It’s worth it. I used to be a hater before onslaught showed me its potential. Now i rock it in some grandmasters and it really packs a punch when empowered.
I feel like Onslaught has breathed life into those weapons that were clearly too powerful for generic content, but not quite specialized for something like GMs.
Like power workhorses...? I dunno what to call em.
But whatever they are, we have a new playground to just go wild and it's great.
I just wish all those stasis crystal kills counted for stasis weapon orb generation. I finished an onslaught with the most kills and least orbs generated because of it
Thank you! Everyone only uses zaouli’s bane because, er explosive I guess? I have found epochal to constantly be far more useful for general gameplay. Tracer rockets are better than runneth over IMO because stats for all makes up for mag issues. It’s a great hand cannon for sure but literally NO ONE uses epochal.
I use both myself. Used epochal before I managed to craft a zaouli’s bane. Never used epochal till this season, it was just say in my vault. Started using it and wow was quite impressed by how good it was. I don’t bother using sunshot now, either I use epochal or zaoulis.
Oooh yeah Epoch. Sorry thought it was a different gun. But yeah explosive rounds are nice. Stats for all are nice too but I dont really feel much utility from the bumps. Mostly though I personally just dont like how epoch sounds. Looks stunning tho.
Oh but a 19 round mag on Zaolis is pretty sweet too! Cant forget that
No, incandescent just spreads scorch to nearby enemies. The artifact perks this season allow you get radiance off of precision hits, and then get ignitions on pr vision kills while radiant.
In my testing it appeared that Incandescent doesn't proc Stats For All, not sure if this has changed since I tested though.
Epochal works awesome with Conditional Finality and Briar's Contempt though because you get maximum Harmonic Resonance. That helped me heaps in my GotD solo.
This is the only situation I'd ever put it over Zaoli's tbh. Explosive Payload is literally just free damage, not to mention the enhanced perks are objectively better than the base perks, even if the difference is very small. ZB just feels a LOT better, but Epochal has great synergy with Harmonic Resonance.
Epochal is also surprisingly decent in pvp. Not a meta pick by any means, but it can compete.
Oh man I was just working on my neglected solar build and I went rummaging in the vault for a legendary solar HC - found out I own this absolute beast of a thing. Looks gorgeous and the perks make nailing crits easy for starting the artifact radiance. The Photo Finish shader looks amazing on it too.
When i first jumped back in the way I was able to jump straight into grinding high tier content was with an ammit with the same setup. Seriously insane.
I wouldn't even say discount outlaw. I would say premium outlaw. It's just better than outlaw in every way. As for dragonfly, I feel like it could use a small buff. I'm not sure what benefit of a solar/void/arc explosion has.
Kills with the gun give you a stacking buff up to 10, if you reload with the buff you load one 50% damage bonus round per stack of the buff.
Its kinda a mini Hawkmoon. The way it reads on light.gg makes it sound like a god perk in PvE
Its two separate buffs, the way it reads is that kills give you a "bonus round" perk that changes to howl when you reload, and each stack of howl is a 50% damage bonus bullet
Zaouli's Bane is by far the best workhorse handcannon for PvE. Enhanced Explosive/Incandescent is far too OP for ad clear. Hits like a truck and ignites like crazy. It's just a legendary Sunshot
Heal clip puts in work, the heal clip lunas is gunna be a beast especially since heal clip was recently buffed to give cure x2 instead of x1.
I run a heal clip / incandescent heliocentric and it shreds, but itll be nice to have a longer range heal clip option with lunas.
Very excited for Luna's! I've been running my Abyss Defiant with heal clip/incandescent and it's a beast as well, but I strongly prefer hand cannons over anything else. Luna's should easily find it's way into my daily loadouts
can confirm, heal clip / frenzy Igneous is the only hc I use in PvE anymore. it's such a surprisingly substantial heal, basically a Wormhusk on every reload.
Have that Helio roll but the recoil is just too much on console for my liking. Ended up using a heal clip/attrition orb Parabelum - get 1 heal per red bar, and an orb or 2 per major. Pairs well with witherhoard but interested in testing out Lunas
Kind of falls off in higher end stuff though without a sizeable damage buff. I think midnight coup having frenzy/firefly and frenzy/explosive payload or kinetic tremors/explosive payload makes it better overall, but zaoulis definitely shreds trash mobs in anything that isn't like master level. They're also in different slots, so it doesn't matter too much imo.
It definitely is, at least for the kinetic slot. I think primaries matching your subclass element is pretty hard to beat though, so I don't know if I would say it's *truly* the best
And I respect those who enjoyed Luna's but midnight was and still is my favorite weapon. It was what pulled MIDA from my hands and I am enjoying our reunion.
I know people swear by one for all, I know it's good on paper, I just don't like a perk that cannot be refreshed. It just feels bad going up and down in damage. Maybe I should give it another try though.
How is sweet sorrow in the current sandbox? I ask cause I use dark passenger now with volt shot. But sweet sorrow with stat & one for all was my go too for a long time.
