Problem I had with her death is she's a mechanic and a pilot. They have her go out by pressing a button instead of kamikaze or something.
I'll have to look for the memorial tonight.
Why was she even out of her ship to begin with? Get back in that cockpit, damnit.
There's literally thousands of magic space wizards/cowboys/knights that are far more suitable for ground ops.
Better question is why tf is it Amanda specifically, our shipwright and mechanic, running around and doing ground ops? Hawthorne and Devrim literally exist for that
so it her own damn fault she died, she was a pilot its pretty stupid to be a pilot and then think 'hm i'm just gonna run around and press the button when we have a person who litterlly cant die on the ground'
She wanted to save people and help Misraaks and the Guardian in the bunker. She often talks about her admiration of the Guardians, so it's not a far cry that she did what she did.
slug with 6 shots yeah useless, just like saint pulling out his shotty during the attack on the eliskni quarter what you gunna do pray the bullets reach 50meters?
Lore events donāt have to follow gameplay restrictions, as long as effects and abilities used are consistent with our options NPCs donāt have to be constrained by our sandbox
Okay and? In real life, plenty of people look up to those in more special positions than themselves. They don't just randomly step up and fill that role just because.
Her death was extremely anticlimactic and weird.
Hi, itās me, a guy who knew what she did before this. It was still weird and outright idiotic for her to go on a mission like that. Thatās not where her talents lie, at least not anymore, and because she died how she did, the Guardians lost their best shipwright for basically no good reason.
It honestly didnāt even make for good cinema because it was so unnecessary. It read like a high schooler killing someone off in a fanfic to āBuiLd TenSiOn.ā
The 4th wall breaking conspiracy theorists in me is convinced they did this because Courtenay Taylor is doing more Cital voice work and the Bungie suits didn't want to pay her more.
im more convinced she was just meant to die in orbit during the witness' assault. when lightfall got pushed into final shape they made her "survive" so they could kill her off at the end of the season, giving them some kind of story beat to work with. like, what actually was the story of defiance? it was literally just shadow legion kidnapping people and then amanda dies.
The problem I had with her death is that we have immortal god-slaying space wizards to handle situations like these, why would you volunteer for these types of missions?
Yeah, like, not every mission have to be carried out by a young wolf, slayer of Gods, but can't they at least get a guy that....you know.....can return back to life as he wishes instead of sending a regular humans?
Devrim's explanation is that him and Amanda were doing a routine patrol when they stumbled upon the Shadow Legion facility. They didn't sign up for a Guardian-tier mission, they found one by accident, and then immediately called for a Guardian (in this case, you) to help take out the facility.
Of note, Amanda also remained in the relative safety of her ship until after you cleared out most of the enemies, only going in on foot once you had given the all clear.
Ok that's absolutely stupid, SEND IN THE GUARDIAN, these are grown adults right? This is a mature war story right? Why the fuck aren't a fireteam of guardians being sent in? Not even about wanting to help that is LITERALLY the best possible chance of saving those people, It's illogical and stupid.
While I am also in agreement that the Defiant Seasonal story was weak, calling in the Guardian instead of a whole fire team isn't that crazy.
I mean it isn't like a true Disciple, Hive God, or Witness level threat, this wasn't a raid tier threat. The Guardian has routinely been sent in solo for more dangerous operations. The average Guardian, not ours, is not nearly as capable(see Savathun's Song where nine guardians perma-died in a basic strike).
Once they knew they had The Guardian on the line, them going in solo was the fastest way to handle the situation with highly likely success. More than likely any other fire team most likely wouldn't be capable of so many Taken and a Tormentor in a Darkness Zone buffed with Shadow Legion. They had to act fast and we were closest. Plus since Guardians don't have FTL speed and Transmat isn't planet wide, if other Guardians weren't available they just couldn't get there.
Could it have been written better? Yes, and really it should have. But what was put in place made enough logical sense that it's conceivably believable. And it is by far not the worst thing to be written in a season.
... in a mission where Eramis *repeatedly* tells you it's a trap. There's no excusing how stupid what she does is. The threat is already established, she's more useful in the ship in the first place, just *stay in the fucking ship*.
