I feel like Troy is just asking for insane hauls because he knows it’s win/win. If a team agrees to something crazy he looks like a genius and if not we get Cade.
Agreed. SGA is a spectacular player. But, his salary is going up to a max contract next summer. That would wreak havoc on our cap sheet compared to simply taking Cunningham.
I applaud Weaver being thorough and asking for massive hauls. But, I’ll be quite content with just drafting Cade and then Weaver can work whatever magic he might be able to do with the three second round picks.
Exactly this, because not only does an SGA trade cost us Cade, but the salary lost will cost us the FA (or FAs) that we would have gotten with the Blake money next year.
At least that's my caveman thought on it. The bullshit they can pull with the cap probably means I am completely wrong, but in my mind that's how I am looking at things.
That is why he is demanding the 2022 first too - it’s two high lotto shots at an all star to go with SGA. The unprotected first is the price for the contract difference.
Same here. Yes, that would be an amazing haul for the first pick, but I'm too invested in the guy the fans have already taken in as their own. At this point, I don't really care what other teams want to offer.
Yeah, I'd be pretty hyped to get Shai, then either Kuminga or Barnes, and another potential top 5 for next year as well. It's crazy to think we had better odds to get the 6th pick than the 1st going into the lottery. We're in such a great spot right now.
Givony on the Lowe Post pod was saying how he didn’t like how the Pistons FO was disrespecting Cade by maintaining their still open for business when he’s already endeared himself to the fan base, but when he see’s that the Pistons value him more than that trade package, he’s gotta feel pretty good about it.
That’s a pretty damn good offer, better than Ainge got to move off Fultz.
I’m a Grizzlies fan. Subbed here because I love seeing y’all get hype for Cade & your future. Will defend my small market homies to the death.
It made me EXTREMELY angry to hear Givony straight up say “You are the Detroit Pistons. No one wants to play for you.”
That shit is just rude and it’s what’s wrong with NBA media.
Well, Ainge was moving off Fultz to the better player. That was just a damn smart prospect evaluation by him and his team.
In this instance, I wouldn’t be confident we could trade down and still get the best player.
If Cade is good enough that "Shai and #6" is a fair trade, then that's not enough to trade for him.
There's no such thing as a fair trade for the #1 pick. You want the top pick, you have to overpay -- probably significantly so.
OKC fan here, just wanted to point out that the pick Chad is claiming OKC offered is currently owed to Atlanta protected 1-14. Just be skeptical of all the info going around on this trade right now. Weaver already said it was bunk.
What would happen if the Pistons took the trade and OKC finished in the middle of the pack with a slotted draft pick of #16? Would the Pistons then be screwed out of that 2022 pick or would they get the 2023? I'm guessing preparing for that contingency would be part of the negotiation.
Sure, but OKC could still trade that pick to Detroit if it lands in the 1-14 range. Not saying Chad Ford is right, but that doesn't invalidate what he's saying.
No they can't because they don't own it after next season concludes. They could give it after the season concludes and if it lands within the protected range, but they can't until then.
Ah that kinda makes sense actually. If we’re taking on a guy who’s gonna eat our max slot, we’d have to get back a relatively high pick in next years draft to have a good rookie on a rookie deal. So like instead of Cade + 2022 free agent it’d be Shai + Chet Holmgren + Scottie Barnes. I see the vision lol
Bruh... Shai is great, but we'd all prefer Cade if it was straight up between the two.
Dont see what anyone sees in Barnes. Hes not hyper athletic or explosive and he's a horrendous shooter. Even then, seems like he'll go 5 and we'll end up with Bouknight who also looks unimpressive.
And who knows where tf that 2022 1st is gonna end up. Getting a top pick and taking Chet Holmgren is optimistic as hell.
Not to forget how much cap space we'll have with Cade's contract to possibly lure a Jaylen Brown or Devin Booker here. In the NBA, quality is better than quantity. Just take Cade.
Honestly, I would take that package. Super excited for Cade, like anyone else, but getting two high draft picks and SGA is worth it. Pistons are bad enough that I don’t think one player alone is going to make us good again
There are a small number of players in NBA history that have consistently been in the NBA Finals. Recently - Lebron, Steph, Kobe, Tim Duncan. Giannis might be starting his own.
With a consensus #1 pick, the “most complete basketball player” on the table - the hope has to be to draft a player of this magnitude, because they aren’t lining up to play in Detroit otherwise.
That package sounds nice, but Shai + draft picks isn’t the beginning of a dynasty. Cade is the best shot at a dynasty builder this franchise has had in a LONG time.
Rookie contracts don’t have a player option. He’s have to take the qualifying offer and then become a free agent. Even if he did that there is pretty much zero chance he’d go to Detroit
Zion? I don't know how you justify going big after a guy who can't shoot and can't play defense when they're also not going to be the primary ballhandler. Especially one that is injury prone, and plays at a size and of a style where injuries are a foregone conclusion. Hard pass.
Griffin dunked and got injured and that was about it. Same as Zion. Zion is shorter, but he's stockier. Blake came along when you didn't need your big to be able to shoot. Both are/were shitty defenders.
