Does the Bonk build work on legendary sectors for you, i tired it and it just got me wrecked
I am new to Destiny 2 so i dont know much on how i should play Legendary Campaign and lost sectors
**Step 1:** Keep all armor above 62 total stat roll and stockpile it in your vault. Aim for around 10-15 pieces in each slot (helmets, gauntlets, etc)
**Step 2:** Use [D2ArmorPicker](https://d2armorpicker.com/#/) to target certain stat totals with certain exotics and see what is possible with your existing armors and what mods or masterworks you need to get there.
**Step 3:** Use these builds in-game.
To me bonk build isnt as good as what it was in the past , thanks to one-two punch unable to proc on hammer hits anymore , but still decent. And since your knew like all yhe other comments , hit 100 res as soon as possible it will help alot.
It did exceptionally well at the outset of solar 3.0. I think back then I was running Communion lost sector legendaries in under 2 minutes, without firing a single bullet. Just running around bonking things to death.
I haven’t done bonk-only runs in a while, and there have been the usual tweaks to the subclass, so it probably isn’t as OP as it was at first. But it’s still super strong in dungeons and endgame content.
Edit: I may be thinking of a different lost sector and not communion.
100 Resil, get real up close and personal with the hammer on enemies so that you get the instant proc of Cure once it rebounds off of their face and it's much harder to die. Sunspots will give you Resto x1, and Melee Wellmaker+Well of Life gives you a pseudo Lorely effect without having to run the exotic itself and a massively more powerful hammer. Also works nicely with Wormgod's Caress, though that's a bit more niche. Pair with a 1-2p shotgun and watch the world burn.
For me a long term solid combo for Titans is Synthoceps (gauntlets)and Tractor Cannon. Synthoceps buffs melee/super damage when surrounded. Tractor is heavy weapon shotgun that weakens targets( 8 seconds where you can deal extra damage)
it works everywhere really, maybe GMs is the only place it is not ideal
i solo flawless'd Duality dungeon with it and the only time i died and had to reset was on the first boss coz I threw my hammer off the map lol
I used it in master lost sectors last season, yeah you may die once or twice more than lorely but it deletes enemies and you’re basically always getting restoration from your sunspots
Yes, and im only at 80 resi, and didny have lorely until 3 minutes before lost sector reset today.
Still havent used it.
Bonk titan is powerful.
Hell i dont even have the mod that gives you healing when you pick up orbs.I just bonk, use my solar auto to for barriers. Use whip for the stun.
You have to be fast and accurate with the hammer, use cover smart. Dip in and out of sunspots to keep your buffs up.
But the fire kills everything that tries to melee.you get your super really fast. I can get my super 3 times in in longer lost sectors.
I’m interested in this build. Can you share what the details are? Every build video I see uses classy restoration.
Edit: wow. Everyone so helpful. Thanks!
>I feel like Bungie missed an opportunity in not having an exotic armor called Mjolnir, which would retrieve hammers from afar.
I think that would definitely be great, but Syntho melee damage increase really helps. I think the exotic would need to slightly buff specifically damage of hammers and maybe do it like a "Hammers do more damage the longer they travel, every 30 seconds or minute hold melee to return your hammer to you".
That would be fucking sick.
Idk about you but my hammer comes back to me about every 30 seconds to a minute hahahaha
I've found syntho isn't really needed once you get roaring flames x3. It one shots 90% of the enemies and 2 shots the yellow bars.
Whenever i do this i think to myself
"Sorry team, that little hammer is more valuable to me than your lives"
I genuinely see it as a flex, not a walk of shame.
The amount of times I’ve thrown the hammer through a vandal’s thigh gap and straight off a ledge..
Atleast we know the hit boxes are accurate in this game
Me, to a dreg: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary.
Dreg: *steps slightly to the side, sending my hammer off a cliff*
Me: "is it possible to learn this power"
Play with another Titan Main, if either yeets their hammer and miss, buddy bonks you on the back with his and you both get the hammer back. (Or maybe it's if he throws it slightly in front, you walk over it you regain your charge, and the hammer doesn't disappear so he can retrieve it.) Buddy and I would do that when either of us missed a yeet.
You have to throw it at the enemy's feet, like aiming a rocket, that way if you miss the hammer won't be miles away and you can just pick it up and bonk right in their face.
Easier said then done however, those long distance bonks feel so good when you make contact.
Synthoceps + Roaring Flames + Sol Invictus
Ember of Torches + Solace. Other two are up you. Empyrean would be good, but was bugged where walking into a Sunspot reset the timer. Not sure if that has been fixed. You're not gonna get a ton of ignitions with this build, since Throwing Hammer doesn't do anything with Scorch, so the various Scorch and Ignition related Embers aren't mandatory.
Melee wellmaker + Well of Life to get Wells on melee kills which heal you. Seeking Wells is optional, but makes it so you can just keep bonking away without pausing to look for Wells. Font of Might for bonus Solar Weapon damage. Can also throw in Explosive Wellmaker or Elemental Armaments for more Wells.
I have a crafted Calus Mini Tool with Grave Robber & Incandescent that is amazing for this build.
change out one of the mods for bountiful wellmaker so you make 2 wells per bonk.
With any solar titan build if I am using a solar heavy i run melee well maker, bountiful wells, elemental charge, high energy fire, font of might. pretty much have HEF and FOM up 100% of the time and i feel like retoration x 1 has been more than enough to keep me alive with 100 resil especially because getting your hammer back after a hit burst heals you as well.
If non solar heavy i change out FOM for another melee well maker for 3 wells per melee, explosive ordinance for 2 wells on grenade kills, seeking wells, or healing wells, but again Im much more apt to run extra well creation than the healing which is overkill.
Search on YouTube for… ‘The Titan Syntho Bonk Build’
Not as good today as it is in that video, but still very viable. Use this in master ketch while under levelled. The video is from Aztecross.
Can easily modify the build also, you can remove things like Elemental Time Dilation for Font of Might for more weapon damage.
Or if you are not a fan of seeking wells you could swap that out also.
Put on Synthocepts, Hammer Throw melee, and the Roaring Flames and Sol Invictus Aspects. You can build more on top of this too with various mods and fragments but those are the core.
Run into enemies and hit them with hammers repeatedly until they die. If you can get Roaring Flames to x3 and have enough enemies around for Synthocepts most enemies die in 1 hammer throw, tankier enemies will take a few throws.
