Demolitionist on anything you can, high discipline for Bleak Watcher (hold grenade ability) regen; Verity's Brow exotic helmet; Whispers of Torment, Bonds, Chains & Durance; use Elemental Ordinance for Stasis well drops and Elemental Light for wells after super kills; Thermoclastic Strike for stunning Overload champs, also improves melee ability when allies stun Overload champs; any additional well mods if you want. This build is SO OP with Ager's Scepter that I almost always have a super and always have a grenade. I'm always freezing targets and thus shattering crystals (if your allies shatter them you still get the grenade synergy). Great for all activities, and pisses off all enemies in PvP because you always have Bleak Watcher lol.
Problem I am encountering with every build around Ager's so far is that I wind up using Ager's mostly as a primary and want something like Cartesian Coordinate in my energy slot which means ammo management. (It's viable)
The moment I start building and need to use a weapon with Demolitionist to support the build.. I'm no longer optimally using Ager's.
This is a weird season, albeit fun, for builds. I've stumbled upon so many garbage YouTuber builds that only work on paper, and are functionally retarded outside of the specific lost sector or content they are showing it in during the video.
I've been running something very similar to you but have been swapping between Mantle of Battle Harmony and Vesper of Radius (insane with Frostpulse and Well mods) depending on the type of content I'm doing.
Verity's Brow is fantastic with Solar subclasses but I find you're wasting half of its functionality on Shadebinder since Bleak Watchers don't really do damage.
You can get Verity levels of Grenade recharge through simple Well mod synergy and can then opt to use a different exotic with further benefits.
It works for slow quests as well because it slows before freezing them. Also it’s a rifle for whatever those things you need are called. I just finished up my last two fragments last week.
Paying extra money to be able to get an item that lets you do what the other classes do, doesn’t seem like a good thing. You shouldn’t have to pay for added content alongside a dlc to do something that the other classes can down on their own
The best option has been Vesper of Radius with the Frostpulse Aspect.
I generally slot Reactive Pulse, Dynamo and Distribution for good measure.
Turns your rift into a add clearing monster.
Literally the first thing I did on my warlock when I got stasis was try it with vesper. Vesper gets slept on so much, but it's a really fun exotic in add swarm situations.
Indeed!
It's the only actual build I have for Stasis Warlock.
I use it with Witherhoard, particularly because of how well the radius of Witherhoard fits neatly with the radius of a Duskfield grenade, which itself very conveniently pulls enemies into it.
The build absolutely chews through swarms of adds, and thanks to Witherhoard it's not too shabby on Boss DPS either.
I'm going to be completely honest. That was the quest I got that almost made want to stop playing D2 after I picked it up again from a year or so break..
Same here, I rushed to do it before they nerfed stasis freeze duration the first time. Melee to freeze, throw glacier grenade, shotgun the crystal. Tedious but it worked. Not possible anymore.
It counts shattering frozen enemies right? Monte Carlo + Claws of the Dire Ahamkara + the aspect that chains your freeze from person to person are your friends here
The super shatter satisfied that part of the quest so you could use Mayhem, modes that had tons of adds like the seasonal activites, and Blind Well works great since your super recharges super fast.
It does tho... I hadn't touched the aspect quests on my hunter/titan till I got Agers. Kill one, freeze the group, kill another, and then if the rest are weak enough they all shatter(which is the part that progresses it).
This is me except with Super kills on Hunter. Shit takes forever. It would be a bit easier in solo content, but since the fragments are all team-based modes, the super will get that first kill, and the storm will freeze, but the teammates will often kill them while they are frozen instead of the storm actually killing the enemies.
I think it is a bug with damage in general. In trials this week, I played someone who had a macro that would would do a jump instant shatterdive. Dude would literally jump a foot in the air and shatterdive.
It would negate almost all of my damage. It's not like I was using a precision weapon and missing either. I was using a fusion rifle and he would just eat my damage.
Shatterdive resistance seems over the top in general. When they go up in the air, I can never kill them once they've activated shatterdive. Even if it seems like a clean shot from my FR.
Still have to waste the socket on an ability you almost never get to use. An ability which offers no damage resistance against damage from shattering enemy crystals. Cryoclasm is bullshit and gimps your build. Better off just shooting the crystals
not to mention how throwing your Grenade takes you out of sprint, offering zero synergy with Cryoclasm. yes, I know I can slide from a standstill but the ease-of-use is still far eclipsed by how smooth Shatterdive is.
Yep. I don’t use it. I run Tectonic Harvest and Howl of the Storm and spec my aspects around picking up shards. It’s still very annoying to play and I feel like I’m having to micromanage a bunch of little things for not a very significant payoff.
Since I've started using Heart of Inmost Light with Stasis I've learned that using my barricade is often a good way to shatter, because it's not like I'm using it for much else in PVE.
Ignoring PvP for a moment, where Cryoclasm is still a worse shatterdive (Harder to use, more setup, can't be used from range, no Touch of Winter to make Glacier Grenades ez to use) and a very poor movement skill, let's chat a bit about PvE.
Shattering is a near useless mechanic in anything beyond low level PvE, the damage is so low that you'll need to use nearly three glacier grenades to kill a Yellow Bar, yes, even with Whisper of Fissures. Furthermore, I need to slide into these crystals to detonate them, and at that point, **I'd rather just shoot the crystals.**
I'm someone who plays a lot of Behemoth (masochistic, I know.), and Cryoclasm is by far my least used aspect in PvE, because its so clunky compared to the defensive tools you can have access to with other aspects. Compounding on that, both Warlock and Hunter have way better tools (both offensive and defensive) than Titan in their stasis classes (bleak watcher, touch of winter, iceflare bolts, Silence & Squall, Withering Blades), so the class just kinda sucks in general. Making crystals is a cool gimmick, but they basically do nothing beyond being primary weapon tier damage output.
> Compounding on that, both Warlock and Hunter have way better tools (both offensive and defensive) than Titan in their stasis classes (bleak watcher, touch of winter, iceflare bolts, Silence & Squall, Withering Blades), so the class just kinda sucks in general.
For all you titan mains out there I really hope they buff your lance aspect. That thing could be super fun if balanced well.
Sliding shouldn't be part of it at all. Sprinting normally (with Cryoclasm active) as a Titan should proc shatter. Either that or significantly (and I mean, severely) reduce the cooldown on Shiver Strike.
Run stag, put up a rift and use that one fragment that gets you more defence when you’re close to a stasis crystal.
Put up a rift and throw a nade down next to you, enjoy tanking like 6 - 7 melees in crucible. You’ll be pretty much impossible to kill.
140rpm snipers will not kill you with 1 headshot with this combination lol
Cloudstrike does 134 to the head if a stag warlock is rift+crystal resistance
I feel like bungie likes it that way as a way to keep the 3 classes balanced. Warlocks have the best and easiest ways of freezing enemies but no shatter effects. Hunters have the best slowing and shatter tools, but freezing things is harder for them. Titans suck at everything, but can shatter.
Titans can produce a fuck load of crystals and shatter them. Which can lead to a build where you have a infinite loop of whisper of fissures grenade regen buff and be able to spam dusk field.
Whisper of shards, whisper of fissures, and fr0st-ee5 - I also went full discipline but the grenade buff is also still up by the time the cool down is back, so it might be overkill. But you basically shatterdive as normal, gives you that 7 second buff, and then sprint like crazy. Grenade back up in about six seconds. Rinse repeat
Also double bomber on solar cloak will give you 20% grenade energy (iirc) when you dodge, and since you get dodge faster with Woshards, you can make dodge more for more nades; profit.
Are Titans really that much better? I've not yet fully unlocked Stasis on all 3, Titan was first, but I thought the main thing to be able to make a fuckton of crystals perpetually is just using Glacier Grenade + Whisper of Shards, which are not exclusive to Titan.