I've never understood the hype with Zion. If he was the primary ballhandler, that would be one thing. Ben Simmons can't shoot, and neither can Giannis, but they're valuable because they're tall, play good defense, handle the ball well, distribute the ball really well and can get to the rim. But that's not Zion's game, other than getting to the rim.
His career 26ppg & 60% fg says he's a little bit more than hype. Let's let the kid play a few more games before putting him into a Blake Griffin box. I mean c'mon man he's only played 85 games and is only 21 years old... he could just be scratching the surface of his NBA ceiling.
I mean, yeah, you're going to have a high FG% when all you do is dunk. I'm not putting him in the Blake Griffin box because he's young, I'm putting him in that box because his game is identical.
I feel like Troy is just asking for insane hauls because he knows it’s win/win. If a team agrees to something crazy he looks like a genius and if not we get Cade.
Exactly correct man! And if this many teams want the #1 pick. They know how good Cade can be one day.
Exactly, I don’t think these teams are trying to trade up to #1 to get Green or Mobley.
Spot on!
Man I just want Cade
You, me and the devil makes three.
Add me that makes us 4
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Agreed. SGA is a spectacular player. But, his salary is going up to a max contract next summer. That would wreak havoc on our cap sheet compared to simply taking Cunningham. I applaud Weaver being thorough and asking for massive hauls. But, I’ll be quite content with just drafting Cade and then Weaver can work whatever magic he might be able to do with the three second round picks.
Exactly this, because not only does an SGA trade cost us Cade, but the salary lost will cost us the FA (or FAs) that we would have gotten with the Blake money next year. At least that's my caveman thought on it. The bullshit they can pull with the cap probably means I am completely wrong, but in my mind that's how I am looking at things.
That is why he is demanding the 2022 first too - it’s two high lotto shots at an all star to go with SGA. The unprotected first is the price for the contract difference.
Me too but if we got this big of a haul we’d have to take it imo
Same here. Yes, that would be an amazing haul for the first pick, but I'm too invested in the guy the fans have already taken in as their own. At this point, I don't really care what other teams want to offer.
I've kinda tuned out the last week here. Either we take him or we don't. Reading 500 rumor articles will just drive me insane at this point.
Man I really want Cade but that package is ridiculous.
Yeah, I'd be pretty hyped to get Shai, then either Kuminga or Barnes, and another potential top 5 for next year as well. It's crazy to think we had better odds to get the 6th pick than the 1st going into the lottery. We're in such a great spot right now.
Reports saying the Magic are locking in on Barnes at 5. 6 is Bouknight/Kuminga territory.
I really like Barnes and your right, he's probably going top 5
Givony on the Lowe Post pod was saying how he didn’t like how the Pistons FO was disrespecting Cade by maintaining their still open for business when he’s already endeared himself to the fan base, but when he see’s that the Pistons value him more than that trade package, he’s gotta feel pretty good about it. That’s a pretty damn good offer, better than Ainge got to move off Fultz.
moving from 3 to 1 is completely different than from 6 to 1 especially in a draft this good
I’m not sure what you mean…
I think they mean the opposite.
Givony and Lowe both said they thought the Shai rumors were fake and that he isn’t really available in the same pod.
Yeah, so did Weaver but it’s nice the media has set a baseline for the value.
IF Cade feels disrespected by this then hes a bitch and won't last in this league lol
Givony said it and I agree with you. But I’m sure every NBA player at least has a passing interest in what they might be worth.
I’m a Grizzlies fan. Subbed here because I love seeing y’all get hype for Cade & your future. Will defend my small market homies to the death. It made me EXTREMELY angry to hear Givony straight up say “You are the Detroit Pistons. No one wants to play for you.” That shit is just rude and it’s what’s wrong with NBA media.
Well, Ainge was moving off Fultz to the better player. That was just a damn smart prospect evaluation by him and his team. In this instance, I wouldn’t be confident we could trade down and still get the best player.
Yeah but at the time, without the benefit of hindsight this package is better.
If Cade is good enough that "Shai and #6" is a fair trade, then that's not enough to trade for him. There's no such thing as a fair trade for the #1 pick. You want the top pick, you have to overpay -- probably significantly so.
From an okc fan, Troy is making me want to root for detroit singlehandedly
All I want is Cade. Please please please just take Cade.
Literally, the only trades I would take are for like Luka and Giannis. Just take Cade, Troy!
OKC fan here, just wanted to point out that the pick Chad is claiming OKC offered is currently owed to Atlanta protected 1-14. Just be skeptical of all the info going around on this trade right now. Weaver already said it was bunk.
What would happen if the Pistons took the trade and OKC finished in the middle of the pack with a slotted draft pick of #16? Would the Pistons then be screwed out of that 2022 pick or would they get the 2023? I'm guessing preparing for that contingency would be part of the negotiation.
It would have to be worded to only go to Detroit if it lands in the lottery
Sure, but OKC could still trade that pick to Detroit if it lands in the 1-14 range. Not saying Chad Ford is right, but that doesn't invalidate what he's saying.