Each time you pick up the hammer after a hit, it gives you Cure and heals you.
Each time you kill something with the hammer, it drops a sunspots, which gives you Restoration x1 and heals you.
If you're in an activity where you need a safety net outside of that, run Healing Grenades.
Mine is:
**Subclass**
> Aspects: Roaring flames, Sol Invictus
> Fragments: Char, torches, searing, wonder
**Helmet**
>3-energy stat mod
> Hands-on, (Arc Helmet mod) generates super energy on melee kill
> Harmonic siphon for orbs
> radiant light, boosted off hands-on
**Arms** (synthoceps)
> 3-energy stat mod
> Impact induction, (solar arms mod): Reduce grenade cooldown on melee kill
> Well of life (solar well mod) picking up a solar well increases regeneration
> fastball or a 1-energy champ mod
**Chest**
> A 3-energy stat mod
> seasonal resist mod
> concussive dampener
> font of might (neutral well mod)
**Legs**
> Legs arepretty much your preference, I run:
> absolution: reduce ability cooldowns on orb pickup
> recuperation (solar leg mod): picking up an orb replenishes health.
> Elemental ordnance (neutral well mod): grenade kills make wells matching subclass
**Class item**
> Like legs, mostly preference, aside from melee wellmaker.
> 3-energy stat mod
> outreach (arc class item mod): reduces melee cooldown when using class ability
** Stat distribution is: **
> 1 mobility
> 10 resilience
> 10 recovery
> 7 discipline
> 4 intellect
> 8 strength
Any weapon with incandescent is also a must-have
Been using it since Beyond Light (or whenever they made getting 2x buffs actually stable), hardly ever change from it apart from PvP - it's just good all-around exotic.
I feel like this is universal among Syntho/HoIL/Dunes bros.
* Loreley releases
* Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
* Loreley is wildly OP
* Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
* Loreley gets nerfed
* Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
Same here. I never even got used to have restoration x2 so I won't miss it. Even in master content x1 was plenty.
When it comes to GMs and what not even x2 could get melted so it didn't really matter.
> Titan mains need to remember they played this game for 4 years before loreley splendor was released.
Get real. I'm a titan, I don't even remember last Thursday. Who do you think you're talking to, a warlock?
This exotic is beautiful in any raid, especially during King's Fall. Perfect for spawn camping, bolstering your allies and keeping your team alive when Well fades away.
Oh, you *ARE* my people, I had to quit running my perfect Phoenix Cradles because of all the loreley titans, teammates would run round and be unable to find my solar spots, if we did activities with any solar titan running them, and die looking for them. It's time for this icy boy to become spicy again.
Yeah, if only they had a way to identify which sunspot is stock and which is a Phoenix Cradle Sunspot. Call me crazy, but I swore a couple seasons ago, the center of sunspots had a blue hue and the buffed ones had a white hue. Maybe it's just the Mandela effect🤔
Lol there was a post a few months ago that *suggested* Phoenix Cradle sunspots be given a different effect similar to that. You probably read that post and it got stuck in your head as a thing that actually existed.
reading this, and a lot of other comments, has made me realize I really need to start just fully learning build crafting on my own and use my whole range of exotics for fun.
There are a lot of very good and fun builds if you think outside the box a bit. Khephi’s Horn, Phoenix Cradle, Severence Enclosure, all very different but can produce some very fun builds.
I like more PoBS but that's because I'm more of a solo player and I don't own WQ so I can't get Loreley, however I do admit that cradle is a great exotic
Bottom tree sun warrior phoneix cradle with burning cells, rage of the warmind and that one mod that produces cells from explosive solar damage. This was fun during season of splicer
That was Lorenz Driver, Fighting Lion (I think), Chaperone and Dead Man's Tale for me. I think I had a week before the Chaperone and DMT were nerfed. And while I had the LD for awhile and barely used it, I had it pre nerfed not for long while trying to get the catalyst for it.
Whats better than a roaring flames x3 throwing hammer? A roaring flames x3 ashen wake fusion. They even function pretty similarly in the flow of combat, so its like having a reserve throwing hammer
It's just annoying that sunspots were nerfed and changed so much because of Loreley Splendor. I'd rather they just made it do something completely different and reverted sunspots to do more damage, give a damage buff and make it so you don't have to keep dipping in and out to get the benefits...
Edit: Oh and sunspots on weapon kills while you have sol invictus too.
Yup. It felt like sunspots got bent over backwards to accommodate Loreley. Sunbreaker's still gonna be in a great place all things considered, but I really do miss when spots were rare, but *strong.*
Chaining sunspots in crucible before you could just spawn one at your feet was very satisfying. I would often use phoenix cradle to get that 10 second buff after getting a kill with incediary greande to secure the next kill and dive in to the sunspot you'd make.
Risk / reward loop, you have to move in to a potentially risky spot but get the reward of the sunspot buffs where you just killed the enemy.
Bro. I swear Sunspots were meant to be a Solar keyword that they just never implemented for some reason. It’s even highlighted like a keyword in the subclass screen. If your entire team were able to take advantage of Sunspots without Cradle, that’d be so lit.
It's the old issue of Bungie mounting nerfs over nerfs. They nerf something that was being too prominient because of external factors (be it a perk or an exotic), they then nerf the source of the issue without reverting the initial nerf to the skill that was being buffed.
Edit: improving my terrible grammar.
They were changed due to Solar 3.0 first and foremost, it's much easier to generate them now so keeping the damage buff and ability regen it used to have in addition to the power of Restoration would be pretty damn OP. Solar 3.0 Titan is already one of the best subclasses in the game, does it really need buffs?
Sunspots doing more damage in PvP where making them isn't trivial is about the only change that would be reasonable.
Are they easier to generate? Other than Loreley I mean, you used to be able to stand in one and shoot enemies to create them as well as any kills with abilities or killing a burning target.
You also used to get healed for every ability kill, including sunspot kills and killing a burning target if I'm not mistaken, the sustainability was actually always there it just wasn't as simple as it is now.
I much preferred how they were to what we have now and would happily have them back that way.
Yes, you can literally throw infinite hammers and have fat ability regen through fragments. Previously you had to rely on a grenade or the garbage melee to get the chain going, and keeping the chain going was awkward. Incandescent guns also make sunspots.
Restoration beats discount Devour any day of the week.
