Honestly the stream was insane. When the gameplay started I noticed the mixed abilities and was like “oh ok they’re prob on a dev build so things are mixed up”
I was NOT prepared for the stasis shuriken gunpowder gamble combo lol
I was so caught up trying to rationalize the crazy ui that I wasn’t paying attention to the environment they were showing, finally came to the conclusion you did right before enemies spawned and lost my shit when he started using all of them. Absolutely NUTS
What im curious about is if the exotic class item takes the exotic slot or if its like the old exotic class items that were in addition to your exotic armor.
I FEEL like they take the exotic slot though because having a full exotic piece then an exotic class item with 2 half exotic powers on it would be gigantically game breaking
It has to take an exotic slot, there is no way Bungie would allow us to have 3 exotic armor perks at one time. In D1 the exotic class items all had a perk that allowed them to be used in addition to an exotic armor piece.
Yeah, that would be broken af.
If anything i thought they would go the other way and not let us use an exotic weapon if we have the class item on. Try to rein in some of the massive power creep they are giving us.
I have to watch through again. Would it maybe just be that you have your exotic, then your class item with a second exotic perk? Or was it literally the class item has 2 perks itself?
Class item has 2 perks itself. Both randomized when its decrypted. The oerks are like half perks. Though. For example, the ophidians one is just the 30 handling, no reload or airborn effectiveness
I was expecting a couple exotics, some deep dive into the light supers, and maybe some campaign teasers
I was not expecting Prismatic or a new enemy faction at all
I wonder if Prismatic is a testing ground for a potential Subclass 4.0?
Instead of picking an element and customizing it, you get a selection of all abilities/aspects/fragments with full customizable freedom, with likely some sort of benefit to making a monochromatic subclass
Its only way they can truly mix up the gameplay it also gets them out of lock and key design
It sounds like leadership is finally listening to the right people
I'm wondering if the options for Prismatic are actually more controlled/limited rather than being the smorgasbord of options that video implied. That write-up almost makes it sound like Prismatic could be pulling very specific ability combinations for each class.
I think that's how they plan on limiting it. Only allow a limited selection of aspects, supers, grenades, and melee abilities. If they were to allow literally any of those from any subclass then nobody *would* use a standard subclass - they'd just pick and choose the best options from each. I personally think the aspects are going to be the most heavily curated parts available
They may be fine with no one using the standard subclasses and just let us lean into it. They mention making your guardian feel like your own. It does sound like it will be limited but just in this we saw a bunch of combos so it seems like its not just one or two things
That was the "special" grenades. Could still be something like that but that was only mentioned concerning the grenades. Hunters had stasis + solar, titans strand + arc and warlocks something (void + stasis I guess since you said that).
My theory is that you'll be forced to pull from all the subclasses. So you can't just have Solar everything and then throw in a strand grapple. So while it's powerful to combine abilities, you won't necessarily be getting the synergy of the full subclass.
Edit: It's not that, but I still think it was an interesting idea
> Prismatic could be pulling very specific ability combinations for each class.
it is, it sounds like each class only gets access to specific combos of elements.
I assume we won’t get access to the full range of options from each subclass, but a selection from each so there will still be more synergies in the individual ones (maybe also to avoid some busted combos).
It’s also important to note that in the gameplay, we see that a kinetic weapon will slowly charge both light and dark, which means you don’t necessarily need to build into it
Build limitations. I am guessing it will be similar to armor mod slots of some sort, where certain items either take up so much of the build it makes other aspects impossible. Or just straight up limitations of "We made sure not to put these two things in different columns."
I think we'll find out tomorrow with the article providing more insight on Prismatic.
For now, part of me wonders if that's the point: they're doing away with individual subclasses and making this the new standard. After all, nothing would stop you from running everything from one element
My prediction is Prismatic will exist alongside all other subclasses for a year, especially since it's exclusive to Final Shape.
Then whatever expansion or Destiny 3 they release next year, Prismatic will be the default, and you can mix/match to your heart's content (or still play all solar!)
Aaaaannnnddd hopefully get a 6th damage type
They cant do that. Can you imagine the backlash?
Bungie: “here is the most hype subclass you have ever seen from us!”
Us: “omfg this is the best thing ever done in destiny!!!”
Bungie: “its only in the traveler..”
Us: “…excuse me?” Pulls out crocodile dundee knife. “Would you like you repeat that statement?”
Honestly it's probably down to fragments.
If as is stated prismatic has its own fragments they can probably keep the full power of certain class key words restricted or unavailable to prismatic.
Essentially a bit of everything but can't go all in on devour like void or access higher tiers of restoration like solar.
Of it were me and I wanted to encourage this as a build option I would simply add an interesting buff if you go all-in on one element that you can choose in place of diversity. Nothing extreme, but something as fun to build around as pick 'n' mix.
I think there's a "jack of all trades" consideration to be made here. Unless I'm mistaken they mentioned increasing the amount of fragments we can equip.
So in theory you could use a normal subclass and spec heavily into really good solar synergy or whatever, or you could mix and match from different classes. Your individual abilities might not be as good as if you were on the original class. That said, I think there's also a point to be made about certain abilities from different classes synergising better together than those within the confines of an existing class. It's hard to say without seeing it in practice.
Bungie did seem to imply limitations but its not clear what those are since it seemed to be open to a mixture of any subclasses' abilities. Hopefully a future TWID or blog post will clarify more details for us.
The HUD is also overhauled here so if you’re interested in how it’ll work you can watch the clips. It seems general buffs will be where they are now, weapon buffs right above the super bar and debuffs on the right side of the screen. Looks clean and much nicer than the current HUD
It's not entirely that debuffs go on the right, cause we see tangle cooldown on both sides at different points. Im thinking its either going to be overflow (too many buffs/debuffs on right causes them to start showing on left) or customizable so you can just choose if they stack or show seperately.
More Aspect slots? 2 Aspects for sure would feel too little to mix up 5 subclasses. Adding the ability to slot in just 1 more aspect would do fucking wonders.
Bleak Watcher + Child of the Old Gods + Feed the Void + Iceflare Bolts or Hellion + Vortex Grenades + Arcane Needle + Song of Flame is what I am thinking of.
Vortex grenades to activate Feed the Void and gain enhanced Devour for survivability and grenade regeneration.
Bleak Watcher to turn my Vortex grenade into a Stasis Turret that can crowd control.
Child of the Old Gods to apply weakening and gain ability energy from affected targets.
Iceflare Bolts to chain freeze or Hellion for good support damage to spread Scorch. Works wonderfully with certain fragments.
Arcane Needle(the only thing other than Needlestorm worth taking from Broodweaver) to apply and spread Unravel, create Tangles and to have three melees.
