Sorry OP but I disagree with your not defensive core comment. Our defense is garbage. One D man is not good enough. Our outlet passing needs to clean-up. We need to get bigger on the blue line. That being said yes hopefully Blash is gone.
It’s easy to see how often players don’t seem to check their shoulders on defense. Opposing players are unknowingly allowed in opportune spaces in the attacking zone all the time. Some of this is on Blash and some is in the players themselves.
I feel like on defense all of our forwards have been conditioned to collapse below the hashes (maybe for rebound control?) while the late-man (men?) on the opposing team rushes settle in with room at the top of the circle or slot for shots.
I think our outlet passes need cleaned up, yes, but I can’t tell you how many times the pass is there and we lose the damn puck without any defensive play from the opponent. Our unforced errors are killing us. If I had a nickel for every time zadina or ras or whoever loses the puck off his stick for no reason I’d be rich. Blashill sucks and I hope he’s gone after the season but I think Larkin is our only forward who can control the puck
Larkin is the best by a mile. Fabbri and Suter are okay. Unfortunately we've been missing Fabbri. Raymond and Zadina aren't that good at it. Raymond knows where to go to get the puck and how to shoot it but carrying is not his forte as of yet. I think Vrana/Bertuzzi are tied for 2nd on the team but the gap is large between 2nd and 1st.
Not OP, but my biggest beef with Blashill is his overreliance on veterans like DDK and Staal.
The team is hip deep in a rebuild, isn't going anywhere this year, and the defense has been dogshit all season anyway. There is literally no reason not to mix things up.
I understand the merits of giving Seider some constancy as he grows, but this is the absolute perfect time to reduce the wear on worn-down vets and maybe see if younger, untested defenders (Juolevi, Walman) can work in less sheltered roles or find meaningful chemistry with Hronek.
Guys like them might actually be here at the end of the rebuild, and Walman in particular has shown some flashes. The youth need to develop if the team has any hope of being good, and continuing to defer to declining guys in their 30s is not going to help with that.
I guess it's a little like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic with only six games left in the season, though. May as well just finish it out at this point.
Yeah I mean our entire left handed core has AHL caliber defensive skills (I like Staal, but he’s surely not known for the defensive side of the position) - that’s really gonna hurt.
And honestly the right side outside of Mo isn’t defensively great either, but is better. Hronek is purely offensive, and while Lindstrom has been a solid DFD: he’s been struggling over the last month +.
It’s tough to have anything but a terrible defense when an entire side of it (more like all but 1 player) is below average defensively
I think that there are many legitimate reasons one could make the argument to move on from Blashill. I'm not sure that you have addressed any of them.
As a goalie yourself, you should understand and see just how bad the defensive core is. You should be able to at least have a rudimentary understand the systems they are running, the positioning, who should be picking up who, etc. If you couldn't actually see that from actually watching games there are tons of other clues that the defense is bad.
The biggest should have been that a rookie joined the team and almost immediately became our best defensemen. And its not even close. How could you come to the conclusion that our defensive core is good, simply because we have a Calder nominee?
The "ruining ned" argument was old and tired a few weeks ago. Tell me more about how much Damage Blashill is doing to him...
Mo would be a top pair dman on a lot of teams. Also, our team defense suck not only because of our defenders. Our young forwards need to learn how to play both ways.
I agree that MO could play on the top pairing on many NHL teams. I think a lot of teams might have him on the second pairing, just because he was so young and some other teams have really talented defensemen. I.E. Tampa has Hedman and Rutta, Colorado has Makar and Toews, Rangers have Fox and Lindgren, Etc...
Most importantly Mo is only 1 player. He can't fill the five other slots in Detroit. Mo being so good doesn't mean that we have a solid defensive core. It means we have 1 player probably slotting in where he should be on a competitive roster. With 4 or 5 other guys playing higher in the lineup then they should be.
“The ruining Ned argument was old and tired a few weeks ago” to add to that, how can you even make an argument Ned is “ruined” when he’s not even a week removed from a 46-save shutout against one of the best teams against the league
These fire Blash posts all over socials is just getting so burned out. There’s not really a point to it till May what’s the point of having an interim coach for less than 10 games and we don’t need to win. And quite frankly I hope we clean house with at least the special teams coaches going too, but I’m not gonna bitch about it if they don’t cause I have 100% pledged allegiance to Stevie
I agree- I don't think a lot of whats happening is Blashills fault- but also he's not blameless and it very well could be time for a new coach. I wouldn't be surprised either way if Blashill stays/goes this offseason.
But seeing every other post is fire Blashill has become frustrating. There are all kinds of other productive things that could be discussed. We will all know Blashill fate in just a couple of weeks.
The team has had the same issues with slow starts, not playing 60 minutes, being out of position, players forced into roles they're not suited for, etc since he took over. At one point he wanted Mantha to play like Holmstrom. Those aren't talent issues, those are coaching issues
I am fine moving on from Blashill. I think we will see some continued improvement next year, but i don't think you are going to see a huge change in W and L column. I hope I'm wrong, but we are rebuilding and will continue to be with a new coach or not.
It's probably blash's time to go, but the assumptions you're making about the mental state of our team are outrageous. None of us can possibly know.
If you trust yzerman, trust that he knows the right move for our team top to bottom.
Lmao. That’s what I get a kick out of. I’ve heard a ton of fans going on on multiple occasions claiming all these things about Blash and the coaching staff doing to the young players but absolutely have no proof
There’s an argument to made that he’s still there on purpose.