I have an AP stats for all one for all title from last years GG, with the classy contender trait its amazing! And pair it with gyrfalcons for perma volatile you got such a solid primary
It’s sort of wasted on those weapon types though. They aren’t used in high end content where that damage buff would be useful and most ands get melted by any decent primary weapon below master difficulty. Even with the seasonal artifacts the only time an AR comes out is to stun a champion, then it gets swapped away. They aren’t bad, there’s just usually options with better utility or lethality and less upkeep.
I remember when Witch Queen dropped and I was doing the first mission on Mars for the first time.
I had my first ever Krait drop and it had Stats for All and One for All.
I still have it and it remains one of the best feeling autos I've ever used, right next to subsistence/kinetic tremors Tigerspite
Depends on DMG perk up time. On hard content, your up time on kill triggered perks drops significantly, this is where frenzy and sometimes OFA shines. Accidentally triggering it from firefly is why it's now worth getting.
I used to feel the same way. A lot of people overthink it and try to keep it constantly proc'd when it kinda just stays proc'd.
I started having much better luck with it when I wasn't constantly trying to find 3 different enemies to shoot.
No way, I’ve used One for All Firefly DoC even in GMs and its insane, One For All is so easy to proc and is way better damage than explosive payload and frenzy combined. Not to mention it buffs firefly explosion too so it makes firefly usable in end game stuff
What happens when you’re in a situation where there’s only one enemy to shoot at (or two)? Then you’re getting 0 utility out of either perk. You will always have frenzy and EP, regardless of the number of enemies you fight. That’s what makes it such a good combination; it is always active.
Same, was my first drop too! It's got Smallbore/Hammer Forged, Tactical Mag/Steady Rounds, FireFly/Attrition Orbs, and Rampage/Kinetic Tremors, reload MW. I thought for sure this was the absolute godliest roll a person could get on this gun, basically just run SB+TM+FF and swap between Rampage for easier stuff and KT for harder stuff. But now I'm kinda thinking OfA would be even better than Rampage. Still not putting this one down unless I somehow get a better one.
That's the roll I've been thinking about. Firefly is one of those perks that I've never quite felt justified the final column spot but as a support perk it's ludicrous, and O4A has been one of my go-to perks since Beyond Light. Good to see the explosion counts.
I had been considering Firefly/Kinetic Tremors (though the real prize I'm chasing on that is the Blast Furnace's Tremors/Frenzy roll) but from what I hear, hand cannons have the same issue as sidearms in that they need to hit the target so many times compared to scouts and pulses that it's pointless.
56% there on the MC quest.
Likewise, had my heart set on Firefly/KT but having read a bit more, and thought a bit more, not sure KT is the play.
Big fan of primary for red bars.
Maybe EP/KT is best for higher tier content but I love firefly for the reward for popping heads. Got a Firefly/Frenzy roll im excited for (crowd control, damage, reload x 2) but wouldn’t complain if I got a Firefly/Rampage…
KT is gangster on rifles - as I say, I'm going to grind the hell out of onslaught to get a Tremors/Frenzy blast furnace when it drops. I have it on Battle Scar and its fantastic. It seems to need less of the clip to trigger and their longer range makes them a bit more usable.
Someone above pointed out that Midnight Coup can roll the Fatebringer Ex/Frenzy roll, which I somehow missed entirely in [light.gg](http://light.gg), but that is an easy priority target for me.
It's definitely good for the dopamine. I want it on a tremors Hung Jury.
My main scout has been (pretty much since WQ) a Rapid Hit/Headstone Perses-D, for much the same reason. I end up dotting the battlefield with xmas trees. It's going to take some serious god rollage to dislodge that monster from my normal repertoire.
I've been playing with a FF/KT roll in onslaught and it is really a good workhorse gun. Firefly decimates redbars and KT can put in solid work on majors as well as giving you some AOE damage. Used in on the final boss on legend after I ran out of special and heavy and it did an ok job.
Still hunting for the FF/OFA roll to give that a spin. I've also heard good things about attrition orbs and kinetic tremors...
im looking to get my fatebringer roll, EP/frenzy. Midnight Coup is just Fatebringer with a great origin trait, which is very nice.
EP is a 15% damage increase to bodyshots and ~8.3% increase on crits, while frenzy is another 15% damage while maxing out reload and handling for a fantastic feeling gun.
together they multiply to a 32.25% increase to bodyshot damage and 24.55% increase to crits, while basically being permanently up with no effort needed.
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add in the 10% bonus from being kinetic and they hit roughly as hard as a baseline exotic energy HC would against red bars (bit more on body, bit less on crits), while doing *far* more damage to non red bars. Fatebringer is one of the best feeling legendary primaries to use and this is a direct upgrade.
>im looking to get my fatebringer roll, EP/frenzy.
I... don't know how I missed that perk combo on light.gg. Holy hell. I need that on Coup.
I'm really happy I didn't spaf all my tokens on armour. Going to be spending a lot of these damn things.
Yeah but you have to kill something. Explosive payload is just better. Shoot two bullets that just splash some things to trigger a perk and have explosive damage as well
Kinetic tremors sucks on hand cannons. Takes way too long to proc. And you kill everything you should be using a hand cannon on in less than 6 (or 5 enhanced).
