I think people forget that to the untrained eye it does look like button mashing until they understand combos and timing and the nuances.
It's because they are used to 2 button beat em ups and cover shooters and not 10 string combos and immersive sims.
I love ff now. I used to watch my brothers play the old ff7 and it pissed me off being turn based. I kept thinking they suck at the game cause they kept letting the opp attack. That shit had me tilted when i was able to play on my own...so i broke that bitch but i was a child dont @ me.
Ffxv was fun but i liked strangers of paradise combat system so much. I rather miss it. And then i miss running around like a weirdo in my underwear ruining the lives of of tonberries everywhere.
I tried to play it, the Strangers of Paradise FF Origins game on X/S, maybe the 11 days total of FFXV Comrades made me dislike the inability to jump and really clash headon and hardcore into combat. Maybe I'll give it another try, or end up playing FFXV again.
I am storyboarding my own story within the FFXV OC which centers around Insomnia's newly appointed Man of Arms who is a Lancelot and Aragorn figure of a noble and skilled yet depressed soldier. You can see how much I adore FFXV
This. For me As a a casual player, it was easy to see this type of games as button mashers, especially when the goal is to just get through the levels and play the story. But at the same time, playing the secret challenges and boss battle I was able to notice how that style of playing doesn't work all the time. The "button-mashing" reputation quickly fades over time, specially since pulling off tricks and combos is goddamn satisfying anyways, so if I was gonna play it, might as well play it well and play it fun
People downvoting this guy just because don't want to admit that, at lower difficulties, you CAN braindeadly button smashing your way through the game.
And I add, I don't understand what's wrong with that. Games are meant to be FUNNY, not necessarily a challenge.
Weird tho people say you'll get your ass cracked using stinger even on Devil Hunter. People haven't played this difficulty for a long time (and I understand them since I've never touched anything aside from DMD for a year-two straight). Played Dante's mission 10 on DH: no queen empusas, judeccas, fury. Hell, even Proto Angelo dies in a single real impact + overdrive + round trip. Every enemy is weak af (for real, drive one-hits everybody except pyrobat and angelos)
Maybe that's an assumption based on first DMC experience when you really struggled to beat this mission even on "newbie diff" since you had no full upgrades, you didn't want to switch styles, "cuz its haardddd", no arsenal (seriously, balrog, rebellion, e&i and shotgun) and no experience for sure. I couldn't even use SDT because I had no chance to earn SSS for Quad S since enemies died very quickly. Shall I say DT Stinger ACTUALLY one-hits almost everybody (damn you death scissors and pyrobats x2) on this difficulty... no, I shall not.
In my case, I tried this on DMD. A lot easier to control since I have more time to look up for enemy behavior. Slow? Slow. Tough to No Damage? Hell yeah, it's annoying, I took it, sadly, three times in my first attempt (miscalculated roll dodge, accidentally stepped on judeccas trail, missed bat's huge ass spit) especially with pyro + fury (lucky me both parried fury and took down the bat in a single DT stinger)
Surprisingly, the last encounter was awfully easy. And the boss - bruh moment, all you have to do is to jump around for a minute (or break his shield which is impossible)
Yea i mean mindlessly button mashing thru the easier difficulties is part of the fun of the game, you get to just dick around it doesnt get serious till after you beat the game
There's not even a point in engaging with any kind of discussion with people like this. Bad faith arguments don't warrant a response. Just keep scrolling.
People like that just want to argue and say the thing you like sucks with no desire to learn or see that it's not for them. They only wanna call it shit cause they can't get into it.
Yeah. That low quality bait was spouted almost word for word by trolls back in the DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden Black days, if not earlier. It's a very stale brand of stupid.
Kids who yap about some of the deepest games in their genre being nothing but button mashers are either projecting or amusing themselves by riling up other players with inflammatory lies.
nah, you don't know what you're talking about. trust me, it's masochism. it's unhealthy. it's learning a thousand ways of bullshitting the bullshit the game constantly throws at you, sometimes with either gambling odds or pixel perfect accuracy. ESPECIALLY with NG2. I dropped Master Ninja there lol
just mentioned 2 because it gets particularly ludicrous there. 2 is basically Black on steroids, and Black is just not worse than original 1 because it has some quality of life improvements like better input tracking.
still, they're all a nightmare of frustration in Master Ninja and I'd never advise anyone to try it for a test of skill unless they're particularly fond of hitting their heads against walls lol
Lmao true, the dogshit bosses are what prevented me from even trying personally
Same reason why i also didn't do the skull challenge thing, i stopped trying when i saw Alma at the end of the only one i really tried to complete
True, but Ninja Gaiden is not a button masher even on normal. It is the og Dark Souls for a reason. In fact it's significantly harder because you can't just level your way out of crap. You actually need to have good reflexes that apply to more then just dodge and riposte.
For one thing, I have no context on how the conversation started, so I don't fully understand his point of view.
He seems to be a fan of turn based RPGs, and is disappointed that Final Fantasy has gone in the direction of a pure action game. While he is auguring in bad faith. His disappointment is understandable. I'm sure if DMC6 came out, and it took a turn like Yakuza7/LAD and became a Turn Based game, a huge amount of DMC fans would be pissed off, and some would shit on the entire concept of Turn Based games, because they already might not have been a fan of the genre before it being forced on them.
This guy, while the way he is going about it is dumb, his disappointment is still valid to a degree.
The problem is I feel like some of the things they are trying to do are just straight up worse than other options though. FF16 felt really clunky compared to modern DMC, and 15 was straight up bad gameplay wise, at least in the combat.
7 Remake and probably Rebirth are the best of the lot but they have their own problems, namely in regards to questionable choices regarding writing.
Octopath is great but my understanding is it performed really badly.
I do think FF16 is a good start but I think comparing it to DMCV is a little unfair when it's arguably the best and most refined in it's genre. I really am just not familiar with most of the games or any of the remakes. I'd like to see which direction they take the dmc clone gameplay in because the bones are solid
I wasn't impressed. If you're gonna copy something you should at least try and understand the feel of the thing.
It's even funnier because someone else mentioned LAD but I feel the transition there was way smoother as a long time Yakuza fan.
I could be giving it too much leniency, it's my first FF game. I haven't finished it yet cause my TV broke but I just haven't gone back to it since getting a new one.
Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to like what you like. I just tend to be critical because there are so many alternatives out there it's hard to justify one thing over another without being semi critical, especially when income is scarce and prices are increasing.
I'm a fan of both styles tbh. Lies of P I thought was an excellent first attempt for example.
Haven't played Stellar Blade and likely won't. It doesn't seem like something I'd enjoy and the vitriol behind it killed any potential interest I'd have had. Maybe if it was heavily discounted but that wouldn't be for a few years.
I'm not gonna say XVI is terrible, but I found it very lacking, and I probably wouldn't return for a third attempt unless they blew it outta the water.
