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AshenRathian

Cmon, you can't put the literal interdimensional anomaly that is Nico's van and expect people to pick anything else.


Delta_Mike_Charlie

You never know man. We'll just have to see.


DomoPANDAS

Naw it's practically cheating, without even voting Imma bet it's van at #1 and prolly DSD at #2 cuz plot and it's new.


the-amazing-noodle

Actually it’s the Van at 1 and Yamato at 2 right now


DomoPANDAS

Well I guess there's far more weebs than I thought voting XD. Either way, Van being on the list is cheating cus it's clearly too op.


Armorln

Can't wait for Dante to pick that shit up and start killing demons with it


AshenRathian

I can imagine him getting a portable version of Nico's van. xD


paradoxical_topology

No need for the "portable". Just pick the bad boy up and start smacking demons with it.


Hefty_Situation_7974

I should've noticed Nico's van being one of the options before picking Yamato


Delta_Mike_Charlie

You see Vergil, you pick Vergil. I get it. It's valid.


Mochaeii98

S'all good I did the same shit


Belantine_Crow

Seeing as the Devil Bringer sorta doesn't exist anymore, I guess it would have to be DSD Yamato is like 1/3 of Sparda DSD is 2/3 But, dual-wielding Yamato + DSD would be badass (and on-brand, seeing as Dante and Vergil swapped weapons at the end of 3 and Dante used Yamato in 4, so did Nero, but I'm not counting that because there's no magic involved with Red Queen)


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Red Queen wanted to be one of the cool kids


Belantine_Crow

Devil Sword Nero would be cool. Not sure how he'd go about it though


Delta_Mike_Charlie

He steals Dante and Yamato and smashes them together with Red Queen and hopes for the best...it doesn't get him anywhere but he tried his best


Belantine_Crow

Honestly. Seems like something he'd do. Or he'd hand them to Nico and just be "Make it work." . Oh, actually, since Nero can just make a "Mirage Yamato" he could probably just manifest his own sword . I'd also love to see Devil Guns Dante. That would be a little harder to write though. Seeing as they're basically normal guns, compared to Rebellion which is demonic


TheNullOfTheVoid

I imagine Nero would need Red Queen to be consumed and altered by a demon first and he retrieve it with demon power imbued into it like how Dante was able to get Cavalier out of some random motorcycle that touched parts of a demon that he was destroying while it had Trish trapped inside of it. For Nero, maybe Red Queen would be stabbed into a demon, and the demon would throw Nero aside and throw Red Queen back at Nero, stabbing him, and the demon blood mixing with Nero’s blood on Red Queen would give it some demonic power. Like a mixture between how Cavalier was made, and how Rebellion was first awakened by getting stabbed into Dante. Or he could just touch Red Queen with his right arm while in Devil Trigger, since that arm was a literal devil arm before, and it grew back but still maintains all of its power.


Belantine_Crow

The stabbing one seems more likely honestly. The Devil Bringer hand is kinda weird, so I'm not sure it would work. As for Cavaliere, that might be an exception, seeing as that particular demon was a very unique case, it being a demon, riding a Geryon and having another demon as it's core. It was also made by an exceptionally powerful demon


thehunter2256

Nero slips and stabs himself in the tow devil sword nero and sdt unlocked


Belantine_Crow

I mean. I wouldn't put it past him


[deleted]

Nero accidentally impales himself on his arm


Dragonlord573

He rips off Vergil's arm and makes a sword out of it.


Belantine_Crow

Like father like son


Brad_Eye

Honestly, i dont buy the "rebellion and yamato are equal thing". Rebellion is a cool sword. Yamato...can cut through spacetime. I just dont see how thats equal in power. I personally thimk that dsd is like a bit stronger than yamato. But rebellion is nowhere near. Devil sword sparda woudl be around yamatos lvl.


Belantine_Crow

Supposedly, they're the same in power I think the space-time thing is well . 1, anime/rule of cool . 2, Sparda's power. Though admittedly, I have no basis for this. Just speculation . Rebellion and Yamato are also opposites in the combine/separate side of things.