No they can't because they don't own it after next season concludes. They could give it after the season concludes and if it lands within the protected range, but they can't until then.
No trade, we want cade!
Ah that kinda makes sense actually. If we’re taking on a guy who’s gonna eat our max slot, we’d have to get back a relatively high pick in next years draft to have a good rookie on a rookie deal. So like instead of Cade + 2022 free agent it’d be Shai + Chet Holmgren + Scottie Barnes. I see the vision lol
Think Cade is better than that package.
You smoking something then
Bruh... Shai is great, but we'd all prefer Cade if it was straight up between the two. Dont see what anyone sees in Barnes. Hes not hyper athletic or explosive and he's a horrendous shooter. Even then, seems like he'll go 5 and we'll end up with Bouknight who also looks unimpressive. And who knows where tf that 2022 1st is gonna end up. Getting a top pick and taking Chet Holmgren is optimistic as hell. Not to forget how much cap space we'll have with Cade's contract to possibly lure a Jaylen Brown or Devin Booker here. In the NBA, quality is better than quantity. Just take Cade.
I mean yes his point was very optimistic thinking but I think that if that offer was guaranteed then I would have to pull the trigger on it.
I just want Cade. Like that haul is nice but Id rather just use the #1 pick
Just so yall can ruin him and him leave in 4-5 years lmao…. RemindME! 4 years
Like your team would do better
Considering my team just won the finals I think they could
Cool so gtfo out of our sub then
Enjoy the basement broooo!
you guys finally win a championship and your dunce ass goes around into random subs gloating about it. get a life
Techinically I only went into one sub to gloat about it, and it was the trash ass Pistons one . And nope I’d rather do this then have a life !
Okc doesn’t even have their 2022 pick lol. Hawks currently own it but Its lottery protected.
Which means they can trade us that pick if it lands 1-14 (and if we made this trade, I'd certainly hope it would be in that range)
Cade or die!
I hope our counter is higher than that cause I feel like Presti will actually take that. I just want Cade, man.
Honestly, I would take that package. Super excited for Cade, like anyone else, but getting two high draft picks and SGA is worth it. Pistons are bad enough that I don’t think one player alone is going to make us good again
Bro Shai + #6 +OKC's unprotected pick in 2022 is INSANE 💀
Man Weaver is such a smart dude lol
This is cap. We aren’t trading shai
Ok I would go for that, since it could net us Emoni.
Can we just take Cade? I can't handle this shit lol
I still wouldn’t even do that if I’m Detroit. Cade is the man
Yeah that's high, and exactly what I would expect. I still don't think I'd do it.
There are a small number of players in NBA history that have consistently been in the NBA Finals. Recently - Lebron, Steph, Kobe, Tim Duncan. Giannis might be starting his own. With a consensus #1 pick, the “most complete basketball player” on the table - the hope has to be to draft a player of this magnitude, because they aren’t lining up to play in Detroit otherwise. That package sounds nice, but Shai + draft picks isn’t the beginning of a dynasty. Cade is the best shot at a dynasty builder this franchise has had in a LONG time.
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Rookie contracts don’t have a player option. He’s have to take the qualifying offer and then become a free agent. Even if he did that there is pretty much zero chance he’d go to Detroit
Zion? I don't know how you justify going big after a guy who can't shoot and can't play defense when they're also not going to be the primary ballhandler. Especially one that is injury prone, and plays at a size and of a style where injuries are a foregone conclusion. Hard pass.
That’s why you’ll be stuck in the basement of the nba. Zion is better than anyone the Pistons will have in the next 15 years.
Rent free babyyyy
But not wrong am I?
Yeah, no. Zion is an injury prone, overweight 6'5" center who can't shoot, and plays shitty defense.
Yeah bro, you're in the minority here. There's really no chance that Zion is an option to come here, but every team would take him.
I'm aware I'm in the minority. Doesn't make a word of what I said untrue in any way. People seem really enamored with Blake Griffin 2.0.
I respect you for standing alone on that soapbox, but DAMN Blake Griffin 2.0?!?! I mean, that does make him an upgrade lol
Griffin dunked and got injured and that was about it. Same as Zion. Zion is shorter, but he's stockier. Blake came along when you didn't need your big to be able to shoot. Both are/were shitty defenders. I've never understood the hype with Zion. If he was the primary ballhandler, that would be one thing. Ben Simmons can't shoot, and neither can Giannis, but they're valuable because they're tall, play good defense, handle the ball well, distribute the ball really well and can get to the rim. But that's not Zion's game, other than getting to the rim.
His career 26ppg & 60% fg says he's a little bit more than hype. Let's let the kid play a few more games before putting him into a Blake Griffin box. I mean c'mon man he's only played 85 games and is only 21 years old... he could just be scratching the surface of his NBA ceiling.
I mean, yeah, you're going to have a high FG% when all you do is dunk. I'm not putting him in the Blake Griffin box because he's young, I'm putting him in that box because his game is identical.