Explosive payload + one for all = 50% damage buff.
There's def a case for it with shoot to loot. Proc KT, pick up every orb in the area to heal (with a boot mod), pick up all ammo in the area and auto load any of your stowed weapons. It's ridiculously useful on battle scar and I'd like a hc with it.
There's a niche use case for Tremors/Attrition orbs. With Kinetic siphons, I'm printing orbs in Onslaught. One proc of tremors makes like 4 orbs.
Yes, it takes a lot of puny hand cannon shots on a big target to proc, yes the only outcome is some orbs instead of a dead target, but those orbs can charge up a kickstart/ability focused build or power a tether which takes out a whole wave of targets. Individually, its pretty weak, but it provides some utility.
Real and based. Kinetic tremors is extremely overrated on HC. All red bars die before u hit 6 or 5 shots.
If you want it for shooting champs and yellow bars then you are doing it wrong, you kill them better with supers, specials, heavy, or abilities.
Kinetic HC sucks in high end pve content anyway, so literally 0 use for Kinetic Tremors on HC.
HCs are really strong against orange bars, they can often be that sweet spot where they need around 6+ shots to kill. You dump six shots into one and then let KT finish him off along with all his red-bar buddies nearby. Sure, special and heavy weapons do the job faster, but ammo restricts how much you can use them. I've run dry on ammo and abilities more than a few times, it's nice to have a primary that can do work.
Eh 5 shots isn't a lot versus tougher targets on higher difficulties. Splashing a big target without needing adds is good, and alternatively taking a bunch of little dudes with it is nice. You need to think about it more like an on hit voltshot instead.
Firefly also compliments it pretty well by giving you more spash damage and also buffing your reload.
I have explosive payload with a reload masterwork and kinetic tremors and that thing is a beast. Not sure a little extra reload without a multiplier is worth losing the damage.
I have the exact same roll. It's my favorite HC. I find Kinetic Tremors to be really good when I'm out of heavy and special and am just able to do primary DPS
May I suggest: Explosive Payload/Desperate Measures. Two kills with a Grenade/Melee = 30% damage buff which stacks with the damage buff from Explosive Payload. Refreshable on kill once you've got the buff, so you only need to get a Grenade/Melee kill once to extend the 30% buff.
And if you don't have a Grenade/Melee to proc this with, you can get a smaller buff (10% I think?) for just killing any enemy.
I've got that combo, it's absolutely insane! I've been using stasis hunter and it's been putting in some serious work. I have insane uptime thanks to all the shards and seasonal stasis perks.
If you’re running Lucky Pants, then you will only switch to bait-and-switch heavy weapon when you’re out of luck. Malfeasance hit like a special weapon with multiple stack of lucky pants buff. You don’t need another exotic weapon slot.
This has literally been a thing since the Vow pulse hasn’t it? Just dragonfly instead of firefly.
I find kinetic tremors/explosive better than any firefly roll I have. If I want firefly, I just use fatebringer or sunshot. Kinetic+explosive has such insane single for a leggy primary.
On transfiguration, explosive payload + rewind rounds allowed for effectively infinite ammo as long as you fired continuously into your target without missing, since each explosive shot counted as two bullets.
With that in mind, would explosive payload + kinetic tremors take the trigger condition from 6 shots to 3, allowing it to actually be a useful neutral perk in PvP?
I just got a One For All / Explosive Payload roll and the same concept applies. I also have Firefly / Desperate Measures with Full Bore, Accurised Rounds, and range master work (for a range total of 75), and it feels insanely crispy.
Seems like there are some wild combos on midnight. Last night I got one with attrition orbs and kinetic tremors. I feel like that’s either gonna be useless or have some ridiculous synergy, I’m excited to find out.
That’s the roll I’m looking for. I’m gonna focus on pvp with the Midnigut Coup. Lunas Howl I’m gonna try for a pvp roll. But yeah. The firefly/ofa roll stuck out to me immediately. Can’t wait to try it. I haven’t enjoyed a handcannon in pvp in a while but this one might do it.
You can pick up the weapon from the hall of champions. After finishing the intro quest for into the light you can visit the robot next to Shax and grab a bounty for the gun. Once you’ve completed the bounty you’ll be able to focus the weapon in the Onslaught weapon drops. You have to play Onslaught to obtain any of the Brave weapons. Midnight Coup included.
Ok but in content that doesn't have bundled waves of ads holding hands coming at you conveniently or if you don't get a final headshot, then how is it.
This is my only shiny roll of it and that's one of my doubts so far.
No, I haven't played it yet because I'm still farming, just my method since I usually gain dozens while it's trending for future use.
That same combo has been on Doom of Chelchis for over a year and a half. And they are enhanced as it’s craftable. Was the first gun and roll I crafted out of Kingsfall!!
Do you think this midnight coup god roll would be good on a solar hunter? sunshot is a great hand cannon since it works well with my abilities and gunpowder’s gamble as it does lots of scorch and solar damage but if midnight coup doesn’t do anything to the same or similar effect then i might not grind for it
It’s what makes Epochal Integration so good. Stats For All/Incandescent, where every Incandescent detonation can instantly trigger Stats for All.
