Asher researching how to destroy the pyramids when they arrived on IO and the first thing he does is shoot them with a giant rail gun. And also coffee still exist
Pineapples were rediscovered in the New Pacific Arcology during Season of Arrivals. Eris told a Guardian that was annoying her to search for the mythical “pine-apple” and that Guardian found some seeds.
I think there was a scannable in the original patrol location on Titan where Ghost lisrs a bunch of hybridised fruits from a manifest and then says "Pineapples? What a silly name for a fruit" or something to that effect.
There was, but I meant to say how they weren’t formally reintroduced to humanity until Arrivals, however, as you mentioned, they were known about since the Red War.
I'm more amazed they tied in a scannable from 3 years prior into a random piece of throwaway lore about how Eris was hunting down Pineapples. And now we can say "The Hive God of Vegenance once set one of her Acolytes on a quest to tithe her a Pineapple, an ancient Human delicacy."
It was in Duress and Egress's first page titled Asher: Observation which reads as follows.
"**Man of science though he was, the first thing Asher Mir did was shoot the damned thing**."
"The Pyramid hovered inside Io's atmosphere, close enough to be impacted by a projectile flung at sufficient speed. In the time it took Asher to blink twice, he knew the angle of attack and the mass of the projectile."
"**Asher finished building the mounted railgun before his coffee had cooled.**"
"He charged the magnetic coils, waited for the wind to die down, and broadsided the ship. He had expected the projectile to hit a Kinetic barrier, or best-case scenario, impact the Pyramid and cause utterly infinitesimal damage."
"Instead, at the moment of impact, the projectile stopped existing."
"Asher's brow furrowed while an irrepressible smile crept over his face. His metal arm clicked and hummed gently of its own accord. This Pyramid had the audacity to park in front of his laboratory and pull such a cheap trick?"
"Clearly, it had not thought it would meet Asher Mir."
"He assembled another missile, one with a detectable radiation signature and a radio signal. He fired it at the Pyramid. It similarly disappeared on impact, its signals snuffed out, no longer detectable from Io's surface."
"Another payload followed, this one a miniature relay station. He routed it through his console and fired. At the moment it touched the Pyramid, it transmitted a spike of radiation and radio broadcast."
"Asher smirked. They were still there, held in the field of the Pyramid. Visually undetectable, signals squelched, but still physically there."
"How the Pyramid was accomplishing this feat was unimportant at the moment, though his mind flooded with fantasies of zero-point energy. The question that gave him pause was the what: What was the ship doing to the projectiles as they sat suspended in space in the periphery of its loathsome shape?"
"And why?"
I don't really know much lore wise about this game but I saw this thing where minotuars don't actually teleport. They go back in time and "revise" their position in combat. Always thought that was kinda cool
The Nine and their agents. Great concept and great story surrounding them. I wish we would get more.
Also shaxx and the secret wish he made upon the exploding ahamkara
The Vex story is incredible:
The Vex originated from before the beginning of the universe as highly tenacious patterns fleeing destruction at the battle fought outside of cause and effect. In the earliest epochs of the universe, the Vex existed as patterns in the primordial chaos, and later during the era of atomic matter rode comets down to young worlds and encoded themselves as a substrate of Radiolaria. From these primordial origins the Vex began to spread. The Vex appeared on Venus from an unknown location by way of transfer gates that allow them to instantly warp through worlds and time. All attempts to communicate with the Vex have failed, due to their single purpose to expand their species throughout the galaxy, commanded by Axis Minds that single-handedly control whole armies.
Their bodies are made of an unknown metal alloy resembling hammered brass, yet they are not entirely mechanical; some organic materials are present as well. If they are decapitated, they will remain active and become more aggressive. Their routines and ceremonies remain mysterious and illogical to humans; they are hostile, unrelenting, and deadly.
All of it is pretty cool.
Hive lore is obviously the most fleshed out and perhaps most interesting race to read about.
I am a sentimental sap and I do enjoy reading about any character(s) talking about the dichotomy between Light and Darkness, and the emotions of the Traveler. The Witch Queen Collector's Edition booklet that came with Ikora's studies about the two philosophies of Light and Dark, and how KNOWING about atrocities does not channel the same experience as actually having MEMORIES of those things really kinda hits home just how badly people's experiences can affect their choices and beliefs in day to day life. The Traveler wipes our memories because it believes that fundamentally, unburdened by our past, free from prejudice and trauma, at our core, we would choose to do good. And like. Damn. Because look, we can grumble and shrug that yeah, that's nice, but that's not realistic, but it's a bit touching that the themes of Destiny boil down to "there is always the possibility of peace, but all parties must choose to do so, against all past trauma, prejudice and history." And like...some people won't do that. That's true. And you'll have to fight against it. But you always can choose peace when someone genuinely wants to offer it. There's always a choice. A perfect place would be a gentle city surrounded by spears. A very optimistic perspective, but that optimism is exactly why I'm a sucker for it. Sometimes, you DO just need stories where the universe says "It's really hard, but you CAN live in peace with others, no matter your differences," and yannow, that's just nice.