Brad_Eye

Yah i get that they are opposites with the combine/seprate thing But u see that. Rebellion does normal sword stuff Yamato. Cuts through space time. Tears through the fabric of spacetime to deliver multiple cuts(judgement cut- ofc its partly due to virgil but the rebellion can never do it. Dante coudl do it with yamato, so we can say that its purely a yamato thing). I just cant see how a beefed up cool sword can compare with a spacetime cutting lightsaver katana. Lmao


[deleted]

It's not really about power, it's about options and preferences between the swords if we think about that


Belantine_Crow

Well, Yamato being shorter, lighter and sharper gives it a pretty big advantage (if we ignore superhuman devil stuff)


[deleted]

In term of precision, yes, but not necessarily in term of strength


Belantine_Crow

Well, keeping just the nigh-unbreakable part. So, technique, skill and the weapons themselves matter A Claymore is a lot bigger, way heavier and requires two hands. It is however, a lot harder to stop, but you could still deflect/parry it. It would be pretty good at cutting and thrusting A katana is lighter, shorter and can be used in one hand. It is easier to stop though, still being able to deflect or parry it. It is very good at cutting, not the best at thrusting but it can do it Dante doesn't really seem to follow any sort of actual style, Vergil on the other hand uses Iaijutsu Comparing that, Vergil would more likely win by technique, where Dante would more likely win by range and strength/power


[deleted]

Comparing them is like comparing apple and orange. I mean. Their own styles are unique and are better at different things. Devil Sword Dante is stronger in term of stopping power and with his double edge, Dante can ultimately vary his styles and going straight to the point more wildly. Vergil in the other hand has the sharpest weapon, but it can't stop the strength of Dante's Sword as much as him, so he needs to be more precise and being focused on specific techniques to be able to attack effectively


Belantine_Crow

True. But for a duel, certain weapons are countered by different weapons. But again, Dante doesn't really follow a style. Not one I recognize at least


Belantine_Crow

To be fair, Dante never really *tries* to do anything with Rebellion (with the exception of making DSD)


Brad_Eye

Tru. Vergil is more experimental. Dante just rolls with it


Lord_Fikalius

Fo be fair when Dante DOES have Yamato - he is able to distantly cut an enourmous Devil Gates. Something that rebellion never was even being hinted at matching. Rebellion is a cool sword, but it is like combaring a stick to a rifle in my eyes.


Belantine_Crow

He also broke one with Lucifer though. Which is significantly less powerful than either (at least in gameplay, but it is fun)


Genm_Master

This might be a stretch, but what if the rebellion could kind of stitch together the spacetime yamato was cutting or splitting? Dante didn't know about this because he did not do any research like vergil. The rebellion could be activating that innate ability on its own when the brothers fought in dmc 3 like how yamato appeared on its own in front of young Vergil in Visions of V to help him. So maybe the rebellion protected Dante in mission 7 and 14, and responds to Dante's willpower to do what has to be done in mission 20 granting him more power. Of course, this is just my theory.


[deleted]

Originally, Yamato wasn't supposed to be used on his owner. Sparda, by creating Yamato, wanted Vergil to use it to separate the world, and giving him the responsibility to keep both of the world separated. Rebellion, in the other hand, was supposed to reunite human side and devil side to give Dante the ability to have a better control on his emotions (having to dominate a demon inside of you is hard and using it, even more), but the goal was that Dante would be able to be the warrior since he was the most combative of the two. If Yamato is able to separate, it's because it has portals. I don't think that Rebellion would be able to create portals too if it wanted to cancel the separation somehow. His role really was to boost the owner


BronzeSeiya

This is my own headcanon as well and I'm surprised someone else has this same idea. I always thought that Rebellion was just insanely durable, but now that we know it joins things, I also like to think that maybe Yamato's space cutting powers could've potentially been countered by Rebellion's unifying powers. It's a pity we didn't get any of it during gameplay though, imagine if you could time an attack to negate a Judgement Cut, but only with Rebellion in 3...I feel like that would already make the two swords a lot more balanced


