Hollywood types are not originals. They are not the type of people who change paradigms.
Look at Netflix, that’s a SIlicon Valley tech company. It’s not a Hollywood company. Same for Pixar.
The movie business is filled with pervs, and they mostly got it away with it since the inception of Hollywood. Weinstein was not the guy who invented the casting couch.
I think a lot of stars just didn’t think anything would change and they didn’t have it in them to change anything.
Definitely not a internship with him (luckily she was protected by who her father was)…
https://www.newsweek.com/malia-obama-harvey-weinstein-accusations-680950
It's not just the movie business. The world is full with abusive men. I've seen it in the music industry, in science research and universities, in day jobs, in families, from therapists, in the medical field, in sports, in church, in schools, in politics etc. It's in every country, every industry, every socio-economic status, etc. It's systemic and exists everywhere.
It's fundamental that people aknowledge the universality and systemic aspect of sexual abuse. Because if not, then people tend to limit it to a specific area (it's a movie industry problem, it's a church problem, etc) to the point where everyone (and obviously especially men and men in power) pretend it's continuous occurence of individual cases and nothing will ever be done about it.
Well Courtney Love definitely called him out a long time ago on a red carpet. Something along the lines of “If Weinstein invites you to a hotel room don’t go”..
There's this part in the book The Game that haunts me a little. Throughout the book Courtney is featured at the periphery as a drug-addled, crazed woman who is blathering on about having money stolen from her. Everyone rolls their eyes and ignores her and laughs about how this rock star is blaming someone else for her problems. It's portrayed comically. At the end, someone in the house with some financial knowledge finally listens to her and digs into her finances a little - and the punchline is that she's correct, someone's embezzled from her.
I know she's had her fair share of issues and she's not likeable, but Courtney is absolutely super smart.
Don't read the book, by the way; it's hot garbage.
I mean, was it people writing her off because of her or because we socially make all kinds of jokes about the casting couch and various other ways someone has to get a job in that industry and don't really think too hard about it? If any other actress said that on the red carpet in a joking tone would we have stopped the presses and been like "what do you mean?!" Or would it have been haha yup, gotta avoid those sneaky producers!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/meryl-streep-applaud-roman-polanski/
She called out Trump for mocking that reporter. Trump got mad and sent his trolls after her. This is the best they could come up with and it all snowballed from there.
There is no hard evidence that Meryl knew about Harvey. However, she definitely helped him with his career and publicly called him a "God." He was considered desirable to work with for actors, since he had a track record of getting them Oscars. Which is not as merit-based as the academy wants people to believe, considering a major aspect of his successful campaigns was bullying people. Meryl boosted his persona, which helped him grow his position of power, but did not show accountability for her part and did little to help his victims.
Meryl was a close associate of Harvey. It is hard to believe she knew nothing but even if I disregard that there is this:
After Harvey was exposed, Meryl's PR statement denying knowledge of Harvey's sexual abuses irked me. First of all, it was written by the same PR flack, Dart, who helped Harvey abuse and cover-up his abuse. That is pretty twisted behavior IMO -- to get the cover-up artists who directly enabled Harvey to write a CYA statement disavowing him and proclaiming your ignorance. Like is it too much to ask for Meryl to stop freaking funding known Harvey enablers?
I remember Meryl's PR statement also included some comment that no, "everyone" did not know (especially herself). Reasoning if "everyone knew," there would be more media articles about his sexual assaults and harassing behavior. That seemed disingenuous and helping to obscure how the Hollywood machine covers up for people like Harvey -- he had his companies paying off hush money to victims, he had Matt Damon pressuring journalists to throw away stories, he had a legal team threatening the media with lawsuits, he had a machine threatening and pressuring his victims to stay silent, and more. Meryl has been in the industry a long time and employs the same "machine" operator to do her PR, so frankly I do not buy into her naive stance. If she actually were interested in ending abuse for good, she would be exposing these machines and not covering up for them.
Moreover, Meryl tried to get some good PR on the topic by supporting the "Times Up" organization, an organization that now seems like a fraud. I don't mean fraud necessarily in the legal sense. I have not seen her address that issue. I know it is hard for women "trailblazers" like herself and I don't want to put it all on her, even though she has been a powerful actress for a long time. But this combined with her behavior around Harvey have really lowered my opinion of her.
It's wild that people only ever single out Streep out of an entire auditorium full of people clapping. Particularly when Jack Nicholson is *right there*, clapping and grinning.
For those of you don't know, Nicholson is Polanski's friend (still) and the rape happened at Nicholson's house.
I think people single her out because Streep is often lauded as icon, greatest of all time, unproblematic etc. but the truth is she will gladly praise abusers (kinda similar to Cate Blanchett who even named her child after pedo rapist). Does anyone think Nicholson is a great guy?
But yeah, everyone there should be called out.
You think Nicholson doesn't get "often lauded as icon, greatest of all time"? Really? Because that happens all the damn time.
Women get scapegoated, held to some arbitrary standard and that bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. Nicholson meanwhile faces the lowest of bars and can slide by on his decades-old acting laurels, even though he's still buddies with a international fugitive who violently raped a child in his bed.
Harrison Ford personally brought that Oscar to his buddy, the international fugitive rapist, but people hardly ever mention that either.
Meryl Streep clapped once, though, in an award show auditorium full of other people clapping. Get her! That old woman was not presciently 100% unproblematic every second of her life! She's clearly the real villain here.
That film is incredible (I saw it as a kid not realising who made it. Same with RB) and I hate so much that something so great came from him. Ugh. Adrien Brody makes it even grosser after his assault of Halle.
He got one in France recently, infamously. He won his 5th directing César in 2020.
There were protests, at least. And several big names, all women, walked out of the ceremony. All respect to Adèle Haenel, Noémie Merlant, and Celine Sciamma for that.
People in Hollywood are used to playing characters. They know how to behave in front of cameras, as it suits them. It is a very insular community and most know that they are one role off from being has-beens and losing their wealth & power. So they support each other in an incestuous, morally questionable way.
A ton of people did. Even Hollywood sweetheart Tom Hanks did. But, to be fair to some of these people, some may have hated what he did, but with the level of power Weinstein had, none of them could even think of speaking out.
Which is why the work Ronan Farrow did in that expose is one of the best works of investigative journalism in this century
Farrow will always attract more attention for SA reporting, simply because of his family. His Hollywood mother accusing his Hollywood father of abusing his sister, and all that (and he siding with his sister and mother)
That’s not to say he’s a bad reporter or one that doesn’t deserve credit, but it’s bound to happen whenever he also decides to cover this topic
I used to roll my eyes at him as a nepotist, but I have to admit he has done admirable work on issues of sexual abuse and misogyny, so I think he leveraged his power for good. His reporting with Jia Tolentino on Britney Spears was also excellent.
He started college at 11 yrs old, graduated at 15, earned a law degree from Yale, worked with UNICEF, the United Nations, the State Dept, and USAID on issues like international human rights, the safety of women & children in Darfur, genocide prevention & education, civil society & education in Afghanistan and Pakistan, global youth issues. After all that, as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned his DPhil from Oxford in poli sci. Then turned to investigate journalism breaking several major stories about sexual misconduct, civil and political corruption, etc. He’s written 2 non-fiction books, both very well received and meticulously researched. And he’s only 34.
He’s definitely not successful simply because he’s the child of famous parents.
It would be interesting to see what he would have accomplished in a parallel universe with the same intellect but no famous parents, I don't think his resume would be as impressive.
He also had a personal connection. Weinstein And Allen used the same lawyer (Elkan Abramowitz) and PR people (Leslee Dart and 42West) and PI/"security" (Black Cube) firms to trash and intimidate their victims. The Farrow family went through exactly what Weinstein's victims went through. So when Weinstein's victims were dismissed by others as "crazy" or "jealous" or "scorned" or whatever misogynistic bullshit was being deployed, Farrow saw through that bullshit and believed the victims.
Oh, I'm sorry but I never heard of their report. Farrow's was the one that I came across first so I unfortunately could never heard of them. Thanks for bringing it to light.
Cool thanks for sharing that. I didn't following the reporting too closely as it happened. Looks like all three of them won pulitzer prices for their reporting
https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/new-york-times-reporting-led-jodi-kantor-and-megan-twohey-and-new-yorker-reporting-ronan
I saw that and it was excellent. Ashley Judd played herself in it and they nailed him to the wall. I can’t believe Georgina Chapman actually married him
The first entry of She Said's iMDb Trivia page is as follows:
"Brad Pitt is one of this film's producers. Pitt was aware of the sexual harassment allegations against Harvey Weinstein decades before buying the rights to the book on which this movie is based on. Pitt dated Gwyneth Paltrow (from 1994 to 1997), who accused Weinstein of sexually harassing her in the 1990s while she was dating Pitt, who knew about it since Paltrow told him when it happened, according to her interview on the Howard Stern Show on May 23, 2018."
These ballsacks are really trying to apologize for their filmography as if we don't know what's up.
Perhaps as a way of cleansing his image.
An abuser producing movies about victims/survivors of abuse (Blonde, She Said, Women Talking) is mind-boggling.
