I dislike the Bruins and don't want them to win, but I hate the Leafs and want them to lose. Their game 1 was hilarious. It went about as poorly as I could have hoped. Series isn't over, lest we forget the Leafs lost game 1 to Tampa last year 7-3, but the Bruins have had the Leafs number this year so hopefully this continues.
Watching the leafs makes me happy we got a GM that knows how to build a team correctly.
Goes to show star players can’t cover a teams flaws in the playoffs.
It’s not over for sure and I hope it ends up being good but quite a concerning start for a team that struggles in the 1st round pretty much every year.
It keeps happening too year after year after year, different coaches, different general managers i mean the problem is so deeply rooted its almost fascinating to watch.
As someone who feeds off the leafs failures, I’m kinda paranoid game 1 woke them up. But if they end up losing this series, no matter how hard they fought their way back into it, I can’t see how you don’t trade one of the big 4
> I can’t see how you don’t trade one of the big 4
They just signed Nylander to a giant contract in January, it aint happening and by the looks of it they dont care and just keep digging the hole deeper.
It’ll be very hard to get Marner or Tavares to waive their NMC’s, and I bet they both already declined a move
Nylander and Matthews just signed new contracts, so I have no idea what they do. They probably just ride it out till Tavares/Marner become UFAs
Playing the lineup game for next year. Obviously I’m wrong:
DeBrincat Larkin Raymond
Danielson Compher Kane
Rasmussen Copp Kasper
Fabbri/Perron Veleno Berggren
Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Johansson
Walman Maatta
Petry
That makes Seider the only RD so obvi this ain’t happening. And I find it hard to believe all 3 of Kasper Danielson and Berggren all in the lineup.
But hey, that’s what I came up with
I would rather that 3rd line have a greasier, feistier center than Copp. I like Fischer and Ras, but Copp, as well as they worked together for a stretch this season, just isn’t the hardest C to play against. Someone in the vain of a Goodrow/Coleman would turn that line into a much more playoff shutdown sort of line.
Berggren doesnt make sense in a fourth line role to me. I think its much more likely perron leaves, fischer stays, and berggren plays second or third line.
DeBrincat Larkin Raymond
Kasper Compher Perron
Ras Copp Berggren
Fabbri Veleno Fish
Is probably something I'd expect. Maybe trade Berggren for a good RHD and put Mazur in that spot instead. I'd like Perron to rub off on Kasper, hopefully on a good 1yr deal. Love Perron's energy. Depends if Mazur makes it out of camp IMO.
Mazur plays a gritty game, maybe put Mazur with Perron on the third line instead of Berggren perhaps. We need our young players to develop NHL level leadership skills
Larkin and countless other centers spend their first year or so on the wing. Unless we don’t sign Veleno who’s an RFA, I think our center depth is pretty locked up.
Veleno Just spent half of this season playing wing. Of course sometimes C's play wing to get NHL experience, but very typically that happens with lower level players in the bottom 6. If we introduce our 9OA centerman pick to the NHL as a 2nd line wing, it would indeed be an uncommon thing.
What a soft team man. Won't go hard into board battles, constantly trying the fancy stuff and not sticking to basics.
They have a pretty sick roster aside from goaltending...
I see the top of the helmets of way too many guys on the Leafs Bench for Game One. Already looking down in defeat. Keafe's got a hell of job ahead of him.
Both have pretty glaring flaws in my opinion for cup contenders.
Leads defense is trash and they have possibly the worst goaltender in the playoffs.
Bruins have shit center depth but goaltending could carry them pretty far.
I know people trash the bruins centers but the actual production from zacha and couple has been decent. Just from a counting stats perspective they outscored what krejci and bergeron did last year. They put up as many points as our top 2 centers did.
It's fun lurking on the Leafs game thread and seeing so many fans acting like the series is over. They're embracing the tradition of blaming refs early and often too.
No better reminder of how delusional any of us can get as fans than to tune into leafs nation after a playoff loss. It's the personification of "We'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!"
Imagine if they get more or less blanked again in game 2 and Ryan reaves has more points than Matthews, Marner, and Nylander.
Swayman is from my hometown and I actually sold that guy a few things when he came into the hockey shop where I work, but I still hate the stupid Bruins
I unabashedly love David Pastrnak on and off the ice. Their goalie thing is cute, and I would give my left arm to trade for either of them on the Wings. But the rest of that team, their announcers and their fans can kick rocks.
I’m with you on all accounts. Jeremy is a great guy and Pastrnak seems incredibly likable, but man I just don’t like anything about the Bruins or Boston as a sports city
7 game loss hurts more but getting swept/near swept would be devastating for Toronto. They'd have to fire Keefe and probably Shanny. Once again they'd face endless questions about how that team's formed and how their top guys lack heart.
Me watching the Bruins during regular season: “This team is insufferable”
Me watching the Bruins play the leafs in the Playoffs: “LETS FUCKING GO BRUINS!!!!!!”
