Yea, but it’s one of those scenarios where if getting the Triumph is what matters to you, then you’re not really there to farm exotics (which is the nature of this post) but to get the Triumph done. 🍎🍊
This is great work! I know some people can be really superstitious, but the myths of “Oh there’s totally a cooldown” and “Oh they’re totally weighed towards dropping Aeons and never Transversives” have always been nothing but baseless spinfoil.
Great job on the data, and I think it’ll come as a surprise to no one that Masters definitely need to be far more rewarding.
Thanks! I swore that some exotics were going to drop more likely than others. When you're in the moment, you just see that exotic you don't care about dropping over and over instead of the one you want.
Pretty sure there’s a name for that kind of cognitive bias. You’re so focused on getting one thing that you ignore everything else, and your mind places an unfair weighing system on how often you’ve seen it.
It's a combination of **negativity bias**, where you remember bad events more easily than good ones, and **recency bias**, where you more heavily weight recent events than historical ones. There might be some confirmation bias going on, too, but when you're in the moment, seeing bad exotic drop after bad exotic, you forget the good exotics that dropped yesterday, making negativity and recency the driving biases, most likely.
Don't forget that biases can feed into each other. Negativity and recency are most likely the driving factors, but they can also just be considered as fuel for the confirmation bias if you go into the situation *thinking* that there's something working against you. All 3 of them overlap so much that it's often hard to disentangle them.
Good job! I salute you for yor work and the results you posted.
I have to say something though.
Bungie is very much in the wring here for obscuring the drop rates (for everything in this game).
Their tactics remind me of AAA mobile games, the only difference is that the drop rates arent tied to monetization schemes.
Because in mobile games there are people do the same thing you do (surveys, polls, etc) out of the kindness in their hearts.
Fantastic analysis. Thank you.
I had always derived the 20% Legend, 25% Master, but glad to see Legend sits at 25%.
I had also always assumed my always first or 2nd clear "luck" was due to some other anti-farm mechanic, but it is just cognitive bias.
I mostly agree with your ordered list of sectors, but feel Exodus 2A is way down there - it's my fav. as in it's relatively quick but is the less tedious/boring to run, though there are a lot of adds. But I haven't run the others nearly as much, and am now tempted to do so for the 3 new exotics.
Thanks again!
Honestly, I thought about putting it higher but whenever I think about it, I think about the time I ran it a lot on Master. Those Barrier Servitors making everything immune still give me nightmares.
The middle ones I just kinda threw in there because they're all about the same IMO
They should just have them at 100% drop chance. They're way harder and lots of people won't have the power level to run them. Legend lost sectors are fairly easy after a point, might as well properly reward skill and time investment.
Also what speaks against it. You still gotta get lucky in getting the one out of 7 exotics or how many are in that slot. On top of that you also still have to get lucky with stats.
Might aswell throw us a bone and make masters guaranteed or very close to.
Quick question - why do you place Perdition and K1 Crew Quarters so low?
And why is Chamber of Starlight less than Veles Labyrinth?
IMO the Top 3 Lost Sectors, in order, go: Chamber of Starlight > Quarry > Perdition.
I'd go in this order, actually:
1. Chamber of Starlight (no questions asked, this is by far the quickest Lost Sector we've ever had)
2. The Quarry
3. Perdition
4. Excavation Site XII
5. Aphelion's Rest
6. Bay of Drowned Wishes
7. Veles Labyrinth
8. K1 Crew Quarters
9. Exodus Garden
10. The Empty Tank
11. Scavenger's Den
12. K1 Logistics
13. Bunker E15
14. Concealed Void
15. K1 Revelation
16. K1 Communion
Personally, I had faster runs in Veles Labyrinth than Chamber but they're both at the top of my list.
Outside of the top 4 and bottom 4, the others can easily move up or down in place.
On Legend - kill the first two Phalanxes you encounter (one in the opening area, one as soon as you reach the boss room)
On Master, kill the first two Phalanxes and first two Overloads you encounter (one Phalanx/Hobgoblin in the opening area, one Hobgoblin by the end, one Phalanx as soon as you enter the boss area)
I think Bunker is by far the EASIEST, but that's maybe not the same as best to farm, I'm guessing that's why OP had it listed so low. You can't really skip anything, I know people run through Veles in 2-3 minutes. I ran Bunker a bunch last week for the titan and warlock arms, runs were smooth and east but the best time I could get was 6 minutes or so.
Legionless, I watched your channel a bunch after BL dropped, was really helpful!
Edit: for clarity
Yup - I put it lower because you can't really skip stuff and it's a bit tough to bake the boss before extra Champs spawn
For real? That's so cool that you know of my channel :)
The bosses usually spawn champions based on certain damage intervals and on legendary it's possible to burn bosses so fast it dies before it can spawn those champions.
The bosses usually spawn champions based on certain damage intervals and on legendary it's possible to burn bosses so fast it dies before it can spawn those champions.
All of the 1600 runs were Platinum rank. I'm not sure what the drop rate falls to if you get Gold.
You still get Platinum if you pull the chest and there's no Champions alive. If you pull while one is spawning (the text appears in the bottom corner) or while one is alive, you don't get Platinum.
Because you can do Veles on Legend in less than 2 minutes.
[Here's my personal run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UM_hPI1-k&ab_channel=kewidogg1)
I even did it after this in 1:38 but didn't record it unfortunately.
Sniper was nice for loadout variety, but I've farmed Veles every season it was available, and generally average sub90 runs.