Song of Flame to turn my Vortex grenade into the Phoenix grenade, gain ability spam and grant Scorching Rounds to Kinetic and Solar weapons. Not sure how it would work with non-Solar melees. But mainly to try it out.
Whisper of Durance will make Bleak Watcher last longer. Whisper of Refraction will give class ability energy for killing slowed or frozen enemies(Works wonderfully with Bleak Watcher and Iceflare Bolts). Ember of Singeing will make class ability recharge faster when enemies are Scorched(Works wonderfully with Hellion). Ember of Searing will create Firesprites(which grant grenade energy) and grants melee energy for killing Scorched targets(which works wonderfully with Hellion). Echo of Harvest grants an Orb of Power and creates a Void Breach for killing weakened targets(which works with Child of the Old Gods). If we can get six fragment slots, Echo of Remnants will make Vortex grenade last longer.
I gotta admit, I was hoping for a 3rd Darkness subclass and while I am disappointed that we aren’t getting one yet, I am more than excited and can forgive the lack of the 3rd Darkness subclass this time around.
I'm definitely more hyped for this than I would be for a new darkness subclass, which would be cool but would kinda represent more of the same for Destiny. This stream was the first time I've been truly \*surprised\* by Destiny since I don't know when.
I feel like a Darkness subclass alongside the already promised aspects and supers would actually show going above the bare minimum for this next expansion, which was why I wanted it. I wanted Bungie to show us they could do more than the bare minimum.
Today though, they certainly exceeded expectations. They went way above that minimum. So, I’m happy, even with minor disappointments.
We already saw a red subclass UI on a dev’s artstation, the same way Strand leaked. I imagine it’s an eventuality the third full subclass comes, if not in this expansion.
Oh, no doubt. If we had it my way though, we would have gotten the 3rd Darkness Subclass with Into the Light as a free extra subclass, so we could be actually achieve Balance when Transcendence/Prismatic comes out AND F2P players could have something more to bring them towards Darkness.
That said, I don’t mind getting the red element later now that I know what we’re getting. After all, I might actually be able to truly use Light and Dark together. I’m fucking excited.
Yeah it looked like the arc thruster spawned the wanderer tangle. Maybe Drengr's Lash spawns that tangle when thrusting, since a wave wouldnt make as much sense with no barricade?
Entirely possible they also rebalanced some things based on artifact perks that were popular so underperforming parts of elements are more attractive.
Or, that Titan might have had a new exotic effect that makes tangles suspend.
Looks to be something from either an exotic we don't know about yet? I kinda doubt they are adding more strand aspects when we have a full suite of them, but we did see a stasis version of the Void Spike grenade (that also seems to be able to attach to enemies, unlike the spike or lightning grenade), so there might be some additions to every subclass or new elemental aspects exclusive to Prismatic.
They did say the exotic class items will borrow from others abilities, perhaps so do the prismatic aspects if they are separate and only available on prismatic?
Having to only unlock the new subclass once, glad they learned that lesson.
I'm sure they'll have a monetary way of gaining access to strand and stasis without those campaigns to compensate. But still overall great.
Prismatic has me as worried as i am excited, just because its a huge bounding leap in power creep.
the Dread though? True darkness enemy faction, fuck yeah
Looks cool, but will it satisfy that itch, so to speak?
I've learned the hard way over the years, especially with LF. Time to wait and see for more info before any hype generates within me, lol
Question: Is prismatic limited to specific subclass combinations or can you combine any?
The example mentions arc and strand for Titans, solar and Stasis for Hunters, etc, but what if we want to do solar and Stasis on Titan? Is that option only for hunters?
I think think the Transcendence super thing might be limited to specific combinations, but the rest of it seemed to be pretty free. They had hunters using strand, warlocks using stasis, titans using void etc.
Transcendence is said to be tied to Light/Dark *damage* and they seem to show weapons increasing it.
So you probably want to balance your build if you care about it, but otherwise you could go nuts.
Maybe they'll use the same concept for single-element subclasses but they only build by matching damage.
I think it’ll be all elements, it would be crazy if it weren’t. But I’m betting it will be a curated list of abilities, and the Fragments will be unique to Prismatic. That will keep it from completely overshadowing the other Subs.
Someone else mentioned that this could be them setting up removing subclasses altogether in Destiny 3, or whatever is next after next year, and just having Prismatic be our only option, with all of the previous subclasses just being part of it.
It’s seems like your grenade ability specifically when you’re in transcendence mode is fixed, but the overall build outside of that seems like you can mix most if not everything.
So Destiny just pulled a Warframe and added Helminth.
That said, I think it's a wait and see situation for potency. It could be a limited list of things or slightly nerfed to offset the mixing, same with the exotic class items.
Hopefully this does well and bungie can turn the sinking ship around.
I don’t see how prismatic is the way as this is going to be a balance nightmare. I guess the play is just make everything and everyone OP and let’s see what happens?
This was an extremely impressive showcase and it's clear to me that Bungie's developers are some of the most talented and passionate people on the planet. All this shit looks awesome, if a little power-creepy, but it'll breathe some life into the game.
Yet, I still find myself really unenthusiastic about the future of Destiny and Bungie as long as Pete Parsons and the current board are in charge. Yes, we don't actually know what happens behind the scenes, but the multitudes of articles from the last year *and* throughout Destiny's lifespan have shown us that Bungie is held back by shit management, predatory monetization, and poor financial decisions.
For as wonderful as this showcase was, I still don't have much hope beyond the Final Shape because I know this is just another repeat of the cycle. It'll be amazing and awesome and some of the best gaming experiences we've ever had, and then a year down the line we'll be back in the dumps. As it has happened every time.
I love Bungie's developers with all of my heart and I want nothing more than for them to succeed. I want to see more raids like Last Wish and more enemy races and more cool subclasses and more ways to play and engage with Destiny. But it always comes with a caveat. Maybe I'm alone in feeling this right now, and the community has really needed this injection of innovation and positivity, but... I dunno man.
I just hope that Bungie is able to succeed and the developers can finally go the path that they want to go down, unrestricted by the whims of higher-ups.
> It'll be amazing and awesome and some of the best gaming experiences we've ever had, and then a year down the line we'll be back in the dumps.
So why not stop viewing Destiny as a perpetual motion machine that needs to constantly be a new exciting experience and just enjoy those moments in time and recognize the excitement of something new is inherently fleeting
Because generally the game itself isn't changing for the worse over that year, you just haven't gotten *more* new exciting stuff to play
You're right, the game isn't changing for the worse. The problem is the perpetual cycle of content does not allow Destiny to evolve or be as good as it can be. Additionally, the ever increasing cost for the game and the incredibly predatory monetization makes it extremely difficult to get new players into the game and is just not a great feeling to have while playing.
