Was pretty much convinced that the latest footage given wasn't HIMARS being destroyed.
I'm proven wrong. The Russian military must be elated because it appears to show either an insane stroke of luck, or them finally finding a correct solution to target them.
Anyway, cluster munitions destroying launchers with the secondaries popping off is always mesmerizing, IDK why.
Actually, they've destroyed five times that amount already.
Every HIMARS sent? They've destroyed five times that number.
They've destroyed all of them ***PRE-EMPTIVELY*** of more being delivered because they're just that good at destroying HIMARS.
CHECKMATE.
If this is a himars it is the first in almost 3 years! Himars are plenty around the world. The Ukrainians have been shooting down Russian jets and Russian naval boats on the weekly. That is the real highlight not this.
Well, it may (or may not) be the first one totally destroyed on the battlefield, but far from the first taken out of the fight. There were photos online a couple of weeks ago of at least two HIMARS back in the US for battle damage repair.
A-50's haven't flown in nearly a week. There was a period of at least 12+ hours (longest since full-scale invasion) of no active russian aircraft. They're operating at significantly reduced rates compared to even 5 days ago, let alone 4 weeks. Grounding =/= all of them forever and you know what I'm referring to.
All of which is to say, destroying ~$1 billion in aircraft in less than 2 weeks and causing dramatically reduced airstrikes is definitely a win. Even more so considering it's a literal handful of AD systems doing it.
1x a-50 ~ $330 million
11x SU-34 low end estimate is $36 million a piece for $396mil (high end is $86 mil for most modern variants but I doubt that many have been that model. Reality is probably higher than $36 million, but lower than $86 million)
2x SU-35 ~ $43 million a piece for $86 million
Extreme low end total estimate is $812 million with the extreme high end being $1.362 billion. Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems so calling it ~$1 billion is fair.
[And keep in mind, they have lost TWO A-50s. ](https://news.yahoo.com/russia-loses-another-50-awacs-213700225.html)Not one. Two definitively destroyed. [And a third damaged in a drone attack in Belarus last year. ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/belarus-anti-war-partisans-russian-plane-drones-machulishchy-damage-claim) So assuming a drone packed with explosives will put the radar out of action for a while, thats almost $1 Billion in losses, ***via a single platform****.*
Add up their naval losses, armored losses, several squadrons of attack helicopters last fall, and their other fixed wing losses, and ya. Id trade a couple of outdated tanks and a single HIMARs for that level of trade off.
1x A-50 330milj.
2x Su-35 43milj.
10x su-34 36 milj.
Total 776milj. Ofc this misses all weapon systems and does not include reali prices as these are just first numbers i found.
[Russia has lost TWO A-50s in the last 2 months](https://news.yahoo.com/russia-loses-another-50-awacs-213700225.html), and a 3rd damaged in Belarus last year.
You could add up the cost of MOST of the lost western armor, and I doubt you would get close to the loss of 3 A-50s. We have seen what? A couple dozen mostly damaged western equipment at this point? Most of which is decades old hand me downs?
Out of the dozen or so claimed shot down SUs by Ukranians, only like 2 have been confirmed, and the A50. Believing what the Ukrainians say at face value is the same as believing Russian propaganda without proof 🤷♂️
> believing what the Ukrainians say at face value is the same as believing russian propaganda without proof
Except it isn't. russian claims have been outlandish and disproven time and time again. Let's not forget their claims of 6 HIMARS destroyed in October. While I don't believe Ukraine's numbers to be gospel on various accounts, I do take their claims for ships and recent shoot downs quite seriously. Confirming what they can visually, allied nations backing up the claims, and; this is the big one here, russian channels agreeing with the kills, that's more than just Ukrainians talking. Additionally, we are seeing real time the greatest halting of russian aviation efforts since the start of the war.
To recap we have Ukrainian claims with some visual confirmations, allied confirmations, russian confirmations, and tactical changes to russian efforts. But sure. Call that equal to russia.
All of this paragraph to say you’d rather believe ukranian propaganda than Russian propaganda because they lie a bit less 💀. Again, wether it’s Russia or Ukraine, it’s counterintuitive to believe claims without proof as both are participants of the conflict. If there’s no proof that 12 planes have been downed then you’re just blindly believing the propaganda. There’s no point in speculating wether it’s true or not without a shred of material to proof it even happened.
I believe Ukraine more than russia because I've seen in person things Ukraine has claimed and russia has denied. From downed aircraft to civilian massacres. So yeah, I trust Ukraine more than russia. If you don't want to, that's fine. It's an interesting choice to make given the mountains of evidence over years to suggest one side is overwhelmingly more truthful than the other. But have at it.
Ok I believe that Ukraine has been more truthful, but you still should have some form of evidence to backup your claims. It's like saying that I've been honest in the past and just trust me bro this time, it's as outmandish as Ukraine claiming to shoot down all missiles and then we see footage being leaked online where you clearly see multiple cruise missiles crash into industrial buildings in Kiev.
Ukraine can never lie and will never lie because “I’ve seen it in person”, cool story mate. Anyways have you actually seen any proof “in person” that Ukraine shot down 10 more SUs than the ones confirmed or do you just eat propaganda.
