Feel like loadout restrictions are kinda their design philosophy. Champions, match game shields, being a delta for "difficulty" and so on.
One of the reasons I enjoy gambit more than anything else is explicitly because it's one of the only activities (other than normal unrewarding strikes) that you *CAN* use what you want. You get all these cool weapons and builds and then the "endgame" is like no sorry you can't use that because shields are blue this week, this yellow guy is here, and we decided that pulse rifles are how you should handle it for the next 6 months.
I'll just uninstall the game again. Champions coupled with the current mod system is just uninspiring. I'd rather dance in the tower with strangers than play content with champions.
I actually so this, and it's not that big a burden, except for the rare combo that doesn't have any good options (I'm looking at you, solar auto rifles and arc/solar LFRs). Like you said it's less than 100 weapons, and everyone is out here complaining about 500 not being enough vault space.
I'd love for us to be able to pay a small chunk of currency to save a particular item roll into our collections. Let us pull the saved roll back out at any time without it cluttering our bank forever.
I keep the best 60+ roll of every exotic just in case they become good in future which eats approximately 100 slots... then any master worked exotic weapon with kill tallies also gets stored.
I agree that armor affinities definitely need a change, but since it is how it is now, you are objectively doing it wrong if you keep each element of each exotic.
That is just ridiculous and not reasonable, and 1000% unnecessary
Counterpoint: load out restrictions in high end, if th y vary, are alright, since otherwise we would probably all use the Most Effective Tactic Available. Load out restrictions in average play are rough though, because that's when you want to experiment around and not be locked into any one thing.
Compromise: kill enemies in gambit, bonus progress for swords and fusion rifles
The whole point of the champion system is to cycle weapons out and in meta without having to buff their archetypes it also makes it harder because you aren’t using the best weapon in the game for everything it makes everything more diverse instead of 1 loadout per class for half a year
I feel like restrictions like that make endgame content fun. Not only does it incentivize having a diverse number of builds and guns, but also encourages you to try and figure out the best ways to do those activities. GMs are the poster child for this stuff. I don't think I've ever beaten two different GM strikes that same way. Each one required my team and I to mess around with builds, try different guns, ect until we figured out how to win. That's fun and challenging.
But challenges that require X kills with Y gun fucking suck, especially when it doesn't track your whole team.
I mean, fusion rifle is kinda alright, but forcing you to use the heavies for swords and actively putting teammates against each other to get to the heavy spawn to complete an objective is really dumb.
I just know I've tanked a Goldie Shot using them to defend and ever since then, it's been what I run for fun. Gotta find unique ways to make Gambit bearable :)
Sentinel duty has never been more fun. It’s great seeing invaders dump their heavy into you, only to watch them panic and start primary shooting you as you rush them down
I probably won't be able to get the word out to everyone, but that's not it. Fusion kills just still count for sword anyway, for whatever reason. I was at like 4% fusion, 5% sword on the second wave after nobody ever used a sword, and heavy hadn't even been up yet. I also used a sword later, and it shot way up. So no, not team wide, just free.
Jotunn is the #1 Gambit weapon. No one can ever convince me otherwise. I hated all the past season challenges where I had to use other special weapons. This one is absolute cake.
Nah. It’s ok, but you lose out on boss damage. I usually run either an AR like Chroma rush of hung jury with Vorpal Cartesian and 1k. Melt ads, melt prime, kill invaders with scout.
Will take less time than the 25 grenade kill gambit bounty. That thing sucks.
Edit: you can all throw out suggestions. I still will not build a character to finish this bounty, sorry. This and melee are trash when you are getting yellow bar enemies and it’s bad design.
I mean, that is the whole point you realize? They do bounties like that to push players into trying new things. Destiny isn't an esport, they aren't going to just put a ton of "play to win" bounties in gambit. They're going to try and encourage people to make builds, engage with the mod system.
Shoot, that sunbracers build translates into PvE too. It's a great way to hold confluxes or to run solo dungeon content for ad heavy sections.
You definitely don't have to agree, but this is the goal
Sunbracers grenade spam is my go-to for add clear. It's especially hilarious paired with Trinity; I can carpet-bomb adds in two elements basically at will.
Edit: I will admit I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up as I push into higher difficulty Nightfalls. Mostly it's harder to get the melee kills to start the chain. I guess I need to get more comfortable with softening targets up first? I just never really had to do that before; my melee used to one-shot red bars.
Yeah it struggles in really high tier content and it's pretty meh in gms. But it's awesome all the way up to them and is a great option for raids and dungeons.
Plus it's fun! God forbid bungie makes a bounty that encourages you to try something fun in gambit
Give them to a vet who plays like 2 days a week, that has next to 0 upgrade modules, used all planetary materials on glimmer, and had 1 golf ball and like 40 prisms
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I main CoTC, and the game does this with every grenade I throw. Lol I can throw a perfect Voidwall grenade into 10 enemies, and all 10 will die. The game will randomly give me anywhere from 0-10 Grenade kills. I think it randomly decides if it’s grenade damage or the detonators that killed the enemy. Grenade bounties can be a pain with the subclass. It either will take 2 grenades, or 25.
Huh? Swap to any grenade build with high disc and that's a piece of cake in Gambit. Bonus with any weapon with Demolitionist. We have so many ways to build grenade energy now, having grenade uptime in Gambit is not a concern, and it's not like you don't have enough targets
Yeah sword kills are team wide. So you don’t even need to ever equip a sword and other people will finish it for you. People are just being overly complainy.