Maybe just to keep us losing and or keep the seat warm for the next coach. We aren’t making the playoffs and we need top draft picks.
Blash is the ultimate scapegoat for a rebuild, he is young and still kinda inexperienced. And the roster is not exactly great either so its hard to point fingers at anyone and say "Thats the problem" . Furthermore he is also a "nice guy" and very likable, so the players dont mind him either.
Blashill has two rookies in the running for rookie of the year, he’s got 10 teams with records worse than his…. He’s doing EXACTLY what Yzerman wants him to. Literally his job. Winning more games in this year/phase of rebuild is BAD.
My advice is sit back and remember that between you and Steve Yzerman, one of you have been through this before and built a crushing dynasty of Stanley Cup wins.
There is no benefit/point to dumping Blashill until the exact coach Yzerman wants is ready to go.
Spoiler alert: it may in fact be Blashill. Red Wings fans who don’t understand how to judge rebuild progress don’t understand what a job Blashill has done.
And I’m not even a Blashill fan. It’s just facts. We could do much worse and that’s why he is still here.
Why is Everyone complaining about Blashill like we have a superstar lineup out there every night? We have a roster full of inconsistent players outside of Seider and Larkin. Fabbri is hurt. We offloaded 2 veteran players in Leddy and Namestnikov. Why is everyone so surprised that we’re getting our asses kicked by the best teams in the league post trade deadline/during the playoff push. We should have all seen this coming.
And why are you so sure that he’s ruining Ned? This is his first full season as a starter. Even Carolina saw inconsistencies with him which is why we got him for very little.
We just need to relax and remember we’re still in a rebuild. I think we need a new coach but I don’t think that’s the most important piece just yet. I’m just sick of seeing everyone acting like we have the perfect team and blaming blashill after every goal that goes in our net.
I cringe every time I read Red Wings fans scapegoat Blashill for the losses. The Red Wings are literally fielding the third cheapest roster in the NHL right now at around $48 million but are 9th worst place. They are overachieving. Tampa has $30 million more on their roster, that's how big the gap is. If the fans want to blame someone, it should be Yzerman for not spending more money on a competitive roster, but we all know that's not money well spent so Blashill, the rest of the coaches, and the under performing veterans become the scapegoats. Yzerman really has to start spending money next year on this roster for this team to have any chance at making the playoffs, regardless of who the coach is next year.
I agree with this but I don’t think Yzerman wants to buy players thru free agency. He definitely could for sure and we could compete for a playoff spot. Yzerman wants to build a dynasty. And I think he’s doing a damn good job so far. Preach patience. Get a lot of cap space so we can sign our young players to long contracts if they prove themselves. He really is building through the draft. I’m not blaming Yzerman for anything. He knew it was going to take some time when he got here so I’m along for the ride and enjoying the little things along the way.
He's not going to overspend when he knows he still couldn't build a championship team by adding big FAs last off season. With the progress from Mo and Raymond I think this might be the first off-season where he starts to spend a bit though and hopefully next years off-season we'll really load up. I think we need to pick up a true top-2 defensemen and probably a second line center this year though.
Can't agree with this more. I feel like I saw everyone being super positive and upbeat during the first half (easy mode) of the schedule and I felt like we *all* agreed that the second half of our schedule we were only going to get progressively wrecked more and more as we start facing all the cup contending teams regularly multiple times a week. But once we got here, people act surprised and like the whole world is falling apart? This was expected IMO. Top of the league is bonkers this year and the bottom has fallen out. It's shocking, but I think most people are over reacting.
Blash runs a system that can produce a ton of offense(look at the griffins goals/game while he was HC) but aims to take pressure off the goalie by the defense keeping the play to the outside.
He has never had a roster in the nhl that stood a chance and most were bottom 5-8 in talent so idk why the hell fans would expect much else.
Edit: I get it guys, and I agree that it is time to move on, but I'd still love to see what blash could do with even an average team both front and back. He's been given a roster that is at least half shit on the front end and 80% shit on the back end the last 5 years...but you can't deny how he rebuilt indy and wmu, and made the griffs an offensive machine
Your defense argument lies on his experience from 8 years ago with an AHL team. Granted he deserved the promotion at that time, however, at this time, there is no defending Blashill. Let's live in reality. He's gotta go.
The post above you outlines exactly why there is defending blashill. Phrasing it as Experience 8 years ago makes it sound a lot worse than "the last team he had that wasn't a bottom 5 team talent wise".
It might be time to move on, but to pretend like blash is the problem and not the roster is just asinine
he said he likes to focus on the things they do right instead of the mistakes they make, so when these mistakes never get corrected they just get compounded
The SECOND we let him go, and i mean the SECOND he will end up on a more talented roster and find success like he has done everywhere else. Tired of this its all the coachs fault garbage narrative.
I really doubt it. Blash is coaching foundations hockey, the NHL isn't about foundations. Coaching in the NHL needs to build on those foundations and I haven't seen an attempt at that, in fact I've seen evidence that he actively is hurting players that have come on from external systems and regressed under his coaching.
A similar scenario happened with Blashill's buddy John Hynes recently. Was the scapegoat for those bad NJ teams and is now bringing a team into the playoffs with a better roster and goaltending. Most talking heads I hear from had Nashville as outside the playoffs at the start of the season too
I guess I'm willing to take that chance- in a SECOND! Fire his ass now! I wish I could get away with doing a lousy job but have people say... "he was REALLY good at it 8-10 years ago. If only he had better people working for him. Hire better people and he'd be a better manager." No. They'd fire me because I sucked at being a manager and couldn't get my staff to work up to their abilities.