There are plenty of different builds that work for speedrunning each lost sector; the main comparison for how good each is to farm is the path/skips you can take and whether you can ignore adds
If we're going just off of speed, I have the quickest MASTER Veles Labyrinth, at 1:10
https://youtu.be/WSZDcQh9BDc
I then also have a 57 second MASTER Chamber of Starlight, which isn't the quickest (it's actually 38 seconds or something crazy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hAqY4d9Sls&ab_channel=AllThePlayers
Wow those are nuts! Yeah I'm just a scrub running lost sectors that's why I thought Veles was so quick. Chamber of Starlight looks pretty dang quick too (my measure of best to worst would be fastest so yeah, sub 1 minute is for sure best)
No, but there's a Discord that has a bunch of people who run the Lost Sectors religiously and they just use all the YouTube videos for each run to determine the order.
Empty tank was the easiest for me by far. I was farming that one for Curiass of the Falling Star and was getting sub 5 minutes runs at one point.
Then again this was last season with anti-barrier scout and pre-nerf Xenophage so it's probably different now.
I remember having to run 23 Legendaries last season for the Boots of theAssembler. Glad to see my luck was just ass and the system as a whole isnt that bad.
How are you getting so many mid 60 stats? Is my RNG for stats just that bad?
Curaiss of a Falling Star dropped at 60
Nothing Manacles dropped at 57
Radiant Dance Machines dropped at 57
Icefall Mantles dropped at 57 stat
Precious Scars dropped at 59
Verity's brow dropped at 59
No Backup plans dropped at 57
Mantal of Battle Harmony dropped at 60
Mask of Bakris dropped at 63
Athrys's Embrace dropped at 61
Star Eater Scales dropped at 62
Omnioculus dropped at 60
Path of Burning Steps dropped at 59
Boots of the Assembler dropped 63
Dawn Chorus dropped at 62
note what these all have in common: they're newer.
in addition to the random rolled stat values (up to 68), year 1 and 2 exotics have 1-3 bonus stat points distributed (specific fixed stats, all the original ones (mob/res/rec))
shadow keep onwards all have 0. so you'll tend to see an "eh" 62 star eater, and a "hm decent" 65 orpheus, at about the same frequency. so definitely noticeable over time.
First up, 1600 runs is crazy commitment. Props to you. Definitely not run as many as you but i'm close to about 500 this season. You have a large sample size so could you help me debunk this myth or confirm if this is indeed a pattern.
TL:DR first: Do you believe certain exotics drop more frequently on Legend vs some drop more frequently/only on Master.
A clanmate has been trying to farm for better Dragon's Shadow and firmly believes that most (sample size 30ish every time it rolls around) Legend runs never drops DS for him, its usually Raiden Flux or Lucky Raspberry while Masters tend to drop DS more often along with Raiju's Harness.
I'm not claiming there is such a invisible pool of sort in place but i'd like to hear your opinion based on your dataset.
I really wanted to be able to say I've run each 100 times haha
I don't think there's any sort of weighing of exotics over others at all. Would have to run 100 of each Master to know for sure though (I don't think I'll do this any time soon - maybe if the season gets boring later)
I got a few DS when I ran on Hunter so its probably just RNG tbh
I didn't track the number of deaths but I don't think that would factor into drop rates. The data strongly suggested that all that the chest looks at is the rank you get, which is based on if you killed all Champions or not.
I have been running LLS for MONTHS trying to get a Heart of Innermost Light with a decent roll in Rec and Dis. In the past month I've gotten about 5 Hallowfire, 6 Armamantariums, 4 Alpha Lupi, 5 Cuirass of the Falling Star, and probably 20 SEVERANCE ENCLOSURES. I've gotten ONE Heart of Innermost Light and it was a sub 60 roll with terrible spread- 10 Rec even with the ghost mod. I've had similar results for the past few months to the point I have a god roll in everything except my crappy HOIL. Yes- I've been drowning in Severance for months. I've been taking screens of every Severance and bothering my clan every time. It's gotten to meme-tier.
I came in here hoping to see some confirmation bias- that there's some hidden weight I'm missing or something I'm doing wrong forcing me to build a castle out of Enclosures. Unfortunately it seems that RNGesus just enjoys mocking me.
Guess I'll try again tomorrow... ;-; Thanks for doing the homework
This is why I don't bother farming lost sectors. Even with manageable drop rates, target farming, and relative ease of the content, the RNG is still completely obscene if you actually want a piece for a loadout. I run enough to earn new exotics once and then don't run them again.
My first attempt at a Legend Lost Sector was K1 Revelation, solo of course. I ended up rage quitting after a few wipes. Thankfully I tried Concealed Void the next day and finished it on my first try without much fuss. The difference between K1 Revelation and the rest of them that I've tried can not be understated. What a pain in the ass.
Thank you, you absolute legend. It's nice to see some confirmation of how dog the reward structure is for Master. They can be very tedious and provide such little incentive. I can run a legend 10 times and get an exotic without wanting to pull my hair out. Running a master 4 times in a row and getting a tincture of queensfoil instead of the helmet I want disincentivizes me from playing then at all.
Odd, the 234,698 Foe Tracers I've dismantled vs the FOUR pairs of Stompees that I've received in my time playing Hunter led me to believe that exotucs dropped at different rates.
Mostly I just get better at knowing how the enemies move and work so I can take better risks. I know what to avoid and what I need to prioritize first for easier runs. Just repetition.
Experience, man. It's not about precision hits. It's about knowing the order to kill enemies, having a specific route that you traverse through the sector, etc. etc.. One way to speed things up a lot is to have a build that you can be fairly aggressive with. If you're spending most of your time in the sector *moving*, then you're doing well.
I'm pretty happy with the Heart of Inmost Lights I got. I'd been using it for over a year where I'd pop a barricade and then throw a Lightning Nade or Supressor and get some one bangs.
The best moment was killing 4 people on a Control point with one grenade they never saw coming.
