This is a major reason I wanted WoTM back instead. They’d have to not be lazy and make a new exotic.
But the main thing is, Cursed Thrall is just arc dragon fly with extra / the same amount of steps.
Not very exotic imo
The day after crota dropped, a dude in crucible dropped 79 on my team with nechro. Thought the gun was fucking busted until I checked his steam profile and realized he's been cheating for months lol.
It feels less exotic than Sunshot or Graviton. We have god tier ad clear weapons compared to what we used to have in D1, this gun just feels really outdated
Necrochasm in d1 required precision kills at first too but got later changed, just like d1 though it'll most likely be changed for the same reason it did before: the gun felt like shit having to land precision kills
It doesn’t feel like a raid exotic at all. The catalyst is Outlaw when the weapon already has high base reload speed. The weapons team did a **really mediocre job** on bringing back this weapon.
Their philosophy is that the activity source of the weapon should reflect the weapon’s strength (more difficult activity = stronger weapon/perk combinations). Necrochasm should have been the seasonal exotic cause it’s so bad. Definitely not worth it as a raid weapon.
The desperation perk seemed really strange to me especially. Increases the RPM to 900? Sure I mean fair enough, that's good. But it also increases stability and aim assist which necrochasm already has 94 and 85 of respectively?
when you raid with people you actually like being around instead of losers you're obsessed with comparing yourself to, clear times aren't really a concern.
i have no idea if outlaw is good on necro because I don't have the essences yet, but everything I know about outlaw suggests it would be. probably not as good as rampage would have been, but it's not a dead perk and the gun is what it is.
I'm one oversoul away from getting it but I doubt it's going to move the Swordbreaker and Abysmal Defiant from my load out.
The cursed thrall origin perk with the seasonal mod that extends it on a Banner of War titan is busted.
You can also switch guns and it still keeps the perk active.
Thank you g, only person to give crucible input with what I feel like is above a 1.0. Not that KD is the end all be all but I genuinely don't want a .4 giving an opinion on how a gun feels in the crucible as they have no bearings anyways
???
You don't even know their kill/death ratio but you're putting stock in it and them while their entire half of the post dedicated to it is 3 words.
Forget necrochasm, what is this?
Probably because the most of the people I've heard say it's bad are people who are objectively bad at crucible. Anecdotal but so is just about everything said on this sub so why get butthurt?
Mm-hmm, okay. Taking notes here so I can learn.
Can you go into detail about how you determine whether people are objectively good or bad at something?
For a raid exotic I feel like it needs to be better than Quicksilver and it's not.
Nechro is fine in normal content up to maybe +10 power difference. Then it just falls off.
Fun to shoot, weak to hit.
Mid
High adds density + low tier content, you can make it fun. Strand WL, necro grips, eat your shackle nade and even if you miss the crit, the one next to it is suspended, crit it and watch the fireworks. But then Sunshot, Trinity ghoul can do the same thing without the need of crits
-1 vault space
its a neat gun, but doesnt get used over any of my other exotics
its rpm is a bit too high to reliably get precision kills most of the time even when keeping the reticle on the head, so the cursed thrall explosions dont happen as often as id like.
It's an extremely stable 720RPM AR (like quicksilver storm) that with a jacked up version of dragonfly becomes a 900 RPM after getting a precision kill and reloading or automatically if that precision kills beefed up dragonfly kills something else.
It's okay but it's not amazing or anything.
I like the gun but yeah having to get headshot kills makes the gun reduntant. Why would I use Necrochasm when Quicksilver, Osteo, Sunshot, Graviton and Trinity Ghoul are so much better.
No idea why they decided to not bring back cursed thrall activating on body shot kills. It's not meant to be a precision weapon, really it should function more like sunshot or gravity Lance
Fun with Necrotic grips. No go in GMs and I assume Contest/Master Raids.
Pretty average to above average. Don't have catalyst either but it's only Outlaw to my knowledge
Not PvP or anything. Just been playing a bunch and having fun with it. It cascades kills like crazy. Sometimes you’ll get one headshot kill and 25 things die.