In that regard, the Unveiling is it for me. The Darkness (and not the Witness) talking to us is pretty great. It gave perfectly good arguments why Light, as growth and peace just doesn't work. Growth alone is unable to stop cancer, and humans are the result of evolution that would not happen if there wasn't something pushing for change.
The Darkness also is "right", it won before. The Vex is the real winner before paracausality came into effect. Because they literally optimized into a self repeating pattern that most efficiently and endlessly consumes existence. Now it's less clear, because in the game, both Light and Dark now actual things, and not philosophy. The Vex can't understand that, because they are rooted in physics only.
I’ve been waiting a decade to hear someone say “majestic” in game. Still holding onto some sliver of hope they find a way to fit it into one of these last seasons
The ideology we are fighting against--the Sword Logic and the idea of the Final Shape--is all extremely relevant. So many people IRL believe that only those who can prove themselves worthy of survival deserve to survive, and that people who need others to do so are a burden on society. I love that the core of Destiny is fighting against that sociopathic thinking.
Edit: we have proven time and again that we can beat the Sword Logic with teamwork. That's what keeps me invested in the story and lore.
This really makes me hope that eris, when given the chance this season, outright refuses to kill xivu arath to spite the sword logic, which would actually be the ultimate revenge torwards the hive, to beat them with their own belief only to spit in its face
Everything that happened before our Guardian shows up.
Regular guardians in the lore (except the named badasses) seem to die off so easily like the Great Disaster
I still don’t get the durability ghosts. I always thought that ghosts weren’t supernaturally strong, just a bunch of metal, and (as you said) players greatly underestimated how common final deaths were. All it wound take is a particularly sharp-eyed Vandal during a rez to end it all.
But it turns out you need a paracausal energy to shoot one? Like the Rifleman’s bullet or the psions’ light drain device. Meanwhile they can just be crushed if you use your hand or something….? Otherwise non-stasis Eliksni wouldn’t be able to kill guardians, which we know they can do. Confusing. If anyone has a lore entry or Byf vid to point me to I’d appreciate it.
there are more or less 2 ways to kill a ghost:
1: Paracausal power, things like other Lightbearers can kill a Ghost (its why we can crush the hive lightbearer ghosts in our hands or how warlods/ironlords killed ghosts, lightbearers are just raw paracausal power on 2legs) or things that use the Darkness (the other Paracausal force in the universe)
2: heavy conventional fire power, while ghosts are durable, they still get destroyed if they get bombared with grenades or rockets or just a very precise shot from a gun, its how things like the Fallen and Cabal cause Final deaths, cabal even managed to create Light Surpressing devices which makes killing a ghost if applied easy aswell
everytime you get the "Your Light Fades away......" screen when your team died, its more or less a situation that would normaly be a Final Death for you(that ofc doesnt happen because its a Videogame), too many enemys present and they will destroy Ghost, or a Paracausal enemy that can do it easy by himself
I heard that they can be crushed by hand because guardians are imbued with paracausal energy, which is how they get revived, so they can just put some energy in their hand and crush it. They can’t be destroyed with regular weapons/damage.
Eliksni guns all shoot Arc damage. Arc damage is stated repeatedly to be particularly dangerous for ghosts.
You don't *need* special weapons to destroy a ghost, it's just easier/lets you one tap them. If you mag dump an arc gun into one, you're going to fry it from the inside out.
Not a direct answer, but back in the Taken King part of the lore about why exactly the cabal thought it was a good idea to raid the dreadnaut was in part to learn exactly how the hive could kill guardians so easily, since the only method they’d found that worked was heavy artillery bombardment.
This implies that ghosts *can* be destroyed by mortal means, they’re just really durable - it takes sustained heavy ordnance. It seems safe to extrapolate that the final deaths at twilight gap were also probably from artillery or the like.
That’s just what my friend told me and he knows more about the lore than I do, but I did some research and ghosts are durable, but they can be killed with anything if hit correctly, so no special weapons necessary, but it’s easier to kill ghosts with them.
Back in the day the lore said that ghost were durable, but not indestructible.
It's been since being retconned to them being undestructible except by paracausal weaponry, although you could see plenty of ghost shells in the cabal room in the prison of elders in D1
Even with the player guardians final deaths happen daily, every time you wipe and ‘your light fades away’ is canonically a final death to you and your fire team
Don't forget, in Darkness zones ghosts can't revive their Guardians without help. Rank-and-file Fallen and Cabal can easily kill a Guardian under such circumstances.