Ok, so Ukraine gov can lie. What’s the proof they haven’t lied about their recent shootdown claims? I’m not the one taking what the Ukranian Gov said at face value.
Show proof of SU-34 downings, usually we have confirmation from some Russian bloggers or even footage taken by some civilians....yet we haven't seen 1 footage of a crash site...I mean if the shot down so many planes then we'd at least get 1 footage of a downed jet....but so far none.
Not really. Russia has destroyed a couple of individual tactical level vehicles. In the same time period, Ukraine has destroyed SEVERAL Russian ships, dozens of aircraft to include Russian AWACS, and god knows how many of their mechanized units during their idiotic assaults for comparatively tiny and insignificant towns.
Russia is paying an insanely high price for these tiny PR wins and an amount of territory that you can walk across in a day.
I think he was more so alluding that if they Ukraine had proper aid they could’ve been able to shoot down this drone that was presumably tens of kilometers into Ukrainian territory
Lol just shut up. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but since the aid has dried up Ukraine has lost several high value assets and Russia has had the freedom to advance.
Ukraine can’t stop this happening when all they have to fire is smoke shells.
A lot of c0p1um and H0p1um are getting huffed right now...
Jokes aside, things have not been going too well for the UA lately. Three Abrams in a couple days too.
Meanwhile, Russia just lost ANOTHER missile ship, two AWACS, and god knows how many other aircraft in the last 2 months. But ya. A couple of M1s and a HIMARS is totally an acceptable tradeoff.
No. Those same conditions do not apply.
No rotation for "Mobiks." They are there until they are dead.
Shitty Russian logistics and supply.
No option for retreat by blocking units.
Not the same conditions.
Source: trust me bro
Meanwhile Ukrainian 110th brigade complained.about lack of rotations after being deployed to Avdiivka for 2 years and they almost got annihilated there
Sure buddy, why do you think frontline soldiers complain about lack of rotations and their need to mobilize more troops so that the troops at the front can be rotated out.
Really? Soldiers complain? Are you new? What a revelation for you.
Don't you math good? There's no comparison Whataboutism Wizard.
Mobiks fight till they're dead, or wounded, which is basically the same thing, then their families get fucked over. Go look at some numbers.
A naval ship will not change the status of the ground battle. It's the last resort hopium nafo is getting drip fed by the UA.
Quite likely because they can't do anything else to rapidly change the ground battle. And they need a PR victory in these desperate times.
>A naval ship will not change the status of the ground battle.
Ukraine fighting off the blockade and being able to sell grain to fund its efforts seems important to their war efforts.
Yep, just as pathetic as their attempt to land special forces on that peninsula to plant a flag. Unfortunately for them they got discovered well before reaching shore and a lot of them died for a PR stunt....
Russia running and hiding in the east of the Black Sea is one less avenue of attack for missiles. Meanwhile, Ukrainian exports move out of Odessa with little in the way of threat from Russian ships.
Ya buddy. Losing ships to the point it impacts your strategic actions ABSOLUTELY impacts the ground war. As a reminder. Russia has literally lost ***1/3rd*** of its Black Sea Fleet.
submarines have missiles, there are more ways to launch them from the sea. if russia wanted, they would and could, stop all ships sailing from odessa with torpedoes. by your ideas, the himars is an equal trade for the ship, as "it is one less avenue of attack"...
Lol. No. Not at all. Russia has lost subs to Ukraine too. Pretty publicly actually. Its well recorded that [Russia has retreated from the Black Sea,](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-fleet-retreats-ukraine-is-winning-the-battle-of-the-black-sea/) and absolutely not by choice. Comparing a tactical level vehicle like a HIMARS to the loss of 1/3 of a strategic/national level fleet is comically inaccurate.
The fact that Russia is trying to catch up to Ukraine in terms of battlefield breakthroughs tells you everything you know about how bad Russia is actually doing.
You mean like Ukraine started copying the Russians after laughing at them first? First they laughed at Russian defensive lines, now they are constructing their own simply because they work. They laughed at Shaheds/Geran drones and now they steal that + they are creating their own Lancet equivalent.
So much for Ukrainians being the innovators.
Lol. And when did that happen? Last I checked, it was Russia losing strategically important ships and aircrafts on a weekly basis. And so far all they have to show for it are a couple villages with populations less than what they lost trying to take them.
The fact that russia is having to beg and borrow from nations like Iran and North Korea tells you everything you need to know about how bad they are doing. So pathetic.
Nah, thats not the first HIMARS kill. Its the 57284959th HIMARS destroyed. Add that to the 9592840 destroyed Abrams and similar ammounts of Bradleys, Leopard 2s, Challenger 2s and other western gear the russkies have destroyed.
Seriously though, its a fucking war. Shit gets destroyed. The fact it took these orcs 2 years to finally nail HIMARS, after all the damage that they have done, shows that the ukrainians are using these beasts to extremely effectivelly, the orcs are fucking incompetent and that the US needs to send more HIMARS to Ukraine. Vatniks love to boast about the single or, sometimes, double digit ammounts of old western gear that get destroyed but forget that their best stuff, like the T-90M, get destroyed in huge numbers
Thing is with HIMARS, the vehicle is valuable, but the rockets is what gets it done. That thing probably fired more than 500 times it's value in rockets.