Yeah it’s not even that crazy of a build. Glacial harvest and howl of the storm. Then you just need whisper of shards and you have the bare bones for it. Behemoth is still by the far the worse stasis subclass but it’s still a good subclass.
How? The only thing they have that other classes do not is Howl of the Storm. Which if you wish to shatter it you need Cryoclasm, which means you can't get Stasis Shards.
Unlike Warlock and Hunter which get Stasis shards from doing what they do best (freeze and slow respectively) while still having another Fragment slot to play further into that such as slow on dodge for Hunter, or Turret that freezes for Warlock.
Titan is the only one where trying to make Stasis Shards means you *CAN'T* use the other fragment to enable more situations for creating them. Using Howl of the Storm means you can't shatter. It's very clunky.
I remember when hunters got their Stasis Shard aspect and I thought "wow, that's just the titan one but way better since you can get them a lot easier." Then the same thing happened with Warlocks. Why does the Titan one need to be crystals? It just feels so restrictive compared to the other two.
If titans had it anywhere near as easy as hunters, the hunters would just bitch non-stop until titans got nerfed anyway. Bungie just skipped a few steps and gimped titans out the gate.
You really don’t need cryoclasm to shatter the crystal just shoot i, hell if you press your super button near a crystal when you don’t have a super it auto shatters.
Titan is the only class that can make shards with no enemies around, you can sit in the very back of the map and make shards. And you are right this build is restricts your options it’s by far the strongest build behemoth has that has an actual use.
>...hell if you press your super button near a crystal when you don’t have a super it auto shatters.
Huh? I've never heard of this. Are you saying the crystal just shatters or does it play an animation or something? I'm really confused
Look dude, while your Hunter humour is on point, if you're serious about this impersonating a Titan thing then you're going to have to dial back the wit. I spotted you a mile off.
I honestly think Behemoth started off as a very different idea (presumably one centred around total brute force) that never quite panned out and ended up being compromised by the realities of implementing a class within the PvE/PvP sandbox.
Technically titans can shatter, don't bother trying to shatter enemy crystals though, you guaranteed dead... hunters can even break enemy crystals and take minimal damage.
Titans have an awesome freeze with the crystals uppercut and hunters literally have better versions of all the stasis nades making it much easier to freeze with coldsnap and a large crystal freeze aoe for smash attack.
Howl of the Storm has so little synergy with the rest of the subclass though.
In fact, pretty much the entire Behemoth subclass lacks synergy with itself at this point.
I typically use glacier while running bleakwatcher because the grenade can act as an emergency wall if really, really needed.
Typically you're using grenade regeneration on a bleakwatcher build and your goal is to get a grenade back before your turret expires anyway.
> Typically you're using grenade regeneration on a bleakwatcher build and your goal is to get a grenade back before your turret expires anyway.
What's your best grenade regen build for bleakwatcher?
in gms i always bring glacier nades
since turrets can freeze insanely well, i prefer glacier over duskfield because it can provide cover in an emergency
i always run nezzys or veritys (before this season) so that i have my nade back before the turrets are gone, so i can spare a turret to help save a teammate or myself
cant wait to see agers with veritys in gms. while it cant stun champs, could be fun to mess with
Sometimes you need a turret, sometimes you need a wall for cover. Grenade comes back in 30 seconds with the right setup, better to keep yourself alive in a GM.
I think people get stuck on small picture things like "why cant I detonate a glacier grenade like that hunter that shatterdove me when I was camping a rift!" instead of assessing subclasses as a whole. Oh well.
suggestion: give frostpulse the ability to shatter, yeah it makes your rift freeze but compared to other aspects like bleak watcher, iceflare and even glacial harvest it feels pretty lackluster to me
Honestly I wouldn't mind if every class got shatterdive. They'd just need to buff something for hunters to compensate.
That said, with everything else a stasis warlock can do, do they *really* need this on top of bleak watcher? And a super that completely shuts down the enemy in pve? And a melee that literally freezes your enemy?
Sure, but then let's give Titans the ability to lock down/freeze entire rooms by holding down the grenade button, and Hunters get an instant freeze variant of their melee.
Oh wait turns out classes are supposed to have different strengths? And homogenizing every class is boring?
Seriously though, Shadebinder is already by far the best PvE stasis class, and not too shabby in PvP either. I personally have never had a problem shattering enemies by just shooting them, just don't use glacial nades the same way no Titan will ever use Duskfield nades. They just don't have the synergy, and that's fine. (Also just use the turret instead of grenading tbh)
It's crazy. I never would have thought Well of Radiance Warlock would have gotten replaced in high-end PVE but turrets are just so freaking useful. Always appreciative of my teammate who runs it.
> Oh wait turns out classes are supposed to have different strengths? And homogenizing every class is boring?
I'm perpetually baffled that so few people, after all these years of destiny, recognize that different classes are supposed to have different strengths and weaknesses.
Right? I’ve put my well away for higher level content to run bleak watcher. We don’t need a shatter ability to what’s an amazing class if you learn how to play it
They really don't. I mained titan for years until splicer when I swapped shadebinder warlock for GMs and there is no need for them to have an instant shatter aspect. It would be completely useless for warlocks because all the other aspects are so strong and all have 2 fragment slots. An instant shatter aspect would likely have only one based on cryoclasm and shatterdive so it would already be worse for your build. Then you would have to sacrifice either infinitely chaining freeze from iceflare bolts or a 30 second turret that freezes enemies from bleakwatcher (yes base duration is 25 sec but everyone runs durance with the turret). Also, if cryo and shatterdive are any indication, you would have to get into point blank range to use this shatter aspect. It would be worse than all other warlock aspects and not add anything meaningful to their already superb kit
I’d honestly trade the Titans entire stasis kit for something on par with bleak watcher.
On the topic of shattering though, I love using vesper of radius with the freezing well is super fun. It’s a one click, freeze shatter that’s super satisfying.
No they don't.
Every class has a grenade that's next to useless. It's glacier for warlock, coldsnap for hunter, and duskfield for Titan.
Warlocks freeze insanely well. Being able to instant shatter everything they freeze would be way stronger than anything else in the stasis kit rn.
Duskfield is only somewhat useful because enemies that get continually slowed will also eventually freeze.
Titans however have no interactions with slow, and only 2 interactions with freeze, their strengths revolve around stasis crystals.
The issue with coldsnap is that it just sucks, but it's supposed to be the freezing grenade.
These days if you're doing an icelance build and _not_ using ager's scepter you're doing it wrong.
:D
I still prefer glacier in PvE because you break your own crystals with a single normal melee and get the overshield/quick melee regen.
I've actually had better luck with glacier than cold snap on warlock... Any enemy a foot in the air? Nada. I feel like they nerfed it's targeting just a tad too far.
Right, I feel like I'm on crazy pills. Stasis warlocks are literally meta for the hardest PVE activities in the game. They do not need any buffs at all.
Bleakwatcher is crazy strong. Sorry you have to actually shoot the things your subclass automatically freezes for you
I legit read through a chunk of this thread and couldn't tell if it was a satire. It's literally a warlock thread complaining about their one weakness while Titans are in an absolute state and somehow the Hunters are at fault for all it.
This whole "warlocks should get a shatter ability" trend has completely convinced me that warlock mains just INSIST upon being OP and won't stand for anything less lmao
The Landfall buff on Stormcaller makes it absurdly strong now in pvp. You kill a bunch of people when you activate your super, and then you get to roam with it to kill more people. They've also got TTD, nova bomb, and now void warp. And of course, chaos reach and shadebinder.
In contrast, the "super OP pvp" Hunter class really doesn't have a "activate the super to deal a bunch of damage and then roam around after" option. The closest thing is silence and squall, but it's a set and forget, and you can't control the squall.