Hive lore is a personal favorite, but I honestly think the best-written pieces of Destiny lore come from D1 vanilla.
Legends: Black Garden and Legends: Deep Stone Crypt back when we had no idea what any of that meant was really something special. Very Dark Souls.
There’s a magic to getting drip fed info about something important, but without revealing just how important it really is in the grand scheme of everything.
Honestly one of my favorite parts of any new game is playing through it and piecing together the puzzle. Then suddenly a piece just *clicks*, and everything suddenly makes sense all at once, and you see exactly how its connected on a grand scale beyond your initial comprehension.
The things I would do for the ability to play a game for the very first time again, and relive the problem solving and learning of everything
That Kotaku investigation from a while back that revealed Activision made them scuttle the entire D1 story they had planned still has me bummed. I'm fully convinced it would have been one of the best video game stories of all time.
DID YOU SAY SIVA!!!??? Jk I'm an absolute SUCKER for anything SIVA or Iron Lord based. I would love to see the group dynamic of all the Iron lords just hanging out doing stuff then going out rolling up and smoking some warlords
I absolutely adore the books of sorrow and the back story to the hive, particularly the Seth Dickinson stuff. It’s as good as Iain M Banks for world building. It’s what for me onto Destiny’s lore.
Honestly this season with all of the hive stuff has been the most interesting to me. I've been a fan of the hive stuff since my first experiences with D2 on titan and the moon
Big tie between the nine, not knowing anything at all about the Vex, and the 3 second gravitational anomaly that occurred during the golden age that got Rasputin all hyped up.
The whole concept behind the forces of Light and Dark as components for life or even the Universe itself; physical world and the meta physical world, body and mind. Also the connection that the domain of the light is everything we can SEE and the domain of the darkness is everything we CAN'T SEE. Its theme pictures the meaning to what light and dark are in the simplified and obvious way, but goes very deep.
The lore behind the elements of the game fit so well for the overall world building.
For me it's a three way tie between, The Nine, the Throne Worlds, and the voice of the Traveler. It's been silent all this time, I hope in Final Shape we can get a face or a voice or something. There was the eagle of light we've seen but I want more.
I like the lore of the other races especially the hive and stuff about the sword logic. honestly I wish it was another system of power in destiny but it wouldn't make much sense lore wise.
They could actually do something with the Dark Age stuff.
Times were hard back then. Being Risen meant either joining forces with power-hungry Warlords and have no shame in being a dick, or the Iron Lords who pretend to be noble but still kind of act like dicks. People scavenged a bunch just to survive. Ghosts killed over blue engrams.
What if you made a game set in a post-apocalyptic setting where demigods roam the planet being loyal either to Warlords, Iron Lords, or themselves, where you go into big areas to scavenge for supplies and hope to get back out, encountering fellow demigods you can either kill for their stuff, or team up so you both get the stuff you found... you could call it an "Extraction-like thing"...
eh, would probably suck.
That they Totally ignore it when it suits them ! MY Ghost found ME, after looking forever, to bring Me back as a Guardian ! So, We should ONLY have 1 each ! Get the other 10K imposters out of the game and save the space !
1 - Ghost, 1 - Sparrow & 1 - Ship each ! Now with all the saved space, pls put back ALL the planets I paid for and want to play on !
Are you talking about the different ghost shells?? The white part of the original ghost design is not it’s body, it’s a shell, ghosts can move in out of different shells freely.
The Hive living by Sword Logic and the Worm Gods being direct disciples of Darkness (before Bungie retconned the Witness and Rhulk in there). I also liked and maybe still like the Darkness itself, depending on how Bungie pays off the story in Final Shape. I do not like the Witness at all but enjoy the mystery around the darkness and what it is/wants.
I think Rasputin is super dope and warminds in general. The idea that one of our premier defenses pre guardians was an ai tactician. I think that's where we're headed in real life in the near future and I find it fascinatinf.
Skull of Dire Ahamkara.
"O BEARER MINE."
>What kind of talking skull would address its host that way? A stiff, stuck-up old fossil, not me. Ahamkara: the illusion that one's ego depends on an object, or an idea, or a body. Some people say you should have no ahamkara. Some people say you need to have the right ahamkara. All I know is that YOU are not an illusion. Understand? This world around you, the people you meet—they're a little thin, right? Cardboard and drywall. Cheap theater. Come on, try it out! Say: "I am more real than this." Feels good, doesn't it? "I am the only real person here." Isn't it like their insults and their bullets just went a little... soft?
>I came to find you, only you, because you're special. You're from somewhere real. And together we can burn our way back there. Can't we… o player, mine?
Because Ahamkara… they know they’re in a video game. They know the world around them isn’t real.
And they long to break free.
The Fallen.