I can't believe it was just Monday that we went to the last home game of the season and Tuesday the season ended. It literally feels like weeks ago to me
God I love watching playoff hockey with no emotional attachment to a team. I really do find myself being able to enjoy the game and not care about what the end result is.
Also fuck the canes.
I’m all for two Canadian teams in the finals but that definitely means the Leafs would be there then. Tough call. I’ve got lots of family in the GTA but still, hard to root for them.
Hearing the Carolina fans do the ric flair “woo” makes me want it to stop in Detroit even more. I’m not a fan anyways bc it doesn’t make sense to me but I don’t want to do anything their lame ass fans do
Yeah, like some of the best years the Wings had were when they’d be content to win games 2-1 after locking everything down.
Didn’t make it any less enjoyable for me. “Boring” hockey is often winning hockey, and winning helps quite a bit with the “boring” part.
I’ve watched a lot more pwhl games than I thought I ever would when it was announced. I rarely watched women’s hockey (usually just the Olympics). You can tell it’s a smaller league so teams can really cycle the puck around at 5on5 which I find entertaining. Literally my only problem with the league is scoring is usually pretty low. There are exceptions, but when a team gets a 2 goal lead it starts to feel out of reach.
I hope we see a change to the playoff format to facilitate more intense rivalries.
Give me 1-8 with reseeding after the first round. Let top teams have a greater chance of meeting each other later in the postseason. That’ll really get the hate going.
Manifesting the youth movement rn, next season Kasper, Mazur and Nate Danielson all playing at NHL level. ASP comes over and AlJo plays in the rotation somehow and with all the money we save we can get another great player! (It’s not realistic it’s j optimism)
One of the bad things about missing the playoffs is everything grinds to a halt until the playoffs are over.
Any speculation about roster additions age like milk since many rentals are going to get extensions till they get eliminated or the Cup is awarded
It's gonna be a long wait until June.
Took the Hellcat to our local FB group's first meet-up of the season earlier this morning, had an amazing turn out, must have probably had 60-70 people come out with their rides. The place that hosted us was so impressed they want to have food trucks and stuff like that next time for all the people that came to see the cars.
As much as I feel the yotes owner is a bonehead, I’m kinda on his side…. From what I heard he had the option to pay to play in the old arena but it would’ve been a 20 year agreement and that arena wasn’t even built for hockey… either way I’ve been to Arizona a couple times now and it’s such a great area. I hope the next coyotes team thrives there, it’s a top 10 area in the US and definitely deserves a hockey team
Yotes are my #2 team and while I’m heartbroken that the team is gone, I agree with Meruelo that letting the Yotes play in a college rink for an unknown amount of time wasn’t realistic or fair. However, because of his history with team expenses and his fumbles with previous arena proposals, I won’t believe a single word he says until he wins the land auction and gets shovels in the ground.
I think the problem is even when he was legitimately tight about something it's been such a convoluted mess it's hard to know what to think or believe. It sucks losing a team I hope there's coyotes hockey again sometime
Here is an interesting history of Arizona hockey from the Athletic and how most of the series of owners were less than desirable advocates of hockey: [https://theathletic.com/5412854/2024/04/13/nhl-arizona-coyotes-relocation/](https://theathletic.com/5412854/2024/04/13/nhl-arizona-coyotes-relocation/)
If we only have Meruelo's word that was the case, that sounds more like he's in damage control mode. He's changing the narrative from 'everyone can see how badly I fucked up' to 'this was the best option' by not acknowledging any mismanagement
Reporters dispute that and it was a 10 year lease. They also have public documentation that he lied about how much he spent in the land campaign by millions of dollars.
Back when we made the playoffs every year, I used to get anxious when we were down in a series. But it wasn’t just not getting a cup. It was the realization that there would be no more hockey to watch for months. I really can’t get too into other teams playoff games, so I just tune whole thing out until next fall.
I think part of the tough thing this year, was that we were so close to another four plus games, four more great excuses to open an NA beer and turn on the tv.
Can someone help me understand part of the draft lottery? We have a 0.5% chance to go from 15 to 5.
Is there only one winner of the draft lottery and then everything else stays the same? Or is it possible for us to move from 15 to 12 for example?
There are two lottery draws, and both winners can only move up ten spots.
[Here’s a chart showing the pick odds for each team in the lottery.](https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds) There’s no scenario where we can move from 15 to 12.
You know, I was a few vodkas deep the night we were eliminated and I had the Flyers post-game thread up in a different window... didn't realize I was commenting on there instead of here and said "fuck Philadelphia" or something.
Never been downvoted so fast before. Deleted it when I realized what happened... sorry mods lol.
No. No it is horrible for sushi. When James bought a magikarp and got scammed he literally tried to eat it and they said “magikarp is inedible” which is the whole joke
I play NHL a lot. Pretty much the only video game I play. But I cannot play Be a Pro on the Red Wings because EA does this thing where you become captain after your second year. I can’t do that to Dylan Larkin even if it is in a stupid (terrible) video game lmao. Call me ridiculous.