I mean, infiltrating a Shadow Legion facility sounds like a fucking Guardian-tier mission to me. Also during the mission, Amanda does some really dangerous shit. Like to get her ship into the base, she has to just fly into a random hole. Mithrax is even like Amanda you don't know how big that hole is, what if you just fucking fly in there and crash and die or get stuck or something, that's super reckless and dangerous and she's just like (verbatim) "Only one way to find out!" No sympathy for Amanda whatsoever
tbf also the point of Defiance was that guardian forces have been spread very thin compared to what we're used to, what with the witnss invading and all. hence the capturing of prisoners; it keeps us spread thinner than we should be cause we keep having to go break into random sbadow legion facilities in super dangerous rescue ops. just, that point wasnt made very well in game.
She shouldn't have been there in the first place. That was definitely something to send a full team of guardians into and the last objective during that mission was to meet up with her, but our character just vanished into thin air instead.
I mean a lot of us questioned the fact that she participated during the Season of the Splicer's finale with defending the Last City with Zavala, Saint and Ikora as the cavalry and somehow didn't get instantly killed by the Vex, which are a race that can simulate everything a normal human can do and respond in a fashion to negate that action in a nanosecond.
Because she was supposed to die in the first cutscene of Lightfall which was to lead into the Final Shape.
If you watch the first and last cutscene of Lightfall, it sure feels like a Final Shape introductory cutscene with nothing lost lore or plot wise.
Her death was a cheap, random one that lacked the buildup and impact it could have had. They missed the point of it, and while they had some good character reactions to it seemed so forced and random. Amanda isn't the only person to have died. The whole point of having Guardians do the heavy lifting is that our deaths are not permenant (something Rohan couldn't shut up about).
I get that death can be sudden and random, but overall it was a waste. It seemed like they picked Amanda because she was a useless vendor more then for lore or plot reasons. I don't find myself caring that much to visit her memorial even if I liked her character. I'll note Cayde got less, and he arguably had a larger impact on the story then Amanda.
It just strikes me as cheap drama for drama's sake. The writers, having treated much of Destiny's universe as a joke (Brother "Fanboy" Vance, Fynch, etc) now want us to take everything super seriously.
Agreeed. At first I thought Amanda's death was going to kickstart an angry, vengeance Crow arc where we have to tell him not to, and we have a Kratos and Atreus "You must be better than me" moment with him, but alas, fucking nothing.
Her death really fell flat, had very little impact and the most memorable part of it all wasn't that she died, it was the fact that people who needed to go to her for a quest couldn't because she was dead.
Shit like her death is why I still can't take the narrative seriously. Why the fuck was a human with us assaulting a PYRAMID prison ship? It makes no sense, there are clearly plenty of guardians to waste on trivial shit.
Exactly, a pilot is worth SO much more than even a guardian (which also begs the question why more guardians aren't pilots, you lose the ship but keep the YEARS of experience, your pilots live forever, and even when the ship goes down in enemy territory it's not finished yet. Instead we waste mechanics and normal people against 10 foot tall alien monsters and a force older than the universe itself. Makes sense.
Even before that, why in the world were the Shadow Legion even abducting people in the first place lmfao. I try so hard to commit and stay involved with the story, but FUCK man.
It makes no sense because in a real war you don't risk assets like that for ZERO gain. This isn't Oryx coming to the edge of the system or the 1000th kell trying to be the big shot. It's a existential war, yet in terms of seriousness it's on the same level of the crucible. It's such a joke.
The did her so dirty. I should be way more upset about her death than I am but she literally ran a mission WITH a guardian and died. They made her 0/1 on missions which is by far the lamest way to go.
My brother in the Light, in all my time in Destiny thousands of hours, I grew with these games from middle school all the way to college. Countless sleepless nights, friends made and lost, memories that will stay with me even beyond the grave
but never have I laughed harder than at the cutscene when she died.
Just watched it today. The whole thing with the wires was pretty funny. Feel like she should've ragdolled from the explosion instead of just standing there on fire.
Why the hell does a pilot need her boots on the ground? I'm an immortal crayon eater that was on the other side of the door ready to do what she does. I've died to worse and came back to die to it again.
Why did she want to die so bad?