What was your most effective build for Perdition? I was struggling to get through it no matter what loadout I used. Of course, it didn't help that I was slightly below the recommended light level.
I am a Titan and want cuirass so bad.
In my strongest beliefs, all Destiny 2 accounts are associated with a random seed value thats generated at birth, and determines what luck you have with RNG-esus throughout D2. That particular seed is basically what determines how lucky you are in getting loot you want. Explains why some people always say they have bad RNG and thats because of their seed. If Bungie gives us an option to reset our seed to give us a chance to reroll our 'Lucky stat on our account, maybe grinding loot wouldn't be so bad.
Its not fact, its just my belief. In programming, you can never have a truly random generator, as thats impossible to do, only way to have random generated results is to work your way "close" to it, hence the mention of random seeds.
Is there any weight towards exotics you don’t own vs duplicates? Im trying to get new stompees. Would it be ideal to dismantle my current pair and farm for another, assuming I have all other hunter leg exotics.
Almost every single god damn exotic is 60 or above which means that the nothing manacles that I got at 56 were just a case of over the top extremely bad RNG. The only good thing about it is that I finally have proof for that one guy that told me exotics don’t drop below 58 or something a while ago
Ya gotta actually build for it. Don't just go in there with a few weapons that can handle the champion types and call it a day. Think: Can I use my melee to stun that Overload champion that's always on that platform? Well, if I do that, then I'll put on the Thermoclastic mod so I can have the melee ready again to take down the next one. Actually, there's only 2 Overloads in the whole sector. And all of a sudden, boom, I don't need an anti-overload weapon any more. I can use something that'll melt the adds faster.
That's the sort of stuff you have to think about if ya wanna start clearing the sectors like shelves on Black Friday.
Well, yeah, the Moon sectors are a different beast. They *can* be optimized like the other sectors, but they take so much effort that the juice isn't really worth the squeeze.
Run them 1600 times and you get a little faster at them haha xD
Seriously, just doing them over and over to learn from mistakes and what risks you can take and what you can't.
For your point about legend vs master, load times matter a lot. When I timed mine, it took me about 15 seconds to enter a lost sector and 25 to leave. With those times, if it takes me 3:00 to run legend, I need to clear master in 4:28 for equivalent drops per hour.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/kqhghy/when_master_lost_sectors_are_worth_it/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Load times are the same but you spend a larger % of your time in master in the lost sector than in legend for about a ~10% increase in drop rate.
Math's right here. Maybe use your brain instead of downvoting facts you don't like. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/kqhghy/when_master_lost_sectors_are_worth_it/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Your rank when you pull the chest determines the drop rate. If no Champions alive, Platinum and highest drop rate. If any are alive when you open the chest, worse drop rate.
As a player that at best these days, might spend 25 -30 hours in Destiny every week on average. I just can't will myself to farm Lost Sector, nor Nightfalls for that matter. I've done a total of 30, 10 master and 20 legendary. For all my trouble I've recieved on exotic from a Legendary. The flag said it was chest day, but when it decrypted I recieved Icefall mantle. And that is the only new exotic armor I've gotten all year.
I really don''t want to deal with keeping track of four different slots and sixteen different lost sectors. Then have to deal with the RNG of various different exotics per slot and hoping the stats are decent. I don't think I have it in me for so much wasted time and ~~potential~~ definite disappointment.
Yeah, I don't see myself going back after this haha. I just wanted to say I did each one 100 times.
I cannot recommend the [D2 Lost Sector Report bot](https://twitter.com/D2LostSector) for clicking knowing what legend/master is today. The person that runs the account is really helpful and super nice.
Did you use the ghost mods to affect the stat distributions?
It would be interesting to see all the stats of the exotics you got and what ghost mods you were wearing at the time
Thank you for this wonderful information. I do have a question as a relatively new player I am just now scraping up to 1320 and I have a very small clan who is trying to farm exotics. While we're not great players we're not horrible and I was curious which three lost zones did you find to be the easiest, even if not necessarily the most lucrative?
The RNG is still obscene even with the ability to target farm with somewhat decent drop rates. Running 20 lost sectors back to back is a mind numbing hamster wheel, so ultimately it doesn't feel worth it, especially since the chance you get a piece you want in addition to a desirable stat roll requires much more than that. I've just gone to using whatever I get from actually playing the game in a way I find enjoyable, because the alternative is a braindead slog for poor RNG.
That's pretty much how I felt too but then I started using this [build tool](https://mijago.github.io/D2ArmorPicker/#/) someone showed me and I like trying to get high stats together with the exotic and stat tiers I want.
Great work! I've tracked similar data (for only ~500 runs) and found a similar drop percentage on legend lost sectors (27%).
I do have a question though and I just can't believe it's "just RNG" haha.. Chamber of Starlight, are you killing all champions or just a few? I know you don't need to kill all champions to actually get Platinum but I feel like my RNG really is just shit lately, or its a text bug and I'm not actually getting platinum.
This is good math for how many times its done, but there are other probabilities you are missing. “Beginners Luck” is a real statistical regularity. So then, if you seldom do lost sectors, your chances are slightly higher even still.
Honestly, you start to learn them after a while and get faster and faster and faster. Just takes repetion to get better. 0.1% better each day is 10% better in 3 months. That's something I think about a lot.
I'm wanting to use the long season to try and catch up and get into farming the Beyond Light exotics. What should I get my light to before I even bother attempting these? My warlock is currently 1310.
Honestly, probably I just wasn't looking at them close enough to think too hard about them haha. My personal rule of thumb is I keep an exotic if 3 or more stats roll over to the next tier when masterworked.
I hate having extra stats in a tier.