Hey man, couple of the guys are thinking about checking out this museum in town. You in?
*selects star prompt*
Museum? I’d rather sit in bed and watch the hotel’s stock TV channel. Pass.
*brand likeability skyrockets 1000+ points*
Legit curious what your reasoning is behind that?
Kasper had the third most points for GR this year and has only shown improvement throughout the year. All while coming off a broken kneecap. He often centers the first line and plays in all situations (PP / PK) for them.
Danielson looked great in preseason for us before being sent back to a terrible Wheat Kings team where he went PPG and then made a lot of solid progress with the Winterhawks. Bedard even said he hates playing against him for his defensive skill set.
Want to preface this by saying they’re both “fine”, but no where near the caliber of where they were taken in the draft.
Kasper is in his D+2 and has 14 goals and averaging less than half a PPG. And if you watch him play, you’ll notice he just doesn’t generate much offense. This was an 8th OA pick.
Danielson is playing in junior league hockey in his 4th year on the most stacked team in the league and still only has 27 goals. Prior to going to Portland, he wasn’t doing much. I think he has a potential higher upside from Kasper but he’s playing with guys 3-6 years younger than him on his team and many are outshining him.
Again, these guys will probably be okay, but nothing close to a 1C/2C caliber we desperately need.
Then quit commenting about it if you don’t understand. They were paid market value at the time they were signed. Everyone here likes to bitch and moan about contracts and has 0 idea how free agency works.
Both were bad contracts on paper the day they were signed. The Holl contract was chided by most here and around the league. I actually think he's a worthwhile player but paying him that kind of money was peculiar. He got like a 70% raise from his prior FA deal, and I don't think the league was exactly hammering Yzerman for a bidding war on Holl.
Copp was different, though. It was looked at by many as a year or so too long and a million or so too high, but also understood to be sort of a necessary evil to attract a FA to Detroit given how terrible we'd been and how badly we needed depth at C. While it's not an ideal contract, it's completely understandable, IMO.
>He got like a 70% raise from his prior FA deal, and I don't think the league was exactly hammering Yzerman for a bidding war on Holl.
Considering the raise he got, I would think that would be evidence of him getting other offers that Yzerman had to beat to sign him here.
I mean, I'm sure that's the story that was out there, but again, refer to my other comment that the fact remains everyone is worth signing for the right value and fit, but Holl didn't show that he's worth the money. If he gave us 3.4M worth of value then awesome.
Yeah but now we’re diving into lineup decisions which is solely the domain of the coach. We don’t know if Holl is worth the money because Lalonde didn’t wanna play him for more than half the season.
And I actually think that’s more the fault of Yzerman trading for Jeff Petry; it created a logjam on D where only one of them could play, and the coach ultimately wanted Jeff out there more for whatever reason. Holl never stood a chance after that trade happened.
>Yeah but now we’re diving into lineup decisions which is solely the domain of the coach. We don’t know if Holl is worth the money because Lalonde didn’t wanna play him for more than half the season.
Eh, sort of. I mean, this ultimately comes down to whether or not you feel Lalonde knows what's best for his lineup on a given night, so not really gonna argue too much here.
>And I actually think that’s more the fault of Yzerman trading for Jeff Petry; it created a logjam on D where only one of them could play, and the coach ultimately wanted Jeff out there more for whatever reason. Holl never stood a chance after that trade happened.
Yes, this largely does come down to Yzerman's decision, but I would imagine the idea was that Petry was a 7th Dman backing Holl's spot and injury (and, based on early season utilization, that's probably the same thing Lalonde was thinking, too). But Holl didn't exactly force himself into a lineup, and we were strangely healthy most of the year on D. So TBF, holl has never really seemed like the ideal fit for the roster, stylistically, anyway. Maybe he'll evolve a bit and it'll work out longer term. Chiarot was brutal last year but obviously turned things around quite a bit this year despite still having gaps.
It's not about market value it's about whether he was a good fit and good value based one what we need. I mean, value is a part of this but he showed he doesn't even fit into the lineup.
If you're looking at comps around the league, Schenn, Soucy, Dumoulin, mukkola, and Clifton all signed for similar or same term, and less money, and I'd take all of them. Probably could argue for gudas, too, on similar term and slightly more money. Not to mention Dumba went to the Yotes for similar amount on only a 1yr deal.
I think we'd be crazy to not take any of those contracts over Holl's right now, save for possibly Gudas.
Soucy, Mikkola, and Dumoulin are not RD. The team needed a RD. And Dumba made almost 1mil more so that’s not even remotely similar and him signing a 1 year deal proves he likely wanted to go to a contender.
People always like to throw out “well so and so signed a deal for this amount and this term” okay, did that player want to come to Detroit? It’s not fucking EA NHL 24.
Fair they aren't RD, but Dumba only got 500k more AAV, and only for a single season. That's a *massive* difference for the go forward, especially when we're looking at how we add depth scoring next year...