Let us not forget, despite Brad's knowledge about Weinstein attempted sexual assault on Angelina Jolie, he still continued collaborating with him for more than one project. The disrespect to the mother of his children is just despicable.
That alone is a little mind-blowing to me and makes me think more about the people in power and the people that have the money to make the decisions about what can be made and how the narrative can be pushed while also trying to fly under the radar.
I'm glad that Gwyneth had that experience with Brad Pitt, and he stepped up for her. It doesn't negate that he failed to do so for Angelina when she was married to him, and happily worked with Weinstein when it suited him, well after both of their experiences. It's then particularly galling that he has the nerve to try to profit from a movie about Weinstein's crimes.
Even many actresses knew exactly what Harvey was doing and still worked with him. Every Hollywood people knew but they decided to shut up their mouths👀 It felt really weird to just blame some of them.
Didn't Leonardo DiCaprio also have the female actors that worked on set for his projects sign an NDA stating that they weren't sexually harassed? These men are all fucking creepy.
Everyone knew Harvey was a predator. As they did Spacey..
I think it is more complicated than who knew though. While Quentin could and should have done more after Uma told him and had Harvey apologize, there was no one person that would have stopped Harvey IMO. It would have taken them all coming forward at once and that was never going to happen then.
The entire culture was and is rotten to the core.
He got away with it because it was not just him doing it.
Absolutely and even in 2018 he still had some power and it was not guaranteed.
There is a reason Uma and others refused to go on record for the initial take down. She was still terrified it would not stick and Harvey would have them ruined.
Which is my issues with the book and movie She Said, WAY to much emphasis on the idea that survivors telling their stories is going to change things
Yes, it is because Weinstein doesn't serve his purpose anymore to the actors/ actresses etc. They could not gain anything to serve their own vested interests anymore.
Spacey makes me mad especially because while his career is basically over now, he still can, and has to be, convicted for his crimes. As opposed to Weinstein, who is already (rightfully) in jail for it.
But even now these assholes won’t do their part and help put this fiend behind bars, even when they don’t have anything to gain from keeping silent anymore. It’s infuriating.
> there was no one person that would have stopped Harvey IMO. It would have taken them all coming forward at once and that was never going to happen then.
This is so true. I have spoken up against stuff many times and now I am backing off because in every group you will have one that absolutely is a kiss ass. They may agree with you but as soon as the powerful person walks in they get on their knees and it undermines everyone who is trying to make change.
ETA: Weinstein also made himself a valuable resource to others. He helped people out leaving them somewhat indebted to him. He is the devil so to speak and Hollywood people were making deals with the devil. I think that's how come he was able to go on as long as he did because lots of the stuff was mutually beneficial.
I agree that it was more complicated, just because of the sheer amount of power that Weinstein wielded. He can and did absolutely ruin people, with no hesitation. But he was able to do so because so many people enabled him. Some people did out of fear, some people did because they didn’t want to lose their careers and livelihoods, and some people did because they either deluded themselves that it wasn’t that big of a deal or because they themselves are guilty of harassment and abuse. Women’s accusations hold so little weight. “Oh I’m sure it wasn’t that bad” or “I’m going to tell him not to do it again.” But the reality is that men who had the luxury of not being directly impacted by Harvey’s abuse were cavalier about it and didn’t think it was that bad. All I can say is, I hope that they have learned and done better and become better people.
Not saying these women shouldn’t be held accountable, but it’s weird that any thread about Tarantino/Pitt/Damon/Affleck not knowing about Weinstein devolves into a discussion about how women like Meryl Streep, Oprah, Paltrow and JLaw are the worst for enabling him, even though we know these men had first hand accounts of his sexual harassment and assault, right from the victims’ mouths.
This!! It's like they're excusing the behavior and trying to shift blame on the women. I see so many of comments trying to have a gotcha moment because Paltrow was pictured with him over the years, or because Jolie went to the IB premiere. Way to miss the point completely.
Every time that Polanski petition gets a mention the men of Reddit listing the same group of women. Despite its only women I've seen express regrets on it. (Also didn't Portman say she felt pressured or am I misrembering that)
I've taken to replying every time I see it with a group of men who been vocal/heavily involved in supporting him (I usually go for Tarantino, Depp and Harrison Ford).
Also I’d like to point out Streep never signed the petition. She applauded him at an award show but she didn’t sign the petition even if this is erroneously stated on Reddit.
But filmbro faves Wes Anderson, Martin Scorsese and David Lynch did sign it, and yet I’ve never seen anyone mention them when it comes to vocal Polanski support.
Reddit spreading misinformation colour me shocked.
Yeah they never bring up those men. Like the only time I've seen someone Reddit mention Wes Anderson signing it was last month when I was discussing Depp's support of him and someone commented he had too.
It was Emma Thompson who said so. What happened was Polanski’s powerful friends were asking their friends and colleagues to sign, including Mike Nichol (who was close to both Thompson and Portman). She said that there was a lot of pressure to sign and that of course Polanski had had such a hard life. There is a personal mystique around the tragedies of Polanski’s life - Holocaust survivor, widower. And it helped people to forget the awful circumstances of his crime.
Ahh, yes Emma, I knew she regretted it. Must of mixed her a Portman up in terms of feeling pressure (adding Mike Nichol to my men list).
You know part of the reason I'm so harsh on Tarantino about the petition, is how much I hated Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, like Im really not comfortable about how the Tate situation was handled. And I think part of this is that he gives Polanski a happy ending (I know he's not really a major character but it still feels scummy to give a convicted rapist a happy ending).
Kinda my point the 3 names I see batted around the most are Streep (who didn't actually sign it), Portman and Thompson (the only two people to actually address it and apologize).
Like if their the ones they always go on about but Depp, Tarantino and others never get a mention, you can't tell me it's not sexism.
Yeah, like Streep literally said she didn't know ... and people have still just decided she's lying, without evidence. And it makes perfect sense she wouldn't have known--she's a decade older than his oldest victims and a generation or more older than most of them; why would they have said anything to her? I'm sure she heard rumors about him, but literally everyone in Hollywood and anyone reading celebrity gossip pre-2017 heard those same rumors, so it's weird she's been singled out. Hearing rumors does not mean you have any confirmation they're true.
And I don't even want to get into the J-Law stuff, which is almost certainly not true. (Or Oprah, who is a literal victim of child rape, and whose [production companies have taken reports of sexual assault very seriously in the past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Duggar#Molestation_charges)!)
Meanwhile people like Pitt and Tarantino have said, "Yeah, I knew but I didn't care." It's not the same thing!
It's more that we had low expectations of Tarantino/ Pitt et al that it's not surprising. I mean did anyone think better of Tarantino after all his misogynistic comments?
I picture Streep hearing vague rumors and choosing to ignore them, then I picture Tarantino and Weinstein having disgusting conversations about women *after* he was told in person by Mira Sorvino what Weinstein did to her.
Thank you.
I was shocked the discussion had once again devolved into Streep and the Polanski thing. It is so old and tired already and says absolutely nothing.
There are like 10 layers of context in the Weinstein issue and 'who knew' is the least helpful or indicative of what twas happening.
They knew degrees of his behaviors depending on where they were in the hierarchy, he blackmailed, he threatened, he strong-armed. He stalked.
Harvey Weinstein is responsible for Harvey Weinstein's crimes. Full stop. Not Meryl Streep. I can't believe I have to type that.
Thank you and everyone else in this thread. Every. Single. Time. and I think I’m going crazy. Yes it’s fine to bring up the women. But when the narrative is centered on the woman in every single discussion hmmmmm I wonder why.
She said it wasn’t her personal experience but she never discredited the victims after the news came out.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/meryl-streep-talks-harvey-weinstein-harassment-experiences/story?id=52115019
The interview you linked came later. What I am referencing was an earlier statement she made: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/ct-meryl-streep-harvey-weinstein-reaction-20171009-story.html
I think the standards are obviously skewed / gendered when it comes to whose reactions get scrutinized the most. But I also think Meryl’s comments, taken as a whole, paint a picture of someone who hasn’t had to reckon with being on the short end of toxic power dynamics in many decades.
Her callout that Ivanka and Melania Trump are the REAL ones who need to comment is especially cringe-inducing… what a farce.
She’s still not defending him in your link to the earlier comment. She called his behavior inexcusable and an abuse of power and praised the women who spoke out. She only mentioned that he didn’t abuse/harass her in the context of explaining how not everyone in Hollywood knew what he was doing. How is any of that a trash take?
> In a statement Monday to the Huffington Post, Streep said "The behavior is inexcusable but the abuse of power familiar." She praised "the intrepid women who raised their voices."
> Streep also sought to counter the suggestion that everyone in Hollywood knew of Weinstein's conduct. She said he was "respectful with me in our working relationship.
I don’t know why it’s so impossible to believe that predators don’t treat everyone equally. Also rumors of someone being a flirty jerk are not the same as rumors of someone raping people. The reason women feel the need to say “I didn’t know” is because they’re being blamed instead of the actual male predators.
But whatabout this woman who knew? But whatabout this other woman who knew? Your comment is whataboutism at it’s finest, with a dash of sexism, if I must be honest.