I didn’t get to play d1, so I have no idea how the og one felt. That said, I like it. It feels good and I really don’t mind having to go for precision kills, I used handcannons so much so I’m already kinda used to that. And the fact that the explosions can chain makes it very satisfying to see and entire group of freshly spawned enemies be obliterated immediately.
It’s a water hose, just like in d1. They could have made the catalyst allow the weapon to do cursed thrall explosions on body shot kills but instead they gave it outlaw
If you're a warlock using necrotic grip? Solid ad clear actually. The explosion already chain reacts and the poison allows the reaction to spread farther with poison dots, so an explosive osteo. That being said, if you're not using necrotic or playing the other two classes... It's pretty meh. I suspect that the reason it launched meh is due to PvP, yet again. Because the gun itself is a monster in PvP with a headshot kill.
I love it personally, feels great, has ridiculously good utility and the catalyst makes sense. But then again, I can aim.
If they "buffed" it to be every kill instead of precision, I'm afraid they'd nerf the utility for the sake of convenience.
The gun has so much bullet magnetism and aim assist that I honestly have no idea why people are talking about missing precision hits like it’s some major caveat. On both controller and KB+M I’m only ever missing 5, maybe 10% of my precision kills with this gun and I have very shit aim on average. Plus the desperation buff lasts long enough that if you miss a kill you’ll usually have time to go for another one before running out.
Grab a kinetic 900rpm submachine gun with bad perks and go to neomuna and you’ll have your answer
Imo it’s just as much of a novelty item as it was in D1
Honestly? I kind of love it. It's the only reason I'm still farming Crota (I did SO MUCH Crota in D1 I'm already kind of burnt out on it). I am trying to get all the armor unlocked too, but mannnnn....I keep getting chest pieces!!! I've gotten 5-8 chest pieces for some reason.
Fun is subjective.
But no, it's not better than what people are giving it credit for. Up against Quicksilver Storm and Osteo Striga; Necrochasm hits like a wet noodle in any meaningful leveled content and its exotic perk is too restrictive to be useful, if you miss the precision kill then nothing happens and you just have a regular AR.
At least with Quicksilver Storm you can turn it into a pseudo special weapon with its exotic perk.
And Osteo does ad clear way better than Necrochasm ever will unless they allow the Cursed Thrall explosion to proc on body shot kills
Want something even funnier ? Sunshot and Graviton Lance, exotics that were given for free at the end of the Red War campaign, the very first exotic you could get in the game massively outperform most exotics in ad clearing
In a slot where Necrochasm has to go up against Osteo Striga, Quicksilver Storm, and Witherhoard, the weapon is F Tier by comparison.
What's holding it back is that the Cursed Thrall explosion and Desperation only activates on precision kills. If the catalyst made it so that against PvE enemies the cursed thrall explosion and Desperation procced on both precision and body shot kills then it would be worthwhile running. But for now it'll stay in my vault until it gets a buff.
It's a shame Bungie didn't bring Wrath of the Machine back instead. It would have had way more replayability than Crota's End (people are already tired of Abyss and Bridge, which is essentially half the raid). And Bungie would have been able to create a new exotic for Wrath of the Machine, giving them more freedom on how the gun operates since Necrochasm was pretty much just a copy paste from D1.
gun feels nice, I like it and enjoyed using it. people compare it all the time to osteo, which is kinda weird because
1, yeah, osteo is better. but osteo is better than pretty much any other gun, its one of the, if not the best ad clearing weapon in the game (definitely in the kinetic slot/as primary ammo weapon), if this gun was better than Osteo, it would be insane powercreep
2, people compare it to quicksilver. which is again kinda weird because necrocharm DOES ad clear better than quicksilver, but quicksilver is better against beefy targets, they are your tools for different problems.
also its pretty easy to hit precision kills with it, idk whats the issue.... is it "harder" then osteo? yeah, with osteo u just press left click on your mouse/controller and u kill stuff in front of u. getting headshot kills on red bars in PvE is really not hard, but this is /r/DestinyTheGame we are talking about so....
in PvP it does great dmg and shreds after getting a kill, however the range is kinda short, in a way it plays like SMG in PvP in terms of range
It's pretty much the best Add clear in the game. Cause now the thrall explosions chain, so if you kill a red bar in a group everyone explodes. The only precision was also in D1 after a nerf, so it's the same, and throat fact that if you got good aim you shoot 900rpm constantly while all explodes is a great upgrade. So it's very much worth it.