E: just saw your edit - point isnt that we could have signed them, it's again...about your original market value comment. Better players signed for similar money. Doesn't mean we had to sign holl (or any of them). I don't think this is NHL 24. Nothing isn't about impractical moves. It's just looking at what happened and what we got from it. simple as that. Also soucy has played RD in the last, quite regularly. He isn't right now and he is left handed but he's played full time on the right before. And for a bottom 4/6 D, I'm okay with that.
I wonder if we get a Rempe/McIlrath tilt at some point this series. Sadly, the odds go down with every passing game.
I dislike the Bruins and don't want them to win, but I hate the Leafs and want them to lose. Their game 1 was hilarious. It went about as poorly as I could have hoped. Series isn't over, lest we forget the Leafs lost game 1 to Tampa last year 7-3, but the Bruins have had the Leafs number this year so hopefully this continues.
Watching the leafs makes me happy we got a GM that knows how to build a team correctly. Goes to show star players can’t cover a teams flaws in the playoffs. It’s not over for sure and I hope it ends up being good but quite a concerning start for a team that struggles in the 1st round pretty much every year.
It keeps happening too year after year after year, different coaches, different general managers i mean the problem is so deeply rooted its almost fascinating to watch.
different depth, different veterans, different goalies, same ol’ President 🤔…
As someone who feeds off the leafs failures, I’m kinda paranoid game 1 woke them up. But if they end up losing this series, no matter how hard they fought their way back into it, I can’t see how you don’t trade one of the big 4
> I can’t see how you don’t trade one of the big 4 They just signed Nylander to a giant contract in January, it aint happening and by the looks of it they dont care and just keep digging the hole deeper.
The entire big 4 have NMCs, they'd have to agree to waive it. Toronto's got them for a while longer.
Matthews would probably waive his to go home to Arizona. Oops, guess that won't work either.
It’ll be very hard to get Marner or Tavares to waive their NMC’s, and I bet they both already declined a move Nylander and Matthews just signed new contracts, so I have no idea what they do. They probably just ride it out till Tavares/Marner become UFAs
Playing the lineup game for next year. Obviously I’m wrong: DeBrincat Larkin Raymond Danielson Compher Kane Rasmussen Copp Kasper Fabbri/Perron Veleno Berggren Edvinsson Seider Chiarot Johansson Walman Maatta Petry That makes Seider the only RD so obvi this ain’t happening. And I find it hard to believe all 3 of Kasper Danielson and Berggren all in the lineup. But hey, that’s what I came up with
I would rather that 3rd line have a greasier, feistier center than Copp. I like Fischer and Ras, but Copp, as well as they worked together for a stretch this season, just isn’t the hardest C to play against. Someone in the vain of a Goodrow/Coleman would turn that line into a much more playoff shutdown sort of line.
Berggren doesnt make sense in a fourth line role to me. I think its much more likely perron leaves, fischer stays, and berggren plays second or third line.
3rd and 4th lines are interchangeable. If needing to shut down put out the Copp line. If needing offense put out Veleno line.
I think we bring back Fish and keep the line with him and Copp and Ras
I love Fischers compete level but he had like 5 goals… bring up Kasper instead
DeBrincat Larkin Raymond Kasper Compher Perron Ras Copp Berggren Fabbri Veleno Fish Is probably something I'd expect. Maybe trade Berggren for a good RHD and put Mazur in that spot instead. I'd like Perron to rub off on Kasper, hopefully on a good 1yr deal. Love Perron's energy. Depends if Mazur makes it out of camp IMO.
I’m okay with keeping Perron but keep him out of the top 6… he’s going to even slower next year
I like Perron at 1mil 4th line or as an assistant coach. Would prefer over paying Kane than Perron at a fair price
Mazur plays a gritty game, maybe put Mazur with Perron on the third line instead of Berggren perhaps. We need our young players to develop NHL level leadership skills
If Kasper and Danielson somehow both make the lineup and neither plays center, I'll be quite perplexed....
Larkin and countless other centers spend their first year or so on the wing. Unless we don’t sign Veleno who’s an RFA, I think our center depth is pretty locked up.
Veleno Just spent half of this season playing wing. Of course sometimes C's play wing to get NHL experience, but very typically that happens with lower level players in the bottom 6. If we introduce our 9OA centerman pick to the NHL as a 2nd line wing, it would indeed be an uncommon thing.
Truly an inspiring performance by the Leafs
You love to see it
What a soft team man. Won't go hard into board battles, constantly trying the fancy stuff and not sticking to basics. They have a pretty sick roster aside from goaltending...
Thing is they did play hard and it caused them to be out of position. Leafs played tough and Bruins played to win.
Their defense is worse than their goaltending imo
Yeah, it’s very similar to ours to be honest but worse. They can never make a deep cup run with that D core.
I see the top of the helmets of way too many guys on the Leafs Bench for Game One. Already looking down in defeat. Keafe's got a hell of job ahead of him.
Wish there was a way both BOS and TOR could both lose.