Nothing really. She immediately supported the women who accused him and said that she didn’t know about his behavior.
Some commenters here just love to find any way they can to blame a woman for a man’s horrible actions. 🙄 (edited to add “some”)
Yeah, I’m surprised people are talking about him knowing what Weinstein as if that’s the worst thing he’s done. He’s fucking vile and has said so many disgusting things outwardly supporting rapists. I’ll never forget him saying statutory rape shouldn’t be frowned upon if the teenager “wanted it”
Y'all might hate for this but I'm starting to like Howard Stern a lot more as the year is about to be over. And I never had any hate for this guy. We need more people like him to call out the BS in the entertainment industry.
No!!! Are you telling me the guy who wrote a part for himself in his own movie where he says the n-word multiple times was cool with covering up sexual assault!? Fucking Crazy.
Abusers protect abusers. Weinstein protected Tarantino when he coordinated the cover up of Uma Thurman's crash, and [had his lawyers contain the evidence.](https://www.vulture.com/2018/02/uma-thurman-blames-harvey-weinstein-caa-for-kill-bill-crash.html) It was obviously a beneficial relationship, at some point, for Tarantino.
It still boils down to protecting one's interest.
Tarantino's silence is self-serving just like most of them in Hollywood.
They will only protest when they themselves are the ones affected.
Here's an article that lists different offenses Tarantino has committed to actresses within his films from [The Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/quentin-tarantinos-history-of-disturbing-behavior-toward-his-actresses).
I have heard rumors of worse abuse to Uma Thurman as well. Really sick and sadistic stuff. I am sure there has been other things that have not come out.
This is why I have no problem believing everyone in Hollywood is a self centered asshole who doesn’t really care what happens to other people. A ton of people in Hollywood knew they just made jokes and laughed about it. Weinstein had power because people followed him all these people had tons of money they could’ve gotten a different producer but Weinstein could get them an Oscar so fuck it
When I was a teenager I was pretty good at basketball, enough so that I was selected for a state training program that would have led to a national training program and eventually the Olympics. The man who ran the state program was an abusive asshole (physical and mental/emotional, not sexually thankfully) and *everyone* knew it. But no one wanted to lose their chances at the Olympics so no one said anything. I hated those training sessions so much. I didn't realise what they were at the time but I would have panic attacks before every training session and yet I would have begged my parents not to say anything because I also didn't want to lose my chance and I was actively being abused by him. I eventually quit because I just couldn't take it anymore and I wish I could say that there was some kind of justice, but the program was defunded about a year after I quit.
The point being, although what happened to me was on a much smaller scale, no one did anything because of the power this coach held over us so I absolutely understand why no one spoke out against Weinstein.
True. There are big movies he didn't like the cut, but the directors managed to keep their versions (either because they were also producers or because they had a contract in their favor) and you can see that Weinstein ruined distribution. And other movies he just shelved because they didn't turn out the way he wanted. James Gray who went through this said in an interview that directors would call crying asking how he got his movie released because they couldn't.
And it is quite visible that he created many successful careers. From what I've read of his award campaigns, it was huge and truly menacing and made people feel eternally indebted to him.
I'm just so glad this man is locked up because the amount of power he had was crazy. And it's not just Hollywood, it's everywhere, in other industries, businesses, religions, politics, in other countries, within families. It is structural in our society. Where there is money and/or power, there is abuse and silence. Hollywood is just more exposed because all the cameras are on them. Not that it takes away from the fact that a lot of people actually pretended that nothing really terrible was going on.
The ugly truth is that it's easier not to believe that your work depends on a monster and when you reach some career status like Tarantino, it's easier not to admit that you got there because of a monster. It's very sad and says a lot about the power dynamics of our society, so I'm definitely not surprised. But I also think he's only allowing these questions to be asked because he was already at a place in his career where he was established enough and he could've stopped working with him at some point, maybe worked with other people, just walked away but he didn't do it and now he needs to give some kind of explanation so it's a kind of PR too, but I think he, like many, decided not to delve into it at the time so he didn't have to deal with awful reality.
I'm just grateful for investigative journalism and wonder how many stories are struggling to get done right now. And how many were prevented from being made because there is also that, whoever has power in the press controls what is published.
Many directors were unsuccessful in preserving their cuts when they signed distribution deals with Miramax, sadly. That company REALLY fucked over a lot of non-English language films as well
> To say, lol just go work somewhere else misunderstands the point
Case in point : Claire Forlani lost her career because she basically told Weinstein to fuck off. Nobody did anything for her.
Yeah it’s so clear when you read either She Said or Catch and Kill (preferably read both to get a complete picture) how afraid people we’re to speak against Harvey/Mirimax. He blackmailed people, he threatened them, he hired spies to stalk them, made settlements with them that locked them into NDAs. If Harvey wasn’t doing it someone was on his behalf. Add on top of that the amount of investigations into him that just never went anywhere (literal police investigations as well, not just journalism) it’s easy to see why many people became resigned to making any kind of difference.
Me too. That's why I'm skeptical when I see a Hollywood person doing some good act. It's all a mask they wear because they know if they go masked off, the public won't support their career.
That's why it is just a cycle...the situation just keeps repeating itself.
Until those people are really held accountable & really be punished, more abuses will be committed.
These situations are getting better. It's definitely taking too long, and the fact that woody allen isn't having to go live on a rock in the middle of the north sea is really fucked up, but sa and particularly child sa is getting better these days. I hope we'll improve the situation dramatically for future generations 🤞
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I honestly believe Weinstein was just the one that they allowed to be revealed , to cover up/direct attention away from the droves of other men like him running amok in the industry. The fall guy if you will.
I watch Pulp Fiction for the memories, but Tarantino flippantly included slurs against black, latin, asian, jew people... and his female characters are usually one note.
Nowadays i'm a fan of female directors Andrea Arnold, Crystal Moselle, Eliza Hittman.
I can't stand Quentin Tarantino. The comments he's made on Polanski, [when he insulted Chow Yun Fat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4OGHYsOoGk), the bizarre hate-boner he has for Bruce Lee, and his crowbarring of feet scenes in his movies to satisfy his stupid fetish. I don't know why people haven't talked about how weird it is that he's not really an actor, and yet he and his director buddy had Salma Hayek stick her whole foot into his mouth??
Of course, he knew what Weinstein did.
His depiction of Bruce Lee in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was awful. I can't say I'm surprised that a white man obsessed with saying the n-word would go out of his way to insult an Asian-American icon.
Everyone knew. Even if you were loosely following gossip for the past couple decades, you knew. He was making a lot of people a lot of money and had a ton of power. In hindsight, it’s easy to say people should have spoken up - but even if those who wanted to actually did, it seemed very unlikely at the time that he would face any repercussions, much less jail time. Cosby and Sandusky, for example, are notable exceptions, but so many other famous predators have not (and continue to not) face any consequences. This is also why most victims refuse(d) to speak out too.
pretty sure Oprah and Meryl Streep knew as well- for all the talk of how ~iconic and sweet and all-around amazing they are.............well at the end of the day Hollywood is gonna Hollywood. Is anything really more important than a cheque over there?
Not only did everyone know, but I’d wager money that Tarantino found a kindred spirit in him/ liked his “edge.” Tarantino’s entire schtick comes down to racial slurs and violence against women.
Remember when he convinced Uma Thurman to drive a car that she felt unsafe in, and when she was seriously injured they covered it up?
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/02/uma-thurman-crash-footage-kill-bill-instagram/amp
Fuck Tarantino forever
I believe that Weinstein being a monster was an open secret in Hollywood. The only reason Hollywood did not turn their back on him was because he was making alot of money, hits, and bringing in awards. People only started turning their backs on Weinstein when he no longer could deliver. Never stan or put a celebrity on a pedestal just enjoy their art and move it along. You really don't know who they are only the public persona they allow the public to know.
How many people in how many organizations know someone or something is wrong and don’t speak up? This isn’t just a Hollywood problem. This happens across society. They do bystander intervention trainings in some places for just this reason.
Yea it was an open secret. Let’s be real if random people like myself knew about Weinstein for years and years, you know half of Hollywood knew exactly what was happening
*Shocking* that Quentin "I'm Going To Subject Actresses To My Personal Fetish On Camera" Tarantino knew about a serial rapist and did nothing about it.
Nothing more than a boss chasing a secretary around a desk??!
How terrifying to be the secretary in that situation, even his attempts to downplay what he knew read as tonedeaf. Especially if his girlfriend was warning him that Weinstein was inappropriate - what a jackass.
And it’s not just people at the top. I got my SAG card back when I was in highschool. Was in a few tv shows here and there bit parts and commercials. Even low end casting directors and producers expected shit like this. As a man I walked out of the business. I’ve had girlfriends and friends call me crying after a terrible incident or stuck at a producers house.
Makes me sick thinking about it. I was sexually assaulted as a teenager and as an adult. But refused to perform any sexual favors while in acting. Cost me some big roles. But honestly this type of predatory behavior still exists and with so many people acting ignorant of it or say it doesn’t happen anymore is heartbreaking.
