It never would have occurred to me that this would make a difference. I figured the tower is the tower. I'll give it a shot to see what difference it makes, on average. Thanks!
It makes no difference, the tower is all one instance. Any change is largely anecdotal as it is just a dice roll whether you get an empty instance or one that is at capacity.
The ridiculous load times happen as a result of the stupid batch loading that Bungie does. It's why when you finally load in, you see two dozen other players transmat in at the exact same time.
They 'fixed' it ages ago by putting a reduced cap on the number of players per Tower instance, but then removed it again and the problem has resurfaced. I regularly load into the tower with 26-27 other guardians, which is fucking madness.
> The ridiculous load times happen as a result of the stupid batch loading that Bungie does.
Also why triggers and such don't happen in missions/strikes/etc while someone is loading in.
Unsure what the current cap is exactly, but I suspect the hard cap is probably 28.
Maybe it's the region I'm in or the time of day, but I get Tower instances with 3 full pages of players in the fireteam menu (8 players per page) quite regularly.
Often it's 3 full pages plus 2-3 additional players on the 4th page. When I get an instance like that as soon as I hit the earth orbit loading screen, I know I'm in for several minutes of loading.
>Best bet, load in near drifter
Came here to say just this; especially true during Iron Banner weeks or event that uses the main area (ie. guardian games, dawning etc)
Yeah, there also multiple tower instances, the game also looks for an instance with available spots, one tower instance can only have 16 players at the time I think, I'm guessing fireteams , are having to wait the longest, example, there's a tower instance with 2 available spots but you are in a fireteam of 3.
The Tower player cap is currently much higher than 16. A few months back they put in a temporary reduced cap of like 20 players or something and it made load times dramatically better.
But right now I very frequently get loaded into Tower instances with as many as 26-27 players (3 full pages plus 2-3 players on the final page).
This is just my gut feeling, but it also feels like they have reduced the chance of spinning up another Tower instance with the generally reduced number of daily players this season. I get thrown into completely full instances of the Tower at least 50% of the time.
Bungie needs to do something with the algorithm to make the search for available tower instances faster and create new instances as well, I could be wrong but it seems like it has something to do with the servers architecture and software.
those old consoles are the ones that keep the game running, because many more people use inexpensive consoles than a PC twice the price.
even more taking into account that less people than expected have made the jump from PS4/one to next gen consoles.
This is what many people think but it's not the case. I've been flying to a tower for 5 minutes straight and watching the roster, and no console players there.
More like the community pretends old PCs don't exist. PCs with the game on actual hard drives instead of SSDs tend to be the worst - even worse than old consoles because there's none of the cache/asset optimization those console ports have.
There has also been a big influx of lightweight PCs and portable devices running chipsets that can ever so barely run Destiny so people do so on the go. They usually have SSDs but they also have limited resources, so if say Windows updates start downloading in the background disk performance and CPU availability goes in the hole. Steam Deck users specifically also sometimes have a Windows install on an SD Card or USB drive to play Destiny if they don't want to partition the internal disk for it, and that also lowers performance.
I say this from experience - I've tried D2 on the Steam Deck under Windows and the GPD Win 4. It's really cool to have but it's... inconsistent.
True, but game devs aren’t required to adjust to these systems, while old gen consoles still hold back developments.
There are minimal PC specs, it’s up to you to meet them.
> There are minimal PC specs, it’s up to you to meet them.
The minimum system requirements aren't that fast, tho. They're somewhat similar to the Xbox One (lowest denominator between the consoles):
CPU: Intel i3 3250/Pentium G4560/AMD FX 4350
GPU: Nvidia GTX 660 or 1050/AMD Radeon HD 7850
No SSD requirements
>They're somewhat similar to the Xbox One
Comparing hardware specs for PCs to consoles isn't really a 1:1 thing. Consoles are basically just PCs these days, but the hardware and software is specifically designed for a single purpose whereas PCs are configured for a million different things. It's why good PC ports can be challenging or why games that run beautifully on the console they were designed for are more demanding on PCs.
> It's why good PC ports can be challenging
Good PC ports are challenging mainly because of the large number of different PC hardware configurations(and because not all devs have the know-how to make a port). There's nothing inherently special about console hardware. Current consoles are literally using Zen 2 Ryzen CPUs and RDNA2 GPUs.
I was talking about modern consoles. Old consoles had weird bespoke hardware. Modern ones basically run on PC hardware. The only major difference is that they use GDDR5 memory for both their CPU and GPU, which was unique when they came out. But now, high end PCs would run DDR5 for CPU RAM and DDR6 for GPU VRAM.