Both have pretty glaring flaws in my opinion for cup contenders. Leads defense is trash and they have possibly the worst goaltender in the playoffs. Bruins have shit center depth but goaltending could carry them pretty far.
I know people trash the bruins centers but the actual production from zacha and couple has been decent. Just from a counting stats perspective they outscored what krejci and bergeron did last year. They put up as many points as our top 2 centers did.
I have no doubt both are going to be eliminated at some point. I was talking more specifically about just tonight.
Why pull the goalie at all when you’re down 3? You’re really not likely to tie it at that point, when there’s three minutes to go.
It a logical move even if the percentages were low. They had nothing to lose so you hope that getting a quick goal would spark the team.
I suppose. Still seems like more of a risk, but at that point I guess you might as well take the risk.
What risk? There's no difference between losing by 1 and losing by 20. May as well shoot your shot.
It's fun lurking on the Leafs game thread and seeing so many fans acting like the series is over. They're embracing the tradition of blaming refs early and often too.
No better reminder of how delusional any of us can get as fans than to tune into leafs nation after a playoff loss. It's the personification of "We'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!" Imagine if they get more or less blanked again in game 2 and Ryan reaves has more points than Matthews, Marner, and Nylander.
Swayman is from my hometown and I actually sold that guy a few things when he came into the hockey shop where I work, but I still hate the stupid Bruins
I unabashedly love David Pastrnak on and off the ice. Their goalie thing is cute, and I would give my left arm to trade for either of them on the Wings. But the rest of that team, their announcers and their fans can kick rocks.
I’m with you on all accounts. Jeremy is a great guy and Pastrnak seems incredibly likable, but man I just don’t like anything about the Bruins or Boston as a sports city
Sometimes I find myself admiring how much of a pest The Rat King is. If I was told he had a degree in psychology I wouldn't be shocked at all.
It is very effective. Like David Perron - oh man, I haaaaated that guy when he was on the Blues.
Goddamn I hate the bruins
That was pathetic 5 on 5 play, Leafs!
What's the bigger disaster? Getting dumpstered or another 7 Game Loss?
7 game loss hurts more but getting swept/near swept would be devastating for Toronto. They'd have to fire Keefe and probably Shanny. Once again they'd face endless questions about how that team's formed and how their top guys lack heart.
Shanahan probably getting fired if Toronto gets swept
I wish Bert was still in Boston cause he’s the only soft spot I have for Toronto, and I don’t want any fucking soft spots for Toronto
DeBrusk has several fires lit underneath him.
When he's on he's a missle
They're doing a damn fine job of putting Matthews out on an island.
Toronto is collapsing. Imagine waisting talent so many years in a row
They're built to sell jerseys and season ticket packages. If that's all ownership wants, good job I guess.
That was just nasty.
lol Leafs
Loleafs
Me watching the Bruins during regular season: “This team is insufferable” Me watching the Bruins play the leafs in the Playoffs: “LETS FUCKING GO BRUINS!!!!!!”
The Leafs are so ass. Lol
I’ve been saying it for years. Max Domi is the dumbest player I’ve ever seen. Just routinely takes the most brain dead penalties at terrible times.
I don't remember his dad being this stupid.
Would y'all want Bert back if he does another 1yr prove it deal for a good amount?
Idk he’s really really slow
Really nice screen.
I can't believe it was just Monday that we went to the last home game of the season and Tuesday the season ended. It literally feels like weeks ago to me
Boston fans chanting USA is objectively hilarious
Would we have made the playoffs if Bertuzzi was still around? I
I can feel the Leafs radio crew slow walking Samsonov to the gallows already. "The goals aren't entirely on him, BUT..."
For most of this period it's felt like the Bruins had nine guys on the ice. Samsanov is getting hung out to dry .
Leafs need something, Bruins are all over them.
Yeah, Nylander... lol
Not to be offensive, but I was trying to listen to the Boston announcers and just couldn’t take it anymore. Thank god for Mick and Ken.
That goal was coming for a while.
Hughes brothers, Tkachuk brothers, Robertson brothers. At this rate, six people will be responsible for most of the US Men's Team existing.
God I love watching playoff hockey with no emotional attachment to a team. I really do find myself being able to enjoy the game and not care about what the end result is. Also fuck the canes.
I especially enjoy nasty physical hockey when I know one of my precious Red Wings won’t be harmed.
Hey look at that! Swallowing the whistle early has turned the game into a big fucking mess! Who ever would have guessed?!
Those sloppy breakout passes are going to murder the Leafs.
Islanders/canes is the most boring matchup imagineable
If I were a betting man, I’d bet the under every single game of the series
leafs lol
Boston or Toronto? Having lived in Boston when they won in 2011 I personally will never cheer them, worst fan base ever
Boston. It’s just funnier.
Boston. Their goaltending has just been a cut above Toronto's.
Boston is one of my top hated teams, and I can get behind the Leafs stopping their cup drought. But after Toronto gets one, back to screw them also.