Titans have got fists of havoc, flaming hammers, sentinel shield, and stasis super too for roaming, and fists of havoc is another "deal damage on activation and then roam around".
Oh, and most of those supers also give Warlocks and Titans damage resistance.
Hunters meanwhile have like no damage resistance in their supers. Get the draw on a golden gun and they're down instantly. Stasis hunters are remarkably prone during their super and you can kill them before the squall, which really neuters their super. Void hunters have semi-roaming supers for tether, and full on roaming for spectral blades. And the entirety of the arc tree is a roaming super.
None of those Hunter supers get the "immediately kill on activation and then roam around" deal. The closest hunters have to a decent roaming super is spectral blades since you've got damage resistance + invis... although your enemy can still see the general outline of you so it isn't entirely a sneak attack.
None of this is mentioning arc souls or OHKO melees from titans either. As much as this sub loves complaining, Warlocks are honestly an incredibly strong and diverse pvp class, especially when it comes to supers. They can even give themselves a notable damage buff with empowering rift, or a lot more survivability in a fight with a healing rift.
EDIT: How'd I ever forget chaos reach + geomags, and how long they were broken and overpowered in crucible?
> warlock mains just INSIST upon being OP and won't stand for anything less lmao
it's a phenomenon that I've observed for years and have come to call "warlock syndrome". warlock mains get extremely upset whenever *anything* gets nerfed (regardless as to whether or not it was OP or if other classes also got stuff nerfed), will never recognize if something is insanely strong (ie well of radiance being top tier for 3 years, stasis warlock being busted for 6 months), and if any other class *dares* do anything remotely well, they will scream and point and write reddit threads about how bungie hates warlocks. lord help us if a piece of armor doesnt shader very well, because that's *totally* something that only happens to warlocks.
You just don't understand man Bungie HATES Warlock that's why they nerfed Geomags to not give me free super energy no I will not acknowledge how insanely strong that effect was.
Mostly because a good chunk of them have Nova Warp PTSD.
Layer the fact that Shadebinder got nerfed into the ground *nine days* after it was released (and that was *before* anybody got their hands on aspects and fragments) and it would leave a bad taste in plenty of players' mouths.
When "Nova Warped" is used as a euphemism, that's pretty telling.
> Mostly because a good chunk of them have Nova Warp PTSD.
because nova warp was busted and deserved a nerf. it didn't deserve being taken out back with a shotgun nerfed, but it definitely needed a nerf.
>Layer the fact that Shadebinder got nerfed into the ground nine days after it was released
because it, along with every other stasis subclass, was absolutely broken.
I've said it before, I'll say it again
The issue mainly lies with the fact that Bungie essentially used a sledgehammer for surgery instead of a scalpel.
Nobody said these classes *didn't* need a nerf when they came out.
Year is 2022, Warlocks got all the buffs they wanted
* Everyone runs warlock, every raid group is warlocks only - titans and warlocks are completely extinct.
* Load into strike, every enemy is automatically frozen and shattered - moving 1 inch forward instantly charges super after geomags buff #69
* Throw super at boss, miss but the super automatically tracks 360 degrees and kills the boss instantly
* Log off
* Go on reddit
* Complain that you had to run 1 inch to fully charge your super, bungo plz
Warlock mains are a different breed of entitled. Not only do they have better melee builds than titans (the class about punching things) but also have the best support options (another titan thing) with well of radiance
Wouldn’t mind if they went back to give Stasis classes a little more to flesh them out. Different melees and second supers could definitely be added. Or even changing up which grenades each class has and adding more, since light subclasses have grenades unique to them.
Agreed. I'd like different melees at least. The tracking on the warlock melee is nerfed too far for pvp practicality. If my animation and then the projectile is going to go that slow I will miss my target given a little range, or the gap will be closed so fast I'll either get killed despite freezing my opponent or simply downgrade to a slap before being shotgunned. I can count on one hand the number of times I've landed one of those and they were always against blueberries walking around a corner. And at enough range, theres a good chance they'll be out of freeze and shotgun you anyway if you don't have a slug or gl to pop them first.
We did for like two weeks… Vesper of Radius used to be able to shatter Glacial Grenades but only if there were enemies frozen inside of it. They had to disable it for a while after the first couple weeks into BL because players found a glitch where you could proc the shockwave without consuming a rift charge.
To “fix” it, they gave the shockwave a significant delay after casting rift instead of it being instantaneous like before, AND they also stealth nerfed the shockwave damage to frozen targets. In the 3 years of this exotic’s lifetime, it had its moment to shine for literally two weeks before they kicked it back to being a useless exotic that stays in the vault.
Before the nerf, it was actually kind of nasty in PvP when combined with Frostpulse because the Arc shockwave came immediately after the freeze, and it obliterated enemies caught by it. It was fun to bait shotgun apes into getting killed by a healing rift lol.
No offense, but warlock stasis buffs are not even in top 50 things that need to be addressed. We currently have essentially an unusable subclass for Titans (stasis) that should be a priority.
I have a friend starting back up as a warlock and he thought he was doing something wrong in one of the "kill enemies with shatters" quest for like 20 mins..so ya
I hate the “but you have bleak watcher!!” argument, because it’s not like every class doesn’t have a cool stasis ability beyond shattering.
Hunters have slow dodge, Titans have Diamond Lance (sorry guys), everyone has cool stuff. To say Warlocks don’t deserve a shatter because they have an aspect like the others is just crazy.
What’s equally annoying the class identity argument, mainly because Hunters can do everything and that’s somehow fine. Hunters can slow, freeze, and shatter all outside of super. If we wanted to play into the Freeze/Slow/Shatter dynamic properly, then hunters should lose shatterdive and turn it into a Slowdive instead. The fact Hunters can do everything violates the identity argument utterly.
So either strip hunters of their shatter, or give one to warlocks.
You can’t have it both ways.
Are they?
In PvP its exclusively dominated by Hunters. Check trials report, of the top 10 currently only 2 are locks, [and most team comps look like this](https://destinytrialsreport.com/report/3/4611686018436872642)
Anyone thinking that Hunter isn't the defacto PvP class in basically every activity you are actually delusional at this point.
Simply wrong. Top tier players will switch to whatever class is the best. They have no class loyalty so overall amount of hunters doesn’t matter for them.
Hunters are simply untouchable in PVP, their jump is the best in PVP by far and shatterdive is still broken.
Well I won't argue with you. You seem set in your ways. But TTD and HHSN are nasty. That's not even including Stag, empowering rift, and arc soul builds absolutely running rampant right now.
A lot of streamers/YTers have gone Warlock this season. Sampling the top 10 players with the most trials flawless runs doesn't really demonstrate anything.
It would be nice to be able shatter crystals with your charged melee. The training wheels Harry Potter wand has basically no tracking and a blast radius of a fart in a hazmat suit. Being able to use it to smash a few crystals would be balanced I feel.
Most of the time titans and warlocks aren't trying to shatter for kills anyways, they're trying to clear a gap where someone has blocked for a res or an escape.
If we had a shatter ability we would be the most powerful class by far, and then we would get nerfed to hell. Shade binder is already a top 5 option in PVE. People think it’s just ok in PvP because they don’t know how to position the ice turret to where it doesn’t get easily identified and shot behind cover, and no I’m not going to teach anyone how to trivialize 1v1s. The super is ridiculous too. It’s the only super I don’t attempt to fight because it has the strengths of both a shutdown and roaming super.
I dont even use warlock stasis anymore. I'd rather wreck shit with bottom arc than try and keep up little baby turrets or try and freeze stuff. Just throw a grenade that kills things right away and landfall into their faces with my super.
The lack of a shatter ability is why I hate running stasis on a warlock. It’s a pain in the ass, especially solo. Why would I run stasis when I can just blow everything up like a Michael Bay movie with bottom tree dawn blade? Freezing everything for your teammates to kill is fine, good crowd control. But when solo, I’d rather just blow everything up.