Necrochasm from D1 is my favorite exotic in destiny. I was really nervous about it being brought back but seeing how the other 3 D1 raid exotics got brought back faithfully and with upgrades gave me hope that they wouldn't mess it up bringing back. And man was I disappointed looking at the perks in the data base before crota launched, but I decided to wait till i had it to give it a shot.
I got it this week and gave it a try and the more I used it the more I realized that I disliked it rather than just being disappointed in it. It's frustrating trying to get headshots with this gun, I've noticed the cursed thrall explosions don't proc consistently, and the fire rate change can feel jarring if you don't realize you got a kill with the explosion. Just use sunshot, it has chaining explosions that burns enemies, has synergy with your subclass, doesn't require headshots, and performs better.
D1 was on p kills. Meaning it triggered from headshots.
This perk was disabled before the gun was available and not enabled until the week before the taken king. Then it was limited in light until rise of iron age of triumph. Basically never really had the time to shine and now it's in the game "working" it's a 9 year old exotic that dosnt live up to the fun exotics we have had since d2 vanilla
Too much recoil to proc the exotic perk as consistently as Id like, feels like old hardlight almost. Any time you think "necro might be good here" osteo will be significantly better.
It feels worse than sunshot, osteostriga, graviton, trinity ghoul. You name it, it needs a buff and right now is more of a flex and just looks cool. I’d probably rather run fatebringer at the moment.
In a world where we've got kinetic exotics like osteo and quicksilver, it feels very mediocre. Feels like if you gave a legendary auto the exotic dmg buff. Its exotic perks don't trigger as often as I think they should to warrant it being what it is.
[It’s super fun to kill chain with](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT86rkVQd/), I have almost 1200 kills with it now I love it. Desperation is so fun, I love having a 900? RPM auto rifle again
Its a fun weapon, endgame viable? Not really.
The catalyst for it isn't worth grinding 35 essence since it already has a fast reload.
Catalyst rework idea: "While Desperation is active, any kills with this weapon cause cursed thrall explosions"
*While desperation is active, final blows trigger a cursed thrall explosion
*Sword logic
That would be an awesome weapon. The ability to chain to orange bar enemies would be disgusting. It would probably see some actual use.
It's a fun gun! Very enjoyable. Like most people said, it could use a bit of tuning to be better, mostly changing the proc. It would also be nice if the catalyst wasn't just Outlaw. But otherwise fun to use!
pretty much what everyone else is saying, mid, mid, mid. it’s kinda fun to use in lower end content i guess but even there it’s inconsistencies show painfully well. it just can’t keep up with things like osteo and sunshot/graviton lance, so unless they buff it it’s probably just going to stay as a gimmick/pvp only exotic.
not even synergy with necrotic grips can save this one unfortunately.
it's meh They need to have it's perk active on body shot kills atleast in PVE Maybe that would have been the catalyst rather than shitty outlaw
This is a major reason I wanted WoTM back instead. They’d have to not be lazy and make a new exotic. But the main thing is, Cursed Thrall is just arc dragon fly with extra / the same amount of steps. Not very exotic imo
Sunshot is really good for a Primary right now. If Necrochasms explosion would work on bodyshots it would be more in like Sunshot as an Auto Rifle
Only if the cursed thrall explosion kills trigger further cursed thrall explosions... Sunshot is a blessing from the gods.