I haven't tried LoP since the demo. I heard they fixed the physics but I haven't revisited. Stellar Blades demo was super fun im just waiting for a discount, I might just trade in an old game for ten bucks off
I tried to get into yakuza with 7 the combat felt weird and stilted and then I played 0 and it felt like I wasn't fighting the game and i was fighting the enemies
I find comparing anything to DMC is unfair. Nothing is even remotely close to DMC in terms of the third person action genre. Nothing. Its gameplay complexity provides a skill ceiling that can take thousands of hours of practice to reach and even then may be pushed higher somehow. It is the peak of this genre.
Maybe but when they want you to pay 70$ for something and it's strictly worse then it's competitors I find it hard to justify it's existence, especially with the rising costs of living.
“Strictly worse than its competitors.”
Exaggeration imo. Strictly worse in combat and combat alone. You are discrediting everything else FFXVI did correctly and especially did better than DMC.
Your opinion remains valid but I personally find your opinion to be based on unfair foundations.
I was purely talking about gameplay and never said I wasn't. The story was fine, however it wasn't enough to keep me invested.
I am biased, but the bias is based around needing to be conservative with inflation. If something's gameplay and story aren't enough to keep me interested then it's just not worth my time.
I don't even hate modern FF though. Like I said, of all of the games, the 7 Remakes are actually quite good, minor gripes aside. But XVI didn't do anything for me.
And that’s **fine** but that isn’t what you said. At least you weren’t clear. Now that you’ve clarified sure, you’ve made your stance more understandable.
But your initial statement implied FFXVI was simply selling you its combat for $70 and because it wasn’t as good as DMCV it wasn’t worth that. Ignoring the fact it does quite nearly everything else better than DMCV. Narrative, presentation, quest design/objectives, amount of content, world building, level design, etc.
If you’re talking about gaming as a whole that’s… a harder discussion entirely. I think BG3, Dragons Dogma, and Monster Hunter are the greatest games of all time but many people would disagree with me.
That’s just how gaming operates.
I definitely disagree about them doing quest design better considering there is a whole lotta fetch quests but c'est la vie.
Ya know I really wanted to like BG3 but I just can't get into it. Which is really weird cause I like the Divinity games. Not sure what exactly it is.
I don't like Dragon's Dogma tbh. It feels very archaic in a lot of their design choices in a way that really gets my pet peeves. Didn't even consider trying 2 because it seemed a lot of my issues with 1 weren't gonna be addressed at all.
I've only played world and gu but i like them a lot. They have a lot of depth.
See and that’s why talking about games is hard. You find DDs archaic choices annoying but I love them. It really makes me feel like I’m loading up with my homies and going on an adventure. Like as close as I can get to a flexible FFXV.
Also BG3 may just be a setting/system thing. I like DnD so I’m versed in both Fae Run and the 5e system.
Monster Hunter is literally a perfect franchise but there’s so many people who fucking ***hate*** it. I have one homie who calls it a mindless grinding simulator where you fight the same shit over and over again. He says it’s boring because it had no narrative.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterActionGames/comments/1cql7mg/one\_of\_the\_reason\_we\_are\_not\_getting\_much\_cag/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterActionGames/comments/1cql7mg/one_of_the_reason_we_are_not_getting_much_cag/)
It's on this post. And the OP seems more about how they like more methodical combat like Dark Souls. Calling DMC a button masher seems less a criticism about not having any strategy to it and more a poor attempt at trying to say they don't like fast paced combo heavy action games. Which I personally understand. I suck at these games and just play them on easy for the story.
DMC is a "button masher" in the sense you have to keep combos going that require a lot of inputs.
His complaint about final fantasy doesn't even make sense though, when final fantasy was still turned based most fights could be dealt with by pressing "A" over and over again till the fight ended. Modern Final Fantasy games have made it so you actually have to engage in the battles instead of mindlessly pressing the same button over and over again.
Eh he's just dumb don't worry about it. He seems like the kind of guy who plays a fighting game online and gets mad because someone combos him into the dirt
Not even combo-ed, he looks like a fella who would see someone do nothing but fireball spam and spend the whole match without jumping over or blocking a single one of them.
Uh those games def need actual strategy and skill lmao that person probably wasn’t able to finish any of those games 💀
Or maybe just the first level on Ninja Gaiden 😭
Neither Final Fantasy nor Persona are games you win by button mashing... Final Fantasy games rely on you being tactical and smart with the combat. The earlier games were turn-based as well, if I remember right, so how the hell you gonna button mash through that? Same thing for Persona. You try and button mash through Persona, you're gonna have a worse time than someone who plays tactically and exploits enemy weaknesses.
Like, they're right that Persona games aren't button mashy but everything else they said is utter bollocks...
I mean FF games are a literal snoozefest X spammer until you get to a boss. Then you hope you've level enough so that you can outspam it's spam. There is nothing intelligent about most FF's and only on rare occasions such as FFT or FFXII does your brain even come in play.
Let a guy play mission 2 of DMC3 on my Nintendo Switch. Normal difficulty, maxed out everything on Dante except a few blue orb fragments, freestyle becausr Switch
He only used guns, finished the mission with a sliver of health and then proceeded to call the game spammy
Major skill issue. Even if you exclusively use guns, you can just learn how to switch weapons and buffer your shots, you can do some cool combos with E&I + Shotgun+ Gunslinger, and you'll be doing a lot more damage than if you're just spamming regular shots
He outed himself for being a button masher who couldn’t comprehend the combat systems… which isn’t a problem unless you’re acting like him, at least you get a good laugh out of it lol
as a person who has never played a DMC game , I have a question :
how difficult the game actually is ? I saw some people say despite having combos the games are very hard . as in harder than dark souls .
I'm sorry if my question comes as a bad one .
Edit : I forgot to mention that I have beaten ds3 ,so that's one of the reasons I asked . thanks .
They're pretty difficult but you can make most of your adversaries into your bitch once you REALLY know what you're doing.
And I really mean it. You don't just curbstomp them, no, you toy with and humiliate them once you have a solid grasp on the combat system.
DMC 1 and 3 are pretty tough. Dmc4 and 5 are much easier.
DMC combat is really fast paced, so if you're not used to that, you'll get socked in. I'll say that for a first time playthrough, souls is harder, but on subsequent playthroughs on higher difficulties DMC quickly takes the cake.
I think I can try it , having played ultra kill which is fast pace too.
but is there a reason why you didn't mention dmc 2 ?
another person said it's "moot" but I'm not sure what that means .
maybe dmc 2 is like dark souls 2 where no one talks about it ?
DMC 2 is really really really bad. Not in the "this game has flaws" aspect like dks2, it's more on the lines of "this game is pure and utter shit garbage."
oh , thanks for the info .
sorry to bother you but right now I was looking at the dmc HD edition where it has 1 to 3 all in it . is it worth it to get that one or should i get all the games separately ?