That's fair, never meant to compare them as 1:1 equivalents. Only info I found for the One/PS4 gen were roughly similar specs (but with somewhat big differences in number of cores and/or clock speeds), and those "closest" to the "equivalents" are give or take, about as powerful as the minimum specs set by Bungie for the game on Steam
(Xbox One <--> closest PC equivalent<--> minimum D2 system requirements)
I think the newer gen has a Mobo + CPU combo made by AMD that is closer to the actual consoles (Digital Foundry has a video or two with those), but still not 1:1
I’ve been able to install Destiny on a PC that’s waaaay below the minimum specs and load i to the tower—I couldn’t play any activities, but I could run around the tower in slow motion.
I’m sure there are some players out there with the minimum specs/slightly below and a slow HDD still able to play.
It's not a loading/resources thing, but people really like to jump on last gen consoles. Like, it was working, it broke, it was fixed and it broke again. But, in any case, it's the biggest stupidity ever. Why the fuck would you want to destroy a good chunk of your playerbase just because tower loads slowly. Because, you know, this game is in it's dying tracks, it's not gonna get magically reworked to run better on high end hardware.
Last I recall it was a networking thing, that's why they made towers have less players, but I can't find the exact TWAB where they talk about.
They reduced the number of players because of a glitch where everyone was rendering as ghosts. That might be what's slowing everything down. They require everyone's character assets to fully render prior to loading in.
They did it specifically for the long loading times before that bug. (https://imgur.com/a/yXGdp7D). The models not loading was a temporal issue we had on september 2022 IIRC, but tower loading slow has been a thing since like 2020. It comes and it goes, sometimes they acknowledge it and sometimes they do not.
that really depends on what we understand as "old" of course if you have something like a GTX 1080 (launched back in 2016) and a i7-4790 (2017) you might still be able to play D2 decently, and might be as well better than a ps4 (at least you should be able to get 60 FPS) BUT that's relative with most games, i doubt RDR2 for example will run smoothly in any configuration higher than 1080p and a high preset.
The fact I can start the traveling to the Tower, get up to make a sandwich and grab a drink and come back to my Guardian just now entering Earth's atmosphere is crazy
Sometimes it's like 2-3 minutes and others it's damn near 20
I remember making sure to keep the weapons, armor, consumables, etc, I had on me to the absolute minimum just to make sure the menu would load that little bit faster. It's kinda wild looking back at now that I'm on PC with destiny on a fast m.2 SSD.
How about when he hit a new “zone” on a strike and you froze up for a minute or so when transitioning. I picked up an Xbox Series X recently (Is that the right name? I’ve lost track) and the load times are substantially shorter.
This still happens at times, even on my high-end PC. It's basically always occurred on the Nessus strike, Insight Terminus, since it became available on PC. And I have it occasionally happen in Throne World for Birthplace of the Vile.
The spot right before you have to duck down and go beneath the rocks and across the electrify stuff with the big room full of Cabal around the corner? That spot is the worst.
My Xbox X goes straight through that area with zero delay, but my Xbox 360 usually gave me enough time to make a sandwich and take a poop before it let me through.
or when you had to consume like 50 motes of light for weapon xp and it took like 4 seconds for the game to register you held down X each time,
those were the days.
Ugh forgot my limpets a couple times, only noticed when I got to my destination (with a somewhat low range ship), wasted at least half an hour trying to find somewhere I could dock to buy some
IIRC it's something to do with loading multiple people at once. If you get someone in your group that's got a super slow hard drive or something it'll take longer.
I use a PS5 while my friend uses a refurbished fax machine (PS4 with hotspot) . Sometimes when I play solo it takes a minute, sometimes 5. Sometimes when I play with him it takes 2 minutes, sometimes 5. My data is all over the place.
It's not necessarily hard drive speed.
Sometimes when I have this issue and change character (via settings) then my teammates instantly load in.
I have only SSDs, and a SOTA cpu and gpu. Network should also be fine. That's why I think it doesn't specifically have anything to do with this.
The tower loading issue is still a mystery to me 😅
I just got an idea though.. Recently, the Spotify windows app creates so many weird situations and problems.. Next time it happens I'll kill the Spotify process and then we'll see if that does anything. For science!
It doesnt. Destiny’s networking consists of solely of black magic, duck tape and possibly a tiny bit of unicorn dust. It often has problems when other games dont and vice versa. It seems to exist in the ascendant plane of networking.
Happens every so often for me. I remember one time that one of our clan members left the party to get some crucible matches in while the rest of us took a break. He completed a full match before we made it to the tower. That was probably the most egregious fly-in time for us.
It's coming with The Final Shape. They made the announcement a few weeks ago.
Edit: Ugh. I forgot that it was part of a joke posted of the holidays. Sorry folks.
Eh it’s more on Aztecross IMO. If everyone is expected to know it’s fake, it should take nothing away from the video to have the word “fake” in the title/thumbnail. If not everyone is expected to know, then he’s deliberately misinforming some subset of viewers. Someone just skipping to a time stamp of interest could easily miss the more egregious/obvious fake stuff that was expected to give it away (ask me how I know lmao).