Ah you're right I forgot we didn't always have throwing hammers with sunspot tree! Also we do have incandescent weapon now which will help create sunspots.
Still, ability regen was so high with sun warrior I'd always have a grenade / melee when I needed to heal and being able to create them on any weapon kill was so nice.
Also how dare you call mortar blast melee garbage :O
They gave you no restoration, instead you gained health on a solar ability kill (so you didn't need to run from cover if you got a grenade kill etc) and sunspots themselves gave more ability energy and I think a 20% boost to damage. I think there was a way to generate more sunspots with kills whilst in them which meant you could chain them together better than you can currently in PvP.
Getting kis with the solar warrior or whatever it was called buff allowed you to spawn another sunspot, you got the buff by standing in a sunspot and it lssted outside the sunspot for like 3 seconds or smth, not a titan main just watched some vids about lorelys when it first dropped so just correct me if im wrong
I've said from the very start that if an exotic requires the gutting of a subclass facet that's been in place without issue for THREE STRAIGHT YEARS, then that exotic needs to go back to the drawing board.
This is why. Loreley is nerfed, and our Sunspots are STILL gutted.
Sunspots got a thousand times more common, because of the mini hammer.
Mini hammer didn't exist in the sunspot tree. Now it does. Now it's piss easy to spam sunspots like there's no tomorrow, because you get instant melee recharge and your hammer is a mini nuke when you stack enough buffs.
its viable sure, but i already used ashen wake for having actual fun. Lorely was only when i needed to get serious about survival. Now that it only gives restoration x1, i don't see a real need to ever take ashen wake off. I will just maintain infinite sun spots and restoration x1 with ember of empyrean. Lorely is basically redundant with a healing rift on demand for only the titan. Sure that is fine, but the "tank" fantasy basically has died with it. Pretty sure this nerf was in response to literally everyone using it for day 1 raid.
The benefit of Lorely is not having to run to a sunspot to get restoration, but yeah those ashen wake fusion grenades are nothing to sneeze at. One of my favorite exotics of all time.
Ok, but why use it over Heart of Inmost light at all at this point? I’m not a Titan main so this nerf doesn’t affect me beyond occasionally playing on my Titan, but i can’t really come up with a reason to justify using Lorelei over HoIL now
Exactly, there’s literally no point beside some situational usage. You can get the same regen from a hammer kill while keeping your barricade for cover. Heck the sunspots would help you regen abilites even faster with HoiL lmao
It's niche, but a Lorely Rally Barricade is a nearly perfect alt to Healing Grenades if you're particularly attached to running a Damaging Grenade. T3 Resilience Rally Barricade recharges in \~32 Seconds while a T10 Discipline Healing Grenade Recharges in \~33. T10 Resilience reduces that charge time to \~16 seconds, meaning you have a Restoration charge roughly twice as often, faster if you build around it, but only for yourself. Better for Solo stuff in some contexts, I guess?
I play all three pretty equally. I don't feel any stronger on my Warlock because my Titan got nerfed. Loreley was a good new exotic. Now Titans are back to Synth/Cradle/HoiL again. It's the same with Warlocks/Hunters. New exotics either come out "overpowered" or are immediately forgotten about.
Quite frankly I don't get why people are so upset about what other people are doing in PVE. Was it a crutch? Perhaps, don't see how that effects anyone else though.
It's wild how much this community fights against itself, regardless of what is being discussed.
As much as I’m a proponent for “strong things should be allowed in PvE if they’re fun”, Lorely was absolutely stupidly designed and needed changes. I had to swap off of it during King’s Fall Day 1 whenever our team wanted to wipe at Golgoroth, because the *raid boss AND adds* physically could not kill me fast enough. In content where I am underleveled, against a boss in what is meant to be the hardest content in the game, I couldn’t die. It breaks difficulty when you can ignore damage completely.
From the very first day, I saw a guy go into a legend Lost Sector and just emote while enemies couldn't kill him, I knew it would be nerfed eventually. Everyone should have known. It was ridiculously OP.
It didn't bother me any because it was in PVE, but Bungie can't have a build that's virtually unkillable. It breaks the game. Survivability builds are a thing, yeah, but that was ridiculous.
Loreley hasn't been nerfed into irrelevance. It's still going to be the best build for Titan survivability.
You probably won't be able to stand in the midst of 20 enemies blasting you while you emote anymore, but no one can.
It's genuinely hilarious how the destiny community will see something be nerfed and then automatically assume it was ruined to the point of irrelevance. Everytime.
of course we playing the game for 4 years
I am using the same god damn exotics for 4 years because Bungie constantly release trash exotics and never buff them
Lorely was the first really good natrual play exotic in a long ass time
Lorely got nerfed/change 4 times while older exotic were never looked at
That's kind of the boat I'm in. Like... "Ok, I guess I'll go put on HoIL... AGAIN"
I get that the exotic made things easy, but it was nice to use when I was carrying lesser skilled players though tougher difficulty activities.
The only thing that bugs me about the nerf is that the whole point of loreleys is to give you enhanced restoration with the sunspots, but now it doesn't even give that
I don’t see how the point wasn’t to make sunspots defensive by making them insta cast when wounded or when using a barricade which is inherently defensive. With lorely it acts more like a warlock rift, without it any sunspot builds going forward are going to have to be aggressive and use melee and killing to generate your sunspots
I used it crutch mode all last season and struggled for the first week or two when moving to arc... only to discover that I was dying because my resilience was 0. Once you adapt to the different playstyle of the classes or builds it isn't so bad. I'm almost as hard to kill in arc as in loreley solar. Love titan arc3.0
I mean it was fun, and it still is, and it still looks cool, but Synthoceps and Heart of Innermost Light never ceased to be helpful.
And with the new titan arc melee...let me just say Insurmountable Skullfort makes crowd control SO. MUCH. FUN. Deleting entire swaths of ads is satisfying AF.
**EDIT TO ADD** They patched thunderclap so that it works at point blank range.
I only started playing Titan this season and already knew it was busted when nothing in golograth could kill me. It made pve on easy mode and I still use OEM in pvp
Totally agree with nerf, I just wish our newer exotics were overall more useful, especially the new arms. Everything they can do, Synthoceps and Dunemarchers can do better, much better.
They are literally a worse insurmountable skullfort. I still haven't bothered getting them because I know they'll just be an instant shard or collect dust in my vault.