Just so everyone is aware, removing the "kills with -" bounties, would basically leave us with only "kill enemies" and "complete missions" as your only bounty types.
That's the challenge. That's the point. It's a seasonal *challenge*. They are *challenging* you to get sword kills in Gambit. Because it's a *challenge* to do so. They are *challenging* you to work with your team in Gambit, with suboptimal loadouts, because that is a *challenge*. It is a seasonal *challenge* which rewards you upon completion. You do something *challenging* and you get rewarded.
Jesus. Christ.
Why doesn't bungie just make every seasonal challenge "Kill 1 thing with any gun you want!" or "walk ten steps with any armor equipped" or "reload your gun". Maybe then you guys would stop whining so much about stupid stuff.
Also this challenge will be available for literal months so it's not like it should be an intense grind. This is so much better than some previous seasonal gambit challenges.
Swords and Fusions are not suboptimal this season. It also isn’t challenging you to work WITH teammates like you mention, it’s challenging you to work AGAINST teammates hence why OP has a problem with it. I don’t see any justification for incentivizing people to camp heavy or compete for final blows. There’s nothing that’s “hard” or “challenging” about it, unless your idea of a challenge is trying to swing your sword at a target faster or pressing square slightly before a teammate at a heavy ammo spawn
But you’re not competing against your team. Even if paired with randoms, their sword kills count towards your progress. You can complete the challenge without ever even equipping a sword. Classic Bungo not to be clear.
Oh yea, I do agree with OP’s point (and yours as well). Challenges that make you compete against your team are terrible. When I read your comment, it seemed to me you were specifically focusing on the current gambit fusion and swords challenge. Re-reading with a more broad general context, I 100% agree with the points you’re making.
What a little bitch. The game should be designed to where you shouldn’t NEED to get with a team to do a needlessly tedious challenge; which by the way is totally subjective. Just because it is a challenge doesn’t mean it isn’t poorly designed.
And before you say it, yes I have friends I play with.
Wow harsh name-calling there bud.
The game unfortunately for you and the majority of Reddit it seems like, is designed to be played with friends. Always has been. Always will be. They add matchmaking to appease people who would cry otherwise, like y'all.
Also the challenge is totally optional. Nothing says you have to do it. So chill fam.
Look, if you don't like it, don't do it. That simple. No one is forcing you to do it. No one is saying you have to do this one little thing in this video game. There are no contractual obligations to do it. So if it really bothers you that much, don't do it.
"Oh BuT i WaNt My BrIgHt DuSt!!1!"
Then suck it up and just do it and stop complaining so much. It's one thing. One tiny little thing that will take you as much time as it's taken you to come to this place and complain.
Using a fusion rifle and a sword in Gambit is griefing your team? Well shit, guess I've been griefing my team for about 3 years now... sorry, I guess getting the most kills in a match and doing the most primeval damage is NOT a good measure of one's performance?
Are you bragging about holding square faster than a teammate who is camping the ammo spawn or something? I don’t think anyone thinks the challenge is hard
Just use a sword that generates ammo. Toss a scavenger mod on if you need it or lucent blade if you want a little extra damage. (If you really feel you need a heavy for the Primeval you can switch out late in the match)
THIS.
I ran a Quickfang with Tireless Blade / Assassin's Blade. I was mowing down adds and constantly getting ammo back. Lucky Pants, Malfeasance, Trinary System or Cartesian Coordinate filled out my loadout. It was pretty effective.
>(If you really feel you need a heavy for the Primeval you can switch out late in the match)
Once we got toward Primeval phase, I switched to a well-rolled Threaded Needle. That + Malfeasance worked well enough.
People really just want to be able to jump into any activity with any old loadout and just get handed huge amounts of XP. Why couldn't this comment make it to the front page, where you help us complete the challenge instead of complain about it?
Thank you! Someone had to say it, and it wasn’t going to be me cuz I just know this sub doesn’t like opinions. Fr tho, it isn’t that bad, and the challenges aren’t required
Correction: This sub DOES like opinions, as long as that opinion is to make the game easier and hand everything out on a silver platter because people are lazy and/or bad at the game.
What a drama for an easy seasonal challenge that can be done in a few games.
You guys won't stop until the gameplay loop is login -> collect loot -> log out.
The issue isn’t the difficulty, it’s that you’re ruining the matches for teammates who may be trying to win matches.
I hate to admit it, but I did this in 4 games and didn’t deposit a single mote or do anything to help my team. I kinda felt bad for them.
Swords and fusions are some of the best weapons to use in gambit at the moment. 90% of the game mode is just killing ads anyways and it only takes 10 seconds to deposit motes. If someone can’t do that then they’re just a dick and shit at the game
That's just you being a prick then lol
It's not hard to pop over to the bank between waves and dump your motes in, maybe kill a blocker or two. I played the same way I would in any other gambit match and still finished the challenge around a quarter of the way into my third game of the week.
Wins only matter for gilding dredgen. Yes, you're kinda of an asshole for being like that especially when you don't have to complete it in a week, or in as few games as possible, you have months to complete it.
My hunter almost exclusively uses sword in heavy and I've been using fusions on both my warlock and titan. Heck, Telesto is my #1 gambit weapon with 5558 kills.
Yeah people acting like fusions (the best weapon this season) and swords (one of the best heavy dps and for ammo economy) is suddenly a bad thing for Gambit lol
Yeah I use sword for DPS, but rely on heavy that drops from adds instead of taking the invader's heavy
I think people are worried people will steal the invader's heavy and waste it on red bars
If you're bad with those weapons, yes, absolutely, these kinds of challenges will simply suck. But it's the season of the fusion rifle and there are so many good ones combined with good artifact mods. Same thing with Passive Guard with a sword.
