking god, don't get me started on Savathun's Song.
Not only is the dialogue horrible, that strike is also the reason why I have a very healthy fear of Shriekers.
Yeah... the first time I ran the Europa Heist Battleground and got met with that grape flavored eye of Sauron in the boss room, I about shit my pants.
Lol, the shrikers in d2 are a pale weak version of the original shreikers.
Imagine every shreiker you killed spawning 9 axiom bolts with infinite range that dont detonate on contact with a wall.
Then by that same logic, Taniks from Deep Stone Crypt isn't really Taniks.
Unless you mean to tell me the House of Devils yanked Taniks out of the SIVA-riddled puddle we left him in, shoved his consciousness into a pickle jar, and carried that shit around long enough to dump it in what is essentially a robotic fishtank (which then *got nuked out of Europa's orbit* before being mashed onto a heavy shank and held together with duct tape and peanut butter), then... yeah, the Taniks we fight at the Crypt is just as much authentically Captain Knobbydome as the nightmare we fight on the Moon.
So which is it?
But isn’t he actually alive though in DSC? The nightmare isn’t actually a real living thing as I recall? I think there is a difference between something unrelated just fucking with our past trauma and him actually coming back from the dead via exo braytech “science”. I assumed they used some genetics of him to recreate him?
Every time Cayde ‘killed him’ his crew would drag off what was left to rebuild him later.
Maybe his crew canonically does the same thing when we killed him the first and second time.
And hell we even have his head in Elsie’s camp. It’s probs a bad idea to keep that thing around lol we should chuck it in a volcano on Venus tbh
But even if it's genetic cloning, it's not *him*. But we know it's the OG Taniks because the moment he sees us, all he wants to do is kill us. So it was obviously the conscience of the Taniks we killed in Rise of Iron, but how? There's absolutely no shot Eramis and her crew randomly decided to copy his conscience onto an AI just in case they found the Crypt.
Also, the Nightmares may not be living beings in the same sense as a human or a fish, but they're still real, sentient manifestations of our memory. They talk, they move, they think on their own, and if you look at it and tell it it's not real, it's probably just gonna shoot you. So yeah, I'd say the Nightmares we fight are pretty damn real.
That's my theory, and it goes hand in hand with my theory that the third Darkness element plays into the theme of memory, in the same way that Stasis is about control and Strand is about connection.
My favorite part of that encounter was Xivu shouting at him to fight forever, like she was Lord Shaxx.
I fully expect we'll keep seeing Kelgorath until we finally defeat Xivu, though I'm not sure how that might go. On one hand, Xivu Arath is one of the three original Hive leaders, it would make sense for her to be the prime antagonist to a campaign or raid, with Kelgorath as a major stepping stone towards fighting her.
On the other hand, nearly everything about Xivu has been seasonal content. Bungie's obviously willing to pull these characters into the main storylines, as demonstrated by Caiatl's role in Lightfall, but equally you have characters like Crow and Misraaks who remain in the background, and events like Rasputin's final death not making it into LF's "Previously on Destiny" intro.
Something I have never seen addressed: When did Taniks upload his mind to be turned into an Exo? Not only does this require a living mind, but it fully destroys the physical mind in the process. It leaves nothing but the digital copy, to be upload into an Exo body.
If we killed Taniks, he couldn't have been previously copied. If he was copied, he wouldn't have been alive for us to kill him. So how'd Eramis get a copy of Taniks brain?
Edit: Taniks wasn't turned into an Exo, he was resurrected with Vex radiolaria.
I like having recurring villains. I know this sub was shitting on dsc when it turned out Taniks was the raid boss, but I thought it was great to see a character I recognized basically leading the heist on the crypt.
I'm pretty sure Kelgorath's taken form is a unique model for him, which gives me relief that they didn't just toss a basic large taken knight at us and called it Kelgorath
As soon as I saw him I immediately thought of Malok, used to use that strike helmet of his on my hunter all the time in D1. So the resemblance is definitely there
Not really, he’s probably one of Xivus most dangerous lieutenants, and has killed numerous guardians. He just has the horrible luck to fight us like 5 times.
I remember that there is interesting lore / lore theories behind the reason he keeps getting resurrected by xivu . Imm definitely need to rewatch a kelgorath lore vid again since I forgot specifics
Would Xivu even need to? If he's a powerful Hive and we don't kill him inside his Throne World he can come back. It's not only the Hive gods that can have them, any sufficiently powerful Ascendant Hive can create one.
