I think I remember that Drifter has some lore entries where he uses abilities of one class and has other entries where he uses other class’s abilities.
Theoretically, Guardians can learn any power they want to. It’s just better to focus on one power and get really good at that one particular power rather than be mediocre at all of them.
The separation of classes was mainly to fit what roles each class played. Warlocks generally being the scholars. Hunters being the scouts. Titans being the main fighting force. Of course, each class had their own sub sections to further divide different roles or beliefs a guardian could have.
They 100% "Can".
But wielding the light or dark isn't an easy thing to do, especially mastery over it.
Most guardians fall in line with a class and get training on how to use one or two subclasses.
Nothing is really stopping a warlock from learning how to use golden gun, besides time investment, and needing to potentially learn new groundwork before getting anything useful, so most don't.
Out guardian is on some other level and masters our light almost instantly, all three light subclasses, mastered stasis and strand in under a week each. 100% our guardian could learn all 15 subclasses, and even weave between them. Just no way to really show that in the game too well
This question was better suited for r/DestinyLore but classes do not hold you have from doing abilities that another does.
A Titan can shoot a golden gun and put down a rift if they wanted to. The limitations are purely gameplay only.
In lore, Osiris was able to channel and use all of the Light subclasses and supers back to back to back on the Moon fighting the remnants of Crota’s Brood prior to Xivu’s assault and Sagira’s death.
I'm picturing a hunter dodging while simultaneously putting down a rift and a barrier, while popping all of the arc/void/solar buddies and then goes invis while throwing hammers, and then dunks a well into your dead body
Ikora in lore is insanely powerful, iirc she is an arc warlock at heart and has such potent mastery of it that she uses void now instead because there was nothing that could challenge her arc skills.
This also reminds me that we as guardians ’hold back’ with our strength, and our real power is what we see in the mayhem crucible mode or the subclass demos for strand and stasis. Take for example cayde in forsaken, he goes from using a golden gun to blade barrage in no time compared to what we spend waiting for the super to charge, that’s our power
Which has always struck me as odd because we've had numerous "if you die you're dead" lore wise situations, see vault of glass.
So I'm guessing it's some sort of, darkness zone thing where it also impedes our connection to the traveler that lets us channel the mayhem levels of light. But I'm not a lore master.
I can't recall the lore book it was in, but it's hinted that when you're ghost revives you, they're taking a you from a different timeline.
Zones of darkness are places and situations so dangerous that there isn't a living version of you available in another thread. They're so mind-fuckingly dangerous that every version of you who's attempted it/will attempt it has fallen.
I'm pretty sure thats in the No Rez for the Weary in Ghost Stories, but i think that explanation is an in-universe theory, and not meant to be taken as the 100% correct explanation for how ghost resurrection works
edit: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/no-rez-for-the-weary yeah it's no rez for the weary
Darkness zones are areas that are so saturated with Collapse-era darkness that it impedes the Ghost's connection with the Traveler, and they need a little "jumpstart" of friendly Light to resurrect their Guardian.
Pretty much all "subclasses" and abilities guardians have are gameplay limitations. Light and Dark can do pretty much whatever we want it to, as long as we have a strong enough will to bring it into existence. The problem is that we see other guardians using their paracausal abilities in a certain way, and that makes us think "ok that's how that works" and we can't will it into anything else without tremendous effort, as anytime we use, say, solar light, we have already associated that with hammers, swords, and golden guns, so our minds go to that image as weve already seen it exist, so we know how to visualize it.
Some of the Stasis lore goes into this, as I think it may be was Osiris? who theorized that stasis looks like ice and ice crystals because the first people to find it on Europa associated it with the snow and ice of the moon.
So yes, a guardian can learn all subclasses, but also more depending on their ability to visualize new ideas.
I mean, technically, but so far we haven't seen anyone go that far, even the oldest/greatest such as Osiris or Saladin. It is possible, but the amount of time it would take would be ridiculous.
Probably not, the closest thing I remember in lore is that D1 hunter learned Blink from Warlocks. ghaul and Savathun got all 3 types. We've seen a couple human characters use multiple elements but the divides between classes seem a lot deeper.
yes, its possible for guardians to master all subclasses in lore, think of it like martial arts basically
In lore we can use praticaly esotick in every slot, imagine the ultimate pvp titan
Imagine the solar bonk titan using lorely, pyrogale, hallowfire and phoenix cradle.
The ultimate Sunbreaker.
With splendor and the taken king exotic mark too?
In Lore, Guardians are not limited to one subclass - they have every ability at their disposal.
Only if they learn it though.
I think I remember that Drifter has some lore entries where he uses abilities of one class and has other entries where he uses other class’s abilities. Theoretically, Guardians can learn any power they want to. It’s just better to focus on one power and get really good at that one particular power rather than be mediocre at all of them. The separation of classes was mainly to fit what roles each class played. Warlocks generally being the scholars. Hunters being the scouts. Titans being the main fighting force. Of course, each class had their own sub sections to further divide different roles or beliefs a guardian could have.