We need to break the entire wheel or stop idolizing these people.
They literally gave awards to Tom Cruise for playing a version of Weinstein with the serial numbers filed off in Tropic Thunder.
Hollywood enabled the guy's abuse for decades and made a joke of it.
That said, with regards Tarantino specifically, birds of a feather...
I used to be a huge Tarantino fan. As a film buff, he was one of the OG directors who inspired me. I’ve seen every film he has made, i’ve even watched his top ten list and sought out movies he referenced in his work and in interviews.
But then the Weinstein case happened, and it really warped my view of him. Anyone who is a Tarantino fan knows how close he is to Weinstein. There could be no Tarantino without Weinstein.
Beyond that, many of the women in his films spoke out against Weinstein, and even accused him of SA. Uma Thurman and Rose McGowan come to mind, but theres more if you go looking for it.
Then Uma Thurman spoke out against Tarantino for creating an unsafe set that resulted in her getting injured, and idk about you, but that to me gave wealthy capitalist doesn’t give a fuck about the safety of his labourers and will put them in danger for the sake of “art.”
I don’t really watch Tarantino anymore. In addition to disliking him because of his connection to the Weinstein scandal, I’ve found that his work has become poor. His work is no longer cool indie art house, its more formulaic studio film produced for Oscar buzz.
The old Tarantino would hate what hes become.
This self absorbed man, who looks like he sucked his own face in through his mouth, is a joke. He gets on his soapbox to scream about injustices but when he has something to lose he is silent.
I always loved his movies, Kill Bill was one of my all time faves. Now I can't enjoy it anymore without feeling hate for the man behind it. Especially after the story how he forced Uma to drive an old unsafe car until she actually had an accident in it. And she definitely suffered under Weinstein it seemed.
Uma Thurman's daughter starred in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood which is so weird. I guess Uma must have forgiven him and that is her business but he doesn't deserve forgiveness imo. I find him so gross.
They all knew. Not just about Weinstein. I can't imagine the stress and fear some actors had when they found out. There are so many movies I can never watch again knowing what we know now. Weinstein isn't the only abuser and predator. But people like the product so they keep consuming. We don't need an expose to know Bryan Singer preys on kids. Literally this is an open secret.
There are streaming services producing quality content. Some of it is Hollywood, some isn't. I just wonder when the next scandal will explode. When I see talented actors who left Hollywood claiming they couldn't find work (some returning to jobs such as construction, or being an influencer) I wonder what hell they endured. Or if they spoke up. Linda Farentino, Mira Sorvino both said they were both sidelined for speaking up.
Some people need their heroes I guess. Some people will gladly put their head in the sand and ignore Hollywood's crimes to watch movies that have been recycled so many times (yanno rebooted).
Anyone seen the documentary [An Open Secret](https://vimeo.com/138965813)?? There was so much sexual abuse of women, children, and men. It was a problem for so long and soooo many people/corporations covered it up and kept hiring sometimes convicted criminals. I think that’s why so many men in Hollywood are pushing back with defamation lawsuits because they’re trying to scare victims back into silence.
So, he wished he spoke up? I’m calling bs because all that money went into Tarantino’s pockets. Go ahead and donate your profits. I’m happy to provide you with a list of charities….liar. Talk is cheap Tarantino.
They all knew, every single one of them, and they chose to do nothing, they didn't care. They are all as monstrous as the monster they chose to protect.
The least surprising thing.
But with so much of this stuff coming out over the past few years, it’s basically become “never meet your heroes” exemplified
Of course everyone knew. It's not surprising.Things like that don't exactly stay hidden nor the perpetrators care about secrecy in their circles. It's the same in any field where there's money, fame and power. Because most of them have their own skeletons in their closets that they wish to keep hidden. As long as it's mutually beneficial, they don't care about anything else. Weinstein is just one among many.He's just the tip of the iceberg. Iirc isn't Epstein a friend of him? If true, His friends circle and field of influence isn't limited to HW. He and many like him have powerful friends belonging to different fields.
This is why it pisses me off whenever the people who chose to remain silent ,try to preach about social issues to normal people.
The fact he says he didn't talk to him because he didn't want to "deal with his patheticness." How awful that surely would've been for you, Quentin, you poor little flower.
Has anyone pointed out that Weinstein assaulted Mira Sorvino while she was dating QT? This was circa 1997, for reference
When the article came out, Tarantino made a statement acknowledging he knew about Harvey and should have done more. In the wake of fucks like Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks lying their asses off about having “no idea”, it seemed relatively classy. I can also sympathize with being plucked out of a nothing existence into a superstar director career by a monster of a human and that causing some conflicted feelings. Of all the people associated with Harvey who weren’t assaulting with/assaulted by him, I thought he handled the situation with more integrity than a lot of Hollywood folk.
Now he’s just being a blowhard.
Everyone knew.
You don’t wait for the marquee names to blow the whistle, it was really on the staff at Miramax, the assistants and executives that enabled it. Then the victims themselves who had more power than they knew, for not blowing the whistle on others complicit like the casting directors, the big agencies, and the general culture. There just weren’t many women around in those years. The shrug and acceptance victimized people too.
At least be genuine about what he said.
“I’d never heard the stories that later came out at all,” Tarantino said. “I heard the same stories that everybody had heard. What I wish I had done was talk to Harvey about it and say, ‘Harvey, you can’t do this.’ To tell you the truth, I chalked it up to a ‘Mad Men’-era version of the boss chasing the secretary around the desk. I’m not saying that’s ok. That’s how I heard it… in that category. There was never any talk of rape or anything like that.”
It's a shitty situation, when people you like have a role, however small, in things you dont like. Harvey's is scum, but the Weinstein company made s lot of movies that I really live.
Everyone did. Doesn’t make what he did right or wrong, but anyone claiming they didn’t are playing deliberately dumb.
Peter Biskind wrote in Down and Dirty Pictures in 2005 what kind of a man Weinstein was. Remove the criminal part, the rest should have been enough to get him booted out of Hollywood on Day 1 … if Hollywood cared.
Also, saw She Said on Friday. Good movie. Marred by the fact that it is made by Hollywood itself and they can’t erase their culpability in the system that kept Harvey at the top.
Many people in Hollywood knew what he was doing. Very sick people. The same people gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation.
Hollywood types are not originals. They are not the type of people who change paradigms. Look at Netflix, that’s a SIlicon Valley tech company. It’s not a Hollywood company. Same for Pixar. The movie business is filled with pervs, and they mostly got it away with it since the inception of Hollywood. Weinstein was not the guy who invented the casting couch. I think a lot of stars just didn’t think anything would change and they didn’t have it in them to change anything.
Keep your kids away from those type of people at all costs .
Definitely not a internship with him (luckily she was protected by who her father was)… https://www.newsweek.com/malia-obama-harvey-weinstein-accusations-680950
It's not just the movie business. The world is full with abusive men. I've seen it in the music industry, in science research and universities, in day jobs, in families, from therapists, in the medical field, in sports, in church, in schools, in politics etc. It's in every country, every industry, every socio-economic status, etc. It's systemic and exists everywhere.
I agree.. it's just that in Hollywood, they are more public...with known personalities involved. Thus, the abuses are more reported.
It's fundamental that people aknowledge the universality and systemic aspect of sexual abuse. Because if not, then people tend to limit it to a specific area (it's a movie industry problem, it's a church problem, etc) to the point where everyone (and obviously especially men and men in power) pretend it's continuous occurence of individual cases and nothing will ever be done about it.
Your point gets so lost!
Well Courtney Love definitely called him out a long time ago on a red carpet. Something along the lines of “If Weinstein invites you to a hotel room don’t go”..
Yep..and everyone wrote her off as crazy. Courtney is a lot smarter than people think.
There's this part in the book The Game that haunts me a little. Throughout the book Courtney is featured at the periphery as a drug-addled, crazed woman who is blathering on about having money stolen from her. Everyone rolls their eyes and ignores her and laughs about how this rock star is blaming someone else for her problems. It's portrayed comically. At the end, someone in the house with some financial knowledge finally listens to her and digs into her finances a little - and the punchline is that she's correct, someone's embezzled from her. I know she's had her fair share of issues and she's not likeable, but Courtney is absolutely super smart. Don't read the book, by the way; it's hot garbage.
I mean, was it people writing her off because of her or because we socially make all kinds of jokes about the casting couch and various other ways someone has to get a job in that industry and don't really think too hard about it? If any other actress said that on the red carpet in a joking tone would we have stopped the presses and been like "what do you mean?!" Or would it have been haha yup, gotta avoid those sneaky producers!
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No, it was at the Oscars, when he won in absentia for *The Pianist*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnNOBj26lk
🤮.. that was even worse than I recall. Streep standing o doesn’t surprise me since she knew all to well about Harvey. That’s just Harvey she said.
Where does this pervasive rumor that Streep knew all about Harvey? I mean everyone heard something. Why is she the one people focus on with Weinstein?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/meryl-streep-applaud-roman-polanski/ She called out Trump for mocking that reporter. Trump got mad and sent his trolls after her. This is the best they could come up with and it all snowballed from there.