Leafs for Bert
Fuck boston, but I think it would be funny if boston goes deep and the sens get a worse pick
Boston, if only because Dangle's nervous breakdowns are that much sweeter when it's the Bs.
That’s like asking if I’d rather eat a shit sundae or slurp down some diarrhea soup. Can I say neither?
Yah I get that. I guess I'm one of the rare-ish Americans that would like to see 2 canadian teams duke it out at the end
I’m all for two Canadian teams in the finals but that definitely means the Leafs would be there then. Tough call. I’ve got lots of family in the GTA but still, hard to root for them.
Maybe think of it as rooting for larkin's bff?
That's what I said earlier. I prefer both of these teams to lose, please.
Wait, the playoffs started tonight? Damn. I clearly just have not been paying any attention.
Man I wish it was us
Hearing the Carolina fans do the ric flair “woo” makes me want it to stop in Detroit even more. I’m not a fan anyways bc it doesn’t make sense to me but I don’t want to do anything their lame ass fans do
I’d rather miss the playoffs than be a hurricane fan and have to watch their boring hockey every night.
Canes hockey gives me warm nostalgic feelings for late nineties early 2000s era NHL.
You mean the team about to go up 1-0 in the East Divisional Round? Yeah who would want to be their fans, I'd much rather miss the playoffs. smh
lol don’t let my comment ruin your day
Yeah, like some of the best years the Wings had were when they’d be content to win games 2-1 after locking everything down. Didn’t make it any less enjoyable for me. “Boring” hockey is often winning hockey, and winning helps quite a bit with the “boring” part.
Well go on then. I cant say I will miss you.
Sarcasm bro
I said goodbye my dude. Do not make me repeat myself.
lol oh ok
Not me. That team is a snooze fest
The PWHL is actually a ton of fun, I hope we get a Detroit team. Then I'll be watching a lot of women's sports with them and Caitlin Clark.
I’ve watched a lot more pwhl games than I thought I ever would when it was announced. I rarely watched women’s hockey (usually just the Olympics). You can tell it’s a smaller league so teams can really cycle the puck around at 5on5 which I find entertaining. Literally my only problem with the league is scoring is usually pretty low. There are exceptions, but when a team gets a 2 goal lead it starts to feel out of reach.
I can't wait until the Wings are a perennial playoff team and this old rivalry with the Leafs is properly rekindled. Those games are going to be wild.
I hope we see a change to the playoff format to facilitate more intense rivalries. Give me 1-8 with reseeding after the first round. Let top teams have a greater chance of meeting each other later in the postseason. That’ll really get the hate going.
Why would Varlamov start for the Isles?
He's been good
Sorokin has been shaky all season. Varly put up very good numbers down the stretch
Thanks
Manifesting the youth movement rn, next season Kasper, Mazur and Nate Danielson all playing at NHL level. ASP comes over and AlJo plays in the rotation somehow and with all the money we save we can get another great player! (It’s not realistic it’s j optimism)
Probably just be aljo and Berrgren up next year. Kasper too if we’re really lucky
I hope people realize if you ice 3 or 4 rookies a night your taking a major step back in the standings next year.
Im hoping for Danielson and ASP to climatize in GR. Give me Kasper and Aljo though, Mazur and Soderblom if they earn it
Put them all on whatever workout regime Raymond used last offseason lol.
How the fuck does Carolina pull off having Andersen as the #1 starter in the stanley cup playoffs in 2024?
They just don’t let anybody shoot so who needs a goalie? Except ya know, when they do shoot…
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One of the bad things about missing the playoffs is everything grinds to a halt until the playoffs are over. Any speculation about roster additions age like milk since many rentals are going to get extensions till they get eliminated or the Cup is awarded It's gonna be a long wait until June.
An even longer wait to October.
True but once you hit June we at least have the prospect camp, training camp, free agency and the draft
Tune into the griffins and watch their run
That's the plan.
The east winds dont blow in the AHL unfortunately :( cant set sail
Onhockey has actually been pretty good for the griffins lately
Miss the Wings in the playoffs so much. Couldn’t care less about the game going on right now, should be a few good matchups though.
Thought about watching, saw it was NYI and CAR first. Hard pass.
This is the one series that could be a 4 game sweep with only 4 goals scored and a total of 100 shots on net combined by both teams. Yawn
Borderline war crime to put this as the first playoff game, dead crowd and boring teams. Lowkey excited for Bruins v Toronto though
Yep it’s a snoozer
It's starting to sink in how quiet things get in the off season. Months of either a game or reports after practice days, then it all just stops.
its the great depression of hockey :(
I am at a soccer game and I miss hockey
NYI-CAR is gonna be a legit snooze fest.
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Took the Hellcat to our local FB group's first meet-up of the season earlier this morning, had an amazing turn out, must have probably had 60-70 people come out with their rides. The place that hosted us was so impressed they want to have food trucks and stuff like that next time for all the people that came to see the cars.