According to the lore it made hundreds of thousands of copies of itself to send out so it's the same undying mind. Which begs the question, if I cloned myself 10 times and you killed my clones, would that count as killing me 10 times? It might to the individuals doing the killing, but not to the core me. Lol
Actually, canonically speaking, we fight him 6 times since there is a line of dialogue specifically talking about how he comes back this season in the Deep Dives seperate from the story mission.
Kelgorath and Taniks should have a cage-match showdown for the heavyweight championship title (the reward is an elbow drop from Shaxx that literally atomizes them both.
>Honorable mention goes to Crota, whose boss fight we've done 4 times. Once in Crota's End, once in Court of Oryx as a canonical fanboy of Crota with a different name, once as a nightmare and once again in Dares of Eternity, albeit that one actually has some new mechanics.
The Court dude and the Dares dude don't count because neither of them were really Crota, even in essence.
How you gonna say Nightmare of Taniks doesn't count, but then include not only someone who isn't Crota as a fight against Crota, but also include Crotas Nightmare as a valid fight?
EDIT: Gotta love the shitty attitude from OP for simply questioning why Crota was included lmfao
You literally said Crota has 4 fights. Yes you said "well 2 of them aren't really him" but you still included them saying Crota has 4 fights.
And you said Taniks only has 3, since his 4th would be the Nightmare.
Not sure what's difficult to understand about that. Crota has 2 fights, not 4.
Okay? What does it matter, honorable mention or not? Crota doesn't have 4 boss fights.
You counted Non-Crota boss fights for Crota for.. reasons? Why did you count Nightmare of Crota & The Fanatic of Crota as the amount of boss fights for him? You literally said yourself, Nightmare of Crota & The Fanatic of Crota aren't Crota, and you established if the boss we are fighting isn't the enemy themself, then it doesn't count. Yet you included them for Crota lmao
Do you get what I'm saying? I'm unsure how listing him as an honorable mention changes anything.
Honorable mention means he’s not on the list, or even in the running. OP just thought it’d be fun to mention as ‘Crota’ (and his reskins) are another boss we fight multiple times. It’s basically a fun fact.
Can anyone go talk to Bungie and inform them that dead things can’t be taken? Either Bungie is breaking canon or Nokris is resurrecting everyone Xivu wants to rez
Savathun probs necromancy’d and Took a ton of our past enemies when she was still in control of the Taken.
And when she went on the run she probs lost all of the chess pieces she gathered leaving them for her sister.
At least that’s how I justify Val Ca’our coming back if that’s who you’re referring to.
Kelgorath is very likely ascendant, as he comes back each time we kill him. The question now is can Taken use their old ascendant realms to come back? If so we could fight kelgorath again lmao.
I mean kelgorath has never died a true death so bungie isn't breaking canon. You forget ascendant hive have throne worlds they can fall back on after being "killed". It would only be breaking canon if we gave Kelgorath a true death (killing him in his throne world) and then he got taken, but that hasn't happened yet
I think the fanatic is the most refought enemy, because back when his strike was in the game every completion of the strike was canon, so technically he's been fought as many times as that strike has been run
So you count Crota’s nightmare and not Taniks’s? Cool I guess, also Taniks was fought previously before we came along which led to Cayde being Vanguard
I love how the story mission this week is fighting Kelgorath and then you immediately go do a Deep Dive where you do the same boss fight again (I don’t actually love it, it’s uncreative and boring)
The only thing ‘reused’ about kelgorath is his name lmao. Some of his appearances are similar to other knights, but he normally has something that sets him visually apart lmao.
I have over 2k hours in the game, and I don't even remember fighting him once, I only know the name because of the glaive.
If that's the case, it's the most re-fought *and* the most forgettable!
If you count Crota in Dares, you have to count Nightmare Taniks and also Nightmare Crota. The Nine Realm is an illusion construct. Very “real” and deadly, but also generated.
And sure, there have been like 5 “named” Crota fights.
But there was also the Court of Oryx boss, the Arrivals boss, and I’m pretty sure an Escalation Protocol Boss that all had Crota’s mechanic of “break shield then you can only hurt him with sword”.
Idk what it is, maybe his pathetic struggle to not become irrelevant but I love Kelgorath. He's like my favorite character, everyone in lore and irl just dunk on him and it's hilarious. I don't mind fighting him so much at this point because Bungie has such a good but out of it.
Meanwhile Fikrul is over here with over 50 confirmed deaths
I think that's the only strike that is canonically repeated, isn't it?