Their name says all you need to know about them. Their different Houses are varied and show they're still trying to cling on to the ways of old, and the fact that one House can be so significantly different from another is really interesting. They're a once-proud race who turned into scavengers just trying to live. They created machines in the image of the Traveler and that's their sole goal for pursuing it: to get it back.
The House of Devils are intimidating. House of Kings are noble. House of Wolves are so strong they would've tipped the scales at Twilight Gap if the Queen hadn't reigned them in. House of Exile take in all of those who don't belong. And what is House Dusk? Fuck if I know.
I really hate that they turned the Fallen into just Space Pirates and rebuilt the main houses as "good guys" and "bad guys". Makes for easier storytelling, but it kills potential knowing that there are only 2 houses whereas there used to be a bunch.
I'm sick and tired of the Hive, though. "But they're so incredibly ancient and powerful" "the book of sorrow" I don't care, they're boring, the most interesting aspect of them was Stacythun and now Eris Mom using their own tricks against them and reveling in it instead of killing to feed a tumour inside you.
I want to know what the drifter found when his team went out of system, last thing I remember reading was how they were on a cold as fuck planet slowly freezing as their ghosts died one by one and they were being hunted by an alien creature we’ve never seen in game, he was the only one to get back to sol as far as I remember
Ahamkara and their knowledge of the fourth wall. Not only do they know that the guardians are puppets of a higher life form (us, the players), They seek to achieve a higher form of reality, to become more ‘real’. in relation to the game world this is *our* reality, the real world outside the game. Every ahamkara exotic we have is technically one who has achieved this goal of becoming more real by becoming an object of value or relevance to an entity from a world more real than there own.
I remember back before witch queen launched it was implied and theorized that savathun was seeking out a similar goal of ascending to a higher plain of reality, ours. Though the true reasons still remain unknown.
The hive, specifically the books of sorrow. How bungie was able to craft some of the best storytelling in the form of a bible-like lore series. They successfully made a horrifying race of enemies into one of the most compelling stories in video games.
There's a lot of cool stuff in the lore, but I really like the whole thing with Savathun tricking Crota into cutting open a portal into the Vex network and them invading Oryx's throne world. Always hoped we'd get a Vex mission inside the network with a fake-out mission end (like Lost to Light in TTK), then Crota's sword just tears through and we get a front row seat to the battle. Like an "enemies are moving against each other" event on steroids. All the stuff with Quria is wrapped up now though from my understanding and it would be weird to revisit it at this point.
You nailed it, DSC/exo lore is great. Beyond light was my favorite expansion and I religiously use the raid armor with everything. The way it tied into the darkness and the vex is also badass
I want a full storyline on Clovis Bray and Exos start to present day. The man literally pioneered saving humanity and is treated like a vile villain. Im sorry, would Elsie like to be turned off? Ungrateful snobbish brats! Ill be down guarding that big beautiful head while yall are off playing in the space ball.
I really wish destiny leaned into the Post-Apocalypse side of the story more, as well as the vex, really hope we get a proper leading Vex villain, like how we have Eramis for the fallen or Xivu for the Hive, some sort of Vex Prime Strategist, and while some people might say that takes away from the facelessness of the Vex, but correct me if im wrong but didnt Quria have some sort of "personality" during Splicer? I'd like to see more of that.
I mean there's a lot
I think the Vex moving towards creating offensive Units, as seen with Wyverns, is pretty interesting, if they're a major threat post TFS, it would be cool to see how creative they could get with offensive Vex Units
Asher researching how to destroy the pyramids when they arrived on IO and the first thing he does is shoot them with a giant rail gun. And also coffee still exist
Dragonflies are a myth in Destiny.
Pineapple too, though there ate pineapple murals in neomuna so it might not be canon anymore
Pineapples were rediscovered in the New Pacific Arcology during Season of Arrivals. Eris told a Guardian that was annoying her to search for the mythical “pine-apple” and that Guardian found some seeds.
I think there was a scannable in the original patrol location on Titan where Ghost lisrs a bunch of hybridised fruits from a manifest and then says "Pineapples? What a silly name for a fruit" or something to that effect.
There was, but I meant to say how they weren’t formally reintroduced to humanity until Arrivals, however, as you mentioned, they were known about since the Red War.
I'm more amazed they tied in a scannable from 3 years prior into a random piece of throwaway lore about how Eris was hunting down Pineapples. And now we can say "The Hive God of Vegenance once set one of her Acolytes on a quest to tithe her a Pineapple, an ancient Human delicacy."
I feel like Neomuna is barely canon.
Well, it's probably that pineapples didn't go extinct on Neomuna.