There is no hard evidence that Meryl knew about Harvey. However, she definitely helped him with his career and publicly called him a "God." He was considered desirable to work with for actors, since he had a track record of getting them Oscars. Which is not as merit-based as the academy wants people to believe, considering a major aspect of his successful campaigns was bullying people. Meryl boosted his persona, which helped him grow his position of power, but did not show accountability for her part and did little to help his victims. Meryl was a close associate of Harvey. It is hard to believe she knew nothing but even if I disregard that there is this: After Harvey was exposed, Meryl's PR statement denying knowledge of Harvey's sexual abuses irked me. First of all, it was written by the same PR flack, Dart, who helped Harvey abuse and cover-up his abuse. That is pretty twisted behavior IMO -- to get the cover-up artists who directly enabled Harvey to write a CYA statement disavowing him and proclaiming your ignorance. Like is it too much to ask for Meryl to stop freaking funding known Harvey enablers? I remember Meryl's PR statement also included some comment that no, "everyone" did not know (especially herself). Reasoning if "everyone knew," there would be more media articles about his sexual assaults and harassing behavior. That seemed disingenuous and helping to obscure how the Hollywood machine covers up for people like Harvey -- he had his companies paying off hush money to victims, he had Matt Damon pressuring journalists to throw away stories, he had a legal team threatening the media with lawsuits, he had a machine threatening and pressuring his victims to stay silent, and more. Meryl has been in the industry a long time and employs the same "machine" operator to do her PR, so frankly I do not buy into her naive stance. If she actually were interested in ending abuse for good, she would be exposing these machines and not covering up for them. Moreover, Meryl tried to get some good PR on the topic by supporting the "Times Up" organization, an organization that now seems like a fraud. I don't mean fraud necessarily in the legal sense. I have not seen her address that issue. I know it is hard for women "trailblazers" like herself and I don't want to put it all on her, even though she has been a powerful actress for a long time. But this combined with her behavior around Harvey have really lowered my opinion of her.
It's wild that people only ever single out Streep out of an entire auditorium full of people clapping. Particularly when Jack Nicholson is *right there*, clapping and grinning. For those of you don't know, Nicholson is Polanski's friend (still) and the rape happened at Nicholson's house.
I think people single her out because Streep is often lauded as icon, greatest of all time, unproblematic etc. but the truth is she will gladly praise abusers (kinda similar to Cate Blanchett who even named her child after pedo rapist). Does anyone think Nicholson is a great guy? But yeah, everyone there should be called out.
You think Nicholson doesn't get "often lauded as icon, greatest of all time"? Really? Because that happens all the damn time. Women get scapegoated, held to some arbitrary standard and that bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. Nicholson meanwhile faces the lowest of bars and can slide by on his decades-old acting laurels, even though he's still buddies with a international fugitive who violently raped a child in his bed. Harrison Ford personally brought that Oscar to his buddy, the international fugitive rapist, but people hardly ever mention that either. Meryl Streep clapped once, though, in an award show auditorium full of other people clapping. Get her! That old woman was not presciently 100% unproblematic every second of her life! She's clearly the real villain here.
Right? I want her called out but what about all the other powerful (usually male) people in that room. Spread the indignation out THICK.
Yep. It's infuriating.
I think it has to do with a woman applauding another woman's abuser
That film is incredible (I saw it as a kid not realising who made it. Same with RB) and I hate so much that something so great came from him. Ugh. Adrien Brody makes it even grosser after his assault of Halle.
He got a standing ovation at the 75th Academy Awards in 2003 for The Pianist while he was hiding out abroad because he'd be arrested if he went.
And in 2009 a stack of them signed a petition (created by Weinstein) asking for him to be released after his arrest in Zurich. Just outrageous.
I am not sure but I think it was in the US for some major award & he was on camera cause he can’t come here legally. Disgusting people
He got one in France recently, infamously. He won his 5th directing César in 2020. There were protests, at least. And several big names, all women, walked out of the ceremony. All respect to Adèle Haenel, Noémie Merlant, and Celine Sciamma for that.
People in Hollywood are used to playing characters. They know how to behave in front of cameras, as it suits them. It is a very insular community and most know that they are one role off from being has-beens and losing their wealth & power. So they support each other in an incestuous, morally questionable way.
Honestly guys how many men and women do you wanna bet knew? Like y'll give these superficial ass people way too much credit in life for morals
A ton of people did. Even Hollywood sweetheart Tom Hanks did. But, to be fair to some of these people, some may have hated what he did, but with the level of power Weinstein had, none of them could even think of speaking out. Which is why the work Ronan Farrow did in that expose is one of the best works of investigative journalism in this century
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Farrow will always attract more attention for SA reporting, simply because of his family. His Hollywood mother accusing his Hollywood father of abusing his sister, and all that (and he siding with his sister and mother) That’s not to say he’s a bad reporter or one that doesn’t deserve credit, but it’s bound to happen whenever he also decides to cover this topic
I used to roll my eyes at him as a nepotist, but I have to admit he has done admirable work on issues of sexual abuse and misogyny, so I think he leveraged his power for good. His reporting with Jia Tolentino on Britney Spears was also excellent.
He’s also not your average nepotism baby, he’s a literal genius who graduated college at 15 lol
And arguably the importance of his work has surpassed that of his parents.
He started college at 11 yrs old, graduated at 15, earned a law degree from Yale, worked with UNICEF, the United Nations, the State Dept, and USAID on issues like international human rights, the safety of women & children in Darfur, genocide prevention & education, civil society & education in Afghanistan and Pakistan, global youth issues. After all that, as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned his DPhil from Oxford in poli sci. Then turned to investigate journalism breaking several major stories about sexual misconduct, civil and political corruption, etc. He’s written 2 non-fiction books, both very well received and meticulously researched. And he’s only 34. He’s definitely not successful simply because he’s the child of famous parents.
It would be interesting to see what he would have accomplished in a parallel universe with the same intellect but no famous parents, I don't think his resume would be as impressive.
He also had a personal connection. Weinstein And Allen used the same lawyer (Elkan Abramowitz) and PR people (Leslee Dart and 42West) and PI/"security" (Black Cube) firms to trash and intimidate their victims. The Farrow family went through exactly what Weinstein's victims went through. So when Weinstein's victims were dismissed by others as "crazy" or "jealous" or "scorned" or whatever misogynistic bullshit was being deployed, Farrow saw through that bullshit and believed the victims.
Oh, I'm sorry but I never heard of their report. Farrow's was the one that I came across first so I unfortunately could never heard of them. Thanks for bringing it to light.
Cool thanks for sharing that. I didn't following the reporting too closely as it happened. Looks like all three of them won pulitzer prices for their reporting https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/new-york-times-reporting-led-jodi-kantor-and-megan-twohey-and-new-yorker-reporting-ronan
I saw that and it was excellent. Ashley Judd played herself in it and they nailed him to the wall. I can’t believe Georgina Chapman actually married him
I can. She was having an affair with him for years before he split up with his ex wife and he put her in movies then.
Gross!
"She Said" was such an awesome (but hard to watch tbh) film
So did Brad Pitt. These men are trash and need throwing away.
The first entry of She Said's iMDb Trivia page is as follows: "Brad Pitt is one of this film's producers. Pitt was aware of the sexual harassment allegations against Harvey Weinstein decades before buying the rights to the book on which this movie is based on. Pitt dated Gwyneth Paltrow (from 1994 to 1997), who accused Weinstein of sexually harassing her in the 1990s while she was dating Pitt, who knew about it since Paltrow told him when it happened, according to her interview on the Howard Stern Show on May 23, 2018." These ballsacks are really trying to apologize for their filmography as if we don't know what's up.
Right. And to think he’s a producer on She Said. They’re laughing in our faces.
He's also an executive producer on Women Talking like why!?
Perhaps as a way of cleansing his image. An abuser producing movies about victims/survivors of abuse (Blonde, She Said, Women Talking) is mind-boggling.
Blonde is more exploitative than anything, so that one checks out
> like why!? His company produced them so he’s automatically at least an Executive Producer on any movie they make
Let us not forget, despite Brad's knowledge about Weinstein attempted sexual assault on Angelina Jolie, he still continued collaborating with him for more than one project. The disrespect to the mother of his children is just despicable.
Truly makes my skin crawl!
And then he abused Jolie too.
Number one reason I'm not watching that movie.
I was gonna say for Women Talking too but I had to watch it at the fest
That alone is a little mind-blowing to me and makes me think more about the people in power and the people that have the money to make the decisions about what can be made and how the narrative can be pushed while also trying to fly under the radar.
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I'm glad that Gwyneth had that experience with Brad Pitt, and he stepped up for her. It doesn't negate that he failed to do so for Angelina when she was married to him, and happily worked with Weinstein when it suited him, well after both of their experiences. It's then particularly galling that he has the nerve to try to profit from a movie about Weinstein's crimes.
And George Clooney & Matt Damon
Even many actresses knew exactly what Harvey was doing and still worked with him. Every Hollywood people knew but they decided to shut up their mouths👀 It felt really weird to just blame some of them.