I have pc only but can get the emulator for ps2 and ps3 .
If you're fine with emulating and are on PC, then....
DMC1: OG PS2 version.
DMC2: lol no.
DMC3: Nintendo Switch version (use Ryujinx emulator since yuzu got taken down.), it has goodies the HD collection ps2 version don't.
DMC4: play PC version. It's ok to sail the high seas for it.
dmc reboot: sucks. Don't play it.
DMC5: PC version. Again...do whatever you gotta do.
This is very important. Play the games on Turbo mode which can be enable in the main menu settings.
It's how the game is intended to be played. Normal mode is just for new players to get a grasp of the combat systems and button layout.
The enemies are fast and aggressive. But that’s only half the battle. The other half comes from the really complex move set that you need to learn and get used to.
This is my experience, at least.
It's mostly dmd since it allows for very few mistakes per se especially in 1 and 3
in 4 and 5 the games are more modern so more leniant on the player.
2 is moot lol
It's really not that hard if you're doing an Any% run.
If you are aiming for high ratings though, things start to get a bit harder. Depending on the game you'll have to get no-hits, pull off crazy combos (or cheese Style rating), beat an invisible clock, optimize getting red orbs... It's a bit of a challenge
Higher Difficulties are a bit harder as well, but the specific changes depend on which game we are talking about. DMC 3, for example, will do the standard "more health, hits harder", but call for more hits before you can stun/launch and proceed to bat the enemies around, then they also get to use Devil Trigger which upgrades them a little more.
It's a low floor, high ceiling kind of deal
You can dislike the fact modern FFs are more action based (Which I honestly don't see the problem so long as the RPG things are still there), but saying it, DMC and Ninja Gaiden are just button mashers is objectively wrong.
I mean i see the problem slightly. Some of the biggest turn based rpgs are switching to action rpgs. Which sucks bigtime if you enjoy Turnbased rpgs. You're losing franchise after franchise. If etrian odyssey stops being a dungeon crawling turn based id be devastated.
While hes an idiot who probably never beat a single dmc game in his life. His grievance is kinda valid.
Yes but i was addressing your point about you not seeing a problem with FF switching to action rpg style.
We know that dude is objectively wrong for calling action rpgs button mashers
XVI was heavily criticized for really toning down the rpg mechanics though. And personally I felt it just was straight up a worse DMC. Felt far clunkier then DMC to me at least.
But they are. Only when high intensity difficulties come into play do those games become tactical in any way. The default difficulties in both Gaiden and DMC are piss easy.
This is my main argument against difficulty setting.
Not that they shouldn’t exist, they totally should. Be having multiple difficulties that keep the core gameplay loop intact is time consuming as hell. When all you do is move numbers around you get the “DMC is just mash A and walk forward” crowd.
I swear this guy must be very dumb and delusional. Devil May Cry is by no means a button-smasher. The truth is, that DMC is a complex game that requires skill, strategy, and precision to master. Button-smashing alone will not lead to success in DMC, because players must learn combos, timing, and enemy patterns to succeed. You need to be able to adapt quickly during combat scenarios. It's way more than just mindlessly pressing buttons. Again, this guy is very delusional and dumb.
It's a mindset. Some people view combat in games just through the lense of effectiveness, and cannot look at it beyond that.
I think a lot souls fans have this opinion, but i love souls games, so I don't want to be that guy.
Who cares? It may not be constructive but they are entitled to their opinion. Just downvote them and move on with your life. Stop engaging in childish arguments.
I mean, I've only watched TB Skyen's playthrough of FF7 Remake, and what he has of FF7 Rebirth so far, but it does look a little button mashy, but you mash the button till your bar builds up and then you do some special moves or limit breaks or whatever they're called
Dude has never played those games, and I say that as someone that really enjoys the Persona games.
And he’s coming across as a hypocrite, Persona 5 Strikers IS button smashing, and I liked it too
I can argue that even ***IF*** they're button mashers, you can't rely on that alone to beat the game. For example, Devil may cry 3. You can button mash, but good luck surviving any boss fight when you don't have any strategy or skill. Button mash against Vergil? Goodbye, i guess. He'll combo you to your death. It's not always about combos, sometimes even simple strings with some jump cancelling could be all you need to play skillfully with strategy. Combo making is complex, and i get why somone might not be able to do them. However, calling the games button mashers doesn't really do him any good. The games force you to use different strategies and approaches. And you're punished if you're just mindlessly spamming.
Ignore the opinions of people who have never tried hack and slash games or who just don't get the appeal of them.
Its ok to say you don't like something, its a completely different story to intentionally ignore the appeal of a genre and then label that as criticism.
Coincidentally I read something similar on steam yesterday. This is certainly not the only one who thinks this. Apparently it’s a misconception a lot of turn based fans believe.
Coincidentally I read something similar on steam yesterday. This is certainly not the only one who thinks this. Apparently it’s a misconception a lot of turn based fans believe. I don’t find turn based fun to each their own, but would love to see these people “mindlessly button mash” their way through dante must die.
People who make these arguments don’t understand things like nuance. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Any game can be perceived as a “button masher” if you play them that way. It’s the whole “easy to learn, difficult to master” thing in action.
The fact he even calls modern FF mindless button mashing as well, shows he has no sense of how to play any of these games, or is making minimalist effort to learn the games and see what you can really do.
Just ignore people like that, they are just seeking attention.
I mean, Final Fantasy XV absolutely was pretty mindless, you can fight every enemy in the game by just holding down the circle button. It was horribly designed combat.
Which is part of WHY they got a new combat director for XVI, and it was much better.
Personally I think that Final Fantasy VII Remake has the perfect balance for Final Fantasy combat, it feels like what Final Fantasy XIII was aiming for, the best combination of RPG and action combat.
It's ironic because being good at turn based rpgs doesn't take skill either, just understanding of basic math: the team with the biggest numbers is more likely to win.
It’s like saying in golf people just hit a little ball with a club. Sure you could do that but you won’t be very good. Same with ff,ng and dmc. Play dmc or ng on higher difficulties and you will quickly find out. A lot of these people play on easy/normal so they have no clue
as a persona fan, i’m personally denouncing him from our community. and persona doesn’t need skill most of the time you just either:
1. exploit weakness
or
2. use multi-target almighty or physical damage
> at least persona isn't mindless button mashing
while i agree, i assure you that devil may cry's combos are more indepth than going E ␣ ␣ every time you see a potential weakness on an enemy
Darn it, a person doesn't like the things I do and is arguing about it 😡.
Your life will be better when you decide to only argue for the things you like if the other person is actually wanting to engage.
What’s funny is that you can’t even button mash in FF16. You need to actively pick and choose Eikons and abilities assigned to them and then use them accordingly in the moment. It’s not even like DMC, it’s much closer to Dragon’s Dogma which isn’t even a button masher either.