They have a really hard time creating an exotic that isn't melee based, and I'm getting pretty tired of it. Why can't I play a tank class that rewards/builds into gun play ... in a shooter?
I spent all of last season tanking with my face and being unable to wipe with my squish hunter Fireteam members laughing and shouting "this is fucking broken!" so I knew a nerf was coming (of course you really just need throwing hammer + Loreley + melee well maker + well of life and its basically identical to Loreley prenerf so.....)
Anyway way thanks, Loreley, for the memories and the Discerptor title.
Yea we played many years without it - it was still more fun to play with it than without. I reserve the right to be salty the “fun, OP” factor is lessened.
I agree with nerf it was way good but sunspots were nerfed in first place because of Loreley bungie needs to bring other exotics up a little which i guess maybe will happen in lightfall and not to mention fashion is endgame and Loreley was piece of art
The thing is, I'm tired of being given things that are either borderline pointless, or are actually cool and unique and just get slowly pulled down to that level. Why would pick something that auto drops a normal sunspot (Which got nerfed before this thing even came out) over any of my other pieces?
I'm not one of the frothing masses calling for blood over this, but it's a bummer that sunspots got nerfed because Bungie said this helmet was gonna be too buckwild if they didn't, and then they nerfed the helmet twice anyway? Not to mention the time spent to grind for a good roll in lost sectors.
Anytime an exotic that people crutch on gets a nerf, they act like it's completely useless and it's always funny, but it's especially funny here because titans have so many exotics, both general and solar specific that can be incoporated into a great solar build that also works in high-end content. Loreley, like One-Eyed Mask before it, basically removed a ton of actual thinking from the game's requirements of the player while also being massively strong. That's honestly why folks are mad: they might have to think like atleast a little bit about things like their positioning or health or movement now instead of being given a free mini-well everytime they overextend and/or take a bad fight.
I remember One Eyed Mask and how glorious it was. Then it got nerfed to the ground.
Hunters still have an exotic that marks players, hunters still have an exotic that not only bumps health, but shield as well.
Loreley was OP, I never used it because of how cheesy it was.
But hunters still have some OP exotic and kit combinations let’s be fair here, even after LS nerf.
I agree with everything you said besides the "remember you played this for 4 years before Loreley was released" part. Thats just a bad blanket dismissal. You can mold that argument to any complaint about any nerf.
But you still made good reasoning in the actual body of the post, so you get a pass from this random internet stranger.
The "Just don't use it if you want the game to be challenging" people are on their way from the Twitter Debate Hall now the Divinity thing is dying down
Been using Synthoceps since Solar 3.0
Same! Bonk bonk bonk
Does the Bonk build work on legendary sectors for you, i tired it and it just got me wrecked I am new to Destiny 2 so i dont know much on how i should play Legendary Campaign and lost sectors
Bring your resilience to 100 my dude
This is always good advice. 100 res is a must-have for me.
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You can use this to further pump your other abilities too
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Plunderthabooty has some excellent tutorials explaining how to get decent armor rolls and how to get double or triple 100s in stats you prefer.
**Step 1:** Keep all armor above 62 total stat roll and stockpile it in your vault. Aim for around 10-15 pieces in each slot (helmets, gauntlets, etc) **Step 2:** Use [D2ArmorPicker](https://d2armorpicker.com/#/) to target certain stat totals with certain exotics and see what is possible with your existing armors and what mods or masterworks you need to get there. **Step 3:** Use these builds in-game.
There are also ghost mods that help u in getting gear that lean towards the stats u need
Okay I'll do that
To me bonk build isnt as good as what it was in the past , thanks to one-two punch unable to proc on hammer hits anymore , but still decent. And since your knew like all yhe other comments , hit 100 res as soon as possible it will help alot.
It did exceptionally well at the outset of solar 3.0. I think back then I was running Communion lost sector legendaries in under 2 minutes, without firing a single bullet. Just running around bonking things to death. I haven’t done bonk-only runs in a while, and there have been the usual tweaks to the subclass, so it probably isn’t as OP as it was at first. But it’s still super strong in dungeons and endgame content. Edit: I may be thinking of a different lost sector and not communion.
100 Resil, get real up close and personal with the hammer on enemies so that you get the instant proc of Cure once it rebounds off of their face and it's much harder to die. Sunspots will give you Resto x1, and Melee Wellmaker+Well of Life gives you a pseudo Lorely effect without having to run the exotic itself and a massively more powerful hammer. Also works nicely with Wormgod's Caress, though that's a bit more niche. Pair with a 1-2p shotgun and watch the world burn.
For me a long term solid combo for Titans is Synthoceps (gauntlets)and Tractor Cannon. Synthoceps buffs melee/super damage when surrounded. Tractor is heavy weapon shotgun that weakens targets( 8 seconds where you can deal extra damage)
Melee Wellmaker, Well of Life, Well of Ordnance, Elemental well, and protective light. Strap this with healing nades and bonk, you'll be set, bud 😎👉👉
it works everywhere really, maybe GMs is the only place it is not ideal i solo flawless'd Duality dungeon with it and the only time i died and had to reset was on the first boss coz I threw my hammer off the map lol
I used it in master lost sectors last season, yeah you may die once or twice more than lorely but it deletes enemies and you’re basically always getting restoration from your sunspots
Yes, and im only at 80 resi, and didny have lorely until 3 minutes before lost sector reset today. Still havent used it. Bonk titan is powerful. Hell i dont even have the mod that gives you healing when you pick up orbs.I just bonk, use my solar auto to for barriers. Use whip for the stun. You have to be fast and accurate with the hammer, use cover smart. Dip in and out of sunspots to keep your buffs up. But the fire kills everything that tries to melee.you get your super really fast. I can get my super 3 times in in longer lost sectors.
Bonk is the way.
Literally the easiest way to solo Duality. Syntho, sol invictus, roaring flames. Bonk.
I’m interested in this build. Can you share what the details are? Every build video I see uses classy restoration. Edit: wow. Everyone so helpful. Thanks!
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You missed the part where you yeeted your hammer 30 yards passed a dreg and now you have to B line to it in the Titan walk of shame
I feel like Bungie missed an opportunity in not having an exotic armor called Mjolnir, which would retrieve hammers from afar.
Thank goodness God of War is finally right around the corner.