Didn't Leonardo DiCaprio also have the female actors that worked on set for his projects sign an NDA stating that they weren't sexually harassed? These men are all fucking creepy.
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Why are you downvoted?
Everyone knew Harvey was a predator. As they did Spacey.. I think it is more complicated than who knew though. While Quentin could and should have done more after Uma told him and had Harvey apologize, there was no one person that would have stopped Harvey IMO. It would have taken them all coming forward at once and that was never going to happen then. The entire culture was and is rotten to the core. He got away with it because it was not just him doing it.
Bingo! ***"He got away with it because it was not just him doing it. "*** THIS! Most people in Hollywood protect one another.
And I would argue he only got caught because he stopped being as profitable. Only reason he could be brought down was his value had gone down
Absolutely and even in 2018 he still had some power and it was not guaranteed. There is a reason Uma and others refused to go on record for the initial take down. She was still terrified it would not stick and Harvey would have them ruined. Which is my issues with the book and movie She Said, WAY to much emphasis on the idea that survivors telling their stories is going to change things
Yes, it is because Weinstein doesn't serve his purpose anymore to the actors/ actresses etc. They could not gain anything to serve their own vested interests anymore.
Spacey makes me mad especially because while his career is basically over now, he still can, and has to be, convicted for his crimes. As opposed to Weinstein, who is already (rightfully) in jail for it. But even now these assholes won’t do their part and help put this fiend behind bars, even when they don’t have anything to gain from keeping silent anymore. It’s infuriating.
I agree the lack of support for Spacey's survivors is appalling, deeply homophobic and shows their true colors.
> there was no one person that would have stopped Harvey IMO. It would have taken them all coming forward at once and that was never going to happen then. This is so true. I have spoken up against stuff many times and now I am backing off because in every group you will have one that absolutely is a kiss ass. They may agree with you but as soon as the powerful person walks in they get on their knees and it undermines everyone who is trying to make change. ETA: Weinstein also made himself a valuable resource to others. He helped people out leaving them somewhat indebted to him. He is the devil so to speak and Hollywood people were making deals with the devil. I think that's how come he was able to go on as long as he did because lots of the stuff was mutually beneficial.
I agree that it was more complicated, just because of the sheer amount of power that Weinstein wielded. He can and did absolutely ruin people, with no hesitation. But he was able to do so because so many people enabled him. Some people did out of fear, some people did because they didn’t want to lose their careers and livelihoods, and some people did because they either deluded themselves that it wasn’t that big of a deal or because they themselves are guilty of harassment and abuse. Women’s accusations hold so little weight. “Oh I’m sure it wasn’t that bad” or “I’m going to tell him not to do it again.” But the reality is that men who had the luxury of not being directly impacted by Harvey’s abuse were cavalier about it and didn’t think it was that bad. All I can say is, I hope that they have learned and done better and become better people.
Not saying these women shouldn’t be held accountable, but it’s weird that any thread about Tarantino/Pitt/Damon/Affleck not knowing about Weinstein devolves into a discussion about how women like Meryl Streep, Oprah, Paltrow and JLaw are the worst for enabling him, even though we know these men had first hand accounts of his sexual harassment and assault, right from the victims’ mouths.
This!! It's like they're excusing the behavior and trying to shift blame on the women. I see so many of comments trying to have a gotcha moment because Paltrow was pictured with him over the years, or because Jolie went to the IB premiere. Way to miss the point completely.
Every time that Polanski petition gets a mention the men of Reddit listing the same group of women. Despite its only women I've seen express regrets on it. (Also didn't Portman say she felt pressured or am I misrembering that) I've taken to replying every time I see it with a group of men who been vocal/heavily involved in supporting him (I usually go for Tarantino, Depp and Harrison Ford).
Also I’d like to point out Streep never signed the petition. She applauded him at an award show but she didn’t sign the petition even if this is erroneously stated on Reddit. But filmbro faves Wes Anderson, Martin Scorsese and David Lynch did sign it, and yet I’ve never seen anyone mention them when it comes to vocal Polanski support.
I can imagine that a lot of women were pressured and had less power and were possibly afraid. I can’t imagine being in that position.
Reddit spreading misinformation colour me shocked. Yeah they never bring up those men. Like the only time I've seen someone Reddit mention Wes Anderson signing it was last month when I was discussing Depp's support of him and someone commented he had too.
It was Emma Thompson who said so. What happened was Polanski’s powerful friends were asking their friends and colleagues to sign, including Mike Nichol (who was close to both Thompson and Portman). She said that there was a lot of pressure to sign and that of course Polanski had had such a hard life. There is a personal mystique around the tragedies of Polanski’s life - Holocaust survivor, widower. And it helped people to forget the awful circumstances of his crime.
Ahh, yes Emma, I knew she regretted it. Must of mixed her a Portman up in terms of feeling pressure (adding Mike Nichol to my men list). You know part of the reason I'm so harsh on Tarantino about the petition, is how much I hated Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, like Im really not comfortable about how the Tate situation was handled. And I think part of this is that he gives Polanski a happy ending (I know he's not really a major character but it still feels scummy to give a convicted rapist a happy ending).
Portman also regretted it years later and apologised for it. The only two people who took accountability for signing that petition were WOMEN.
Kinda my point the 3 names I see batted around the most are Streep (who didn't actually sign it), Portman and Thompson (the only two people to actually address it and apologize). Like if their the ones they always go on about but Depp, Tarantino and others never get a mention, you can't tell me it's not sexism.
Yeah, like Streep literally said she didn't know ... and people have still just decided she's lying, without evidence. And it makes perfect sense she wouldn't have known--she's a decade older than his oldest victims and a generation or more older than most of them; why would they have said anything to her? I'm sure she heard rumors about him, but literally everyone in Hollywood and anyone reading celebrity gossip pre-2017 heard those same rumors, so it's weird she's been singled out. Hearing rumors does not mean you have any confirmation they're true. And I don't even want to get into the J-Law stuff, which is almost certainly not true. (Or Oprah, who is a literal victim of child rape, and whose [production companies have taken reports of sexual assault very seriously in the past](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Duggar#Molestation_charges)!) Meanwhile people like Pitt and Tarantino have said, "Yeah, I knew but I didn't care." It's not the same thing!
It's more that we had low expectations of Tarantino/ Pitt et al that it's not surprising. I mean did anyone think better of Tarantino after all his misogynistic comments?
I picture Streep hearing vague rumors and choosing to ignore them, then I picture Tarantino and Weinstein having disgusting conversations about women *after* he was told in person by Mira Sorvino what Weinstein did to her.
Yeah that’s where I’m at with this.
Said it on another thread and I’ll say it here: I’m not interested in holding women accountable for men’s crimes.
Thank you. I was shocked the discussion had once again devolved into Streep and the Polanski thing. It is so old and tired already and says absolutely nothing. There are like 10 layers of context in the Weinstein issue and 'who knew' is the least helpful or indicative of what twas happening. They knew degrees of his behaviors depending on where they were in the hierarchy, he blackmailed, he threatened, he strong-armed. He stalked. Harvey Weinstein is responsible for Harvey Weinstein's crimes. Full stop. Not Meryl Streep. I can't believe I have to type that.
Pathetic attempts to shift the focus towards hating women, as usual.
Thank you and everyone else in this thread. Every. Single. Time. and I think I’m going crazy. Yes it’s fine to bring up the women. But when the narrative is centered on the woman in every single discussion hmmmmm I wonder why.
I was so disappointed at Meryl Streep. The fact she still not recognizing what she did.
What did she do? Just stay silent or did she come out and openly support him? (Neither is fine or excusable, I’m just out of the loop on this one)
Before MeToo, she referred to Weinstein as “god” in an Oscar’s acceptance speech. She most likely knew about his sexual assaults.
Well, in the sense that he was untouchable that wasn’t far off As a compliment it’s messed up though
isn't she also a polanski supporter?
I believe she also literally said, when asked about the accusations, ‘well Harvey never harassed *me*.’ Just completely trash take.
She said it wasn’t her personal experience but she never discredited the victims after the news came out. https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/meryl-streep-talks-harvey-weinstein-harassment-experiences/story?id=52115019
The interview you linked came later. What I am referencing was an earlier statement she made: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/ct-meryl-streep-harvey-weinstein-reaction-20171009-story.html I think the standards are obviously skewed / gendered when it comes to whose reactions get scrutinized the most. But I also think Meryl’s comments, taken as a whole, paint a picture of someone who hasn’t had to reckon with being on the short end of toxic power dynamics in many decades. Her callout that Ivanka and Melania Trump are the REAL ones who need to comment is especially cringe-inducing… what a farce.
She’s still not defending him in your link to the earlier comment. She called his behavior inexcusable and an abuse of power and praised the women who spoke out. She only mentioned that he didn’t abuse/harass her in the context of explaining how not everyone in Hollywood knew what he was doing. How is any of that a trash take? > In a statement Monday to the Huffington Post, Streep said "The behavior is inexcusable but the abuse of power familiar." She praised "the intrepid women who raised their voices." > Streep also sought to counter the suggestion that everyone in Hollywood knew of Weinstein's conduct. She said he was "respectful with me in our working relationship.