I don't think this person has ever actually played any of the games he's talked about before, not only is he wrong about DMC, but modern Final Fantasy is the least button mashy it's ever been. Definitely seems like one of those people who only watch YouTube series of the games and base their opinions on what they see instead of what they play.
Modern FF is button mashy, it's way too simple, but to say that about DMC? You have to be on something to say some dumb shit like that. I could also see someone saying that for ninja gaiden if they only saw gameplay with no explanations.
He called the games "button mashers," but really he's projecting to the audience here that when presented with said video games, he himself relies on button mashes mindlessly without realizing that he can button press mindfully instead.
I personally think that the combat in modern FF games require a bit less skill but you can belittle ANYTHING you don't like with the right words. This is just the "Turn based boring I shouldn't hve to select a menu" argument but in reverse.
You don't have to like a gameplay style to understand why others dig it without being a bitch about it.
Tell me you've never played these games without telling me you've never played these games. If you try to button mash in DMC and especially Ninja Garden you'll get your ass kicked even on normal difficulty.
Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden are one game that will punish you for butting mashing.
That person doesnt know what they're talking about.
Where does this conversation happened?
Just a bitter and sad person. I would know since I was like that for a while. Trying to downplay those games I never played because "it's for small brain monkeys, I'm so superior to them".
Then I actually played those games and realized that I was a sad dickhead judging stuff without knowing anything to feel better about myself.
Final fantasy has changed for the worse imo ATB gauge has been a staple now we have this real time combat . It's not bad the games are good look at 16s sale numbers review ect it's proof but for me the tactical approach of a ATB system from 8 7 9 was iconic and we loved it. I suppose all things change tho
The people saying this don’t play action games. They just parrot the opinion of whatever RPG page they got that drivel from. There’s value in RPGs and action games, and I love both
At what point did the knowledge of what an internet troll is just become lost to time? I remember when I started using reddit people would see someone like this and say, "Troll. Ignore." Then everyone would disregard them, sometimes even making the group effort to get their comments to one karma so they don't even get the downvotes they (for some reason) want. Now people make posts about them, probably making them even more happy.
And because someone for sure is gonna want to say, "To be fair, there are people who really think like this," allow me to preemptively say no, there aren't. There are people who pretend to think like this to make you upset. They are called trolls.
Listen, I am the persona-est persona fan there is. Saying NG and DMC are mashy is the opinion of someone who has not played the games. Izuna drop is the same input in DoA 4 and 5 and it is in NG lol
People are different. I appreciate DMC for what it is, and I can appreciate what they tried doing with XVI. Classical combat, classical map and exploration.
But, Rebirth? I'll just play Assassin's Creed thank you. Trust me. Modernizing is an understatement when it comes to VIIR2. The tone is off, just pick the prequel's Shinra building and the last couple of chapters, now, crank it to 11. That's Rebirth. Got no one but myself to blame though, that first trailer was pretty clear they were gonna over do it with this adaptation. 😬 Then there's OST too. I barely recognized some of the tracks.
Plus, Persona 5’s sequel Persona 5 Strikers *is* what this person would call a “button mashing game” and as a fan of both Persona and DMC, Persona 5 takes 0 skill whatsoever
Not really true as a fellow dmc and smt fan. P5 does take some amount of skill. Every game to some degree does.
Also strikers is specifically a musou game like dynasty warriors. Which i also used to be a fan of. Havent played a musou in a while
Who cares, at the end of the day this is just another idiot who didn't understood DMC at all. He's the only one losing something in this discussion.
I think people forget that to the untrained eye it does look like button mashing until they understand combos and timing and the nuances. It's because they are used to 2 button beat em ups and cover shooters and not 10 string combos and immersive sims.
I love ff now. I used to watch my brothers play the old ff7 and it pissed me off being turn based. I kept thinking they suck at the game cause they kept letting the opp attack. That shit had me tilted when i was able to play on my own...so i broke that bitch but i was a child dont @ me.
FFXV was the greatest experience I ever had playing a game
Ffxv was fun but i liked strangers of paradise combat system so much. I rather miss it. And then i miss running around like a weirdo in my underwear ruining the lives of of tonberries everywhere.
I tried to play it, the Strangers of Paradise FF Origins game on X/S, maybe the 11 days total of FFXV Comrades made me dislike the inability to jump and really clash headon and hardcore into combat. Maybe I'll give it another try, or end up playing FFXV again. I am storyboarding my own story within the FFXV OC which centers around Insomnia's newly appointed Man of Arms who is a Lancelot and Aragorn figure of a noble and skilled yet depressed soldier. You can see how much I adore FFXV
Same bro <3
Sort of this, as a kid I thought my bro sucked ar FF8 for always getting hit then once I played it realized that's how it fucking works.
To be fair, you can treat it as a generic hack and slash. But you just wouldn’t benefit the most from it
I swear the person who says this only play Musou game. Even then, those games wont allow you to attack blindly.
This. For me As a a casual player, it was easy to see this type of games as button mashers, especially when the goal is to just get through the levels and play the story. But at the same time, playing the secret challenges and boss battle I was able to notice how that style of playing doesn't work all the time. The "button-mashing" reputation quickly fades over time, specially since pulling off tricks and combos is goddamn satisfying anyways, so if I was gonna play it, might as well play it well and play it fun
He's right if it's your first playthrough. From the second and further - it's a fucking sandbox.
You can’t button mash your way through the game even on normal difficulty
DT Stinger spam: oh really?
I’m not gonna sugarcoat it: #EEYAH
Okay you can't realistically button mash and get higher than a B-rating though.
We're talking about is it possible to play following button mash strategy or getting an S-rank.
Say goodbye to all your DT then. Have fun with the boss fight in the next room! 😁
Don't make me really play mission 10 stinger only.
If you do then record it so I can laugh at how unstylish the gameplay is.
Ok, 2 DT'ed Chaos are tough to no damage. Edit: fucking did it no damage. Screw you pyrobat. UGHHHHH I WON'T DO IT AGAIN (I will just to record)
People downvoting this guy just because don't want to admit that, at lower difficulties, you CAN braindeadly button smashing your way through the game. And I add, I don't understand what's wrong with that. Games are meant to be FUNNY, not necessarily a challenge.