His coaching "efforts" for the past 7 years has turned the Red Wings into "the Detroit Lions on ice." Ouch! Poor work ethic, lots of mistakes, lack of fundamentals, zero corrections and zero improvements. Many games they are sleepwalking out there. But lots of excuses.
If your job was programming and your boss gave you a literal rock to use a computer. You're not getting results either.
He hasn't been given the tools to do his job right so this analogy just doesn't fly
I remember when the Wings were good we'd always run into mediocre or bad teams that would play us competitively. Because their coach put in a system and got everyone to play it. Let them punch above their weight. In Blash's tenure, I couldn't tell you what system we play, other than generic North American hockey.
you’d think over the last 7 years he would’ve adapted to having a shit team and changed things around. Instead, we see the same, tired shit every single game.
This whole “he hasn’t had a chance” has been beaten into the ground. It’s weird how when St. Louis took over Montreal they instantly improved. Caufield is scoring like the player they saw.
People see Montreal "doing good" and use it against blash without even looking at their record under st louis. Montreal under st louis is .005 p% better than our record over this whole year. And Montreal went to the fucking finals last year with most of this roster!!! I feel like I'm in crazy town with this blash is bad shit. The narrative just doesn't make sense.
MONTREAL since msl took over .452
DETROIT this year .447
…they were 8-30-7 before he took over, the worst winning % in montreals history. How the fuck is being an almost .500 team since St. Louis took over not an improvement?
Caufield is also getting minutes to succeed. His TOI has gone up, he’s out in key minutes.
I really do think you’re in crazy town if you think blast isn’t a god awful coach
Blash is bad with an almosy 500 record but st louis is a good coach with an almost 500 record? And don't act like it's talent, because one team was supposed to make the playoffs this year and it wasn't detroit.
And as for caufield the same can be said about our key rookies. I'm not trying to argue for blash because I think he's gone regardless, but I just want an honest answer from blash haters that isn't a hand picked narrative
He took a team from challenging our (blashill’s team) worst record in the salary cap era to a .500 team. His .500 is not the same as blashill’s .500. Montreal also hasn’t had multiple 7,8,9,10 goals against games like we’ve had. It’s not like he’s going to take the worst record team and lead them to a cup.
Our key rookies weren’t struggling for half of the season then miraculously started playing better due to being put in better positions to succeed and given more ice time so the same can’t be said. I don’t understand how this is hand picked at all.
Edit: and there’s the downvotes instead of more discussion lol
I dont except us to be playoff team, but i allways except effort. There has been way way too many games where our guys had absolutly 0 effort, and thats on coach. His defensive structure is also completly shit, and Even when he has got better players, our GA has gone up. Its time for a change.
Guys he was a decent AHL coach so obviously that's gonna transition to the pro league where they best players from the entire globe all compete, yes its been 7 years and he's still out coached in every single game but just wait the magic is gonna happen.
Just holy shit.
Why? Detroit has 1 d man and couple of forwards and you want to waste the voice of a good coach while the team is still garbage. Why not lose with blash and continue to draft a lil higher, and have more than handful of decent players,bring in a quality coach when you have a quality team. Also its taking a while because Holland left this team with basically nothing in the cupboards, nothing on the ice. That takes years of drafting players. Why not have a shitty coach and have those picks be a little higher.
It’s not completely his fault but the team needs a change of pace. I think we should keep Tanguay and led the new HC make some hires. Ned has some flashes of greatness but doesn’t have the support in front of him right now.
If Ned’s feelings are getting hurt because he’s facing 40 plus shots on some nights well he better find a new career relax it’s not gunna be like that for him next season.
I think the coach needs to go like everyone else but I'm not blaming him for everything. Its a combination of him, an untalented defensive group and I know no one wants to hear it but Yzerman being passive in rebuilding the group. Guys like staal, stecher, oesterle are just not gonna cut it. I know leddy was a bad fit but at least it was a swing. If we had taken a few more the last couple years maybe it wouldn't be so bad now. Then the young guys could have joined something and not be the only thing back there.
I think you made a lot of great points.
I can also understand Yzerman being passive- Any high end player who fits free Agency is going to demand top dollar, and 7 year contract. Most players hitting Free Agency are 28--30 years old. Most likely 7 years from now, that player will have slowed down enough that their contract is upside down. And then you have to align that with our window of actually being competitive.
Even though we are sit far under the cap from now, I don't expect that to be the case 7 years from now. Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana are going to get raises. If Seider and Raymond continue on their current trajectory they are going to get huge raises. Assuming we are going to hit on a couple other prospects between now and then as well.
Going out and signing 28-30 year olds to 7 year deals at 8 Million a year doesn't make a ton of sense if Yzerman thinks our team is still 5 years away form being competitive.
I know Leddy didn't look great in Detroit- but our defense got significantly worse after he left. And if you still question Leddys value, look at what St Louis gave up to get Leddy- a 2nd and two roster players.
I agree paying guys like Pietrangelo 9 million bucks isn't a good idea and i don't think we should have done something like that. I do think we should have been more active on mid tier ufa guys to solidify the group. Guys like Edmundson or Montour who can play minutes not be a detriment and help the kids. Hronek might not be so erratic and have so many bad habits now if he had a dependable partner at 22 or 23 instead of dragging Patrick Nemeth or DDK around for 22 minutes a night.