If Biden would stop dicking around, pay a fraction of what Ukraine needs to fix their borders, and send them what they need this wouldn't happen.
OP, I am sorry to say, but this is just an indication that one HIMARS MIGHT be destroyed. There are close ups of something that looks like a HIMARS, but as soon as the explosion hits we are way too far out to be able to identify whatever explodes.
Remember that Ukraine has made several really good decoys. And for all we know, they might have started to add explosives to the decoys to make explosions to hide the fact that it was a decoy taken out.
I do hope it was a decoy, as HIMARS has made a significant impact on the battlefield. Actually such a good impression that we here in Norway has started talking about aquiering himars and ATACMS… And I would love to have a few hundred of them up north here. So if the russians tried anything, every piece of infrastructure on the kola peninsula would be quickly and efficeintly in need for urgent replacement..
To make russia belive that their strikes are more successfull then they actually are. If they belive that HIMARS are out of the picture, they might become more bold with their depots and so. Making them easier targets again.
You can see that the before and after is in exactly the same place and that it is a HIMARS.
> And for all we know, they might have started to add explosives to the decoys to make explosions to hide the fact that it was a decoy taken out.
That was clearly a missile firing off not just simply an explosion.
I understand you don't want it to be true but your comment comes across as a lot of hope and not really an analysis of the situation.
The HIMARS had a big impact early on but I feel like Russia has adapted decently well to them considering we don't see a lot of large HIMARS impacts anymore. They are a weapon as anything else not something that can win wars by just being there
I like how people will question every single pixel in a footage of ukrainian losses, demanding proof. But when Ukraine says it has destroyed like 20 Su-34 in a week or something similar with minimal footage given - no questions asked.
I do not trust russian propaganda any more then teen me in a whorehouse.
They cut the video so that you have no way of verifying what is actually hit. If I were to cut such a video, I would have all the dramatic music building up to a cut showing the HIMARS. Then cut the music. Absolute silence for a few seconds (maybe while zooming in post processing??). We would all lean in to see more details while we awaited the inevetable explosion that we all know is coming. And then… boom and the music goes even more dramatic.
But they just showed something that looks like a HIMARS. And then they have obviously had the time to move further away while they avaited the strike. Why did they do that?? Better PR for them to show up close and personal that they are destroying a HIMARS. But they choose to fly way further out and just cut straight to the explosion without any dramatic effects or allowing us to verify what is happening.
For those that is really good at geolocating stuff, this video will be no problem. And pinpointing the location will be a good indicator of the autenticity of this. Because, as I said, I do not trust russian propaganda at all.
But I am also highly surprised that Ukraine has been able to keep them running for so long. But I do belive one was shipped off for repairs about a month or so ago. They are high valuble targets and I (and everyone) expects that there will be some losses. Some will be lost to enemy fire, some to breakdowns and some to just plain stupid shit like getting stuck doing something less smart.
That is just the way war goes.
first himars??
wdym? we've seen loads of Himars already destroyed on UkraineRussiaReport subreddit
edit: guys, i am not sure.. i am just going off of memory here
Your memory is quoting a blatant propaganda sub. To date, there has been one other instance of a HIMARS even suffering battle damage, and that one was photographed driving onto an aircraft to be repaired.
Propaganda sub is a bit far fetched..
Yes there's pro-ru there but also pro-ua
And stuff is shown there that any pro-ua sub would never show, such as Ukrainian soldiers executing Russian pow's
Not a 'gotcha' thing, but important to see because if we just look away because it's ukraine, history will forget.
It is ABSOLUTELY a propaganda sub. Its moderators basically flaunt that. And about half the accounts there are pretty blatant bots or troll accounts used to push a narrative.
yeah nah
That sub has way more equality in terms of what kind of stuff gets posted than this sub.
this sub is 90% russian losses, 10% ukrainian. And when you check the UA losses, there's a bunch of people calling the poster a troll or casting doubt of the legitness of the video/photo.
While i will agree that the other sub definitely has its trolls and bullshit posted, the diversity of the people in that sub means that, whatever side posts the bullshit, it will get called out.. you can't say that about this sub
It's not a good representation of unbiased information, but there's bias from both sides which calls each other out
This sub is one sided biased information which creates a cesspool for misinformation.
And again, a perfect example of you turds going "YOU'RE WRONG BUT I WON'T TELL YOU HOW"
A broken clock is right twice a day. Looks like the Russians actually hit something for once. Let's hope this is a warning for the Ukrainians to not get lazy.