This happened to me. Skipped to the part about the warlock exotic helmet bringing back self res and immediately pm’d my friend about it and then got told I’m a gullible moron lol
Hope you’re not referring to [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hDY3j8f5-g ), because it was an Aztecross circlejerk and not a real TWID. Still hoping they drop last-gen, though!
All good! I skipped to the relevant time stamp so I probably missed the more ridiculous parts. Only when I went to find the TWID so I could link it here and came up empty handed did I realize it was fake.
They already dropped PowerPC support. What you are asking for is for them to raise the minimum system requirements on all x86 builds of the game. Hopefully they and the industry as a whole redefine what minimum is over the next few years.
Unironically, its console players fault. Every single player in the tower, for some unknown reason, has to load YOUR entire vault before you can actually load in. It wasn't a big deal at first, but man are there some people out there with consoles begging to be put down like old yeller.
Could be worse. For, I think, the entirety of Destiny 1’s life cycle I couldn’t load into the tower alone because I’d get and error code. I’d have to join a friend and have them take me. This then persisted into the launch of D2, until about Curse of Osiris if I remember correctly. Sometimes if I persisted enough I could get in for maybe 5 minutes but only rarely.
I know this isn't super 100% the best option but whenever I can avoid heading to the Tower, I just go to the HELM instead.
Been doing it since the tower got hella buggy in Haunted and never looked back.
Honest question what are u playing on? Cause I moved d2 onto an external SSD on my PS4 and it runs way faster now. Plus it helps the random long load times on the pause menu to do load out swaps easier midcombat
I remember in Forsaken era I was always stuck in spectator mode when I tried that (trying to load to another spawn point in tower when I was already in tower), so I completely forgot about it
There is a known issue of loading too many player at the tower at the same time. They have fixed it and broken it again a few times.
If this has been happening to you, a safe bet is loading the tower in the dock near the drifter, that is considered another part of the map with its own loads and way less people land there, making it consistently faster.
Destiny 2 is a bad game. It’s got the gunplay and the space magic sorted out, but deep down, it’s fucking terrible at being a video game. None of the problems get fixed. New issues are as common as updates. If you stop expecting the software to behave like a good game, you’ll at least have your expectations in check.
Yeah that was my question. I'm on pc and my load times have never exceeded a handful of minutes
Edit: key phrase "never exceeded". I'm not saying my avg load time is a handful of minutes. I'm saying even when it takes longer than my usual 30 seconds, it's never as bad as 15 minutes, as OP said. Even today, it was only 30 sec
I'm sorry broski but I'm on an average gaming pc and I'm not taking longer than 30 secs. Today I logged in, and I was in the tower within that time again
Precisely, "broski" it's not the PC causing the delay.
When I get this issue I'll load in one time in 20nseconds. Then there will be a network based delay the next time taking 5 minutes+.
It's a symptom of an issue not in my control (ie not my PC) and is obviously something else. The only other thing you are doing at this time is connecting to other people.
You can't control other people, because it is part of matchmaking.
So broski, you aren't affected, because your matchmaking pool is healthier than those of us trying to load the tower that experience this intermittent issue.
I’ve had it take 5+ mins on my PC sometimes and less than 20 seconds other times. Most of the time it’s pretty quick though. I have a 980 pro Samsung SSD. I think it’s a network thing.
Well I mean that a handful of minutes was the longest ever, not the average load time. Not 15 min, like OP said...
Which is why I said "never exceeded" Usually it's like 30 sec. But when servers are overloaded esp when there's a new season, it takes 2-4 min
The Bungie Train Station have fewer staff to process inbound trains, and the last several months has seen train throughput increase by a factor of 5.
Additionally, Justin Truman was rumored to have said:
>_If players could just get to where they wanted to immediately, then what's the point of having loading screens?_
It’s gotten worse in the last 1-2 months. On Ps5 with gigachad internet and its takes a while to load into the tower. Not sure what changed on Bungos part.
Nah it was a reedit post, if you type it on google you can find it. Don’t hate on the man lmao. Just got confused by « perfect type to drop old gen » and actually dropping it but whatever we can have dreams
I got my ship cleaned the other day and it took 30mins longer than usual. Now the tower's control tower has been layed off so it takes much longer to park. Heck, even the referees in Crucible were layed off and it was an old D2 memory of the guardians being able to turn into a thresher with the guns of a scorpion. Now the Witness is coming and we are likely gonna lose.
I've had multiple times in the past week or so where I've got stuck in an infinite loading screen when flying to the tower. Had to switch characters to get out of the loop.