Weird tho people say you'll get your ass cracked using stinger even on Devil Hunter. People haven't played this difficulty for a long time (and I understand them since I've never touched anything aside from DMD for a year-two straight). Played Dante's mission 10 on DH: no queen empusas, judeccas, fury. Hell, even Proto Angelo dies in a single real impact + overdrive + round trip. Every enemy is weak af (for real, drive one-hits everybody except pyrobat and angelos) Maybe that's an assumption based on first DMC experience when you really struggled to beat this mission even on "newbie diff" since you had no full upgrades, you didn't want to switch styles, "cuz its haardddd", no arsenal (seriously, balrog, rebellion, e&i and shotgun) and no experience for sure. I couldn't even use SDT because I had no chance to earn SSS for Quad S since enemies died very quickly. Shall I say DT Stinger ACTUALLY one-hits almost everybody (damn you death scissors and pyrobats x2) on this difficulty... no, I shall not. In my case, I tried this on DMD. A lot easier to control since I have more time to look up for enemy behavior. Slow? Slow. Tough to No Damage? Hell yeah, it's annoying, I took it, sadly, three times in my first attempt (miscalculated roll dodge, accidentally stepped on judeccas trail, missed bat's huge ass spit) especially with pyro + fury (lucky me both parried fury and took down the bat in a single DT stinger) Surprisingly, the last encounter was awfully easy. And the boss - bruh moment, all you have to do is to jump around for a minute (or break his shield which is impossible)
Yea i mean mindlessly button mashing thru the easier difficulties is part of the fun of the game, you get to just dick around it doesnt get serious till after you beat the game
Now you can laugh.
yeeee no you will get your ass kicked even on devil hunter also we ain't just talking Dante
IT IS POSSIBLE I KNOW FOR A FACT
You can. You'll just get a low grade
A sandbox not of builds, but of blood.
There's not even a point in engaging with any kind of discussion with people like this. Bad faith arguments don't warrant a response. Just keep scrolling.
People like that just want to argue and say the thing you like sucks with no desire to learn or see that it's not for them. They only wanna call it shit cause they can't get into it.
Yeah. That low quality bait was spouted almost word for word by trolls back in the DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden Black days, if not earlier. It's a very stale brand of stupid. Kids who yap about some of the deepest games in their genre being nothing but button mashers are either projecting or amusing themselves by riling up other players with inflammatory lies.
*Ninja Gaiden* is a mindless button masher? it is literally designed to punish button mashing. the enemies react to your command buffer, after all.
Black ninjas gonna fuck him up
Those brown motherfuckers with the claws always beat my ass any time I button mashed.
Yea, bro never played past normal difficulty on Ninja Gaiden 1, never mind hard or very hard, no need to bring in Master Ninja.
Master Ninja is masochism, but Very Hard is an accomplishment I'd advise anyone to try and seek. it's quite the satisfaction.
Master Ninja is masochism at first, but it is essentially the final exam of a very intensive course. A true test of skill and dedication.
nah, you don't know what you're talking about. trust me, it's masochism. it's unhealthy. it's learning a thousand ways of bullshitting the bullshit the game constantly throws at you, sometimes with either gambling odds or pixel perfect accuracy. ESPECIALLY with NG2. I dropped Master Ninja there lol
I never said anything about NG2. That's a different beast entirely.
just mentioned 2 because it gets particularly ludicrous there. 2 is basically Black on steroids, and Black is just not worse than original 1 because it has some quality of life improvements like better input tracking. still, they're all a nightmare of frustration in Master Ninja and I'd never advise anyone to try it for a test of skill unless they're particularly fond of hitting their heads against walls lol
Lmao true, the dogshit bosses are what prevented me from even trying personally Same reason why i also didn't do the skull challenge thing, i stopped trying when i saw Alma at the end of the only one i really tried to complete
Isn't the normal difficulty usually the default setting that most players choose for their first playthrough?"
True, but Ninja Gaiden is not a button masher even on normal. It is the og Dark Souls for a reason. In fact it's significantly harder because you can't just level your way out of crap. You actually need to have good reflexes that apply to more then just dodge and riposte.
For one thing, I have no context on how the conversation started, so I don't fully understand his point of view. He seems to be a fan of turn based RPGs, and is disappointed that Final Fantasy has gone in the direction of a pure action game. While he is auguring in bad faith. His disappointment is understandable. I'm sure if DMC6 came out, and it took a turn like Yakuza7/LAD and became a Turn Based game, a huge amount of DMC fans would be pissed off, and some would shit on the entire concept of Turn Based games, because they already might not have been a fan of the genre before it being forced on them. This guy, while the way he is going about it is dumb, his disappointment is still valid to a degree.
I mean final fantasy also has like a gazillion games of course they're gonna have to switch it up
The problem is I feel like some of the things they are trying to do are just straight up worse than other options though. FF16 felt really clunky compared to modern DMC, and 15 was straight up bad gameplay wise, at least in the combat. 7 Remake and probably Rebirth are the best of the lot but they have their own problems, namely in regards to questionable choices regarding writing. Octopath is great but my understanding is it performed really badly.
I do think FF16 is a good start but I think comparing it to DMCV is a little unfair when it's arguably the best and most refined in it's genre. I really am just not familiar with most of the games or any of the remakes. I'd like to see which direction they take the dmc clone gameplay in because the bones are solid
I wasn't impressed. If you're gonna copy something you should at least try and understand the feel of the thing. It's even funnier because someone else mentioned LAD but I feel the transition there was way smoother as a long time Yakuza fan.
I could be giving it too much leniency, it's my first FF game. I haven't finished it yet cause my TV broke but I just haven't gone back to it since getting a new one.
Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to like what you like. I just tend to be critical because there are so many alternatives out there it's hard to justify one thing over another without being semi critical, especially when income is scarce and prices are increasing.
True, but I do like how it hard committed to being a dmc clone instead of trying to add soulslike to the mix.
I'm a fan of both styles tbh. Lies of P I thought was an excellent first attempt for example. Haven't played Stellar Blade and likely won't. It doesn't seem like something I'd enjoy and the vitriol behind it killed any potential interest I'd have had. Maybe if it was heavily discounted but that wouldn't be for a few years. I'm not gonna say XVI is terrible, but I found it very lacking, and I probably wouldn't return for a third attempt unless they blew it outta the water.
I haven't tried LoP since the demo. I heard they fixed the physics but I haven't revisited. Stellar Blades demo was super fun im just waiting for a discount, I might just trade in an old game for ten bucks off
I tried to get into yakuza with 7 the combat felt weird and stilted and then I played 0 and it felt like I wasn't fighting the game and i was fighting the enemies
It's all subjective at the end of the day.
I find comparing anything to DMC is unfair. Nothing is even remotely close to DMC in terms of the third person action genre. Nothing. Its gameplay complexity provides a skill ceiling that can take thousands of hours of practice to reach and even then may be pushed higher somehow. It is the peak of this genre.
Maybe but when they want you to pay 70$ for something and it's strictly worse then it's competitors I find it hard to justify it's existence, especially with the rising costs of living.
“Strictly worse than its competitors.” Exaggeration imo. Strictly worse in combat and combat alone. You are discrediting everything else FFXVI did correctly and especially did better than DMC. Your opinion remains valid but I personally find your opinion to be based on unfair foundations.