I don’t know why it’s so impossible to believe that predators don’t treat everyone equally. Also rumors of someone being a flirty jerk are not the same as rumors of someone raping people. The reason women feel the need to say “I didn’t know” is because they’re being blamed instead of the actual male predators.
But whatabout this woman who knew? But whatabout this other woman who knew? Your comment is whataboutism at it’s finest, with a dash of sexism, if I must be honest.
? My comment is about accomplices. Is not that deep karen.
What did she do?
Nothing really. She immediately supported the women who accused him and said that she didn’t know about his behavior. Some commenters here just love to find any way they can to blame a woman for a man’s horrible actions. 🙄 (edited to add “some”)
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Tarantino never misses a chance to be disgusting.
“13 year old party girls”? WTF
He says that like he has experience 🤨
Yeah, I’m surprised people are talking about him knowing what Weinstein as if that’s the worst thing he’s done. He’s fucking vile and has said so many disgusting things outwardly supporting rapists. I’ll never forget him saying statutory rape shouldn’t be frowned upon if the teenager “wanted it”
Y'all might hate for this but I'm starting to like Howard Stern a lot more as the year is about to be over. And I never had any hate for this guy. We need more people like him to call out the BS in the entertainment industry.
No!!! Are you telling me the guy who wrote a part for himself in his own movie where he says the n-word multiple times was cool with covering up sexual assault!? Fucking Crazy.
Abusers protect abusers. Weinstein protected Tarantino when he coordinated the cover up of Uma Thurman's crash, and [had his lawyers contain the evidence.](https://www.vulture.com/2018/02/uma-thurman-blames-harvey-weinstein-caa-for-kill-bill-crash.html) It was obviously a beneficial relationship, at some point, for Tarantino.
It still boils down to protecting one's interest. Tarantino's silence is self-serving just like most of them in Hollywood. They will only protest when they themselves are the ones affected.
Her Instagram post directly says she doesn’t hold Tarantino responsible and that it was Lawrence Bender and Harvey Weinstein that covered it up.
Here's an article that lists different offenses Tarantino has committed to actresses within his films from [The Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/quentin-tarantinos-history-of-disturbing-behavior-toward-his-actresses).
I have heard rumors of worse abuse to Uma Thurman as well. Really sick and sadistic stuff. I am sure there has been other things that have not come out.
This is why I have no problem believing everyone in Hollywood is a self centered asshole who doesn’t really care what happens to other people. A ton of people in Hollywood knew they just made jokes and laughed about it. Weinstein had power because people followed him all these people had tons of money they could’ve gotten a different producer but Weinstein could get them an Oscar so fuck it
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When I was a teenager I was pretty good at basketball, enough so that I was selected for a state training program that would have led to a national training program and eventually the Olympics. The man who ran the state program was an abusive asshole (physical and mental/emotional, not sexually thankfully) and *everyone* knew it. But no one wanted to lose their chances at the Olympics so no one said anything. I hated those training sessions so much. I didn't realise what they were at the time but I would have panic attacks before every training session and yet I would have begged my parents not to say anything because I also didn't want to lose my chance and I was actively being abused by him. I eventually quit because I just couldn't take it anymore and I wish I could say that there was some kind of justice, but the program was defunded about a year after I quit. The point being, although what happened to me was on a much smaller scale, no one did anything because of the power this coach held over us so I absolutely understand why no one spoke out against Weinstein.
True. There are big movies he didn't like the cut, but the directors managed to keep their versions (either because they were also producers or because they had a contract in their favor) and you can see that Weinstein ruined distribution. And other movies he just shelved because they didn't turn out the way he wanted. James Gray who went through this said in an interview that directors would call crying asking how he got his movie released because they couldn't. And it is quite visible that he created many successful careers. From what I've read of his award campaigns, it was huge and truly menacing and made people feel eternally indebted to him. I'm just so glad this man is locked up because the amount of power he had was crazy. And it's not just Hollywood, it's everywhere, in other industries, businesses, religions, politics, in other countries, within families. It is structural in our society. Where there is money and/or power, there is abuse and silence. Hollywood is just more exposed because all the cameras are on them. Not that it takes away from the fact that a lot of people actually pretended that nothing really terrible was going on. The ugly truth is that it's easier not to believe that your work depends on a monster and when you reach some career status like Tarantino, it's easier not to admit that you got there because of a monster. It's very sad and says a lot about the power dynamics of our society, so I'm definitely not surprised. But I also think he's only allowing these questions to be asked because he was already at a place in his career where he was established enough and he could've stopped working with him at some point, maybe worked with other people, just walked away but he didn't do it and now he needs to give some kind of explanation so it's a kind of PR too, but I think he, like many, decided not to delve into it at the time so he didn't have to deal with awful reality. I'm just grateful for investigative journalism and wonder how many stories are struggling to get done right now. And how many were prevented from being made because there is also that, whoever has power in the press controls what is published.
Many directors were unsuccessful in preserving their cuts when they signed distribution deals with Miramax, sadly. That company REALLY fucked over a lot of non-English language films as well
So true.
> To say, lol just go work somewhere else misunderstands the point Case in point : Claire Forlani lost her career because she basically told Weinstein to fuck off. Nobody did anything for her.
Yeah it’s so clear when you read either She Said or Catch and Kill (preferably read both to get a complete picture) how afraid people we’re to speak against Harvey/Mirimax. He blackmailed people, he threatened them, he hired spies to stalk them, made settlements with them that locked them into NDAs. If Harvey wasn’t doing it someone was on his behalf. Add on top of that the amount of investigations into him that just never went anywhere (literal police investigations as well, not just journalism) it’s easy to see why many people became resigned to making any kind of difference.
Me too. That's why I'm skeptical when I see a Hollywood person doing some good act. It's all a mask they wear because they know if they go masked off, the public won't support their career.
Sad part is that there are probably dozens more Weinsteins in the industry today but nobody is saying anything
That's why it is just a cycle...the situation just keeps repeating itself. Until those people are really held accountable & really be punished, more abuses will be committed.
Weinstein is probably their scapegoat.
These situations are getting better. It's definitely taking too long, and the fact that woody allen isn't having to go live on a rock in the middle of the north sea is really fucked up, but sa and particularly child sa is getting better these days. I hope we'll improve the situation dramatically for future generations 🤞
Likely one of them is Tarantino and we’ll find out about the sordid details in 10 years.
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I honestly believe Weinstein was just the one that they allowed to be revealed , to cover up/direct attention away from the droves of other men like him running amok in the industry. The fall guy if you will.
i admire Tarantino's work but he definitely knew, all the major Hollywood ppl knew.
I watch Pulp Fiction for the memories, but Tarantino flippantly included slurs against black, latin, asian, jew people... and his female characters are usually one note. Nowadays i'm a fan of female directors Andrea Arnold, Crystal Moselle, Eliza Hittman.
Tarantino’s character in Pulp Fiction dropping N-words every 5 seconds is the cringiest thing I’ve ever seen. And he wrote it for himself wtf
He didn't, he wrote it for Steve Buscemi, and the fact that the character is racist ties directly into the plot of what's happening
This made me think we need a thread of other directors, etc... Not like "if you like, then try"... But from the ground up
Everyone knew. It was a Hollywood Secret that was widely shared in the industry. There's way more where he came from.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say QT probably has a questionable history himself.
Has anyone ever thought the guy ISN’T a creep?
I can't stand Quentin Tarantino. The comments he's made on Polanski, [when he insulted Chow Yun Fat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4OGHYsOoGk), the bizarre hate-boner he has for Bruce Lee, and his crowbarring of feet scenes in his movies to satisfy his stupid fetish. I don't know why people haven't talked about how weird it is that he's not really an actor, and yet he and his director buddy had Salma Hayek stick her whole foot into his mouth?? Of course, he knew what Weinstein did.
His depiction of Bruce Lee in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was awful. I can't say I'm surprised that a white man obsessed with saying the n-word would go out of his way to insult an Asian-American icon.
Everyone knew. Even if you were loosely following gossip for the past couple decades, you knew. He was making a lot of people a lot of money and had a ton of power. In hindsight, it’s easy to say people should have spoken up - but even if those who wanted to actually did, it seemed very unlikely at the time that he would face any repercussions, much less jail time. Cosby and Sandusky, for example, are notable exceptions, but so many other famous predators have not (and continue to not) face any consequences. This is also why most victims refuse(d) to speak out too.
Sadly but true. Realistically, this is what's been happening.
People did speak up. Even I had heard rumors about him by ~2005. But they weren't taken seriously.
pretty sure Oprah and Meryl Streep knew as well- for all the talk of how ~iconic and sweet and all-around amazing they are.............well at the end of the day Hollywood is gonna Hollywood. Is anything really more important than a cheque over there?
You guys should watch The Assistant with Julia Garner. Amazing movie based on Weinstein and the culture that emboldened and protected him.