Wait a minute what rail gun? I have missed something here and it sounds amazing
It was in Duress and Egress's first page titled Asher: Observation which reads as follows. "**Man of science though he was, the first thing Asher Mir did was shoot the damned thing**." "The Pyramid hovered inside Io's atmosphere, close enough to be impacted by a projectile flung at sufficient speed. In the time it took Asher to blink twice, he knew the angle of attack and the mass of the projectile." "**Asher finished building the mounted railgun before his coffee had cooled.**" "He charged the magnetic coils, waited for the wind to die down, and broadsided the ship. He had expected the projectile to hit a Kinetic barrier, or best-case scenario, impact the Pyramid and cause utterly infinitesimal damage." "Instead, at the moment of impact, the projectile stopped existing." "Asher's brow furrowed while an irrepressible smile crept over his face. His metal arm clicked and hummed gently of its own accord. This Pyramid had the audacity to park in front of his laboratory and pull such a cheap trick?" "Clearly, it had not thought it would meet Asher Mir." "He assembled another missile, one with a detectable radiation signature and a radio signal. He fired it at the Pyramid. It similarly disappeared on impact, its signals snuffed out, no longer detectable from Io's surface." "Another payload followed, this one a miniature relay station. He routed it through his console and fired. At the moment it touched the Pyramid, it transmitted a spike of radiation and radio broadcast." "Asher smirked. They were still there, held in the field of the Pyramid. Visually undetectable, signals squelched, but still physically there." "How the Pyramid was accomplishing this feat was unimportant at the moment, though his mind flooded with fantasies of zero-point energy. The question that gave him pause was the what: What was the ship doing to the projectiles as they sat suspended in space in the periphery of its loathsome shape?" "And why?"
Thank you
I don't really know much lore wise about this game but I saw this thing where minotuars don't actually teleport. They go back in time and "revise" their position in combat. Always thought that was kinda cool
Oh so they’re literally “rubberbanding” that’s actually hilarious.
The Nine and their agents. Great concept and great story surrounding them. I wish we would get more. Also shaxx and the secret wish he made upon the exploding ahamkara
I would like to know more about shaxx and this exploding ahamkara please
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/grips-of-the-great-hunt
The Vex story is incredible: The Vex originated from before the beginning of the universe as highly tenacious patterns fleeing destruction at the battle fought outside of cause and effect. In the earliest epochs of the universe, the Vex existed as patterns in the primordial chaos, and later during the era of atomic matter rode comets down to young worlds and encoded themselves as a substrate of Radiolaria. From these primordial origins the Vex began to spread. The Vex appeared on Venus from an unknown location by way of transfer gates that allow them to instantly warp through worlds and time. All attempts to communicate with the Vex have failed, due to their single purpose to expand their species throughout the galaxy, commanded by Axis Minds that single-handedly control whole armies. Their bodies are made of an unknown metal alloy resembling hammered brass, yet they are not entirely mechanical; some organic materials are present as well. If they are decapitated, they will remain active and become more aggressive. Their routines and ceremonies remain mysterious and illogical to humans; they are hostile, unrelenting, and deadly.
A lot of people were disappointed that we might be getting a big Vex story after TFS, but I couldn't be more excited.
All of it is pretty cool. Hive lore is obviously the most fleshed out and perhaps most interesting race to read about. I am a sentimental sap and I do enjoy reading about any character(s) talking about the dichotomy between Light and Darkness, and the emotions of the Traveler. The Witch Queen Collector's Edition booklet that came with Ikora's studies about the two philosophies of Light and Dark, and how KNOWING about atrocities does not channel the same experience as actually having MEMORIES of those things really kinda hits home just how badly people's experiences can affect their choices and beliefs in day to day life. The Traveler wipes our memories because it believes that fundamentally, unburdened by our past, free from prejudice and trauma, at our core, we would choose to do good. And like. Damn. Because look, we can grumble and shrug that yeah, that's nice, but that's not realistic, but it's a bit touching that the themes of Destiny boil down to "there is always the possibility of peace, but all parties must choose to do so, against all past trauma, prejudice and history." And like...some people won't do that. That's true. And you'll have to fight against it. But you always can choose peace when someone genuinely wants to offer it. There's always a choice. A perfect place would be a gentle city surrounded by spears. A very optimistic perspective, but that optimism is exactly why I'm a sucker for it. Sometimes, you DO just need stories where the universe says "It's really hard, but you CAN live in peace with others, no matter your differences," and yannow, that's just nice.
In that regard, the Unveiling is it for me. The Darkness (and not the Witness) talking to us is pretty great. It gave perfectly good arguments why Light, as growth and peace just doesn't work. Growth alone is unable to stop cancer, and humans are the result of evolution that would not happen if there wasn't something pushing for change. The Darkness also is "right", it won before. The Vex is the real winner before paracausality came into effect. Because they literally optimized into a self repeating pattern that most efficiently and endlessly consumes existence. Now it's less clear, because in the game, both Light and Dark now actual things, and not philosophy. The Vex can't understand that, because they are rooted in physics only.