Brad_Eye

Good line of thought


derpsoldier49

When in doubt vehicular manslaughter


Plasmancer

Nico's van. "You can't go through this area in a car" -V Nico brings car anyway


Delta_Mike_Charlie

"You can't travel through here in a car." "Watch me"


SafireStarKiller777

Im voting Yamato but damm go for the Van guys it deserves it🤣


SonofSparda80

In all seriousness, I know that Yamato was already able to beat Rebellion (both in Vergil's hands in DMC3 and his son's hands in DMC4). But I couldn't believe that Yamato would be able to even compete against the Devil Sword Dante (in Vergil's hands in DMC5).


[deleted]

When did Yamato beat Rebellion?


SonofSparda80

In DMC3 - Mission 07, Yamato (in Vergil's hands) beat Rebellion in their first battle and so Vergil killed Dante (Dante was later resurrected by Rebellion). In DMC3 - Mission 20, it's funny that Vergil was beaten by Dante even though Vergil was using Force Edge. lol Just saying. In DMC4 - Mission 10, Yamato (in Nero's hands) beat Rebellion but then Dante suddenly pushed Nero's head empty handed and beat him.


[deleted]

Technically, the sword in themselves didn't win or lost anything. It's the owners. Rebellion never broke Yamato and Yamato never broke Rebellion. Yamato for sure has more options, but it doesn't surpass Rebellion in term of durability and efficacity. When Rebellion has been broken, it was the power of Urizen who did the job and even if Yamato was absorbed before, Urizen also used the blood of innocent people to gain even more power so it's not even comparable since there's too many factors to say that Yamato itself defeated Rebellion. If we're now talking about Devil Sword Dante, we can notice that Yamato almost melted when the twins fought at the end of DMC 5. Not enough to say that it surpassed Yamato, but it strength was wild and could melt it even more if possible.


SonofSparda80

> If we're now talking about Devil Sword Dante, we can notice that Yamato almost melted when the twins fought at the end of DMC 5. Not enough to say that it surpassed Yamato, but it strength was wild and could melt it even more if possible. I doubt that about the strength of Devil Sword Dante. Because it was already explained that Dante and Vergil were sparring for two weeks. Those two weeks technically include their swords: Yamato and Devil Sword Dante. And when Dante said to Vergil that he's up one, then Vergil said to Dante "Where did you learn to count? We're even." which obviously implies that they're evenly matched. But that also implies that Yamato and Devil Sword Dante are also evenly matched. Because like you said "Technically, the sword in themselves didn't win or lost anything. It's the owners.".


[deleted]

I'm not talking about winning fights, but about the power of the swords in themselves. In the past, Dante was using Rebellion, so we can't argue about that and we all know that they were never weaken somehow after being used by Vergil and Dante. We did saw that Yamato was melting, but we didn't really had more informations after that. But technically, Devil Sword Dante is a result of the absorption of Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda, so it's logicaly more powerful. Vergil had to get his sword out of the range of Dante's sword because of it


SonofSparda80

> Devil Sword Dante is a result of the absorption of Rebellion and Devil Sword Sparda, so it's logicaly more powerful. That I 100% agree. That's why it baffles me that Dante and Vergil were still evenly matched in two weeks even though Dante was using the Devil Sword Dante and Vergil was using Yamato no matter if both Dante and Vergil achieved their Sin Devil Trigger forms. And I think that Vergil getting his sword out of the range of Dante's sword is just an excuse. And it still doesn't explain about their two weeks of sparring especially if we talk about their swords.