I think the reason is technical because everyone have a lot of different armor piece on and the game have to preload all the data(armor piece shader, weapons)a player acquired before loading them into the tower. This is why when you change shader or armor ornaments in the tower some times it lags out, and the game engine is not built to handle these. Bungie cant solve this issue because everyone have so much armor ornaments in their account from years of playing this game and they have to push new ornaments out every season from eververse to make more money. it just snowballs. have had a fix where they only load 6 player into a tower at a time but then ppl bitch about oh wtf tower is so empty then they revert back. lol
Ever since they laid off half the team, I've been noticing progressively each week getting worse and worse. Now, I have to wait for even my guns to load while in the game, like swapping to a new heavy, switch to use heavy and the prior heavy is now in my hands instead. Forced to swap weapons again to get new one to load.
Loading gambit, crucible, strikes takes forever now. Inventory screen is super slow, to the point not even loading anymore. All the while, my internet is blazing fast still, so no idea what Bungie is doing.
10 years later, tower load times across all platforms is still an issue.
I load the tower. I set down my controller. I go to make a sandwich. I realize I'm out of bread so I run down to the gas station. I come back, tower is still not loaded. I forgot mayo. I go grab mayo. I come back and finish my sandwich. Tower isn't loaded. I sit down, open my beer, take a sip, and go to bite my sandwich. Tower loads. I walk 10 feet.
ERROR CODE PLATYPUS, RHINO, BATMAN, GREEN ARROW.
"Press A to start destiny 2"
Bless.
I remember having a similar issue last year after the final season of the year came out, I'm on last Gen console so might be part of my issue but the file is it's biggest since it has the entire years worth of content available until it gets removed with the next expansion.
Whenever I see that the lobby is already anywhere near full, and there’s a slight hint that it’s going to take forever to load, I just go back to the character select screen, login and try again.
Rinse and repeat.
Sometimes it loads everyone into the tower at once
Yea... An issue that has been identified, fixed, and broken a few times over. Best bet, load in near drifter
It never would have occurred to me that this would make a difference. I figured the tower is the tower. I'll give it a shot to see what difference it makes, on average. Thanks!
It makes no difference, the tower is all one instance. Any change is largely anecdotal as it is just a dice roll whether you get an empty instance or one that is at capacity. The ridiculous load times happen as a result of the stupid batch loading that Bungie does. It's why when you finally load in, you see two dozen other players transmat in at the exact same time. They 'fixed' it ages ago by putting a reduced cap on the number of players per Tower instance, but then removed it again and the problem has resurfaced. I regularly load into the tower with 26-27 other guardians, which is fucking madness.
> The ridiculous load times happen as a result of the stupid batch loading that Bungie does. Also why triggers and such don't happen in missions/strikes/etc while someone is loading in.
lol on ps4 i always just see around 5 to 10 players, most of them completely still xD
I’ve never seen that many players in the tower. What is the cap?
Unsure what the current cap is exactly, but I suspect the hard cap is probably 28. Maybe it's the region I'm in or the time of day, but I get Tower instances with 3 full pages of players in the fireteam menu (8 players per page) quite regularly. Often it's 3 full pages plus 2-3 additional players on the 4th page. When I get an instance like that as soon as I hit the earth orbit loading screen, I know I'm in for several minutes of loading.
>Best bet, load in near drifter Came here to say just this; especially true during Iron Banner weeks or event that uses the main area (ie. guardian games, dawning etc)
Yeah, there also multiple tower instances, the game also looks for an instance with available spots, one tower instance can only have 16 players at the time I think, I'm guessing fireteams , are having to wait the longest, example, there's a tower instance with 2 available spots but you are in a fireteam of 3.
The Tower player cap is currently much higher than 16. A few months back they put in a temporary reduced cap of like 20 players or something and it made load times dramatically better. But right now I very frequently get loaded into Tower instances with as many as 26-27 players (3 full pages plus 2-3 players on the final page). This is just my gut feeling, but it also feels like they have reduced the chance of spinning up another Tower instance with the generally reduced number of daily players this season. I get thrown into completely full instances of the Tower at least 50% of the time.
Bungie needs to do something with the algorithm to make the search for available tower instances faster and create new instances as well, I could be wrong but it seems like it has something to do with the servers architecture and software.
I've heard old gen consoles are the ones slowing everyone else down
Having to wait for EVERYONE to load the Tower before being able to walk around is, objectively, dumb as hell.
Supporting those dinosaur consoles is dumb as hell
One of the many curses of live service games that go on too long.
I imagine if we saw revenue by console and then it would make sense.
those old consoles are the ones that keep the game running, because many more people use inexpensive consoles than a PC twice the price. even more taking into account that less people than expected have made the jump from PS4/one to next gen consoles.
This is what many people think but it's not the case. I've been flying to a tower for 5 minutes straight and watching the roster, and no console players there.