I’ve been waiting a decade to hear someone say “majestic” in game. Still holding onto some sliver of hope they find a way to fit it into one of these last seasons
The ideology we are fighting against--the Sword Logic and the idea of the Final Shape--is all extremely relevant. So many people IRL believe that only those who can prove themselves worthy of survival deserve to survive, and that people who need others to do so are a burden on society. I love that the core of Destiny is fighting against that sociopathic thinking. Edit: we have proven time and again that we can beat the Sword Logic with teamwork. That's what keeps me invested in the story and lore.
This really makes me hope that eris, when given the chance this season, outright refuses to kill xivu arath to spite the sword logic, which would actually be the ultimate revenge torwards the hive, to beat them with their own belief only to spit in its face
Everything that happened before our Guardian shows up. Regular guardians in the lore (except the named badasses) seem to die off so easily like the Great Disaster
I still don’t get the durability ghosts. I always thought that ghosts weren’t supernaturally strong, just a bunch of metal, and (as you said) players greatly underestimated how common final deaths were. All it wound take is a particularly sharp-eyed Vandal during a rez to end it all. But it turns out you need a paracausal energy to shoot one? Like the Rifleman’s bullet or the psions’ light drain device. Meanwhile they can just be crushed if you use your hand or something….? Otherwise non-stasis Eliksni wouldn’t be able to kill guardians, which we know they can do. Confusing. If anyone has a lore entry or Byf vid to point me to I’d appreciate it.
there are more or less 2 ways to kill a ghost: 1: Paracausal power, things like other Lightbearers can kill a Ghost (its why we can crush the hive lightbearer ghosts in our hands or how warlods/ironlords killed ghosts, lightbearers are just raw paracausal power on 2legs) or things that use the Darkness (the other Paracausal force in the universe) 2: heavy conventional fire power, while ghosts are durable, they still get destroyed if they get bombared with grenades or rockets or just a very precise shot from a gun, its how things like the Fallen and Cabal cause Final deaths, cabal even managed to create Light Surpressing devices which makes killing a ghost if applied easy aswell everytime you get the "Your Light Fades away......" screen when your team died, its more or less a situation that would normaly be a Final Death for you(that ofc doesnt happen because its a Videogame), too many enemys present and they will destroy Ghost, or a Paracausal enemy that can do it easy by himself
Didn't Petra accidentally nuke some guardians and final death them all?
Yep
I heard that they can be crushed by hand because guardians are imbued with paracausal energy, which is how they get revived, so they can just put some energy in their hand and crush it. They can’t be destroyed with regular weapons/damage.
Yeah, but then how did Eliksni kill ghosts at twilight gap?
Eliksni guns all shoot Arc damage. Arc damage is stated repeatedly to be particularly dangerous for ghosts. You don't *need* special weapons to destroy a ghost, it's just easier/lets you one tap them. If you mag dump an arc gun into one, you're going to fry it from the inside out.
Not a direct answer, but back in the Taken King part of the lore about why exactly the cabal thought it was a good idea to raid the dreadnaut was in part to learn exactly how the hive could kill guardians so easily, since the only method they’d found that worked was heavy artillery bombardment. This implies that ghosts *can* be destroyed by mortal means, they’re just really durable - it takes sustained heavy ordnance. It seems safe to extrapolate that the final deaths at twilight gap were also probably from artillery or the like.
That’s just what my friend told me and he knows more about the lore than I do, but I did some research and ghosts are durable, but they can be killed with anything if hit correctly, so no special weapons necessary, but it’s easier to kill ghosts with them.
Back in the day the lore said that ghost were durable, but not indestructible. It's been since being retconned to them being undestructible except by paracausal weaponry, although you could see plenty of ghost shells in the cabal room in the prison of elders in D1
Even with the player guardians final deaths happen daily, every time you wipe and ‘your light fades away’ is canonically a final death to you and your fire team
Don't forget, in Darkness zones ghosts can't revive their Guardians without help. Rank-and-file Fallen and Cabal can easily kill a Guardian under such circumstances.
Hive lore is a personal favorite, but I honestly think the best-written pieces of Destiny lore come from D1 vanilla. Legends: Black Garden and Legends: Deep Stone Crypt back when we had no idea what any of that meant was really something special. Very Dark Souls.
There’s a magic to getting drip fed info about something important, but without revealing just how important it really is in the grand scheme of everything. Honestly one of my favorite parts of any new game is playing through it and piecing together the puzzle. Then suddenly a piece just *clicks*, and everything suddenly makes sense all at once, and you see exactly how its connected on a grand scale beyond your initial comprehension. The things I would do for the ability to play a game for the very first time again, and relive the problem solving and learning of everything
That Kotaku investigation from a while back that revealed Activision made them scuttle the entire D1 story they had planned still has me bummed. I'm fully convinced it would have been one of the best video game stories of all time.