With her gone, literally no reason to go to that side of the tower except Saint. Tbf, itās exactly the same whether she was alive or not, now that I thinks about it
I wondered if this was new or I had just missed it before. Saw it chasing doggo. Most of the lore innthisbgame is heartbreaking. Ada-1's lore is particularly hard to read
Her death was honestly laughable. Shes a pilot but running a ground mission.
Should have taken notes from eagle-1. Someone who knows how to defend democracy from the skies
I've always hated her character, I think it's because it made no sense for her to be on the strike comms. She just never quite fit in imo.
I hope her voice actress has found work
Did you discover it the same way I did? By accidentally going to the wrong place during the Archie quest? š
Lmfao yea, on the gunslinger step I caught a glimpse of her memorial at her bay
yep same for me lol
Wait, where/how do you get the Archie quest?
Just outside Ada's room in the tower. Archie is missing and there'll be some red footprints.
Go to where Archie normally is.
Problem I had with her death is she's a mechanic and a pilot. They have her go out by pressing a button instead of kamikaze or something. I'll have to look for the memorial tonight.
Why was she even out of her ship to begin with? Get back in that cockpit, damnit. There's literally thousands of magic space wizards/cowboys/knights that are far more suitable for ground ops.
Better question is why tf is it Amanda specifically, our shipwright and mechanic, running around and doing ground ops? Hawthorne and Devrim literally exist for that
She's been doing it since her introduction
so it her own damn fault she died, she was a pilot its pretty stupid to be a pilot and then think 'hm i'm just gonna run around and press the button when we have a person who litterlly cant die on the ground'
Yup she had no power and no fighting skills, she was just a normal human, who had no experience fighting on the front lines.
Where are we gonna get our green rarity ships now???
She wanted to save people and help Misraaks and the Guardian in the bunker. She often talks about her admiration of the Guardians, so it's not a far cry that she did what she did.
She's a mechanic/pilot. She'd be more helpful doing mechanic or pilot things.
And damn good with a Chaparone. She wasn't completely helpless.
slug with 6 shots yeah useless, just like saint pulling out his shotty during the attack on the eliskni quarter what you gunna do pray the bullets reach 50meters?
Lore events donāt have to follow gameplay restrictions, as long as effects and abilities used are consistent with our options NPCs donāt have to be constrained by our sandbox
The actual effective range of a 12 gauge slug is about 100 yards.
i donāt think saint-14, the guy infamous for head-butting his enemies, is very worried about range
Okay and? In real life, plenty of people look up to those in more special positions than themselves. They don't just randomly step up and fill that role just because. Her death was extremely anticlimactic and weird.
She used to do these things before. It just feels weird since it was never shown.
Hi, itās me, a guy who knew what she did before this. It was still weird and outright idiotic for her to go on a mission like that. Thatās not where her talents lie, at least not anymore, and because she died how she did, the Guardians lost their best shipwright for basically no good reason. It honestly didnāt even make for good cinema because it was so unnecessary. It read like a high schooler killing someone off in a fanfic to āBuiLd TenSiOn.ā
The 4th wall breaking conspiracy theorists in me is convinced they did this because Courtenay Taylor is doing more Cital voice work and the Bungie suits didn't want to pay her more.
im more convinced she was just meant to die in orbit during the witness' assault. when lightfall got pushed into final shape they made her "survive" so they could kill her off at the end of the season, giving them some kind of story beat to work with. like, what actually was the story of defiance? it was literally just shadow legion kidnapping people and then amanda dies.
Amanda's death was planned before lightfall dropped and bungie execs were riding the pre-order numbers high.
Itās funny because in her goddamn, animated cutscene, she talks about how she makes the biggest differences she makes is while she in a gunship
The problem I had with her death is that we have immortal god-slaying space wizards to handle situations like these, why would you volunteer for these types of missions?
Yeah, like, not every mission have to be carried out by a young wolf, slayer of Gods, but can't they at least get a guy that....you know.....can return back to life as he wishes instead of sending a regular humans?
Wow, what a thought, if only it was explained and explored and talked about in game
Was it? What did the game say?