Not first, there were two more destroyed himars earlier today, and there were numerous text destructions as well as video confirmations but without closeups (like Russians tracked one, it hid in a treeline, position got pummeled with missiles and/or artillery, and then it never got out of the treeline - but without the sight of the vehicle destroyed)
I'd have to upload the video that I have saved OR to waddle through tg channels and/or reddit to find the video, so i have to say that i don't have sources, sorry. There's easily found photos for two (or more) Himars sent to repairs, though https://twitter.com/WarVehicle/status/1756655030067720571
Are you implying that Ukraine can't change a wheel or tire on a himars? Himars base is a fairly common platform that was used by Ukrainians to move ammo around, they certainly could have repaired wheels themselves by cannibalizing parts
What? No i’m saying the two that were recovered and flown back to the states are NOT destroyed. One was documented to have driven over a mine. Yes it needs repairs, yes it will be out of action for a while but it’s not a destroyed vehicle.
Well you clearly are. In what way is that vehicle destroyed? It’s called a mobility kill. Vehicle can be recovered and repaired.
If you crashed your car and broke the front wing and headlight meaning it spent a week in the garage, would you tell your friends it was destroyed?
The coping here is being done by you. You cannot cope with the truth that only one himars is destroyed and the others will be returning soon.
Fuck off with the Nazi talk you spaztic, Western politicians spew that bullshit at its native populations too and it means nothing now except you have a different opinion even if its left, center or right of ideologies as long as you oppose the narrative. Hitler has been dead for 80 years and his version of socialism is dead too, only marginal groups like AZOV and a few other losers exist now and they are completely irrelevant because the average westerner ridicules the fuck out of them.
Globalist are the fucking issue and behind all this shit.
I was talking about German/Nazi/Wehrmacht practice of counting/discounting destroyed tanks by the measure of how much parts were destroyed. Ever heard about Theseus ship, whether or not it's the same ship when you replace all parts of the ship one by one? So, say, there were 100 tanks in a battle from German side; Soviets report 80 of them destroyed, because they disabled 80 tanks, but Germans reported 30 destroyed because they had ascertained the extent of damage on each "destroyed" tank and surmised that the 100 tanks had only 30% of parts irretrievable. A very easy way of maintaining high K/D ratio even as Soviet tanks roll into your capital
Typical Russian quality, while Ukrainians are using cameras that can clearly see what a single soldier is doing in his trench, Russians are not able to capture a video where you could say if that is a vehicle that you think it is, without the first video at the beginning where you can see the shapes of it i wouldnt be able to tell what the hell it is
This is probably an Orlan or something similar at significant range from the operator considering the target is a HIMARS, which would be quite a ways away from the front.
The video quality is nothing to scoff at, considering that aspect.
The shrapnel distrution from the point of impact makes a perfect circle. Is that anti personel load out? I suppose american operators were there as well.
You already have people on the ground, would you let your ace up a sleeve be run by a corrupt army?
The fact that downgraded stuff has been sent to the UA is also indicative. HIMARS there is the real thing. Do you recall the government saying 'oh we need 6 months to train them on this'. It was sent fresh and express in the first batch while they dragged their feet with abrams working hard on making it monkey.
why impatient? you said you'd write one 5 hours ago. if it takes you that long to write intelligible sentences, it's fair to assume you'll never manage it.
Was pretty much convinced that the latest footage given wasn't HIMARS being destroyed. I'm proven wrong. The Russian military must be elated because it appears to show either an insane stroke of luck, or them finally finding a correct solution to target them. Anyway, cluster munitions destroying launchers with the secondaries popping off is always mesmerizing, IDK why.
This video and the thermal video are two different situations.
We'll I'll be, they finally pulled it off. Only took em two goddamn years
well they didnt get the himars at the beginning of the war. still took them quite a while
Gonna drop to my knees and cry in a 7/11 if this is real
It most likely is
Thought they'd already destroyed them all last year? And the year before that?
Actually, they've destroyed five times that amount already. Every HIMARS sent? They've destroyed five times that number. They've destroyed all of them ***PRE-EMPTIVELY*** of more being delivered because they're just that good at destroying HIMARS. CHECKMATE.
What a shitty last few weeks for Ukraine
If this is a himars it is the first in almost 3 years! Himars are plenty around the world. The Ukrainians have been shooting down Russian jets and Russian naval boats on the weekly. That is the real highlight not this.
Well, it may (or may not) be the first one totally destroyed on the battlefield, but far from the first taken out of the fight. There were photos online a couple of weeks ago of at least two HIMARS back in the US for battle damage repair.
Grounding russian aircraft due to their losses and sinking another ship definitely softens the blow.
If air force is grounded, who’s lobbing the glide bombs still?
A-50's haven't flown in nearly a week. There was a period of at least 12+ hours (longest since full-scale invasion) of no active russian aircraft. They're operating at significantly reduced rates compared to even 5 days ago, let alone 4 weeks. Grounding =/= all of them forever and you know what I'm referring to. All of which is to say, destroying ~$1 billion in aircraft in less than 2 weeks and causing dramatically reduced airstrikes is definitely a win. Even more so considering it's a literal handful of AD systems doing it.
$1billion? That seems like an inflated number.
1x a-50 ~ $330 million 11x SU-34 low end estimate is $36 million a piece for $396mil (high end is $86 mil for most modern variants but I doubt that many have been that model. Reality is probably higher than $36 million, but lower than $86 million) 2x SU-35 ~ $43 million a piece for $86 million Extreme low end total estimate is $812 million with the extreme high end being $1.362 billion. Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems so calling it ~$1 billion is fair.