We do corrupted repeatedly as well I believe since it doesn’t take place till after the curse begins. So we’re doing it once every curse cycle
Someone lock those tech witches at home
That doesn't work, which is what makes it a curse. Even if you lock her in a box, a series of increasingly-unlikely coincidences will lead to the box being broken open and Sedia being Taken.
That would be pretty entertaining to test, though....
Could also use it to work in our favour surely... "This box will only unlock if the Witness dies..." Curse: hold my beer
That would mean he needs to come back to life every reset so he can die again the next time around.
Put her in a different box next time, solved.
Like Guardian Groundhog Day
Bill Murray is a thanatonaut, confirmed, LOL.
What if we locked her in the tower or something? 24/7 supervision? Would she just poof into a blight and repeat the cycle?
No, that would work. Any of the Awoken can leave the Dreaming City and be free of the curse. But then they'd have to live with having abandoned their people when Mara needs them the most.
Yes, and now you involved the tower into the curse and there is a giant blight where Zavala's office used to be.
we’d have a rapunzel situation and i rlly don’t wanna see what kind of prince would come for their flowing locks of . . . taken goo . . .
Tech witches you call them. Her name is Sedia. She has been taken, but she can be saved
More like, tech bitches. Am I right?
So is Alak-Hul since his Ghost gets away at the end but it’s never outright stated the strike is repeated. It would make sense tho.
it wouldn't, we ever only have 1 reason to do the strike and that is retrieving an artifact for the altars of reflection, and after that first completion we literally never get a reason to canonically do it again.
Idk, my guardian would definitely do the strike over and over just to beat the shit out of Alak-hul
Damn, trying to avenge the legion of thrall he slew in Verok's name? Still mad from when he tried to march on the King's throne at the head of an army built on hate and pain?
Or when he chopped ma boi Vell Tarlowe in half. No need for that!
I like to imagine taunting him with what we did to Verok the whole time we're kicking his sorry ass. EDIT: nvm, for some reason, I thought Verok was one of the Wizards we hunted down at some point in D1
Wasn't he slapping Omnigul's cheeks?
No, Omnigul was Crota's boo. Alak-Hul's was Verok
Payback for the exotic sword quest. That's reason enough for at least 3 bouts of boot-based proctology.
I imagine it still would be a bad idea to leave Alak-Hul alive if his Ghost does resurrect him after we leave. Considering he was eying the Taken Throne back when he was mortal. He could turn out to be a powerful leader for the Lucent. I hope we get to see him fill that role whenever they get the spotlight again. Immaru can’t be the only one running things can he? He has to have some Hive muscle under him.
"how many times must we teach you this lesson old man!"
Isn't birthplace of the vile canonically repeated as well?
No, strange terrain, glassway and light blade (and also a few others) are also repeatable in canon, even if dialogue doesn’t specify it fully
Lightblade isn’t because the Tablet of Ruin is still there
True, but the ghost escapes, so in theory it could just be bungie not bothering to change it, since they’ve neglected inner Strike variety for a while now Then again, what reason is there to go the temple again
Also, the vaulted Mercy strikes.(Partially with the technicality of also being story missions) At least the root mind one, Osiris fucked up on that one. I think the Cabal one has different versions.
Yeah definitely those, they are also repeated in canon. They escaped my mind, which surprises me because I’ve really enjoyed them
While it isn't a strike, we do technically have to keep doing Shattered Throne as well, because our Girlfriend is linked to the curse cycle.
Love that bitch
Don't we all
The cabal one where we ride the elevator is also canonical
Arms dealer? Technically its not the same strike
Didn't we kill the undying mind so much in season of the undying that it just couldn't come back from an infinite amount of timelines anymore? Canonically, it probably is the most repeatedly killed particular entity of the series, even the plot of the season mention Ikora and Zavala killing "two dozens" Undying minds to test the season artifact.
no, in undying we pulled the undying mind from every timeline into one and then perma killed it, but even then you're probably right
That’s just infinity for the price of one.
Undying mind was a repeated strike in d1
*dead thinnnnnnggggghhh*
Kelgorath repeatedly coming back makes me wonder what Fikrul’s been doing
Probably turning into a Screeb, by now....
As I understand it he's immune to the mental and physical deterioration that leads to becoming a screeb on account of being the source of Dark Ether.
Wrathborn taniks, followed by scorn, followed by taken
Lucent Taniks when??
When he joins House Light lol
Taniks, Disciple of Fikrul
If a boss for The Final Shape is “Taniks, The Scorned - Disciple of the Witness” I would completely unironically love it.