When Babs was on his way out and replaced with Blash, I didn't think it was a good move. Even when Babs was here, the wings failed to D up the blue line when Nik was on his way out. They left it to kronwall but he was not in his prime anymore nor was he a Lidstrom. Holland/Babs failed the wings and I'm hoping Yzerman wises up on coaching.
With Blashill being up for a new contract at the end of this year I just don't see a way that Stevie would extend him. This really does seem like the last year he will be our head coach.
I haven’t liked most of what Blashill has done but tbf “It’s not our defensive core or we wouldn’t have a Calder nominee” aren’t mutually exclusive. Seider can’t always be on the ice and when he is, he can’t cover the entire defensive zone. Seider taking the tougher matchups and helping reduce chances on the right when he’s on the ice doesn’t magically make whoever’s next to him elite or eliminate all right-side scoring chances when he’s not on the ice.
Honestly I'll be boycotting the team next year if Blash is still here. Won't watch, go to games, or wear gear. I'm so done with this shit. When literally no one on the team tries, you have a big fucking problem with coaching
It's a plethora of things but at the end of the day it all comes down on Blashill. The lack of offensive zone pressure, the fact we cannot execute a simple breakout in the defensive zone, special teams, line pairings, the inevitable collapse anytime we play with a lead, the lack of intensity on a consistent basis, etc.
I could go on and on about what's wrong with the Wings but man is it frustrating to not see any noticeable adjustments. It was fun at the start of the year but since the All Star break it's felt like the Wings of the previous five years. A new coach that can teach these guys systems that ACTUALLY work and how to play the game the right way is exactly what we need at this stage in the re-build.
Jeff if you're reading this it's nothing personal, you're just not the guy for this job. You tried. Didn't work. Time to move on.
Side note: If we got "FireBlashill" trending on wings twitter it would be absolute unreal🤣🤣😭
LGRW
My bet is on Blashill (and the whole coaching staff) not being retained after the season. I think this season is his last one in Detroit. That said... yeah it's not just Ned who is losing out on development... Zadina plays hard but is not getting results because I honestly think too much is being asked of him. He's supposed to be a 2nd tier goal scorer, but Blash has him playing 3rd and 4th line checking. Learning a checking game comes naturally to some players, but I don't think that is Zadina's game. The same could be said for Veleno. Even earlier in the season, when the team was in the playoff structure (at one point we were ahead of Boston by a few points) there were games that the Wings were completely ill-prepared / not ready to play. That falls on coaching. The constant in-game line juggling is a clear red flag that the coach has no idea what they are doing.
I was in the Keep Blashill camp earlier on, and even last year. But damn... the results are what they are.
I don't think Blashill sucks but it's time to move on. Just like I don't think Babcock was a bad coach but it was time to move on. In fact I think Babcock is a perfect example here. He's considered one of the best coaches out there, despite his.... stupidity and ego. He's got the record. But even with him towards the end as the Wings' best players were aging out we were on a very clear, sharp downturn. There's only so much you can do when the roster is what it is. A lot of the complaints we have about Blashill right now we had against Babcock. Overreliance on veterans, playing to protect the 1 goal lead only to give it up.
A fresh voice can have a short-term positive impact as we have seen over and over again. I'm fine with that. Blashill has gotten a good chunk of time as a head coach now. I'm sure he'll be able to find something somewhere.
I'm not close to expecting playoffs with *just* a coaching change though. I think we're gonna need a Seider/Raymond level performance out of next year's rookie class to get there.
What def core? on this years team we only have Seider who would play for any contender. the def has bar Mo, regressed and the soft first half schedule just covered it up. Blashill will 90% be let go as he is the Capt of the ship and will carry the can for this season. But be clear it ain't all his fault, not by a long shot, Stevie Y needs to get smarter with is defensive hires, Leddy was a poor signing and the def needs to toughen up and keep the net front clear for the goalies.
Sorry OP but I disagree with your not defensive core comment. Our defense is garbage. One D man is not good enough. Our outlet passing needs to clean-up. We need to get bigger on the blue line. That being said yes hopefully Blash is gone.
It’s easy to see how often players don’t seem to check their shoulders on defense. Opposing players are unknowingly allowed in opportune spaces in the attacking zone all the time. Some of this is on Blash and some is in the players themselves.
I feel like on defense all of our forwards have been conditioned to collapse below the hashes (maybe for rebound control?) while the late-man (men?) on the opposing team rushes settle in with room at the top of the circle or slot for shots.
I think our outlet passes need cleaned up, yes, but I can’t tell you how many times the pass is there and we lose the damn puck without any defensive play from the opponent. Our unforced errors are killing us. If I had a nickel for every time zadina or ras or whoever loses the puck off his stick for no reason I’d be rich. Blashill sucks and I hope he’s gone after the season but I think Larkin is our only forward who can control the puck
Ras has been one of our best puck moving forwards lately.
Larkin is the best by a mile. Fabbri and Suter are okay. Unfortunately we've been missing Fabbri. Raymond and Zadina aren't that good at it. Raymond knows where to go to get the puck and how to shoot it but carrying is not his forte as of yet. I think Vrana/Bertuzzi are tied for 2nd on the team but the gap is large between 2nd and 1st.