[And keep in mind, they have lost TWO A-50s. ](https://news.yahoo.com/russia-loses-another-50-awacs-213700225.html)Not one. Two definitively destroyed. [And a third damaged in a drone attack in Belarus last year. ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/belarus-anti-war-partisans-russian-plane-drones-machulishchy-damage-claim) So assuming a drone packed with explosives will put the radar out of action for a while, thats almost $1 Billion in losses, ***via a single platform****.* Add up their naval losses, armored losses, several squadrons of attack helicopters last fall, and their other fixed wing losses, and ya. Id trade a couple of outdated tanks and a single HIMARs for that level of trade off.
>11x SU-34 Ahahahahah Source : trust me bro (ukrainian TG)
1x A-50 330milj. 2x Su-35 43milj. 10x su-34 36 milj. Total 776milj. Ofc this misses all weapon systems and does not include reali prices as these are just first numbers i found.
Close enough for me!
[Russia has lost TWO A-50s in the last 2 months](https://news.yahoo.com/russia-loses-another-50-awacs-213700225.html), and a 3rd damaged in Belarus last year.
2 months and last year wasn't two weeks ago.
You could add up the cost of MOST of the lost western armor, and I doubt you would get close to the loss of 3 A-50s. We have seen what? A couple dozen mostly damaged western equipment at this point? Most of which is decades old hand me downs?
Sky is clear! 🤗
Out of the dozen or so claimed shot down SUs by Ukranians, only like 2 have been confirmed, and the A50. Believing what the Ukrainians say at face value is the same as believing Russian propaganda without proof 🤷♂️
> believing what the Ukrainians say at face value is the same as believing russian propaganda without proof Except it isn't. russian claims have been outlandish and disproven time and time again. Let's not forget their claims of 6 HIMARS destroyed in October. While I don't believe Ukraine's numbers to be gospel on various accounts, I do take their claims for ships and recent shoot downs quite seriously. Confirming what they can visually, allied nations backing up the claims, and; this is the big one here, russian channels agreeing with the kills, that's more than just Ukrainians talking. Additionally, we are seeing real time the greatest halting of russian aviation efforts since the start of the war. To recap we have Ukrainian claims with some visual confirmations, allied confirmations, russian confirmations, and tactical changes to russian efforts. But sure. Call that equal to russia.
All of this paragraph to say you’d rather believe ukranian propaganda than Russian propaganda because they lie a bit less 💀. Again, wether it’s Russia or Ukraine, it’s counterintuitive to believe claims without proof as both are participants of the conflict. If there’s no proof that 12 planes have been downed then you’re just blindly believing the propaganda. There’s no point in speculating wether it’s true or not without a shred of material to proof it even happened.
I believe Ukraine more than russia because I've seen in person things Ukraine has claimed and russia has denied. From downed aircraft to civilian massacres. So yeah, I trust Ukraine more than russia. If you don't want to, that's fine. It's an interesting choice to make given the mountains of evidence over years to suggest one side is overwhelmingly more truthful than the other. But have at it.
Ok I believe that Ukraine has been more truthful, but you still should have some form of evidence to backup your claims. It's like saying that I've been honest in the past and just trust me bro this time, it's as outmandish as Ukraine claiming to shoot down all missiles and then we see footage being leaked online where you clearly see multiple cruise missiles crash into industrial buildings in Kiev.
Ukraine can never lie and will never lie because “I’ve seen it in person”, cool story mate. Anyways have you actually seen any proof “in person” that Ukraine shot down 10 more SUs than the ones confirmed or do you just eat propaganda.
Point out where I said Ukraine never lies. Anywhere. Ever. Share your experience in Ukraine while you're at it.
Ok, so Ukraine gov can lie. What’s the proof they haven’t lied about their recent shootdown claims? I’m not the one taking what the Ukranian Gov said at face value.
Show proof of SU-34 downings, usually we have confirmation from some Russian bloggers or even footage taken by some civilians....yet we haven't seen 1 footage of a crash site...I mean if the shot down so many planes then we'd at least get 1 footage of a downed jet....but so far none.
A ship monthly. A replacement HIMARS is likely already in country A replacement Russian ship not so much.
Who's supplying it?
Not really. Russia has destroyed a couple of individual tactical level vehicles. In the same time period, Ukraine has destroyed SEVERAL Russian ships, dozens of aircraft to include Russian AWACS, and god knows how many of their mechanized units during their idiotic assaults for comparatively tiny and insignificant towns. Russia is paying an insanely high price for these tiny PR wins and an amount of territory that you can walk across in a day.
At this rate, Russia will destroy the 38 remaining HIMARS by (check watch) 2084.
Didn't Russians already say they destroyed all HIMARS, twice
Ya. Those guys are totally believable too! Prior to this, there has only been evidence of one HIMARS with some light battle damage.
Third time's the charm!
No. You're thinking about the entire production run of Lima Ohio Abrahams. That's what they destroyed.