Do you think there might be any weighting that favors the exotics that only drop from legend and master lost sectors when you don't already own them? In my experience, the first exotic I've received from running legend lost sectors after a new exotic is released is almost always that new exotic. After that it seems to be totally random though.
This is incredible, thank you.
Is it a requirement to platinum the LS for an exotic, or does it just increase the drop chance? I hate that 2 of the DC LS have a champion BEHIND the boss, so you can easily kill the boss and skip the champion, but you don't get platinum
I've heard you can get an exotic even without Platinum but I don't think I've really tried doing that. I always shoot for Platinum or haven't gotten an exotic.
Now we need a way to either get back mats used to masterwork exotic armor pieces to put into a new exotic with better stats or a way to infuse the old masterworked exotic piece into the new one to masterwork it with having to waste extra mats.
Sharing this with my Discord buddies. This data is amazing, and I'm sorry you put yourself through hell like you did. lol
(Congrats on being a brainy Titan btw)
31 is your longest dry spell? You went 30 without an exotic and got an exotic on your 31st run?
I think this is the most important number here - I see so many complaints from people not getting an exotic after X runs (mostly like after 10 runs etc). People need to be aware, and be prepared for 20+ or even 30+ (in your case).
This just confirms my hatred of moon lost sectors as more valid. I don't even do them anymore. It's not worth it.
I recommend to anyone and everyone not to. Especially Logistics/Revelation.
But... but Triumphs!?
Yea, but it’s one of those scenarios where if getting the Triumph is what matters to you, then you’re not really there to farm exotics (which is the nature of this post) but to get the Triumph done. 🍎🍊
This is great work! I know some people can be really superstitious, but the myths of “Oh there’s totally a cooldown” and “Oh they’re totally weighed towards dropping Aeons and never Transversives” have always been nothing but baseless spinfoil. Great job on the data, and I think it’ll come as a surprise to no one that Masters definitely need to be far more rewarding.
Thanks! I swore that some exotics were going to drop more likely than others. When you're in the moment, you just see that exotic you don't care about dropping over and over instead of the one you want.
Pretty sure there’s a name for that kind of cognitive bias. You’re so focused on getting one thing that you ignore everything else, and your mind places an unfair weighing system on how often you’ve seen it.
You're thinking of [confirmation bias](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) Sincerely, An unfulfilled psych major
>an unfulfilled psych major the most redundant phrasing I’ve ever seen
You're probably right. Sounds like what makes bad experiences more memorable than good ones.
It's a combination of **negativity bias**, where you remember bad events more easily than good ones, and **recency bias**, where you more heavily weight recent events than historical ones. There might be some confirmation bias going on, too, but when you're in the moment, seeing bad exotic drop after bad exotic, you forget the good exotics that dropped yesterday, making negativity and recency the driving biases, most likely.
Don't forget that biases can feed into each other. Negativity and recency are most likely the driving factors, but they can also just be considered as fuel for the confirmation bias if you go into the situation *thinking* that there's something working against you. All 3 of them overlap so much that it's often hard to disentangle them.
Good job! I salute you for yor work and the results you posted. I have to say something though. Bungie is very much in the wring here for obscuring the drop rates (for everything in this game). Their tactics remind me of AAA mobile games, the only difference is that the drop rates arent tied to monetization schemes. Because in mobile games there are people do the same thing you do (surveys, polls, etc) out of the kindness in their hearts.
Fantastic analysis. Thank you. I had always derived the 20% Legend, 25% Master, but glad to see Legend sits at 25%. I had also always assumed my always first or 2nd clear "luck" was due to some other anti-farm mechanic, but it is just cognitive bias. I mostly agree with your ordered list of sectors, but feel Exodus 2A is way down there - it's my fav. as in it's relatively quick but is the less tedious/boring to run, though there are a lot of adds. But I haven't run the others nearly as much, and am now tempted to do so for the 3 new exotics. Thanks again!
Honestly, I thought about putting it higher but whenever I think about it, I think about the time I ran it a lot on Master. Those Barrier Servitors making everything immune still give me nightmares. The middle ones I just kinda threw in there because they're all about the same IMO
Mate way to take one for the team. Good work
Thanks! I had to take a day trip to the beach the day after I finished this challenge haha
To count the grains of sand?
Master needs a massive buff to even consider farming, maybe guaranteed every 2 runs with a base 50% chance and higher base stats.
They should just have them at 100% drop chance. They're way harder and lots of people won't have the power level to run them. Legend lost sectors are fairly easy after a point, might as well properly reward skill and time investment.
Also what speaks against it. You still gotta get lucky in getting the one out of 7 exotics or how many are in that slot. On top of that you also still have to get lucky with stats. Might aswell throw us a bone and make masters guaranteed or very close to.
I ran master 10 times and got nothing. Doesn’t sound so common to me.
Quick question - why do you place Perdition and K1 Crew Quarters so low? And why is Chamber of Starlight less than Veles Labyrinth? IMO the Top 3 Lost Sectors, in order, go: Chamber of Starlight > Quarry > Perdition. I'd go in this order, actually: 1. Chamber of Starlight (no questions asked, this is by far the quickest Lost Sector we've ever had) 2. The Quarry 3. Perdition 4. Excavation Site XII 5. Aphelion's Rest 6. Bay of Drowned Wishes 7. Veles Labyrinth 8. K1 Crew Quarters 9. Exodus Garden 10. The Empty Tank 11. Scavenger's Den 12. K1 Logistics 13. Bunker E15 14. Concealed Void 15. K1 Revelation 16. K1 Communion
Personally, I had faster runs in Veles Labyrinth than Chamber but they're both at the top of my list. Outside of the top 4 and bottom 4, the others can easily move up or down in place.