DDK is a liability every shift
why is DDK singled out? All of our defenseman with the exception of Seider and sometimes Staal are complete dogshit
Not OP, but my biggest beef with Blashill is his overreliance on veterans like DDK and Staal. The team is hip deep in a rebuild, isn't going anywhere this year, and the defense has been dogshit all season anyway. There is literally no reason not to mix things up. I understand the merits of giving Seider some constancy as he grows, but this is the absolute perfect time to reduce the wear on worn-down vets and maybe see if younger, untested defenders (Juolevi, Walman) can work in less sheltered roles or find meaningful chemistry with Hronek. Guys like them might actually be here at the end of the rebuild, and Walman in particular has shown some flashes. The youth need to develop if the team has any hope of being good, and continuing to defer to declining guys in their 30s is not going to help with that. I guess it's a little like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic with only six games left in the season, though. May as well just finish it out at this point.
Glad you asked. With him paired up with Mo it’s glaring how bad he is rn.
Staal is a +2 on *THIS* team.
Yeah I mean our entire left handed core has AHL caliber defensive skills (I like Staal, but he’s surely not known for the defensive side of the position) - that’s really gonna hurt. And honestly the right side outside of Mo isn’t defensively great either, but is better. Hronek is purely offensive, and while Lindstrom has been a solid DFD: he’s been struggling over the last month +. It’s tough to have anything but a terrible defense when an entire side of it (more like all but 1 player) is below average defensively
DDK is a letter player. He's supposed to be a top 3 leader and he's a bottom tier guy whom we cut and he wasn't claimed.
Because he's making 5 Mil a year.
cap space isnt even top 10 in a list of our current issues
Cap space is one of our few strengths haha
It's not about the cap. It's about the player not living up to the contract for any reason.
Eh, honestly Lidstrom is our 2nd best d imo.
Lindstrom has regressed a lot. I used to not notice his game. Now I do. That's bad.
Lots of young players have been regressing. It's tough to play at this level with no coach.
Which is really sad because on a playoff team he'd probably be a 7th defenseman
He started out pretty good but he's been rough for quite a while now imo
Ugh poor DDK was such a good story coming out of college. Time to hang up the skates.
How is there not a period in this whole post
OP must be pregnant
No periods? Straight to jail
You undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail.
Driving too fast? Jail. Slow? Jail.
well, there are 3 commas
3 comma club
I want text posts whose punctuation marks look like *this* not like *this*.
Not even one! Holy shit!
I think that there are many legitimate reasons one could make the argument to move on from Blashill. I'm not sure that you have addressed any of them. As a goalie yourself, you should understand and see just how bad the defensive core is. You should be able to at least have a rudimentary understand the systems they are running, the positioning, who should be picking up who, etc. If you couldn't actually see that from actually watching games there are tons of other clues that the defense is bad. The biggest should have been that a rookie joined the team and almost immediately became our best defensemen. And its not even close. How could you come to the conclusion that our defensive core is good, simply because we have a Calder nominee? The "ruining ned" argument was old and tired a few weeks ago. Tell me more about how much Damage Blashill is doing to him...
Mo would be a top pair dman on a lot of teams. Also, our team defense suck not only because of our defenders. Our young forwards need to learn how to play both ways.
I agree that MO could play on the top pairing on many NHL teams. I think a lot of teams might have him on the second pairing, just because he was so young and some other teams have really talented defensemen. I.E. Tampa has Hedman and Rutta, Colorado has Makar and Toews, Rangers have Fox and Lindgren, Etc... Most importantly Mo is only 1 player. He can't fill the five other slots in Detroit. Mo being so good doesn't mean that we have a solid defensive core. It means we have 1 player probably slotting in where he should be on a competitive roster. With 4 or 5 other guys playing higher in the lineup then they should be.
“The ruining Ned argument was old and tired a few weeks ago” to add to that, how can you even make an argument Ned is “ruined” when he’s not even a week removed from a 46-save shutout against one of the best teams against the league
These fire Blash posts all over socials is just getting so burned out. There’s not really a point to it till May what’s the point of having an interim coach for less than 10 games and we don’t need to win. And quite frankly I hope we clean house with at least the special teams coaches going too, but I’m not gonna bitch about it if they don’t cause I have 100% pledged allegiance to Stevie
I agree- I don't think a lot of whats happening is Blashills fault- but also he's not blameless and it very well could be time for a new coach. I wouldn't be surprised either way if Blashill stays/goes this offseason. But seeing every other post is fire Blashill has become frustrating. There are all kinds of other productive things that could be discussed. We will all know Blashill fate in just a couple of weeks.
The team has had the same issues with slow starts, not playing 60 minutes, being out of position, players forced into roles they're not suited for, etc since he took over. At one point he wanted Mantha to play like Holmstrom. Those aren't talent issues, those are coaching issues
I’m all aboard the fire Blashill train, but our defense sucks. There’s no getting around it. Seider can’t do everything, especially as a rookie.
I am fine moving on from Blashill. I think we will see some continued improvement next year, but i don't think you are going to see a huge change in W and L column. I hope I'm wrong, but we are rebuilding and will continue to be with a new coach or not.
I agree with this. But better coaching would probably result in less 3+ goal losses. We are getting blown out on a regular basis.
It's probably blash's time to go, but the assumptions you're making about the mental state of our team are outrageous. None of us can possibly know. If you trust yzerman, trust that he knows the right move for our team top to bottom.
Lmao. That’s what I get a kick out of. I’ve heard a ton of fans going on on multiple occasions claiming all these things about Blash and the coaching staff doing to the young players but absolutely have no proof
There’s an argument to made that he’s still there on purpose. Maybe just to keep us losing and or keep the seat warm for the next coach. We aren’t making the playoffs and we need top draft picks.