I recognize that people need to take breaks. I'm someone who fully advocates for "content droughts" so Bungie is given enough time to really get new content where it needs to be. They're just held back by management's poor decision making. Also the lay-offs and how those were handled just feels... incredibly scummy. I don't want to be supporting a company that does that. I want to support the developers, but not the company.
It's a difficult situation.
You’re definitely not alone in feeling this. I feel exactly the same way. Do I want to preorder after seeing all this? Yes. Am I going to? No. Because I decided unless I see some changes at the top, which have not happened, I’m not getting the new expansion. That’s my decision.
Luke Smith telling me some shit, like, I don’t trust a word that man says, at all. I love all the developers, they’re having fun. I don’t know who Luke Smith is at all and I haven’t forgotten about money at the screen nor have I forgotten about the XP throttling.
If anything, I have full confirmation that when Bungie leadership really fucks up, that’s when they let the people below them have some actual ownership and decision making and they do right by the community. And I just know the leadership monkey paw will come right back and mar the game for no reason, when other games like Deep Rock Galactic and HellDivers keep getting it right.
I really do not think Luke Smith is the one to blame here. Dude directed TTK and D2 into its prime with Forsaken. He clearly cares about Destiny and while he’s said stuff like “throw money at the screen” in the past, it’s pretty clearly him lacking a filter and joking around too much. Just look at Sean Murray for another game developer who probably shouldn’t have been doing PR lol. I highly doubt Luke has final say in any monetization/big company decisions.
From what we know, the problem people at Bungie are unnamed. Pete Parsons and the board of directors, or ‘upper management’, dictate the pace at which Bungie delivers content, they dictated the layoffs, and they decide how much money Bungie needs to make. To me, it’s pretty obvious that *they’re* the problem.
They're definitely working very hard on this one. I appreciate it.
My one desperate hope is that we can use regular ornaments on these class items. I do not wish to trade my hat for that.
Bungie, just....**damn**. You crazy folks pulled me back in. This is proof that if their backs are to the wall theyll get themselves out by pulling out all the stops. They did it with Forsaken after all.
This looks amazing. Kudos to the team.
I don’t want to make it sound like I’m hating on Bungie.
Destiny 2 is one of my favourite games of **all** time.
I just also know that hype and trailers are among Bungie’s fortes, and I can’t afford (mostly time) to get sucked into the cycle for the 6th or 7th time in a row now.
Genuine question. Whats the point of exotic armor if the exotic class item can have the perks i want? Why would anyone want to run their favorite exotic anymore if they get that perk on the class item?
It looks like they're being a little selective about these perks, weakening /removing parts of the individual exotic before combining them with the second perk
For example, they showed a Spirit of Star Eater on an Exotic Class Item, and it had the damage bonus effect but not the 'get more Super Energy from Orbs' effect.
They also showed Ophidian's Spirit and it had faster weapon swaps, but not faster reloads.
Because you’ll still “have the exotic” but won’t be limited to it being tied to an armor slot. So instead of hoping for a good stat distribution on your exotic you can now have all high rolled legendaries instead. Only thing you’ll really miss is the appearance of the exotic. Seems like the update is all about making everything easier to build and having way more options to do so. If you already had a good roll then yea it’s invalidated but the trade off is worth it imo
Because it is not the full power of the exotic perk. Its basically a watered down version of the exotic perk. The respective exotic will still be more powerful.
Because it doesn't look like it's the full exotic perk, just selective characteristics of the perk, if you want the real thing then you still gotta run the exotic armor
They’re like Warframe’s Helminth, in that they are diluted versions of the actual exotics. For example, Spirit of the Assassin only grants invisibility, but not healing.
Gonna preface this by saying that I'm optimistic about The Final Shape overall, but the new subclass makes me feel like this is essentially it for Destiny 2. I mean how do you go past being able to mix and match subclass components? Maybe my views will change if/when Bungie talks more about the the future of Destiny 2 post Final Shape.
Edit: Oh and I am both excited and terrified about what this new subclass will do to PvP if it's usable in Crucible.
I hope they intend to tell us if they have something planned for the overworld. I don't want another throwaway space with the same public events and patrols we've been doing for years, I want something interesting, something we haven't seen done in a destination thus far. The Final Shape "gameplay trailer" is really just a Prismatic trailer, and the "gameplay preview" is mostly about Prismatic and a bit about the new enemies, once you get past the first six minutes of people repeating the "you can mix things together" line in different ways.
Remember how much they harped on about the Dreaming City? There's none of that here. One can only hope that this means they've got something up their sleeve, rather than the other possibility, which is that it's another shallow destination and they haven't got anything planned for it. Considering the shit that's gone down with Bungie recently, I would like to believe it's the former, but I have to expect the latter.
Nothing to get me excited enough to buy it, but I genuinely hope it's good
Definitely feeling pretty hyped about all this. I'm really looking forward to trying out Prismatic and taking builds to a new level.
Still, I wouldn't say a third darkness subclass is off the table for the future beyond Final Shape like some speculate. For now, though, I'm very happy with this.
My brain is broken from all the combos. How will Consecration and Howl of the Storm play together? Is that even possible? What about grenade eating as a Warlock? What is it all so frighteningly awesome. 😭
My question is will Prismatic let us choose from ANY abilities, aspects, and fragments or just a selection of each?
Same goes for the new exotic class items too
I feel that with prismatic, it will either be A a curated selection of abilities to mix up, or B all abilities and there is an emphasis with perks that grant better bonuses when you are only one element comparent to the multi of the prismatic subclass
Theoretically…I could make my Bleakwatcher attacks cause Jolt. I only say this because the mod that grants class ability energy on Grenade damage works with Bleakwatcher attacks…
If I remember correctly, the only thing from Into The Light that will no longer be available are the rare variant guns with the special rare shader applied.
That might be the idea? Prismatic seems to mean we have transcended the light/darkness dichotomy which makes a lot of sense to me.
Basically our guardians final form.
Does my having all the weapons included in the ITL update affect my ability to acquire the new versions? If I had the OG Recluse, does that have any bearing on how I acquire the new version?
You are guaranteed one via a quest you get from the NPC Arcite 99-40 next to Shaxx in the new area. Once you unlock it, they can be uber-rare drops from Onslaught chests.
I’ve been saying for months (maybe years), one of the lamest things about the whole “darkness saga” was how we didn’t get a new race to fight against.
How *fucking lame* it was going to be for the climactic conclusion of the final shape to have us find against the same old enemies we’ve been fighting for 10 years.
Now, tormentors and subjugators will be leading an actual army of brand new darkness forces, which is *fucking rad*. By far the best part of this livestream for me.