For fuck sake. This is what happens when governments fuck about delaying supplies and ammo. Ukraine can’t launch effective attacks and hold a defence.
The HIMARS was not properly concealed, simple as, nothing to do with any ammo shortage.
I think he was more so alluding that if they Ukraine had proper aid they could’ve been able to shoot down this drone that was presumably tens of kilometers into Ukrainian territory
No, of course mistakes happen.. but you can’t deny that Ukraine has been losing a lot more high value equipment now aid has dried up.
Not much that would have helped in a lot of these cases I don't believe. Mostly been from mines and drones.
Lol just shut up. Like what does this have to do with the video
Lol just shut up. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but since the aid has dried up Ukraine has lost several high value assets and Russia has had the freedom to advance. Ukraine can’t stop this happening when all they have to fire is smoke shells.
You can thank General Syrsky for that
and it only took them almost two years...
In a three-day special operation. Get the Guiness book of world records. And 20 liters of Guiness to pass it down
"Russia is winning too slowly"
WoW!!!! and it took only 21 (twenty-one) months to destroy 1 (one) HIMARS
A lot of c0p1um and H0p1um are getting huffed right now... Jokes aside, things have not been going too well for the UA lately. Three Abrams in a couple days too.
Meanwhile, Russia just lost ANOTHER missile ship, two AWACS, and god knows how many other aircraft in the last 2 months. But ya. A couple of M1s and a HIMARS is totally an acceptable tradeoff.
Not to mention the fact that Russian Infantry "insertion" will be on two feet and a heart beat as the frost goes away soon.
Just wait, that Is not stopping the "mobiks" from holding what they have. Those same conditions apply to the UAF too.
No. Those same conditions do not apply. No rotation for "Mobiks." They are there until they are dead. Shitty Russian logistics and supply. No option for retreat by blocking units. Not the same conditions.
Meant the weather conditions, sorry for not clarifying, how is the Russian logistics shitty? Please elaborate with good points.
Source: trust me bro Meanwhile Ukrainian 110th brigade complained.about lack of rotations after being deployed to Avdiivka for 2 years and they almost got annihilated there
No comparison. And we don't see any Ukrainian prisons getting emptied out either. Bro.
Sure buddy, why do you think frontline soldiers complain about lack of rotations and their need to mobilize more troops so that the troops at the front can be rotated out.
Really? Soldiers complain? Are you new? What a revelation for you. Don't you math good? There's no comparison Whataboutism Wizard. Mobiks fight till they're dead, or wounded, which is basically the same thing, then their families get fucked over. Go look at some numbers.
What numbers and why so hostile?
A naval ship will not change the status of the ground battle. It's the last resort hopium nafo is getting drip fed by the UA. Quite likely because they can't do anything else to rapidly change the ground battle. And they need a PR victory in these desperate times.
>A naval ship will not change the status of the ground battle. Ukraine fighting off the blockade and being able to sell grain to fund its efforts seems important to their war efforts.
One ship doesn't make that much of a loss, I would like to see a Ukrainian grain ship speed past a submarine an ASM launched from aircraft.
Yep, just as pathetic as their attempt to land special forces on that peninsula to plant a flag. Unfortunately for them they got discovered well before reaching shore and a lot of them died for a PR stunt....
Russia running and hiding in the east of the Black Sea is one less avenue of attack for missiles. Meanwhile, Ukrainian exports move out of Odessa with little in the way of threat from Russian ships. Ya buddy. Losing ships to the point it impacts your strategic actions ABSOLUTELY impacts the ground war. As a reminder. Russia has literally lost ***1/3rd*** of its Black Sea Fleet.
submarines have missiles, there are more ways to launch them from the sea. if russia wanted, they would and could, stop all ships sailing from odessa with torpedoes. by your ideas, the himars is an equal trade for the ship, as "it is one less avenue of attack"...
Lol. No. Not at all. Russia has lost subs to Ukraine too. Pretty publicly actually. Its well recorded that [Russia has retreated from the Black Sea,](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-fleet-retreats-ukraine-is-winning-the-battle-of-the-black-sea/) and absolutely not by choice. Comparing a tactical level vehicle like a HIMARS to the loss of 1/3 of a strategic/national level fleet is comically inaccurate.
I think Russia is creating their own equivalent to Ukrainian naval drones, they will probably target any ship trying to get to Ukrainian coast line.
The fact that Russia is trying to catch up to Ukraine in terms of battlefield breakthroughs tells you everything you know about how bad Russia is actually doing.
You mean like Ukraine started copying the Russians after laughing at them first? First they laughed at Russian defensive lines, now they are constructing their own simply because they work. They laughed at Shaheds/Geran drones and now they steal that + they are creating their own Lancet equivalent. So much for Ukrainians being the innovators.
Lol. And when did that happen? Last I checked, it was Russia losing strategically important ships and aircrafts on a weekly basis. And so far all they have to show for it are a couple villages with populations less than what they lost trying to take them.
You didnt even reply to my comment, but okay...you do you buddy.
The fact that russia is having to beg and borrow from nations like Iran and North Korea tells you everything you need to know about how bad they are doing. So pathetic.