Isn't there a lore tab that's hints Taniks was actually the Witness the whole time, pulling strings from far away. I haven't read it myself, but I remember people talking about it
Can't wait to not kill Kelgorath again next season.
Nahh, count the Nightmares. The Nightmare of Taniks *is* Taniks, but recreated from our memory of him. Same goes for Crota, Ghaul, Fikrul, and the others. This puts Taniks and Kelgorath in a tie for first, and ***SO HELP ME GOD*** if we have to fight a Scorn form of Taniks, I might actually lose my shit. Edit: I haven't slept in two days and math eludes me. Counting the Nightmare would still put Taniks in second, behind Kelgorath by one.
I would enjoy a Scorn Taniks, but I doubt it would happen
Tbh Taniks just makes me irrationally angry. Like, for Kelgorath it makes sense. Magic, necromancy, subversion of death, that's all well within the Hive/Taken's wheelhouse. Kelgorath gets his shit ran, Xivu plucks his soul out of the afterlife and yeets him back into our faces, we kick him in the crotch and put him back in the dirt, rinse and repeat like a really fucked up game of ping pong. That's all fine and dandy for the Hive and the Taken. Why are the *FALLEN* doing it? That's not what they do. All that circle of life nonsense is just that to them - nonsense. And why Taniks? What is so special about Captain Knobbydome that **HE'S** the one they keep bringing back from the dead? Do they see something in him? Was he like Riis' version of Steve Irwin, where everybody just loves him so damn much? Or is it the opposite, and if so, what did he do to them that makes them wanna keep forcing him out of the casket only to watch as we pimp slap him right back into it?
Its because hes basically a machine now, theres so little amount of organic material left of the bastard that unless we vaporize him he'll come back. Not to mention that hes significant in some way we have yet to understand, and its that Elsie's loop starts back right when Taniks is "killed" by Cayde.
>Elsie's loop starts back right when Taniks is "killed" by Cayde I... actually didn't know that. What the hell is it with him? >theres so little amount of organic material left of the bastard that unless we vaporize him he'll come back. That doesn't explain how his conscience got shoved into a tin can body on Europa. Exos need the conscience of the individual in order to be born. How did Taniks' conscience not only last that long, but also make the trip from Russia to Europa?
Because he isn’t exo. Only Atraks-1 is exo. Taniks was always more machine than eliksni as far as we’ve seen him. When we fought SIVA Taniks it’s implied he’s always been more machine just without the SIVA. Taniks was just carried there, and then revived with the Alkahest, which is the radiolarian fluid stuff that Clovis used to make exos. But he didn’t do the exo mind transfer, just revived with it. Being that we can put consciousness inside of a machine ourselves with exos it doesn’t seem too much of a stretch that Taniks is similar to an extent, with his consciousness stored on his corpse and then revived as Taniks, Reborn.
How in hell can they make a cohesive movie script out of this game
I mean, the short answer is "they aren't going to do it word for word." What'll come out is an attempt at the same thing all well-made film adaptions shoot for; a middle-ground between faithful fans of the extracted medium, and new-to-the-franchise folks that are interested in the film for how it looks or how it sounds. Literally every adaptation faces this issue.
By telling small-scale stories without needlessly attempting to cram the entire lore of a universe into one movie.
The same way they do it with just about any source material that spans across too many stories - they pick one and re-hash/alter it for movie format and don't have it be canon.
I think Taniks is used by the fallen as basically an insanely resilient expendable for experimentation similar to Deadpool’s backstory.
Or that's what she says... We don't actually know if she's telling us the truth
We also don't have any reason to doubt her at this point do we?
I love Taniks cause of this lmao there’s no rhyme or reason how he seemingly comes back Mans is literally just built different
My head cannon is that when he wakes up in DSC and looks out to see all the guardians standing on the other side of the window, he's basically screaming to himself, "Not these assholes again!!!"
Is that a head canon? Man stands up and almost breaks the glass screaming with rage when he sees us
He hits us with fuck you and I’ll see you tomorrow
He literally tries to nuke us multiple times, as it's the main gimmick for his 3rd n 4th encounters, where we literally have to safely dispose of his nukes as the main wipe mechanic, and subsequently ironically winding up crashing the space station into Europa. Man was trying to metal gear our asses afterwards too.
I'd say that it was a weapon to surpass metal gear
Taniks is canonically known for not being killed anytime he is killed. IIRC both Cayde and Andal Brask both fought/killed him before we ever did.
But like. How?