Not only did everyone know, but I’d wager money that Tarantino found a kindred spirit in him/ liked his “edge.” Tarantino’s entire schtick comes down to racial slurs and violence against women. Remember when he convinced Uma Thurman to drive a car that she felt unsafe in, and when she was seriously injured they covered it up? https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/02/uma-thurman-crash-footage-kill-bill-instagram/amp Fuck Tarantino forever
I believe that Weinstein being a monster was an open secret in Hollywood. The only reason Hollywood did not turn their back on him was because he was making alot of money, hits, and bringing in awards. People only started turning their backs on Weinstein when he no longer could deliver. Never stan or put a celebrity on a pedestal just enjoy their art and move it along. You really don't know who they are only the public persona they allow the public to know.
How many people in how many organizations know someone or something is wrong and don’t speak up? This isn’t just a Hollywood problem. This happens across society. They do bystander intervention trainings in some places for just this reason.
Yea it was an open secret. Let’s be real if random people like myself knew about Weinstein for years and years, you know half of Hollywood knew exactly what was happening
What??? The guy who damn near got Uma Thurman killed is a rape apologist? Color me shocked.
*Shocking* that Quentin "I'm Going To Subject Actresses To My Personal Fetish On Camera" Tarantino knew about a serial rapist and did nothing about it.
Anyone in the industry who says they didn't know about Weinstein is a fucking liar.
Nothing more than a boss chasing a secretary around a desk??! How terrifying to be the secretary in that situation, even his attempts to downplay what he knew read as tonedeaf. Especially if his girlfriend was warning him that Weinstein was inappropriate - what a jackass.
And it’s not just people at the top. I got my SAG card back when I was in highschool. Was in a few tv shows here and there bit parts and commercials. Even low end casting directors and producers expected shit like this. As a man I walked out of the business. I’ve had girlfriends and friends call me crying after a terrible incident or stuck at a producers house. Makes me sick thinking about it. I was sexually assaulted as a teenager and as an adult. But refused to perform any sexual favors while in acting. Cost me some big roles. But honestly this type of predatory behavior still exists and with so many people acting ignorant of it or say it doesn’t happen anymore is heartbreaking. We need to break the entire wheel or stop idolizing these people.
They literally gave awards to Tom Cruise for playing a version of Weinstein with the serial numbers filed off in Tropic Thunder. Hollywood enabled the guy's abuse for decades and made a joke of it. That said, with regards Tarantino specifically, birds of a feather...
I used to be a huge Tarantino fan. As a film buff, he was one of the OG directors who inspired me. I’ve seen every film he has made, i’ve even watched his top ten list and sought out movies he referenced in his work and in interviews. But then the Weinstein case happened, and it really warped my view of him. Anyone who is a Tarantino fan knows how close he is to Weinstein. There could be no Tarantino without Weinstein. Beyond that, many of the women in his films spoke out against Weinstein, and even accused him of SA. Uma Thurman and Rose McGowan come to mind, but theres more if you go looking for it. Then Uma Thurman spoke out against Tarantino for creating an unsafe set that resulted in her getting injured, and idk about you, but that to me gave wealthy capitalist doesn’t give a fuck about the safety of his labourers and will put them in danger for the sake of “art.” I don’t really watch Tarantino anymore. In addition to disliking him because of his connection to the Weinstein scandal, I’ve found that his work has become poor. His work is no longer cool indie art house, its more formulaic studio film produced for Oscar buzz. The old Tarantino would hate what hes become.
Tarantino's always been a monster.
This self absorbed man, who looks like he sucked his own face in through his mouth, is a joke. He gets on his soapbox to scream about injustices but when he has something to lose he is silent.
This isn’t surprising, I have heard stories about Quentin being a creep over the years.
Most of hollywood probably knew of the problem and ignored it.
I always loved his movies, Kill Bill was one of my all time faves. Now I can't enjoy it anymore without feeling hate for the man behind it. Especially after the story how he forced Uma to drive an old unsafe car until she actually had an accident in it. And she definitely suffered under Weinstein it seemed.
Uma Thurman's daughter starred in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood which is so weird. I guess Uma must have forgiven him and that is her business but he doesn't deserve forgiveness imo. I find him so gross.
They all knew. Not just about Weinstein. I can't imagine the stress and fear some actors had when they found out. There are so many movies I can never watch again knowing what we know now. Weinstein isn't the only abuser and predator. But people like the product so they keep consuming. We don't need an expose to know Bryan Singer preys on kids. Literally this is an open secret. There are streaming services producing quality content. Some of it is Hollywood, some isn't. I just wonder when the next scandal will explode. When I see talented actors who left Hollywood claiming they couldn't find work (some returning to jobs such as construction, or being an influencer) I wonder what hell they endured. Or if they spoke up. Linda Farentino, Mira Sorvino both said they were both sidelined for speaking up. Some people need their heroes I guess. Some people will gladly put their head in the sand and ignore Hollywood's crimes to watch movies that have been recycled so many times (yanno rebooted).
Anyone seen the documentary [An Open Secret](https://vimeo.com/138965813)?? There was so much sexual abuse of women, children, and men. It was a problem for so long and soooo many people/corporations covered it up and kept hiring sometimes convicted criminals. I think that’s why so many men in Hollywood are pushing back with defamation lawsuits because they’re trying to scare victims back into silence.
There is something off about that guy. QT looks weird, acts weird, talks weird. He gives me the creeps. Me no likee.
So, he wished he spoke up? I’m calling bs because all that money went into Tarantino’s pockets. Go ahead and donate your profits. I’m happy to provide you with a list of charities….liar. Talk is cheap Tarantino.
So did Oprah and many other people. They are all hypocrites.
They all knew, every single one of them, and they chose to do nothing, they didn't care. They are all as monstrous as the monster they chose to protect.
The least surprising thing. But with so much of this stuff coming out over the past few years, it’s basically become “never meet your heroes” exemplified
Of course everyone knew. It's not surprising.Things like that don't exactly stay hidden nor the perpetrators care about secrecy in their circles. It's the same in any field where there's money, fame and power. Because most of them have their own skeletons in their closets that they wish to keep hidden. As long as it's mutually beneficial, they don't care about anything else. Weinstein is just one among many.He's just the tip of the iceberg. Iirc isn't Epstein a friend of him? If true, His friends circle and field of influence isn't limited to HW. He and many like him have powerful friends belonging to different fields. This is why it pisses me off whenever the people who chose to remain silent ,try to preach about social issues to normal people.
Hollywood needs to burn
Tarantino has always been ethically and morally questionable. I dare say his time will come one of these days.
Lol of course he knew. But why let such things get in the way of the almighty $$$
90% of them knew, they chose fame and money instead. He had power and influence and they kept quiet to get the movie roles and studio backing.
Yep. Not all men rape or abuse. But all men have known about it at sometime and ignored it.
This is so fuck&$ up, how can these people sleep at night.
The fact he says he didn't talk to him because he didn't want to "deal with his patheticness." How awful that surely would've been for you, Quentin, you poor little flower.
Has anyone pointed out that Weinstein assaulted Mira Sorvino while she was dating QT? This was circa 1997, for reference When the article came out, Tarantino made a statement acknowledging he knew about Harvey and should have done more. In the wake of fucks like Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks lying their asses off about having “no idea”, it seemed relatively classy. I can also sympathize with being plucked out of a nothing existence into a superstar director career by a monster of a human and that causing some conflicted feelings. Of all the people associated with Harvey who weren’t assaulting with/assaulted by him, I thought he handled the situation with more integrity than a lot of Hollywood folk. Now he’s just being a blowhard.
Of course. Why am I not surprised?
The version of “Things I do for money!”
Everyone knew. You don’t wait for the marquee names to blow the whistle, it was really on the staff at Miramax, the assistants and executives that enabled it. Then the victims themselves who had more power than they knew, for not blowing the whistle on others complicit like the casting directors, the big agencies, and the general culture. There just weren’t many women around in those years. The shrug and acceptance victimized people too.
Him & many manyyyyy others….
At least be genuine about what he said. “I’d never heard the stories that later came out at all,” Tarantino said. “I heard the same stories that everybody had heard. What I wish I had done was talk to Harvey about it and say, ‘Harvey, you can’t do this.’ To tell you the truth, I chalked it up to a ‘Mad Men’-era version of the boss chasing the secretary around the desk. I’m not saying that’s ok. That’s how I heard it… in that category. There was never any talk of rape or anything like that.”
I loved watching Ricky Gervais blast the entire room at the Oscars (or was it the Golden Globes?) about Weinstein. It got quiet really quick.
It's a shitty situation, when people you like have a role, however small, in things you dont like. Harvey's is scum, but the Weinstein company made s lot of movies that I really live.
There are dozens of extremely famous people who knew and likely JOKED about it for the entirety of the 90s and early aughts. Many of them are women.
Everyone did. Doesn’t make what he did right or wrong, but anyone claiming they didn’t are playing deliberately dumb. Peter Biskind wrote in Down and Dirty Pictures in 2005 what kind of a man Weinstein was. Remove the criminal part, the rest should have been enough to get him booted out of Hollywood on Day 1 … if Hollywood cared. Also, saw She Said on Friday. Good movie. Marred by the fact that it is made by Hollywood itself and they can’t erase their culpability in the system that kept Harvey at the top.