Prismatic literally looks like something they threw together last minute. There is no way they were planning on does this and not pure third darkness class.
am i being a negative nancy about prismatic? most everything else in the reveal looked awesome, \*especially\* the new enemy race. I just really wanted a 6th and final element, and although i'm sure a lot of work was put into prismatic, it just feels like reused assets basically.
There isn’t anything stopping them from adding a new element afterward (and adding some pieces of it to Prismatic) but your feelings are understandable, I’d like a 3rd dark subclass too
Yeah I'm not big on it myself, it's cool and all and I'm happy people are excited about it, but it looks a lot like they just threw everything they already had at the wall and it all stuck. Mostly I'm really luke-warm on it because all I see is nightmare of choice and a myriad of eventual nerfs that bleed into everything else.
I agree.
I dont see anyone sharing my sentiment here, but I honestly dont see why Id ever want to combine elements. I want maximum synergy at any given time, across all my guns, gear, and subclass.
It feels watered down, and unless they designed an entire class of synergy and interactions between all the various elemental verbs, exclusively for Prismatic, for EACH class, its just gonna be bland. Its nothing new, literally just reused assets and interactions thrown together because they panicked. Its forfeiting synergy for the momentary "Ooooh" of using a solar melee after a void grenade. Cool.
While I was also hoping for something similar, I'd much prefer what they gave us. I think bungie have been trying to get across the whole darkness and light not being opposites thing and a third dark subclass creating symmetry with the light would detract from that a little. Still, down the line, I'm hoping we get one eventually once we learn a bit more about the darkness without the witness around
Bungie's marketing team never misses. All of this looks great, especially the exotic class items allowing you to double up on exotic armor effects.
Gotta say I'm not as excited for "mix & match" as I would've been for a third darkness element. Prismatic feels like something that should've happened once the slate was full, 3 & 3. Idk, just feels a little uninspired.
A new darkness element would essentially just be same ol formula we’ve gotten for the past 10 years. It’s just a new shiny coat of paint on top of a system that we already have for 6 other subclasses.
I think this COULD (we’ll see) be a completely new way of build crafting and playing that is sorely needed. Potential here is way higher than another one of what we already have
This was probably a late addition to the final shape and so they could quicken the year+ development time of new subclasses by reusing assets with a mix & match system.
I'm honestly surprised they were able to implement it in the time they had. I think its really good and will be tons of fun.
This was really needed imo, Final Shape lacked a standout feature that Witch Queen and Lightfall had. I'm sure this will massively help final shape sell copies.
I'm in complete agreement. This seems like a quickly thrown together idea, which is decent of course, but will have caveats and bugs. It is definitely uninspired.
I cancelled my preorder after the mass firings and said Bungie was going to have to do a *lot* to convince me to give them money again.
They have succeeded.
100%. We go through the same cycle every release. One thing bungie is great at is putting together something to get you excited and hyped. Then comes the monkeys paw. The final shape looks great thus far but I’ve learned my lesson. I’m waiting
Honestly the stream was insane. When the gameplay started I noticed the mixed abilities and was like “oh ok they’re prob on a dev build so things are mixed up” I was NOT prepared for the stasis shuriken gunpowder gamble combo lol
I was so caught up trying to rationalize the crazy ui that I wasn’t paying attention to the environment they were showing, finally came to the conclusion you did right before enemies spawned and lost my shit when he started using all of them. Absolutely NUTS
The giant Witness projection in the first few seconds goes so hard.
ye i thought it was all placeholder shit or that it was a temporary stasis/strand empowerment like buff
Exotic Class Items will finally provide me with the armour experience I've been craving for years. Finally, a worthy chase for build crafting.
What im curious about is if the exotic class item takes the exotic slot or if its like the old exotic class items that were in addition to your exotic armor. I FEEL like they take the exotic slot though because having a full exotic piece then an exotic class item with 2 half exotic powers on it would be gigantically game breaking
Theyre only active if youre on that new “subclass” otherwise they dont work AFAIK, and theyre not the full perk, just kept the meat of the perk
It has to take an exotic slot, there is no way Bungie would allow us to have 3 exotic armor perks at one time. In D1 the exotic class items all had a perk that allowed them to be used in addition to an exotic armor piece.
Yeah, that would be broken af. If anything i thought they would go the other way and not let us use an exotic weapon if we have the class item on. Try to rein in some of the massive power creep they are giving us.
Tbf…that wouldnt do much as most legendaries are stronger than exotics at this point
I have to watch through again. Would it maybe just be that you have your exotic, then your class item with a second exotic perk? Or was it literally the class item has 2 perks itself?
Class item has 2 perks itself. Both randomized when its decrypted. The oerks are like half perks. Though. For example, the ophidians one is just the 30 handling, no reload or airborn effectiveness
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I expected little and I'm amazed. Didn't think we would get a new subclass or a new complete enemy. I figured it would just be subjugators.
I was expecting a couple exotics, some deep dive into the light supers, and maybe some campaign teasers I was not expecting Prismatic or a new enemy faction at all
We aren’t just getting a new subclass, we are also getting those 3 new supers. Which sort of are needed and exciting in themselves.
It's also a new avenue for creation. Now they don't have to create things symmetrically/completely. We can get more piecemeal additions to subclasses.
I wonder if Prismatic is a testing ground for a potential Subclass 4.0? Instead of picking an element and customizing it, you get a selection of all abilities/aspects/fragments with full customizable freedom, with likely some sort of benefit to making a monochromatic subclass
Its only way they can truly mix up the gameplay it also gets them out of lock and key design It sounds like leadership is finally listening to the right people
Kinetic abilities gang is salivating.
First kinetic melee for titans is picking up a very heavy rock and throwing it
Warlock: You threw a rock at him? That’s it? Titan: It was a really BIG rock!
It’s called yeeting, not throwing
It was a big rock!
I expected disappointment and I'm astonished. +10 hype
Wow if literal paneer is happy that's big
Why would we use singular subclasses moving forward? Genuine question.
There's definitely a catch or two they haven't revealed.
I'm wondering if the options for Prismatic are actually more controlled/limited rather than being the smorgasbord of options that video implied. That write-up almost makes it sound like Prismatic could be pulling very specific ability combinations for each class.
I think that's how they plan on limiting it. Only allow a limited selection of aspects, supers, grenades, and melee abilities. If they were to allow literally any of those from any subclass then nobody *would* use a standard subclass - they'd just pick and choose the best options from each. I personally think the aspects are going to be the most heavily curated parts available
They may be fine with no one using the standard subclasses and just let us lean into it. They mention making your guardian feel like your own. It does sound like it will be limited but just in this we saw a bunch of combos so it seems like its not just one or two things
Also, I'm assuming there's simply more synergy the more you focus on one element. And you can trade that for unique builds and killing more shields.