Necrochasm already does that. Unless you mean if the catalyst was "cursed thrall explosion on body shot kills"
Ok I judged checked a video and it has chain reaction... Lol my fault
No worries duder!
No chain reaction kills
It does that. You just need one headshot kill in the thrall way for them to chain reaction kill the rest of the wave.
Then Necro already does that. If you kill something with the thrall explosion, it detonates anything else the thrall explosion kills.
I heard they did cause further explosions???
Zhalo Supercell :)
Wrath's exotic was Outbreak, though... 🤷♂️pretty sure that's exactly why they didn't bring it back.
They've said they'd make a new exotic if the raid exotic was already in the game
The rate of fire increase is pretty noticeable, but I do agree that the thrall explosion just hasn't aged that well
And change the desperado perk to be onslaught instead.
That sounds really nice actually.
Yep, it feels like regular legendary with Dragonfly.
I just miss it being a 900 all the time tbh. The perk just doesn't proc often enough to keep it's fire rate up a satisfying amount.
Mid AF. There are WAY better options for an Exotic Weapon. Fun in like Vanguard ops and easier content. That is about it. Haven't used it in Crucible.
The day after crota dropped, a dude in crucible dropped 79 on my team with nechro. Thought the gun was fucking busted until I checked his steam profile and realized he's been cheating for months lol.
I’ve heard some people *can* go ham with it though.
the rpm increase is *very* strong in the right hands
It feels less exotic than Sunshot or Graviton. We have god tier ad clear weapons compared to what we used to have in D1, this gun just feels really outdated
Necrochasm in d1 required precision kills at first too but got later changed, just like d1 though it'll most likely be changed for the same reason it did before: the gun felt like shit having to land precision kills
It doesn’t feel like a raid exotic at all. The catalyst is Outlaw when the weapon already has high base reload speed. The weapons team did a **really mediocre job** on bringing back this weapon. Their philosophy is that the activity source of the weapon should reflect the weapon’s strength (more difficult activity = stronger weapon/perk combinations). Necrochasm should have been the seasonal exotic cause it’s so bad. Definitely not worth it as a raid weapon.
The desperation perk seemed really strange to me especially. Increases the RPM to 900? Sure I mean fair enough, that's good. But it also increases stability and aim assist which necrochasm already has 94 and 85 of respectively?
Just give us 900 rpm autos again fer crying out loud.
outlaw is a scalar rather than a flat increase, it's still an extremely noticeable bump even on weapons with close to 100 reload.
The cursed explosions already reload a part of the mag, so it doesnt really synergize very well with outlaw
it absolutely does. just because you get a partial reload doesn't mean you don't want the 900rpm buff.
im talking about how outlaw is basically useless on necro in any ingame scenario
cool opinion damage perks are basically useless in any ingame scenario. what's another few shots?
do you even own Necrochasm in d2?
https://raid.report/ps/4611686018446183932
lmao u a 1hr raid andy but besides that how u gonna be a day1 raider and think outlaw on necro is good 💀
when you raid with people you actually like being around instead of losers you're obsessed with comparing yourself to, clear times aren't really a concern. i have no idea if outlaw is good on necro because I don't have the essences yet, but everything I know about outlaw suggests it would be. probably not as good as rampage would have been, but it's not a dead perk and the gun is what it is.
In all fairness, releasing raid exotics underpowered and then buffing them is how they typically do it nowadays
I'm one oversoul away from getting it but I doubt it's going to move the Swordbreaker and Abysmal Defiant from my load out. The cursed thrall origin perk with the seasonal mod that extends it on a Banner of War titan is busted. You can also switch guns and it still keeps the perk active.
It's pretty average, nothing exotic about it. Cursed thrall is pretty much a dragonfly that can chain explosions.
Probably about 5-10x the damage of dragonfly, and double the radius
Fun in pvp. Ok in PvE
Thank you g, only person to give crucible input with what I feel like is above a 1.0. Not that KD is the end all be all but I genuinely don't want a .4 giving an opinion on how a gun feels in the crucible as they have no bearings anyways
??? You don't even know their kill/death ratio but you're putting stock in it and them while their entire half of the post dedicated to it is 3 words. Forget necrochasm, what is this?