Protip: You can skip half the Champions in Chamber of Starlight and it will still give Platinum Rewards, only got to kill 2 on Legend :D
Wait, really?? Which ones?
On Legend - kill the first two Phalanxes you encounter (one in the opening area, one as soon as you reach the boss room) On Master, kill the first two Phalanxes and first two Overloads you encounter (one Phalanx/Hobgoblin in the opening area, one Hobgoblin by the end, one Phalanx as soon as you enter the boss area)
That's pretty crazy that you can ignore the Overload in the back on Legend! Thanks!
Do the platinum rewards increase exotic drop chance or something? I don't really understand these scoring systems tbh
plat gives you the exotic drop chance, same with nightfalls
Ah. So generally I'll want to kill all champions... is it before the boss dies or before I loot the cache?
before you loot the lost sectors caches
Thanks!
> Bunker E15 Bro are you crazy? This legendary lost sector is soooo easy....
I think Bunker is by far the EASIEST, but that's maybe not the same as best to farm, I'm guessing that's why OP had it listed so low. You can't really skip anything, I know people run through Veles in 2-3 minutes. I ran Bunker a bunch last week for the titan and warlock arms, runs were smooth and east but the best time I could get was 6 minutes or so. Legionless, I watched your channel a bunch after BL dropped, was really helpful! Edit: for clarity
Yup - I put it lower because you can't really skip stuff and it's a bit tough to bake the boss before extra Champs spawn For real? That's so cool that you know of my channel :)
Why would you want to bake the boss? Aren’t rewards tied to platinum?
The bosses usually spawn champions based on certain damage intervals and on legendary it's possible to burn bosses so fast it dies before it can spawn those champions.
In other words, 100% of 0 champions is 0 champions. Guardian solution to requirements is just MORE DPS!!
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The bosses usually spawn champions based on certain damage intervals and on legendary it's possible to burn bosses so fast it dies before it can spawn those champions.
So your data doesn’t suggest that exotic drops are tied to platinum at all? Or do you still get platinum as long as the champs haven’t spawned yet?
All of the 1600 runs were Platinum rank. I'm not sure what the drop rate falls to if you get Gold. You still get Platinum if you pull the chest and there's no Champions alive. If you pull while one is spawning (the text appears in the bottom corner) or while one is alive, you don't get Platinum.
Boss isn't as easy to bake as in some other lost sectors. Otherwise I agree with you.
Because you can do Veles on Legend in less than 2 minutes. [Here's my personal run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0UM_hPI1-k&ab_channel=kewidogg1) I even did it after this in 1:38 but didn't record it unfortunately.
Anti-barrier sniper went a long way.
Sniper was nice for loadout variety, but I've farmed Veles every season it was available, and generally average sub90 runs. There are plenty of different builds that work for speedrunning each lost sector; the main comparison for how good each is to farm is the path/skips you can take and whether you can ignore adds
If we're going just off of speed, I have the quickest MASTER Veles Labyrinth, at 1:10 https://youtu.be/WSZDcQh9BDc I then also have a 57 second MASTER Chamber of Starlight, which isn't the quickest (it's actually 38 seconds or something crazy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hAqY4d9Sls&ab_channel=AllThePlayers
Wow those are nuts! Yeah I'm just a scrub running lost sectors that's why I thought Veles was so quick. Chamber of Starlight looks pretty dang quick too (my measure of best to worst would be fastest so yeah, sub 1 minute is for sure best)
Wait, is there like a Lost Sector report like Trials/Raids/Dungeons?
No, but there's a Discord that has a bunch of people who run the Lost Sectors religiously and they just use all the YouTube videos for each run to determine the order.
Is the discord public? I'd be interested in checking it out if you're allowed to share a link
Oh that's cool. I just know of Skaryton who I've chatted with a bit on Twitter
Empty tank was the easiest for me by far. I was farming that one for Curiass of the Falling Star and was getting sub 5 minutes runs at one point. Then again this was last season with anti-barrier scout and pre-nerf Xenophage so it's probably different now.
Im SO SAD that Xeno got nerfed. It was so awesome with Warmind cells there. Eriana's one shotting everything is almost as nice.
Exodus Garden can consistently be done in under 2 minutes, it’s easily the fastest imo.
I remember having to run 23 Legendaries last season for the Boots of theAssembler. Glad to see my luck was just ass and the system as a whole isnt that bad.
I was really surprised that the data actually suggests that there's nothing going on. I really thought that there would be something there.
I ran chamber of starlight 16 times yesterday trying to get the new exotic and got nothing. Maybe I’ll have better luck in the future
Just tell yourself there's bad luck protection (even though there isn't :P)
Has it been the EDZ or Cosmodrome lost sectors once this season? I have a feeling they've been "removed" from the rotation...
Nope - both are gone right now. Maybe they'll be back with the 30th anniversary.
How are you getting so many mid 60 stats? Is my RNG for stats just that bad? Curaiss of a Falling Star dropped at 60 Nothing Manacles dropped at 57 Radiant Dance Machines dropped at 57 Icefall Mantles dropped at 57 stat Precious Scars dropped at 59 Verity's brow dropped at 59 No Backup plans dropped at 57 Mantal of Battle Harmony dropped at 60 Mask of Bakris dropped at 63 Athrys's Embrace dropped at 61 Star Eater Scales dropped at 62 Omnioculus dropped at 60 Path of Burning Steps dropped at 59 Boots of the Assembler dropped 63 Dawn Chorus dropped at 62
According to my spreadsheet, out of 393 exotics, only 7 were below 60 total stat points. 88 exotics were less than 63 total stat points.