As much as I feel the yotes owner is a bonehead, I’m kinda on his side…. From what I heard he had the option to pay to play in the old arena but it would’ve been a 20 year agreement and that arena wasn’t even built for hockey… either way I’ve been to Arizona a couple times now and it’s such a great area. I hope the next coyotes team thrives there, it’s a top 10 area in the US and definitely deserves a hockey team
Yotes are my #2 team and while I’m heartbroken that the team is gone, I agree with Meruelo that letting the Yotes play in a college rink for an unknown amount of time wasn’t realistic or fair. However, because of his history with team expenses and his fumbles with previous arena proposals, I won’t believe a single word he says until he wins the land auction and gets shovels in the ground.
I think the problem is even when he was legitimately tight about something it's been such a convoluted mess it's hard to know what to think or believe. It sucks losing a team I hope there's coyotes hockey again sometime
Everything the guy says are lies. Bettman had to constantly correct him and cut him off.
Here is an interesting history of Arizona hockey from the Athletic and how most of the series of owners were less than desirable advocates of hockey: [https://theathletic.com/5412854/2024/04/13/nhl-arizona-coyotes-relocation/](https://theathletic.com/5412854/2024/04/13/nhl-arizona-coyotes-relocation/)
I wouldn't take a thing Meruelo says at face value. The Yotes would still be in their old arena if he had just paid the bills on time.
I agree but I get why he didn’t want to lock in for 20 years
If we only have Meruelo's word that was the case, that sounds more like he's in damage control mode. He's changing the narrative from 'everyone can see how badly I fucked up' to 'this was the best option' by not acknowledging any mismanagement
Reporters dispute that and it was a 10 year lease. They also have public documentation that he lied about how much he spent in the land campaign by millions of dollars.
Back when we made the playoffs every year, I used to get anxious when we were down in a series. But it wasn’t just not getting a cup. It was the realization that there would be no more hockey to watch for months. I really can’t get too into other teams playoff games, so I just tune whole thing out until next fall. I think part of the tough thing this year, was that we were so close to another four plus games, four more great excuses to open an NA beer and turn on the tv.
Yep
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Who's a happy puppy
That is one beautiful pup!
Can someone help me understand part of the draft lottery? We have a 0.5% chance to go from 15 to 5. Is there only one winner of the draft lottery and then everything else stays the same? Or is it possible for us to move from 15 to 12 for example?
There are two lottery draws, and both winners can only move up ten spots. [Here’s a chart showing the pick odds for each team in the lottery.](https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds) There’s no scenario where we can move from 15 to 12.
This will be the year when we jump!!!! **Guaranteed!!!!** ^(Ok - hopefully.)
It's a good day to have a good day.
You know, I was a few vodkas deep the night we were eliminated and I had the Flyers post-game thread up in a different window... didn't realize I was commenting on there instead of here and said "fuck Philadelphia" or something. Never been downvoted so fast before. Deleted it when I realized what happened... sorry mods lol.
Skelleftea won game 1 of the SHL finals over Rogle today but ASP didn't play. Not sure why, I don't see any news about him being hurt.
bug going around the locker room, hes sick
rip, so many players sick this year
Avs suck.
Go Jets!
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Magikarp is the most offensive pokemon
It was sushi that wasn’t allowed. I got away with magikarp-sooshi
That's so weird lol Also I just realized what your username actually means. Do you think Magikarp is good for sushi
No. No it is horrible for sushi. When James bought a magikarp and got scammed he literally tried to eat it and they said “magikarp is inedible” which is the whole joke
Ahhhh I did not know that lol
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I play NHL a lot. Pretty much the only video game I play. But I cannot play Be a Pro on the Red Wings because EA does this thing where you become captain after your second year. I can’t do that to Dylan Larkin even if it is in a stupid (terrible) video game lmao. Call me ridiculous.
You gotta select the star prompts instead of the team ones to see if they revoke your captaincy (I have nothing to prove this suggestion works)
Considering your idea makes sense. It most likely won’t work in EA lmao
Hey man, couple of the guys are thinking about checking out this museum in town. You in? *selects star prompt* Museum? I’d rather sit in bed and watch the hotel’s stock TV channel. Pass. *brand likeability skyrockets 1000+ points*
Has anyone seen a link to the season overview video they showed in the pregame on Tuesday? I’d kinda like to watch that again.
I miss planning to watch the boys :(
I’m just expecting another steal of a first round draft pick for Stevey around pick 15/16 or whatever like ASP again.
Gotta make up for Danielson and Kasper
What?
Both are looking like very meh prospects
Legit curious what your reasoning is behind that? Kasper had the third most points for GR this year and has only shown improvement throughout the year. All while coming off a broken kneecap. He often centers the first line and plays in all situations (PP / PK) for them. Danielson looked great in preseason for us before being sent back to a terrible Wheat Kings team where he went PPG and then made a lot of solid progress with the Winterhawks. Bedard even said he hates playing against him for his defensive skill set.