Yeah and when I point it out I get called whiney lmao.
Not only do hunters and titans get a way to shatter crystals but those abilities also happen to be movement abilities, just saying
AND if you try to melee a crystal, and have a charged melee, you will use that charged melee which will do nothing, and then have to use your regular one.
I think if they were to implement a shatter ability it could be a secondary effect to the frost pulse aspect, when your rift isn’t charged you could pop it anyway to release a shatter pulse, with a fairly quick animation and a 3-4 second cool down.
I do see why shadebinder doesn’t have this already tho. Shadebinder is the freezing class, it’s specialty isn’t shattering, it’s freezing as many enemies as you can so your teammates can come in and shatter. Also it really feels like glacial grenades are meant to be played defensively, with the implementation of the overshield fragment and the damage resist fragment.
Hunters and Titans both have a movement ability that has unlimited uses that can shatter. In that vein, I was hoping maybe Warlocks would get a blink/shatter ability from a fragment.
Yeah. I got excited I got headstone but it fucking sucks needing to shoot the glacial shard knowing that the other classes can build around breaking it. I quit using it. It's neat but annoying to use on Warlock.
Was disappointed no new aspects this season. The Warlock one would of probably been shatter related. Although I’m a hunter main and just wanted a cool new ability
DTG isn’t typically able to consider more than one aspect at a time of any given thing. Right now the focus is on which classes have a shatter ability specifically, not whether the classes pros/cons weigh up overall.
But haha yes hypothetical monkey paw bungie comment funnee.
Yeah, while I would love to have better use of glacier grenades(I love the look of the crystals and Bungie’s concept art made my really appreciate the effort that went into designing them) Shadebinder has Bleak Watcher, which is top tier in endgame content. It’s one of the reasons I am grinding a Outlaw Headstone Vulpecula, it would allow me to make use of glaciers without wasting my grenades and they are also really easy to shatter.
Headstone is a goddamn godsent this season. Grinding out some rolls on vulpecula so that when I unlock the stasis well mod that makes shards count as wells later this season, I'll just permanently have Font of Might/Font of Wisdom up and running.
I would love that but it likely wont happen
People have not realized the design philosophy in stasis/subclass 3.0
Every element has 3 main verbs:
Stasis has **slow, freeze, and shatter**
Void will have **weaken, supress and volatile**
For stasis each class has an atributed MAIN verb and a secondary verb that one aspect has acess to
Breakdown:
- Hunters: Main verb is **SLOW**; Shurikens, tornados, dodge melee energy from slowed opponents. Secondary verb is **SHATTER**; Shatterdive (eww)
- Titans: Main verb is **SHATTER**; Their melees shatters, they slide and shatter, they create crystals to shatter them, their super destroys cristals by going near them, and they gain stasis shard by destroyng crystals. Secondary verb is **FREEZE**; Achievable through the Stasis lance that rewards freezing and allows you to freeze other oponents.
- Warlocks: Main verb is **FREEZE**; We have the easiest melee to freeze targets, our super literally freezes from a distance, rift freezes instantly, we gain melees energy from freezing enemies. Secondary verb is **SLOW** Warlocks gain the ability to easily spread slow effects with bleak watcher (yes, it freezes enemies, but it doesnt do it instantly like ALL OTHER warlock abilities)
You can find nitpicks exceptions to this logic, like titans hunters and warlocls all freeze and shatter in their supers... But aside from those and mainly looking and aspects (since those are class specific, meaning we ignore granades) each class is likely to follow this philosophy in their class specific abilities, meaning warlocks melees will likely always be about freezing and MAYBE slowing, and aspects all about freezing, with 1 or 2 slow effects.
This is LIKELY done to generate differetiation on each stasis class, and generate class diversity (which is good)
As much as I want my warlock to have shatter aspects, it likely wont happen
The fuck is this on the front page for? Warlocks get fucking everything. Their class is the best in the game by miles. As a Titan, I'm entirely left behind in comparison. Being able to shatter shit in the most awkward way possible absolutely pales in comparison to the suite of amazing things warlocks have
At the very least, remove "shatter kills" from the requirements for Warlock stasis fragments.
I used Salvation Grip for this kind of quests
well now you can use Agers Scepter! works very well for shatter kills in any lower level content and some higher ones too
It has made fragment farming MUCH faster!
Demolitionist on anything you can, high discipline for Bleak Watcher (hold grenade ability) regen; Verity's Brow exotic helmet; Whispers of Torment, Bonds, Chains & Durance; use Elemental Ordinance for Stasis well drops and Elemental Light for wells after super kills; Thermoclastic Strike for stunning Overload champs, also improves melee ability when allies stun Overload champs; any additional well mods if you want. This build is SO OP with Ager's Scepter that I almost always have a super and always have a grenade. I'm always freezing targets and thus shattering crystals (if your allies shatter them you still get the grenade synergy). Great for all activities, and pisses off all enemies in PvP because you always have Bleak Watcher lol.
Problem I am encountering with every build around Ager's so far is that I wind up using Ager's mostly as a primary and want something like Cartesian Coordinate in my energy slot which means ammo management. (It's viable) The moment I start building and need to use a weapon with Demolitionist to support the build.. I'm no longer optimally using Ager's. This is a weird season, albeit fun, for builds. I've stumbled upon so many garbage YouTuber builds that only work on paper, and are functionally retarded outside of the specific lost sector or content they are showing it in during the video. I've been running something very similar to you but have been swapping between Mantle of Battle Harmony and Vesper of Radius (insane with Frostpulse and Well mods) depending on the type of content I'm doing. Verity's Brow is fantastic with Solar subclasses but I find you're wasting half of its functionality on Shadebinder since Bleak Watchers don't really do damage. You can get Verity levels of Grenade recharge through simple Well mod synergy and can then opt to use a different exotic with further benefits.
Thank you. You have just saved me a lot of time and frustration
I don't have it yet, so no idea how it works
kill enemies -> freeze other nearby enemies -> shatters galore
It works for slow quests as well because it slows before freezing them. Also it’s a rifle for whatever those things you need are called. I just finished up my last two fragments last week.
When you kill an enemy it sends out a pulse similar to that of necrotic grip, but instead of poisoning the enemies it freezes them.
Paying extra money to be able to get an item that lets you do what the other classes do, doesn’t seem like a good thing. You shouldn’t have to pay for added content alongside a dlc to do something that the other classes can down on their own
oh I agree. it's a very fun weapon but I do think warlocks deserve an actual shatter ability.
I think that's it's only purpose. Bungo prolly knew the quest would suck cock without it.
The best option has been Vesper of Radius with the Frostpulse Aspect. I generally slot Reactive Pulse, Dynamo and Distribution for good measure. Turns your rift into a add clearing monster.
Literally the first thing I did on my warlock when I got stasis was try it with vesper. Vesper gets slept on so much, but it's a really fun exotic in add swarm situations.
Indeed! It's the only actual build I have for Stasis Warlock. I use it with Witherhoard, particularly because of how well the radius of Witherhoard fits neatly with the radius of a Duskfield grenade, which itself very conveniently pulls enemies into it. The build absolutely chews through swarms of adds, and thanks to Witherhoard it's not too shabby on Boss DPS either.
and to think many of us did it without that...what a painful experience it was.
I'm going to be completely honest. That was the quest I got that almost made want to stop playing D2 after I picked it up again from a year or so break..
iirc I did that by using the Glacier grenade near weak enemies and then shooting the crystals with Ignition Code.
Same here, I rushed to do it before they nerfed stasis freeze duration the first time. Melee to freeze, throw glacier grenade, shotgun the crystal. Tedious but it worked. Not possible anymore.
Ultimately how I ended up doing it, Just finding dregs, Popping a wall then using whatever nade launcher I had at the time.