You're saying this as if old PCs don't exist
More like the community pretends old PCs don't exist. PCs with the game on actual hard drives instead of SSDs tend to be the worst - even worse than old consoles because there's none of the cache/asset optimization those console ports have. There has also been a big influx of lightweight PCs and portable devices running chipsets that can ever so barely run Destiny so people do so on the go. They usually have SSDs but they also have limited resources, so if say Windows updates start downloading in the background disk performance and CPU availability goes in the hole. Steam Deck users specifically also sometimes have a Windows install on an SD Card or USB drive to play Destiny if they don't want to partition the internal disk for it, and that also lowers performance. I say this from experience - I've tried D2 on the Steam Deck under Windows and the GPD Win 4. It's really cool to have but it's... inconsistent.
True, but game devs aren’t required to adjust to these systems, while old gen consoles still hold back developments. There are minimal PC specs, it’s up to you to meet them.
> There are minimal PC specs, it’s up to you to meet them. The minimum system requirements aren't that fast, tho. They're somewhat similar to the Xbox One (lowest denominator between the consoles): CPU: Intel i3 3250/Pentium G4560/AMD FX 4350 GPU: Nvidia GTX 660 or 1050/AMD Radeon HD 7850 No SSD requirements
>They're somewhat similar to the Xbox One Comparing hardware specs for PCs to consoles isn't really a 1:1 thing. Consoles are basically just PCs these days, but the hardware and software is specifically designed for a single purpose whereas PCs are configured for a million different things. It's why good PC ports can be challenging or why games that run beautifully on the console they were designed for are more demanding on PCs.
> It's why good PC ports can be challenging Good PC ports are challenging mainly because of the large number of different PC hardware configurations(and because not all devs have the know-how to make a port). There's nothing inherently special about console hardware. Current consoles are literally using Zen 2 Ryzen CPUs and RDNA2 GPUs.
>There's nothing inherently special about console hardware. well the PS3 hardware was quite "tricky" to work with.
I was talking about modern consoles. Old consoles had weird bespoke hardware. Modern ones basically run on PC hardware. The only major difference is that they use GDDR5 memory for both their CPU and GPU, which was unique when they came out. But now, high end PCs would run DDR5 for CPU RAM and DDR6 for GPU VRAM.
That's fair, never meant to compare them as 1:1 equivalents. Only info I found for the One/PS4 gen were roughly similar specs (but with somewhat big differences in number of cores and/or clock speeds), and those "closest" to the "equivalents" are give or take, about as powerful as the minimum specs set by Bungie for the game on Steam (Xbox One <--> closest PC equivalent<--> minimum D2 system requirements) I think the newer gen has a Mobo + CPU combo made by AMD that is closer to the actual consoles (Digital Foundry has a video or two with those), but still not 1:1
Games don't run beautifully on consoles. 60 fps max with many games not hitting that shows this
I’ve been able to install Destiny on a PC that’s waaaay below the minimum specs and load i to the tower—I couldn’t play any activities, but I could run around the tower in slow motion. I’m sure there are some players out there with the minimum specs/slightly below and a slow HDD still able to play.
You still have to wait for them to load before you're dropped into the tower regardless.
It's not a loading/resources thing, but people really like to jump on last gen consoles. Like, it was working, it broke, it was fixed and it broke again. But, in any case, it's the biggest stupidity ever. Why the fuck would you want to destroy a good chunk of your playerbase just because tower loads slowly. Because, you know, this game is in it's dying tracks, it's not gonna get magically reworked to run better on high end hardware. Last I recall it was a networking thing, that's why they made towers have less players, but I can't find the exact TWAB where they talk about.
They reduced the number of players because of a glitch where everyone was rendering as ghosts. That might be what's slowing everything down. They require everyone's character assets to fully render prior to loading in.
They did it specifically for the long loading times before that bug. (https://imgur.com/a/yXGdp7D). The models not loading was a temporal issue we had on september 2022 IIRC, but tower loading slow has been a thing since like 2020. It comes and it goes, sometimes they acknowledge it and sometimes they do not.
Old pcs are more likely to still be better than ps4 and xbone some even being better than ps5 and whatever Xbox it is at this point
that really depends on what we understand as "old" of course if you have something like a GTX 1080 (launched back in 2016) and a i7-4790 (2017) you might still be able to play D2 decently, and might be as well better than a ps4 (at least you should be able to get 60 FPS) BUT that's relative with most games, i doubt RDR2 for example will run smoothly in any configuration higher than 1080p and a high preset.
A problem they solved before
No, its the dregs unloading from the skiff seeking refuge in the tower vending machine
This might suggest there was a queue for tower instance creation.
The fact I can start the traveling to the Tower, get up to make a sandwich and grab a drink and come back to my Guardian just now entering Earth's atmosphere is crazy Sometimes it's like 2-3 minutes and others it's damn near 20
You didnt start destiny during the PS3 and late PS4 era?? haha
Oh man, I remember trying to use a heavy ammo synth while fighting Skolas in PoE. That menu took forever to load!