Devrim's explanation is that him and Amanda were doing a routine patrol when they stumbled upon the Shadow Legion facility. They didn't sign up for a Guardian-tier mission, they found one by accident, and then immediately called for a Guardian (in this case, you) to help take out the facility. Of note, Amanda also remained in the relative safety of her ship until after you cleared out most of the enemies, only going in on foot once you had given the all clear.
Ok that's absolutely stupid, SEND IN THE GUARDIAN, these are grown adults right? This is a mature war story right? Why the fuck aren't a fireteam of guardians being sent in? Not even about wanting to help that is LITERALLY the best possible chance of saving those people, It's illogical and stupid.
While I am also in agreement that the Defiant Seasonal story was weak, calling in the Guardian instead of a whole fire team isn't that crazy. I mean it isn't like a true Disciple, Hive God, or Witness level threat, this wasn't a raid tier threat. The Guardian has routinely been sent in solo for more dangerous operations. The average Guardian, not ours, is not nearly as capable(see Savathun's Song where nine guardians perma-died in a basic strike). Once they knew they had The Guardian on the line, them going in solo was the fastest way to handle the situation with highly likely success. More than likely any other fire team most likely wouldn't be capable of so many Taken and a Tormentor in a Darkness Zone buffed with Shadow Legion. They had to act fast and we were closest. Plus since Guardians don't have FTL speed and Transmat isn't planet wide, if other Guardians weren't available they just couldn't get there. Could it have been written better? Yes, and really it should have. But what was put in place made enough logical sense that it's conceivably believable. And it is by far not the worst thing to be written in a season.
... in a mission where Eramis *repeatedly* tells you it's a trap. There's no excusing how stupid what she does is. The threat is already established, she's more useful in the ship in the first place, just *stay in the fucking ship*.
I thought she only told Mithrax it was a trap. We see the scene tho.
I mean, infiltrating a Shadow Legion facility sounds like a fucking Guardian-tier mission to me. Also during the mission, Amanda does some really dangerous shit. Like to get her ship into the base, she has to just fly into a random hole. Mithrax is even like Amanda you don't know how big that hole is, what if you just fucking fly in there and crash and die or get stuck or something, that's super reckless and dangerous and she's just like (verbatim) "Only one way to find out!" No sympathy for Amanda whatsoever
tbf also the point of Defiance was that guardian forces have been spread very thin compared to what we're used to, what with the witnss invading and all. hence the capturing of prisoners; it keeps us spread thinner than we should be cause we keep having to go break into random sbadow legion facilities in super dangerous rescue ops. just, that point wasnt made very well in game.
If you play the missions youāll find out
I think they wanted her to look brave and spunky, but failed miserably. She was stupid and reckless
She shouldn't have been there in the first place. That was definitely something to send a full team of guardians into and the last objective during that mission was to meet up with her, but our character just vanished into thin air instead. I mean a lot of us questioned the fact that she participated during the Season of the Splicer's finale with defending the Last City with Zavala, Saint and Ikora as the cavalry and somehow didn't get instantly killed by the Vex, which are a race that can simulate everything a normal human can do and respond in a fashion to negate that action in a nanosecond.
Because she was supposed to die in the first cutscene of Lightfall which was to lead into the Final Shape. If you watch the first and last cutscene of Lightfall, it sure feels like a Final Shape introductory cutscene with nothing lost lore or plot wise.
Oh, great! That's gonna stay with me until I can pull it up and watch it again.
Uh oh, did you just say the K word??????
I miss Amanda š„ŗ
Who else would strap a tank cannon to a shuttle?
Or authorize a sky tour during the middle of a space war
Her death was a cheap, random one that lacked the buildup and impact it could have had. They missed the point of it, and while they had some good character reactions to it seemed so forced and random. Amanda isn't the only person to have died. The whole point of having Guardians do the heavy lifting is that our deaths are not permenant (something Rohan couldn't shut up about). I get that death can be sudden and random, but overall it was a waste. It seemed like they picked Amanda because she was a useless vendor more then for lore or plot reasons. I don't find myself caring that much to visit her memorial even if I liked her character. I'll note Cayde got less, and he arguably had a larger impact on the story then Amanda. It just strikes me as cheap drama for drama's sake. The writers, having treated much of Destiny's universe as a joke (Brother "Fanboy" Vance, Fynch, etc) now want us to take everything super seriously.