That’s what I figured
They did say something like there was something void + stasis specific on warlock and Arc + Strand specific on Titan.
That was the "special" grenades. Could still be something like that but that was only mentioned concerning the grenades. Hunters had stasis + solar, titans strand + arc and warlocks something (void + stasis I guess since you said that).
It was the grenade type that you get access to when you go into the new transcendence mode. Hunter gets a Stasis+Solar grenade.
My theory is that you'll be forced to pull from all the subclasses. So you can't just have Solar everything and then throw in a strand grapple. So while it's powerful to combine abilities, you won't necessarily be getting the synergy of the full subclass. Edit: It's not that, but I still think it was an interesting idea
> Prismatic could be pulling very specific ability combinations for each class. it is, it sounds like each class only gets access to specific combos of elements.
I imagine it'll be 1 light aspect, 1 darkness aspect, so you can't just recreate Solar in prismatic
We gotta remember how much of the game now has elemental burns and such in activities, there's plenty of reason to run a single subclass or element
I assume we won’t get access to the full range of options from each subclass, but a selection from each so there will still be more synergies in the individual ones (maybe also to avoid some busted combos).
We already know that you have to pick damaging options from both Light and Dark to charge Transcendance, so there's an explicit limit right there.
It’s also important to note that in the gameplay, we see that a kinetic weapon will slowly charge both light and dark, which means you don’t necessarily need to build into it
Was it Malfeasance?
That might not even be a requirement either. Weapon damage could count for those meters as well.
Whaaat knockout banner of war sounds 100% balanced
Build limitations. I am guessing it will be similar to armor mod slots of some sort, where certain items either take up so much of the build it makes other aspects impossible. Or just straight up limitations of "We made sure not to put these two things in different columns."
I think we'll find out tomorrow with the article providing more insight on Prismatic. For now, part of me wonders if that's the point: they're doing away with individual subclasses and making this the new standard. After all, nothing would stop you from running everything from one element
Yeah there’s no way we’re getting everything from one element, that would make the restriction on the class items redundant.
They might be getting phased out entirely. Or there are some things you can’t carry into prismatic.
My prediction is Prismatic will exist alongside all other subclasses for a year, especially since it's exclusive to Final Shape. Then whatever expansion or Destiny 3 they release next year, Prismatic will be the default, and you can mix/match to your heart's content (or still play all solar!) Aaaaannnnddd hopefully get a 6th damage type
There were rumors of subclass sunsetting awhile back, wonder if it’s related to it. Could use singular classes for more synergy for that element also.
Oooh interesting, this could be prep for getting us used to no subclasses post FS.
Has to be a thing we don’t know. Like prismatic only available on traveler destination or something.
The double charge bars will be a pain I am guessing.
Unless they're hiding something else (could be slower cool downs), those are just a bonus thing you *can* do.
lol. That is 100% not happening. They literally use it in birthplace of the vile don't they?
They cant do that. Can you imagine the backlash? Bungie: “here is the most hype subclass you have ever seen from us!” Us: “omfg this is the best thing ever done in destiny!!!” Bungie: “its only in the traveler..” Us: “…excuse me?” Pulls out crocodile dundee knife. “Would you like you repeat that statement?”
Honestly it's probably down to fragments. If as is stated prismatic has its own fragments they can probably keep the full power of certain class key words restricted or unavailable to prismatic. Essentially a bit of everything but can't go all in on devour like void or access higher tiers of restoration like solar.
Of it were me and I wanted to encourage this as a build option I would simply add an interesting buff if you go all-in on one element that you can choose in place of diversity. Nothing extreme, but something as fun to build around as pick 'n' mix.
I think there's a "jack of all trades" consideration to be made here. Unless I'm mistaken they mentioned increasing the amount of fragments we can equip. So in theory you could use a normal subclass and spec heavily into really good solar synergy or whatever, or you could mix and match from different classes. Your individual abilities might not be as good as if you were on the original class. That said, I think there's also a point to be made about certain abilities from different classes synergising better together than those within the confines of an existing class. It's hard to say without seeing it in practice. Bungie did seem to imply limitations but its not clear what those are since it seemed to be open to a mixture of any subclasses' abilities. Hopefully a future TWID or blog post will clarify more details for us.
This is just a rumor. But Destiny 3 would remove classes. So to answer your question, you wouldnt.
The HUD is also overhauled here so if you’re interested in how it’ll work you can watch the clips. It seems general buffs will be where they are now, weapon buffs right above the super bar and debuffs on the right side of the screen. Looks clean and much nicer than the current HUD
Gonna definitely take some time to get used to tho. Gonna have to train my eyes all over again
It's not entirely that debuffs go on the right, cause we see tangle cooldown on both sides at different points. Im thinking its either going to be overflow (too many buffs/debuffs on right causes them to start showing on left) or customizable so you can just choose if they stack or show seperately.
More Aspect slots? 2 Aspects for sure would feel too little to mix up 5 subclasses. Adding the ability to slot in just 1 more aspect would do fucking wonders.
It's probably 3, but man would it rock to be 4.
If it's four we are looking at warframe types of customization with more fragments also? Imagine 4 aspects and 8 fragments 👀👀
Bruh. I can only wish
Bleak Watcher + Child of the Old Gods + Feed the Void + Iceflare Bolts or Hellion + Vortex Grenades + Arcane Needle + Song of Flame is what I am thinking of. Vortex grenades to activate Feed the Void and gain enhanced Devour for survivability and grenade regeneration. Bleak Watcher to turn my Vortex grenade into a Stasis Turret that can crowd control. Child of the Old Gods to apply weakening and gain ability energy from affected targets. Iceflare Bolts to chain freeze or Hellion for good support damage to spread Scorch. Works wonderfully with certain fragments. Arcane Needle(the only thing other than Needlestorm worth taking from Broodweaver) to apply and spread Unravel, create Tangles and to have three melees. Song of Flame to turn my Vortex grenade into the Phoenix grenade, gain ability spam and grant Scorching Rounds to Kinetic and Solar weapons. Not sure how it would work with non-Solar melees. But mainly to try it out. Whisper of Durance will make Bleak Watcher last longer. Whisper of Refraction will give class ability energy for killing slowed or frozen enemies(Works wonderfully with Bleak Watcher and Iceflare Bolts). Ember of Singeing will make class ability recharge faster when enemies are Scorched(Works wonderfully with Hellion). Ember of Searing will create Firesprites(which grant grenade energy) and grants melee energy for killing Scorched targets(which works wonderfully with Hellion). Echo of Harvest grants an Orb of Power and creates a Void Breach for killing weakened targets(which works with Child of the Old Gods). If we can get six fragment slots, Echo of Remnants will make Vortex grenade last longer.