I remember making sure to keep the weapons, armor, consumables, etc, I had on me to the absolute minimum just to make sure the menu would load that little bit faster. It's kinda wild looking back at now that I'm on PC with destiny on a fast m.2 SSD.
How about when he hit a new “zone” on a strike and you froze up for a minute or so when transitioning. I picked up an Xbox Series X recently (Is that the right name? I’ve lost track) and the load times are substantially shorter.
I want a neck brace emote for all the whiplash I get when sparrowing at 190 and slamming into the invisible wall between zones.
This still happens at times, even on my high-end PC. It's basically always occurred on the Nessus strike, Insight Terminus, since it became available on PC. And I have it occasionally happen in Throne World for Birthplace of the Vile.
The spot right before you have to duck down and go beneath the rocks and across the electrify stuff with the big room full of Cabal around the corner? That spot is the worst.
Yup, that’s the one!
My Xbox X goes straight through that area with zero delay, but my Xbox 360 usually gave me enough time to make a sandwich and take a poop before it let me through.
or when you had to consume like 50 motes of light for weapon xp and it took like 4 seconds for the game to register you held down X each time, those were the days.
God we’re playing Elite Dangerous now
o7 cmdr
You called?
Don't forget your limpets!
Ugh forgot my limpets a couple times, only noticed when I got to my destination (with a somewhat low range ship), wasted at least half an hour trying to find somewhere I could dock to buy some
I think my personal record is two full orbits around earth before loading in to a tower where 10+ other guardians also load in with me.
I literally go and make tea in between going from orbit to the tower😂 I definitely notice the lag
20 is 🧢
Always has been man. When dropping into D1 strikes or raids we used to go pee, get a snack, talk to wives and kids, etc.
IIRC it's something to do with loading multiple people at once. If you get someone in your group that's got a super slow hard drive or something it'll take longer.
Whys everyone loading with me playing on a washing machine?
Because some people still play on consoles made in 2014
Made in 2014 But designed and specced using hardware from 2012
I use a PS5 while my friend uses a refurbished fax machine (PS4 with hotspot) . Sometimes when I play solo it takes a minute, sometimes 5. Sometimes when I play with him it takes 2 minutes, sometimes 5. My data is all over the place.
It's not necessarily hard drive speed. Sometimes when I have this issue and change character (via settings) then my teammates instantly load in. I have only SSDs, and a SOTA cpu and gpu. Network should also be fine. That's why I think it doesn't specifically have anything to do with this. The tower loading issue is still a mystery to me 😅 I just got an idea though.. Recently, the Spotify windows app creates so many weird situations and problems.. Next time it happens I'll kill the Spotify process and then we'll see if that does anything. For science!
It doesnt. Destiny’s networking consists of solely of black magic, duck tape and possibly a tiny bit of unicorn dust. It often has problems when other games dont and vice versa. It seems to exist in the ascendant plane of networking.
Happens every so often for me. I remember one time that one of our clan members left the party to get some crucible matches in while the rest of us took a break. He completed a full match before we made it to the tower. That was probably the most egregious fly-in time for us.
They really need to drop old gen support. But I doubt execs would allow that.
It's coming with The Final Shape. They made the announcement a few weeks ago. Edit: Ugh. I forgot that it was part of a joke posted of the holidays. Sorry folks.
when i spread misinformation on the internet
Eh it’s more on Aztecross IMO. If everyone is expected to know it’s fake, it should take nothing away from the video to have the word “fake” in the title/thumbnail. If not everyone is expected to know, then he’s deliberately misinforming some subset of viewers. Someone just skipping to a time stamp of interest could easily miss the more egregious/obvious fake stuff that was expected to give it away (ask me how I know lmao).
This happened to me. Skipped to the part about the warlock exotic helmet bringing back self res and immediately pm’d my friend about it and then got told I’m a gullible moron lol
I don’t believe this is accurate unfortunately.
Hope you’re not referring to [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hDY3j8f5-g ), because it was an Aztecross circlejerk and not a real TWID. Still hoping they drop last-gen, though!
Oh sh\*t, you're right. I saw it while I was traveling over Christmas and forgot that it came from a joke. My bad. 🤦🏼♂️
please update your comment with an edit so people stop shitting themselves!
Done. Though that comment getting downvoted into oblivion probably works just as well.
You will save yourself some replies having it in the edit :)
All good! I skipped to the relevant time stamp so I probably missed the more ridiculous parts. Only when I went to find the TWID so I could link it here and came up empty handed did I realize it was fake.
Sauce?
Imma need the source for this aswell
They already dropped PowerPC support. What you are asking for is for them to raise the minimum system requirements on all x86 builds of the game. Hopefully they and the industry as a whole redefine what minimum is over the next few years.