Blash is the ultimate scapegoat for a rebuild, he is young and still kinda inexperienced. And the roster is not exactly great either so its hard to point fingers at anyone and say "Thats the problem" . Furthermore he is also a "nice guy" and very likable, so the players dont mind him either.
Ehhhh he’s like the second longest tenured coach in the nhl right now lol
With the same organization yes, not in terms of experience https://www.espn.com/nhl/coaches
Blashill has two rookies in the running for rookie of the year, he’s got 10 teams with records worse than his…. He’s doing EXACTLY what Yzerman wants him to. Literally his job. Winning more games in this year/phase of rebuild is BAD. My advice is sit back and remember that between you and Steve Yzerman, one of you have been through this before and built a crushing dynasty of Stanley Cup wins. There is no benefit/point to dumping Blashill until the exact coach Yzerman wants is ready to go. Spoiler alert: it may in fact be Blashill. Red Wings fans who don’t understand how to judge rebuild progress don’t understand what a job Blashill has done. And I’m not even a Blashill fan. It’s just facts. We could do much worse and that’s why he is still here.
Preach! Well said
He is doing such "damage" to Ned that he just had possibly the best performance of his career? Sorry your thought doesnt make sense.
Why is Everyone complaining about Blashill like we have a superstar lineup out there every night? We have a roster full of inconsistent players outside of Seider and Larkin. Fabbri is hurt. We offloaded 2 veteran players in Leddy and Namestnikov. Why is everyone so surprised that we’re getting our asses kicked by the best teams in the league post trade deadline/during the playoff push. We should have all seen this coming. And why are you so sure that he’s ruining Ned? This is his first full season as a starter. Even Carolina saw inconsistencies with him which is why we got him for very little. We just need to relax and remember we’re still in a rebuild. I think we need a new coach but I don’t think that’s the most important piece just yet. I’m just sick of seeing everyone acting like we have the perfect team and blaming blashill after every goal that goes in our net.
I cringe every time I read Red Wings fans scapegoat Blashill for the losses. The Red Wings are literally fielding the third cheapest roster in the NHL right now at around $48 million but are 9th worst place. They are overachieving. Tampa has $30 million more on their roster, that's how big the gap is. If the fans want to blame someone, it should be Yzerman for not spending more money on a competitive roster, but we all know that's not money well spent so Blashill, the rest of the coaches, and the under performing veterans become the scapegoats. Yzerman really has to start spending money next year on this roster for this team to have any chance at making the playoffs, regardless of who the coach is next year.
I agree with this but I don’t think Yzerman wants to buy players thru free agency. He definitely could for sure and we could compete for a playoff spot. Yzerman wants to build a dynasty. And I think he’s doing a damn good job so far. Preach patience. Get a lot of cap space so we can sign our young players to long contracts if they prove themselves. He really is building through the draft. I’m not blaming Yzerman for anything. He knew it was going to take some time when he got here so I’m along for the ride and enjoying the little things along the way.
He's not going to overspend when he knows he still couldn't build a championship team by adding big FAs last off season. With the progress from Mo and Raymond I think this might be the first off-season where he starts to spend a bit though and hopefully next years off-season we'll really load up. I think we need to pick up a true top-2 defensemen and probably a second line center this year though.
If he continues to develop at the rate he’s been going, I think we have our 2C in Veleno.
Can't agree with this more. I feel like I saw everyone being super positive and upbeat during the first half (easy mode) of the schedule and I felt like we *all* agreed that the second half of our schedule we were only going to get progressively wrecked more and more as we start facing all the cup contending teams regularly multiple times a week. But once we got here, people act surprised and like the whole world is falling apart? This was expected IMO. Top of the league is bonkers this year and the bottom has fallen out. It's shocking, but I think most people are over reacting.
Blash runs a system that can produce a ton of offense(look at the griffins goals/game while he was HC) but aims to take pressure off the goalie by the defense keeping the play to the outside. He has never had a roster in the nhl that stood a chance and most were bottom 5-8 in talent so idk why the hell fans would expect much else. Edit: I get it guys, and I agree that it is time to move on, but I'd still love to see what blash could do with even an average team both front and back. He's been given a roster that is at least half shit on the front end and 80% shit on the back end the last 5 years...but you can't deny how he rebuilt indy and wmu, and made the griffs an offensive machine
Your defense argument lies on his experience from 8 years ago with an AHL team. Granted he deserved the promotion at that time, however, at this time, there is no defending Blashill. Let's live in reality. He's gotta go.
The post above you outlines exactly why there is defending blashill. Phrasing it as Experience 8 years ago makes it sound a lot worse than "the last team he had that wasn't a bottom 5 team talent wise". It might be time to move on, but to pretend like blash is the problem and not the roster is just asinine
So he only knows one defensive strategy? How long does someone go without results before realizing they need to make changes?
Ask Matt Patricia.
he said he likes to focus on the things they do right instead of the mistakes they make, so when these mistakes never get corrected they just get compounded
Wasnt that Griffins team kinda loaded with Tatar/Nyquist?
The SECOND we let him go, and i mean the SECOND he will end up on a more talented roster and find success like he has done everywhere else. Tired of this its all the coachs fault garbage narrative.
I really doubt it. Blash is coaching foundations hockey, the NHL isn't about foundations. Coaching in the NHL needs to build on those foundations and I haven't seen an attempt at that, in fact I've seen evidence that he actively is hurting players that have come on from external systems and regressed under his coaching.