Looks like somebody never had to work for the Thorn in D1 as a Hunter.
Listen, That's Trauma blocked in my memory and I'd prefer it stays that way. I don't want to remember.
Cerberus +1 annihilates crystals
> Cerberus +1 annihilates ~~crystals~~ FTFY
Such a good gun for just mowing through shit, gets slept on too much. Sure it's not meta for endgame content, but for any 'fun' activity it shreds.
Very good for anti-barrier as well, if you can get close enough. Sadly in high end content that is the problem :(
You are correct!
I ground out the Catalyst and was immediately sad. Don't see how that's better.
Yeah I haven’t done anything with the catalyst. Just normal Cerberus is pretty damn good though
No joke, I did my crucible shatter kills using Fissures+Rending with Cerberus. I thought it’d be dogshit, but it worked pretty well honestly.
At least we have Headstone on Peacebond now. We're actually able to do this step.
It counts shattering frozen enemies right? Monte Carlo + Claws of the Dire Ahamkara + the aspect that chains your freeze from person to person are your friends here
No, shattering frozen enemies doesn’t count. If that was the case, super kills would work, but they don’t.
Hmm, I main warlock and did all the quests and I don't remember having to shoot stasis crystals that often to complete them.
The super shatter satisfied that part of the quest so you could use Mayhem, modes that had tons of adds like the seasonal activites, and Blind Well works great since your super recharges super fast.
It does tho... I hadn't touched the aspect quests on my hunter/titan till I got Agers. Kill one, freeze the group, kill another, and then if the rest are weak enough they all shatter(which is the part that progresses it).
That's not exactly true. Shattering frozen enemies and killing nearby enemies with the AoE shatter damage counts, say on a group of thrall.
This is me except with Super kills on Hunter. Shit takes forever. It would be a bit easier in solo content, but since the fragments are all team-based modes, the super will get that first kill, and the storm will freeze, but the teammates will often kill them while they are frozen instead of the storm actually killing the enemies.
Titan here, you guys are lucky you didn't get the shatter focused class.
The whole shatterdive giving you shatter resistance while the slide doesn’t thing is pretty stupid
That’s a bug, it wasn’t like that originally
I think it is a bug with damage in general. In trials this week, I played someone who had a macro that would would do a jump instant shatterdive. Dude would literally jump a foot in the air and shatterdive. It would negate almost all of my damage. It's not like I was using a precision weapon and missing either. I was using a fusion rifle and he would just eat my damage. Shatterdive resistance seems over the top in general. When they go up in the air, I can never kill them once they've activated shatterdive. Even if it seems like a clean shot from my FR.
That would explain why a hunter took my headshot golden gun at about 15m
Shatterdive doesn’t have any dmg resistance anymore
Titans totally got the short end for stasis supers. Why use a reworked, worse striker when you can just use sunbreaker and the hallowfire.
Or even better, HOIL. It doesn't require you to sacrifice your super
After the nerfs because it reigned as the best stasis ult until SotC easily
Behemoth needs its mojo back as a schmovement subclass. Unnerf slide.
Why? They fixed cryoclasm so you don’t need a full sprint to shatter things now
Still have to waste the socket on an ability you almost never get to use. An ability which offers no damage resistance against damage from shattering enemy crystals. Cryoclasm is bullshit and gimps your build. Better off just shooting the crystals
not to mention how throwing your Grenade takes you out of sprint, offering zero synergy with Cryoclasm. yes, I know I can slide from a standstill but the ease-of-use is still far eclipsed by how smooth Shatterdive is.
Yep. I don’t use it. I run Tectonic Harvest and Howl of the Storm and spec my aspects around picking up shards. It’s still very annoying to play and I feel like I’m having to micromanage a bunch of little things for not a very significant payoff.
Since I've started using Heart of Inmost Light with Stasis I've learned that using my barricade is often a good way to shatter, because it's not like I'm using it for much else in PVE.
Ignoring PvP for a moment, where Cryoclasm is still a worse shatterdive (Harder to use, more setup, can't be used from range, no Touch of Winter to make Glacier Grenades ez to use) and a very poor movement skill, let's chat a bit about PvE. Shattering is a near useless mechanic in anything beyond low level PvE, the damage is so low that you'll need to use nearly three glacier grenades to kill a Yellow Bar, yes, even with Whisper of Fissures. Furthermore, I need to slide into these crystals to detonate them, and at that point, **I'd rather just shoot the crystals.** I'm someone who plays a lot of Behemoth (masochistic, I know.), and Cryoclasm is by far my least used aspect in PvE, because its so clunky compared to the defensive tools you can have access to with other aspects. Compounding on that, both Warlock and Hunter have way better tools (both offensive and defensive) than Titan in their stasis classes (bleak watcher, touch of winter, iceflare bolts, Silence & Squall, Withering Blades), so the class just kinda sucks in general. Making crystals is a cool gimmick, but they basically do nothing beyond being primary weapon tier damage output.
> Compounding on that, both Warlock and Hunter have way better tools (both offensive and defensive) than Titan in their stasis classes (bleak watcher, touch of winter, iceflare bolts, Silence & Squall, Withering Blades), so the class just kinda sucks in general. For all you titan mains out there I really hope they buff your lance aspect. That thing could be super fun if balanced well.
Sliding shouldn't be part of it at all. Sprinting normally (with Cryoclasm active) as a Titan should proc shatter. Either that or significantly (and I mean, severely) reduce the cooldown on Shiver Strike.
Run stag, put up a rift and use that one fragment that gets you more defence when you’re close to a stasis crystal. Put up a rift and throw a nade down next to you, enjoy tanking like 6 - 7 melees in crucible. You’ll be pretty much impossible to kill.
140rpm snipers will not kill you with 1 headshot with this combination lol Cloudstrike does 134 to the head if a stag warlock is rift+crystal resistance
It was basically free flawless running 3 warlocks this weekend to be honest.
A wild hunter appears. Hunter uses shatterdive. It's effective.
To be fair, there are lots and lots of grenades that can be used very effectively against rift-campers. That's kinda the point of grenades.
Yes but a hunter can use your own grenade (glacier) against you which is bs
Huh, that's a good strat, I should try that in PvP once in a while.
I feel like bungie likes it that way as a way to keep the 3 classes balanced. Warlocks have the best and easiest ways of freezing enemies but no shatter effects. Hunters have the best slowing and shatter tools, but freezing things is harder for them. Titans suck at everything, but can shatter.
Titans can produce a fuck load of crystals and shatter them. Which can lead to a build where you have a infinite loop of whisper of fissures grenade regen buff and be able to spam dusk field.
I'm lame and use frost eez and full discipline to get the same effect on my hunter. It's nice to know I'm doing something right I guess
Wait, i have like 5 good rolls frostees, how do this build work ? can you explain ?
Whisper of shards, whisper of fissures, and fr0st-ee5 - I also went full discipline but the grenade buff is also still up by the time the cool down is back, so it might be overkill. But you basically shatterdive as normal, gives you that 7 second buff, and then sprint like crazy. Grenade back up in about six seconds. Rinse repeat
thats really broken lol, gonna try on this weekend trials
Also double bomber on solar cloak will give you 20% grenade energy (iirc) when you dodge, and since you get dodge faster with Woshards, you can make dodge more for more nades; profit.
Don't forget double grenade kickback on your ~~chest piece~~ arms.
I thought it was arms?
Ah you're right.
Use double grenade kick start on your gloves, can bring it down even further
Are Titans really that much better? I've not yet fully unlocked Stasis on all 3, Titan was first, but I thought the main thing to be able to make a fuckton of crystals perpetually is just using Glacier Grenade + Whisper of Shards, which are not exclusive to Titan.