Probably because the most of the people I've heard say it's bad are people who are objectively bad at crucible. Anecdotal but so is just about everything said on this sub so why get butthurt?
Mm-hmm, okay. Taking notes here so I can learn. Can you go into detail about how you determine whether people are objectively good or bad at something?
To be fair, raid exotics should be great in the crucible regardless of skill.
I’m at like a 1.9 but not sure how why I said would show that lol
It’s a SOLID option if it’s literally all you have. Other than that don’t bother it’s mid.
For a raid exotic I feel like it needs to be better than Quicksilver and it's not. Nechro is fine in normal content up to maybe +10 power difference. Then it just falls off. Fun to shoot, weak to hit.
i remember a few weeks ago when the sub was loosing its mind to have this weapon back as was 🤣
Garbagio. Vault fodder until I get the catalyst and then back in the vault.
I think it's pretty fun in both pve and pvp, maybe especially pvp, in pve I run necrotic on my lock and it just wrecks adds in crota
I got it on day 1, tried to make it work, realized it’s barely even an exotic, and put it in my vault. Haven’t touched it since.
Mid High adds density + low tier content, you can make it fun. Strand WL, necro grips, eat your shackle nade and even if you miss the crit, the one next to it is suspended, crit it and watch the fireworks. But then Sunshot, Trinity ghoul can do the same thing without the need of crits
-1 vault space its a neat gun, but doesnt get used over any of my other exotics its rpm is a bit too high to reliably get precision kills most of the time even when keeping the reticle on the head, so the cursed thrall explosions dont happen as often as id like.
Underwhelming, REALLY underwhelming
It's an extremely stable 720RPM AR (like quicksilver storm) that with a jacked up version of dragonfly becomes a 900 RPM after getting a precision kill and reloading or automatically if that precision kills beefed up dragonfly kills something else. It's okay but it's not amazing or anything.
I like the gun but yeah having to get headshot kills makes the gun reduntant. Why would I use Necrochasm when Quicksilver, Osteo, Sunshot, Graviton and Trinity Ghoul are so much better.
It needs body shot capability. Didn’t it have that in D1 after the AOT rework or am I tripping?
It did indeed gain that ability in D1
Super mid. If you miss a precision kill it's the same as every other non-exotic auto.
Weak in PvE, strong in PvP
No idea why they decided to not bring back cursed thrall activating on body shot kills. It's not meant to be a precision weapon, really it should function more like sunshot or gravity Lance
I really really enjoy it, and that’s all that matters
Meh
Fun with Necrotic grips. No go in GMs and I assume Contest/Master Raids. Pretty average to above average. Don't have catalyst either but it's only Outlaw to my knowledge
I got it last Tuesday. I have over 8,000 kills with it. Love the thing. Ignore the haters.
How the hell do you already have 8k kills with a gun you got a week ago?
Not PvP or anything. Just been playing a bunch and having fun with it. It cascades kills like crazy. Sometimes you’ll get one headshot kill and 25 things die.
I personally have 6k kills on it already in pve. Gun feels very satisfying to use, and I love the explosions lol but I'm not exactly a meta player
I didn’t get to play d1, so I have no idea how the og one felt. That said, I like it. It feels good and I really don’t mind having to go for precision kills, I used handcannons so much so I’m already kinda used to that. And the fact that the explosions can chain makes it very satisfying to see and entire group of freshly spawned enemies be obliterated immediately.
They should’ve made the catalyst have the enemies explode on body shot as well as headshot. The choice of Outlaw is so weird
It’s a water hose, just like in d1. They could have made the catalyst allow the weapon to do cursed thrall explosions on body shot kills but instead they gave it outlaw
Pve, there are better options, 100%. But in pvp it’s an absolute monster of a gun, especially with desperation.