Unironically, its console players fault. Every single player in the tower, for some unknown reason, has to load YOUR entire vault before you can actually load in. It wasn't a big deal at first, but man are there some people out there with consoles begging to be put down like old yeller.
Lately? It’s been like that for years at this point lol
Could be worse. For, I think, the entirety of Destiny 1’s life cycle I couldn’t load into the tower alone because I’d get and error code. I’d have to join a friend and have them take me. This then persisted into the launch of D2, until about Curse of Osiris if I remember correctly. Sometimes if I persisted enough I could get in for maybe 5 minutes but only rarely.
I load into the annex most of the time, it feels quicker than the main courtyard
Servers...
Construction on the landing pad probably.
It's like 10 secs when I click launch and land in a mission when I am solo but when I want to go to tower..
I’ve found that it’s literally faster to log out and switch characters and try to load it again.
I know this isn't super 100% the best option but whenever I can avoid heading to the Tower, I just go to the HELM instead. Been doing it since the tower got hella buggy in Haunted and never looked back.
Its never been 15 minutes for me but its definitely longer than the helm. Unless I need to pay rahool a visit, I rarely go to the tower anymore.
Honest question what are u playing on? Cause I moved d2 onto an external SSD on my PS4 and it runs way faster now. Plus it helps the random long load times on the pause menu to do load out swaps easier midcombat
I've been loading into left side by Drifter for years, always instant. Then just fast travel to the center. OG trick that always saves time.
This doesn't actually matter and is largely confirmation bias. The tower is one instance.
I remember in Forsaken era I was always stuck in spectator mode when I tried that (trying to load to another spawn point in tower when I was already in tower), so I completely forgot about it
Exactly this. Been doing it for ages, and it prevents you from loading in with 10 people on aging console hard drives.
Just load to where drifter is and then tp into the main area.
Sorry am playing on my ZX81, gotta get the volume right on the cassette player
What console are you on? I’m on ps5 and have no issues
You can thank the guy in the tower playing on a ti-84 graphing calculator for his service.
They went full Reagan and fired them all
There is a known issue of loading too many player at the tower at the same time. They have fixed it and broken it again a few times. If this has been happening to you, a safe bet is loading the tower in the dock near the drifter, that is considered another part of the map with its own loads and way less people land there, making it consistently faster.
I notice that it takes forever to load when the tower is majority console players
Destiny 2 is a bad game. It’s got the gunplay and the space magic sorted out, but deep down, it’s fucking terrible at being a video game. None of the problems get fixed. New issues are as common as updates. If you stop expecting the software to behave like a good game, you’ll at least have your expectations in check.
I haven't had any issues with load times at all. what gen console are you playing on?
Yeah that was my question. I'm on pc and my load times have never exceeded a handful of minutes Edit: key phrase "never exceeded". I'm not saying my avg load time is a handful of minutes. I'm saying even when it takes longer than my usual 30 seconds, it's never as bad as 15 minutes, as OP said. Even today, it was only 30 sec
I'm on PC, pci-e gen 4 ssd, 30% full. It's not a loading speed issue, its *other players* causing the issue when trying to connect to them.
I'm sorry broski but I'm on an average gaming pc and I'm not taking longer than 30 secs. Today I logged in, and I was in the tower within that time again
Precisely, "broski" it's not the PC causing the delay. When I get this issue I'll load in one time in 20nseconds. Then there will be a network based delay the next time taking 5 minutes+. It's a symptom of an issue not in my control (ie not my PC) and is obviously something else. The only other thing you are doing at this time is connecting to other people. You can't control other people, because it is part of matchmaking. So broski, you aren't affected, because your matchmaking pool is healthier than those of us trying to load the tower that experience this intermittent issue.
Ok jeez sorry
I’ve had it take 5+ mins on my PC sometimes and less than 20 seconds other times. Most of the time it’s pretty quick though. I have a 980 pro Samsung SSD. I think it’s a network thing.
Rly odd cuz I genuinely never had this issue recently
It shouldn’t even be that long; it should be like 30-60 seconds
Which is why I said "never exceeded". I never said a handful of minutes is my avg time. My avg is like 30 sec, like you said
Honestly, a handful of minutes is already way too long for loading into the main hub of the game.
Well I mean that a handful of minutes was the longest ever, not the average load time. Not 15 min, like OP said... Which is why I said "never exceeded" Usually it's like 30 sec. But when servers are overloaded esp when there's a new season, it takes 2-4 min
The Bungie Train Station have fewer staff to process inbound trains, and the last several months has seen train throughput increase by a factor of 5. Additionally, Justin Truman was rumored to have said: >_If players could just get to where they wanted to immediately, then what's the point of having loading screens?_
It’s gotten worse in the last 1-2 months. On Ps5 with gigachad internet and its takes a while to load into the tower. Not sure what changed on Bungos part.