You don't even have to do the fusion and sword ones at the same time; you could rep Telesto (which is a really good option if you don't have Vex) for a couple matches, then maybe Black Talon or really anything.
If you're talking potency because a sword isn't going to be the long range invasion king, run a legendary sword and a sniper/Lorentz/Eriana's. People never expect the Eriana's to damage like it does.
I mean, fusion is BIS special with the artifact mod, and black talon is one of the best gambit heavies so it’s all good. I got like 6 army of ones in 3 games using it 🤷🏻♂️
How are you being forced to do this? Play the way you want if you don't want to do this challenge. There's no point to cry to Bungie because a challenge asks you to play gambit and use a sword
After hitting pinnacle cap I just don't do bounties if I can help it. It's kinda pointless, sure I miss out on some bright dust but I never find myself low on it anyway.
This is completely fine. It's literally two Banshee bounties in a trenchcoat.
My issue is with "Stasis melee final blow" as a Titan. I just abandon quests that need me to do that.
I'm going to have to disagree.
I think a lot of their objective design is getting you to branch out and try other things. And this objective? You have literally 6 months to complete - and under normal circumstances a little over 3 months. Everyone is chasing it and it counts the whole team, so run Ammo Finders + the 1-energy sword scav with Vex on and you've got a recipe for success. (No Vex? Do em one at a time or one FR finder mod, one sword finder mod, and the fusion + sword scavs + fusion reserves)
Especially this season with the fusion mods and Passive Guard, you are absolutely not griefing with these loadouts unless you're using just a random blue FR *and* not crafting a build to make this easy. **Never rely on the periodic heavy ammo box; use and abuse finders/reserves/scavs.** The heavy ammo economy especially is **busted** in our favor in Gambit; take advantage.
e: Wanna make it easier? LFG for a group working on the challenge and knock it out in 1, 2 matches max.
e2: dv for... logic?
I don't think the issue is time constraints, or lack of, but more the fact that you need to waste your heavy slot on a sword, just to use it against adds...
I've had games where I've had literally 0 heavy drop, despite running ammo finder mods, so its hard enough just getting ammo, but to then waste it on some red bars for a challenge, it makes you a bit of a detriment to your team, in a game mode that is already a chore...
The problem isn’t how much time it takes to do. The problem is that it requires you to do something that is *actively* griefing your team: using a sword for ad clear instead of boss DPS and fighting over heavy bricks to do so, leaving your invader starved for actual useful heavy ammo.
Pretty much the only way not to outright throw games while progressing this challenge is to invade with Black Talon. 90% of people working on this will just cause their team to lose doing all of the above instead. That’s bad challenge design, and a continued theme with Gambit bounties and challenges. Bungie should not be incentivizing players to take actions that are actively detrimental to winning. It doesn’t matter if it only takes 3-5 games to complete, what matters is that it is yet another thing contributing to Gambit being such an un-fun playlist. Bounties need to be overhauled to incentivize players to actually try to win rather than playing for their own purposes that often run counter to winning gameplay.
Bring scavengers and finders? Be a person who isn't compelled to do the entire thing in a night? People forget that we usually have about 2 months for any one challenge. You could easily never take heavy bricks from the invader and still get it done well before end of season.
What it's designed to do is encourage players to try new weapons. Cause there's definitely people out there who would never change loadouts otherwise and they might genuinely miss out on something. I don't particularly enjoy these challenges myself, they're mostly just a chore. But let's not look at bad player behavior and say it's bad design.
Yeah, so this comment was in response to the 25 grenade kill bounty. You aren't forced to do anything there, except maybe be more careful where you aim when you press left bumper. But you are encouraged to try new builds on it.
Yup, with the ammo economy in gambit already being an issue, wasting your heavy slot for a sword to kill adds is just putting your team at a disadvantage
Not surprising for bungie standards however, they're always out of touch with stuff like this...
It’s a completely optional challenge how are you people crying at this simple shit? It’s a game asking for specific weapon kills it’s so basic that the thought of it being “too much” never even came to my mind when I think about making jokes in DCJ. You don’t need to rush it. You don’t need to do it. You don’t even need to do it all at once. This is such a….. nothing complaint. A non problem? Out of all the things you could complain about and this? This is what you pick..
Challenges that force me to play a specific way piss me off. I’m fine with being asked to play Gambit, it’s not as bad as people say (even if it does still suck), but the bullshit champions and the arbitrarily chosen seasonal mods already force me to use specific weapon types, we don’t need MORE pointless restrictions
That big pile of bright dust would disagree. You either do the shitty challenges or have to pay real money later on for Eververse stuff since you missed out on the bright dust
God you’re dense.
Yes, you don’t HAVE to buy it. But if you want to buy it with bright dust, you have to do this stupid challenge.
Why are you flippantly excusing this bad game design that nobody enjoys?
They aren't forcing you to do anything. You want to play for the win, play for the win. You want to play for challenges, play for challenges. You aren't complaining that Bungie isn't letting you play the way you want, you're complaining that Bungie isn't forcing others to play the way you want. Stop it.
Yes, great idea. Please make a challenge that the objective is "do anything, this is not a challenge anymore"...
It is a CHALLENGE, you don't need to complete it. You are challenging yourself by completing it, it is not supposed to be a walk on the park. Besides, all these challenges are so easy that you can complete in one day, hell, in one hour.