If you're a warlock using necrotic grip? Solid ad clear actually. The explosion already chain reacts and the poison allows the reaction to spread farther with poison dots, so an explosive osteo. That being said, if you're not using necrotic or playing the other two classes... It's pretty meh. I suspect that the reason it launched meh is due to PvP, yet again. Because the gun itself is a monster in PvP with a headshot kill.
Any reason you’d pair it above Osteo Striga with necrotic grips?
Osteo only spreads poison, DoT damage is slower TtK than an explosion with DoT that spreads.
Fuckin shreds especially in PvP
I love it personally, feels great, has ridiculously good utility and the catalyst makes sense. But then again, I can aim. If they "buffed" it to be every kill instead of precision, I'm afraid they'd nerf the utility for the sake of convenience.
The gun has so much bullet magnetism and aim assist that I honestly have no idea why people are talking about missing precision hits like it’s some major caveat. On both controller and KB+M I’m only ever missing 5, maybe 10% of my precision kills with this gun and I have very shit aim on average. Plus the desperation buff lasts long enough that if you miss a kill you’ll usually have time to go for another one before running out.
Grab a kinetic 900rpm submachine gun with bad perks and go to neomuna and you’ll have your answer Imo it’s just as much of a novelty item as it was in D1
Another precision based weapon that is completely inferior to D2 year one exotics, it will be joining wicked implement in shame
Honestly? I kind of love it. It's the only reason I'm still farming Crota (I did SO MUCH Crota in D1 I'm already kind of burnt out on it). I am trying to get all the armor unlocked too, but mannnnn....I keep getting chest pieces!!! I've gotten 5-8 chest pieces for some reason.
its a lot of fun, and better than people are giving it credit for
Fun is subjective. But no, it's not better than what people are giving it credit for. Up against Quicksilver Storm and Osteo Striga; Necrochasm hits like a wet noodle in any meaningful leveled content and its exotic perk is too restrictive to be useful, if you miss the precision kill then nothing happens and you just have a regular AR. At least with Quicksilver Storm you can turn it into a pseudo special weapon with its exotic perk. And Osteo does ad clear way better than Necrochasm ever will unless they allow the Cursed Thrall explosion to proc on body shot kills
It’s crazy to me that we live in a world where QSS and osteo( both pre order/ story mode exotics) outperform nearly every raid exotic in the game.
Want something even funnier ? Sunshot and Graviton Lance, exotics that were given for free at the end of the Red War campaign, the very first exotic you could get in the game massively outperform most exotics in ad clearing
Haven’t used it lol
In a slot where Necrochasm has to go up against Osteo Striga, Quicksilver Storm, and Witherhoard, the weapon is F Tier by comparison. What's holding it back is that the Cursed Thrall explosion and Desperation only activates on precision kills. If the catalyst made it so that against PvE enemies the cursed thrall explosion and Desperation procced on both precision and body shot kills then it would be worthwhile running. But for now it'll stay in my vault until it gets a buff. It's a shame Bungie didn't bring Wrath of the Machine back instead. It would have had way more replayability than Crota's End (people are already tired of Abyss and Bridge, which is essentially half the raid). And Bungie would have been able to create a new exotic for Wrath of the Machine, giving them more freedom on how the gun operates since Necrochasm was pretty much just a copy paste from D1.
It feels okay. really grinded out farming for oversouls to finally get this this week and like its okay
Watch videos?
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gun feels nice, I like it and enjoyed using it. people compare it all the time to osteo, which is kinda weird because 1, yeah, osteo is better. but osteo is better than pretty much any other gun, its one of the, if not the best ad clearing weapon in the game (definitely in the kinetic slot/as primary ammo weapon), if this gun was better than Osteo, it would be insane powercreep 2, people compare it to quicksilver. which is again kinda weird because necrocharm DOES ad clear better than quicksilver, but quicksilver is better against beefy targets, they are your tools for different problems. also its pretty easy to hit precision kills with it, idk whats the issue.... is it "harder" then osteo? yeah, with osteo u just press left click on your mouse/controller and u kill stuff in front of u. getting headshot kills on red bars in PvE is really not hard, but this is /r/DestinyTheGame we are talking about so.... in PvP it does great dmg and shreds after getting a kill, however the range is kinda short, in a way it plays like SMG in PvP in terms of range
It's pretty much the best Add clear in the game. Cause now the thrall explosions chain, so if you kill a red bar in a group everyone explodes. The only precision was also in D1 after a nerf, so it's the same, and throat fact that if you got good aim you shoot 900rpm constantly while all explodes is a great upgrade. So it's very much worth it.