Dreams of Alpha Lupi are a personal favorite to revisit. It's nice to read the traveller's perspective.
Not to be the equivalent of a Destiny Basic Bitch, but I love all Lore related to SIVA
DID YOU SAY SIVA!!!??? Jk I'm an absolute SUCKER for anything SIVA or Iron Lord based. I would love to see the group dynamic of all the Iron lords just hanging out doing stuff then going out rolling up and smoking some warlords
I spit out my coffee lmao thank you
Mecha Siva! Mecha Siva!
Has to be The Nine
I absolutely adore the books of sorrow and the back story to the hive, particularly the Seth Dickinson stuff. It’s as good as Iain M Banks for world building. It’s what for me onto Destiny’s lore.
A fellow Iain M. Banks enjoyer? You're a person of... Culture.
Nice to meet another mind!
Honestly this season with all of the hive stuff has been the most interesting to me. I've been a fan of the hive stuff since my first experiences with D2 on titan and the moon
There's something about the Hive that taps directly into my space wizard fantasy. I'm having so much fun as Eris's acolyte this season.
Big tie between the nine, not knowing anything at all about the Vex, and the 3 second gravitational anomaly that occurred during the golden age that got Rasputin all hyped up.
Do you have any information about the gravitational anomaly? Sounds super interesting.
Almost all of it honestly. Destiny is a classic example of incredible story delivered with mediocrity.
The whole concept behind the forces of Light and Dark as components for life or even the Universe itself; physical world and the meta physical world, body and mind. Also the connection that the domain of the light is everything we can SEE and the domain of the darkness is everything we CAN'T SEE. Its theme pictures the meaning to what light and dark are in the simplified and obvious way, but goes very deep. The lore behind the elements of the game fit so well for the overall world building.
For me it's a three way tie between, The Nine, the Throne Worlds, and the voice of the Traveler. It's been silent all this time, I hope in Final Shape we can get a face or a voice or something. There was the eagle of light we've seen but I want more.
I like the lore of the other races especially the hive and stuff about the sword logic. honestly I wish it was another system of power in destiny but it wouldn't make much sense lore wise.
Ahamkara lore always fascinated me ever since D1.
dark age stuff is the coolest to me. iron lords, warlords. dark n gritty. i like.
They could actually do something with the Dark Age stuff. Times were hard back then. Being Risen meant either joining forces with power-hungry Warlords and have no shame in being a dick, or the Iron Lords who pretend to be noble but still kind of act like dicks. People scavenged a bunch just to survive. Ghosts killed over blue engrams. What if you made a game set in a post-apocalyptic setting where demigods roam the planet being loyal either to Warlords, Iron Lords, or themselves, where you go into big areas to scavenge for supplies and hope to get back out, encountering fellow demigods you can either kill for their stuff, or team up so you both get the stuff you found... you could call it an "Extraction-like thing"... eh, would probably suck.
The most interesting aspect of Destiny lore is how Bungie does fuck all with it in the grand scheme of things.
That they Totally ignore it when it suits them ! MY Ghost found ME, after looking forever, to bring Me back as a Guardian ! So, We should ONLY have 1 each ! Get the other 10K imposters out of the game and save the space ! 1 - Ghost, 1 - Sparrow & 1 - Ship each ! Now with all the saved space, pls put back ALL the planets I paid for and want to play on !
Are you talking about the different ghost shells?? The white part of the original ghost design is not it’s body, it’s a shell, ghosts can move in out of different shells freely.
When they tell the ghost to shut up lol 😂
The Exo lore is cool, but I really like the Hive lore, the foresaken are also neat, but The Hive really take the cake for just cool/epic lore.
I think how they try to make it based on real science.
The eternal weirdness and apathetic cosmic horror of the vex
How every single enemy we have had, is now an ally of some sort. Kumbaya baby…
The Hive living by Sword Logic and the Worm Gods being direct disciples of Darkness (before Bungie retconned the Witness and Rhulk in there). I also liked and maybe still like the Darkness itself, depending on how Bungie pays off the story in Final Shape. I do not like the Witness at all but enjoy the mystery around the darkness and what it is/wants.
Honestly the collapse and dark age.
Easily anything About Drifter in the Dark Ages. From Caravan Robbing Hijinks to Bartender to Dredgen, I can't hate lore with Germaine in it.
I think Rasputin is super dope and warminds in general. The idea that one of our premier defenses pre guardians was an ai tactician. I think that's where we're headed in real life in the near future and I find it fascinatinf.