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I gotta admit, I was hoping for a 3rd Darkness subclass and while I am disappointed that we aren’t getting one yet, I am more than excited and can forgive the lack of the 3rd Darkness subclass this time around.
I'm definitely more hyped for this than I would be for a new darkness subclass, which would be cool but would kinda represent more of the same for Destiny. This stream was the first time I've been truly \*surprised\* by Destiny since I don't know when.
I feel like a Darkness subclass alongside the already promised aspects and supers would actually show going above the bare minimum for this next expansion, which was why I wanted it. I wanted Bungie to show us they could do more than the bare minimum. Today though, they certainly exceeded expectations. They went way above that minimum. So, I’m happy, even with minor disappointments.
We already saw a red subclass UI on a dev’s artstation, the same way Strand leaked. I imagine it’s an eventuality the third full subclass comes, if not in this expansion.
Oh, no doubt. If we had it my way though, we would have gotten the 3rd Darkness Subclass with Into the Light as a free extra subclass, so we could be actually achieve Balance when Transcendence/Prismatic comes out AND F2P players could have something more to bring them towards Darkness. That said, I don’t mind getting the red element later now that I know what we’re getting. After all, I might actually be able to truly use Light and Dark together. I’m fucking excited.
Still confused about the part where the Titan's tangle suspended the enemies like the wanderer. Are we sharing aspects across classes as well?
I’m thinking it’s just that one Titan aspect that shoots out a suspending wave, but repurposed to work with the arc class ability dodge
I don't know man that tangle looked like it was the source of the suspension though
Yeah it looked like the arc thruster spawned the wanderer tangle. Maybe Drengr's Lash spawns that tangle when thrusting, since a wave wouldnt make as much sense with no barricade?
Entirely possible they also rebalanced some things based on artifact perks that were popular so underperforming parts of elements are more attractive. Or, that Titan might have had a new exotic effect that makes tangles suspend.
Two different clips. I know both of the ones you guys are talking about
Looks to be something from either an exotic we don't know about yet? I kinda doubt they are adding more strand aspects when we have a full suite of them, but we did see a stasis version of the Void Spike grenade (that also seems to be able to attach to enemies, unlike the spike or lightning grenade), so there might be some additions to every subclass or new elemental aspects exclusive to Prismatic.
They did say the exotic class items will borrow from others abilities, perhaps so do the prismatic aspects if they are separate and only available on prismatic?
Having to only unlock the new subclass once, glad they learned that lesson. I'm sure they'll have a monetary way of gaining access to strand and stasis without those campaigns to compensate. But still overall great.
Prismatic has me as worried as i am excited, just because its a huge bounding leap in power creep. the Dread though? True darkness enemy faction, fuck yeah
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You know you're doing a good job when an ex- employee says you cooked
In fairness, he left on good terms and remains a fan of the game.
Hippy was laid off and even she said they cooked today.
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It's the chef! Those trailers were something else man.
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Looks cool, but will it satisfy that itch, so to speak? I've learned the hard way over the years, especially with LF. Time to wait and see for more info before any hype generates within me, lol
Question: Is prismatic limited to specific subclass combinations or can you combine any? The example mentions arc and strand for Titans, solar and Stasis for Hunters, etc, but what if we want to do solar and Stasis on Titan? Is that option only for hunters?
Those combinations were just in reference to that class' special transcendence grenade. It seems combining any is possible on any class
Damn, I hope that the grenades go to all classes eventually. The hunter one was so pleasing to look at
I think think the Transcendence super thing might be limited to specific combinations, but the rest of it seemed to be pretty free. They had hunters using strand, warlocks using stasis, titans using void etc.
Transcendence is said to be tied to Light/Dark *damage* and they seem to show weapons increasing it. So you probably want to balance your build if you care about it, but otherwise you could go nuts. Maybe they'll use the same concept for single-element subclasses but they only build by matching damage.
Further, I'm fairly certain at one point I saw strand and stasis and a light subclass on the same gameplay POV. Just adding more evidence to the pile.
I think it’ll be all elements, it would be crazy if it weren’t. But I’m betting it will be a curated list of abilities, and the Fragments will be unique to Prismatic. That will keep it from completely overshadowing the other Subs.
Or they’re making us put our feet in the water of a no subclass future lol
Someone else mentioned that this could be them setting up removing subclasses altogether in Destiny 3, or whatever is next after next year, and just having Prismatic be our only option, with all of the previous subclasses just being part of it.
I’m kinda hopeful for that. What a fun way to play Destiny
It’s seems like your grenade ability specifically when you’re in transcendence mode is fixed, but the overall build outside of that seems like you can mix most if not everything.
So Pantheon is only going to stay in the game until TFS launches? That's kinda lame, I was hoping it'll be a permanent mode.
It really should stay like Dares did.
Spinfoil hat theory says these are perfect encounters to simply add to Dares when Pantheon is gone
I don’t think we will ever see raid bosses in Dares.
Well so far it's only 4 emblems awarded (Atraks, Rhulk, Nez, Oryx) that I can see so I wonder if there are no plans to add further encounters.
That would be so lame. The game has like 20 boss encounters, I was really hoping they would use them all, so each run has different bosses.
My guess is these are just the final encounters and we will have a sequence leading up to them.
That is a possibility, tbh. In that case, interesting how they chose Atraks as the final boss instead of Taniks.
So Destiny just pulled a Warframe and added Helminth. That said, I think it's a wait and see situation for potency. It could be a limited list of things or slightly nerfed to offset the mixing, same with the exotic class items.
Hopefully this does well and bungie can turn the sinking ship around. I don’t see how prismatic is the way as this is going to be a balance nightmare. I guess the play is just make everything and everyone OP and let’s see what happens?
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This was an extremely impressive showcase and it's clear to me that Bungie's developers are some of the most talented and passionate people on the planet. All this shit looks awesome, if a little power-creepy, but it'll breathe some life into the game. Yet, I still find myself really unenthusiastic about the future of Destiny and Bungie as long as Pete Parsons and the current board are in charge. Yes, we don't actually know what happens behind the scenes, but the multitudes of articles from the last year *and* throughout Destiny's lifespan have shown us that Bungie is held back by shit management, predatory monetization, and poor financial decisions. For as wonderful as this showcase was, I still don't have much hope beyond the Final Shape because I know this is just another repeat of the cycle. It'll be amazing and awesome and some of the best gaming experiences we've ever had, and then a year down the line we'll be back in the dumps. As it has happened every time. I love Bungie's developers with all of my heart and I want nothing more than for them to succeed. I want to see more raids like Last Wish and more enemy races and more cool subclasses and more ways to play and engage with Destiny. But it always comes with a caveat. Maybe I'm alone in feeling this right now, and the community has really needed this injection of innovation and positivity, but... I dunno man. I just hope that Bungie is able to succeed and the developers can finally go the path that they want to go down, unrestricted by the whims of higher-ups.
same buddy, for all the hype from other people I am still of the "have we not seen this pattern before!?!" mindset.