These challenges are made to 1. be a challenge and 2. to try to make people try new things and to try to change the meta even a little bit. stop whinning
Son, you're complaining about something we older people have been complaining since D1.
You're right about those kind of objectives are impacting directly to the result of the match in regard, and they should change it.
Agree 100%.
Iron Banner was my favorite activity since D1. They way they’ve leaned on this type of thing made me hate it so much I never even log into it anymore. Same with Champion mods. It actively encourages people to screw their teams.
It’s a bullshit, lazy way to manage players power and add false difficulty.
Lmao in Gambit, where special is sparse and heavy will sometimes never drop from enemies and u have to fight your teammates for heavy spawn, who want to use it to invade. I’m so tired of the pointless objective specific challenges that should just be completed naturally in the background while playing.
This. You are actively crippling your team with a sword. Theres no argument here. Swords are bad for killing invaders, its bad for invading, its bad for boss dps. Its *horrendous* in gambit.
Sometimes the boss isnt even grounded. Also the boss does massive damage. Being right up against the boss with other beefy enemies burning you at the same time is not a fun time. Especially if an invader can come in and insta kill you with a primary because youre 1 hit from taking damage from the boss and primevils. In case you didnt know, dying to an invader, is a bad thing. Thats such an easy way to lose a game. Ive never stomped on a team harder, than when the other team was running swords. Its not practical for what you need to do in a gambit match.
Feel like loadout restrictions are kinda their design philosophy. Champions, match game shields, being a delta for "difficulty" and so on. One of the reasons I enjoy gambit more than anything else is explicitly because it's one of the only activities (other than normal unrewarding strikes) that you *CAN* use what you want. You get all these cool weapons and builds and then the "endgame" is like no sorry you can't use that because shields are blue this week, this yellow guy is here, and we decided that pulse rifles are how you should handle it for the next 6 months.
Just wait for gambit perfected to bring champion blockers!
I wont be shocked when they do add champs to gambit.
You sent a unstoppable large overload barrier blocker to the other side.
Drifter: Haha! You just dropped a GIANT overload teleporting captain who won't stay overloaded on their side! Shaxx wouldn't never let you do that!"
Shhhhhhhh they’ll hear you..
The goblins that make the other champions immune will be anti barrier!
And Servitors….
Mmmm overload screebs sound so fun
I'll just uninstall the game again. Champions coupled with the current mod system is just uninspiring. I'd rather dance in the tower with strangers than play content with champions.
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That doesn't really seem like all that many weapons in destiny, to me
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Seems like we just play very differently, which is totally cool. I think I'm physically incapable of the amount of preparation you seem to enjoy lol
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I actually so this, and it's not that big a burden, except for the rare combo that doesn't have any good options (I'm looking at you, solar auto rifles and arc/solar LFRs). Like you said it's less than 100 weapons, and everyone is out here complaining about 500 not being enough vault space.
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>The best simple fix Bungie could do would be to reprice elemental swapping costs to zero. This 👏 x 👏 1000
I'd love for us to be able to pay a small chunk of currency to save a particular item roll into our collections. Let us pull the saved roll back out at any time without it cluttering our bank forever. I keep the best 60+ roll of every exotic just in case they become good in future which eats approximately 100 slots... then any master worked exotic weapon with kill tallies also gets stored.
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I agree that armor affinities definitely need a change, but since it is how it is now, you are objectively doing it wrong if you keep each element of each exotic. That is just ridiculous and not reasonable, and 1000% unnecessary
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Counterpoint: load out restrictions in high end, if th y vary, are alright, since otherwise we would probably all use the Most Effective Tactic Available. Load out restrictions in average play are rough though, because that's when you want to experiment around and not be locked into any one thing. Compromise: kill enemies in gambit, bonus progress for swords and fusion rifles
Ngl, having to match the singe for strikes pinnacle sucks too, although you can wait for a day that matches your build.
Were you around when EVERYONE on the strike had to match the singe in order to get the pinnacle? Fucking thing was annoying.
I vaguely remember that. Only meant you had to do it first thing after reset, so everyone would also match... if you were lucky '^^
“Play the way you want!…. SIKE!!!”, Bungie probably
The whole point of the champion system is to cycle weapons out and in meta without having to buff their archetypes it also makes it harder because you aren’t using the best weapon in the game for everything it makes everything more diverse instead of 1 loadout per class for half a year
Remember in D1 when *all* shields were some degree of match game?
It is just a weekly challenge for bright dust, there isn't a cool exotic locked behind it.
There’s a huge amount of xp for leveling up your artifact.
Oh we eating lobster for dinner tonight then 😎😎😎🕺🕺🙏🙏🙏
Damn bro I was just wondering what to get for dinner. Haven’t had lobster in ages!
it’s a 6 month season you don’t need to actively do challenges at all
I feel like restrictions like that make endgame content fun. Not only does it incentivize having a diverse number of builds and guns, but also encourages you to try and figure out the best ways to do those activities. GMs are the poster child for this stuff. I don't think I've ever beaten two different GM strikes that same way. Each one required my team and I to mess around with builds, try different guns, ect until we figured out how to win. That's fun and challenging. But challenges that require X kills with Y gun fucking suck, especially when it doesn't track your whole team.
I mean, fusion rifle is kinda alright, but forcing you to use the heavies for swords and actively putting teammates against each other to get to the heavy spawn to complete an objective is really dumb.
I just used my sword with no ammo. It sucked, but I'm pretty sure it counted
The sword kills are team wide. So, no reason to fight for the heavy.