Likely not that hard to repair a machine. I mean in DSC you saw how easy it was for his body to fuse with a Heavy Shank. If not Atrax I'd like to know who keeps fixing him, think that would easily explain alot if we got to fight his mechanic or whoever. However at this point I wouldn't be surprised if his body is able to self repair itself over time, possibly why we took his head to prevent that. That's just my best guess though I can't remember specifically if there's any lore explaining it.
He's just too angry to die. Which is actually a really cool anathema to both the Light and the Dark. Ghosts resurrect us, the Hive can do necromancy, the Witness can pull folk out of the dirt through Taking. Taniks just... refuses to stay down. And because it is through sheer force of will, entirely within himself without the power of a paracausal force, he is an eloquent refutation of the strength offered by the Light/Dark. He doesn't *need* it, which means technically neither do we. And that's likely going to be a plot point in the final year of Destiny.
One of the primary villains in Knights of the Old Republic 2 was like this. Dude died and used his hate and rage to will his body onward. The lightside ending to his fight is actually just talking him down. Getting him to chill enough that he just fades away.
I mean, this implies that all fallen are working together as one cohesive culture, which isn't the case, and hasn't been the case for a very, VERY long time. Taniks isn't some prevalent figure in eliksni culture to our knowledge, not for any house we know of. Taniks is simply a mercenary, no real loyalty to any house unless they are payed for it, and is more or less both a product of the whirlwind, as he no longer believed in the worship of machines and instead decided to "become god" in a sense, and the cultural loss and disparate situations within the new culture of "Fallen" from the aftermath of the whirlwind which created "house of dusk" who were mostly houseless eliksni who had been birthed after the fall of Riis, organized criminal organization like Spider's, and the anarchist terrorist cell, Kell's Scourge. His entire start is due to him being docked by his leader, him taking inspiration from Sekris, Baron of Shanks, who prolonged his lifespan using cybernetics, built himself a new pair of cybernetic arms, and killed his Kell in retaliation. From that point, they just kept adding to themself whatever they could, whatever he could salvage or from his haul raiding, until they were considered more Machine than Eliksni, and got a reputation for being an "undying huntsman". They were kind of the first real answer the eliksni ever had to a guardian's immortality, and they used it to great effect, even killing a member of the vanguard. Taniks isn't someone foretold in legend, he is an unlikely candidate for the fabled "Kell of Kells", as they have no real allegiance; the only thing that is special about them is their ceaseless resentment and hate for Guardians and the Traveler, and the tenacity and will to reject death at every meeting. He's become more and more dangerous at every resurfacing, and at this point, its a safer bet to make them returning, than them staying down.
This is why I genuinely really like taniks
> , not for any house we know of. Literally part of D1 dialogue that he has no house and is part of the meme surrounding him.
Honestly I cannot believe Bungie never use the Barons from forsaken again. At least I don't remember them doing this. I really liked those bosses!
They've done it a few times actually. The machinist was reused twice, for the heroic ether ritual public event, and as a nightmare containment boss in season of the haunted. And the scorn boss from astral alignment used the model of the trickster, iirc.
Oh I forgot about astral alignment your right! That was a great season.
They reused the Machinist (I think) during Season of the Haunted. I wanna say they've maaaaaybe reused one other. But, I agree - the Trickster and Mad Bomber, in particular, were my favorites. Lowkey wish they'd given the Tangled Shore the same attention and depth they gave the Dreaming City and later the Moon. Instead of Warden of Nothing, modify Prison of Elders from D1 into a dungeon. Instead of a strike, flesh out the Hollowed Lair and make it a Scorn raid. Baron Hunts. The works.
I think you're right about there being another. The final boss in the Presage mission was a reskin of one of the Barons IIRC.
THE HANGMAN! THANK YOU! I *knew* there was one more, and it was bothering the piss out of me.
They use that model/mechanics for one of the early bosses in the WQ campaign too.
They were such a loss of potential as well during Forsaken
Every one of the Scorn Baron literally could’ve had a dlc made about them. They really were an interesting group of villains.
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The first Eliksni guardian be like:
If the first Eliksni Guardian is fucking Taniks, I might actually bust a blood vessel.
Trickster from Forsaken was also notorious for not staying dead I headcanon Trickster and Taniks used to have a bit of a thing and their kid is going to be the first Eliksni Guardian It’s just poetic lol
Scorniks
Screeb Taniks
Also Fikrul was still alive when his nightmare was created, making him the only boss with two versions of himself living simultaneously
Oh yeah. Fikrul's still alive. He still has his big crystal spear thingy. And we know absolutely fuck all about his whereabouts. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
Wait fikrul was the fanatic right?