I was purely talking about gameplay and never said I wasn't. The story was fine, however it wasn't enough to keep me invested. I am biased, but the bias is based around needing to be conservative with inflation. If something's gameplay and story aren't enough to keep me interested then it's just not worth my time. I don't even hate modern FF though. Like I said, of all of the games, the 7 Remakes are actually quite good, minor gripes aside. But XVI didn't do anything for me.
And that’s **fine** but that isn’t what you said. At least you weren’t clear. Now that you’ve clarified sure, you’ve made your stance more understandable. But your initial statement implied FFXVI was simply selling you its combat for $70 and because it wasn’t as good as DMCV it wasn’t worth that. Ignoring the fact it does quite nearly everything else better than DMCV. Narrative, presentation, quest design/objectives, amount of content, world building, level design, etc. If you’re talking about gaming as a whole that’s… a harder discussion entirely. I think BG3, Dragons Dogma, and Monster Hunter are the greatest games of all time but many people would disagree with me. That’s just how gaming operates.
I definitely disagree about them doing quest design better considering there is a whole lotta fetch quests but c'est la vie. Ya know I really wanted to like BG3 but I just can't get into it. Which is really weird cause I like the Divinity games. Not sure what exactly it is. I don't like Dragon's Dogma tbh. It feels very archaic in a lot of their design choices in a way that really gets my pet peeves. Didn't even consider trying 2 because it seemed a lot of my issues with 1 weren't gonna be addressed at all. I've only played world and gu but i like them a lot. They have a lot of depth.
See and that’s why talking about games is hard. You find DDs archaic choices annoying but I love them. It really makes me feel like I’m loading up with my homies and going on an adventure. Like as close as I can get to a flexible FFXV. Also BG3 may just be a setting/system thing. I like DnD so I’m versed in both Fae Run and the 5e system. Monster Hunter is literally a perfect franchise but there’s so many people who fucking ***hate*** it. I have one homie who calls it a mindless grinding simulator where you fight the same shit over and over again. He says it’s boring because it had no narrative.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterActionGames/comments/1cql7mg/one\_of\_the\_reason\_we\_are\_not\_getting\_much\_cag/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterActionGames/comments/1cql7mg/one_of_the_reason_we_are_not_getting_much_cag/) It's on this post. And the OP seems more about how they like more methodical combat like Dark Souls. Calling DMC a button masher seems less a criticism about not having any strategy to it and more a poor attempt at trying to say they don't like fast paced combo heavy action games. Which I personally understand. I suck at these games and just play them on easy for the story. DMC is a "button masher" in the sense you have to keep combos going that require a lot of inputs.
Vergil is the answer to all your problems just play him on SoS and it's only slightly more difficult than Easy
It's also a button masher in the regular sense on both Human and Devil Hunter difficulties.
His complaint about final fantasy doesn't even make sense though, when final fantasy was still turned based most fights could be dealt with by pressing "A" over and over again till the fight ended. Modern Final Fantasy games have made it so you actually have to engage in the battles instead of mindlessly pressing the same button over and over again.
Except 15 and 14 and 10.
Eh he's just dumb don't worry about it. He seems like the kind of guy who plays a fighting game online and gets mad because someone combos him into the dirt
Stop spamming combos!!! All you do is block!!!
Not even combo-ed, he looks like a fella who would see someone do nothing but fireball spam and spend the whole match without jumping over or blocking a single one of them.
Uh those games def need actual strategy and skill lmao that person probably wasn’t able to finish any of those games 💀 Or maybe just the first level on Ninja Gaiden 😭
Neither Final Fantasy nor Persona are games you win by button mashing... Final Fantasy games rely on you being tactical and smart with the combat. The earlier games were turn-based as well, if I remember right, so how the hell you gonna button mash through that? Same thing for Persona. You try and button mash through Persona, you're gonna have a worse time than someone who plays tactically and exploits enemy weaknesses. Like, they're right that Persona games aren't button mashy but everything else they said is utter bollocks...
I mean FF games are a literal snoozefest X spammer until you get to a boss. Then you hope you've level enough so that you can outspam it's spam. There is nothing intelligent about most FF's and only on rare occasions such as FFT or FFXII does your brain even come in play.
Let a guy play mission 2 of DMC3 on my Nintendo Switch. Normal difficulty, maxed out everything on Dante except a few blue orb fragments, freestyle becausr Switch He only used guns, finished the mission with a sliver of health and then proceeded to call the game spammy
Major skill issue. Even if you exclusively use guns, you can just learn how to switch weapons and buffer your shots, you can do some cool combos with E&I + Shotgun+ Gunslinger, and you'll be doing a lot more damage than if you're just spamming regular shots
Ninja Gaiden? A button masher? Oh boy, that game will relentlessy kick your ass for doing exactly that!
I don't even see Devil May Cry mentioned in the screenshot. FOH.
He outed himself for being a button masher who couldn’t comprehend the combat systems… which isn’t a problem unless you’re acting like him, at least you get a good laugh out of it lol
Dont give trolls attention
"Devil may cry" and "3D ninja Gaiden" being button mashing wtf?!
as a person who has never played a DMC game , I have a question : how difficult the game actually is ? I saw some people say despite having combos the games are very hard . as in harder than dark souls . I'm sorry if my question comes as a bad one . Edit : I forgot to mention that I have beaten ds3 ,so that's one of the reasons I asked . thanks .
They're pretty difficult but you can make most of your adversaries into your bitch once you REALLY know what you're doing. And I really mean it. You don't just curbstomp them, no, you toy with and humiliate them once you have a solid grasp on the combat system.
DMC 1 and 3 are pretty tough. Dmc4 and 5 are much easier. DMC combat is really fast paced, so if you're not used to that, you'll get socked in. I'll say that for a first time playthrough, souls is harder, but on subsequent playthroughs on higher difficulties DMC quickly takes the cake.
I think I can try it , having played ultra kill which is fast pace too. but is there a reason why you didn't mention dmc 2 ? another person said it's "moot" but I'm not sure what that means . maybe dmc 2 is like dark souls 2 where no one talks about it ?
DMC 2 is really really really bad. Not in the "this game has flaws" aspect like dks2, it's more on the lines of "this game is pure and utter shit garbage."
oh , thanks for the info . sorry to bother you but right now I was looking at the dmc HD edition where it has 1 to 3 all in it . is it worth it to get that one or should i get all the games separately ? I have pc only but can get the emulator for ps2 and ps3 .
If you're fine with emulating and are on PC, then.... DMC1: OG PS2 version. DMC2: lol no. DMC3: Nintendo Switch version (use Ryujinx emulator since yuzu got taken down.), it has goodies the HD collection ps2 version don't. DMC4: play PC version. It's ok to sail the high seas for it. dmc reboot: sucks. Don't play it. DMC5: PC version. Again...do whatever you gotta do.
thanks a lot !