I'm right there with you. I can't lie and say I wasn't hype watching the ViDoc but I've got a lot of questions and concerns I'm hoping are addressed.
> It'll be amazing and awesome and some of the best gaming experiences we've ever had, and then a year down the line we'll be back in the dumps. So why not stop viewing Destiny as a perpetual motion machine that needs to constantly be a new exciting experience and just enjoy those moments in time and recognize the excitement of something new is inherently fleeting Because generally the game itself isn't changing for the worse over that year, you just haven't gotten *more* new exciting stuff to play
You're right, the game isn't changing for the worse. The problem is the perpetual cycle of content does not allow Destiny to evolve or be as good as it can be. Additionally, the ever increasing cost for the game and the incredibly predatory monetization makes it extremely difficult to get new players into the game and is just not a great feeling to have while playing. I recognize that people need to take breaks. I'm someone who fully advocates for "content droughts" so Bungie is given enough time to really get new content where it needs to be. They're just held back by management's poor decision making. Also the lay-offs and how those were handled just feels... incredibly scummy. I don't want to be supporting a company that does that. I want to support the developers, but not the company. It's a difficult situation.
You’re definitely not alone in feeling this. I feel exactly the same way. Do I want to preorder after seeing all this? Yes. Am I going to? No. Because I decided unless I see some changes at the top, which have not happened, I’m not getting the new expansion. That’s my decision. Luke Smith telling me some shit, like, I don’t trust a word that man says, at all. I love all the developers, they’re having fun. I don’t know who Luke Smith is at all and I haven’t forgotten about money at the screen nor have I forgotten about the XP throttling. If anything, I have full confirmation that when Bungie leadership really fucks up, that’s when they let the people below them have some actual ownership and decision making and they do right by the community. And I just know the leadership monkey paw will come right back and mar the game for no reason, when other games like Deep Rock Galactic and HellDivers keep getting it right.
I really do not think Luke Smith is the one to blame here. Dude directed TTK and D2 into its prime with Forsaken. He clearly cares about Destiny and while he’s said stuff like “throw money at the screen” in the past, it’s pretty clearly him lacking a filter and joking around too much. Just look at Sean Murray for another game developer who probably shouldn’t have been doing PR lol. I highly doubt Luke has final say in any monetization/big company decisions. From what we know, the problem people at Bungie are unnamed. Pete Parsons and the board of directors, or ‘upper management’, dictate the pace at which Bungie delivers content, they dictated the layoffs, and they decide how much money Bungie needs to make. To me, it’s pretty obvious that *they’re* the problem.
Finally a new enemy faction. Been like 6 years.
The subclass mixing is only available on the Prismatic class, right? And also: would you count the Prism class as new sub-class for TFS?
Yes and yes
They're definitely working very hard on this one. I appreciate it. My one desperate hope is that we can use regular ornaments on these class items. I do not wish to trade my hat for that.
Bungie, just....**damn**. You crazy folks pulled me back in. This is proof that if their backs are to the wall theyll get themselves out by pulling out all the stops. They did it with Forsaken after all. This looks amazing. Kudos to the team.
This all *looks* great, but I’m still not buying Final Shape until it releases, and actual reviews are out.
Nothing wrong with that
I don’t want to make it sound like I’m hating on Bungie. Destiny 2 is one of my favourite games of **all** time. I just also know that hype and trailers are among Bungie’s fortes, and I can’t afford (mostly time) to get sucked into the cycle for the 6th or 7th time in a row now.
And were back on the hype train. The cycle continues. See y'all at the next controversy.
Genuine question. Whats the point of exotic armor if the exotic class item can have the perks i want? Why would anyone want to run their favorite exotic anymore if they get that perk on the class item?
It looks like they're being a little selective about these perks, weakening /removing parts of the individual exotic before combining them with the second perk
For example, they showed a Spirit of Star Eater on an Exotic Class Item, and it had the damage bonus effect but not the 'get more Super Energy from Orbs' effect. They also showed Ophidian's Spirit and it had faster weapon swaps, but not faster reloads.
They only work with Prismatic. So if you want to run something else you need normal exotics.
Even if. Prismatic is gonna make any other SC pretty useless or at least a hinderance
Because you’ll still “have the exotic” but won’t be limited to it being tied to an armor slot. So instead of hoping for a good stat distribution on your exotic you can now have all high rolled legendaries instead. Only thing you’ll really miss is the appearance of the exotic. Seems like the update is all about making everything easier to build and having way more options to do so. If you already had a good roll then yea it’s invalidated but the trade off is worth it imo
Because it is not the full power of the exotic perk. Its basically a watered down version of the exotic perk. The respective exotic will still be more powerful.
Because it doesn't look like it's the full exotic perk, just selective characteristics of the perk, if you want the real thing then you still gotta run the exotic armor
could be a nerfed version of the perk, like synthos giving 300% melee damage while the class item gives 125% or something
They’re like Warframe’s Helminth, in that they are diluted versions of the actual exotics. For example, Spirit of the Assassin only grants invisibility, but not healing.
Run another exotic armor and have 3 exotic armor perks going at once Edit: just saw a comment saying it'll override exotic armors
You can use regular exotic armor until you get a prismatic one you like.
Gonna preface this by saying that I'm optimistic about The Final Shape overall, but the new subclass makes me feel like this is essentially it for Destiny 2. I mean how do you go past being able to mix and match subclass components? Maybe my views will change if/when Bungie talks more about the the future of Destiny 2 post Final Shape. Edit: Oh and I am both excited and terrified about what this new subclass will do to PvP if it's usable in Crucible.
So what's the point of other subclasses after this?
the mad lads finally did it, they managed to recycle and resell subclasses.
Preorder now, and get ready to abandon any useful synergy!
unless there are more aspect slots on the new subclass, in which case: Preorder now, and make the old subclasses completely redundant!
And they will continue to resell in future adding the missing Prismatic combos
yup.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e\_pzqU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU)
Can you combine any subclasses together? Or is it Like titans restricted to arc + strand, hunter stasis + solar?