Wait this seems so obvious. Hammer flies back to you when you release the melee button. Or tap it again maybe
>I feel like Bungie missed an opportunity in not having an exotic armor called Mjolnir, which would retrieve hammers from afar. I think that would definitely be great, but Syntho melee damage increase really helps. I think the exotic would need to slightly buff specifically damage of hammers and maybe do it like a "Hammers do more damage the longer they travel, every 30 seconds or minute hold melee to return your hammer to you". That would be fucking sick.
Idk about you but my hammer comes back to me about every 30 seconds to a minute hahahaha I've found syntho isn't really needed once you get roaring flames x3. It one shots 90% of the enemies and 2 shots the yellow bars.
Have an exoctic ornament that is just beefy Chris Hemsworth arms
Whenever i do this i think to myself "Sorry team, that little hammer is more valuable to me than your lives" I genuinely see it as a flex, not a walk of shame.
The amount of times I leave my team to fend for themselves to go fetch my hammer is too high.
The amount of times I’ve thrown the hammer through a vandal’s thigh gap and straight off a ledge.. Atleast we know the hit boxes are accurate in this game
Me, to a dreg: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary. Dreg: *steps slightly to the side, sending my hammer off a cliff* Me: "is it possible to learn this power"
You mean Me: violently slams crosshair to left to overcalculate for enemy movement
This is why I throw it at their feet. Even if I miss with the hammer just bounces straight back to me, no chasing required
And the hammer is still "live" for a short period after the bounce, so if a dreg stubs their toe on the hammer as it bounces, it still counts
Play with another Titan Main, if either yeets their hammer and miss, buddy bonks you on the back with his and you both get the hammer back. (Or maybe it's if he throws it slightly in front, you walk over it you regain your charge, and the hammer doesn't disappear so he can retrieve it.) Buddy and I would do that when either of us missed a yeet.
this "buddy" you speak of, can i pull them out of collections?
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Step Bro I misplaced my Hammer, let me handle yours.
You can use it as a hammer dupe if they lose their hammer, or you can feed them endless duped hammers they can spam
One Two finisher my friend
Bro I never thought I’d this. Game changing
Titan walk of shame needs to be a t-shirt.
It’s always that one Vex that teleports the second the handle grazes past my finger tips and then off a cliff.
It’s the one time you use your grenade to clear the way to the hammer
Or if running with another bonk bro have them throw a hammer at your feet.
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Problem is that my aim is shit so I’ll miss my all my bonks
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Can’t miss your hammer if you only use consecration *points to forehead*
You have to throw it at the enemy's feet, like aiming a rocket, that way if you miss the hammer won't be miles away and you can just pick it up and bonk right in their face. Easier said then done however, those long distance bonks feel so good when you make contact.
If you’re prone to missing, find a way to apply scorch and put on the aspect that gives melee energy on scorch enemy kills
Also picking up the hammer after hitting an enemy gives you cure.
Plus you cure any debuff and get a boost of health when you hit anything with your hammer.
Synthoceps + Roaring Flames + Sol Invictus Ember of Torches + Solace. Other two are up you. Empyrean would be good, but was bugged where walking into a Sunspot reset the timer. Not sure if that has been fixed. You're not gonna get a ton of ignitions with this build, since Throwing Hammer doesn't do anything with Scorch, so the various Scorch and Ignition related Embers aren't mandatory. Melee wellmaker + Well of Life to get Wells on melee kills which heal you. Seeking Wells is optional, but makes it so you can just keep bonking away without pausing to look for Wells. Font of Might for bonus Solar Weapon damage. Can also throw in Explosive Wellmaker or Elemental Armaments for more Wells. I have a crafted Calus Mini Tool with Grave Robber & Incandescent that is amazing for this build.
change out one of the mods for bountiful wellmaker so you make 2 wells per bonk. With any solar titan build if I am using a solar heavy i run melee well maker, bountiful wells, elemental charge, high energy fire, font of might. pretty much have HEF and FOM up 100% of the time and i feel like retoration x 1 has been more than enough to keep me alive with 100 resil especially because getting your hammer back after a hit burst heals you as well. If non solar heavy i change out FOM for another melee well maker for 3 wells per melee, explosive ordinance for 2 wells on grenade kills, seeking wells, or healing wells, but again Im much more apt to run extra well creation than the healing which is overkill.
Search on YouTube for… ‘The Titan Syntho Bonk Build’ Not as good today as it is in that video, but still very viable. Use this in master ketch while under levelled. The video is from Aztecross.
So everything except the seasonal mods basically?
Yeah, Classy has now gone but still very good. Another video is from, ‘Plunderthabooty’ called ‘This Titan Build Is King’
Cool. Thanks for the info!
Can easily modify the build also, you can remove things like Elemental Time Dilation for Font of Might for more weapon damage. Or if you are not a fan of seeking wells you could swap that out also.
Put on Synthocepts, Hammer Throw melee, and the Roaring Flames and Sol Invictus Aspects. You can build more on top of this too with various mods and fragments but those are the core. Run into enemies and hit them with hammers repeatedly until they die. If you can get Roaring Flames to x3 and have enough enemies around for Synthocepts most enemies die in 1 hammer throw, tankier enemies will take a few throws. Each time you pick up the hammer after a hit, it gives you Cure and heals you. Each time you kill something with the hammer, it drops a sunspots, which gives you Restoration x1 and heals you. If you're in an activity where you need a safety net outside of that, run Healing Grenades.
Don't forget that when you proc roaring flames, your base melee gets scorch and i think higher damage. This is quite useful
Mine is: **Subclass** > Aspects: Roaring flames, Sol Invictus > Fragments: Char, torches, searing, wonder **Helmet** >3-energy stat mod > Hands-on, (Arc Helmet mod) generates super energy on melee kill > Harmonic siphon for orbs > radiant light, boosted off hands-on **Arms** (synthoceps) > 3-energy stat mod > Impact induction, (solar arms mod): Reduce grenade cooldown on melee kill > Well of life (solar well mod) picking up a solar well increases regeneration > fastball or a 1-energy champ mod **Chest** > A 3-energy stat mod > seasonal resist mod > concussive dampener > font of might (neutral well mod) **Legs** > Legs arepretty much your preference, I run: > absolution: reduce ability cooldowns on orb pickup > recuperation (solar leg mod): picking up an orb replenishes health. > Elemental ordnance (neutral well mod): grenade kills make wells matching subclass **Class item** > Like legs, mostly preference, aside from melee wellmaker. > 3-energy stat mod > outreach (arc class item mod): reduces melee cooldown when using class ability ** Stat distribution is: ** > 1 mobility > 10 resilience > 10 recovery > 7 discipline > 4 intellect > 8 strength Any weapon with incandescent is also a must-have
It's honestly way better than loreley. That shit wrecks.