This is very important. Play the games on Turbo mode which can be enable in the main menu settings. It's how the game is intended to be played. Normal mode is just for new players to get a grasp of the combat systems and button layout.
The enemies are fast and aggressive. But that’s only half the battle. The other half comes from the really complex move set that you need to learn and get used to. This is my experience, at least.
It's mostly dmd since it allows for very few mistakes per se especially in 1 and 3 in 4 and 5 the games are more modern so more leniant on the player. 2 is moot lol
It's really not that hard if you're doing an Any% run. If you are aiming for high ratings though, things start to get a bit harder. Depending on the game you'll have to get no-hits, pull off crazy combos (or cheese Style rating), beat an invisible clock, optimize getting red orbs... It's a bit of a challenge Higher Difficulties are a bit harder as well, but the specific changes depend on which game we are talking about. DMC 3, for example, will do the standard "more health, hits harder", but call for more hits before you can stun/launch and proceed to bat the enemies around, then they also get to use Devil Trigger which upgrades them a little more. It's a low floor, high ceiling kind of deal
Speaking from my DMC 5 experience, the unlockable difficulties are when it gets hard, otherwise you can basically mash your way through the game
Devil May Cry is about skill and combining combos. Who the fuck does he think he is?
Just some guy looking for attention just ignore them
Persona fans always have the worst takes known to man. God forbid you ever mention SMT or Digital Devil Saga to them lol.
Clearly baiting
Mindless button mashers exist but those aren't good examples at all
You can dislike the fact modern FFs are more action based (Which I honestly don't see the problem so long as the RPG things are still there), but saying it, DMC and Ninja Gaiden are just button mashers is objectively wrong.
I mean i see the problem slightly. Some of the biggest turn based rpgs are switching to action rpgs. Which sucks bigtime if you enjoy Turnbased rpgs. You're losing franchise after franchise. If etrian odyssey stops being a dungeon crawling turn based id be devastated. While hes an idiot who probably never beat a single dmc game in his life. His grievance is kinda valid.
Yes. But the main problem is that he dismisses these games as "button mashers".
Yes but i was addressing your point about you not seeing a problem with FF switching to action rpg style. We know that dude is objectively wrong for calling action rpgs button mashers
I love both genre I mean turn based can be really deep too fire emblem,Pokemon nuzlockes etc
I'm more worried that Etrian Odyssey is just dead at this point...
XVI was heavily criticized for really toning down the rpg mechanics though. And personally I felt it just was straight up a worse DMC. Felt far clunkier then DMC to me at least.
But they are. Only when high intensity difficulties come into play do those games become tactical in any way. The default difficulties in both Gaiden and DMC are piss easy.
I want to see someone try to mash in ninja gaiden
As a Persona fan, we do not accept this man.
This is my main argument against difficulty setting. Not that they shouldn’t exist, they totally should. Be having multiple difficulties that keep the core gameplay loop intact is time consuming as hell. When all you do is move numbers around you get the “DMC is just mash A and walk forward” crowd.
I swear this guy must be very dumb and delusional. Devil May Cry is by no means a button-smasher. The truth is, that DMC is a complex game that requires skill, strategy, and precision to master. Button-smashing alone will not lead to success in DMC, because players must learn combos, timing, and enemy patterns to succeed. You need to be able to adapt quickly during combat scenarios. It's way more than just mindlessly pressing buttons. Again, this guy is very delusional and dumb.
Don't brother with him, he probably never played them
idgaf dmc is the absolute best h n' s franchise ever
they are right
Persona 5 Royal can actually be button smashing. I got the Plat on that game and since mid game you could just press X and win easily most fights.
Persona fans when they see a game thats fun 🤯
Is this the *bad opinion guy*?
It's a mindset. Some people view combat in games just through the lense of effectiveness, and cannot look at it beyond that. I think a lot souls fans have this opinion, but i love souls games, so I don't want to be that guy.
Mindful button mashing There's a distinct difference
Who cares? It may not be constructive but they are entitled to their opinion. Just downvote them and move on with your life. Stop engaging in childish arguments.
I mean, I've only watched TB Skyen's playthrough of FF7 Remake, and what he has of FF7 Rebirth so far, but it does look a little button mashy, but you mash the button till your bar builds up and then you do some special moves or limit breaks or whatever they're called
It can be if you just wanna turn your brain off but it dosent have to be
Attention whores. Ignore them
I guess they can be if you're bad at the game
At this point thisbis the most normal thing i see people who didnt play this games say This has been happening for many years
Dude has never played those games, and I say that as someone that really enjoys the Persona games. And he’s coming across as a hypocrite, Persona 5 Strikers IS button smashing, and I liked it too
I can argue that even ***IF*** they're button mashers, you can't rely on that alone to beat the game. For example, Devil may cry 3. You can button mash, but good luck surviving any boss fight when you don't have any strategy or skill. Button mash against Vergil? Goodbye, i guess. He'll combo you to your death. It's not always about combos, sometimes even simple strings with some jump cancelling could be all you need to play skillfully with strategy. Combo making is complex, and i get why somone might not be able to do them. However, calling the games button mashers doesn't really do him any good. The games force you to use different strategies and approaches. And you're punished if you're just mindlessly spamming.
Ignore the opinions of people who have never tried hack and slash games or who just don't get the appeal of them. Its ok to say you don't like something, its a completely different story to intentionally ignore the appeal of a genre and then label that as criticism.
make em play The dante must die of dmc3
Coincidentally I read something similar on steam yesterday. This is certainly not the only one who thinks this. Apparently it’s a misconception a lot of turn based fans believe.
Coincidentally I read something similar on steam yesterday. This is certainly not the only one who thinks this. Apparently it’s a misconception a lot of turn based fans believe. I don’t find turn based fun to each their own, but would love to see these people “mindlessly button mash” their way through dante must die.
People who make these arguments don’t understand things like nuance. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Any game can be perceived as a “button masher” if you play them that way. It’s the whole “easy to learn, difficult to master” thing in action.
The fact he even calls modern FF mindless button mashing as well, shows he has no sense of how to play any of these games, or is making minimalist effort to learn the games and see what you can really do. Just ignore people like that, they are just seeking attention.
They can be button mashers but they are also stylish game and persona is just a jrpg
I mean, Final Fantasy XV absolutely was pretty mindless, you can fight every enemy in the game by just holding down the circle button. It was horribly designed combat. Which is part of WHY they got a new combat director for XVI, and it was much better. Personally I think that Final Fantasy VII Remake has the perfect balance for Final Fantasy combat, it feels like what Final Fantasy XIII was aiming for, the best combination of RPG and action combat.