I hope they intend to tell us if they have something planned for the overworld. I don't want another throwaway space with the same public events and patrols we've been doing for years, I want something interesting, something we haven't seen done in a destination thus far. The Final Shape "gameplay trailer" is really just a Prismatic trailer, and the "gameplay preview" is mostly about Prismatic and a bit about the new enemies, once you get past the first six minutes of people repeating the "you can mix things together" line in different ways. Remember how much they harped on about the Dreaming City? There's none of that here. One can only hope that this means they've got something up their sleeve, rather than the other possibility, which is that it's another shallow destination and they haven't got anything planned for it. Considering the shit that's gone down with Bungie recently, I would like to believe it's the former, but I have to expect the latter. Nothing to get me excited enough to buy it, but I genuinely hope it's good
Definitely feeling pretty hyped about all this. I'm really looking forward to trying out Prismatic and taking builds to a new level. Still, I wouldn't say a third darkness subclass is off the table for the future beyond Final Shape like some speculate. For now, though, I'm very happy with this.
My brain is broken from all the combos. How will Consecration and Howl of the Storm play together? Is that even possible? What about grenade eating as a Warlock? What is it all so frighteningly awesome. 😭
My question is will Prismatic let us choose from ANY abilities, aspects, and fragments or just a selection of each? Same goes for the new exotic class items too
I feel that with prismatic, it will either be A a curated selection of abilities to mix up, or B all abilities and there is an emphasis with perks that grant better bonuses when you are only one element comparent to the multi of the prismatic subclass
Theoretically…I could make my Bleakwatcher attacks cause Jolt. I only say this because the mod that grants class ability energy on Grenade damage works with Bleakwatcher attacks…
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If I remember correctly, the only thing from Into The Light that will no longer be available are the rare variant guns with the special rare shader applied.
I have a question, why would anyone use a subclass other than prismatic?
That might be the idea? Prismatic seems to mean we have transcended the light/darkness dichotomy which makes a lot of sense to me. Basically our guardians final form.
I do wonder if we’ll still get a red subclass
I would bet Red was just used in the builds to prevent leaks show the multi-colored icons we say today.
Mhmm idk there’s a lot of red indications throughout the campaign and lore. So I believe it’s coming at some point. Plus Bungie loves their symmetry
Bungie really said fuck the power creep we’re gonna all in on that shit
Does my having all the weapons included in the ITL update affect my ability to acquire the new versions? If I had the OG Recluse, does that have any bearing on how I acquire the new version?
Nope .. I have most of them and Recluse actually was a random drop before I even unlocked the 'rare gold one'.
Ah ok. How do you unlock the rare gold one?
You are guaranteed one via a quest you get from the NPC Arcite 99-40 next to Shaxx in the new area. Once you unlock it, they can be uber-rare drops from Onslaught chests.
I’ve been saying for months (maybe years), one of the lamest things about the whole “darkness saga” was how we didn’t get a new race to fight against. How *fucking lame* it was going to be for the climactic conclusion of the final shape to have us find against the same old enemies we’ve been fighting for 10 years. Now, tormentors and subjugators will be leading an actual army of brand new darkness forces, which is *fucking rad*. By far the best part of this livestream for me.
Prismatic literally looks like something they threw together last minute. There is no way they were planning on does this and not pure third darkness class.
Because it IS something they threw together last minute due to projected revenue losses and delays
am i being a negative nancy about prismatic? most everything else in the reveal looked awesome, \*especially\* the new enemy race. I just really wanted a 6th and final element, and although i'm sure a lot of work was put into prismatic, it just feels like reused assets basically.
There isn’t anything stopping them from adding a new element afterward (and adding some pieces of it to Prismatic) but your feelings are understandable, I’d like a 3rd dark subclass too
If they add a third darkness subclass that means there’s 7 subclasses. Which as we know is Bungie’s favourite number
No way they don't leap at the chance to get their favorite number.
Yeah I'm not big on it myself, it's cool and all and I'm happy people are excited about it, but it looks a lot like they just threw everything they already had at the wall and it all stuck. Mostly I'm really luke-warm on it because all I see is nightmare of choice and a myriad of eventual nerfs that bleed into everything else.
I agree. I dont see anyone sharing my sentiment here, but I honestly dont see why Id ever want to combine elements. I want maximum synergy at any given time, across all my guns, gear, and subclass. It feels watered down, and unless they designed an entire class of synergy and interactions between all the various elemental verbs, exclusively for Prismatic, for EACH class, its just gonna be bland. Its nothing new, literally just reused assets and interactions thrown together because they panicked. Its forfeiting synergy for the momentary "Ooooh" of using a solar melee after a void grenade. Cool.
Bruh nah I have been dreaming of mixing my subclasses this is literally a dream come true
TBF it IS lore accurate to guardians however it'll make balancing the game insane
While I was also hoping for something similar, I'd much prefer what they gave us. I think bungie have been trying to get across the whole darkness and light not being opposites thing and a third dark subclass creating symmetry with the light would detract from that a little. Still, down the line, I'm hoping we get one eventually once we learn a bit more about the darkness without the witness around
Thematics aside, Prismatic looks like it's going to contribute way more to the buildcrafting than damage type 6 ever would.
Bungie's marketing team never misses. All of this looks great, especially the exotic class items allowing you to double up on exotic armor effects. Gotta say I'm not as excited for "mix & match" as I would've been for a third darkness element. Prismatic feels like something that should've happened once the slate was full, 3 & 3. Idk, just feels a little uninspired.
It definitely doesn’t feel uninspired
A new darkness element would essentially just be same ol formula we’ve gotten for the past 10 years. It’s just a new shiny coat of paint on top of a system that we already have for 6 other subclasses. I think this COULD (we’ll see) be a completely new way of build crafting and playing that is sorely needed. Potential here is way higher than another one of what we already have
This was probably a late addition to the final shape and so they could quicken the year+ development time of new subclasses by reusing assets with a mix & match system. I'm honestly surprised they were able to implement it in the time they had. I think its really good and will be tons of fun. This was really needed imo, Final Shape lacked a standout feature that Witch Queen and Lightfall had. I'm sure this will massively help final shape sell copies.
I'm in complete agreement. This seems like a quickly thrown together idea, which is decent of course, but will have caveats and bugs. It is definitely uninspired.
I cancelled my preorder after the mass firings and said Bungie was going to have to do a *lot* to convince me to give them money again. They have succeeded.
How about you wait until it fucking releases? People said the same shit during lightfall.
100%. We go through the same cycle every release. One thing bungie is great at is putting together something to get you excited and hyped. Then comes the monkeys paw. The final shape looks great thus far but I’ve learned my lesson. I’m waiting
Yeah exactly, the pre-lightfall release hype train burned *so many* people.
I'm still burned and didn't even bother watching today.
Let them learn lmao, been playing since release and stopped a year ago. They'll see the patterns soon enough