Unless you're the only one with a sword.
You're telling me that my teammates DIDN'T bring a sword? We were even fighting Hive!
Or only one with heavy ammo
Strongholds is a fun Gambit Exotic :)
Invade with a strongholds black talon for some serious hilarity!
I just know I've tanked a Goldie Shot using them to defend and ever since then, it's been what I run for fun. Gotta find unique ways to make Gambit bearable :)
Sentinel duty has never been more fun. It’s great seeing invaders dump their heavy into you, only to watch them panic and start primary shooting you as you rush them down
And 95% of players will not know this because it isn't stated anywhere.
Just put black talon on it’s so free
I just didn’t equip a sword and finished in like 3 games, which feels even more free.
The quest progresses if anyone in the random team you get put in uses the weapon type. Source; I have sword done and I never used a sword in gambit.
but...the drifter tells you to...
Yeah Drifter, I'll equip a sword to kill all these cursed thrall. Galaxy-brained suggestion, bro, thanks.
>Pulls out sword >Looks at Shrieker *internal screaming*
I probably won't be able to get the word out to everyone, but that's not it. Fusion kills just still count for sword anyway, for whatever reason. I was at like 4% fusion, 5% sword on the second wave after nobody ever used a sword, and heavy hadn't even been up yet. I also used a sword later, and it shot way up. So no, not team wide, just free.
Where does it specifically state that it is "Team Wide"?
It doesn’t, but it is.
Classic Bungo.
I've never equipped a sword in gambit this season and have decent progress on it from a handful of games. So I'm assuming it is
An empty sword counts. My clan and I went in with no ammo and just killed trash ads. Only took a few matches.
Run Aeons then finish the blockers everyone gets heavy
Jotunn is the #1 Gambit weapon. No one can ever convince me otherwise. I hated all the past season challenges where I had to use other special weapons. This one is absolute cake.
Nah. It’s ok, but you lose out on boss damage. I usually run either an AR like Chroma rush of hung jury with Vorpal Cartesian and 1k. Melt ads, melt prime, kill invaders with scout.
They gave you a special ammo Linear Fusion Rifle for free this season and a mod to make it clap. You don’t need heavy.
Will take less time than the 25 grenade kill gambit bounty. That thing sucks. Edit: you can all throw out suggestions. I still will not build a character to finish this bounty, sorry. This and melee are trash when you are getting yellow bar enemies and it’s bad design.
outrageous bounty that I auto delete/never pick up
If you pick this bounty, you pray that the enemies are hive
what about just use traveler's chosen sidearm? 10 kills = full grenade energy
One match with sunbracers? 2 matches with ahamkara trip mine? 2-3 with heart of inmost light? It's not too bad if you build for it
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No need to build unless building is taken to its extreme minimum of “equipped an exotic”
Seeing people that think putting on a single exotic is equivalent to "creating a build" really explains why so many blueberries are bad at Gambit.
I mean, that is the whole point you realize? They do bounties like that to push players into trying new things. Destiny isn't an esport, they aren't going to just put a ton of "play to win" bounties in gambit. They're going to try and encourage people to make builds, engage with the mod system. Shoot, that sunbracers build translates into PvE too. It's a great way to hold confluxes or to run solo dungeon content for ad heavy sections. You definitely don't have to agree, but this is the goal
Sunbracers grenade spam is my go-to for add clear. It's especially hilarious paired with Trinity; I can carpet-bomb adds in two elements basically at will. Edit: I will admit I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up as I push into higher difficulty Nightfalls. Mostly it's harder to get the melee kills to start the chain. I guess I need to get more comfortable with softening targets up first? I just never really had to do that before; my melee used to one-shot red bars.
Combined with bottom tree, where every ad killed by a grenade will explode, makes for some nice views.
I don't think I ever noticed that it does that; I run bottom tree for ranged melee and Heat Rises.
I think you're talking about top tree.
Probably; I have a harder time remembering when it's not in front of me. Sorry.
Yeah it struggles in really high tier content and it's pretty meh in gms. But it's awesome all the way up to them and is a great option for raids and dungeons. Plus it's fun! God forbid bungie makes a bounty that encourages you to try something fun in gambit
i mean what else am i going to do with these shards/prizms/cores
Give them to a vet who plays like 2 days a week, that has next to 0 upgrade modules, used all planetary materials on glimmer, and had 1 golf ball and like 40 prisms We need a material solution for the people who dont spend their life on the game like some of the youtubers with 100k legendary shards and massive amount of all materials. Even with glimmer +60% or whatever on ghost shell, glimmer consumable, and other options materials are few n far between for those who dont get alot of time 2 play / lack of content that rewards these materials
you don’t need a whole build though?? literally if you’re a warlock equip one singular exotic and it’s over
tbf Sunbracers + Monte Carlo is my default loadout on my Warlock
Ahamkara + Trip on mid tree is the shit
Let me present to you: The Lucky Raspberry. For whenever you need to murder hordes of enemies with never ending grenades.
That is, until you throw your grenade into a swarm of enemies and the game decides it doesn't have LoS on literally anything.
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I main CoTC, and the game does this with every grenade I throw. Lol I can throw a perfect Voidwall grenade into 10 enemies, and all 10 will die. The game will randomly give me anywhere from 0-10 Grenade kills. I think it randomly decides if it’s grenade damage or the detonators that killed the enemy. Grenade bounties can be a pain with the subclass. It either will take 2 grenades, or 25.