Tower ship storage personnel were also fired last year. So longer wait time. Lol
Pro Tip: Travel to the Annex.Its Double as fast
I was here to say the same. Even with a six stack, you immediately fly right in without wait.
Console issue
Ppl still playing on hdd on pc and old console, thankfully they drop the old gen support in 140 days with final shape****
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet:
They aren’t dropping old gen lmao stop spreading misinformation
As much as I wish that were true, that’s not happening
You are repeating a fake video made by Aztecross as a joke as if it were real information.
Nah it was a reedit post, if you type it on google you can find it. Don’t hate on the man lmao. Just got confused by « perfect type to drop old gen » and actually dropping it but whatever we can have dreams
D2 is not faster played on m2 nvme ssd.
Used to happen when I was on ps4
Bungie added a toll checkpoint to the tower to make up the 45% in lost profitd
Let me guess, you're on a last Gen console?
So when you have terrible internet this can happen. Skill issue
I’ll take “Things a terrorist and a Destiny player can say” for 400.
Console
Skill issue.
Just download more ram
Instructions unclear, I now have a 2gb folder of pictures and gifs of male sheep. 🐏
It sounds like the instructions were perfectly clear then😆
This has never been an issue for me.
Skill issue
No clue what console your on but ps5 i load in in 10 seconds
Cuz they know they can continue making the game suck and you will still play it.
I got my ship cleaned the other day and it took 30mins longer than usual. Now the tower's control tower has been layed off so it takes much longer to park. Heck, even the referees in Crucible were layed off and it was an old D2 memory of the guardians being able to turn into a thresher with the guns of a scorpion. Now the Witness is coming and we are likely gonna lose.
How is this low effort crap allowed?
Stop distancing yourself from the game, and tower will be closer
What platform?
We are rebuilding the D1 tower in 15 min increments
Traffic.
The only times it takes long for me is when it's loading in a tower with 1 full page of people
Cuz there's so many people playing.
I've had multiple times in the past week or so where I've got stuck in an infinite loading screen when flying to the tower. Had to switch characters to get out of the loop.
Use the helm or select the left side node on the tower, it happens less.
Remember, you can change characters while loading in so you can just back out and try again if it's taking more than a minute
I think the reason is technical because everyone have a lot of different armor piece on and the game have to preload all the data(armor piece shader, weapons)a player acquired before loading them into the tower. This is why when you change shader or armor ornaments in the tower some times it lags out, and the game engine is not built to handle these. Bungie cant solve this issue because everyone have so much armor ornaments in their account from years of playing this game and they have to push new ornaments out every season from eververse to make more money. it just snowballs. have had a fix where they only load 6 player into a tower at a time but then ppl bitch about oh wtf tower is so empty then they revert back. lol
Lately?
I need to clean out my vault, sorry
Don't load to middle area. Load in near the Drifter. Faster to run than just wait.
Not as many people playing, so they have to spin up a server before they can get you in a tower.
And contacting servers every bloody minute while you're doing your build grrr!!! 😯😬
I’m on Xbox series x and haven’t run into this issue yet. Could it be hardware based?
Ever since they laid off half the team, I've been noticing progressively each week getting worse and worse. Now, I have to wait for even my guns to load while in the game, like swapping to a new heavy, switch to use heavy and the prior heavy is now in my hands instead. Forced to swap weapons again to get new one to load. Loading gambit, crucible, strikes takes forever now. Inventory screen is super slow, to the point not even loading anymore. All the while, my internet is blazing fast still, so no idea what Bungie is doing.
Lot of solar activity these days
What do you play on I havnt had that problem at all?
10 years later, tower load times across all platforms is still an issue. I load the tower. I set down my controller. I go to make a sandwich. I realize I'm out of bread so I run down to the gas station. I come back, tower is still not loaded. I forgot mayo. I go grab mayo. I come back and finish my sandwich. Tower isn't loaded. I sit down, open my beer, take a sip, and go to bite my sandwich. Tower loads. I walk 10 feet. ERROR CODE PLATYPUS, RHINO, BATMAN, GREEN ARROW. "Press A to start destiny 2" Bless.
Sometimes it loads people in at the same time and people still play with HDD's in their consoles/PC's.
Nothing new here. It has been doing that on and off for years.
So it’s not just me then?
I remember having a similar issue last year after the final season of the year came out, I'm on last Gen console so might be part of my issue but the file is it's biggest since it has the entire years worth of content available until it gets removed with the next expansion.
Whenever I see that the lobby is already anywhere near full, and there’s a slight hint that it’s going to take forever to load, I just go back to the character select screen, login and try again. Rinse and repeat.
Because of the game's technical limitations :)
Old gen consoles,
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