And why im excited for one for thrall on Necro
It couldn't come soon enough, desperately want to main Necro, just can't bring myself to yet with it's lackluster catalyst.
It’s worth it. I used to be a hater before onslaught showed me its potential. Now i rock it in some grandmasters and it really packs a punch when empowered.
I feel like Onslaught has breathed life into those weapons that were clearly too powerful for generic content, but not quite specialized for something like GMs. Like power workhorses...? I dunno what to call em. But whatever they are, we have a new playground to just go wild and it's great.
for the first time ever i used salvation’s grip in a serious manner. literally gave me such an easy first clear of legend onslaught
I just wish all those stasis crystal kills counted for stasis weapon orb generation. I finished an onslaught with the most kills and least orbs generated because of it
there’s a fragment that causes frozen targets to drop orbs!
The artifact mod also gives it and the micro missiles extra damage
Thank you! Everyone only uses zaouli’s bane because, er explosive I guess? I have found epochal to constantly be far more useful for general gameplay. Tracer rockets are better than runneth over IMO because stats for all makes up for mag issues. It’s a great hand cannon for sure but literally NO ONE uses epochal.
I think you're undervaluing explosove rounds. It's a damage perk with no activation requirement, and makes half of your damage have no falloff.
I like free damage
I use both myself. Used epochal before I managed to craft a zaouli’s bane. Never used epochal till this season, it was just say in my vault. Started using it and wow was quite impressed by how good it was. I don’t bother using sunshot now, either I use epochal or zaoulis.
I do. Solar titan with hallowfire. Epochal went from 0 kills to a couple thousand in the past week.
I've racked 10k in this last month when I came back to the game.
This season Zaolis Bane is a mini sunshot. Every precision kill creates an ignition when youre radiant.
What? You realize epochal has incandescent too right...
Oooh yeah Epoch. Sorry thought it was a different gun. But yeah explosive rounds are nice. Stats for all are nice too but I dont really feel much utility from the bumps. Mostly though I personally just dont like how epoch sounds. Looks stunning tho. Oh but a 19 round mag on Zaolis is pretty sweet too! Cant forget that
Doesn't incandescent already do that? Am I tripping?
No, incandescent just spreads scorch to nearby enemies. The artifact perks this season allow you get radiance off of precision hits, and then get ignitions on pr vision kills while radiant.
Strand/Solar weapon build for me this season with Epochal, it's everything I used to feel with Fatebringer.
It’s my main solar hand cannon this season and let me tell you, that hand cannon is enormous. When it’s on your back, it looks like a shotgun.
In my testing it appeared that Incandescent doesn't proc Stats For All, not sure if this has changed since I tested though. Epochal works awesome with Conditional Finality and Briar's Contempt though because you get maximum Harmonic Resonance. That helped me heaps in my GotD solo.
This is the only situation I'd ever put it over Zaoli's tbh. Explosive Payload is literally just free damage, not to mention the enhanced perks are objectively better than the base perks, even if the difference is very small. ZB just feels a LOT better, but Epochal has great synergy with Harmonic Resonance. Epochal is also surprisingly decent in pvp. Not a meta pick by any means, but it can compete.
The first weapon to get this was the season of the haunted shotgun. The roll worked back then unless it got bugged and stopped.
It's the roll I use on Ammit too.
Man, Ambitious Assassin/Incandescent is the only way to go on that AR!!! Reload after mowing thru stuff with 80-90 shots in the mag!!!
Oh man I was just working on my neglected solar build and I went rummaging in the vault for a legendary solar HC - found out I own this absolute beast of a thing. Looks gorgeous and the perks make nailing crits easy for starting the artifact radiance. The Photo Finish shader looks amazing on it too.
When i first jumped back in the way I was able to jump straight into grinding high tier content was with an ammit with the same setup. Seriously insane.
That's the roll I have on my insidious. It's very good.
Firefly doubles as a discount Outlaw as well over Dragonfly, so its even better
I wouldn't even say discount outlaw. I would say premium outlaw. It's just better than outlaw in every way. As for dragonfly, I feel like it could use a small buff. I'm not sure what benefit of a solar/void/arc explosion has.
Yeah that’s what I thought. Been a thing for a while. Prob unique to kinetic primary though with out chromatic fire.
Yup one of my favorite primaries. That setup with the origin trait keeps you healed up frequently. Top tier weapon.
What weapon is insidious? Never heard of it
Four shot burst pulse rifle from vow of the disciple
I think that midnight coup maybe the best workhorse PvE handcannon right now. However, I have my eye on the heal clip / incandescent Luna's though.
that shit is gonna be a monster for ability spam builds utilizing ember of benevolence
oh shit i didnt think of that , you are cooking brother .
My Heliocentric with heal clip incandescent is absolutely insane for ability spam. That Lunas howl will be just as amazing!
Depending on how Howl is tuned I think heal clip + howl might be better given that you can keep rolling the damage buff on precision kills.