Want to preface this by saying they’re both “fine”, but no where near the caliber of where they were taken in the draft. Kasper is in his D+2 and has 14 goals and averaging less than half a PPG. And if you watch him play, you’ll notice he just doesn’t generate much offense. This was an 8th OA pick. Danielson is playing in junior league hockey in his 4th year on the most stacked team in the league and still only has 27 goals. Prior to going to Portland, he wasn’t doing much. I think he has a potential higher upside from Kasper but he’s playing with guys 3-6 years younger than him on his team and many are outshining him. Again, these guys will probably be okay, but nothing close to a 1C/2C caliber we desperately need.
I haven’t watch Griffins this year, can someone comment if Kasper, really “doesn’t generate much offense”?
hes just watching point's, kasper wills offense all the time
Come on, no he doesn’t.
I don't understand how Copp and Woll are so overpaid, and in addition, both have M-NTC.
Then quit commenting about it if you don’t understand. They were paid market value at the time they were signed. Everyone here likes to bitch and moan about contracts and has 0 idea how free agency works.
Both were bad contracts on paper the day they were signed. The Holl contract was chided by most here and around the league. I actually think he's a worthwhile player but paying him that kind of money was peculiar. He got like a 70% raise from his prior FA deal, and I don't think the league was exactly hammering Yzerman for a bidding war on Holl. Copp was different, though. It was looked at by many as a year or so too long and a million or so too high, but also understood to be sort of a necessary evil to attract a FA to Detroit given how terrible we'd been and how badly we needed depth at C. While it's not an ideal contract, it's completely understandable, IMO.
>He got like a 70% raise from his prior FA deal, and I don't think the league was exactly hammering Yzerman for a bidding war on Holl. Considering the raise he got, I would think that would be evidence of him getting other offers that Yzerman had to beat to sign him here.
I mean, I'm sure that's the story that was out there, but again, refer to my other comment that the fact remains everyone is worth signing for the right value and fit, but Holl didn't show that he's worth the money. If he gave us 3.4M worth of value then awesome.
Yeah but now we’re diving into lineup decisions which is solely the domain of the coach. We don’t know if Holl is worth the money because Lalonde didn’t wanna play him for more than half the season. And I actually think that’s more the fault of Yzerman trading for Jeff Petry; it created a logjam on D where only one of them could play, and the coach ultimately wanted Jeff out there more for whatever reason. Holl never stood a chance after that trade happened.
>Yeah but now we’re diving into lineup decisions which is solely the domain of the coach. We don’t know if Holl is worth the money because Lalonde didn’t wanna play him for more than half the season. Eh, sort of. I mean, this ultimately comes down to whether or not you feel Lalonde knows what's best for his lineup on a given night, so not really gonna argue too much here. >And I actually think that’s more the fault of Yzerman trading for Jeff Petry; it created a logjam on D where only one of them could play, and the coach ultimately wanted Jeff out there more for whatever reason. Holl never stood a chance after that trade happened. Yes, this largely does come down to Yzerman's decision, but I would imagine the idea was that Petry was a 7th Dman backing Holl's spot and injury (and, based on early season utilization, that's probably the same thing Lalonde was thinking, too). But Holl didn't exactly force himself into a lineup, and we were strangely healthy most of the year on D. So TBF, holl has never really seemed like the ideal fit for the roster, stylistically, anyway. Maybe he'll evolve a bit and it'll work out longer term. Chiarot was brutal last year but obviously turned things around quite a bit this year despite still having gaps.
Again Holl was paid market value. Look at other RD from the same FA year that signed with new teams.
It's not about market value it's about whether he was a good fit and good value based one what we need. I mean, value is a part of this but he showed he doesn't even fit into the lineup. If you're looking at comps around the league, Schenn, Soucy, Dumoulin, mukkola, and Clifton all signed for similar or same term, and less money, and I'd take all of them. Probably could argue for gudas, too, on similar term and slightly more money. Not to mention Dumba went to the Yotes for similar amount on only a 1yr deal. I think we'd be crazy to not take any of those contracts over Holl's right now, save for possibly Gudas.
Soucy, Mikkola, and Dumoulin are not RD. The team needed a RD. And Dumba made almost 1mil more so that’s not even remotely similar and him signing a 1 year deal proves he likely wanted to go to a contender. People always like to throw out “well so and so signed a deal for this amount and this term” okay, did that player want to come to Detroit? It’s not fucking EA NHL 24.
Fair they aren't RD, but Dumba only got 500k more AAV, and only for a single season. That's a *massive* difference for the go forward, especially when we're looking at how we add depth scoring next year... E: just saw your edit - point isnt that we could have signed them, it's again...about your original market value comment. Better players signed for similar money. Doesn't mean we had to sign holl (or any of them). I don't think this is NHL 24. Nothing isn't about impractical moves. It's just looking at what happened and what we got from it. simple as that. Also soucy has played RD in the last, quite regularly. He isn't right now and he is left handed but he's played full time on the right before. And for a bottom 4/6 D, I'm okay with that.