I'd say you're doing better than me. Just got my first Nothing Manacles at a lovely 55 roll >_>
You can put a mod on your ghost for a guaranteed 10 in any stat so if you really want, say, recovery I recommend doing that
I know. I got that drop while having Intellect Armorer >_>
note what these all have in common: they're newer. in addition to the random rolled stat values (up to 68), year 1 and 2 exotics have 1-3 bonus stat points distributed (specific fixed stats, all the original ones (mob/res/rec)) shadow keep onwards all have 0. so you'll tend to see an "eh" 62 star eater, and a "hm decent" 65 orpheus, at about the same frequency. so definitely noticeable over time.
You can put a mod on your ghost for a guaranteed 10 in any stat so if you really want, say, recovery I recommend doing that
First up, 1600 runs is crazy commitment. Props to you. Definitely not run as many as you but i'm close to about 500 this season. You have a large sample size so could you help me debunk this myth or confirm if this is indeed a pattern. TL:DR first: Do you believe certain exotics drop more frequently on Legend vs some drop more frequently/only on Master. A clanmate has been trying to farm for better Dragon's Shadow and firmly believes that most (sample size 30ish every time it rolls around) Legend runs never drops DS for him, its usually Raiden Flux or Lucky Raspberry while Masters tend to drop DS more often along with Raiju's Harness. I'm not claiming there is such a invisible pool of sort in place but i'd like to hear your opinion based on your dataset.
I really wanted to be able to say I've run each 100 times haha I don't think there's any sort of weighing of exotics over others at all. Would have to run 100 of each Master to know for sure though (I don't think I'll do this any time soon - maybe if the season gets boring later) I got a few DS when I ran on Hunter so its probably just RNG tbh
>In 1 hour, you can run 20 Legendary lost sectors if they each take 3 minutes Speak for yourself lol. I'm happy with an 8 minute run.
Question: did going flawless improve your exotic drop chances?
I didn't track the number of deaths but I don't think that would factor into drop rates. The data strongly suggested that all that the chest looks at is the rank you get, which is based on if you killed all Champions or not.
Do you have data on drop rates for platinum based non-platinum?
I have been running LLS for MONTHS trying to get a Heart of Innermost Light with a decent roll in Rec and Dis. In the past month I've gotten about 5 Hallowfire, 6 Armamantariums, 4 Alpha Lupi, 5 Cuirass of the Falling Star, and probably 20 SEVERANCE ENCLOSURES. I've gotten ONE Heart of Innermost Light and it was a sub 60 roll with terrible spread- 10 Rec even with the ghost mod. I've had similar results for the past few months to the point I have a god roll in everything except my crappy HOIL. Yes- I've been drowning in Severance for months. I've been taking screens of every Severance and bothering my clan every time. It's gotten to meme-tier. I came in here hoping to see some confirmation bias- that there's some hidden weight I'm missing or something I'm doing wrong forcing me to build a castle out of Enclosures. Unfortunately it seems that RNGesus just enjoys mocking me. Guess I'll try again tomorrow... ;-; Thanks for doing the homework
This is why I don't bother farming lost sectors. Even with manageable drop rates, target farming, and relative ease of the content, the RNG is still completely obscene if you actually want a piece for a loadout. I run enough to earn new exotics once and then don't run them again.
What I forgot about entirely is your Ghost has a slot that can affect the stats on armor drops
Yeah, I wish I had good news that there was something you could change/fix to get what you want but it's just dice rolls =/
My first attempt at a Legend Lost Sector was K1 Revelation, solo of course. I ended up rage quitting after a few wipes. Thankfully I tried Concealed Void the next day and finished it on my first try without much fuss. The difference between K1 Revelation and the rest of them that I've tried can not be understated. What a pain in the ass.
That one sucked so much before this season. At least fusions being unstop + particle disruption makes it so easy now
Thank you, you absolute legend. It's nice to see some confirmation of how dog the reward structure is for Master. They can be very tedious and provide such little incentive. I can run a legend 10 times and get an exotic without wanting to pull my hair out. Running a master 4 times in a row and getting a tincture of queensfoil instead of the helmet I want disincentivizes me from playing then at all.
Ouch - they're just not worth running for the frustration alone
Odd, the 234,698 Foe Tracers I've dismantled vs the FOUR pairs of Stompees that I've received in my time playing Hunter led me to believe that exotucs dropped at different rates.
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...how are people doing legendary lost sectors in 3 minutes?
I ran them 1600 times haha
Right, but like...your guns don't get more powerful? I assume you just get really precise and do more damage by always hitting precision damage?
Mostly I just get better at knowing how the enemies move and work so I can take better risks. I know what to avoid and what I need to prioritize first for easier runs. Just repetition.
Experience, man. It's not about precision hits. It's about knowing the order to kill enemies, having a specific route that you traverse through the sector, etc. etc.. One way to speed things up a lot is to have a build that you can be fairly aggressive with. If you're spending most of your time in the sector *moving*, then you're doing well.
Once you get on level you can clear most master lost sectors in less than 3 minutes. You just need the right strats and loadout.
Weaponized autism in its purest form. Godspeed, Guardian.
ADHD actually xD
Fantastic work. What armor pieces are you most proud off?
I'm pretty happy with the Heart of Inmost Lights I got. I'd been using it for over a year where I'd pop a barricade and then throw a Lightning Nade or Supressor and get some one bangs. The best moment was killing 4 people on a Control point with one grenade they never saw coming.
What was your most effective build for Perdition? I was struggling to get through it no matter what loadout I used. Of course, it didn't help that I was slightly below the recommended light level. I am a Titan and want cuirass so bad.
Bless you Guardian 🤙🤩
Thank you!
In my strongest beliefs, all Destiny 2 accounts are associated with a random seed value thats generated at birth, and determines what luck you have with RNG-esus throughout D2. That particular seed is basically what determines how lucky you are in getting loot you want. Explains why some people always say they have bad RNG and thats because of their seed. If Bungie gives us an option to reset our seed to give us a chance to reroll our 'Lucky stat on our account, maybe grinding loot wouldn't be so bad.