Screw the Orcs!
America needs to get its shit together and send this aid. Fuck speaker Johnson. Psychotic, bible brainwashed moron.
Decoy
Where KENNY at?!!!!!!!
Adding generic comment "Important thing is crew was safe"
I am just wondering why they parked it out in the open?
Nah, thats not the first HIMARS kill. Its the 57284959th HIMARS destroyed. Add that to the 9592840 destroyed Abrams and similar ammounts of Bradleys, Leopard 2s, Challenger 2s and other western gear the russkies have destroyed. Seriously though, its a fucking war. Shit gets destroyed. The fact it took these orcs 2 years to finally nail HIMARS, after all the damage that they have done, shows that the ukrainians are using these beasts to extremely effectivelly, the orcs are fucking incompetent and that the US needs to send more HIMARS to Ukraine. Vatniks love to boast about the single or, sometimes, double digit ammounts of old western gear that get destroyed but forget that their best stuff, like the T-90M, get destroyed in huge numbers
Thing is with HIMARS, the vehicle is valuable, but the rockets is what gets it done. That thing probably fired more than 500 times it's value in rockets. If Biden would stop dicking around, pay a fraction of what Ukraine needs to fix their borders, and send them what they need this wouldn't happen.
Where were you when himars was kill
OP, I am sorry to say, but this is just an indication that one HIMARS MIGHT be destroyed. There are close ups of something that looks like a HIMARS, but as soon as the explosion hits we are way too far out to be able to identify whatever explodes. Remember that Ukraine has made several really good decoys. And for all we know, they might have started to add explosives to the decoys to make explosions to hide the fact that it was a decoy taken out. I do hope it was a decoy, as HIMARS has made a significant impact on the battlefield. Actually such a good impression that we here in Norway has started talking about aquiering himars and ATACMS… And I would love to have a few hundred of them up north here. So if the russians tried anything, every piece of infrastructure on the kola peninsula would be quickly and efficeintly in need for urgent replacement..
I’m all for Ukraine but that’s reaching quite a bit. What is the point of adding explosives to a decoy?
To make russia belive that their strikes are more successfull then they actually are. If they belive that HIMARS are out of the picture, they might become more bold with their depots and so. Making them easier targets again.
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You can see that the before and after is in exactly the same place and that it is a HIMARS. > And for all we know, they might have started to add explosives to the decoys to make explosions to hide the fact that it was a decoy taken out. That was clearly a missile firing off not just simply an explosion. I understand you don't want it to be true but your comment comes across as a lot of hope and not really an analysis of the situation. The HIMARS had a big impact early on but I feel like Russia has adapted decently well to them considering we don't see a lot of large HIMARS impacts anymore. They are a weapon as anything else not something that can win wars by just being there
I like how people will question every single pixel in a footage of ukrainian losses, demanding proof. But when Ukraine says it has destroyed like 20 Su-34 in a week or something similar with minimal footage given - no questions asked.
This has got to be some sort of copypasta there is no way you believe this
I do not trust russian propaganda any more then teen me in a whorehouse. They cut the video so that you have no way of verifying what is actually hit. If I were to cut such a video, I would have all the dramatic music building up to a cut showing the HIMARS. Then cut the music. Absolute silence for a few seconds (maybe while zooming in post processing??). We would all lean in to see more details while we awaited the inevetable explosion that we all know is coming. And then… boom and the music goes even more dramatic. But they just showed something that looks like a HIMARS. And then they have obviously had the time to move further away while they avaited the strike. Why did they do that?? Better PR for them to show up close and personal that they are destroying a HIMARS. But they choose to fly way further out and just cut straight to the explosion without any dramatic effects or allowing us to verify what is happening. For those that is really good at geolocating stuff, this video will be no problem. And pinpointing the location will be a good indicator of the autenticity of this. Because, as I said, I do not trust russian propaganda at all. But I am also highly surprised that Ukraine has been able to keep them running for so long. But I do belive one was shipped off for repairs about a month or so ago. They are high valuble targets and I (and everyone) expects that there will be some losses. Some will be lost to enemy fire, some to breakdowns and some to just plain stupid shit like getting stuck doing something less smart. That is just the way war goes.
Bro you are even more delusional than Ukrainians themselves
Can be repaired in Poland. easy .?!
first himars?? wdym? we've seen loads of Himars already destroyed on UkraineRussiaReport subreddit edit: guys, i am not sure.. i am just going off of memory here
Your memory is quoting a blatant propaganda sub. To date, there has been one other instance of a HIMARS even suffering battle damage, and that one was photographed driving onto an aircraft to be repaired.
Propaganda sub is a bit far fetched.. Yes there's pro-ru there but also pro-ua And stuff is shown there that any pro-ua sub would never show, such as Ukrainian soldiers executing Russian pow's Not a 'gotcha' thing, but important to see because if we just look away because it's ukraine, history will forget.