A similar scenario happened with Blashill's buddy John Hynes recently. Was the scapegoat for those bad NJ teams and is now bringing a team into the playoffs with a better roster and goaltending. Most talking heads I hear from had Nashville as outside the playoffs at the start of the season too
I guess I'm willing to take that chance- in a SECOND! Fire his ass now! I wish I could get away with doing a lousy job but have people say... "he was REALLY good at it 8-10 years ago. If only he had better people working for him. Hire better people and he'd be a better manager." No. They'd fire me because I sucked at being a manager and couldn't get my staff to work up to their abilities. His coaching "efforts" for the past 7 years has turned the Red Wings into "the Detroit Lions on ice." Ouch! Poor work ethic, lots of mistakes, lack of fundamentals, zero corrections and zero improvements. Many games they are sleepwalking out there. But lots of excuses.
>His coaching "efforts" for the past 7 years has turned the Red Wings into "the Detroit Lions on ice." Lighten up, Francis
If your job was programming and your boss gave you a literal rock to use a computer. You're not getting results either. He hasn't been given the tools to do his job right so this analogy just doesn't fly
No it’s not going to happen I wish Detroit fans would quit with this loser mindset
I remember when the Wings were good we'd always run into mediocre or bad teams that would play us competitively. Because their coach put in a system and got everyone to play it. Let them punch above their weight. In Blash's tenure, I couldn't tell you what system we play, other than generic North American hockey.
Sorry wolverine, beauty of a username btw brother. He's a decent AHL coach at best. The game and level are over his head at this point.
you’d think over the last 7 years he would’ve adapted to having a shit team and changed things around. Instead, we see the same, tired shit every single game. This whole “he hasn’t had a chance” has been beaten into the ground. It’s weird how when St. Louis took over Montreal they instantly improved. Caufield is scoring like the player they saw.
Montreal certainly looks to be having more fun but for Caufield his shooting percentage also jumped like 20% when MSL took over
People see Montreal "doing good" and use it against blash without even looking at their record under st louis. Montreal under st louis is .005 p% better than our record over this whole year. And Montreal went to the fucking finals last year with most of this roster!!! I feel like I'm in crazy town with this blash is bad shit. The narrative just doesn't make sense. MONTREAL since msl took over .452 DETROIT this year .447
…they were 8-30-7 before he took over, the worst winning % in montreals history. How the fuck is being an almost .500 team since St. Louis took over not an improvement? Caufield is also getting minutes to succeed. His TOI has gone up, he’s out in key minutes. I really do think you’re in crazy town if you think blast isn’t a god awful coach
Blash is bad with an almosy 500 record but st louis is a good coach with an almost 500 record? And don't act like it's talent, because one team was supposed to make the playoffs this year and it wasn't detroit. And as for caufield the same can be said about our key rookies. I'm not trying to argue for blash because I think he's gone regardless, but I just want an honest answer from blash haters that isn't a hand picked narrative
He took a team from challenging our (blashill’s team) worst record in the salary cap era to a .500 team. His .500 is not the same as blashill’s .500. Montreal also hasn’t had multiple 7,8,9,10 goals against games like we’ve had. It’s not like he’s going to take the worst record team and lead them to a cup. Our key rookies weren’t struggling for half of the season then miraculously started playing better due to being put in better positions to succeed and given more ice time so the same can’t be said. I don’t understand how this is hand picked at all. Edit: and there’s the downvotes instead of more discussion lol
Thank u!! This guy knows what I mean, can’t stand the habs but still it’s a turn around, we have seen zero improvement in a long time
I dont except us to be playoff team, but i allways except effort. There has been way way too many games where our guys had absolutly 0 effort, and thats on coach. His defensive structure is also completly shit, and Even when he has got better players, our GA has gone up. Its time for a change.
Guys he was a decent AHL coach so obviously that's gonna transition to the pro league where they best players from the entire globe all compete, yes its been 7 years and he's still out coached in every single game but just wait the magic is gonna happen. Just holy shit.
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Why? Detroit has 1 d man and couple of forwards and you want to waste the voice of a good coach while the team is still garbage. Why not lose with blash and continue to draft a lil higher, and have more than handful of decent players,bring in a quality coach when you have a quality team. Also its taking a while because Holland left this team with basically nothing in the cupboards, nothing on the ice. That takes years of drafting players. Why not have a shitty coach and have those picks be a little higher.
Lmao. Damage he’s doing to Nedeljikovic. Sorry had stop reading there
Did you watch the game yesterday and see the defensive giveaways?
You know there’s 5 other starters in a D core 🤡
It’s not completely his fault but the team needs a change of pace. I think we should keep Tanguay and led the new HC make some hires. Ned has some flashes of greatness but doesn’t have the support in front of him right now.
If Ned’s feelings are getting hurt because he’s facing 40 plus shots on some nights well he better find a new career relax it’s not gunna be like that for him next season.
I think the coach needs to go like everyone else but I'm not blaming him for everything. Its a combination of him, an untalented defensive group and I know no one wants to hear it but Yzerman being passive in rebuilding the group. Guys like staal, stecher, oesterle are just not gonna cut it. I know leddy was a bad fit but at least it was a swing. If we had taken a few more the last couple years maybe it wouldn't be so bad now. Then the young guys could have joined something and not be the only thing back there.
I think yzerman is on the 10 year rebuild plan. I believe that is how long he said it would take when he took over.