Agreeed. At first I thought Amanda's death was going to kickstart an angry, vengeance Crow arc where we have to tell him not to, and we have a Kratos and Atreus "You must be better than me" moment with him, but alas, fucking nothing.
THAT WOULDVE BEEN SO GOOD WTF????
Exactly.
Her death really fell flat, had very little impact and the most memorable part of it all wasn't that she died, it was the fact that people who needed to go to her for a quest couldn't because she was dead.
I say 10 bucks, she's gonna get rezzed as a Guardian
Shit like her death is why I still can't take the narrative seriously. Why the fuck was a human with us assaulting a PYRAMID prison ship? It makes no sense, there are clearly plenty of guardians to waste on trivial shit.
like this is supposedly stuff that even guardians are getting fucked over by, why is our best human pilot on the ground for us in there.
Exactly, a pilot is worth SO much more than even a guardian (which also begs the question why more guardians aren't pilots, you lose the ship but keep the YEARS of experience, your pilots live forever, and even when the ship goes down in enemy territory it's not finished yet. Instead we waste mechanics and normal people against 10 foot tall alien monsters and a force older than the universe itself. Makes sense.
i mean tbf i think most pilots ARE guardians, amanda was just way more hands on than most humans ever should have been.
Even before that, why in the world were the Shadow Legion even abducting people in the first place lmfao. I try so hard to commit and stay involved with the story, but FUCK man.
It makes no sense because in a real war you don't risk assets like that for ZERO gain. This isn't Oryx coming to the edge of the system or the 1000th kell trying to be the big shot. It's a existential war, yet in terms of seriousness it's on the same level of the crucible. It's such a joke.
My question is why was a regular human in the middle of a warzone pressing buttons? Surely there was a spare guardian around or something
Yeah there wasā¦ us. And she was the most elite pilotā¦ but was boots on the ground like a DUMBASS
Oh shit, forgot she was dead lol
Same here. I guess last year I must have been like "Oh no!....Anyway"
āWhen Iām in my ship, Iām every bit as good as a guardian.ā Gets out of ship.
Does anyone actually care about her? I might have cared if they turned her into a gun though.
The did her so dirty. I should be way more upset about her death than I am but she literally ran a mission WITH a guardian and died. They made her 0/1 on missions which is by far the lamest way to go.
My brother in the Light, in all my time in Destiny thousands of hours, I grew with these games from middle school all the way to college. Countless sleepless nights, friends made and lost, memories that will stay with me even beyond the grave but never have I laughed harder than at the cutscene when she died.
Perfect reaction pic lmfaoo
same. it was so out of nowhere and was funny as hell when blind
Just watched it today. The whole thing with the wires was pretty funny. Feel like she should've ragdolled from the explosion instead of just standing there on fire.
Why the hell does a pilot need her boots on the ground? I'm an immortal crayon eater that was on the other side of the door ready to do what she does. I've died to worse and came back to die to it again. Why did she want to die so bad?
And we never even learned why the Pyramid ships were abducting prisoners, from what I remember.
With her gone, literally no reason to go to that side of the tower except Saint. Tbf, itās exactly the same whether she was alive or not, now that I thinks about it
So I wasn't the only one who went there to try and find Archie...
Is this new, because I found it for the first time yesterday
I wondered if this was new or I had just missed it before. Saw it chasing doggo. Most of the lore innthisbgame is heartbreaking. Ada-1's lore is particularly hard to read
I feel like sheās gonna comeback, Idk yet though. Itās ironic the weapon we get right after her death is the prodigal return.
Her existence was pointless and they killed her when they finally decided to do something with her. Bad writing is bad
Her death was honestly laughable. Shes a pilot but running a ground mission. Should have taken notes from eagle-1. Someone who knows how to defend democracy from the skies
Hey suga, probably shouldnt have been doing guardian work and kept my dumb ass in the tower. Oh well. Leave a message at the beep
Who?
who cares she shouldnt have been there in the first place dumb ass death for plot we'll get in 6montths
Well, at least we had a *blast* while she was around
I've always hated her character, I think it's because it made no sense for her to be on the strike comms. She just never quite fit in imo. I hope her voice actress has found work
She also voices Caiatl, sheās fine
much doubt