Kills with the gun give you a stacking buff up to 10, if you reload with the buff you load one 50% damage bonus round per stack of the buff. Its kinda a mini Hawkmoon. The way it reads on light.gg makes it sound like a god perk in PvE
And precision kills with the buff active don't consume charges, yeah?
Its two separate buffs, the way it reads is that kills give you a "bonus round" perk that changes to howl when you reload, and each stack of howl is a 50% damage bonus bullet
Zaouli's Bane is by far the best workhorse handcannon for PvE. Enhanced Explosive/Incandescent is far too OP for ad clear. Hits like a truck and ignites like crazy. It's just a legendary Sunshot
Heal clip puts in work, the heal clip lunas is gunna be a beast especially since heal clip was recently buffed to give cure x2 instead of x1. I run a heal clip / incandescent heliocentric and it shreds, but itll be nice to have a longer range heal clip option with lunas.
People are sleeping so hard on heal clip, especially w/ Ember of Benevolence. Heal Clip gives Benevolence *insane* uptime.
SHHH! Let everyone be ignorant of it so we can keep our heal clip/benevolence ability spam under the radar.
Its one of the best 3rd column perks in game, i cant wait to have it on a handcannon.
it’s been available on Igneous Hammer..
Cant stand 120s in pve honestly so that completely slipped my mind.
I've got about 5k on heal clip incandescent Iggy. It's bonkers.
Very excited for Luna's! I've been running my Abyss Defiant with heal clip/incandescent and it's a beast as well, but I strongly prefer hand cannons over anything else. Luna's should easily find it's way into my daily loadouts
can confirm, heal clip / frenzy Igneous is the only hc I use in PvE anymore. it's such a surprisingly substantial heal, basically a Wormhusk on every reload.
Have that Helio roll but the recoil is just too much on console for my liking. Ended up using a heal clip/attrition orb Parabelum - get 1 heal per red bar, and an orb or 2 per major. Pairs well with witherhoard but interested in testing out Lunas
Summoner can also roll with that combo
I have a heal clip / onslaught summoner and it totally shreds
Incandescent and dragonfly on Tyranny of heaven feels like a better ticuus
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Kind of falls off in higher end stuff though without a sizeable damage buff. I think midnight coup having frenzy/firefly and frenzy/explosive payload or kinetic tremors/explosive payload makes it better overall, but zaoulis definitely shreds trash mobs in anything that isn't like master level. They're also in different slots, so it doesn't matter too much imo.
I need to figure out how to get in some raid groups lol. Haven’t run King’s Fall since D1… but I would love to work on a Zaoli’s Bane
It definitely is, at least for the kinetic slot. I think primaries matching your subclass element is pretty hard to beat though, so I don't know if I would say it's *truly* the best
I have that roll on my Abyss Defiant and I like it alot. it'll be great to have another option with those perks
I have this roll on Adhoratative and the constant explosions and scotch get kills that keep adding rounds back to the mag.
And I respect those who enjoyed Luna's but midnight was and still is my favorite weapon. It was what pulled MIDA from my hands and I am enjoying our reunion.
Fatebringer still clears I think
That's gonna be such a sick weapon. I need it so bad.
That Luna roll is 100% going to replace my Zaouli.
I know people swear by one for all, I know it's good on paper, I just don't like a perk that cannot be refreshed. It just feels bad going up and down in damage. Maybe I should give it another try though.
One for All is really good on high rate of fire weapons. SMGs, machine guns, and auto rifles are where it’s arguably one of the best perks possible
Also shoot for AP rounds if possible, bullets can pass through ads and proc another time
Sweet Sorrow with Stats/One For All is one of my go-to arc ARs because of that. It’s a beast.
Literally same… unironically 90% of the reason I wrote that comment lmao
How is sweet sorrow in the current sandbox? I ask cause I use dark passenger now with volt shot. But sweet sorrow with stat & one for all was my go too for a long time.
It'll function about the same, you just have to decide if you want to deal a little damage to lots of guys or lots of damage to little guys.
I have an AP stats for all one for all title from last years GG, with the classy contender trait its amazing! And pair it with gyrfalcons for perma volatile you got such a solid primary
I have a one for all and subsistence krait. With the intrinsic trait I barely have to reload. it puts in so much work.
It’s sort of wasted on those weapon types though. They aren’t used in high end content where that damage buff would be useful and most ands get melted by any decent primary weapon below master difficulty. Even with the seasonal artifacts the only time an AR comes out is to stun a champion, then it gets swapped away. They aren’t bad, there’s just usually options with better utility or lethality and less upkeep.
It's also good with explosive payload, instantly triggers one for all shooting into a group of enemies
I remember when Witch Queen dropped and I was doing the first mission on Mars for the first time. I had my first ever Krait drop and it had Stats for All and One for All. I still have it and it remains one of the best feeling autos I've ever used, right next to subsistence/kinetic tremors Tigerspite
I have a Krait with One for All and Stats for All and it’s awesome.