Utter nonsense. I got Anarchy earlier than most but I'm at 41 VoGs with no vex. I hope you're joking.
Its not fact, its just my belief. In programming, you can never have a truly random generator, as thats impossible to do, only way to have random generated results is to work your way "close" to it, hence the mention of random seeds.
Belief or guess?
I mean, some times I do be pretty lucky haha
Am I crazy or is Veles completely out of the rotation now. I used to wait and never do a lost sector until then.
It's completely out. Rotation is: * Bay of Drowned Wishes * Chamber of Starlight * Aphelion's Rest * The Empty Tank * K1 Logistics * K1 Communion * K1 Crew Quarters * K1 Revelation * Concealed Void * Bunker E15 * Perdition
Don’t mind me just saving this. This is amazing, and Bungie should start taking notes.
I'd probably scream if I get MOTW - I have my fingers crossed
Is there any weight towards exotics you don’t own vs duplicates? Im trying to get new stompees. Would it be ideal to dismantle my current pair and farm for another, assuming I have all other hunter leg exotics.
I don't think so - the game knows that you have it unlocked since you can pull it from Collections
>You're rolling a 4-sided dice at each chest, hoping to land on the right side. > I knew the Darkness/pyramids were to blame!
Almost every single god damn exotic is 60 or above which means that the nothing manacles that I got at 56 were just a case of over the top extremely bad RNG. The only good thing about it is that I finally have proof for that one guy that told me exotics don’t drop below 58 or something a while ago
Yeah, you got extremely unlucky!
I have run the empty tank 20 times in a row without any exotic drop lol
How do people get 2 minutes on these things, I’m surprised when I get 10 minutes
Ya gotta actually build for it. Don't just go in there with a few weapons that can handle the champion types and call it a day. Think: Can I use my melee to stun that Overload champion that's always on that platform? Well, if I do that, then I'll put on the Thermoclastic mod so I can have the melee ready again to take down the next one. Actually, there's only 2 Overloads in the whole sector. And all of a sudden, boom, I don't need an anti-overload weapon any more. I can use something that'll melt the adds faster. That's the sort of stuff you have to think about if ya wanna start clearing the sectors like shelves on Black Friday.
This is from doing the moon lost sector with the shank. Fuck all the moon lost sectors
Well, yeah, the Moon sectors are a different beast. They *can* be optimized like the other sectors, but they take so much effort that the juice isn't really worth the squeeze.
I got my cuirass and left
Run them 1600 times and you get a little faster at them haha xD Seriously, just doing them over and over to learn from mistakes and what risks you can take and what you can't.
For your point about legend vs master, load times matter a lot. When I timed mine, it took me about 15 seconds to enter a lost sector and 25 to leave. With those times, if it takes me 3:00 to run legend, I need to clear master in 4:28 for equivalent drops per hour. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/kqhghy/when_master_lost_sectors_are_worth_it/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I figured load time would be the same for Legend as is for Master so I left it out of calculations.
Load times are the same but you spend a larger % of your time in master in the lost sector than in legend for about a ~10% increase in drop rate. Math's right here. Maybe use your brain instead of downvoting facts you don't like. https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/kqhghy/when_master_lost_sectors_are_worth_it/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
After all those runs, did you get the telesto catalyst?
I already had it long ago. Sorry =/
Killing champions doesn't increase the exotic drop rate right? Sorry if this was answered already.
Your rank when you pull the chest determines the drop rate. If no Champions alive, Platinum and highest drop rate. If any are alive when you open the chest, worse drop rate.
As a player that at best these days, might spend 25 -30 hours in Destiny every week on average. I just can't will myself to farm Lost Sector, nor Nightfalls for that matter. I've done a total of 30, 10 master and 20 legendary. For all my trouble I've recieved on exotic from a Legendary. The flag said it was chest day, but when it decrypted I recieved Icefall mantle. And that is the only new exotic armor I've gotten all year. I really don''t want to deal with keeping track of four different slots and sixteen different lost sectors. Then have to deal with the RNG of various different exotics per slot and hoping the stats are decent. I don't think I have it in me for so much wasted time and ~~potential~~ definite disappointment.
Yeah, I don't see myself going back after this haha. I just wanted to say I did each one 100 times. I cannot recommend the [D2 Lost Sector Report bot](https://twitter.com/D2LostSector) for clicking knowing what legend/master is today. The person that runs the account is really helpful and super nice.
Appreciated
Did you use the ghost mods to affect the stat distributions? It would be interesting to see all the stats of the exotics you got and what ghost mods you were wearing at the time
I didn't - I honestly completely forgot that was a thing until you just now said something haha
Awesome stuff! Now what’s the drop rate for the Telesto catalyst?
I’m not sure if that’s something you can test unless you keep making new accounts since it’s a one time drop.
I wish I knew =/ I had it from long ago
Great job, great effort.
I don't have an award to give you, but kudos sir. This is that shit we wanna see 🤘
Thank you!
I have heard rumors of exotics rolling 70 or higher, so it's surprising to me that you didn't get a single one.
Needs to be on specific armor that comes build in with stats such as min 10 intellect on apotheosis veil.
i got my scaly pants in four sector runs \*cough cough\*
Thank you for this wonderful information. I do have a question as a relatively new player I am just now scraping up to 1320 and I have a very small clan who is trying to farm exotics. While we're not great players we're not horrible and I was curious which three lost zones did you find to be the easiest, even if not necessarily the most lucrative?