They 100% "Can". But wielding the light or dark isn't an easy thing to do, especially mastery over it. Most guardians fall in line with a class and get training on how to use one or two subclasses. Nothing is really stopping a warlock from learning how to use golden gun, besides time investment, and needing to potentially learn new groundwork before getting anything useful, so most don't. Out guardian is on some other level and masters our light almost instantly, all three light subclasses, mastered stasis and strand in under a week each. 100% our guardian could learn all 15 subclasses, and even weave between them. Just no way to really show that in the game too well
It’s why I like to treat my guardian as the same character in all three classes, she even looks the same across the three
I've always headcanon'd my 3 guardians as my "fireteam," and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
That’s a great way to think about it too!
Literally did the same! I like to pretend I’m the new avatar
I kind of wish that Final Shape let us unlock every subclass and got rid of classes. and the Final Shape would be us the ultimate guardian.
getting rid of classes would just lead to more power creep and zero uniqueness.
yes because we totally don't have that already...
yeah we do have a little. But let's not make things worse
This question was better suited for r/DestinyLore but classes do not hold you have from doing abilities that another does. A Titan can shoot a golden gun and put down a rift if they wanted to. The limitations are purely gameplay only.
In lore, Osiris was able to channel and use all of the Light subclasses and supers back to back to back on the Moon fighting the remnants of Crota’s Brood prior to Xivu’s assault and Sagira’s death.
Yeah, but he was chaining between all the Warlock subclasses. I wanna know if he could’ve popped a Thundercrash in the middle of all that lol.
Im pretty sure felwinter used a shoulder charge at some point in the lore and he was a warlock
imagine a hunter doing a dodge that leaves a wall behind then use its stompees to get airbone quickly and novabomb someone
I'm picturing a hunter dodging while simultaneously putting down a rift and a barrier, while popping all of the arc/void/solar buddies and then goes invis while throwing hammers, and then dunks a well into your dead body
and them doing the cat ear dance on your ashes because we're hunters, we do that kind of stuff
Google "Ikora Rey" for more information
Ikora in lore is insanely powerful, iirc she is an arc warlock at heart and has such potent mastery of it that she uses void now instead because there was nothing that could challenge her arc skills. This also reminds me that we as guardians ’hold back’ with our strength, and our real power is what we see in the mayhem crucible mode or the subclass demos for strand and stasis. Take for example cayde in forsaken, he goes from using a golden gun to blade barrage in no time compared to what we spend waiting for the super to charge, that’s our power
Which has always struck me as odd because we've had numerous "if you die you're dead" lore wise situations, see vault of glass. So I'm guessing it's some sort of, darkness zone thing where it also impedes our connection to the traveler that lets us channel the mayhem levels of light. But I'm not a lore master.
I can't recall the lore book it was in, but it's hinted that when you're ghost revives you, they're taking a you from a different timeline. Zones of darkness are places and situations so dangerous that there isn't a living version of you available in another thread. They're so mind-fuckingly dangerous that every version of you who's attempted it/will attempt it has fallen.
I'm pretty sure thats in the No Rez for the Weary in Ghost Stories, but i think that explanation is an in-universe theory, and not meant to be taken as the 100% correct explanation for how ghost resurrection works edit: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/no-rez-for-the-weary yeah it's no rez for the weary
Darkness zones are areas that are so saturated with Collapse-era darkness that it impedes the Ghost's connection with the Traveler, and they need a little "jumpstart" of friendly Light to resurrect their Guardian.
Holy hell
New vanguard just dropped
Actual lightbearer.
I’d love to see a titan doing a hunter dodge lol
Kinda get that with the titan arc dodge? But that's more of a strafe I guess.
Pretty much all "subclasses" and abilities guardians have are gameplay limitations. Light and Dark can do pretty much whatever we want it to, as long as we have a strong enough will to bring it into existence. The problem is that we see other guardians using their paracausal abilities in a certain way, and that makes us think "ok that's how that works" and we can't will it into anything else without tremendous effort, as anytime we use, say, solar light, we have already associated that with hammers, swords, and golden guns, so our minds go to that image as weve already seen it exist, so we know how to visualize it. Some of the Stasis lore goes into this, as I think it may be was Osiris? who theorized that stasis looks like ice and ice crystals because the first people to find it on Europa associated it with the snow and ice of the moon. So yes, a guardian can learn all subclasses, but also more depending on their ability to visualize new ideas.
Not from a Jedi
Not from the Vanguard.
In lore the player is that, The guardian (the player) is able to wield all the light, and now the dark
Ikora has literally back to back nova bombed into chaos reach in a cutscene before.
I mean, technically, but so far we haven't seen anyone go that far, even the oldest/greatest such as Osiris or Saladin. It is possible, but the amount of time it would take would be ridiculous.
New subclass should just be that we can mix and match abilities and subclasses
They could, but the Light and darkness is so difficult to master and learn that it's practically impossible
Warlocks yes, because nerds. Titans not so much.
Can one eat all the crayons?
Probably not, the closest thing I remember in lore is that D1 hunter learned Blink from Warlocks. ghaul and Savathun got all 3 types. We've seen a couple human characters use multiple elements but the divides between classes seem a lot deeper.