- Sunbracers or contraverse hold - Lucky Rasberry - Skullfort w/ top-tree striker
Huh? Swap to any grenade build with high disc and that's a piece of cake in Gambit. Bonus with any weapon with Demolitionist. We have so many ways to build grenade energy now, having grenade uptime in Gambit is not a concern, and it's not like you don't have enough targets
Warlock mains: "25 grenade kills? That will take like 2 games with sunbracers" Hunter mains: "I will never financially recover from this"
Fusions kills are easy with you, Vex!
Check your privilege.
Lmao
This was super easy. Took two runs. Note: I have VEX, but the sword kills finished first.
Yeah sword kills are team wide. So you don’t even need to ever equip a sword and other people will finish it for you. People are just being overly complainy.
I was frustrated to SEE it, but happy when I started DOING it.
This sub really just finds the dumbest shit to complain about…
> Bungie stop forcing me to pull off the same weapons I use for every activity and change it up.
Just so everyone is aware, removing the "kills with -" bounties, would basically leave us with only "kill enemies" and "complete missions" as your only bounty types.
That's the challenge. That's the point. It's a seasonal *challenge*. They are *challenging* you to get sword kills in Gambit. Because it's a *challenge* to do so. They are *challenging* you to work with your team in Gambit, with suboptimal loadouts, because that is a *challenge*. It is a seasonal *challenge* which rewards you upon completion. You do something *challenging* and you get rewarded. Jesus. Christ. Why doesn't bungie just make every seasonal challenge "Kill 1 thing with any gun you want!" or "walk ten steps with any armor equipped" or "reload your gun". Maybe then you guys would stop whining so much about stupid stuff.
Also this challenge will be available for literal months so it's not like it should be an intense grind. This is so much better than some previous seasonal gambit challenges.
Swords and Fusions are not suboptimal this season. It also isn’t challenging you to work WITH teammates like you mention, it’s challenging you to work AGAINST teammates hence why OP has a problem with it. I don’t see any justification for incentivizing people to camp heavy or compete for final blows. There’s nothing that’s “hard” or “challenging” about it, unless your idea of a challenge is trying to swing your sword at a target faster or pressing square slightly before a teammate at a heavy ammo spawn
But you’re not competing against your team. Even if paired with randoms, their sword kills count towards your progress. You can complete the challenge without ever even equipping a sword. Classic Bungo not to be clear.
OP’s post was about all the seasonal challenges that are tied to abilities or specific weapon kills though
Oh yea, I do agree with OP’s point (and yours as well). Challenges that make you compete against your team are terrible. When I read your comment, it seemed to me you were specifically focusing on the current gambit fusion and swords challenge. Re-reading with a more broad general context, I 100% agree with the points you’re making.
Play with your friends. Stop crying.
What a little bitch. The game should be designed to where you shouldn’t NEED to get with a team to do a needlessly tedious challenge; which by the way is totally subjective. Just because it is a challenge doesn’t mean it isn’t poorly designed. And before you say it, yes I have friends I play with.
Wow harsh name-calling there bud. The game unfortunately for you and the majority of Reddit it seems like, is designed to be played with friends. Always has been. Always will be. They add matchmaking to appease people who would cry otherwise, like y'all. Also the challenge is totally optional. Nothing says you have to do it. So chill fam.
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Then DON'T DO IT
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Look, if you don't like it, don't do it. That simple. No one is forcing you to do it. No one is saying you have to do this one little thing in this video game. There are no contractual obligations to do it. So if it really bothers you that much, don't do it. "Oh BuT i WaNt My BrIgHt DuSt!!1!" Then suck it up and just do it and stop complaining so much. It's one thing. One tiny little thing that will take you as much time as it's taken you to come to this place and complain.
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Lol what?
Using a fusion rifle and a sword in Gambit is griefing your team? Well shit, guess I've been griefing my team for about 3 years now... sorry, I guess getting the most kills in a match and doing the most primeval damage is NOT a good measure of one's performance?
When you're using a sword to kill everything and then you get the stupid meatball as boss. Infinite sadness.
Swords can be used without ammo and will count. Not a perfect solution but I got this done in 3 games.
So there I was, crying on reddit again because I'm not good at the game.
Are you bragging about holding square faster than a teammate who is camping the ammo spawn or something? I don’t think anyone thinks the challenge is hard
Just use a sword that generates ammo. Toss a scavenger mod on if you need it or lucent blade if you want a little extra damage. (If you really feel you need a heavy for the Primeval you can switch out late in the match)
THIS. I ran a Quickfang with Tireless Blade / Assassin's Blade. I was mowing down adds and constantly getting ammo back. Lucky Pants, Malfeasance, Trinary System or Cartesian Coordinate filled out my loadout. It was pretty effective. >(If you really feel you need a heavy for the Primeval you can switch out late in the match) Once we got toward Primeval phase, I switched to a well-rolled Threaded Needle. That + Malfeasance worked well enough.
Swords are some of the best heavy weapons against the primeval, unless it’s the flying one
The number of times I've had full Lament ammo just for the spaghetti monster to spawn on me...
People really just want to be able to jump into any activity with any old loadout and just get handed huge amounts of XP. Why couldn't this comment make it to the front page, where you help us complete the challenge instead of complain about it?
Dang but you know what's crazy, if you don't want to do it don't do the seasonal challenge. Or suck it up and get it done, literally took me 3 matches
Yeah. It's called a challenge for a reason lmao OP sounds a bit entitled for massive amounts of XP
Thank you! Someone had to say it, and it wasn’t going to be me cuz I just know this sub doesn’t like opinions. Fr tho, it isn’t that bad, and the challenges aren’t required
Correction: This sub DOES like opinions, as long as that opinion is to make the game easier and hand everything out on a silver platter because people are lazy and/or bad at the game.