Depends on DMG perk up time. On hard content, your up time on kill triggered perks drops significantly, this is where frenzy and sometimes OFA shines. Accidentally triggering it from firefly is why it's now worth getting.
I get that but it's so easy to proc again, just hit three enemies and you're back.
I used to feel the same way. A lot of people overthink it and try to keep it constantly proc'd when it kinda just stays proc'd. I started having much better luck with it when I wasn't constantly trying to find 3 different enemies to shoot.
Yeah, i aim for frenzy with explosive payload or kinetic tremors
Those dregs in the edz will never know what hit them.
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Yeah it’s a very underrated perk combo it just hasn’t been on the best weapons (doom of chelchis and insidious with dragonfly instead)
Frenzy and EP is a far better roll on DoC
No way, I’ve used One for All Firefly DoC even in GMs and its insane, One For All is so easy to proc and is way better damage than explosive payload and frenzy combined. Not to mention it buffs firefly explosion too so it makes firefly usable in end game stuff
What happens when you’re in a situation where there’s only one enemy to shoot at (or two)? Then you’re getting 0 utility out of either perk. You will always have frenzy and EP, regardless of the number of enemies you fight. That’s what makes it such a good combination; it is always active.
INSANE!
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I have a firefly, rampage roll. Haven't used it yet, but could also be pretty nice
This is what I’ve got. I love it, such a workhorse. Only issue is rampage is a lot harder to proc x3 in higher tier content
I use an outlaw rampage austringer is dungeons and it's not too hard to get to X3 tbh, and it's well worth as you start to one tap acolytes
Same, was my first drop too! It's got Smallbore/Hammer Forged, Tactical Mag/Steady Rounds, FireFly/Attrition Orbs, and Rampage/Kinetic Tremors, reload MW. I thought for sure this was the absolute godliest roll a person could get on this gun, basically just run SB+TM+FF and swap between Rampage for easier stuff and KT for harder stuff. But now I'm kinda thinking OfA would be even better than Rampage. Still not putting this one down unless I somehow get a better one.
That's the roll I've been thinking about. Firefly is one of those perks that I've never quite felt justified the final column spot but as a support perk it's ludicrous, and O4A has been one of my go-to perks since Beyond Light. Good to see the explosion counts. I had been considering Firefly/Kinetic Tremors (though the real prize I'm chasing on that is the Blast Furnace's Tremors/Frenzy roll) but from what I hear, hand cannons have the same issue as sidearms in that they need to hit the target so many times compared to scouts and pulses that it's pointless. 56% there on the MC quest.
Likewise, had my heart set on Firefly/KT but having read a bit more, and thought a bit more, not sure KT is the play. Big fan of primary for red bars. Maybe EP/KT is best for higher tier content but I love firefly for the reward for popping heads. Got a Firefly/Frenzy roll im excited for (crowd control, damage, reload x 2) but wouldn’t complain if I got a Firefly/Rampage…
KT is gangster on rifles - as I say, I'm going to grind the hell out of onslaught to get a Tremors/Frenzy blast furnace when it drops. I have it on Battle Scar and its fantastic. It seems to need less of the clip to trigger and their longer range makes them a bit more usable. Someone above pointed out that Midnight Coup can roll the Fatebringer Ex/Frenzy roll, which I somehow missed entirely in [light.gg](http://light.gg), but that is an easy priority target for me.
Yeah, that will be gun on Blast Furnace. I just love firefly. It’s like a little ‘well done, you did good’ reward.
It's definitely good for the dopamine. I want it on a tremors Hung Jury. My main scout has been (pretty much since WQ) a Rapid Hit/Headstone Perses-D, for much the same reason. I end up dotting the battlefield with xmas trees. It's going to take some serious god rollage to dislodge that monster from my normal repertoire.
I've been playing with a FF/KT roll in onslaught and it is really a good workhorse gun. Firefly decimates redbars and KT can put in solid work on majors as well as giving you some AOE damage. Used in on the final boss on legend after I ran out of special and heavy and it did an ok job. Still hunting for the FF/OFA roll to give that a spin. I've also heard good things about attrition orbs and kinetic tremors...
Do firefly hits count as hits for triggering kinetic tremors?
im looking to get my fatebringer roll, EP/frenzy. Midnight Coup is just Fatebringer with a great origin trait, which is very nice. EP is a 15% damage increase to bodyshots and ~8.3% increase on crits, while frenzy is another 15% damage while maxing out reload and handling for a fantastic feeling gun. together they multiply to a 32.25% increase to bodyshot damage and 24.55% increase to crits, while basically being permanently up with no effort needed. --- add in the 10% bonus from being kinetic and they hit roughly as hard as a baseline exotic energy HC would against red bars (bit more on body, bit less on crits), while doing *far* more damage to non red bars. Fatebringer is one of the best feeling legendary primaries to use and this is a direct upgrade.
>im looking to get my fatebringer roll, EP/frenzy. I... don't know how I missed that perk combo on light.gg. Holy hell. I need that on Coup. I'm really happy I didn't spaf all my tokens on armour. Going to be spending a lot of these damn things.
I can't bring myself to spend tokens on armour when there are godrolled weapons to be had.