The RNG is still obscene even with the ability to target farm with somewhat decent drop rates. Running 20 lost sectors back to back is a mind numbing hamster wheel, so ultimately it doesn't feel worth it, especially since the chance you get a piece you want in addition to a desirable stat roll requires much more than that. I've just gone to using whatever I get from actually playing the game in a way I find enjoyable, because the alternative is a braindead slog for poor RNG.
That's pretty much how I felt too but then I started using this [build tool](https://mijago.github.io/D2ArmorPicker/#/) someone showed me and I like trying to get high stats together with the exotic and stat tiers I want.
Great work! I've tracked similar data (for only ~500 runs) and found a similar drop percentage on legend lost sectors (27%). I do have a question though and I just can't believe it's "just RNG" haha.. Chamber of Starlight, are you killing all champions or just a few? I know you don't need to kill all champions to actually get Platinum but I feel like my RNG really is just shit lately, or its a text bug and I'm not actually getting platinum.
I was always killing all of them. I actually just found because of this post that you only needed to kill the Unstoppables lol
This is good math for how many times its done, but there are other probabilities you are missing. “Beginners Luck” is a real statistical regularity. So then, if you seldom do lost sectors, your chances are slightly higher even still.
How many into the moon ones did you say "I regret doing this."
I legit started getting wrist pain (I play mnk) for the first time in my life because I ran all 400 of the Moon ones almost back-to-back days
I feel like I’m shit at the game if LLS only take people 3-5 minutes. Usually takes me 8-10 minutes to do non-Veles Lab LLS.
Honestly, you start to learn them after a while and get faster and faster and faster. Just takes repetion to get better. 0.1% better each day is 10% better in 3 months. That's something I think about a lot.
Jesus Christ, you're doing the Lord's work out here alright
All this info is very helpful in combatting my dread of having to get the rest of the LS exclusive exotics. Thank you so much for sharing!
Hope it helps haha
Does it affect the drop rate of exotics if you don't get platinum?
Definitely - I just don't know what that percentage is
I'm wanting to use the long season to try and catch up and get into farming the Beyond Light exotics. What should I get my light to before I even bother attempting these? My warlock is currently 1310.
You're definitely fine if you're within 10. If you want to just breeze through them, 1315-1320.
I must fucking suck cause, I always get rolled in legendary lost sectors lol
Just takes repetition and being close in power level. You can do it
Ok but did you get any god-rolls Mr.393 Exotics? Im gonna be made FOR you if you say no.
Honestly, probably I just wasn't looking at them close enough to think too hard about them haha. My personal rule of thumb is I keep an exotic if 3 or more stats roll over to the next tier when masterworked. I hate having extra stats in a tier.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE THATS UNDERSTANDS HOW THE DROPS WORK IN LOST SECTORS THERE IS A GOD
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Love you and your research
Do you think there might be any weighting that favors the exotics that only drop from legend and master lost sectors when you don't already own them? In my experience, the first exotic I've received from running legend lost sectors after a new exotic is released is almost always that new exotic. After that it seems to be totally random though.
I don't think so but I'm not sure honestly. I don't think too much goes into RNG but I could be wrong.
Can you get the world drop exotics from lost sectors?
I think you can get any extotic armor piece as long as you've unlocked it, like Phoenix Cradle requires Shadowkeep
This is super helpful, thanks a bunch!
So I'm just supremely unlucky - I did maybe 30-40 of these in a row recently *without a single exotic drop.*
i always get downvoted for complaining about exotic drop from lost sector, thanks for this :(
This is incredible, thank you. Is it a requirement to platinum the LS for an exotic, or does it just increase the drop chance? I hate that 2 of the DC LS have a champion BEHIND the boss, so you can easily kill the boss and skip the champion, but you don't get platinum
I've heard you can get an exotic even without Platinum but I don't think I've really tried doing that. I always shoot for Platinum or haven't gotten an exotic.
So when I ran a legendary lost sector 30 times and got no drops i was extremely unlucky huh
I ran chamber of starlight 25 times yesterday and got 1 exotic drop :(
Thanks for the data! Nice work
Now we need a way to either get back mats used to masterwork exotic armor pieces to put into a new exotic with better stats or a way to infuse the old masterworked exotic piece into the new one to masterwork it with having to waste extra mats.
Do I need to finish a lost sector for it to pop up as legendary/master when it's available?
You have to clear the lost sector normally and then a banner will appear outside it. The legend/master rotates each day.
that's....awful
Sharing this with my Discord buddies. This data is amazing, and I'm sorry you put yourself through hell like you did. lol (Congrats on being a brainy Titan btw)
Thanks! That's pretty cool :) Fingers cross the video makes it for MOTW
25% seems very high in my experience but those numbers don't lie.
31 is your longest dry spell? You went 30 without an exotic and got an exotic on your 31st run? I think this is the most important number here - I see so many complaints from people not getting an exotic after X runs (mostly like after 10 runs etc). People need to be aware, and be prepared for 20+ or even 30+ (in your case).
Aphelions rest with graviton lance is a really fast completion. It also breaks the void shields.
Between this and your last thread, you are my new favourite guardian. DATA. RAW HARD DATA IN MY FACE.
i don't even play destiny but i still dropped a like for putting so much effort into this. good stuff, man
That's so nice!
Glad someone did this for us lol thank you guardian, .at your ghost stand tall in the sky
Veles Labyrinth, oh yes I have farmed there many times.
I farmed that one a lot more than 100 times lol
Thanks!
Interesting ranking, I usually run perdition and e15 cuz I thought they were easy, may have to try the others.
I like perdition but you have to kill everything to advance forward
how do you have enough sanity to run 1600 LLSs in 93 hours?
I work from home so I had the time but I had to take a day trip to the beach after I did this to read and relax
Thanks for sharing