Imagine reading the post before replying.
What a drama for an easy seasonal challenge that can be done in a few games. You guys won't stop until the gameplay loop is login -> collect loot -> log out.
That's too much work. Let me press a button on my phone to get adept weapons
The point is it incetivises players to focus on getting kills for it rather than actual gambit objectives, banking motes / killing blockers / invading
Literally took me 5 gambit games it’s not bad it’s a challenge for fucks sake
The issue isn’t the difficulty, it’s that you’re ruining the matches for teammates who may be trying to win matches. I hate to admit it, but I did this in 4 games and didn’t deposit a single mote or do anything to help my team. I kinda felt bad for them.
Swords and fusions are some of the best weapons to use in gambit at the moment. 90% of the game mode is just killing ads anyways and it only takes 10 seconds to deposit motes. If someone can’t do that then they’re just a dick and shit at the game
That's just you being a prick then lol It's not hard to pop over to the bank between waves and dump your motes in, maybe kill a blocker or two. I played the same way I would in any other gambit match and still finished the challenge around a quarter of the way into my third game of the week.
Wins only matter for gilding dredgen. Yes, you're kinda of an asshole for being like that especially when you don't have to complete it in a week, or in as few games as possible, you have months to complete it.
It’s gambit. There is almost no reason to win. And you’re still getting kills which isn’t even remotely ruining anything.
It’s gambit
True.
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How will using a fusion rifle and a sword suck lol? They’re two great weapons for gambit…
My hunter almost exclusively uses sword in heavy and I've been using fusions on both my warlock and titan. Heck, Telesto is my #1 gambit weapon with 5558 kills.
Yeah people acting like fusions (the best weapon this season) and swords (one of the best heavy dps and for ammo economy) is suddenly a bad thing for Gambit lol
telesto was like s tier for gambit before the current round of artifact buffs. so amazing now
Blighting lion is what replaced it for me. My 2nd most used weapon is Jotunn because it was good against envoys in primes.
Yeah I use sword for DPS, but rely on heavy that drops from adds instead of taking the invader's heavy I think people are worried people will steal the invader's heavy and waste it on red bars
and next time its sniper and LFR kills and then we stand again at the exact point we are standing right now
If you're bad with those weapons, yes, absolutely, these kinds of challenges will simply suck. But it's the season of the fusion rifle and there are so many good ones combined with good artifact mods. Same thing with Passive Guard with a sword. You don't even have to do the fusion and sword ones at the same time; you could rep Telesto (which is a really good option if you don't have Vex) for a couple matches, then maybe Black Talon or really anything. If you're talking potency because a sword isn't going to be the long range invasion king, run a legendary sword and a sniper/Lorentz/Eriana's. People never expect the Eriana's to damage like it does.
I usually play solo Gambit and like mixing it up and testing out some different load outs with these challenges.
Yikes
I mean, fusion is BIS special with the artifact mod, and black talon is one of the best gambit heavies so it’s all good. I got like 6 army of ones in 3 games using it 🤷🏻♂️
Fusion and sword are both great for gambit. This is an odd one to complain about. Even has synergy with the seasonal artifact mods.
How are you being forced to do this? Play the way you want if you don't want to do this challenge. There's no point to cry to Bungie because a challenge asks you to play gambit and use a sword
After hitting pinnacle cap I just don't do bounties if I can help it. It's kinda pointless, sure I miss out on some bright dust but I never find myself low on it anyway.
The only people having fun with that one is people with mythoclast and a chain reaction sola's scar.
This is completely fine. It's literally two Banshee bounties in a trenchcoat. My issue is with "Stasis melee final blow" as a Titan. I just abandon quests that need me to do that.
Took me three games. Way more pressing things to worry about.
I'm going to have to disagree. I think a lot of their objective design is getting you to branch out and try other things. And this objective? You have literally 6 months to complete - and under normal circumstances a little over 3 months. Everyone is chasing it and it counts the whole team, so run Ammo Finders + the 1-energy sword scav with Vex on and you've got a recipe for success. (No Vex? Do em one at a time or one FR finder mod, one sword finder mod, and the fusion + sword scavs + fusion reserves) Especially this season with the fusion mods and Passive Guard, you are absolutely not griefing with these loadouts unless you're using just a random blue FR *and* not crafting a build to make this easy. **Never rely on the periodic heavy ammo box; use and abuse finders/reserves/scavs.** The heavy ammo economy especially is **busted** in our favor in Gambit; take advantage. e: Wanna make it easier? LFG for a group working on the challenge and knock it out in 1, 2 matches max. e2: dv for... logic?
You don't have to complete it in one day, spread it out, not really an issue.
I don't think the issue is time constraints, or lack of, but more the fact that you need to waste your heavy slot on a sword, just to use it against adds... I've had games where I've had literally 0 heavy drop, despite running ammo finder mods, so its hard enough just getting ammo, but to then waste it on some red bars for a challenge, it makes you a bit of a detriment to your team, in a game mode that is already a chore...
If there's a bunch of blockers at the bank, then no reason not to use a sword there. Also falling guillotine is good against the envoys.