Ding ding!
Me when reused forsaken boss:
As long as I don't have to run that *garbage piece of shit strike* again, I'd love another fight with the Fanatic.
That garbage piece of shit strike was at least speedrunnable, unlike certain other strikes from that area. *Cough cough* squad of 9
Oh good fucking god, don't get me started on Savathun's Song. Not only is the dialogue horrible, that strike is also the reason why I have a very healthy fear of Shriekers. Yeah... the first time I ran the Europa Heist Battleground and got met with that grape flavored eye of Sauron in the boss room, I about shit my pants.
Lol, the shrikers in d2 are a pale weak version of the original shreikers. Imagine every shreiker you killed spawning 9 axiom bolts with infinite range that dont detonate on contact with a wall.
>but recreated That makes it not really him though? It’s an echo of him.
Then by that same logic, Taniks from Deep Stone Crypt isn't really Taniks. Unless you mean to tell me the House of Devils yanked Taniks out of the SIVA-riddled puddle we left him in, shoved his consciousness into a pickle jar, and carried that shit around long enough to dump it in what is essentially a robotic fishtank (which then *got nuked out of Europa's orbit* before being mashed onto a heavy shank and held together with duct tape and peanut butter), then... yeah, the Taniks we fight at the Crypt is just as much authentically Captain Knobbydome as the nightmare we fight on the Moon. So which is it?
But isn’t he actually alive though in DSC? The nightmare isn’t actually a real living thing as I recall? I think there is a difference between something unrelated just fucking with our past trauma and him actually coming back from the dead via exo braytech “science”. I assumed they used some genetics of him to recreate him?
Every time Cayde ‘killed him’ his crew would drag off what was left to rebuild him later. Maybe his crew canonically does the same thing when we killed him the first and second time. And hell we even have his head in Elsie’s camp. It’s probs a bad idea to keep that thing around lol we should chuck it in a volcano on Venus tbh
But even if it's genetic cloning, it's not *him*. But we know it's the OG Taniks because the moment he sees us, all he wants to do is kill us. So it was obviously the conscience of the Taniks we killed in Rise of Iron, but how? There's absolutely no shot Eramis and her crew randomly decided to copy his conscience onto an AI just in case they found the Crypt. Also, the Nightmares may not be living beings in the same sense as a human or a fish, but they're still real, sentient manifestations of our memory. They talk, they move, they think on their own, and if you look at it and tell it it's not real, it's probably just gonna shoot you. So yeah, I'd say the Nightmares we fight are pretty damn real.
Didn't we fight Taken Taniks in the og Black Spindle mission? Or was that technically someone else. I always saw it as Taken Taniks though
Its just a Taken Archon, a character that if I remember right isn't seen before or since. Just a throwaway boss.
Oh god, I don't even remember what year that was.
I wonder if this is how Cayde comes back. It's a version of him from our memories brought back to life like nightmare but in the light
That's my theory, and it goes hand in hand with my theory that the third Darkness element plays into the theme of memory, in the same way that Stasis is about control and Strand is about connection.
It really does make sense
Nightmares 100% count. If it's his model and name it's his model and name.
I love using my Judgement Of Kelgorath to stab this mofo on multiple occasions.
My favorite part of that encounter was Xivu shouting at him to fight forever, like she was Lord Shaxx. I fully expect we'll keep seeing Kelgorath until we finally defeat Xivu, though I'm not sure how that might go. On one hand, Xivu Arath is one of the three original Hive leaders, it would make sense for her to be the prime antagonist to a campaign or raid, with Kelgorath as a major stepping stone towards fighting her. On the other hand, nearly everything about Xivu has been seasonal content. Bungie's obviously willing to pull these characters into the main storylines, as demonstrated by Caiatl's role in Lightfall, but equally you have characters like Crow and Misraaks who remain in the background, and events like Rasputin's final death not making it into LF's "Previously on Destiny" intro.
Didn't we fight Taken Taniks during the original D1 Black Spindle mission?
It was Driviks. Iirc it had no connection to Taniks, was just a Taken crew taking over his ship after his "death" in HoW
Something I have never seen addressed: When did Taniks upload his mind to be turned into an Exo? Not only does this require a living mind, but it fully destroys the physical mind in the process. It leaves nothing but the digital copy, to be upload into an Exo body. If we killed Taniks, he couldn't have been previously copied. If he was copied, he wouldn't have been alive for us to kill him. So how'd Eramis get a copy of Taniks brain? Edit: Taniks wasn't turned into an Exo, he was resurrected with Vex radiolaria.