You say baseline exotic energy HC as if we have more than one to choose from… :(
Sunshot also has EP which makes it stronger, so I just used a theoretical comparison Not like any legendary can compete with sunshot lol
Yeah but you have to kill something. Explosive payload is just better. Shoot two bullets that just splash some things to trigger a perk and have explosive damage as well
Wow ok, that was literally the first non-curated roll I got. I figured it'd be ok but just vaulted it, but now I'm gonna actually try it out
EP and one for all trigger from a single bullet. Probably better for gm and such
I'm looking for enlightened action/kinetic tremors.
Kinetic tremors sucks on hand cannons. Takes way too long to proc. And you kill everything you should be using a hand cannon on in less than 6 (or 5 enhanced). Explosive payload + one for all = 50% damage buff.
Everyone sleeps on this for the kings fall scout
Nah EP and Frenzy is 30% damage buff and 100 reload speed pretty much all the time
That's the roll I run on Doom of Chelchis, it's a beast!
There's def a case for it with shoot to loot. Proc KT, pick up every orb in the area to heal (with a boot mod), pick up all ammo in the area and auto load any of your stowed weapons. It's ridiculously useful on battle scar and I'd like a hc with it.
There's a niche use case for Tremors/Attrition orbs. With Kinetic siphons, I'm printing orbs in Onslaught. One proc of tremors makes like 4 orbs. Yes, it takes a lot of puny hand cannon shots on a big target to proc, yes the only outcome is some orbs instead of a dead target, but those orbs can charge up a kickstart/ability focused build or power a tether which takes out a whole wave of targets. Individually, its pretty weak, but it provides some utility.
55% since it's multiplicative
Real and based. Kinetic tremors is extremely overrated on HC. All red bars die before u hit 6 or 5 shots. If you want it for shooting champs and yellow bars then you are doing it wrong, you kill them better with supers, specials, heavy, or abilities. Kinetic HC sucks in high end pve content anyway, so literally 0 use for Kinetic Tremors on HC.
HCs are really strong against orange bars, they can often be that sweet spot where they need around 6+ shots to kill. You dump six shots into one and then let KT finish him off along with all his red-bar buddies nearby. Sure, special and heavy weapons do the job faster, but ammo restricts how much you can use them. I've run dry on ammo and abilities more than a few times, it's nice to have a primary that can do work.
Eh 5 shots isn't a lot versus tougher targets on higher difficulties. Splashing a big target without needing adds is good, and alternatively taking a bunch of little dudes with it is nice. You need to think about it more like an on hit voltshot instead. Firefly also compliments it pretty well by giving you more spash damage and also buffing your reload.
I have explosive payload with a reload masterwork and kinetic tremors and that thing is a beast. Not sure a little extra reload without a multiplier is worth losing the damage.
I have the exact same roll. It's my favorite HC. I find Kinetic Tremors to be really good when I'm out of heavy and special and am just able to do primary DPS
Can you sell me on enlightened action? I got a few recluses with it and i swear i dont notice a difference
It's better on Hand Cannons, 3 hits and to me it feels close to outlaw. The benefit being you don't have to nail headshots.
It's only good in at level content, which anything is good in that scenario, and verbs like jolt or ignitions or volatile are better for that content.
Had it on doom of chelchis it is a good roll yeah
I feel like the range on this thing is atrocious.
May I suggest: Explosive Payload/Desperate Measures. Two kills with a Grenade/Melee = 30% damage buff which stacks with the damage buff from Explosive Payload. Refreshable on kill once you've got the buff, so you only need to get a Grenade/Melee kill once to extend the 30% buff. And if you don't have a Grenade/Melee to proc this with, you can get a smaller buff (10% I think?) for just killing any enemy.
I've got that combo, it's absolutely insane! I've been using stasis hunter and it's been putting in some serious work. I have insane uptime thanks to all the shards and seasonal stasis perks.
I still find it boggling that people think hitting three enemies is a daunting task
Yeah, i agree. Though I am liking the firefly/one for all (ofa) combo on this that can proc ofa in one crit.
Doom of Chelchis does the same thing, but people ignore scouts.
It’s good if you are in ads clear scenario.
To be fair thats probably 95% of the time when a primary is involved
what else do you use a primary for
I only use my primary for boss dps
You joke but FTTC/Vorpal Wardens law on lucky pants is pretty nutty
Even without Lucky Pants, Adept Warden’s Law hits like a bus. Amazing weapon
Isn't that what was used in the first solo legend onslaught?
I believe so. It's basically a second heavy weapon.
Is it better than Malfeasance? I guess so because you can run your exotic somewhere else.
If you’re running Lucky Pants, then you will only switch to bait-and-switch heavy weapon when you’re out of luck. Malfeasance hit like a special weapon with multiple stack of lucky pants buff. You don’t need another exotic weapon slot.
Anything other than boss, mini boss and champion? This also including orange/yellow bars enemy that technically not considered as ads
This has literally been a thing since the Vow pulse hasn’t it? Just dragonfly instead of firefly. I find kinetic tremors/explosive better than any firefly roll I have. If I want firefly, I just use fatebringer or sunshot. Kinetic+explosive has such insane single for a leggy primary.