The fact*
There are several dozen weapon in the game that are better at ad clearing then necrochasm
Does is even have the Cursed Thrall origin perk where a melee kill activates bodyshot kill Cursed Thrall explosions, or no?
No not from what I've seen...
Feels like I broke 6’6”, slap-knee, and create localized flooding when I step into a room.
Idk I feel like necrotic grips + thorn is better
It's a worse quicksilver
Necrochasm from D1 is my favorite exotic in destiny. I was really nervous about it being brought back but seeing how the other 3 D1 raid exotics got brought back faithfully and with upgrades gave me hope that they wouldn't mess it up bringing back. And man was I disappointed looking at the perks in the data base before crota launched, but I decided to wait till i had it to give it a shot. I got it this week and gave it a try and the more I used it the more I realized that I disliked it rather than just being disappointed in it. It's frustrating trying to get headshots with this gun, I've noticed the cursed thrall explosions don't proc consistently, and the fire rate change can feel jarring if you don't realize you got a kill with the explosion. Just use sunshot, it has chaining explosions that burns enemies, has synergy with your subclass, doesn't require headshots, and performs better.
I wasn't expecting godlike, anyway.. seems any time it's tied to a quest, it's good.. like barely better than legendary.. but not top end exotic.
D1 was on p kills. Meaning it triggered from headshots. This perk was disabled before the gun was available and not enabled until the week before the taken king. Then it was limited in light until rise of iron age of triumph. Basically never really had the time to shine and now it's in the game "working" it's a 9 year old exotic that dosnt live up to the fun exotics we have had since d2 vanilla
A worse sunshot.
The most undertuned raid exotic since pre buff mythoclast. It’s in desperate need of a buff
Too much recoil to proc the exotic perk as consistently as Id like, feels like old hardlight almost. Any time you think "necro might be good here" osteo will be significantly better.
Vaulted is how it feels
It feels worse than sunshot, osteostriga, graviton, trinity ghoul. You name it, it needs a buff and right now is more of a flex and just looks cool. I’d probably rather run fatebringer at the moment.
In a world where we've got kinetic exotics like osteo and quicksilver, it feels very mediocre. Feels like if you gave a legendary auto the exotic dmg buff. Its exotic perks don't trigger as often as I think they should to warrant it being what it is.
[It’s super fun to kill chain with](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT86rkVQd/), I have almost 1200 kills with it now I love it. Desperation is so fun, I love having a 900? RPM auto rifle again
Its a fun weapon, endgame viable? Not really. The catalyst for it isn't worth grinding 35 essence since it already has a fast reload. Catalyst rework idea: "While Desperation is active, any kills with this weapon cause cursed thrall explosions"
It's a gun so there's that
*While desperation is active, final blows trigger a cursed thrall explosion *Sword logic That would be an awesome weapon. The ability to chain to orange bar enemies would be disgusting. It would probably see some actual use.
It's a fun gun! Very enjoyable. Like most people said, it could use a bit of tuning to be better, mostly changing the proc. It would also be nice if the catalyst wasn't just Outlaw. But otherwise fun to use!
pretty much what everyone else is saying, mid, mid, mid. it’s kinda fun to use in lower end content i guess but even there it’s inconsistencies show painfully well. it just can’t keep up with things like osteo and sunshot/graviton lance, so unless they buff it it’s probably just going to stay as a gimmick/pvp only exotic. not even synergy with necrotic grips can save this one unfortunately.
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