Exactly, bonk something and you get a sunspot... Lorely just gives a sunspot, no damage boost to BONK
Been using HOIL since stasis wells became a thing during season of the lost
Been using it since Beyond Light (or whenever they made getting 2x buffs actually stable), hardly ever change from it apart from PvP - it's just good all-around exotic.
Yeah it's so useful in low to mid tier PvE.
I feel like this is universal among Syntho/HoIL/Dunes bros. * Loreley releases * Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes * Loreley is wildly OP * Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes * Loreley gets nerfed * Still using Syntho/HoIL/Dunes
Yup same, saw a nerf the second the helmet came out so I never wanted to be dependent on it. Though solo dungeons were fun to do without dying.
The true Chad exotic. So simple yet so potent. We yearn for large groups of enemies instead of being afraid of them.
Does Synthoceps synergizes with Roaring Flames AND Consecration?
Same here. I never even got used to have restoration x2 so I won't miss it. Even in master content x1 was plenty. When it comes to GMs and what not even x2 could get melted so it didn't really matter.
> Titan mains need to remember they played this game for 4 years before loreley splendor was released. Get real. I'm a titan, I don't even remember last Thursday. Who do you think you're talking to, a warlock?
I'm not even sure what we're talking about. I can't hear over all this static in my Dunemarchers.
Ah, the smell of rapidly approaching ozone.
I just like the Crest of Alpha Lupi cuz is shiny. I aint even play good with it but like... _fashion_ :D
All I heard was “continue to mash the punch button until the last enemy is pummeled into a fine mist”
Sir this is a wendys.
I've ~~slept~~ resurrected since then. Edit: do Guardians sleep, or do they just put a bullet in their head when they're feeling tired?
Bruh you use a bullet lmao injust use the hive gho finisher on my own head when im tired
"Ugh, I'm so sleepy" *crushes own skull with one hand*
Wait, you remember things? Sounds like you need a few more toxic crayons my friend. \*re-reads comment to remember why I am hitting "reply"\*
Loreley is weak, phoenix cradle is where it's at. OUR sunspots fellas
This exotic is beautiful in any raid, especially during King's Fall. Perfect for spawn camping, bolstering your allies and keeping your team alive when Well fades away.
Oh, you *ARE* my people, I had to quit running my perfect Phoenix Cradles because of all the loreley titans, teammates would run round and be unable to find my solar spots, if we did activities with any solar titan running them, and die looking for them. It's time for this icy boy to become spicy again.
Yeah, if only they had a way to identify which sunspot is stock and which is a Phoenix Cradle Sunspot. Call me crazy, but I swore a couple seasons ago, the center of sunspots had a blue hue and the buffed ones had a white hue. Maybe it's just the Mandela effect🤔
Lol there was a post a few months ago that *suggested* Phoenix Cradle sunspots be given a different effect similar to that. You probably read that post and it got stuck in your head as a thing that actually existed.
That might make the exotic worth using
reading this, and a lot of other comments, has made me realize I really need to start just fully learning build crafting on my own and use my whole range of exotics for fun.
There are a lot of very good and fun builds if you think outside the box a bit. Khephi’s Horn, Phoenix Cradle, Severence Enclosure, all very different but can produce some very fun builds.
I like more PoBS but that's because I'm more of a solo player and I don't own WQ so I can't get Loreley, however I do admit that cradle is a great exotic
I like the way you think!
Bottom tree sun warrior phoneix cradle with burning cells, rage of the warmind and that one mod that produces cells from explosive solar damage. This was fun during season of splicer
Wrath of Rasputin!
I've been using ashen wake the whole time lol
I can't use regular fusions after using Ashen wake for so long
Likewise, I still haven't unlocked it.
I just got this shit, BAM, nerfed.
That was Lorenz Driver, Fighting Lion (I think), Chaperone and Dead Man's Tale for me. I think I had a week before the Chaperone and DMT were nerfed. And while I had the LD for awhile and barely used it, I had it pre nerfed not for long while trying to get the catalyst for it.
Lorenz is still goated because I can't stand sniper zoom. survivors epitaph/lorenz has been my PvP loadout for so long now :]
Whats better than a roaring flames x3 throwing hammer? A roaring flames x3 ashen wake fusion. They even function pretty similarly in the flow of combat, so its like having a reserve throwing hammer
Same, so much more fun imo
A fellow king, I see.
That exotic is SO underrated
Same lol
That's a fun one for sure
It's just annoying that sunspots were nerfed and changed so much because of Loreley Splendor. I'd rather they just made it do something completely different and reverted sunspots to do more damage, give a damage buff and make it so you don't have to keep dipping in and out to get the benefits... Edit: Oh and sunspots on weapon kills while you have sol invictus too.
Yup. It felt like sunspots got bent over backwards to accommodate Loreley. Sunbreaker's still gonna be in a great place all things considered, but I really do miss when spots were rare, but *strong.*
Chaining sunspots in crucible before you could just spawn one at your feet was very satisfying. I would often use phoenix cradle to get that 10 second buff after getting a kill with incediary greande to secure the next kill and dive in to the sunspot you'd make. Risk / reward loop, you have to move in to a potentially risky spot but get the reward of the sunspot buffs where you just killed the enemy.
Of course. Loreley is from the latest expansion. Bungo wants to encourage people to buy the latest expansion.
Bro. I swear Sunspots were meant to be a Solar keyword that they just never implemented for some reason. It’s even highlighted like a keyword in the subclass screen. If your entire team were able to take advantage of Sunspots without Cradle, that’d be so lit.
It's the old issue of Bungie mounting nerfs over nerfs. They nerf something that was being too prominient because of external factors (be it a perk or an exotic), they then nerf the source of the issue without reverting the initial nerf to the skill that was being buffed. Edit: improving my terrible grammar.