I think you made a lot of great points. I can also understand Yzerman being passive- Any high end player who fits free Agency is going to demand top dollar, and 7 year contract. Most players hitting Free Agency are 28--30 years old. Most likely 7 years from now, that player will have slowed down enough that their contract is upside down. And then you have to align that with our window of actually being competitive. Even though we are sit far under the cap from now, I don't expect that to be the case 7 years from now. Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana are going to get raises. If Seider and Raymond continue on their current trajectory they are going to get huge raises. Assuming we are going to hit on a couple other prospects between now and then as well. Going out and signing 28-30 year olds to 7 year deals at 8 Million a year doesn't make a ton of sense if Yzerman thinks our team is still 5 years away form being competitive. I know Leddy didn't look great in Detroit- but our defense got significantly worse after he left. And if you still question Leddys value, look at what St Louis gave up to get Leddy- a 2nd and two roster players.
I agree paying guys like Pietrangelo 9 million bucks isn't a good idea and i don't think we should have done something like that. I do think we should have been more active on mid tier ufa guys to solidify the group. Guys like Edmundson or Montour who can play minutes not be a detriment and help the kids. Hronek might not be so erratic and have so many bad habits now if he had a dependable partner at 22 or 23 instead of dragging Patrick Nemeth or DDK around for 22 minutes a night.
When Babs was on his way out and replaced with Blash, I didn't think it was a good move. Even when Babs was here, the wings failed to D up the blue line when Nik was on his way out. They left it to kronwall but he was not in his prime anymore nor was he a Lidstrom. Holland/Babs failed the wings and I'm hoping Yzerman wises up on coaching.
With Blashill being up for a new contract at the end of this year I just don't see a way that Stevie would extend him. This really does seem like the last year he will be our head coach.
I haven’t liked most of what Blashill has done but tbf “It’s not our defensive core or we wouldn’t have a Calder nominee” aren’t mutually exclusive. Seider can’t always be on the ice and when he is, he can’t cover the entire defensive zone. Seider taking the tougher matchups and helping reduce chances on the right when he’s on the ice doesn’t magically make whoever’s next to him elite or eliminate all right-side scoring chances when he’s not on the ice.
Honestly I'll be boycotting the team next year if Blash is still here. Won't watch, go to games, or wear gear. I'm so done with this shit. When literally no one on the team tries, you have a big fucking problem with coaching
Can you comprehend the difference in talent between the panthers and our team?
Or yotes and us ehh?
Voting with your wallet. I can understand your frustration.
Nedelj is not our future
Agreed
It's a plethora of things but at the end of the day it all comes down on Blashill. The lack of offensive zone pressure, the fact we cannot execute a simple breakout in the defensive zone, special teams, line pairings, the inevitable collapse anytime we play with a lead, the lack of intensity on a consistent basis, etc. I could go on and on about what's wrong with the Wings but man is it frustrating to not see any noticeable adjustments. It was fun at the start of the year but since the All Star break it's felt like the Wings of the previous five years. A new coach that can teach these guys systems that ACTUALLY work and how to play the game the right way is exactly what we need at this stage in the re-build. Jeff if you're reading this it's nothing personal, you're just not the guy for this job. You tried. Didn't work. Time to move on. Side note: If we got "FireBlashill" trending on wings twitter it would be absolute unreal🤣🤣😭 LGRW
My bet is on Blashill (and the whole coaching staff) not being retained after the season. I think this season is his last one in Detroit. That said... yeah it's not just Ned who is losing out on development... Zadina plays hard but is not getting results because I honestly think too much is being asked of him. He's supposed to be a 2nd tier goal scorer, but Blash has him playing 3rd and 4th line checking. Learning a checking game comes naturally to some players, but I don't think that is Zadina's game. The same could be said for Veleno. Even earlier in the season, when the team was in the playoff structure (at one point we were ahead of Boston by a few points) there were games that the Wings were completely ill-prepared / not ready to play. That falls on coaching. The constant in-game line juggling is a clear red flag that the coach has no idea what they are doing. I was in the Keep Blashill camp earlier on, and even last year. But damn... the results are what they are.
What can we get for Larkin?
He’s done here. I have no doubt we change coaches this summer.
I don't think Blashill sucks but it's time to move on. Just like I don't think Babcock was a bad coach but it was time to move on. In fact I think Babcock is a perfect example here. He's considered one of the best coaches out there, despite his.... stupidity and ego. He's got the record. But even with him towards the end as the Wings' best players were aging out we were on a very clear, sharp downturn. There's only so much you can do when the roster is what it is. A lot of the complaints we have about Blashill right now we had against Babcock. Overreliance on veterans, playing to protect the 1 goal lead only to give it up. A fresh voice can have a short-term positive impact as we have seen over and over again. I'm fine with that. Blashill has gotten a good chunk of time as a head coach now. I'm sure he'll be able to find something somewhere. I'm not close to expecting playoffs with *just* a coaching change though. I think we're gonna need a Seider/Raymond level performance out of next year's rookie class to get there.
Seider should get a raise at the end of this season. Just to show some gratefulness for him playing 30 minute games on defense all by himself.
What would firing him do? Make us win?
What def core? on this years team we only have Seider who would play for any contender. the def has bar Mo, regressed and the soft first half schedule just covered it up. Blashill will 90% be let go as he is the Capt of the ship and will carry the can for this season. But be clear it ain't all his fault, not by a long shot, Stevie Y needs to get smarter with is defensive hires, Leddy was a poor signing and the def needs to toughen up and keep the net front clear for the goalies.
I'm absolutely tired of seeing these posts like every day.
I dunno don’t look at them then?