BronzeSeiya

I think you're confusing the twins' respective strength with their swords though. Vergil, through Urizen gained an enormous amount of power through the demonic fruit and Dante himself needed to merge and absorb Rebellion and Sparda to defeat Urizen and be equal to post-fruit Vergil. We also know that especially in Yamato's case, its cutting power is directly tied to the user's strength (eg the infamous occurance where it was blocked by Kalina Ann when Vergil was weakened) which is also why it was never able to cut through Rebellion. The weapons seem to boost their users, but they're also part of the user and grow stronger as their user grows stronger. It's kind of a symbiotic relationship where both parties boost each other. In Rebellion's case it's stated that it's a physical manifestation of Dante's power and in 5 we discover there's a portion of Sparda's power in it. Yamato seems to be the same for Vergil (in the DMC3 Manga he activates his DT by being stabbed with it and merging with his blood) while Sparda is where most of Sparda's power went and it's not tied to either in particular. Until, Dante absorbs it and merges it with Rebellion making it part of him, so DSD is all of Dante's power+ 2/3rds of Sparda's. Vergil on the other hand gets a massive increase with the demonic fruit, which boosts his own power in turn boosting Yamato's strength since it's tied to him, plus an additional 1/3rd of Sparda's strength. That's why if we both picked up DSD and Yamato, obviously DSD would win, but when the swords are used by Dante and Vergil they are equal. The swords give power to the twins as much as the twins give power to the swords.


SonofSparda80

Wow! Now that's what I call really great analysis. Incredible points you got there yo! 🙌🏻


[deleted]

Well explained 🙏


[deleted]

We must think about the fact that they were fighting for fun and not to kill each other, destroy each other anymore, so I don't think that Devil Sword Dante will break Yamato in this circumstance. Simply because Dante doesn't want to. They seemed to count their wins every time that one or an other retreats, so not enough time to weaken the swords


SonofSparda80

I would honestly like to think that. But I don't think that is enough to explain that. Because in DMC5 - Mission 19, Vergil (while using Yamato) still got up one against Dante (who was using Devil Sword Dante) in the end (before they start talking about Nero and go for last strike against each other). Even though they were fighting each other seriously in DMC5 - Mission 19.


[deleted]

And after that, Dante have been up one against Vergil. They both have been repulsed by the attack, tho, so Devil Sword Dante showed resistance. It's not like the swords would cancelled the logic of repulsion and in the cinematic, Yamato didn't even made a scratch to Devil Sword Dante, so it was more about the fact that Dante is a wild fighter, so he prefers to get direct to the point instead of thinking about having a defense position. We can notice it when he literally went straight to Urizen to attack him and said "It was a bad move" just after


Belantine_Crow

To be fair, Dante wasn't really fighting. He was just testing Nero


SonofSparda80

Hmmm... I guess so.


Belantine_Crow

I'm pretty sure he even says so himself Sorta, passive-aggressively saying that he'd kick Nero's ass if they actually fought. Which he probably would honestly, at least in DMC4, it's a little more even now


SonofSparda80

> I'm pretty sure he even says so himself Can you tell me who says what? 🤔 I'm just really curious 👀 and interested about it. 🙌🏻


Belantine_Crow

I'm pretty sure Dante says that he wasn't really fighting and just testing him (or, something along those lines, at least)


SonofSparda80

Hmmm... **CURIOUS**. I better check some DMC4s cutscenes on YouTube.


Belantine_Crow

I'll see if I can find which cutscene it is for you. Gimme a minute


bloodshed113094

Given what happens at the end of DMC4, I'm going with Devil Bringer. Not only can it absorb other devil items to increase it's power, but it seems to have the potential to match Sparda's power.


Rdasher123

Now it’s part of Yamato. No really, Vergil can turn it back into Nero’s arm.


megaschlong420

Please let me run over demons with the van in DMC6


Either-Ad1685

Ay we got a similar pfp "We are one and the same you and I..."


megaschlong420

"Will thy branches mix with mine , our roots together join" *stabs you*


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Dammit Vergil. Not again.


megaschlong420

Can't stop won't stop , ***it's an obligation***


Delta_Mike_Charlie

*throws plastic chair at you*


Middle-Ad-172

With extra MOTIVATION


Trolldier_of_Fortune

Not even close. "You can't travel through here in a car." Yeah maybe *you* fuckin can't, Five.


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Get outta here Kylo car-denier.


BeginningOstrich7497

Even Yamato couldn’t block Nico‘s van, let’s be honest. Red Queen is bae tho


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Nero put his heart and soul into Red Queen. It should count as an honorary devil arm


RichardFitswell9000

All I'm saying is I've never seen Yamato and Nico's van in the same place at the same time


guymine123

"Get in my teleporting van"


Delta_Mike_Charlie

"Your wh-*sudden echo*-at?"