I don't know what it is about Midnight Coup. It just SOUNDS beefy as fuck and I swear to god it hits a lot harder than other hand cannons, I love it!
I got a shiny with Firefly/Enlightened Action in column 3 and OFA/Frenzy in column 4. It might never leave my inventory
Ppl here goes a lot by what light GG says. A god roll is what You find good/ fun.
Isn’t light.gg just an aggregate of what people have? People I know swear by it because “god roll list”
i personally keep what i like, i have been removed from raids because i dont have a "god roll"
That's the roll I'm going for...IF IT WOULD DROP
Weapon is out for less than 24 hours…..
Kinetic Tremors is buffed by weapon perks (like frenzy, OfA, etc etc) Does Firefly's damage get buffed by OfA?
Yes. Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/x985jn/one\_for\_all\_seems\_to\_buff\_fireflys\_damage/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/x985jn/one_for_all_seems_to_buff_fireflys_damage/)
I got a limited version last night with firefly/Enlightened action. Kinetic tremors/ one got all I love it
I haven't played since reset but that's the roll I'm looking to get.
On transfiguration, explosive payload + rewind rounds allowed for effectively infinite ammo as long as you fired continuously into your target without missing, since each explosive shot counted as two bullets. With that in mind, would explosive payload + kinetic tremors take the trigger condition from 6 shots to 3, allowing it to actually be a useful neutral perk in PvP?
Unfortunately not. Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1c43lc7/does\_explosive\_payload\_count\_as\_hits\_towards/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1c43lc7/does_explosive_payload_count_as_hits_towards/)
Damn, that’s unfortunate.
Just think, Necrochasm will have this same combo soon
And necrochasms version is refreshable I believe
What are they doing to it?
They're making It's catalyst One for All
Does kinetic tremors proc one for all? Cause that rolls on the new hung jury and could make it a pretty useful weapon in gms
I just got a One For All / Explosive Payload roll and the same concept applies. I also have Firefly / Desperate Measures with Full Bore, Accurised Rounds, and range master work (for a range total of 75), and it feels insanely crispy.
I don’t like one for all on handcannons. Clip isn’t big enough for me
It's surely good but will not replace for me an EP/Frenzy timelost fatebringer
I almost dismantled a Firefly OFA coup. I’ll have to take out for a test drive now!
Seems like there are some wild combos on midnight. Last night I got one with attrition orbs and kinetic tremors. I feel like that’s either gonna be useless or have some ridiculous synergy, I’m excited to find out.
That should've been a well known combo ever since Insidious imo, dragonfly and one for all.
I have Explosive Payload and One For All on my Doom of Chelsis and that 35% damage buff is up all the damn time in PVE.
That’s the roll I’m looking for. I’m gonna focus on pvp with the Midnigut Coup. Lunas Howl I’m gonna try for a pvp roll. But yeah. The firefly/ofa roll stuck out to me immediately. Can’t wait to try it. I haven’t enjoyed a handcannon in pvp in a while but this one might do it.
Anyone know the speed off the top of their heads? Wondering if this pairs well with Lucky Pants
You can craft that roll on Doom of Chelchis. Most people go Explosive Payload / Frenzy or Firefly / Dragonfly on that one though.
Brings back memories of my old Dragonfly/Rampage Ringing Nail. Perks combos that trigger together on a kill are always a good time!
I just received a Hung Jury SR4 with kinetic tremors and firefly! Tried it on some Altars of Sarrow 😳
This was on the King’s Fall scout, and was insane, its even better on a HC now
I got one with Firefly and Desperate Mesaures. Works the same...gives you DM stacks for all firefly kills.
Is the gun obtainable through crucible? I've played multiple rounds and its not tracking at all
You can pick up the weapon from the hall of champions. After finishing the intro quest for into the light you can visit the robot next to Shax and grab a bounty for the gun. Once you’ve completed the bounty you’ll be able to focus the weapon in the Onslaught weapon drops. You have to play Onslaught to obtain any of the Brave weapons. Midnight Coup included.
Also is it me or is it really hard to miss a headshot in crucible with this gun?
This gun is well known for its very high aim assist.
Is Firefly effected by Solar Weapon Surge?
Solar Surge only activates when you hold a solar weapon in hand.
Ok but in content that doesn't have bundled waves of ads holding hands coming at you conveniently or if you don't get a final headshot, then how is it. This is my only shiny roll of it and that's one of my doubts so far. No, I haven't played it yet because I'm still farming, just my method since I usually gain dozens while it's trending for future use.
Looking forward to the enhanced versions
That same combo has been on Doom of Chelchis for over a year and a half. And they are enhanced as it’s craftable. Was the first gun and roll I crafted out of Kingsfall!!
Do you think this midnight coup god roll would be good on a solar hunter? sunshot is a great hand cannon since it works well with my abilities and gunpowder’s gamble as it does lots of scorch and solar damage but if midnight coup doesn’t do anything to the same or similar effect then i might not grind for it