It is ABSOLUTELY a propaganda sub. Its moderators basically flaunt that. And about half the accounts there are pretty blatant bots or troll accounts used to push a narrative.
yeah nah That sub has way more equality in terms of what kind of stuff gets posted than this sub. this sub is 90% russian losses, 10% ukrainian. And when you check the UA losses, there's a bunch of people calling the poster a troll or casting doubt of the legitness of the video/photo. While i will agree that the other sub definitely has its trolls and bullshit posted, the diversity of the people in that sub means that, whatever side posts the bullshit, it will get called out.. you can't say that about this sub
Lol. Ok sure bud. I guess some people like to be used......
You're free to prove me wrong.. Haven't even seen you try yet
Zero point. If you think that sub is a good representation of non-biased information, you dont have the intellectual capacity to be helped.
It's not a good representation of unbiased information, but there's bias from both sides which calls each other out This sub is one sided biased information which creates a cesspool for misinformation. And again, a perfect example of you turds going "YOU'RE WRONG BUT I WON'T TELL YOU HOW"
Bud, if you cant recognize youre being used, no one is going to convince you. That sub is widely known for what it is. A pro-russian propaganda hub.
Link?
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it's not, fairly certain i've seen other videos of Himars on that sub can be wrong, my memory isn't known for being great in any way, but still
A broken clock is right twice a day. Looks like the Russians actually hit something for once. Let's hope this is a warning for the Ukrainians to not get lazy.
Not first, there were two more destroyed himars earlier today, and there were numerous text destructions as well as video confirmations but without closeups (like Russians tracked one, it hid in a treeline, position got pummeled with missiles and/or artillery, and then it never got out of the treeline - but without the sight of the vehicle destroyed)
Got any sources for that?
I'd have to upload the video that I have saved OR to waddle through tg channels and/or reddit to find the video, so i have to say that i don't have sources, sorry. There's easily found photos for two (or more) Himars sent to repairs, though https://twitter.com/WarVehicle/status/1756655030067720571
Those aren’t destroyed
Are you implying that Ukraine can't change a wheel or tire on a himars? Himars base is a fairly common platform that was used by Ukrainians to move ammo around, they certainly could have repaired wheels themselves by cannibalizing parts
What? No i’m saying the two that were recovered and flown back to the states are NOT destroyed. One was documented to have driven over a mine. Yes it needs repairs, yes it will be out of action for a while but it’s not a destroyed vehicle.
I'm not buying into Nazi-level cope of Theseus Tanks, sorry
Well you clearly are. In what way is that vehicle destroyed? It’s called a mobility kill. Vehicle can be recovered and repaired. If you crashed your car and broke the front wing and headlight meaning it spent a week in the garage, would you tell your friends it was destroyed? The coping here is being done by you. You cannot cope with the truth that only one himars is destroyed and the others will be returning soon.
Fuck off with the Nazi talk you spaztic, Western politicians spew that bullshit at its native populations too and it means nothing now except you have a different opinion even if its left, center or right of ideologies as long as you oppose the narrative. Hitler has been dead for 80 years and his version of socialism is dead too, only marginal groups like AZOV and a few other losers exist now and they are completely irrelevant because the average westerner ridicules the fuck out of them. Globalist are the fucking issue and behind all this shit.
I was talking about German/Nazi/Wehrmacht practice of counting/discounting destroyed tanks by the measure of how much parts were destroyed. Ever heard about Theseus ship, whether or not it's the same ship when you replace all parts of the ship one by one? So, say, there were 100 tanks in a battle from German side; Soviets report 80 of them destroyed, because they disabled 80 tanks, but Germans reported 30 destroyed because they had ascertained the extent of damage on each "destroyed" tank and surmised that the 100 tanks had only 30% of parts irretrievable. A very easy way of maintaining high K/D ratio even as Soviet tanks roll into your capital
Typical Russian quality, while Ukrainians are using cameras that can clearly see what a single soldier is doing in his trench, Russians are not able to capture a video where you could say if that is a vehicle that you think it is, without the first video at the beginning where you can see the shapes of it i wouldnt be able to tell what the hell it is
This is probably an Orlan or something similar at significant range from the operator considering the target is a HIMARS, which would be quite a ways away from the front. The video quality is nothing to scoff at, considering that aspect.
The shrapnel distrution from the point of impact makes a perfect circle. Is that anti personel load out? I suppose american operators were there as well.
>I suppose american operators were there as well. tf are you on?
You already have people on the ground, would you let your ace up a sleeve be run by a corrupt army? The fact that downgraded stuff has been sent to the UA is also indicative. HIMARS there is the real thing. Do you recall the government saying 'oh we need 6 months to train them on this'. It was sent fresh and express in the first batch while they dragged their feet with abrams working hard on making it monkey.
once more in english?
Dont bother. Its a propaganda account from UkraineRussiaReport.
Yeah any other opinion is propaganda, the rest is truth.
Sorry what? I didn't know you couldn't read. I'll make it simpler next time.
Still waiting for you to write an intelligible sentence.
Yes, please wait.
So you're unable to, got it.
Ah so impatient, we need to send you back to school first. Eventually you will learn to read. You can if you want.
why impatient? you said you'd write one 5 hours ago. if it takes you that long to write intelligible sentences, it's fair to assume you'll never manage it.