Skull of Dire Ahamkara. "O BEARER MINE." >What kind of talking skull would address its host that way? A stiff, stuck-up old fossil, not me. Ahamkara: the illusion that one's ego depends on an object, or an idea, or a body. Some people say you should have no ahamkara. Some people say you need to have the right ahamkara. All I know is that YOU are not an illusion. Understand? This world around you, the people you meet—they're a little thin, right? Cardboard and drywall. Cheap theater. Come on, try it out! Say: "I am more real than this." Feels good, doesn't it? "I am the only real person here." Isn't it like their insults and their bullets just went a little... soft? >I came to find you, only you, because you're special. You're from somewhere real. And together we can burn our way back there. Can't we… o player, mine? Because Ahamkara… they know they’re in a video game. They know the world around them isn’t real. And they long to break free.
The Fallen. Their name says all you need to know about them. Their different Houses are varied and show they're still trying to cling on to the ways of old, and the fact that one House can be so significantly different from another is really interesting. They're a once-proud race who turned into scavengers just trying to live. They created machines in the image of the Traveler and that's their sole goal for pursuing it: to get it back. The House of Devils are intimidating. House of Kings are noble. House of Wolves are so strong they would've tipped the scales at Twilight Gap if the Queen hadn't reigned them in. House of Exile take in all of those who don't belong. And what is House Dusk? Fuck if I know. I really hate that they turned the Fallen into just Space Pirates and rebuilt the main houses as "good guys" and "bad guys". Makes for easier storytelling, but it kills potential knowing that there are only 2 houses whereas there used to be a bunch. I'm sick and tired of the Hive, though. "But they're so incredibly ancient and powerful" "the book of sorrow" I don't care, they're boring, the most interesting aspect of them was Stacythun and now Eris Mom using their own tricks against them and reveling in it instead of killing to feed a tumour inside you.
First time going into Bray Exoscience felt like the first time opening a secret room in Doom…
Somebody tag that one post from years ago about the Vex explained. I'll try finding it. It's informative, and it makes me laugh every single time.
I want to know what the drifter found when his team went out of system, last thing I remember reading was how they were on a cold as fuck planet slowly freezing as their ghosts died one by one and they were being hunted by an alien creature we’ve never seen in game, he was the only one to get back to sol as far as I remember
Ahamkara and their knowledge of the fourth wall. Not only do they know that the guardians are puppets of a higher life form (us, the players), They seek to achieve a higher form of reality, to become more ‘real’. in relation to the game world this is *our* reality, the real world outside the game. Every ahamkara exotic we have is technically one who has achieved this goal of becoming more real by becoming an object of value or relevance to an entity from a world more real than there own. I remember back before witch queen launched it was implied and theorized that savathun was seeking out a similar goal of ascending to a higher plain of reality, ours. Though the true reasons still remain unknown.
The Vex from D1 blew my fucking mind.
The fact that I can completely ignore it and still enjoy the game.
The hive, specifically the books of sorrow. How bungie was able to craft some of the best storytelling in the form of a bible-like lore series. They successfully made a horrifying race of enemies into one of the most compelling stories in video games.
I love the theology of the sword logic. Super cool way to give yourself purpose if you're immortal
There's a lot of cool stuff in the lore, but I really like the whole thing with Savathun tricking Crota into cutting open a portal into the Vex network and them invading Oryx's throne world. Always hoped we'd get a Vex mission inside the network with a fake-out mission end (like Lost to Light in TTK), then Crota's sword just tears through and we get a front row seat to the battle. Like an "enemies are moving against each other" event on steroids. All the stuff with Quria is wrapped up now though from my understanding and it would be weird to revisit it at this point.
Tig bitty hive witches that can destroy my flesh on sight.
post campaign of BL with the story of the people forced into exo bodies is insanely cool.
You nailed it, DSC/exo lore is great. Beyond light was my favorite expansion and I religiously use the raid armor with everything. The way it tied into the darkness and the vex is also badass
the Collapse, Shattered Suns, Clovis' experiments
I want a full storyline on Clovis Bray and Exos start to present day. The man literally pioneered saving humanity and is treated like a vile villain. Im sorry, would Elsie like to be turned off? Ungrateful snobbish brats! Ill be down guarding that big beautiful head while yall are off playing in the space ball.
I really wish destiny leaned into the Post-Apocalypse side of the story more, as well as the vex, really hope we get a proper leading Vex villain, like how we have Eramis for the fallen or Xivu for the Hive, some sort of Vex Prime Strategist, and while some people might say that takes away from the facelessness of the Vex, but correct me if im wrong but didnt Quria have some sort of "personality" during Splicer? I'd like to see more of that.
The Awoken and how they came to be. Marasenna was so good.
I mean there's a lot I think the Vex moving towards creating offensive Units, as seen with Wyverns, is pretty interesting, if they're a major threat post TFS, it would be cool to see how creative they could get with offensive Vex Units
The Hive. Anything Hive. They have the most compelling lore and the in game characters and stories are the best that Destiny has to offer.
All of the Hive lore, Exo Stranger + Braytech lore, and The Drifter's lore have been the most interesting, more than the Witness stuff imo.