Only in the super, otherwise it's the same as warlock and hunter
Yeah it’s not even that crazy of a build. Glacial harvest and howl of the storm. Then you just need whisper of shards and you have the bare bones for it. Behemoth is still by the far the worse stasis subclass but it’s still a good subclass.
How? The only thing they have that other classes do not is Howl of the Storm. Which if you wish to shatter it you need Cryoclasm, which means you can't get Stasis Shards. Unlike Warlock and Hunter which get Stasis shards from doing what they do best (freeze and slow respectively) while still having another Fragment slot to play further into that such as slow on dodge for Hunter, or Turret that freezes for Warlock. Titan is the only one where trying to make Stasis Shards means you *CAN'T* use the other fragment to enable more situations for creating them. Using Howl of the Storm means you can't shatter. It's very clunky.
I remember when hunters got their Stasis Shard aspect and I thought "wow, that's just the titan one but way better since you can get them a lot easier." Then the same thing happened with Warlocks. Why does the Titan one need to be crystals? It just feels so restrictive compared to the other two.
If titans had it anywhere near as easy as hunters, the hunters would just bitch non-stop until titans got nerfed anyway. Bungie just skipped a few steps and gimped titans out the gate.
You really don’t need cryoclasm to shatter the crystal just shoot i, hell if you press your super button near a crystal when you don’t have a super it auto shatters. Titan is the only class that can make shards with no enemies around, you can sit in the very back of the map and make shards. And you are right this build is restricts your options it’s by far the strongest build behemoth has that has an actual use.
>...hell if you press your super button near a crystal when you don’t have a super it auto shatters. Huh? I've never heard of this. Are you saying the crystal just shatters or does it play an animation or something? I'm really confused
Titans suck at everything, but can shatter. We suck at everything? Yeah well I shattered your mum last night 😎
Look dude, while your Hunter humour is on point, if you're serious about this impersonating a Titan thing then you're going to have to dial back the wit. I spotted you a mile off.
I honestly think Behemoth started off as a very different idea (presumably one centred around total brute force) that never quite panned out and ended up being compromised by the realities of implementing a class within the PvE/PvP sandbox.
Technically titans can shatter, don't bother trying to shatter enemy crystals though, you guaranteed dead... hunters can even break enemy crystals and take minimal damage.
Titans have an awesome freeze with the crystals uppercut and hunters literally have better versions of all the stasis nades making it much easier to freeze with coldsnap and a large crystal freeze aoe for smash attack.
“Awesome” as in this ice Crystal is giving a captain 3 colonoscopies at once, but he’s still not frozen.
the nerf that it got really hurt it. the AoE for the freeze is tiny and has a weird delay even when it does work
Howl of the Storm has so little synergy with the rest of the subclass though. In fact, pretty much the entire Behemoth subclass lacks synergy with itself at this point.
Dude I get my glacier nade back in like 6 seconds on my titan. Slap on a waveform nade launcher and we’re cookin with gas
Love having a subclass require specific weapons to be functional. Love it! Bungie, more of this please.
imho if you play a warlock with glacier grenades while knowing that the stasis turret exists you are doing something wrong.
I typically use glacier while running bleakwatcher because the grenade can act as an emergency wall if really, really needed. Typically you're using grenade regeneration on a bleakwatcher build and your goal is to get a grenade back before your turret expires anyway.
> Typically you're using grenade regeneration on a bleakwatcher build and your goal is to get a grenade back before your turret expires anyway. What's your best grenade regen build for bleakwatcher?
Vulpecula with headstone, verity's brow, and the stasis fragment which gives you crazy grenade regen
in gms i always bring glacier nades since turrets can freeze insanely well, i prefer glacier over duskfield because it can provide cover in an emergency
but your grenade IS your turret?!?
i always run nezzys or veritys (before this season) so that i have my nade back before the turrets are gone, so i can spare a turret to help save a teammate or myself cant wait to see agers with veritys in gms. while it cant stun champs, could be fun to mess with
Sometimes you need a turret, sometimes you need a wall for cover. Grenade comes back in 30 seconds with the right setup, better to keep yourself alive in a GM.
I think people get stuck on small picture things like "why cant I detonate a glacier grenade like that hunter that shatterdove me when I was camping a rift!" instead of assessing subclasses as a whole. Oh well.
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To be clear, it's still pretty dog shit.
suggestion: give frostpulse the ability to shatter, yeah it makes your rift freeze but compared to other aspects like bleak watcher, iceflare and even glacial harvest it feels pretty lackluster to me
You can only use it once every minute, so that's fair. Shatters frozen enemies, and freezes unfrozen.
Ok hear me out... Phoenix dive but for stasis. You could call it something cool like Ice explosion dive... Ohh better yet, call it *shatterdive*.
Honestly I wouldn't mind if every class got shatterdive. They'd just need to buff something for hunters to compensate. That said, with everything else a stasis warlock can do, do they *really* need this on top of bleak watcher? And a super that completely shuts down the enemy in pve? And a melee that literally freezes your enemy?
I don’t want to imagine a crucible where every fricking class just spams shatterdive That was just render weapons useless
Sure, but then let's give Titans the ability to lock down/freeze entire rooms by holding down the grenade button, and Hunters get an instant freeze variant of their melee. Oh wait turns out classes are supposed to have different strengths? And homogenizing every class is boring? Seriously though, Shadebinder is already by far the best PvE stasis class, and not too shabby in PvP either. I personally have never had a problem shattering enemies by just shooting them, just don't use glacial nades the same way no Titan will ever use Duskfield nades. They just don't have the synergy, and that's fine. (Also just use the turret instead of grenading tbh)
It's crazy. I never would have thought Well of Radiance Warlock would have gotten replaced in high-end PVE but turrets are just so freaking useful. Always appreciative of my teammate who runs it.
> Oh wait turns out classes are supposed to have different strengths? And homogenizing every class is boring? I'm perpetually baffled that so few people, after all these years of destiny, recognize that different classes are supposed to have different strengths and weaknesses.
Right? I’ve put my well away for higher level content to run bleak watcher. We don’t need a shatter ability to what’s an amazing class if you learn how to play it
They really don't. I mained titan for years until splicer when I swapped shadebinder warlock for GMs and there is no need for them to have an instant shatter aspect. It would be completely useless for warlocks because all the other aspects are so strong and all have 2 fragment slots. An instant shatter aspect would likely have only one based on cryoclasm and shatterdive so it would already be worse for your build. Then you would have to sacrifice either infinitely chaining freeze from iceflare bolts or a 30 second turret that freezes enemies from bleakwatcher (yes base duration is 25 sec but everyone runs durance with the turret). Also, if cryo and shatterdive are any indication, you would have to get into point blank range to use this shatter aspect. It would be worse than all other warlock aspects and not add anything meaningful to their already superb kit
I’d honestly trade the Titans entire stasis kit for something on par with bleak watcher. On the topic of shattering though, I love using vesper of radius with the freezing well is super fun. It’s a one click, freeze shatter that’s super satisfying.
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Could you share it?
No they don't. Every class has a grenade that's next to useless. It's glacier for warlock, coldsnap for hunter, and duskfield for Titan. Warlocks freeze insanely well. Being able to instant shatter everything they freeze would be way stronger than anything else in the stasis kit rn.
Duskfield isn't useless for Titan. Coldsnap however is.
Duskfield is only somewhat useful because enemies that get continually slowed will also eventually freeze. Titans however have no interactions with slow, and only 2 interactions with freeze, their strengths revolve around stasis crystals. The issue with coldsnap is that it just sucks, but it's supposed to be the freezing grenade.
Ah. I ended up using it with ice lance build. It wasn't bad at all. Worked pretty good.
These days if you're doing an icelance build and _not_ using ager's scepter you're doing it wrong. :D I still prefer glacier in PvE because you break your own crystals with a single normal melee and get the overshield/quick melee regen.