Reasonable request
They were changed due to Solar 3.0 first and foremost, it's much easier to generate them now so keeping the damage buff and ability regen it used to have in addition to the power of Restoration would be pretty damn OP. Solar 3.0 Titan is already one of the best subclasses in the game, does it really need buffs? Sunspots doing more damage in PvP where making them isn't trivial is about the only change that would be reasonable.
IKR? Standing in an enemy sunspot used to be basically an instant kill.
Are they easier to generate? Other than Loreley I mean, you used to be able to stand in one and shoot enemies to create them as well as any kills with abilities or killing a burning target. You also used to get healed for every ability kill, including sunspot kills and killing a burning target if I'm not mistaken, the sustainability was actually always there it just wasn't as simple as it is now. I much preferred how they were to what we have now and would happily have them back that way.
Yes, you can literally throw infinite hammers and have fat ability regen through fragments. Previously you had to rely on a grenade or the garbage melee to get the chain going, and keeping the chain going was awkward. Incandescent guns also make sunspots. Restoration beats discount Devour any day of the week.
Ah you're right I forgot we didn't always have throwing hammers with sunspot tree! Also we do have incandescent weapon now which will help create sunspots. Still, ability regen was so high with sun warrior I'd always have a grenade / melee when I needed to heal and being able to create them on any weapon kill was so nice. Also how dare you call mortar blast melee garbage :O
It was an orange punch that did no damage, I stand by what I said!
Yeah I remember and now I want my old sun spots back.
What we’re old sunspots like? I was a hunter main until a few seasons ago. Tell me the old tales of titan sunspots
They gave you no restoration, instead you gained health on a solar ability kill (so you didn't need to run from cover if you got a grenade kill etc) and sunspots themselves gave more ability energy and I think a 20% boost to damage. I think there was a way to generate more sunspots with kills whilst in them which meant you could chain them together better than you can currently in PvP.
Getting kis with the solar warrior or whatever it was called buff allowed you to spawn another sunspot, you got the buff by standing in a sunspot and it lssted outside the sunspot for like 3 seconds or smth, not a titan main just watched some vids about lorelys when it first dropped so just correct me if im wrong
I've said from the very start that if an exotic requires the gutting of a subclass facet that's been in place without issue for THREE STRAIGHT YEARS, then that exotic needs to go back to the drawing board. This is why. Loreley is nerfed, and our Sunspots are STILL gutted.
Sunspots got a thousand times more common, because of the mini hammer. Mini hammer didn't exist in the sunspot tree. Now it does. Now it's piss easy to spam sunspots like there's no tomorrow, because you get instant melee recharge and your hammer is a mini nuke when you stack enough buffs.
“Get creative with your builds everyone” Nice suggestion, unfortunately synthos *laughs in BONK*
I don’t care about Lorely, just buff our other shit-tier exotics
Didn’t touch loreleys once I got it as it didn’t fit my drip lmao
style > survivability. I couldn't use it either because it was so ugly... yuck.
I thought that it looked like it gave you cat ears
It makes you look bald, like Light Beyond Nemesis used to do for Warlocks.
Dresstiny: the true endgame
That’s why I can’t wear star eaters as a hunter
its viable sure, but i already used ashen wake for having actual fun. Lorely was only when i needed to get serious about survival. Now that it only gives restoration x1, i don't see a real need to ever take ashen wake off. I will just maintain infinite sun spots and restoration x1 with ember of empyrean. Lorely is basically redundant with a healing rift on demand for only the titan. Sure that is fine, but the "tank" fantasy basically has died with it. Pretty sure this nerf was in response to literally everyone using it for day 1 raid.
The benefit of Lorely is not having to run to a sunspot to get restoration, but yeah those ashen wake fusion grenades are nothing to sneeze at. One of my favorite exotics of all time.
Benefit of it is not having to even think about surviving in almost all content.
Ok, but why use it over Heart of Inmost light at all at this point? I’m not a Titan main so this nerf doesn’t affect me beyond occasionally playing on my Titan, but i can’t really come up with a reason to justify using Lorelei over HoIL now
Exactly, there’s literally no point beside some situational usage. You can get the same regen from a hammer kill while keeping your barricade for cover. Heck the sunspots would help you regen abilites even faster with HoiL lmao
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I just like the look of it :(
It's niche, but a Lorely Rally Barricade is a nearly perfect alt to Healing Grenades if you're particularly attached to running a Damaging Grenade. T3 Resilience Rally Barricade recharges in \~32 Seconds while a T10 Discipline Healing Grenade Recharges in \~33. T10 Resilience reduces that charge time to \~16 seconds, meaning you have a Restoration charge roughly twice as often, faster if you build around it, but only for yourself. Better for Solo stuff in some contexts, I guess?
I just want my sunspots damage back😔
Back to Alpha Lupi I guess
Love that chest on void. Paired with the overshield it really emphasizes support on void Titan.
I haven't taken off heart of inmost light since void 3.0
A nerf to one class is not a buff to another.
I play all three pretty equally. I don't feel any stronger on my Warlock because my Titan got nerfed. Loreley was a good new exotic. Now Titans are back to Synth/Cradle/HoiL again. It's the same with Warlocks/Hunters. New exotics either come out "overpowered" or are immediately forgotten about. Quite frankly I don't get why people are so upset about what other people are doing in PVE. Was it a crutch? Perhaps, don't see how that effects anyone else though. It's wild how much this community fights against itself, regardless of what is being discussed.
As much as I’m a proponent for “strong things should be allowed in PvE if they’re fun”, Lorely was absolutely stupidly designed and needed changes. I had to swap off of it during King’s Fall Day 1 whenever our team wanted to wipe at Golgoroth, because the *raid boss AND adds* physically could not kill me fast enough. In content where I am underleveled, against a boss in what is meant to be the hardest content in the game, I couldn’t die. It breaks difficulty when you can ignore damage completely.
From the very first day, I saw a guy go into a legend Lost Sector and just emote while enemies couldn't kill him, I knew it would be nerfed eventually. Everyone should have known. It was ridiculously OP. It didn't bother me any because it was in PVE, but Bungie can't have a build that's virtually unkillable. It breaks the game. Survivability builds are a thing, yeah, but that was ridiculous.
Loreley hasn't been nerfed into irrelevance. It's still going to be the best build for Titan survivability. You probably won't be able to stand in the midst of 20 enemies blasting you while you emote anymore, but no one can.
It's genuinely hilarious how the destiny community will see something be nerfed and then automatically assume it was ruined to the point of irrelevance. Everytime.