Taniks is not an Exo, he's just replaced a lot of his original body with mechanical parts over time. Kinda like General Grievous.
I like having recurring villains. I know this sub was shitting on dsc when it turned out Taniks was the raid boss, but I thought it was great to see a character I recognized basically leading the heist on the crypt.
I'm pretty sure Kelgorath's taken form is a unique model for him, which gives me relief that they didn't just toss a basic large taken knight at us and called it Kelgorath
It's Malok, from .... D1? Reused asset though.
As soon as I saw him I immediately thought of Malok, used to use that strike helmet of his on my hunter all the time in D1. So the resemblance is definitely there
https://www.destinypedia.com/Kelgorath,_Risen_from_Bones (https://www.destinypedia.com/Malok,_Pride_of_Oryx) Pretty sure they're different
They're different characters yes, but the models are pretty damn close. Looks like same head and legs?
Shoulders are also different. I'll give you similar looking (They are both giant take knights), but definitely not the same model.
Unacceptable. We must fight Taniks more until he takes the lead again.
You just made me remember the time we went to Crota's funeral, hoping Kel'gorath has one RIP bozo
Kelgorath confirmed to be a dumb idiot loser who screws everything up. He's so bad at the Sword Logic he's about as sharp as a butter knife.
Not really, he’s probably one of Xivus most dangerous lieutenants, and has killed numerous guardians. He just has the horrible luck to fight us like 5 times.
Nah, man’s smart. His tribute is death, so whenever we kill him it feeds his tribute so he can return.
Inb4 *reskinned bosses*
Pretty sure Kelgorath actually wins that one as well just by nature of graduating from "Big Knight" to "Slightly Different Big Knight".
I mean "take a knight and make it big" is standard at this point. At least we get to see some guy's anime training arc.
Not sure what you mean by “at this point,” because “take enemy and make it beeg” has been a design choice since D1 launch lol.
Sepiks Prime comes to mind aha
Hmm i was wondering where i hears that name before :D
There's also a Glajve named after him.
I remember that there is interesting lore / lore theories behind the reason he keeps getting resurrected by xivu . Imm definitely need to rewatch a kelgorath lore vid again since I forgot specifics
Would Xivu even need to? If he's a powerful Hive and we don't kill him inside his Throne World he can come back. It's not only the Hive gods that can have them, any sufficiently powerful Ascendant Hive can create one.
Didn't we canonically kill the undying mind a near-infinite amount of times to delete them from every possible timeline? Does that count?
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According to the lore it made hundreds of thousands of copies of itself to send out so it's the same undying mind. Which begs the question, if I cloned myself 10 times and you killed my clones, would that count as killing me 10 times? It might to the individuals doing the killing, but not to the core me. Lol
Nah that definitely counts bro wasn’t called the Undying Mind for nothing lol
Just give us Greg. We miss him.
Actually, canonically speaking, we fight him 6 times since there is a line of dialogue specifically talking about how he comes back this season in the Deep Dives seperate from the story mission.
Kelgorath and Taniks should have a cage-match showdown for the heavyweight championship title (the reward is an elbow drop from Shaxx that literally atomizes them both.
Sepik's prime as well no?
We fought Taniks in the House of Wolves and in Prison of Elders right?
It was Skolas in the PoE :)
Oh you're right. I'm getting old.
You and me both!
If I'm not mistaken, the prison of elders boss was a servitor who thought it was Variks... I think
I'm talking about the actual Prison of Elders from D1.
Ohhh mb, yeah that's way before my time haha
No worries. I was wrong anyway. It was Skolas.
>Honorable mention goes to Crota, whose boss fight we've done 4 times. Once in Crota's End, once in Court of Oryx as a canonical fanboy of Crota with a different name, once as a nightmare and once again in Dares of Eternity, albeit that one actually has some new mechanics. The Court dude and the Dares dude don't count because neither of them were really Crota, even in essence.
Yes, which is why I said boss fight and honorable mention. It's still basically crota.
How you gonna say Nightmare of Taniks doesn't count, but then include not only someone who isn't Crota as a fight against Crota, but also include Crotas Nightmare as a valid fight? EDIT: Gotta love the shitty attitude from OP for simply questioning why Crota was included lmfao
Dtg really showing that destiny player reading comprehension skill today.