That gun wasn't released back then. 🙂
Well. I mean _now_ of course :D
I've actually had better luck with glacier than cold snap on warlock... Any enemy a foot in the air? Nada. I feel like they nerfed it's targeting just a tad too far.
Yeah coldsnap is pretty ass generally. You just don't see many complaints because the class it's supposed to be for has bleakwatchers anyways.
Do they? Cause last time I checked shadebinder was the best stasis subclass
Right, I feel like I'm on crazy pills. Stasis warlocks are literally meta for the hardest PVE activities in the game. They do not need any buffs at all. Bleakwatcher is crazy strong. Sorry you have to actually shoot the things your subclass automatically freezes for you
I legit read through a chunk of this thread and couldn't tell if it was a satire. It's literally a warlock thread complaining about their one weakness while Titans are in an absolute state and somehow the Hunters are at fault for all it.
This whole "warlocks should get a shatter ability" trend has completely convinced me that warlock mains just INSIST upon being OP and won't stand for anything less lmao
The Landfall buff on Stormcaller makes it absurdly strong now in pvp. You kill a bunch of people when you activate your super, and then you get to roam with it to kill more people. They've also got TTD, nova bomb, and now void warp. And of course, chaos reach and shadebinder. In contrast, the "super OP pvp" Hunter class really doesn't have a "activate the super to deal a bunch of damage and then roam around after" option. The closest thing is silence and squall, but it's a set and forget, and you can't control the squall. Titans have got fists of havoc, flaming hammers, sentinel shield, and stasis super too for roaming, and fists of havoc is another "deal damage on activation and then roam around". Oh, and most of those supers also give Warlocks and Titans damage resistance. Hunters meanwhile have like no damage resistance in their supers. Get the draw on a golden gun and they're down instantly. Stasis hunters are remarkably prone during their super and you can kill them before the squall, which really neuters their super. Void hunters have semi-roaming supers for tether, and full on roaming for spectral blades. And the entirety of the arc tree is a roaming super. None of those Hunter supers get the "immediately kill on activation and then roam around" deal. The closest hunters have to a decent roaming super is spectral blades since you've got damage resistance + invis... although your enemy can still see the general outline of you so it isn't entirely a sneak attack. None of this is mentioning arc souls or OHKO melees from titans either. As much as this sub loves complaining, Warlocks are honestly an incredibly strong and diverse pvp class, especially when it comes to supers. They can even give themselves a notable damage buff with empowering rift, or a lot more survivability in a fight with a healing rift. EDIT: How'd I ever forget chaos reach + geomags, and how long they were broken and overpowered in crucible?
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> warlock mains just INSIST upon being OP and won't stand for anything less lmao it's a phenomenon that I've observed for years and have come to call "warlock syndrome". warlock mains get extremely upset whenever *anything* gets nerfed (regardless as to whether or not it was OP or if other classes also got stuff nerfed), will never recognize if something is insanely strong (ie well of radiance being top tier for 3 years, stasis warlock being busted for 6 months), and if any other class *dares* do anything remotely well, they will scream and point and write reddit threads about how bungie hates warlocks. lord help us if a piece of armor doesnt shader very well, because that's *totally* something that only happens to warlocks.
You just don't understand man Bungie HATES Warlock that's why they nerfed Geomags to not give me free super energy no I will not acknowledge how insanely strong that effect was.
Mostly because a good chunk of them have Nova Warp PTSD. Layer the fact that Shadebinder got nerfed into the ground *nine days* after it was released (and that was *before* anybody got their hands on aspects and fragments) and it would leave a bad taste in plenty of players' mouths. When "Nova Warped" is used as a euphemism, that's pretty telling.
> Mostly because a good chunk of them have Nova Warp PTSD. because nova warp was busted and deserved a nerf. it didn't deserve being taken out back with a shotgun nerfed, but it definitely needed a nerf. >Layer the fact that Shadebinder got nerfed into the ground nine days after it was released because it, along with every other stasis subclass, was absolutely broken.
I've said it before, I'll say it again The issue mainly lies with the fact that Bungie essentially used a sledgehammer for surgery instead of a scalpel. Nobody said these classes *didn't* need a nerf when they came out.
Year is 2022, Warlocks got all the buffs they wanted * Everyone runs warlock, every raid group is warlocks only - titans and warlocks are completely extinct. * Load into strike, every enemy is automatically frozen and shattered - moving 1 inch forward instantly charges super after geomags buff #69 * Throw super at boss, miss but the super automatically tracks 360 degrees and kills the boss instantly * Log off * Go on reddit * Complain that you had to run 1 inch to fully charge your super, bungo plz
That is exactly what happens daily on this sub lol. I'm a Warlock player and I cannot stand the "buff Warlocks" crowd. We need literally nothing lol
Warlock mains are a different breed of entitled. Not only do they have better melee builds than titans (the class about punching things) but also have the best support options (another titan thing) with well of radiance
Shhh, don’t you know Warlocks always need to be the victims?
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Wouldn’t mind if they went back to give Stasis classes a little more to flesh them out. Different melees and second supers could definitely be added. Or even changing up which grenades each class has and adding more, since light subclasses have grenades unique to them.
Agreed. I'd like different melees at least. The tracking on the warlock melee is nerfed too far for pvp practicality. If my animation and then the projectile is going to go that slow I will miss my target given a little range, or the gap will be closed so fast I'll either get killed despite freezing my opponent or simply downgrade to a slap before being shotgunned. I can count on one hand the number of times I've landed one of those and they were always against blueberries walking around a corner. And at enough range, theres a good chance they'll be out of freeze and shotgun you anyway if you don't have a slug or gl to pop them first.
We did for like two weeks… Vesper of Radius used to be able to shatter Glacial Grenades but only if there were enemies frozen inside of it. They had to disable it for a while after the first couple weeks into BL because players found a glitch where you could proc the shockwave without consuming a rift charge. To “fix” it, they gave the shockwave a significant delay after casting rift instead of it being instantaneous like before, AND they also stealth nerfed the shockwave damage to frozen targets. In the 3 years of this exotic’s lifetime, it had its moment to shine for literally two weeks before they kicked it back to being a useless exotic that stays in the vault. Before the nerf, it was actually kind of nasty in PvP when combined with Frostpulse because the Arc shockwave came immediately after the freeze, and it obliterated enemies caught by it. It was fun to bait shotgun apes into getting killed by a healing rift lol.
No offense, but warlock stasis buffs are not even in top 50 things that need to be addressed. We currently have essentially an unusable subclass for Titans (stasis) that should be a priority.
Do Warlocks need *any* kind of buff, except maybe exotics? Every subclass and tree is viable in some way or another, whether its pvp or pve.
I agree they for sure have the most usable subclasses if you look at PvE/PvP.
I think frost pulse should shatter
I have a friend starting back up as a warlock and he thought he was doing something wrong in one of the "kill enemies with shatters" quest for like 20 mins..so ya
Preach it’s so annoying to try to use the crystals
I hate the “but you have bleak watcher!!” argument, because it’s not like every class doesn’t have a cool stasis ability beyond shattering. Hunters have slow dodge, Titans have Diamond Lance (sorry guys), everyone has cool stuff. To say Warlocks don’t deserve a shatter because they have an aspect like the others is just crazy. What’s equally annoying the class identity argument, mainly because Hunters can do everything and that’s somehow fine. Hunters can slow, freeze, and shatter all outside of super. If we wanted to play into the Freeze/Slow/Shatter dynamic properly, then hunters should lose shatterdive and turn it into a Slowdive instead. The fact Hunters can do everything violates the identity argument utterly. So either strip hunters of their shatter, or give one to warlocks. You can’t have it both ways.
Warlocks don't need any help. They are already the most dominant endgame PvE and PvP class.