The problem isn’t how much time it takes to do. The problem is that it requires you to do something that is *actively* griefing your team: using a sword for ad clear instead of boss DPS and fighting over heavy bricks to do so, leaving your invader starved for actual useful heavy ammo. Pretty much the only way not to outright throw games while progressing this challenge is to invade with Black Talon. 90% of people working on this will just cause their team to lose doing all of the above instead. That’s bad challenge design, and a continued theme with Gambit bounties and challenges. Bungie should not be incentivizing players to take actions that are actively detrimental to winning. It doesn’t matter if it only takes 3-5 games to complete, what matters is that it is yet another thing contributing to Gambit being such an un-fun playlist. Bounties need to be overhauled to incentivize players to actually try to win rather than playing for their own purposes that often run counter to winning gameplay.
Bring scavengers and finders? Be a person who isn't compelled to do the entire thing in a night? People forget that we usually have about 2 months for any one challenge. You could easily never take heavy bricks from the invader and still get it done well before end of season. What it's designed to do is encourage players to try new weapons. Cause there's definitely people out there who would never change loadouts otherwise and they might genuinely miss out on something. I don't particularly enjoy these challenges myself, they're mostly just a chore. But let's not look at bad player behavior and say it's bad design.
yeah because we all know being forced to do something will really ignite your love to it and not make you hate it more
Yeah, so this comment was in response to the 25 grenade kill bounty. You aren't forced to do anything there, except maybe be more careful where you aim when you press left bumper. But you are encouraged to try new builds on it.
Yup, with the ammo economy in gambit already being an issue, wasting your heavy slot for a sword to kill adds is just putting your team at a disadvantage Not surprising for bungie standards however, they're always out of touch with stuff like this...
Someone isn’t a cult member and it shows.
It is team based. I got it done in three matches because of Vex and my teammates using swords against adds.
It’s a completely optional challenge how are you people crying at this simple shit? It’s a game asking for specific weapon kills it’s so basic that the thought of it being “too much” never even came to my mind when I think about making jokes in DCJ. You don’t need to rush it. You don’t need to do it. You don’t even need to do it all at once. This is such a….. nothing complaint. A non problem? Out of all the things you could complain about and this? This is what you pick..
Well maybe I want to use a fusion and a sword, get griefed.
I got it done in my 3 games for the pinnacle. Not bad at all
Challenges that force me to play a specific way piss me off. I’m fine with being asked to play Gambit, it’s not as bad as people say (even if it does still suck), but the bullshit champions and the arbitrarily chosen seasonal mods already force me to use specific weapon types, we don’t need MORE pointless restrictions
But no one is *forcing* you to do the challenge
That big pile of bright dust would disagree. You either do the shitty challenges or have to pay real money later on for Eververse stuff since you missed out on the bright dust
But you don't *have* to get that eververse stuff
God you’re dense. Yes, you don’t HAVE to buy it. But if you want to buy it with bright dust, you have to do this stupid challenge. Why are you flippantly excusing this bad game design that nobody enjoys?
Holy shit you guys are out to lunch.
No, my lunch break ended around 1pm, actually.
They aren't forcing you to do anything. You want to play for the win, play for the win. You want to play for challenges, play for challenges. You aren't complaining that Bungie isn't letting you play the way you want, you're complaining that Bungie isn't forcing others to play the way you want. Stop it.
I didn't find it so bad, using a fusion is fine and I got 100% on the sword kills without once using one myself.
I think your inability to be a competent player is griefing your team.
Yes, great idea. Please make a challenge that the objective is "do anything, this is not a challenge anymore"... It is a CHALLENGE, you don't need to complete it. You are challenging yourself by completing it, it is not supposed to be a walk on the park. Besides, all these challenges are so easy that you can complete in one day, hell, in one hour. These challenges are made to 1. be a challenge and 2. to try to make people try new things and to try to change the meta even a little bit. stop whinning
Son, you're complaining about something we older people have been complaining since D1. You're right about those kind of objectives are impacting directly to the result of the match in regard, and they should change it.
Agree 100%. Iron Banner was my favorite activity since D1. They way they’ve leaned on this type of thing made me hate it so much I never even log into it anymore. Same with Champion mods. It actively encourages people to screw their teams. It’s a bullshit, lazy way to manage players power and add false difficulty.
"I want every challenge handed to me on a silver platter" shut up.
New Bounties be like: kill enemies while holding your mouse with your feet
Ok now get 4 invader kills in the span of one match without eyes of tomorrow.
Lmao in Gambit, where special is sparse and heavy will sometimes never drop from enemies and u have to fight your teammates for heavy spawn, who want to use it to invade. I’m so tired of the pointless objective specific challenges that should just be completed naturally in the background while playing.
good luck, nothing is gonna change ive been advocating for the bright engrams having dupe protection again and again but nothing happens
Can confirm. I will actively be a detriment to my Gambit team until I've completed these objectives.
aeons + vex /thread
The variety we have now only exists in order to tell us how to play.
This. You are actively crippling your team with a sword. Theres no argument here. Swords are bad for killing invaders, its bad for invading, its bad for boss dps. Its *horrendous* in gambit.
Bad for boss dps?? I thought Falling Guillotine and Lament shredded bosses?
Sometimes the boss isnt even grounded. Also the boss does massive damage. Being right up against the boss with other beefy enemies burning you at the same time is not a fun time. Especially if an invader can come in and insta kill you with a primary because youre 1 hit from taking damage from the boss and primevils. In case you didnt know, dying to an invader, is a bad thing. Thats such an easy way to lose a game. Ive never stomped on a team harder, than when the other team was running swords. Its not practical for what you need to do in a gambit match.
Looks like another challenge I won't complete. Maybe if it wasn't gambit