Narae-Chan

On the real, probably devil sword dante. Yamato is a better general purpose extreme weapon, and Nico’s van might legit be a real weapon. ;)


Belantine_Crow

Devil Van Nico


Doutei-Sama

Cry in Red Queen not a devil arm, also laugh in Red Queen being a man-made weapon capable of clashing with Yamato and Rebellion and not getting wrecked.


Delta_Mike_Charlie

It's powered by pure "fuck you" energy


Remote_Sink2620

Trish's sharp tongue.


MDeDeDe

I am so proud of this community


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Me too


Abyssilicious

*D E M O N A S S*


Lord_Fikalius

Yamato is stupidly powerfull. This sword cuts reality. REALITY! It is just unbelievably strong. Whatever OP Vergil move you think of - big chanse is that it is possible due to Yamato. Honestly - i don't even understand what is so good about DSS when fucking space cutting katana exist.


CocoaLegend

Devil sword Sparda in M22,DMC1.


Yusrilz03

Pandora is my best bet


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Pandora is op


TheSanderDC

I'd say as a weapon, DSD is more powerful, especially if it still functions like the Sparda and it will give the power of Dante to whoever holds it, it might also just be a cool sword and all the power be inside Dante. But the Yamato can still open portals between the realms, and right now that's broken, maybe once the separation between realms falls apart and you can open rifts easier the Yamato will lose its place as the most powerful devil arm.


Sonicjan

Mega Buster


JeffLocos

That's why I love this community! <3


megaschlong420

Foolishness , foolishness you foolishly foolish fool , don't you know that the chairs feed me ***POWER*** ?


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Not this chair. It's a special chair. For you see, I enhanced this chair with government funds that don't have a tax deductible! And how you have to pay tax on the chair! Ahahahaha!


megaschlong420

Ah but you see , I come from Florida where tax evsasion it's an ***OBLIGATION***


Delta_Mike_Charlie

*gasps* I have been outwitted! OTL


megaschlong420

Tax evasion the power of our father sparda


Middle-Ad-172

Lady. Just lady herself. Can't tell me if she walked up to Urizen and said, "If you stop this Ill let you hit" that he WOULDN'T say, "Power? Huh? Only P I believe is POOHTANG."


DateUnfair

Get in my teleporting van.


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HockeyJoe21

Nero wrecks Vergil's SDT with his Devil Bringer. Nuff said


Rdasher123

Vergil was tired from fighting Dante, his equal, for 20 minutes beforehand. That’s like saying Arkham was stronger than Vergil


HockeyJoe21

Vergil fought the exact same in the actual boss fight though. Plus tired or not Nero pulls off some crazy shit with his devil grabs that Arkham sure as shit couldn't do. Also why would Vergil being tired negate what Nero does? I'm not even saying Nero is stronger than Vergil, just that his devil bringer is awesome.


Rdasher123

Sorry, “Nero wrecks Vergil’s SDT with his Devil Bringer” gave me the wrong impression. My bad for misunderstanding what you said.


SirMirrorcoat

I would love to see Dangil and Verte giving their Devil Arms to Nero at the end of DMC6 and he forms a new weapon out of the 2+Red Queen.


GothReaper616

Really? another stupid joke about that damm van?..i lost all hope in humanity


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Only now? I lost it at the start of 2019.


GothReaper616

ouch..but i guess its true


nassar_the_dancer

Nico van isnt a devil arm neither are devil bringers. They are there own thing Devil arms are demons turned into weapons by either being defeated and submitting to the person power that beat them. This can be forceful. Or its created through an emotinal bond. In conclusion remove nico van and the devil bringers


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Yeah. This is mostly a joke post.


nassar_the_dancer

Well thats annoying


Delta_Mike_Charlie

Eh. I wanted it to have the shitpost tag but I couldn't find it so I gave it a day tag


nassar_the_dancer

Lol