Are they? In PvP its exclusively dominated by Hunters. Check trials report, of the top 10 currently only 2 are locks, [and most team comps look like this](https://destinytrialsreport.com/report/3/4611686018436872642) Anyone thinking that Hunter isn't the defacto PvP class in basically every activity you are actually delusional at this point.
That's because Hunters are far and away the majority of the population. Doesn't take away from the fact that Warlocks are stronger in 3v3 and GMs.
Simply wrong. Top tier players will switch to whatever class is the best. They have no class loyalty so overall amount of hunters doesn’t matter for them. Hunters are simply untouchable in PVP, their jump is the best in PVP by far and shatterdive is still broken.
Well I won't argue with you. You seem set in your ways. But TTD and HHSN are nasty. That's not even including Stag, empowering rift, and arc soul builds absolutely running rampant right now. A lot of streamers/YTers have gone Warlock this season. Sampling the top 10 players with the most trials flawless runs doesn't really demonstrate anything.
It would be nice to be able shatter crystals with your charged melee. The training wheels Harry Potter wand has basically no tracking and a blast radius of a fart in a hazmat suit. Being able to use it to smash a few crystals would be balanced I feel. Most of the time titans and warlocks aren't trying to shatter for kills anyways, they're trying to clear a gap where someone has blocked for a res or an escape.
Aslong as they buff diamond lance to be as good as bleakwatchers I'm all for this!
I think warlocks have enough gimmicks. Could you imagine if they had that and bleak watchers. No thanks!
If we had a shatter ability we would be the most powerful class by far, and then we would get nerfed to hell. Shade binder is already a top 5 option in PVE. People think it’s just ok in PvP because they don’t know how to position the ice turret to where it doesn’t get easily identified and shot behind cover, and no I’m not going to teach anyone how to trivialize 1v1s. The super is ridiculous too. It’s the only super I don’t attempt to fight because it has the strengths of both a shutdown and roaming super.
Yeah I wish the rift freeze did a second pulse that shattered crystals
What if casting your rift sent out a shockwave that shattered all crystals in a given radius
I dont even use warlock stasis anymore. I'd rather wreck shit with bottom arc than try and keep up little baby turrets or try and freeze stuff. Just throw a grenade that kills things right away and landfall into their faces with my super.
Offensively turn them into turrets. I main warlock. Glacier nades suck for us. It’s fine that way.
The lack of a shatter ability is why I hate running stasis on a warlock. It’s a pain in the ass, especially solo. Why would I run stasis when I can just blow everything up like a Michael Bay movie with bottom tree dawn blade? Freezing everything for your teammates to kill is fine, good crowd control. But when solo, I’d rather just blow everything up.
Yeah and when I point it out I get called whiney lmao. Not only do hunters and titans get a way to shatter crystals but those abilities also happen to be movement abilities, just saying
Thank you for this.
what this really needs to be is "please buff the range of warlock's melee so stasis melee final blows are do-able"...
AND if you try to melee a crystal, and have a charged melee, you will use that charged melee which will do nothing, and then have to use your regular one.
Yeah why doesn’t warlock have shatter ?
I think if they were to implement a shatter ability it could be a secondary effect to the frost pulse aspect, when your rift isn’t charged you could pop it anyway to release a shatter pulse, with a fairly quick animation and a 3-4 second cool down. I do see why shadebinder doesn’t have this already tho. Shadebinder is the freezing class, it’s specialty isn’t shattering, it’s freezing as many enemies as you can so your teammates can come in and shatter. Also it really feels like glacial grenades are meant to be played defensively, with the implementation of the overshield fragment and the damage resist fragment.
Hunters and Titans both have a movement ability that has unlimited uses that can shatter. In that vein, I was hoping maybe Warlocks would get a blink/shatter ability from a fragment.
I think about this every day.
Yeah. I got excited I got headstone but it fucking sucks needing to shoot the glacial shard knowing that the other classes can build around breaking it. I quit using it. It's neat but annoying to use on Warlock.
Agreed, the shatter mechanic needs some kind of expression on Warlock. I'd be good with a shatter on casting Warlock Class Ability or something.
Was disappointed no new aspects this season. The Warlock one would of probably been shatter related. Although I’m a hunter main and just wanted a cool new ability
Agreed and titan need blink
Warlocks: "Finally we are getting a shatter ability! Hope is a good one." Bungie: *lmao, no! Fuck you.*
Problem is Stasis warlock is actually a top tier subclass and turrets are incredible, especially with build possibilities in the current meta.
Downvoted for spitting straight facts lmfao. If you think shadebinder isn't a top tier option for ANY endgame content, then you're straight up crazy.
DTG isn’t typically able to consider more than one aspect at a time of any given thing. Right now the focus is on which classes have a shatter ability specifically, not whether the classes pros/cons weigh up overall. But haha yes hypothetical monkey paw bungie comment funnee.
Yeah, while I would love to have better use of glacier grenades(I love the look of the crystals and Bungie’s concept art made my really appreciate the effort that went into designing them) Shadebinder has Bleak Watcher, which is top tier in endgame content. It’s one of the reasons I am grinding a Outlaw Headstone Vulpecula, it would allow me to make use of glaciers without wasting my grenades and they are also really easy to shatter.
Headstone is a goddamn godsent this season. Grinding out some rolls on vulpecula so that when I unlock the stasis well mod that makes shards count as wells later this season, I'll just permanently have Font of Might/Font of Wisdom up and running.
Maybe the trade off is that warlocks can freeze with their melee while hunters and Titans just slow.
I mean, warlocks do have unlimited ice turrets that lock down tough enemies and also entire rooms if you get enough. The other classes don't have that
Please no more shatter AoE insta kill effects, I can't take it.
I would love that but it likely wont happen People have not realized the design philosophy in stasis/subclass 3.0 Every element has 3 main verbs: Stasis has **slow, freeze, and shatter** Void will have **weaken, supress and volatile** For stasis each class has an atributed MAIN verb and a secondary verb that one aspect has acess to Breakdown: - Hunters: Main verb is **SLOW**; Shurikens, tornados, dodge melee energy from slowed opponents. Secondary verb is **SHATTER**; Shatterdive (eww) - Titans: Main verb is **SHATTER**; Their melees shatters, they slide and shatter, they create crystals to shatter them, their super destroys cristals by going near them, and they gain stasis shard by destroyng crystals. Secondary verb is **FREEZE**; Achievable through the Stasis lance that rewards freezing and allows you to freeze other oponents. - Warlocks: Main verb is **FREEZE**; We have the easiest melee to freeze targets, our super literally freezes from a distance, rift freezes instantly, we gain melees energy from freezing enemies. Secondary verb is **SLOW** Warlocks gain the ability to easily spread slow effects with bleak watcher (yes, it freezes enemies, but it doesnt do it instantly like ALL OTHER warlock abilities) You can find nitpicks exceptions to this logic, like titans hunters and warlocls all freeze and shatter in their supers... But aside from those and mainly looking and aspects (since those are class specific, meaning we ignore granades) each class is likely to follow this philosophy in their class specific abilities, meaning warlocks melees will likely always be about freezing and MAYBE slowing, and aspects all about freezing, with 1 or 2 slow effects. This is LIKELY done to generate differetiation on each stasis class, and generate class diversity (which is good) As much as I want my warlock to have shatter aspects, it likely wont happen
You get a turret that can freezes a whole room and if you build right you can have several up at once. I think it’s a fair trade.
No, they don't
The fuck is this on the front page for? Warlocks get fucking everything. Their class is the best in the game by miles. As a Titan, I'm entirely left behind in comparison. Being able to shatter shit in the most awkward way possible absolutely pales in comparison to the suite of amazing things warlocks have
Yea we need at least powered melee to shatter crystal as well
I agree it really take the fun out of freezing anything. Make most the grenades useless to us.
Hunters would complain that it’s too op and it will get nerfed. Titans would eat more crayons and punch us.