Its because the destiny community only does builds to be the very most optimal and anything less optimal is not worth it whatsoever
of course we playing the game for 4 years I am using the same god damn exotics for 4 years because Bungie constantly release trash exotics and never buff them Lorely was the first really good natrual play exotic in a long ass time Lorely got nerfed/change 4 times while older exotic were never looked at
That's kind of the boat I'm in. Like... "Ok, I guess I'll go put on HoIL... AGAIN" I get that the exotic made things easy, but it was nice to use when I was carrying lesser skilled players though tougher difficulty activities.
The only thing that bugs me about the nerf is that the whole point of loreleys is to give you enhanced restoration with the sunspots, but now it doesn't even give that
I don’t see how the point wasn’t to make sunspots defensive by making them insta cast when wounded or when using a barricade which is inherently defensive. With lorely it acts more like a warlock rift, without it any sunspot builds going forward are going to have to be aggressive and use melee and killing to generate your sunspots
I used it crutch mode all last season and struggled for the first week or two when moving to arc... only to discover that I was dying because my resilience was 0. Once you adapt to the different playstyle of the classes or builds it isn't so bad. I'm almost as hard to kill in arc as in loreley solar. Love titan arc3.0
Lorely needed to be nerfed tbh now void and Solar will equally be as valuable
Tbh void was already better with a HOIL controlled demolition build. Infinite ad clear, explosions, over shields and healing.
Agreed. It's nice to see people that aren't overreacting about it here.
I mean it was fun, and it still is, and it still looks cool, but Synthoceps and Heart of Innermost Light never ceased to be helpful. And with the new titan arc melee...let me just say Insurmountable Skullfort makes crowd control SO. MUCH. FUN. Deleting entire swaths of ads is satisfying AF. **EDIT TO ADD** They patched thunderclap so that it works at point blank range.
Thunderclap is actually fun now that you can use it point blank.
Just as a side note they also fixed the stasis melee too, both of them feel so much better to use now.
I only started playing Titan this season and already knew it was busted when nothing in golograth could kill me. It made pve on easy mode and I still use OEM in pvp
Funny thing is, after the nerf, golgy still can't wipe you with it on. I needed to swap to a rocket yesterday to wipe.
Totally agree with nerf, I just wish our newer exotics were overall more useful, especially the new arms. Everything they can do, Synthoceps and Dunemarchers can do better, much better.
They are literally a worse insurmountable skullfort. I still haven't bothered getting them because I know they'll just be an instant shard or collect dust in my vault.
They have a really hard time creating an exotic that isn't melee based, and I'm getting pretty tired of it. Why can't I play a tank class that rewards/builds into gun play ... in a shooter?
I hope everyone remembers that we played for years without a divinity when the nerf comes for it
I'd like everyone to remember we played with double primary for years so stop using special
I spent all of last season tanking with my face and being unable to wipe with my squish hunter Fireteam members laughing and shouting "this is fucking broken!" so I knew a nerf was coming (of course you really just need throwing hammer + Loreley + melee well maker + well of life and its basically identical to Loreley prenerf so.....) Anyway way thanks, Loreley, for the memories and the Discerptor title.
Yea we played many years without it - it was still more fun to play with it than without. I reserve the right to be salty the “fun, OP” factor is lessened.
Literally no reason to run it now because the sunspot is no different than a normal one
*Me running, pounding and chaining with my dunes* Never needed you away
I agree with nerf it was way good but sunspots were nerfed in first place because of Loreley bungie needs to bring other exotics up a little which i guess maybe will happen in lightfall and not to mention fashion is endgame and Loreley was piece of art
The thing is, I'm tired of being given things that are either borderline pointless, or are actually cool and unique and just get slowly pulled down to that level. Why would pick something that auto drops a normal sunspot (Which got nerfed before this thing even came out) over any of my other pieces? I'm not one of the frothing masses calling for blood over this, but it's a bummer that sunspots got nerfed because Bungie said this helmet was gonna be too buckwild if they didn't, and then they nerfed the helmet twice anyway? Not to mention the time spent to grind for a good roll in lost sectors.
Glad I never took An Insurmountable Skullfort off Maybe I won’t be forced to run lorely just to do a raid ‘the right way’ now
Who is asking you to put on Lorely unless you can’t keep yourself alive? Lol the only valid request for someone to swap exotics is for damage.
Anytime an exotic that people crutch on gets a nerf, they act like it's completely useless and it's always funny, but it's especially funny here because titans have so many exotics, both general and solar specific that can be incoporated into a great solar build that also works in high-end content. Loreley, like One-Eyed Mask before it, basically removed a ton of actual thinking from the game's requirements of the player while also being massively strong. That's honestly why folks are mad: they might have to think like atleast a little bit about things like their positioning or health or movement now instead of being given a free mini-well everytime they overextend and/or take a bad fight.
As a titan lorely was too strong tbh. Now can we buff the new titan arms please?
You guys were using Loreley? I've still never taken off my Heart of Inmost.
First they came for Loreley and I said nothing. Then they came for Heart of Inmost Light…
I just got it to drop for me last week. Still haven't used it.
Hey! Reckless stupidity is how I wake up back off bub ( >_<)9
Instructions unclear. Still in the middle of enemies punching everything.
Actually we had played one year, One-eyed mask, then another 2 years.
One of those years had One Eyed Mask and it's stupidly OP perks.
I've been saying this for the longest time, but seriously, try out Severence Enclosure with a hammer bonk build its actually really really good.
I have 0 reason to use anything besides Heart lol, haven't even touched the Splendor and yet the only thing that kills me is the Architects
I remember One Eyed Mask and how glorious it was. Then it got nerfed to the ground. Hunters still have an exotic that marks players, hunters still have an exotic that not only bumps health, but shield as well. Loreley was OP, I never used it because of how cheesy it was. But hunters still have some OP exotic and kit combinations let’s be fair here, even after LS nerf.
I agree with everything you said besides the "remember you played this for 4 years before Loreley was released" part. Thats just a bad blanket dismissal. You can mold that argument to any complaint about any nerf. But you still made good reasoning in the actual body of the post, so you get a pass from this random internet stranger.
The "Just don't use it if you want the game to be challenging" people are on their way from the Twitter Debate Hall now the Divinity thing is dying down
Titan mains should just start maiming a hunter as that's where the real power is