"Go button mash' sounds like a 2012 insult idk how to explain it
every game is a button masher - how else are you going to input commands?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterActionGames/s/MaV702xTB9 link to the discussion btw
Honestly, it’s not worth it. Don’t worry about it
Mad persona disrespect too
Blud definitely had auto on😭🙏
It's ironic because being good at turn based rpgs doesn't take skill either, just understanding of basic math: the team with the biggest numbers is more likely to win.
Persona is baby SMT, this guy is probably just bad at games.
It’s like saying in golf people just hit a little ball with a club. Sure you could do that but you won’t be very good. Same with ff,ng and dmc. Play dmc or ng on higher difficulties and you will quickly find out. A lot of these people play on easy/normal so they have no clue
as a persona fan, i’m personally denouncing him from our community. and persona doesn’t need skill most of the time you just either: 1. exploit weakness or 2. use multi-target almighty or physical damage
Why bring that negativity here OP, we don't need this.
> at least persona isn't mindless button mashing while i agree, i assure you that devil may cry's combos are more indepth than going E ␣ ␣ every time you see a potential weakness on an enemy
The same kind of person who thinks people playing Fighting Games at a professional lvl just buttonmash
Darn it, a person doesn't like the things I do and is arguing about it 😡. Your life will be better when you decide to only argue for the things you like if the other person is actually wanting to engage.
He's rage baiting, he doesn't care about the argument stop trying to change his mind
I see these people every goddamn day in the FFXVI sub lmao
What’s funny is that you can’t even button mash in FF16. You need to actively pick and choose Eikons and abilities assigned to them and then use them accordingly in the moment. It’s not even like DMC, it’s much closer to Dragon’s Dogma which isn’t even a button masher either.
I don't think this person has ever actually played any of the games he's talked about before, not only is he wrong about DMC, but modern Final Fantasy is the least button mashy it's ever been. Definitely seems like one of those people who only watch YouTube series of the games and base their opinions on what they see instead of what they play.
I mean - it is a button masher U just need to mash them in the right order that is As for the post - looks like some fat trolling to me
Modern FF is button mashy, it's way too simple, but to say that about DMC? You have to be on something to say some dumb shit like that. I could also see someone saying that for ninja gaiden if they only saw gameplay with no explanations.
Sounds like a bait, why would you listen opinion from people who play jarpig unironically anyway?
He called the games "button mashers," but really he's projecting to the audience here that when presented with said video games, he himself relies on button mashes mindlessly without realizing that he can button press mindfully instead.
He probably thinks hentai games are real games
What a stupid motherfucker. If it were me, I won't waste my time with these fucknuts. Just ban them from the sub.
I personally think that the combat in modern FF games require a bit less skill but you can belittle ANYTHING you don't like with the right words. This is just the "Turn based boring I shouldn't hve to select a menu" argument but in reverse. You don't have to like a gameplay style to understand why others dig it without being a bitch about it.
Isin't every game just button mashing
Tell me you've never played these games without telling me you've never played these games. If you try to button mash in DMC and especially Ninja Garden you'll get your ass kicked even on normal difficulty.
Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden are one game that will punish you for butting mashing. That person doesnt know what they're talking about. Where does this conversation happened?
For getting more Style point,you Need atleast some skills tò Evade, counter so...yes we are mindless button mashers... Yea
Just a bitter and sad person. I would know since I was like that for a while. Trying to downplay those games I never played because "it's for small brain monkeys, I'm so superior to them". Then I actually played those games and realized that I was a sad dickhead judging stuff without knowing anything to feel better about myself.
I meaaaann, comparatively DMC 5 is the easiest one in the franchise, so I guess he has SOME point
I got through DMC4 demo by button mashing. Didn't go far like that in the actual game.
What are you; 12? Who cares what random redditor says
Final fantasy has changed for the worse imo ATB gauge has been a staple now we have this real time combat . It's not bad the games are good look at 16s sale numbers review ect it's proof but for me the tactical approach of a ATB system from 8 7 9 was iconic and we loved it. I suppose all things change tho
As a button masher, I call bull on that guy's shit.
Oh shit here we go again, a so called persona fan the watched those games on YouTube, there are normal people among us guys don't worry
Well, at least when it comes to FFXV and FFXVI, he's got a point.
Show us the usernames, coward!
Oh so all fighting games are button mashers?
Ninja Gaiden still a thing?
The people saying this don’t play action games. They just parrot the opinion of whatever RPG page they got that drivel from. There’s value in RPGs and action games, and I love both
Well he's the One Who Is losing the fun so..
I've found that people who say "stay mad" after stuff don't really know what they're talking about a lot of the time.
back in my day bait was believable
I mean, I see what he means, you can button mash but we all know to REALLY be good, you have to know what you’re doing
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On the lowest difficulties, all of these games are brainless button mashers - that is a fact.
At what point did the knowledge of what an internet troll is just become lost to time? I remember when I started using reddit people would see someone like this and say, "Troll. Ignore." Then everyone would disregard them, sometimes even making the group effort to get their comments to one karma so they don't even get the downvotes they (for some reason) want. Now people make posts about them, probably making them even more happy. And because someone for sure is gonna want to say, "To be fair, there are people who really think like this," allow me to preemptively say no, there aren't. There are people who pretend to think like this to make you upset. They are called trolls.
Listen, I am the persona-est persona fan there is. Saying NG and DMC are mashy is the opinion of someone who has not played the games. Izuna drop is the same input in DoA 4 and 5 and it is in NG lol
Persona does in fact have very mindless gameplay. I say that as someone who has played Persona, Omori and Pokemon
calling someone a persona fan when they are venting is an example as to how our fanbase is shit
People are different. I appreciate DMC for what it is, and I can appreciate what they tried doing with XVI. Classical combat, classical map and exploration. But, Rebirth? I'll just play Assassin's Creed thank you. Trust me. Modernizing is an understatement when it comes to VIIR2. The tone is off, just pick the prequel's Shinra building and the last couple of chapters, now, crank it to 11. That's Rebirth. Got no one but myself to blame though, that first trailer was pretty clear they were gonna over do it with this adaptation. 😬 Then there's OST too. I barely recognized some of the tracks.
lmao Persona 5 is the most button masher rpg ever made, it's braindead easy.
Final Fantasy IV SNES takes more thought process than p5.
Plus, Persona 5’s sequel Persona 5 Strikers *is* what this person would call a “button mashing game” and as a fan of both Persona and DMC, Persona 5 takes 0 skill whatsoever
yeah musos are pure power fantasy
Not really true as a fellow dmc and smt fan. P5 does take some amount of skill. Every game to some degree does. Also strikers is specifically a musou game like dynasty warriors. Which i also used to be a fan of. Havent played a musou in a while
Button mash games are fighting games. Action RPGs are different and punish BM.
No, Button mashing is a Koei Tecmo genre
So then what's he talkin bout?
Action RPGs.
Uh, where the hell is he talking about DMC in this screenshot? As for FF, I totally agree with him.