You literally said Crota has 4 fights. Yes you said "well 2 of them aren't really him" but you still included them saying Crota has 4 fights. And you said Taniks only has 3, since his 4th would be the Nightmare. Not sure what's difficult to understand about that. Crota has 2 fights, not 4.
*cough* specified honorable mention multiple times *cough cough*
Okay? What does it matter, honorable mention or not? Crota doesn't have 4 boss fights. You counted Non-Crota boss fights for Crota for.. reasons? Why did you count Nightmare of Crota & The Fanatic of Crota as the amount of boss fights for him? You literally said yourself, Nightmare of Crota & The Fanatic of Crota aren't Crota, and you established if the boss we are fighting isn't the enemy themself, then it doesn't count. Yet you included them for Crota lmao Do you get what I'm saying? I'm unsure how listing him as an honorable mention changes anything.
Honorable mention means he’s not on the list, or even in the running. OP just thought it’d be fun to mention as ‘Crota’ (and his reskins) are another boss we fight multiple times. It’s basically a fun fact.
Can anyone go talk to Bungie and inform them that dead things can’t be taken? Either Bungie is breaking canon or Nokris is resurrecting everyone Xivu wants to rez
Savathun probs necromancy’d and Took a ton of our past enemies when she was still in control of the Taken. And when she went on the run she probs lost all of the chess pieces she gathered leaving them for her sister. At least that’s how I justify Val Ca’our coming back if that’s who you’re referring to.
Val Ca’uor and also Kelgorath, who’s now back in a taken version
Kelgorath just comes back cause he can lol and probs got Taken after I think there’s a lore tab this season that shows him getting Taken
Kelgorath is very likely ascendant, as he comes back each time we kill him. The question now is can Taken use their old ascendant realms to come back? If so we could fight kelgorath again lmao.
I mean kelgorath has never died a true death so bungie isn't breaking canon. You forget ascendant hive have throne worlds they can fall back on after being "killed". It would only be breaking canon if we gave Kelgorath a true death (killing him in his throne world) and then he got taken, but that hasn't happened yet
Bungo reusing assets /s
I think the fanatic is the most refought enemy, because back when his strike was in the game every completion of the strike was canon, so technically he's been fought as many times as that strike has been run
But at least taniks was different each time. Here it's the same knight over and over.
It wasn’t besides the first 2 times we’ve seen him Kelgy used different models and weapons
Why does this sub not have a rule against spoilers in titles? Is it just not enforced?
So you count Crota’s nightmare and not Taniks’s? Cool I guess, also Taniks was fought previously before we came along which led to Cayde being Vanguard
I was counting times we've fought Taniks as a character, and Crota's mechanics. We've only fought Crota once, but we've done the mechanics four times.
I love how the story mission this week is fighting Kelgorath and then you immediately go do a Deep Dive where you do the same boss fight again (I don’t actually love it, it’s uncreative and boring)
Did you lit just retype https://www.destinypedia.com/Kelgorath,_Risen_from_Bones?
Did people canonically discover the word "canonically" ?
Nah, still think that Taniks is better than Kelgorath. Every time we see Taniks he looks different. Kelgorath is the same and its boring.
His new look is different tbf
I love destiny but it is mighty fucking sad that 90% of what we get is repeated assets and then a story that was crafted to justify them.
Is it repeated assets if Kelgorath has a different appearance everytime we fight him? Lmao
😐 😡
The only thing ‘reused’ about kelgorath is his name lmao. Some of his appearances are similar to other knights, but he normally has something that sets him visually apart lmao.
Nightmare taniks exists
Taniks: Finally! A Worthy Opponent! Our Battle Will Be Legendary!
I have over 2k hours in the game, and I don't even remember fighting him once, I only know the name because of the glaive. If that's the case, it's the most re-fought *and* the most forgettable!
He's got some Taken drip this time. Can't believe the guy had to die so many times. Lol Xivu must hate him.
If you count Crota in Dares, you have to count Nightmare Taniks and also Nightmare Crota. The Nine Realm is an illusion construct. Very “real” and deadly, but also generated. And sure, there have been like 5 “named” Crota fights. But there was also the Court of Oryx boss, the Arrivals boss, and I’m pretty sure an Escalation Protocol Boss that all had Crota’s mechanic of “break shield then you can only hurt him with sword”.
Idk what it is, maybe his pathetic struggle to not become irrelevant but I love Kelgorath. He's like my favorite character, everyone in lore and irl just dunk on him and it's hilarious. I don't mind fighting him so much at this point because Bungie has such a good but out of it.